West Central scheme planned for NCP car park in Exeter Road

Bournemouth Echo: CGI of West Central Scheme CGI of West Central Scheme

THE race to build a new cinema-led leisure complex in Bournemouth town centre has taken an unexpected twist – with cinema giant Odeon switching allegiance.

Odeon, the largest cinema group in Europe, appears to have pulled out of the Pavilion Gardens development planned for the Bath Road North car park.

Instead it has signed a pre-let agreement with the rival West Central scheme, planned for the NCP car park in Exeter Road.

Their defection is a massive boost for the £50million West Central scheme and comes at a crucial time when Bournemouth council is attempting to scupper the project so it can build a temporary bus hub on the site.

Developers Licet have also announced they now have funding for their scheme from Legal and General Property and have revealed that Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays are all confirmed for the development.

Chris Dymond, director of Licet Holdings, said: “Odeon is at the forefront of cinema and we are delighted that the formal agreement has been signed, as are the leading restaurant operators for whom we’ve always been the preferred choice, with the initial letting phase of 12 units fully secured.

“With the funding in place, this is the final piece of the jigsaw for West Central to bring a fantastic new attraction and experience right into the very centre of Bournemouth for locals and visitors to enjoy year round.”

The scheme has been repeatedly delayed because of the economic downturn and the subsequent wrangles with Bournemouth council but work is now set to start in the New Year.

The build will take around 18 months and the development is expected to create around 500 jobs once open.

The Odeon cinema will be the focal attraction, with 10 fully digital screens and nearly 2,000 seats, while the restaurants will overlook the award-winning Lower Gardens.

Ken Taylor, property director of Odeon and UCI Group, said: “We are thrilled with the opportunity to open a new Odeon cinema in Bournemouth as part of the West Central development.

“It’s a fantastic location and we’re looking forward to bringing the very latest in state-of-the-art cinema experiences to this exciting and contemporary destination, with work set to start in the coming months.”

When pressed on why they preferred the West Central development, they would only say it was a “more suitable location.”

Mr Dymond said the agreement struck with Legal and General proved their scheme was viable. “Securing Legal and General Property as our funding partner underlines the quality of West Central as only the very best leisure assets in the country meet its purchase criteria,” he said.

“LGP is one of the largest investors in this sector and the perfect partner for us as they have an established relationship with the council and are keen to help develop Bournemouth’s position as the leading destination on the south coast.”

Bournemouth Council

Bournemouth Borough Council Leader, Councillor John Beesley, said they “remained convinced” that the NCP car park site would be best used as a bus hub.

““The existing bus pick-up and drop-off in Gervis Place is congested and struggles to cope with existing numbers of buses and passengers. This demand is likely to rise as we encourage residents and visitors to use more sustainable forms of transport,” he said.

“The current NCP site at Exeter Road has been identified as the most suitable location for a much-needed bus hub in Bournemouth.

"A feasibility study by planning consultants, Terence O'Rourke, has concluded that this proposal is viable, affordable and will provide sufficient additional capacity to meet existing and future demand.

"These finding were endorsed by the council's cabinet on June 26, which authorised the use of compulsory purchase powers in support of this scheme. We are currently pressing ahead with detailed design work.

“I can understand why Licet Holdings Ltd is disappointed by the council's decision and not unsurprisingly it is seeking to persuade both the council and the wider public of the economic benefits of its scheme, which would be a boost to the town's economy.

“However, there are at least two alternative sites that could provide a new multiplex cinema, so these economic benefits will not be lost. On the flip side, Bournemouth's economy will undoubtedly suffer if we fail to solve congestion issues in the Town Centre.

“The council remains convinced that a new bus hub on the NCP car park site is the most appropriate use of the site in terms of the benefit to the wider community of Bournemouth.”

Legal and General Property

Legal and General Property has expressed its strong commitment to the West Central scheme, despite the fact the site is currently at the centre of a bitter land wrangle.

The Exeter Road site is owned by NCP car parks but Bournemouth council is attempting to compulsorily purchase the land from them.

Although it once backed the leisure scheme, Bournemouth council now wants to build a bus hub there.

Andrew Ferguson, head of leisure at Legal and General Property, said: “We are backing this scheme because it is the preferred site for the operators, with an exceptionally strong tenant line-up already signed up and unprecedented demand from restaurant occupiers.

“We also understand that it has always been the people of Bournemouth’s first choice.

“We always choose to fund schemes that are backed by the operators in the market and which best serve the community around them.

“At the end of the day the schemes that work are the ones that reflect the demands of the operators and consumers.”

Defection "big blow" to rival scheme

Odeon’s defection is a big blow to the rival Pavilion Gardens, formerly known as Nautilus, scheme proposed by Trevor Osborne, pictured right, for the Bath Road North car park.

The cinema giant had been committed to this development since February 2012, when the Odeon’s Ken Taylor described the location as “the best leisure site in town”.

Back then, Rory Davis, development director at the Trevor Osborne Property Group, heralded Odeon’s decision as a vote of confidence in the Nautilus development, as it was known then.

“There’s only one scheme in town and this is it,” he said. “Odeon naturally wanted to cover all their bases, they have spoken to everyone in town and they have made their decision. This will be the scheme that kickstarts the Bournemouth vision.”

The West Central and Pavilion Gardens schemes are broadly similar, in that they both comprise of a multiplex cinema and selection of restaurants and shops.

However, the West Central scheme would be build on land owned by NCP car parks, using private sector funds from Legal and General whereas the Pavilion Gardens scheme relies on Bournemouth council selling them the Bath Road North car park and then entering into a long-term rental agreement for a new underground car park that will be built there.

Both schemes have planning permission, although the council is no longer supportive of the West Central scheme and unsuccessfully tried to scupper it by withholding a small strip of council land.

A planning application seeking to amend the  Pavilion Gardens scheme will go before the council’s planning committee on Monday.

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6:31am Fri 13 Dec 13

rusty james says...

Be great if the town had an art house cinema, maybe in the current Odeon when it moves on. I'm sure there's a market for a bit of culture in amongst the popcorn and fizz. Maybe I'm stereotyping but there's a lot of language students, fantastic media, film, and cinematography courses at the university, and a large gay community. Not everyone wants to be spoonfed blockbusters.
Be great if the town had an art house cinema, maybe in the current Odeon when it moves on. I'm sure there's a market for a bit of culture in amongst the popcorn and fizz. Maybe I'm stereotyping but there's a lot of language students, fantastic media, film, and cinematography courses at the university, and a large gay community. Not everyone wants to be spoonfed blockbusters. rusty james

6:32am Fri 13 Dec 13

Moro99 says...

Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays.

The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..
Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays. The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth.. Moro99

7:24am Fri 13 Dec 13

BIGTONE says...

Bournemouth Borough Council Leader, Councillor John Beesley, said they “remained convinced” that the NCP car park site would be best used as a bus hub.


You dragged your heels and abandoned the site got too long.
Isn't it funny now someone has a future vision that's not Beesleys idea, we now need a bus station?.......haaaa
a. How pathetic they look now.
Bournemouth Borough Council Leader, Councillor John Beesley, said they “remained convinced” that the NCP car park site would be best used as a bus hub. You dragged your heels and abandoned the site got too long. Isn't it funny now someone has a future vision that's not Beesleys idea, we now need a bus station?.......haaaa a. How pathetic they look now. BIGTONE

7:25am Fri 13 Dec 13

Talkingheadera says...

Moro99 wrote:
Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays.

The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..
Exactly. Sick of these chain crap food outlets.
Why is it the independants can never get a foot in the door.
Most of these chains buy in frozen food, stick it in a microwave and charge a fortune for it. Pay peanuts for cooks not chefs and because the public don't seek out proper food home made they seem to thrive.
Some people want something they can't necessarily cook at home. Something cooked by a trained professional.
[quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays. The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..[/p][/quote]Exactly. Sick of these chain crap food outlets. Why is it the independants can never get a foot in the door. Most of these chains buy in frozen food, stick it in a microwave and charge a fortune for it. Pay peanuts for cooks not chefs and because the public don't seek out proper food home made they seem to thrive. Some people want something they can't necessarily cook at home. Something cooked by a trained professional. Talkingheadera

7:38am Fri 13 Dec 13

steve518 says...

Talkingheadera wrote:
Moro99 wrote:
Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays.

The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..
Exactly. Sick of these chain crap food outlets.
Why is it the independants can never get a foot in the door.
Most of these chains buy in frozen food, stick it in a microwave and charge a fortune for it. Pay peanuts for cooks not chefs and because the public don't seek out proper food home made they seem to thrive.
Some people want something they can't necessarily cook at home. Something cooked by a trained professional.
Agree totally, I wouldn't set foot inside any of these outlets, why is it always assumed we want to eat mass produced junk in a tacky themed restaurant! Please can we have more proper restaurants with proper chefs who can create a meal.
[quote][p][bold]Talkingheadera[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays. The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..[/p][/quote]Exactly. Sick of these chain crap food outlets. Why is it the independants can never get a foot in the door. Most of these chains buy in frozen food, stick it in a microwave and charge a fortune for it. Pay peanuts for cooks not chefs and because the public don't seek out proper food home made they seem to thrive. Some people want something they can't necessarily cook at home. Something cooked by a trained professional.[/p][/quote]Agree totally, I wouldn't set foot inside any of these outlets, why is it always assumed we want to eat mass produced junk in a tacky themed restaurant! Please can we have more proper restaurants with proper chefs who can create a meal. steve518

7:44am Fri 13 Dec 13

wonderway says...

oh dear what is weasley's mate Mr Osborne going to say or do

A quick dear John letter to say buy the land from under them with tax payers money

or does it mean the green cake project in now a sticky muddy pudding

well someone's in the mire

this is panto season and the ugly sister dame weasley and friends are centre stage for a right old flim flam session
oh dear what is weasley's mate Mr Osborne going to say or do A quick dear John letter to say buy the land from under them with tax payers money or does it mean the green cake project in now a sticky muddy pudding well someone's in the mire this is panto season and the ugly sister dame weasley and friends are centre stage for a right old flim flam session wonderway

7:51am Fri 13 Dec 13

bmthgirl64 says...

Moro99 wrote:
Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays.

The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..
I agree... the typical smell of fried and fried again food will be everywhere
[quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays. The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..[/p][/quote]I agree... the typical smell of fried and fried again food will be everywhere bmthgirl64

8:30am Fri 13 Dec 13

EdBmth says...

“The current NCP site at Exeter Road has been identified as the most suitable location for a much-needed bus hub in Bournemouth.

"A feasibility study by planning consultants, Terence O'Rourke, has concluded that this proposal is viable, affordable and will provide sufficient additional capacity to meet existing and future demand.

So consultants are employed to tell the Council that a good site for a bus station is... wait for it, the site of a former bus station.

Oddly there have been numerous comments on the Echo website from readers saying exactly the same thing, So perhaps if the Council actually read the Echo comments thread and listened to the general public they might save a fortune in consultants fees.

Then again this council probably has consultants to tell them how to wipe their backsides
“The current NCP site at Exeter Road has been identified as the most suitable location for a much-needed bus hub in Bournemouth. "A feasibility study by planning consultants, Terence O'Rourke, has concluded that this proposal is viable, affordable and will provide sufficient additional capacity to meet existing and future demand. So consultants are employed to tell the Council that a good site for a bus station is... wait for it, the site of a former bus station. Oddly there have been numerous comments on the Echo website from readers saying exactly the same thing, So perhaps if the Council actually read the Echo comments thread and listened to the general public they might save a fortune in consultants fees. Then again this council probably has consultants to tell them how to wipe their backsides EdBmth

8:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ralph Horris says...

Why not move the town centre out near the airport where there is much more available space for a bus hub ? Simples.
Why not move the town centre out near the airport where there is much more available space for a bus hub ? Simples. Ralph Horris

8:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

Alumchiner says...

rusty james wrote:
Be great if the town had an art house cinema, maybe in the current Odeon when it moves on. I'm sure there's a market for a bit of culture in amongst the popcorn and fizz. Maybe I'm stereotyping but there's a lot of language students, fantastic media, film, and cinematography courses at the university, and a large gay community. Not everyone wants to be spoonfed blockbusters.
There's a new one opened up in Westbourne Arcade showing older stuff and foreign films apparently.
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: Be great if the town had an art house cinema, maybe in the current Odeon when it moves on. I'm sure there's a market for a bit of culture in amongst the popcorn and fizz. Maybe I'm stereotyping but there's a lot of language students, fantastic media, film, and cinematography courses at the university, and a large gay community. Not everyone wants to be spoonfed blockbusters.[/p][/quote]There's a new one opened up in Westbourne Arcade showing older stuff and foreign films apparently. Alumchiner

9:18am Fri 13 Dec 13

bmthtony says...

How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.
How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens. bmthtony

9:22am Fri 13 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

Alumchiner wrote:
rusty james wrote: Be great if the town had an art house cinema, maybe in the current Odeon when it moves on. I'm sure there's a market for a bit of culture in amongst the popcorn and fizz. Maybe I'm stereotyping but there's a lot of language students, fantastic media, film, and cinematography courses at the university, and a large gay community. Not everyone wants to be spoonfed blockbusters.
There's a new one opened up in Westbourne Arcade showing older stuff and foreign films apparently.
Isn't the size a living room?
[quote][p][bold]Alumchiner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: Be great if the town had an art house cinema, maybe in the current Odeon when it moves on. I'm sure there's a market for a bit of culture in amongst the popcorn and fizz. Maybe I'm stereotyping but there's a lot of language students, fantastic media, film, and cinematography courses at the university, and a large gay community. Not everyone wants to be spoonfed blockbusters.[/p][/quote]There's a new one opened up in Westbourne Arcade showing older stuff and foreign films apparently.[/p][/quote]Isn't the size a living room? scrumpyjack

9:37am Fri 13 Dec 13

jinglebell says...

bmthtony wrote:
How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.
What a great idea!
[quote][p][bold]bmthtony[/bold] wrote: How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.[/p][/quote]What a great idea! jinglebell

9:38am Fri 13 Dec 13

TalkToTheTrees says...

People, why not just go to Poole Lighthouse? A quality arts centre, home to the BSO and with a quality art house cinema.
People, why not just go to Poole Lighthouse? A quality arts centre, home to the BSO and with a quality art house cinema. TalkToTheTrees

12:07pm Fri 13 Dec 13

PokesdownMark says...

Moro99 wrote:
Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays.

The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..
I love great food. I try to eat out twice a month at 'posh' places like the Captains Table and Splinters. It costs but me and Mrs PM think we're worth it. :-) BUT we also enjoy all of those more fast-food style restaurants. Generally their good is pretty darn good and very reasonably priced. They aren't stuffy but still have good service. Yes it would be better to see at least a few independent venues. Or some higher quality, smaller chains like Brasserie Blanc? But I'd be very happy to see a TGI Friday's that doesn't need a trip to Tower Park.
[quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays. The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..[/p][/quote]I love great food. I try to eat out twice a month at 'posh' places like the Captains Table and Splinters. It costs but me and Mrs PM think we're worth it. :-) BUT we also enjoy all of those more fast-food style restaurants. Generally their good is pretty darn good and very reasonably priced. They aren't stuffy but still have good service. Yes it would be better to see at least a few independent venues. Or some higher quality, smaller chains like Brasserie Blanc? But I'd be very happy to see a TGI Friday's that doesn't need a trip to Tower Park. PokesdownMark

12:18pm Fri 13 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

Moro99 wrote:
Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays.

The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..
Quite true, so predictably the usual bland over priced outlets common to every other down market transient concrete and glass development. Suddenly the idea of a Bus Station sounds far more attractive - even exotic!

On the face of it this is a blow for the Council Leader and his preferred scheme across the Gardens, but it might spell the end of that incredible taxpayer commitment to rent back our own parking spaces for 75-years.

The 'computer' impression of this scheme exclusive (it seems) to the hard copy Echo front page provides a fascinating insight into the developer's thinking. Because it is very clear from the profile of the dozens of people pictured that the target market is exclusively pretty young people, certainly not families, children and absolutely nobody over the age of thirty.
[quote][p][bold]Moro99[/bold] wrote: Nando’s, Ask Italian, Chiquitos, Coast to Coast, Frankie & Benny’s, Prezzo and TGI Fridays. The same tired old development as every other town, we will hardly know we are in Bournemouth..[/p][/quote]Quite true, so predictably the usual bland over priced outlets common to every other down market transient concrete and glass development. Suddenly the idea of a Bus Station sounds far more attractive - even exotic! On the face of it this is a blow for the Council Leader and his preferred scheme across the Gardens, but it might spell the end of that incredible taxpayer commitment to rent back our own parking spaces for 75-years. The 'computer' impression of this scheme exclusive (it seems) to the hard copy Echo front page provides a fascinating insight into the developer's thinking. Because it is very clear from the profile of the dozens of people pictured that the target market is exclusively pretty young people, certainly not families, children and absolutely nobody over the age of thirty. muscliffman

1:29pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Dean Park says...

What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter!
What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter! Dean Park

1:42pm Fri 13 Dec 13

BmthNewshound says...

Just get on with it. We've had years of proposals and promises of new developments that have come to nothing.
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Ever since it was first reported that Trevor Osborne was behind the Nautilus scheme I've expressed the view that the scheme would come to nothing. The dodgy deal regarding the car park would have cost tax payers £millions and the whole scheme lost credibility when revised plans were lodged and withdrawn in a desperate attempt to reduce the cost of the scheme.
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This announcement is Licet's two fingered salute to Beesley's under hand attempt to scupper Licets plans in favour of his preferred scheme. Beesley should be warned that if he tries to derail the Licet scheme private investors will be out off investing in the town which will have a devastating effect on the towns future.
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The bus station claims are just a smoke screen to enable Beesley to help Trevor Osborne. For over 30 years the Council showed no interest in building a new bus station on the NCP site. Why did they give Licet the go ahead if they wanted to use the site for a bus station ?.
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Enough talk, lets see some action.
Just get on with it. We've had years of proposals and promises of new developments that have come to nothing. . Ever since it was first reported that Trevor Osborne was behind the Nautilus scheme I've expressed the view that the scheme would come to nothing. The dodgy deal regarding the car park would have cost tax payers £millions and the whole scheme lost credibility when revised plans were lodged and withdrawn in a desperate attempt to reduce the cost of the scheme. . This announcement is Licet's two fingered salute to Beesley's under hand attempt to scupper Licets plans in favour of his preferred scheme. Beesley should be warned that if he tries to derail the Licet scheme private investors will be out off investing in the town which will have a devastating effect on the towns future. . The bus station claims are just a smoke screen to enable Beesley to help Trevor Osborne. For over 30 years the Council showed no interest in building a new bus station on the NCP site. Why did they give Licet the go ahead if they wanted to use the site for a bus station ?. . Enough talk, lets see some action. BmthNewshound

2:00pm Fri 13 Dec 13

dayjon says...

I think it is a brilliant plan ,it is rather strange that the council has decided they want a bus hub there now after waiting all these years doing nothing about .this eyesore of a site, so get on with it Licit. John Dean Park
I think it is a brilliant plan ,it is rather strange that the council has decided they want a bus hub there now after waiting all these years doing nothing about .this eyesore of a site, so get on with it Licit. John Dean Park dayjon

2:12pm Fri 13 Dec 13

woby_tide says...

Dean Park wrote:
What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter!
It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre.

Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?
[quote][p][bold]Dean Park[/bold] wrote: What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter![/p][/quote]It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre. Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one? woby_tide

2:32pm Fri 13 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

woby_tide wrote:
Dean Park wrote:
What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter!
It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre.

Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?
This is not correct, there has been quite overwhelming support on these threads for a Bus Station in the Town - at least somewhere! Although I also believe most people have worked out why there is a sudden desire in the Town Hall to rebuild one on this particular site - and it stinks.

People have managed for thirty years without a Bus Station, but only just. Closing the Triangle area as the second central bus terminus a while ago has now taken the overcrowded Gervis Place situation to unacceptably dangerous levels. Meanwhile before anything is done we await the fatal accident.......
[quote][p][bold]woby_tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dean Park[/bold] wrote: What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter![/p][/quote]It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre. Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?[/p][/quote]This is not correct, there has been quite overwhelming support on these threads for a Bus Station in the Town - at least somewhere! Although I also believe most people have worked out why there is a sudden desire in the Town Hall to rebuild one on this particular site - and it stinks. People have managed for thirty years without a Bus Station, but only just. Closing the Triangle area as the second central bus terminus a while ago has now taken the overcrowded Gervis Place situation to unacceptably dangerous levels. Meanwhile before anything is done we await the fatal accident....... muscliffman

2:35pm Fri 13 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

EdBmth wrote:
“The current NCP site at Exeter Road has been identified as the most suitable location for a much-needed bus hub in Bournemouth.

"A feasibility study by planning consultants, Terence O'Rourke, has concluded that this proposal is viable, affordable and will provide sufficient additional capacity to meet existing and future demand.

So consultants are employed to tell the Council that a good site for a bus station is... wait for it, the site of a former bus station.

Oddly there have been numerous comments on the Echo website from readers saying exactly the same thing, So perhaps if the Council actually read the Echo comments thread and listened to the general public they might save a fortune in consultants fees.

Then again this council probably has consultants to tell them how to wipe their backsides
Exactly, if Bournemouth Pier burnt down this Council would need to bring in expensive consultants to advise where was the best place in the Borough to build a replacement.
[quote][p][bold]EdBmth[/bold] wrote: “The current NCP site at Exeter Road has been identified as the most suitable location for a much-needed bus hub in Bournemouth. "A feasibility study by planning consultants, Terence O'Rourke, has concluded that this proposal is viable, affordable and will provide sufficient additional capacity to meet existing and future demand. So consultants are employed to tell the Council that a good site for a bus station is... wait for it, the site of a former bus station. Oddly there have been numerous comments on the Echo website from readers saying exactly the same thing, So perhaps if the Council actually read the Echo comments thread and listened to the general public they might save a fortune in consultants fees. Then again this council probably has consultants to tell them how to wipe their backsides[/p][/quote]Exactly, if Bournemouth Pier burnt down this Council would need to bring in expensive consultants to advise where was the best place in the Borough to build a replacement. muscliffman

2:39pm Fri 13 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

woby_tide wrote:
Dean Park wrote:
What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter!
It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre.

Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?
Its not another bus station either. What do we need the most? Perhaps Gervis place should be renamed 'Dangerous Place'. Putting the buses in a bus station on the said site will make the town centre safer and look better, there are two other sites to put a cinema with the winter gardens probably the most suited.
[quote][p][bold]woby_tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dean Park[/bold] wrote: What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter![/p][/quote]It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre. Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?[/p][/quote]Its not another bus station either. What do we need the most? Perhaps Gervis place should be renamed 'Dangerous Place'. Putting the buses in a bus station on the said site will make the town centre safer and look better, there are two other sites to put a cinema with the winter gardens probably the most suited. jobsworthwatch

4:22pm Fri 13 Dec 13

foresters says...

The old Odean could become an ice skating rink.

The Pavilion forecourt would make an ideal bus station.
The old Odean could become an ice skating rink. The Pavilion forecourt would make an ideal bus station. foresters

4:23pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bob49 says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Just get on with it. We've had years of proposals and promises of new developments that have come to nothing.
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Ever since it was first reported that Trevor Osborne was behind the Nautilus scheme I've expressed the view that the scheme would come to nothing. The dodgy deal regarding the car park would have cost tax payers £millions and the whole scheme lost credibility when revised plans were lodged and withdrawn in a desperate attempt to reduce the cost of the scheme.
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This announcement is Licet's two fingered salute to Beesley's under hand attempt to scupper Licets plans in favour of his preferred scheme. Beesley should be warned that if he tries to derail the Licet scheme private investors will be out off investing in the town which will have a devastating effect on the towns future.
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The bus station claims are just a smoke screen to enable Beesley to help Trevor Osborne. For over 30 years the Council showed no interest in building a new bus station on the NCP site. Why did they give Licet the go ahead if they wanted to use the site for a bus station ?.
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Enough talk, lets see some action.
Pretty much spot on

The question now is where does this leave this scheme (scam) to ' comprehensively redevelop# the Imax/Bath Hill Road car park ?

When it was pointed out some while back that the council had the eyes on flogging off that car park their were howls of protest from the usual suspects - albeit using different login names. There are still the gullible few who believe the council bought the Imax site to restore the view !

What now the much vaunted town centre plan ? Something that looks nothing more than an attempt to hand over as many ca rparks as possible to develops ... to cram in as many small flats as possible. Why might certain councillors be so keen on that idea we can only guess at.

Perhaps this is the beginning of the necessary stop on this shoddy and grubby asset stripping exercise - and maybe local taxpayers will at last wake up to what is going on in their town centre.

............or perhaps not, and when the next enticing bauble is dangled in front of them they will clap their hands in delight like seals on speed at feeding time ... just as they did with the reef, the Kings Park Ice Rink and more recently the absurd 'Tarzan rope' on the pier
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Just get on with it. We've had years of proposals and promises of new developments that have come to nothing. . Ever since it was first reported that Trevor Osborne was behind the Nautilus scheme I've expressed the view that the scheme would come to nothing. The dodgy deal regarding the car park would have cost tax payers £millions and the whole scheme lost credibility when revised plans were lodged and withdrawn in a desperate attempt to reduce the cost of the scheme. . This announcement is Licet's two fingered salute to Beesley's under hand attempt to scupper Licets plans in favour of his preferred scheme. Beesley should be warned that if he tries to derail the Licet scheme private investors will be out off investing in the town which will have a devastating effect on the towns future. . The bus station claims are just a smoke screen to enable Beesley to help Trevor Osborne. For over 30 years the Council showed no interest in building a new bus station on the NCP site. Why did they give Licet the go ahead if they wanted to use the site for a bus station ?. . Enough talk, lets see some action.[/p][/quote]Pretty much spot on The question now is where does this leave this scheme (scam) to ' comprehensively redevelop# the Imax/Bath Hill Road car park ? When it was pointed out some while back that the council had the eyes on flogging off that car park their were howls of protest from the usual suspects - albeit using different login names. There are still the gullible few who believe the council bought the Imax site to restore the view ! What now the much vaunted town centre plan ? Something that looks nothing more than an attempt to hand over as many ca rparks as possible to develops ... to cram in as many small flats as possible. Why might certain councillors be so keen on that idea we can only guess at. Perhaps this is the beginning of the necessary stop on this shoddy and grubby asset stripping exercise - and maybe local taxpayers will at last wake up to what is going on in their town centre. ............or perhaps not, and when the next enticing bauble is dangled in front of them they will clap their hands in delight like seals on speed at feeding time ... just as they did with the reef, the Kings Park Ice Rink and more recently the absurd 'Tarzan rope' on the pier Bob49

4:31pm Fri 13 Dec 13

UrbanCrab says...

Andrew Ferguson, head of leisure at Legal and General Property, said: “We are backing this scheme because it is the preferred site for the operators, with an exceptionally strong tenant line-up already signed up and unprecedented demand from restaurant occupiers.

“We also understand that it has always been the people of Bournemouth’s first choice.

“We always choose to fund schemes that are backed by the operators in the market and which best serve the community around them.

“At the end of the day the schemes that work are the ones that reflect the demands of the operators and consumers.”


I hate to speak ill of the clinically insane, but Cllr "Brown envelope" Beesley is so far out of touch with not only what the community want (you only need to look at the bcca community centre controversy in Boscombe or the decision to throw more money at the failed surf reef) but also what big business, Odeon etc) and indeed the council's new financier Legal and General want to do. People have been calling for a public Inquiry for some time now into the (mis)dealings of Mr Beesley and his close cabinet, who seem more concerned with feathering the nests of the small cabal of developers and other interests that stand behind him than the serious needs of our community and town. The people need leisure facilities, community centres, decent schools and recreation spaces and good housing. Do us a favour Mr Beesley stand down and take your network defunct cabinet with you, you leave a long legacy of mistakes and errors that this town has to live wth,including mouchel, the surf reef, the bcca, various dubious planning decisions, a massive error of judgement in not declaring interests with the criminal and ex councillor Tony Ramsden, the endless pursuit of Roger West, and the enormous expense of paying gagging clauses to stem the tide and damage from whistleblowing employees. We need honourable people in Town Hall, who will look out for the interests of the town and its inhabitants and listen to sensible advice, not fritter away our precious reserves on vanity projects and vested interest.
Andrew Ferguson, head of leisure at Legal and General Property, said: “We are backing this scheme because it is the preferred site for the operators, with an exceptionally strong tenant line-up already signed up and unprecedented demand from restaurant occupiers. “We also understand that it has always been the people of Bournemouth’s first choice. “We always choose to fund schemes that are backed by the operators in the market and which best serve the community around them. “At the end of the day the schemes that work are the ones that reflect the demands of the operators and consumers.” I hate to speak ill of the clinically insane, but Cllr "Brown envelope" Beesley is so far out of touch with not only what the community want (you only need to look at the bcca community centre controversy in Boscombe or the decision to throw more money at the failed surf reef) but also what big business, Odeon etc) and indeed the council's new financier Legal and General want to do. People have been calling for a public Inquiry for some time now into the (mis)dealings of Mr Beesley and his close cabinet, who seem more concerned with feathering the nests of the small cabal of developers and other interests that stand behind him than the serious needs of our community and town. The people need leisure facilities, community centres, decent schools and recreation spaces and good housing. Do us a favour Mr Beesley stand down and take your network defunct cabinet with you, you leave a long legacy of mistakes and errors that this town has to live wth,including mouchel, the surf reef, the bcca, various dubious planning decisions, a massive error of judgement in not declaring interests with the criminal and ex councillor Tony Ramsden, the endless pursuit of Roger West, and the enormous expense of paying gagging clauses to stem the tide and damage from whistleblowing employees. We need honourable people in Town Hall, who will look out for the interests of the town and its inhabitants and listen to sensible advice, not fritter away our precious reserves on vanity projects and vested interest. UrbanCrab

4:37pm Fri 13 Dec 13

hrryseccombe says...

bmthtony wrote:
How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.
What a good idea.
[quote][p][bold]bmthtony[/bold] wrote: How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.[/p][/quote]What a good idea. hrryseccombe

4:39pm Fri 13 Dec 13

woby_tide says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
woby_tide wrote:
Dean Park wrote:
What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter!
It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre.

Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?
Its not another bus station either. What do we need the most? Perhaps Gervis place should be renamed 'Dangerous Place'. Putting the buses in a bus station on the said site will make the town centre safer and look better, there are two other sites to put a cinema with the winter gardens probably the most suited.
What do we need the most? Well we don't need a bus station as the last 3 decades have proven the same as we don't need a monorail.

One question though, why will a bus station make Gervis Place suddenly safer, it will just increase the actual traffic speed as none of the buses would be stopping until they get to the bus station. At least the low speed the current layout generates forms it's own version of traffic calming
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woby_tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dean Park[/bold] wrote: What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter![/p][/quote]It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre. Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?[/p][/quote]Its not another bus station either. What do we need the most? Perhaps Gervis place should be renamed 'Dangerous Place'. Putting the buses in a bus station on the said site will make the town centre safer and look better, there are two other sites to put a cinema with the winter gardens probably the most suited.[/p][/quote]What do we need the most? Well we don't need a bus station as the last 3 decades have proven the same as we don't need a monorail. One question though, why will a bus station make Gervis Place suddenly safer, it will just increase the actual traffic speed as none of the buses would be stopping until they get to the bus station. At least the low speed the current layout generates forms it's own version of traffic calming woby_tide

5:11pm Fri 13 Dec 13

old duffa says...

front of pavillion and nautilas sound like a great bus hub ,pull in area like the one there building at bmth hospital
people could walk to beach and to shop,upgrade westover road for buses only,and walking distance to the new west central via the gardens
sorted
front of pavillion and nautilas sound like a great bus hub ,pull in area like the one there building at bmth hospital people could walk to beach and to shop,upgrade westover road for buses only,and walking distance to the new west central via the gardens sorted old duffa

5:19pm Fri 13 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

woby_tide wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
woby_tide wrote:
Dean Park wrote:
What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter!
It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre.

Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?
Its not another bus station either. What do we need the most? Perhaps Gervis place should be renamed 'Dangerous Place'. Putting the buses in a bus station on the said site will make the town centre safer and look better, there are two other sites to put a cinema with the winter gardens probably the most suited.
What do we need the most? Well we don't need a bus station as the last 3 decades have proven the same as we don't need a monorail.

One question though, why will a bus station make Gervis Place suddenly safer, it will just increase the actual traffic speed as none of the buses would be stopping until they get to the bus station. At least the low speed the current layout generates forms it's own version of traffic calming
Oh come on do keep up, if a new Bus Station was built on the Exeter Road site most buses would not have to even use Gervis Place, the obvious routes in would be via Terrace Road and across the Pier, plus down a reopened Richmond Hill - I live in hope!.
[quote][p][bold]woby_tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]woby_tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dean Park[/bold] wrote: What does the Town Centre really need? Another Cinema or a Bus Station? If there was a choice I would definitely side with the latter![/p][/quote]It isn't "another" cinema though is it, it would be the only cinema in the town centre. Or to put it another way, do we need something that has shown itself to be viable for the last few decades, that has shown an interest in actually being able to cater for even more people. Or something that hasn't existed for 30 years yet people have still managed to get in and out of the town centre and only a few hand wringers seem to see any value in having a new one?[/p][/quote]Its not another bus station either. What do we need the most? Perhaps Gervis place should be renamed 'Dangerous Place'. Putting the buses in a bus station on the said site will make the town centre safer and look better, there are two other sites to put a cinema with the winter gardens probably the most suited.[/p][/quote]What do we need the most? Well we don't need a bus station as the last 3 decades have proven the same as we don't need a monorail. One question though, why will a bus station make Gervis Place suddenly safer, it will just increase the actual traffic speed as none of the buses would be stopping until they get to the bus station. At least the low speed the current layout generates forms it's own version of traffic calming[/p][/quote]Oh come on do keep up, if a new Bus Station was built on the Exeter Road site most buses would not have to even use Gervis Place, the obvious routes in would be via Terrace Road and across the Pier, plus down a reopened Richmond Hill - I live in hope!. muscliffman

5:25pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Bob49 says...

bmthtony wrote:
How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.
That presumes that the council's motivation is the ehnacement of the town for residents and vistors alike.

It is not.

A cursory glance at the numerous failures and constant handing over of car parks to favoured developers should tell you what their real intent is.

Trebles all round, old boy !
[quote][p][bold]bmthtony[/bold] wrote: How about turning the old Odeon into a real arts centre. Upstairs could be the new home of the BSO, reinstate the old bar with balcony views out to sea. Downstairs the smaller auditoriums could become art house cinema screens.[/p][/quote]That presumes that the council's motivation is the ehnacement of the town for residents and vistors alike. It is not. A cursory glance at the numerous failures and constant handing over of car parks to favoured developers should tell you what their real intent is. Trebles all round, old boy ! Bob49

9:15pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Concrete Southbourne says...

This article is rambling; poor journalistic style. Gervis Place is perfect. Exeter Road is too far for the elderly (predominant bus users). Do we really need another 10 screens in Bournemouth? When are we going to open up a decent ice rink so our young people can have a healthy, central leisure activity?
This article is rambling; poor journalistic style. Gervis Place is perfect. Exeter Road is too far for the elderly (predominant bus users). Do we really need another 10 screens in Bournemouth? When are we going to open up a decent ice rink so our young people can have a healthy, central leisure activity? Concrete Southbourne

9:52pm Fri 13 Dec 13

rusty james says...

TalkToTheTrees wrote:
People, why not just go to Poole Lighthouse? A quality arts centre, home to the BSO and with a quality art house cinema.
Because it's a bit of a chore to get to, and more of a chore to return from if I've had a post- film chat over a beer or two. Besides, Bournemouth REALLY needs to up it's game and reputation. Culture does that, rather than aiming for 'Slough-on-Sea'.
[quote][p][bold]TalkToTheTrees[/bold] wrote: People, why not just go to Poole Lighthouse? A quality arts centre, home to the BSO and with a quality art house cinema.[/p][/quote]Because it's a bit of a chore to get to, and more of a chore to return from if I've had a post- film chat over a beer or two. Besides, Bournemouth REALLY needs to up it's game and reputation. Culture does that, rather than aiming for 'Slough-on-Sea'. rusty james

10:58pm Fri 13 Dec 13

esquisquirrel says...

Concrete Southbourne wrote:
This article is rambling; poor journalistic style. Gervis Place is perfect. Exeter Road is too far for the elderly (predominant bus users). Do we really need another 10 screens in Bournemouth? When are we going to open up a decent ice rink so our young people can have a healthy, central leisure activity?
Gervis Place is perfect? When I got the bus into town last Wednesday, it took 5 minutes for the bus to get from outside Halo to the stop. On the way back home, we were stationary for about 7 minutes while we waited for another bus to leave so that another bus could clear the way through. That's not exactly what I'd call "perfect".
[quote][p][bold]Concrete Southbourne[/bold] wrote: This article is rambling; poor journalistic style. Gervis Place is perfect. Exeter Road is too far for the elderly (predominant bus users). Do we really need another 10 screens in Bournemouth? When are we going to open up a decent ice rink so our young people can have a healthy, central leisure activity?[/p][/quote]Gervis Place is perfect? When I got the bus into town last Wednesday, it took 5 minutes for the bus to get from outside Halo to the stop. On the way back home, we were stationary for about 7 minutes while we waited for another bus to leave so that another bus could clear the way through. That's not exactly what I'd call "perfect". esquisquirrel

11:09pm Fri 13 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

Concrete Southbourne wrote:
This article is rambling; poor journalistic style. Gervis Place is perfect. Exeter Road is too far for the elderly (predominant bus users). Do we really need another 10 screens in Bournemouth? When are we going to open up a decent ice rink so our young people can have a healthy, central leisure activity?
What on earth are you on about 'Exeter Road is too far for the elderly' as a bus station?

This is not the Exeter Road down in Devon, it is the one just over the Gardens just a couple of hundred feet of grass away from Gervis Place in Bournemouth - and the site under discussion is certainly a little bit closer to the Square than much of Gervis Place!
[quote][p][bold]Concrete Southbourne[/bold] wrote: This article is rambling; poor journalistic style. Gervis Place is perfect. Exeter Road is too far for the elderly (predominant bus users). Do we really need another 10 screens in Bournemouth? When are we going to open up a decent ice rink so our young people can have a healthy, central leisure activity?[/p][/quote]What on earth are you on about 'Exeter Road is too far for the elderly' as a bus station? This is not the Exeter Road down in Devon, it is the one just over the Gardens just a couple of hundred feet of grass away from Gervis Place in Bournemouth - and the site under discussion is certainly a little bit closer to the Square than much of Gervis Place! muscliffman

11:17pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Marcus Yardley says...

John Betjeman was the founding member of Bournemouth Civic Society. In 1937 her published his famous poem called "Slough" - "Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough". He's dead now.
John Betjeman was the founding member of Bournemouth Civic Society. In 1937 her published his famous poem called "Slough" - "Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough". He's dead now. Marcus Yardley

11:22pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Western Sunset says...

Does Bournemouth actually need a bus station? Remember that the Corporation buses never used the old one.

What is needed is a more intergrated public transport system. Look, for example at Croydon. Trams run every couple of minutes through the central area; they don't terminate there and hence there's no need for a terminus.

Better use could also be made of The Triangle, which should be served by public transport better rather than most buses just sailing past.
Does Bournemouth actually need a bus station? Remember that the Corporation buses never used the old one. What is needed is a more intergrated public transport system. Look, for example at Croydon. Trams run every couple of minutes through the central area; they don't terminate there and hence there's no need for a terminus. Better use could also be made of The Triangle, which should be served by public transport better rather than most buses just sailing past. Western Sunset

12:13am Sat 14 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

Western Sunset wrote:
Does Bournemouth actually need a bus station? Remember that the Corporation buses never used the old one.

What is needed is a more intergrated public transport system. Look, for example at Croydon. Trams run every couple of minutes through the central area; they don't terminate there and hence there's no need for a terminus.

Better use could also be made of The Triangle, which should be served by public transport better rather than most buses just sailing past.
Agreed about the Triangle, looks like a paved wasteland most of the time now. But the Corporation buses in their day were using roads that were one-way (Avenue Road inbound and Gervis Place inbound) when Old Christchurch Road, Commercial Road, Richmond Hill and the Square itself were open to regular traffic. (Corporation buses did use the Bus Station but only in a limited way near the end).
[quote][p][bold]Western Sunset[/bold] wrote: Does Bournemouth actually need a bus station? Remember that the Corporation buses never used the old one. What is needed is a more intergrated public transport system. Look, for example at Croydon. Trams run every couple of minutes through the central area; they don't terminate there and hence there's no need for a terminus. Better use could also be made of The Triangle, which should be served by public transport better rather than most buses just sailing past.[/p][/quote]Agreed about the Triangle, looks like a paved wasteland most of the time now. But the Corporation buses in their day were using roads that were one-way (Avenue Road inbound and Gervis Place inbound) when Old Christchurch Road, Commercial Road, Richmond Hill and the Square itself were open to regular traffic. (Corporation buses did use the Bus Station but only in a limited way near the end). muscliffman

12:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

The Seasider says...

Dear Santa, I've waited ages and been really good, and worked really hard in school and I want a Scalextric set, loads of Lego, a massive box of chocolates, toys and Star Wars things, and sweets and fun stuff and an iPad (I don’t know what it is, but I want one), and anything that is great. Thanks. Oh, and something for my sister. Thanks.

Dear Santa, I have to say, that I am a little disappointed with my present this year. I like the grey socks, and need them for school, but it wasn’t really what I asked for. Perhaps you didn’t get my letter. But next year, can I have something.... erm.....better? ps. Do I need to share one sock with my sister?

So folk’s, here we are; we wanted it all, and we got a pair of grey socks. This scheme looks like the unfortunate offspring of Castlepoint and the Imax. A bland, uninspiring, joyless machine for making money. What it should be is a unique, creative, colourful and playful piece of architecture. Something which generates excitement and creates a sudden burst of enthusiasm to get the thing built. The toys that generate whoops of joy, “wow, this amazing” and “awesome” on Christmas morning, come from living up to, or beyond, expectations. This scheme generates nothing but a sigh and a heavy heart.

I will admit that this proposal is at least very slightly better than the previous attempt, in that it partly faces towards the gardens, but it falls far short of anything that Bournemouth centre deserves. A much stronger architectural proposition should reside here, creating pleasure and delight in its own right, simply by the strength of its design.

Haven’t we waited long enough? So please, give us something worth waiting for. Not grey socks!
Dear Santa, I've waited ages and been really good, and worked really hard in school and I want a Scalextric set, loads of Lego, a massive box of chocolates, toys and Star Wars things, and sweets and fun stuff and an iPad (I don’t know what it is, but I want one), and anything that is great. Thanks. Oh, and something for my sister. Thanks. Dear Santa, I have to say, that I am a little disappointed with my present this year. I like the grey socks, and need them for school, but it wasn’t really what I asked for. Perhaps you didn’t get my letter. But next year, can I have something.... erm.....better? ps. Do I need to share one sock with my sister? So folk’s, here we are; we wanted it all, and we got a pair of grey socks. This scheme looks like the unfortunate offspring of Castlepoint and the Imax. A bland, uninspiring, joyless machine for making money. What it should be is a unique, creative, colourful and playful piece of architecture. Something which generates excitement and creates a sudden burst of enthusiasm to get the thing built. The toys that generate whoops of joy, “wow, this amazing” and “awesome” on Christmas morning, come from living up to, or beyond, expectations. This scheme generates nothing but a sigh and a heavy heart. I will admit that this proposal is at least very slightly better than the previous attempt, in that it partly faces towards the gardens, but it falls far short of anything that Bournemouth centre deserves. A much stronger architectural proposition should reside here, creating pleasure and delight in its own right, simply by the strength of its design. Haven’t we waited long enough? So please, give us something worth waiting for. Not grey socks! The Seasider

9:27am Sun 15 Dec 13

skippy123 says...

Bournemouth council have already closed and built on 3 car parks in bournemouth now here are plans to do the same to 2 more. Can anyone see the problem here. They want all these people to visit our town and hold large event like the air festival but there will soon be nowhere for anyone to park.
Bournemouth council have already closed and built on 3 car parks in bournemouth now here are plans to do the same to 2 more. Can anyone see the problem here. They want all these people to visit our town and hold large event like the air festival but there will soon be nowhere for anyone to park. skippy123

6:40pm Sun 15 Dec 13

MVWHIT says...

I would like to know what the council proposes for the two vacated buildings on Westover Road. Odeon is only moving out of their two historic properties on Westover Road to ensure no other competitor gets into the new builds, thus forcing them out of business. This is a clear indication that the town can only sustain it's current screen capacity. Therefore maintaining the Odeon and ABC as cinemas when Odeon vacates seems unrealistic. I would happily support Odeon in moving to a new site provided binding provisions were put into place to preserve the historic features that still remain both inside and outside the buildings, including Odeon 1 which despite being a rebuild on the circle of the old theatre, is the only surviving auditorium of its type in the UK.
I would like to know what the council proposes for the two vacated buildings on Westover Road. Odeon is only moving out of their two historic properties on Westover Road to ensure no other competitor gets into the new builds, thus forcing them out of business. This is a clear indication that the town can only sustain it's current screen capacity. Therefore maintaining the Odeon and ABC as cinemas when Odeon vacates seems unrealistic. I would happily support Odeon in moving to a new site provided binding provisions were put into place to preserve the historic features that still remain both inside and outside the buildings, including Odeon 1 which despite being a rebuild on the circle of the old theatre, is the only surviving auditorium of its type in the UK. MVWHIT

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