UPDATE: Council pulls plug on bus station scheme - clearing the way for £50m West Central leisure scheme

UPDATE: Council pulls plug on bus station scheme - clearing the way for £50m West Central leisure scheme

How the West Central scheme could look

Exeter Road car park

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BOURNEMOUTH council is set to abandon plans to build a bus station in the town centre.

Cabinet members will be asked next week to halt attempts to compulsorily purchase the NCP car park site on Exeter Road.

The move will pave the way for developers Licet to go ahead with its £50m West Central leisure scheme of cinemas, shops and restaurants, which already has planning consent.

The Odeon cinema group announced last year that it would be the anchor tenant after pulling out of a rival scheme near the Pavilion.

Licet has said Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Pezzo and TGI Friday’s are all confirmed for the development.

Earlier this year, the council insisted it would not back down over its plan to compulsorily purchase the site for a bus hub, and accused Licet of being “aggressive” over its determination to go ahead.

But it emerged yesterday that council officials had been in negotiation with Legal and General (Leisure), which is funding the scheme.

The move will give Licet a year to seek planning permission for changes to the plan and make “significant progress on site.”

The council says it wants design improvements and better landscaping.

This agreement would also see the council paid £200,000 for the part of Exeter Crescent adjacent to the West Central development site, £45,000 to improve bus facilities in Gervis Place and £55,000 (50 per cent) towards the costs incurred so far by the council in the CPO process. If the West Central development did not make sufficient progress within a year, the council would have first refusal on purchasing the site.

Council leader Cllr John Beesley said: “We very much welcome the agreement to financially support the council in improving passenger facilities in Gervis Place, which we know can be a difficult area for pedestrians. Reducing the impact of heavy congestion so close to Bournemouth’s wonderful listed gardens remains a priority for the council and my hope is that the plans we can draw up and implement with this funding will go some way to tackling that.”

He said the scheme which was granted permission was largely similar in design to one agreed in 2006.

“We expressed our concerns about the negative impact that the building would have on the Lower Gardens, and are very pleased that we have achieved agreement to make modifications to the building design in order to mitigate the worst effects of the development on one of the town’s most prized assets,” he said.

Andrew Ferguson, of Legal and General added: “I am pleased that we have been able to agree a way forward for this cinema development, which we have agreed to fund. Legal and General see Bournemouth as a vibrant, thriving town and we want to be a part of its success for many years to come.”

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8:42am Fri 18 Jul 14

High Treason says...

Meanwhile the roads become more congested with cars and no vision on a bus station will ensure we get total gridlock.
Meanwhile the roads become more congested with cars and no vision on a bus station will ensure we get total gridlock. High Treason
  • Score: 52

8:48am Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

In one story the council want us to use public transport because of gridlocked roads, in this story the council takes that away from everyone by rejecting a town center bus station, am I being cynical or is this decision driven more by the money the council rakes in rather than making it easier for people to use the bus.
In one story the council want us to use public transport because of gridlocked roads, in this story the council takes that away from everyone by rejecting a town center bus station, am I being cynical or is this decision driven more by the money the council rakes in rather than making it easier for people to use the bus. Hessenford
  • Score: 60

8:56am Fri 18 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Once again,the Council were given the wrong advice in attempting to compulsory purchase the site.

Whoever is giving this advice,clearly has a risk free appointment.

Dream job!!!
Once again,the Council were given the wrong advice in attempting to compulsory purchase the site. Whoever is giving this advice,clearly has a risk free appointment. Dream job!!! BIGTONE
  • Score: 35

9:06am Fri 18 Jul 14

MrPitiful says...

There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein. MrPitiful
  • Score: 7

9:22am Fri 18 Jul 14

Kiki1973 says...

MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
Absolutely agree, we need progereesion and forward thinking and you're right, this isn't the best place for a hub and would require a huge amount of investment to restructure the roads, lights, the flow from the roundabout, etc in order to allow a continuous flow of busses *and* cars. We need a better cinema, so all behind that, the others are dated, and their old space can be used for different purpose. I do hope the new facility will have some things we don't have already ; i suspect we're the only town in Briatain without a Jamie's Italian, which would be quite nice.... and some upscale shops would be nice (I'm frowning at you, Poundland). This, along with the two hotels is a big opportunity to make a huge leap forward for the town and drag it out of the dark ages of being a sleepy seaside town. This is al part of a bigger vision, which I, for one, really welcome.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree, we need progereesion and forward thinking and you're right, this isn't the best place for a hub and would require a huge amount of investment to restructure the roads, lights, the flow from the roundabout, etc in order to allow a continuous flow of busses *and* cars. We need a better cinema, so all behind that, the others are dated, and their old space can be used for different purpose. I do hope the new facility will have some things we don't have already ; i suspect we're the only town in Briatain without a Jamie's Italian, which would be quite nice.... and some upscale shops would be nice (I'm frowning at you, Poundland). This, along with the two hotels is a big opportunity to make a huge leap forward for the town and drag it out of the dark ages of being a sleepy seaside town. This is al part of a bigger vision, which I, for one, really welcome. Kiki1973
  • Score: 5

9:30am Fri 18 Jul 14

TheDistrict says...

Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill.

The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot.

It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.
Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill. The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot. It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels. TheDistrict
  • Score: 12

9:36am Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days. Hessenford
  • Score: 19

9:36am Fri 18 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Thinking this because they didn't get the money they were expecting as part of the Three Towns thing
Thinking this because they didn't get the money they were expecting as part of the Three Towns thing bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 7

9:51am Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill? speedy231278
  • Score: 11

9:57am Fri 18 Jul 14

MrEdge says...

Woohoo! Something to liven the town up and bring in more tourists and shoppers!
Woohoo! Something to liven the town up and bring in more tourists and shoppers! MrEdge
  • Score: 0

9:58am Fri 18 Jul 14

MrEdge says...

Also, for the sake of irony, I hope that one of the screens in this new cinema is an IMAX screen.
Also, for the sake of irony, I hope that one of the screens in this new cinema is an IMAX screen. MrEdge
  • Score: 21

10:00am Fri 18 Jul 14

GaryC67 says...

How about converting the top level of the Richmond Gardens car park to be the town centre bus hub. Use Westover road & the Triangle as just normal bus stops. Pedestrianise Gervis Place. Re-prolife Dean Park Crescent to allow buses access to the car park. Install new lifts/escalators in the car park, Job done!
How about converting the top level of the Richmond Gardens car park to be the town centre bus hub. Use Westover road & the Triangle as just normal bus stops. Pedestrianise Gervis Place. Re-prolife Dean Park Crescent to allow buses access to the car park. Install new lifts/escalators in the car park, Job done! GaryC67
  • Score: 18

10:06am Fri 18 Jul 14

skydriver says...

That's the problem with councillors who don't have a brain between them.
Short sighted, pointless overpaid part timers who have had very little ,if any training to ruin the towns they run. It's almost time for central government to start running towns, let's facet they couldn't do any worse.
That's the problem with councillors who don't have a brain between them. Short sighted, pointless overpaid part timers who have had very little ,if any training to ruin the towns they run. It's almost time for central government to start running towns, let's facet they couldn't do any worse. skydriver
  • Score: 27

10:07am Fri 18 Jul 14

Holdenhurst says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
It's been converted into offices.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]It's been converted into offices. Holdenhurst
  • Score: 6

10:15am Fri 18 Jul 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Brilliant news at last for Bournemouth ,coupled with other projects in the pipeline this town will once again have something to be really proud of and I'm pretty confident the usual anti progress brigade commenting on here do not venture that far in the world anyway so probably have no idea what the town centre looks like
Brilliant news at last for Bournemouth ,coupled with other projects in the pipeline this town will once again have something to be really proud of and I'm pretty confident the usual anti progress brigade commenting on here do not venture that far in the world anyway so probably have no idea what the town centre looks like nosuchluck54
  • Score: -4

10:19am Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

skydriver wrote:
That's the problem with councillors who don't have a brain between them.
Short sighted, pointless overpaid part timers who have had very little ,if any training to ruin the towns they run. It's almost time for central government to start running towns, let's facet they couldn't do any worse.
Couldn't agree more, the last 30 years have seen Bournemouth reduced to a fraction of what it once was because of interfering meddling pen pushers who have no training what so ever in how to improve our town, far from improving they have totally ruined it.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: That's the problem with councillors who don't have a brain between them. Short sighted, pointless overpaid part timers who have had very little ,if any training to ruin the towns they run. It's almost time for central government to start running towns, let's facet they couldn't do any worse.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more, the last 30 years have seen Bournemouth reduced to a fraction of what it once was because of interfering meddling pen pushers who have no training what so ever in how to improve our town, far from improving they have totally ruined it. Hessenford
  • Score: 31

10:19am Fri 18 Jul 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

If only Poole council would knock down Poole's disgusting bus station.

It really is the most pressing thing for them to do. It is a filthy eyesore that makes the town look bad. Embarrassing, gaudy mural, filthy, squalid and dingy.

Poole council should compulsory purchase it, demolish and put a bus station near to the train station. It really wouldn't be that difficult but they are excuse merchants.
If only Poole council would knock down Poole's disgusting bus station. It really is the most pressing thing for them to do. It is a filthy eyesore that makes the town look bad. Embarrassing, gaudy mural, filthy, squalid and dingy. Poole council should compulsory purchase it, demolish and put a bus station near to the train station. It really wouldn't be that difficult but they are excuse merchants. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 30

10:33am Fri 18 Jul 14

oldharryrocks! says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill.

The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot.

It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.
who arrives on holiday on a bus these days? Cliff Richard?????
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill. The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot. It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.[/p][/quote]who arrives on holiday on a bus these days? Cliff Richard????? oldharryrocks!
  • Score: 24

10:39am Fri 18 Jul 14

peopleareidiots says...

How about a nice new Ice rink?
How about a nice new Ice rink? peopleareidiots
  • Score: -5

10:40am Fri 18 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly.

I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month.

If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars!
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly. I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month. If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars! rozmister
  • Score: 14

10:59am Fri 18 Jul 14

Northwoods says...

rozmister wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly.

I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month.

If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars!
What were you running; a 20 year old Range Rover?? I pay £20 per year for tax, my last service and MOT was a combined total £50, and I spend an average of £40 a month for diesel to commute to work (10-mile round trip). Typical for a small run-around.

I'm sorry, but bus company's are regularly in the news for generating massive profits. Funny how they always cite increases in fuel costs to raise ticket prices but then don't lower them when the costs go down. Public transport is a rip-off in this country.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly. I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month. If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars![/p][/quote]What were you running; a 20 year old Range Rover?? I pay £20 per year for tax, my last service and MOT was a combined total £50, and I spend an average of £40 a month for diesel to commute to work (10-mile round trip). Typical for a small run-around. I'm sorry, but bus company's are regularly in the news for generating massive profits. Funny how they always cite increases in fuel costs to raise ticket prices but then don't lower them when the costs go down. Public transport is a rip-off in this country. Northwoods
  • Score: 13

11:02am Fri 18 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus?

I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?
Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus? I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 14

11:02am Fri 18 Jul 14

Fingersonthem says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill.

The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot.

It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.
The old bus depot worked for people going into Dorset (County Gates onwards) Bournemouths residents had no call to use it to get home.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill. The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot. It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.[/p][/quote]The old bus depot worked for people going into Dorset (County Gates onwards) Bournemouths residents had no call to use it to get home. Fingersonthem
  • Score: 6

11:04am Fri 18 Jul 14

Top_Gear says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Nice exagerration there.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]Nice exagerration there. Top_Gear
  • Score: 1

11:27am Fri 18 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

Echo 27th January 2014 – “Bournemouth council ‘will not back down’ over West Central bus hub row”...... Beesley said “Our decisions are based on what is in the best interests of Bournemouth residents and our view is that this is the best and some may say only site that will deliver what’s required by a bus hub.”
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So once again Beelsey has failed to honour his word. The decision to abandon the bus station plan after he had so vehemently claimed that it would happen is a serious blow to his leadership and exposes him as being out of his depth and merely full of bluff and bluster but unable to deliver.
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I am so pleased to be leaving Bournemouth next week. I moved here 12 years ago and during that time have seen a whole raft of regeneration plans but not one of the major schemes has become a reality. All I have seen is an explosion in the building of student accommodation and retirement flats and the town centre and sea front descend on a downward spiral. House prices and rents have rocketed yet wages in Bournemouth are still low in comparison. Job opportunities for professionals and skilled workers are very limited and despite the Tories claiming to be the party of business they have done nothing to encourage the creation of well paid jobs in the town.
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Its such a shame because Bournemouth has the potential to be so much better than it is. But whilst the people of Bournemouth continue to vote as they do (or not at all) things are unlikely to improve.
Echo 27th January 2014 – “Bournemouth council ‘will not back down’ over West Central bus hub row”...... Beesley said “Our decisions are based on what is in the best interests of Bournemouth residents and our view is that this is the best and some may say only site that will deliver what’s required by a bus hub.” . So once again Beelsey has failed to honour his word. The decision to abandon the bus station plan after he had so vehemently claimed that it would happen is a serious blow to his leadership and exposes him as being out of his depth and merely full of bluff and bluster but unable to deliver. . I am so pleased to be leaving Bournemouth next week. I moved here 12 years ago and during that time have seen a whole raft of regeneration plans but not one of the major schemes has become a reality. All I have seen is an explosion in the building of student accommodation and retirement flats and the town centre and sea front descend on a downward spiral. House prices and rents have rocketed yet wages in Bournemouth are still low in comparison. Job opportunities for professionals and skilled workers are very limited and despite the Tories claiming to be the party of business they have done nothing to encourage the creation of well paid jobs in the town. . Its such a shame because Bournemouth has the potential to be so much better than it is. But whilst the people of Bournemouth continue to vote as they do (or not at all) things are unlikely to improve. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 37

11:49am Fri 18 Jul 14

greeneb says...

What a rubbish ideas Cinemas are declining due to big home screens and the rest will be a load of chain resturants and shops with no charachter.
Which largely benefit big coparations and not the people of Bournemouth. This highlights why we need an altenative to the self serving Tories
What a rubbish ideas Cinemas are declining due to big home screens and the rest will be a load of chain resturants and shops with no charachter. Which largely benefit big coparations and not the people of Bournemouth. This highlights why we need an altenative to the self serving Tories greeneb
  • Score: 23

11:52am Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Holdenhurst wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
It's been converted into offices.
So that just proves there is ZERO demand for more shops then!
[quote][p][bold]Holdenhurst[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]It's been converted into offices.[/p][/quote]So that just proves there is ZERO demand for more shops then! speedy231278
  • Score: 18

11:53am Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Top_Gear wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Nice exagerration there.
Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?
[quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]Nice exagerration there.[/p][/quote]Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently? speedy231278
  • Score: 13

12:37pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax. Ragwin
  • Score: -2

12:40pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BmthNewshound says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Top_Gear wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Nice exagerration there.
Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?
Simple reason for the number of empty shops is that rents in Bournemouth are disproportionately high in comparison to footfall and retail revenues. Then there is the whole issue of parking and general town centre shopping experience.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]Nice exagerration there.[/p][/quote]Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?[/p][/quote]Simple reason for the number of empty shops is that rents in Bournemouth are disproportionately high in comparison to footfall and retail revenues. Then there is the whole issue of parking and general town centre shopping experience. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 11

12:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

I cannot see much sense in building cinemas, shops and restaurants when the market trend is for watching movies on the internet and buying goods off the internet.

A tourist only facility perhaps. Might have been better if it was developed into an outdoor activity zone, but of course there isn't much revenue in that.
I cannot see much sense in building cinemas, shops and restaurants when the market trend is for watching movies on the internet and buying goods off the internet. A tourist only facility perhaps. Might have been better if it was developed into an outdoor activity zone, but of course there isn't much revenue in that. Ragwin
  • Score: 11

12:46pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Eddie's dog says...

Is there not an obvious disparity between a new bus station and ............ £45,000 to improve bus passenger facilities in nearby Gervis Place.
As the football anthem goes................
.They don't know what their doing...............
Is there not an obvious disparity between a new bus station and ............ £45,000 to improve bus passenger facilities in nearby Gervis Place. As the football anthem goes................ .They don't know what their doing............... Eddie's dog
  • Score: 11

12:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Evidently 'deals' have been done by the Town Hall and quite possibly that was the purpose of the Council's Bus Station initiative in the first place, because somehow it never seemed that this Council's interest in such a facility after nearly forty years could ever be more than a means to an end.

Meanwhile in Gervis Place as the hugely unpopular 'green' anti-motorist thee towns travel scheme seeks to herd even more of us back onto buses we await the next inevitable tragic accident............
Evidently 'deals' have been done by the Town Hall and quite possibly that was the purpose of the Council's Bus Station initiative in the first place, because somehow it never seemed that this Council's interest in such a facility after nearly forty years could ever be more than a means to an end. Meanwhile in Gervis Place as the hugely unpopular 'green' anti-motorist thee towns travel scheme seeks to herd even more of us back onto buses we await the next inevitable tragic accident............ muscliffman
  • Score: 12

12:53pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Markmag says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Top_Gear wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Nice exagerration there.
Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?
Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade, St Peter's Quarter - Every single one of those sites is more successful now then they were 15 / 25 / 35 years ago. You've sort of destroyed your own point.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]Nice exagerration there.[/p][/quote]Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?[/p][/quote]Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade, St Peter's Quarter - Every single one of those sites is more successful now then they were 15 / 25 / 35 years ago. You've sort of destroyed your own point. Markmag
  • Score: -8

1:05pm Fri 18 Jul 14

MngsMnr says...

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  • Score: -4

1:08pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Ragwin wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.
But more convenient, ever tried getting a weeks shopping home by bus, to do ten miles by bus would cost around £4 to £5 each way for one person, I can carry 5 people in my car, 5 people on a bus would cost around £50, £6.50 for a ten mile journey for 5 people, think I'll stick with the car.
[quote][p][bold]Ragwin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.[/p][/quote]But more convenient, ever tried getting a weeks shopping home by bus, to do ten miles by bus would cost around £4 to £5 each way for one person, I can carry 5 people in my car, 5 people on a bus would cost around £50, £6.50 for a ten mile journey for 5 people, think I'll stick with the car. Hessenford
  • Score: 9

1:12pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Phixer says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Echo 27th January 2014 – “Bournemouth council ‘will not back down’ over West Central bus hub row”...... Beesley said “Our decisions are based on what is in the best interests of Bournemouth residents and our view is that this is the best and some may say only site that will deliver what’s required by a bus hub.”
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So once again Beelsey has failed to honour his word. The decision to abandon the bus station plan after he had so vehemently claimed that it would happen is a serious blow to his leadership and exposes him as being out of his depth and merely full of bluff and bluster but unable to deliver.
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I am so pleased to be leaving Bournemouth next week. I moved here 12 years ago and during that time have seen a whole raft of regeneration plans but not one of the major schemes has become a reality. All I have seen is an explosion in the building of student accommodation and retirement flats and the town centre and sea front descend on a downward spiral. House prices and rents have rocketed yet wages in Bournemouth are still low in comparison. Job opportunities for professionals and skilled workers are very limited and despite the Tories claiming to be the party of business they have done nothing to encourage the creation of well paid jobs in the town.
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Its such a shame because Bournemouth has the potential to be so much better than it is. But whilst the people of Bournemouth continue to vote as they do (or not at all) things are unlikely to improve.
You won't be missed. More room for the rest of us. Bye!!
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Echo 27th January 2014 – “Bournemouth council ‘will not back down’ over West Central bus hub row”...... Beesley said “Our decisions are based on what is in the best interests of Bournemouth residents and our view is that this is the best and some may say only site that will deliver what’s required by a bus hub.” . So once again Beelsey has failed to honour his word. The decision to abandon the bus station plan after he had so vehemently claimed that it would happen is a serious blow to his leadership and exposes him as being out of his depth and merely full of bluff and bluster but unable to deliver. . I am so pleased to be leaving Bournemouth next week. I moved here 12 years ago and during that time have seen a whole raft of regeneration plans but not one of the major schemes has become a reality. All I have seen is an explosion in the building of student accommodation and retirement flats and the town centre and sea front descend on a downward spiral. House prices and rents have rocketed yet wages in Bournemouth are still low in comparison. Job opportunities for professionals and skilled workers are very limited and despite the Tories claiming to be the party of business they have done nothing to encourage the creation of well paid jobs in the town. . Its such a shame because Bournemouth has the potential to be so much better than it is. But whilst the people of Bournemouth continue to vote as they do (or not at all) things are unlikely to improve.[/p][/quote]You won't be missed. More room for the rest of us. Bye!! Phixer
  • Score: -16

1:17pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Phixer says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus?

I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?
Parking is not a problem if you are a family staying in a hotel in town. Isn't that the point? A facility for visitors to use when the weather is not so kind.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus? I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?[/p][/quote]Parking is not a problem if you are a family staying in a hotel in town. Isn't that the point? A facility for visitors to use when the weather is not so kind. Phixer
  • Score: 1

1:39pm Fri 18 Jul 14

The Liberal says...

Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Isn't that due to the huge increase in fuel prices, though? Petrol cost about 7.5p per litre in 1971. (I realise that most buses run on diesel, but the level of inflation must be about the same since then.)
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Isn't that due to the huge increase in fuel prices, though? Petrol cost about 7.5p per litre in 1971. (I realise that most buses run on diesel, but the level of inflation must be about the same since then.) The Liberal
  • Score: -2

2:47pm Fri 18 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Fingersonthem wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill.

The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot.

It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.
The old bus depot worked for people going into Dorset (County Gates onwards) Bournemouths residents had no call to use it to get home.
A very good point missed completely by many who would not recall.

Local Bournemouth buses never used the old Exeter Road Bus Station, only the Poole and longer distance rural bus routes used it. For the north-west and east of Bournemouth and for Christchurch it was Gervis Place, for the central and northern Bournemouth suburbs it was Avenue Road and for the south western suburbs it was Bourne Avenue.

Today because of the closure of the Bus Station and pedestrianisation we have the whole lot dangerously jammed together near impossibly trying to work in and out of one small road - Gervis Place!
[quote][p][bold]Fingersonthem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill. The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot. It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.[/p][/quote]The old bus depot worked for people going into Dorset (County Gates onwards) Bournemouths residents had no call to use it to get home.[/p][/quote]A very good point missed completely by many who would not recall. Local Bournemouth buses never used the old Exeter Road Bus Station, only the Poole and longer distance rural bus routes used it. For the north-west and east of Bournemouth and for Christchurch it was Gervis Place, for the central and northern Bournemouth suburbs it was Avenue Road and for the south western suburbs it was Bourne Avenue. Today because of the closure of the Bus Station and pedestrianisation we have the whole lot dangerously jammed together near impossibly trying to work in and out of one small road - Gervis Place! muscliffman
  • Score: 6

2:56pm Fri 18 Jul 14

rozmister says...

Northwoods wrote:
rozmister wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly.

I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month.

If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars!
What were you running; a 20 year old Range Rover?? I pay £20 per year for tax, my last service and MOT was a combined total £50, and I spend an average of £40 a month for diesel to commute to work (10-mile round trip). Typical for a small run-around.

I'm sorry, but bus company's are regularly in the news for generating massive profits. Funny how they always cite increases in fuel costs to raise ticket prices but then don't lower them when the costs go down. Public transport is a rip-off in this country.
An 8 year old matiz. I'm guessing from your tax you have an extremely modern/eco friendly car because an older petrol car would never be that cheap. It probably also explains why your diesel costs are low and your MOT doesn't lead to loads of expensive repairs!
[quote][p][bold]Northwoods[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly. I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month. If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars![/p][/quote]What were you running; a 20 year old Range Rover?? I pay £20 per year for tax, my last service and MOT was a combined total £50, and I spend an average of £40 a month for diesel to commute to work (10-mile round trip). Typical for a small run-around. I'm sorry, but bus company's are regularly in the news for generating massive profits. Funny how they always cite increases in fuel costs to raise ticket prices but then don't lower them when the costs go down. Public transport is a rip-off in this country.[/p][/quote]An 8 year old matiz. I'm guessing from your tax you have an extremely modern/eco friendly car because an older petrol car would never be that cheap. It probably also explains why your diesel costs are low and your MOT doesn't lead to loads of expensive repairs! rozmister
  • Score: 3

2:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BarrHumbug says...

Phixer wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus?

I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?
Parking is not a problem if you are a family staying in a hotel in town. Isn't that the point? A facility for visitors to use when the weather is not so kind.
For a cinema or any attraction for that matter to be successful it needs to attract visitors all year round come rain or shine, not just families on holiday in the summer on days when its raining?
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus? I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?[/p][/quote]Parking is not a problem if you are a family staying in a hotel in town. Isn't that the point? A facility for visitors to use when the weather is not so kind.[/p][/quote]For a cinema or any attraction for that matter to be successful it needs to attract visitors all year round come rain or shine, not just families on holiday in the summer on days when its raining? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 7

3:04pm Fri 18 Jul 14

John T says...

Bournemouth Council has received £20 million in Government grant for 'sustainable travel' and now Beesley intends to fritter away a massive £45000 in improving passenger facilities in Gervis Place, a 'third world' transport hub, where a major accident is waiting to happen.
On yer bike, Beesley and head towards Gervis Place!
Bournemouth Council has received £20 million in Government grant for 'sustainable travel' and now Beesley intends to fritter away a massive £45000 in improving passenger facilities in Gervis Place, a 'third world' transport hub, where a major accident is waiting to happen. On yer bike, Beesley and head towards Gervis Place! John T
  • Score: 11

3:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.
Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -5

3:31pm Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Ragwin wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.
What are you putting in the fuel tank? Myrrh?
[quote][p][bold]Ragwin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.[/p][/quote]What are you putting in the fuel tank? Myrrh? speedy231278
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Markmag wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Top_Gear wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Nice exagerration there.
Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?
Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade, St Peter's Quarter - Every single one of those sites is more successful now then they were 15 / 25 / 35 years ago. You've sort of destroyed your own point.
Really? Then how come they've all got multiple empty units, and have had for many years? The only thing that go in most of the empty spaces are the so-called 'pop-up' shops that are there for a few months at most.
[quote][p][bold]Markmag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]Nice exagerration there.[/p][/quote]Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?[/p][/quote]Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade, St Peter's Quarter - Every single one of those sites is more successful now then they were 15 / 25 / 35 years ago. You've sort of destroyed your own point.[/p][/quote]Really? Then how come they've all got multiple empty units, and have had for many years? The only thing that go in most of the empty spaces are the so-called 'pop-up' shops that are there for a few months at most. speedy231278
  • Score: 7

3:35pm Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Top_Gear wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?
Nice exagerration there.
Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?
Simple reason for the number of empty shops is that rents in Bournemouth are disproportionately high in comparison to footfall and retail revenues. Then there is the whole issue of parking and general town centre shopping experience.
Correct. According to an Ohec article a couple of years ago, the empty Dorothy Perkins in the bottom of Roddis House would set back the lessee a whisker over £300K a year in rent and rates. Oddly enough, it is still empty now, as are the former La Senza and Jessops stores in the same building.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Who is going to occupy these shops when half of the ones in town are already empty? Did anything ever go in at that new development by Commercial Road/Poole Hill?[/p][/quote]Nice exagerration there.[/p][/quote]Have you been to the Dalkeith Arcade, Burlington Arcade or St Peter's Quarter recently?[/p][/quote]Simple reason for the number of empty shops is that rents in Bournemouth are disproportionately high in comparison to footfall and retail revenues. Then there is the whole issue of parking and general town centre shopping experience.[/p][/quote]Correct. According to an Ohec article a couple of years ago, the empty Dorothy Perkins in the bottom of Roddis House would set back the lessee a whisker over £300K a year in rent and rates. Oddly enough, it is still empty now, as are the former La Senza and Jessops stores in the same building. speedy231278
  • Score: 7

4:14pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Richard 1976 says...

I'd be quite happy for either a bus station or cinema. That corner of town looks a pigs ear..and has done for an embarrassingly long time. Let's see where we are in ten years time.. Imax.. Still an open performance area, winter gardens.. Still a car park, bus station .. Still a car park, winterbourne hotel site, still derelict. Couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery
I'd be quite happy for either a bus station or cinema. That corner of town looks a pigs ear..and has done for an embarrassingly long time. Let's see where we are in ten years time.. Imax.. Still an open performance area, winter gardens.. Still a car park, bus station .. Still a car park, winterbourne hotel site, still derelict. Couldn't organise a p*** up in a brewery Richard 1976
  • Score: 7

4:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Diesel Dog says...

The old bus station which burnt down was brilliant. Why wasn't it replaced?
Bournemouth station is out of the way no wonder there are so many taxis queueing, extra expense for day trippers and useless for shopping, trips to the beach, Come on council do something long term which involves arriving in Bournemouth without changing transport 3 times to arrive where you want to be without having to spend an extra tenner.
The old bus station which burnt down was brilliant. Why wasn't it replaced? Bournemouth station is out of the way no wonder there are so many taxis queueing, extra expense for day trippers and useless for shopping, trips to the beach, Come on council do something long term which involves arriving in Bournemouth without changing transport 3 times to arrive where you want to be without having to spend an extra tenner. Diesel Dog
  • Score: 10

4:24pm Fri 18 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus?

I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?
BMTH council wil turn the old cinema in Westover road into a drug rehab ,Next to the YMCA.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus? I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?[/p][/quote]BMTH council wil turn the old cinema in Westover road into a drug rehab ,Next to the YMCA. cromwell9
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Fri 18 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

Ragwin wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.
I have a Vauxhall Ampera .All electric .With a back up petrol generater after 50 miles,
How many miles does the average person drive in a day 20 miles .
This is a fantastic car .It cost about £1 to charge it up in 2hrs on a 13amp plug,
The petrol generater instantly cuts in while driving,You drive on all Elactric.
Its NOT a hybred,O to 60 in 5 sec,Its a rocket machine,Up to 250 miles per generater gallon.NO road tax .No London charge .Cheap on insuranceIt has three Modes. Normal /Sport /Mountain.
Your not driving that old 1880 internal combustion engine are you .
Look the car up on GOOLE.It will blow your mind. .
[quote][p][bold]Ragwin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]A modern car costs about 65p a mile to run. £6.50 for a 10 mile journey. That includes the cost of the vehicle (depreciation), maintenance, insurance, fuel and tax.[/p][/quote]I have a Vauxhall Ampera .All electric .With a back up petrol generater after 50 miles, How many miles does the average person drive in a day 20 miles . This is a fantastic car .It cost about £1 to charge it up in 2hrs on a 13amp plug, The petrol generater instantly cuts in while driving,You drive on all Elactric. Its NOT a hybred,O to 60 in 5 sec,Its a rocket machine,Up to 250 miles per generater gallon.NO road tax .No London charge .Cheap on insuranceIt has three Modes. Normal /Sport /Mountain. Your not driving that old 1880 internal combustion engine are you . Look the car up on GOOLE.It will blow your mind. . cromwell9
  • Score: -1

4:52pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Kiki1973 says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus? I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?
I think this design had underground parking? Not positive, but I think so! :)
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Great news, look forward to it. The only problem though is parking, for me I can just as easily get to Tower Park to go to the cinema and get something to eat and it costs me nothing to park there, so why should I want to go to Bournemouth and pay a £1+ an hour, or £3+ to use the bus? I think the council should now turn its attention to planning what to do with the existing cinema's in Westover road? These will be empty once the Odeon moves out and it would be nice if the council started planning for what to put in its place rather than it being left empty for years like the Ice Rink was?[/p][/quote]I think this design had underground parking? Not positive, but I think so! :) Kiki1973
  • Score: -1

6:24pm Fri 18 Jul 14

ShuttleX says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Once again,the Council were given the wrong advice in attempting to compulsory purchase the site.

Whoever is giving this advice,clearly has a risk free appointment.

Dream job!!!
Actually the Council were told from day one that it would be a risky business to try for a CPO, but guess who thought he knew best and tried railroading it though anyway? L&G pretty much told the Council that they would not allow it without a fight, and that was going to cost us a fortune in legal costs, with only a 25% chance of winning. Then the cost of buying the land would have run to around £1.5 million after all interested parties were paid off, may be even more if they took it to Court. No matter what you say Mr Beesely, you have just had your butt handed to you by L&G. Hopefully those Councillors you were having a fight with over this will now grow a pair and challenge you more often. Just in case you have forgotten, this is OUR town, not yours. You work for us, not the other way round.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Once again,the Council were given the wrong advice in attempting to compulsory purchase the site. Whoever is giving this advice,clearly has a risk free appointment. Dream job!!![/p][/quote]Actually the Council were told from day one that it would be a risky business to try for a CPO, but guess who thought he knew best and tried railroading it though anyway? L&G pretty much told the Council that they would not allow it without a fight, and that was going to cost us a fortune in legal costs, with only a 25% chance of winning. Then the cost of buying the land would have run to around £1.5 million after all interested parties were paid off, may be even more if they took it to Court. No matter what you say Mr Beesely, you have just had your butt handed to you by L&G. Hopefully those Councillors you were having a fight with over this will now grow a pair and challenge you more often. Just in case you have forgotten, this is OUR town, not yours. You work for us, not the other way round. ShuttleX
  • Score: 8

6:31pm Fri 18 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

CINEMAS AGAIN????? OMFG.
.
This town is full of Andys from Little Britain. 'I want that one', 'Cinema', 'Cinema' grunts seems to be the extent of this towns imagination.
.
If I never hear the word cinema again it'll be too soon. No wonder the rest of the country still thinks of Bmth as God's waiting room.
CINEMAS AGAIN????? OMFG. . This town is full of Andys from Little Britain. 'I want that one', 'Cinema', 'Cinema' grunts seems to be the extent of this towns imagination. . If I never hear the word cinema again it'll be too soon. No wonder the rest of the country still thinks of Bmth as God's waiting room. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 9

7:20pm Fri 18 Jul 14

misplacedspaniard says...

Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Ahhhh but in the good ol days oap bus passes didn't exist so paying passengers paid less. The fares are so extortionate now to make up the shortfall of the oap passes
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh but in the good ol days oap bus passes didn't exist so paying passengers paid less. The fares are so extortionate now to make up the shortfall of the oap passes misplacedspaniard
  • Score: -3

9:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

JemBmth says...

Shame about Bmth town centre now. I used to use it all the time for shopping but the parking is soooo expensive. I paid £3.20 for just over an hour in Avenue Road yesterday. On top of that you have to dodge the Big Issue sellers and the shops have nothing special to offer. I even ventured to the Dolphin Centre in Poole the other day and I used to hate it but it's much better than Bmth now.
Shame about Bmth town centre now. I used to use it all the time for shopping but the parking is soooo expensive. I paid £3.20 for just over an hour in Avenue Road yesterday. On top of that you have to dodge the Big Issue sellers and the shops have nothing special to offer. I even ventured to the Dolphin Centre in Poole the other day and I used to hate it but it's much better than Bmth now. JemBmth
  • Score: 4

9:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.
Anyone ?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.[/p][/quote]Anyone ? Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -1

9:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

retry69 says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.
Anyone ?
Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.[/p][/quote]Anyone ?[/p][/quote]Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex. retry69
  • Score: 2

10:09pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

retry69 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.
Anyone ?
Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.
Thankyou, Its rather far, i was hoping to BOOOOOOST the local economy.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.[/p][/quote]Anyone ?[/p][/quote]Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.[/p][/quote]Thankyou, Its rather far, i was hoping to BOOOOOOST the local economy. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 0

12:39am Sat 19 Jul 14

wadjit says...

greeneb wrote:
What a rubbish ideas Cinemas are declining due to big home screens and the rest will be a load of chain resturants and shops with no charachter.
Which largely benefit big coparations and not the people of Bournemouth. This highlights why we need an altenative to the self serving Tories
Your ideas please.
[quote][p][bold]greeneb[/bold] wrote: What a rubbish ideas Cinemas are declining due to big home screens and the rest will be a load of chain resturants and shops with no charachter. Which largely benefit big coparations and not the people of Bournemouth. This highlights why we need an altenative to the self serving Tories[/p][/quote]Your ideas please. wadjit
  • Score: 0

5:53am Sat 19 Jul 14

retry69 says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.
Anyone ?
Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.
Thankyou, Its rather far, i was hoping to BOOOOOOST the local economy.
RATHER FAR ! Because you are Lording it round Beachy Head I thought it would be right on your doorstep :)
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.[/p][/quote]Anyone ?[/p][/quote]Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.[/p][/quote]Thankyou, Its rather far, i was hoping to BOOOOOOST the local economy.[/p][/quote]RATHER FAR ! Because you are Lording it round Beachy Head I thought it would be right on your doorstep :) retry69
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7:23am Sat 19 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.
Anyone ?
Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.
Thankyou, Its rather far, i was hoping to BOOOOOOST the local economy.
RATHER FAR ! Because you are Lording it round Beachy Head I thought it would be right on your doorstep :)
Who is Lording it, not some knight who has lost his shirt and now has a short back and sides.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know of a T shirt printing shop in the area, the one near The Litten Tree is now a barbers.[/p][/quote]Anyone ?[/p][/quote]Yep glad to be of service.Cliff Top Walk,East Sussex.[/p][/quote]Thankyou, Its rather far, i was hoping to BOOOOOOST the local economy.[/p][/quote]RATHER FAR ! Because you are Lording it round Beachy Head I thought it would be right on your doorstep :)[/p][/quote]Who is Lording it, not some knight who has lost his shirt and now has a short back and sides. Lord Spring
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9:23am Sat 19 Jul 14

Lord Spring says...

muscliffman wrote:
Fingersonthem wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill.

The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot.

It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.
The old bus depot worked for people going into Dorset (County Gates onwards) Bournemouths residents had no call to use it to get home.
A very good point missed completely by many who would not recall.

Local Bournemouth buses never used the old Exeter Road Bus Station, only the Poole and longer distance rural bus routes used it. For the north-west and east of Bournemouth and for Christchurch it was Gervis Place, for the central and northern Bournemouth suburbs it was Avenue Road and for the south western suburbs it was Bourne Avenue.

Today because of the closure of the Bus Station and pedestrianisation we have the whole lot dangerously jammed together near impossibly trying to work in and out of one small road - Gervis Place!
And how we miss those diesel fumes of H&D busses going up Commercial Road, talk about turning the air blue.
Yes Fingersonthem has a valid point well done my Acker.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fingersonthem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Yet another Beesley Backdown, another Beesley Balls Up. We do not want another development of shops, cinemas, etc, as is planned for the Winter Garden location. This would mean two complexes in one area, this is what is classed as an over kill. The old Bus Depot did work, and worked perfectly. What would balls it up now is the way the pedestrian walkways have closed the town off to through traffic. The new idea would work, and still keep the town centre as it is, and hopefully, converting Westover Road and Gervis Place into pedestrian walkways, with public transport using Bath and Exeter Road to enter and exit the depot. It certainly would be better for visitors to the town, rather than having to trapse from the filthy, tramp ridden interchange. The new hub would be more centralised to the town centre, beaches and of course hotels.[/p][/quote]The old bus depot worked for people going into Dorset (County Gates onwards) Bournemouths residents had no call to use it to get home.[/p][/quote]A very good point missed completely by many who would not recall. Local Bournemouth buses never used the old Exeter Road Bus Station, only the Poole and longer distance rural bus routes used it. For the north-west and east of Bournemouth and for Christchurch it was Gervis Place, for the central and northern Bournemouth suburbs it was Avenue Road and for the south western suburbs it was Bourne Avenue. Today because of the closure of the Bus Station and pedestrianisation we have the whole lot dangerously jammed together near impossibly trying to work in and out of one small road - Gervis Place![/p][/quote]And how we miss those diesel fumes of H&D busses going up Commercial Road, talk about turning the air blue. Yes Fingersonthem has a valid point well done my Acker. Lord Spring
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10:13am Sat 19 Jul 14

Townee says...

rozmister wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly.

I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month.

If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars!
Buses might be cheaper but not so convenient. The bus doesn't stop outside your house at the time you want it, you have to stand in the freezing rain in the hope you haven't missed the bus and pay a lot more than you did years ago. It might be ok for pensioners who get a free bus pass, buses serve a purpose but in modern times the bus is only for people who can't afford to run a car or don't want to pay daily parking fees if they work in the town centre.
I for one am feed up with this council trying to bring in schemes that stop cars coming to town. More cycle lanes for those who don't pay towards our road ( before anyone says I pay my taxes, so do I and I pay to drive my car). Roads that ban cars but allow buses and taxis to use our roads. I can understand having bus lanes but why are taxis allowed to use them? This is one of my pet subjects, taxi now blot our streets when they are not being used, near where I live there must be several operators who have several licences and let drivers use the taxi but when not used there can be up to 5 taxis just park in a residential road.
[quote][p][bold]rozmister[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Buses are definitely cheaper than a car if you travel regularly. I ran a 1l car until about a year ago. My insurance was £40 per month, my tax and MOT were about £20 a month and I put aside £20+ a month for repairs. Plus the £60 - £100 a month I spent on petrol to put in it made a total of £160 - £200 per month. Now I have a bus pass to travel all around the borough & into Poole and it costs me £52 per month. If you need to travel regularly buses are definitely cheaper than cars![/p][/quote]Buses might be cheaper but not so convenient. The bus doesn't stop outside your house at the time you want it, you have to stand in the freezing rain in the hope you haven't missed the bus and pay a lot more than you did years ago. It might be ok for pensioners who get a free bus pass, buses serve a purpose but in modern times the bus is only for people who can't afford to run a car or don't want to pay daily parking fees if they work in the town centre. I for one am feed up with this council trying to bring in schemes that stop cars coming to town. More cycle lanes for those who don't pay towards our road ( before anyone says I pay my taxes, so do I and I pay to drive my car). Roads that ban cars but allow buses and taxis to use our roads. I can understand having bus lanes but why are taxis allowed to use them? This is one of my pet subjects, taxi now blot our streets when they are not being used, near where I live there must be several operators who have several licences and let drivers use the taxi but when not used there can be up to 5 taxis just park in a residential road. Townee
  • Score: -1

1:33pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I don't live there, I live here, for now.
I don't live there, I live here, for now. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -1

8:04am Sun 20 Jul 14

Ashdevra42 says...

£45,000 is probably just enough money to erect a single bus shelter - it's just a token gesture.
Cinemas are not in decline - it's just that nowadays cinema-goers demand a better experience and the two existing cinemas on Westover are simply rather minty - I would always prefer Tower Park.
Pedestrianise Gervis Place and relocate the bus terminus to the Triangle.
£45,000 is probably just enough money to erect a single bus shelter - it's just a token gesture. Cinemas are not in decline - it's just that nowadays cinema-goers demand a better experience and the two existing cinemas on Westover are simply rather minty - I would always prefer Tower Park. Pedestrianise Gervis Place and relocate the bus terminus to the Triangle. Ashdevra42
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5:22pm Sun 20 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

misplacedspaniard wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either.

It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days".

My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.
If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today.
The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today.
In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.
Ahhhh but in the good ol days oap bus passes didn't exist so paying passengers paid less. The fares are so extortionate now to make up the shortfall of the oap passes
The bus pass for the retired is not a give me freeby..
Because 80% of the retired do not have gold plated Public Secter Pentions.We have a bus pass to help support the pitance pention ..that we recieve.
The UK pention is the 2nd lowest in the EU.
I think a lot of people would like us to drop dead at 70,Dont worry it will catch up with you faster than you think.
It was our generation that put 50 yrs hard work in .So you younger people could reap the reward,.
For most of you a hard days work would kill you Thats why we had to get the Poles in ,because a lot of you are to lazy.
No I am not a bitter old man.We had the best times 1957-1977
The girls were great .Stockings/short skirts.We had a hard fantastic time.
Good luck mate .You are sure going to nead it.
[quote][p][bold]misplacedspaniard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: There are much better locations than this for a bus station around town anyway. It never worked well many years ago and now road use, bus use and people's travel habits have changed, it wouldn't work well nowadays either. It is a prime site in the town centre and it should be developed with progression and change in mind. It's good to see we are still not trying to peg Bournemouthback to the "Good ol' days". My only hesitance is what they will put there instead. The West Central leisure scheme looks good on paper but careful consideration needs to be given to the types of businesses they include therein.[/p][/quote]If Bournemouth was pegged back to the "good ol' days" as you put it then perhaps it wouldn't be in such a state that its in today. The reason we don't use buses any more is down to the extortionate fares which are charged these days, its cheaper to use the car rather than public transport today. In 1971 it cost one shilling and tuppence to travel by bus from Bear cross to Bournemouth, equivalent to around 60p in 2013, the same journey now cost in excess of £2.30p, is it any wonder the roads are gridlocked with cars, yep, please bring back the good old days.[/p][/quote]Ahhhh but in the good ol days oap bus passes didn't exist so paying passengers paid less. The fares are so extortionate now to make up the shortfall of the oap passes[/p][/quote]The bus pass for the retired is not a give me freeby.. Because 80% of the retired do not have gold plated Public Secter Pentions.We have a bus pass to help support the pitance pention ..that we recieve. The UK pention is the 2nd lowest in the EU. I think a lot of people would like us to drop dead at 70,Dont worry it will catch up with you faster than you think. It was our generation that put 50 yrs hard work in .So you younger people could reap the reward,. For most of you a hard days work would kill you Thats why we had to get the Poles in ,because a lot of you are to lazy. No I am not a bitter old man.We had the best times 1957-1977 The girls were great .Stockings/short skirts.We had a hard fantastic time. Good luck mate .You are sure going to nead it. cromwell9
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