Cherries: Wing wizard Fraser is held in high esteem

Bournemouth Echo: PRIZE GUY: Ryan Fraser with young player of the month award PRIZE GUY: Ryan Fraser with young player of the month award

CHERRIES were last night aiming to complete a deal for Ryan Fraser – the teenager who has been likened to Scottish football’s legendary wing wizards.

The 18-year-old was understood to have held talks in Dorset yesterday after Cherries reportedly agreed a fee of around £350,000 with Aberdeen.

Should Cherries manage to thrash out personal terms and put the finishing touches to the potential transfer, it would be seen as a major coup as the coveted Fraser has been compared with some of his country’s greats.

Former Scotland manager Craig Brown, currently in charge of Aberdeen, has previously mentioned the gifted 5ft 4in wide man alongside two heroes of yesteryear – Jimmy Johnstone and Willie Henderson.

Late Celtic star Johnstone help-ed the club win a host of domestic honours and the 1967 European Cup, while Rangers’ Henderson collected a large haul of silverware during his time at Ibrox.

Discussing hot prospect Fraser during his rise to the Aberdeen first team, Brown told the Evening Express: “When you watch Ryan in full flow, you can’t help thinking how Jimmy Johnstone and Willie Henderson used to thrill fans doing the same sort of stuff.

“It is still early days for Ryan, but it is clear he has the same natural talent that helped make Jimmy and Willie such huge stars.

“What is even better about Ryan, though, is he can make good use of the ball with either foot.”

Fraser, who has also been described as a “real crowd pleaser”, was among the spectators for Cherries’ FA Cup clash with Wigan on Tuesday.

Discussions over personal terms were believed to have got under way yesterday after the young hotshot, who is out of contract at the end of the season, recently rejected the offer of a new deal at Pittodrie.

Aberdeen, who are said to be keen to cash in as they are resign-ed to losing the gifted prospect, would be entitled to £250,000 in compensation this summer.

But Cherries are believed to have jumped to the front of the queue by agreeing a fee this week and being given permission to talk to Fraser, who has also been linked with Huddersfield and Swansea City.

Speaking yesterday, Aberdeen boss Brown told Sky Sports: “It is not a given he will go there.

“It is clear we will be looking for more money than we would be entitled to at the end of the season. What happens next is between Ryan, his agent and Bournemouth.”

In keeping with his pre-transfer window vow, Cherries boss Eddie Howe has declined to comment on all speculation over potential signings, including Fraser when asked by the Daily Echo.

Speaking to the Echo at the end of December, Howe said: “From our side, we will not be talking about a deal until it is done or, if indeed, there are any deals to be done.”

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7:41am Thu 17 Jan 13

smhinto says...

The Echo never fails to amuse me. It was reported that Grabban, McQuoid and O'kane could all be missing on Saturday at Walsall. They stated that Cherries will be back on Promotion trail etc.
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As if the loss of these three players is not going to affect anything !!!!, according to the wording.
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If these three are unavailable for Saturday we could well be in serious trouble.
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Well done to all at the club for equalling the 18 match unbeaten run, a fantastic acheivement.
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Regards
The Echo never fails to amuse me. It was reported that Grabban, McQuoid and O'kane could all be missing on Saturday at Walsall. They stated that Cherries will be back on Promotion trail etc. . As if the loss of these three players is not going to affect anything !!!!, according to the wording. . If these three are unavailable for Saturday we could well be in serious trouble. . Well done to all at the club for equalling the 18 match unbeaten run, a fantastic acheivement. . Regards smhinto

8:05am Thu 17 Jan 13

common dog says...

smhinto wrote:
The Echo never fails to amuse me. It was reported that Grabban, McQuoid and O'kane could all be missing on Saturday at Walsall. They stated that Cherries will be back on Promotion trail etc.
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As if the loss of these three players is not going to affect anything !!!!, according to the wording.
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If these three are unavailable for Saturday we could well be in serious trouble.
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Well done to all at the club for equalling the 18 match unbeaten run, a fantastic acheivement.
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Regards
Is that beause we have such a small squad? :)
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We have a surplus of players who are ready, willing and able to step straight into the first team. Fogden for McQuoid, Pitman back in partnering Thomas or Tubbs with Arter & Hughes in midfield.
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Yes the team will be affected but we have a lot of options and very good manager. We are also still unbeaten in the league & McQuoid hasn't been playing that well lately.
[quote][p][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote: The Echo never fails to amuse me. It was reported that Grabban, McQuoid and O'kane could all be missing on Saturday at Walsall. They stated that Cherries will be back on Promotion trail etc. . As if the loss of these three players is not going to affect anything !!!!, according to the wording. . If these three are unavailable for Saturday we could well be in serious trouble. . Well done to all at the club for equalling the 18 match unbeaten run, a fantastic acheivement. . Regards[/p][/quote]Is that beause we have such a small squad? :) . We have a surplus of players who are ready, willing and able to step straight into the first team. Fogden for McQuoid, Pitman back in partnering Thomas or Tubbs with Arter & Hughes in midfield. . Yes the team will be affected but we have a lot of options and very good manager. We are also still unbeaten in the league & McQuoid hasn't been playing that well lately. common dog

8:10am Thu 17 Jan 13

Mike Oxbig says...

I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'? Mike Oxbig

8:15am Thu 17 Jan 13

paulhanlon says...

we could be in trouble. But I think we had cover. For me O'Kane has been a revelation since he forced his way into the starting line up at Carlisle. But we were well under way into our unbeaten run without him. Josh is, for me, not himself at the moment and I really don't think we will miss him as he is performing right now. (I think he maybe had his best game back for us last Saturday but was woeful on Tuesday. Every pass went astray and his touch let him down.) Grabban's goals have been invaluable. So we will miss him, but surely Wes or Brett can step up to the mark. I'd like to say Tubbs - but that seems to be more in hope than expectation. Love the guy but we really need to see more goals per minute from him. Some will say he needs a run in the team and maybe that is the case, but he always seems an impact player to me.
So of course we would miss 3 first team regulars, but I don't see it should put us in trouble.
we could be in trouble. But I think we had cover. For me O'Kane has been a revelation since he forced his way into the starting line up at Carlisle. But we were well under way into our unbeaten run without him. Josh is, for me, not himself at the moment and I really don't think we will miss him as he is performing right now. (I think he maybe had his best game back for us last Saturday but was woeful on Tuesday. Every pass went astray and his touch let him down.) Grabban's goals have been invaluable. So we will miss him, but surely Wes or Brett can step up to the mark. I'd like to say Tubbs - but that seems to be more in hope than expectation. Love the guy but we really need to see more goals per minute from him. Some will say he needs a run in the team and maybe that is the case, but he always seems an impact player to me. So of course we would miss 3 first team regulars, but I don't see it should put us in trouble. paulhanlon

8:16am Thu 17 Jan 13

paulhanlon says...

Mike Oxbig wrote:
I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
[quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment paulhanlon

8:20am Thu 17 Jan 13

lofty1971 says...

Oh so positive this morning! Just because we lose one game to a Premiership team the moaners come out!

This is an article about another exciting potential signing not about injured players or our benefactors!

Shim-into why do you have to repeat the same comments on each story?
Oh so positive this morning! Just because we lose one game to a Premiership team the moaners come out! This is an article about another exciting potential signing not about injured players or our benefactors! Shim-into why do you have to repeat the same comments on each story? lofty1971

8:21am Thu 17 Jan 13

wookj1 says...

Any news on Big Mac?
How far away from full fitness is he now?
When Macdonald comes back it will be like a new signing.

With regard to Fraser, does anyone remember the impact wee Richard Cooke made on the right wing back in 1986/87. What a winger he was !!!
Any news on Big Mac? How far away from full fitness is he now? When Macdonald comes back it will be like a new signing. With regard to Fraser, does anyone remember the impact wee Richard Cooke made on the right wing back in 1986/87. What a winger he was !!! wookj1

8:22am Thu 17 Jan 13

Piston_Broke says...

This is great news, if a deal is completed. However, it's not half as good as this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/21
047858
Highworth Red, Le God, Chish & Fips and all you other C0ck Robins, pick that one up and make light of it.
This is great news, if a deal is completed. However, it's not half as good as this: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/21 047858 Highworth Red, Le God, Chish & Fips and all you other C0ck Robins, pick that one up and make light of it. Piston_Broke

8:23am Thu 17 Jan 13

rose tints rule says...

This lad is pure class. I really hope we can finalise the deal before a current championship club tries to scupper it!

And with regard to missing players on Saturday, I can't see it being a problem as the game is 90% certain to be called off anyway.
This lad is pure class. I really hope we can finalise the deal before a current championship club tries to scupper it! And with regard to missing players on Saturday, I can't see it being a problem as the game is 90% certain to be called off anyway. rose tints rule

8:34am Thu 17 Jan 13

AFCBade says...

paulhanlon wrote:
we could be in trouble. But I think we had cover. For me O'Kane has been a revelation since he forced his way into the starting line up at Carlisle. But we were well under way into our unbeaten run without him. Josh is, for me, not himself at the moment and I really don't think we will miss him as he is performing right now. (I think he maybe had his best game back for us last Saturday but was woeful on Tuesday. Every pass went astray and his touch let him down.) Grabban's goals have been invaluable. So we will miss him, but surely Wes or Brett can step up to the mark. I'd like to say Tubbs - but that seems to be more in hope than expectation. Love the guy but we really need to see more goals per minute from him. Some will say he needs a run in the team and maybe that is the case, but he always seems an impact player to me.
So of course we would miss 3 first team regulars, but I don't see it should put us in trouble.
Think Tubbs goals per minute is excellent but he gets so few minutes. Any player needs consistent game time to perform so bringing on Tubbs at the end of games isn't very helpful given we don't have decent reserve games in between matches. Even vs Wigan he came on and was very close to levelling the game. At brentford too he made more impact than Brett who similarly has missed a lot of games.
[quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: we could be in trouble. But I think we had cover. For me O'Kane has been a revelation since he forced his way into the starting line up at Carlisle. But we were well under way into our unbeaten run without him. Josh is, for me, not himself at the moment and I really don't think we will miss him as he is performing right now. (I think he maybe had his best game back for us last Saturday but was woeful on Tuesday. Every pass went astray and his touch let him down.) Grabban's goals have been invaluable. So we will miss him, but surely Wes or Brett can step up to the mark. I'd like to say Tubbs - but that seems to be more in hope than expectation. Love the guy but we really need to see more goals per minute from him. Some will say he needs a run in the team and maybe that is the case, but he always seems an impact player to me. So of course we would miss 3 first team regulars, but I don't see it should put us in trouble.[/p][/quote]Think Tubbs goals per minute is excellent but he gets so few minutes. Any player needs consistent game time to perform so bringing on Tubbs at the end of games isn't very helpful given we don't have decent reserve games in between matches. Even vs Wigan he came on and was very close to levelling the game. At brentford too he made more impact than Brett who similarly has missed a lot of games. AFCBade

8:56am Thu 17 Jan 13

andyjb10 says...

Mike Oxbig wrote:
I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
What on earth are you going on about today.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]What on earth are you going on about today. andyjb10

9:03am Thu 17 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote:
I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid.

It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking.

Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of.

Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid.

The stupid thing is ignoring it.
[quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it. CourtOffside

9:06am Thu 17 Jan 13

pokesdown1 says...

Worry not.
Thank your lucky stars we havent got Adkins who leaves his top scorer out,goes 2 down then,super substitution Nigella,brings him on to change the game.
Naughty boy Nigel.
Worry not. Thank your lucky stars we havent got Adkins who leaves his top scorer out,goes 2 down then,super substitution Nigella,brings him on to change the game. Naughty boy Nigel. pokesdown1

9:13am Thu 17 Jan 13

paulhanlon says...

AFCBade wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
we could be in trouble. But I think we had cover. For me O'Kane has been a revelation since he forced his way into the starting line up at Carlisle. But we were well under way into our unbeaten run without him. Josh is, for me, not himself at the moment and I really don't think we will miss him as he is performing right now. (I think he maybe had his best game back for us last Saturday but was woeful on Tuesday. Every pass went astray and his touch let him down.) Grabban's goals have been invaluable. So we will miss him, but surely Wes or Brett can step up to the mark. I'd like to say Tubbs - but that seems to be more in hope than expectation. Love the guy but we really need to see more goals per minute from him. Some will say he needs a run in the team and maybe that is the case, but he always seems an impact player to me.
So of course we would miss 3 first team regulars, but I don't see it should put us in trouble.
Think Tubbs goals per minute is excellent but he gets so few minutes. Any player needs consistent game time to perform so bringing on Tubbs at the end of games isn't very helpful given we don't have decent reserve games in between matches. Even vs Wigan he came on and was very close to levelling the game. At brentford too he made more impact than Brett who similarly has missed a lot of games.
I probably agree. I like Matty and previously followed him right back at Salisbury. I would love to see him do well and if he can start and score no one in the crowd could be more pleased. But you too mention "impact" at Brentford. At the moment that is how I see him.. But please do not take that as meaning that is how I want to see him.
[quote][p][bold]AFCBade[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: we could be in trouble. But I think we had cover. For me O'Kane has been a revelation since he forced his way into the starting line up at Carlisle. But we were well under way into our unbeaten run without him. Josh is, for me, not himself at the moment and I really don't think we will miss him as he is performing right now. (I think he maybe had his best game back for us last Saturday but was woeful on Tuesday. Every pass went astray and his touch let him down.) Grabban's goals have been invaluable. So we will miss him, but surely Wes or Brett can step up to the mark. I'd like to say Tubbs - but that seems to be more in hope than expectation. Love the guy but we really need to see more goals per minute from him. Some will say he needs a run in the team and maybe that is the case, but he always seems an impact player to me. So of course we would miss 3 first team regulars, but I don't see it should put us in trouble.[/p][/quote]Think Tubbs goals per minute is excellent but he gets so few minutes. Any player needs consistent game time to perform so bringing on Tubbs at the end of games isn't very helpful given we don't have decent reserve games in between matches. Even vs Wigan he came on and was very close to levelling the game. At brentford too he made more impact than Brett who similarly has missed a lot of games.[/p][/quote]I probably agree. I like Matty and previously followed him right back at Salisbury. I would love to see him do well and if he can start and score no one in the crowd could be more pleased. But you too mention "impact" at Brentford. At the moment that is how I see him.. But please do not take that as meaning that is how I want to see him. paulhanlon

10:14am Thu 17 Jan 13

Eddie's dog says...

Still smiling: "the gifted 5ft 4in wide man "; I expect it is those deep fried kebabs you can buy in Scotland...
Still smiling: "the gifted 5ft 4in wide man "; I expect it is those deep fried kebabs you can buy in Scotland... Eddie's dog

10:30am Thu 17 Jan 13

Square Old Codger says...

CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
[quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers. Square Old Codger

10:49am Thu 17 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
"But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it"

I could not disagree with this more strongly.

Unless you insert the words "be bothered to" before the word "do".

We can do plenty. We're just apathetic... and this paper's lack of interest in holding those running this club to account on behalf of the supporters and the community is also a big part of the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]"But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it" I could not disagree with this more strongly. Unless you insert the words "be bothered to" before the word "do". We can do plenty. We're just apathetic... and this paper's lack of interest in holding those running this club to account on behalf of the supporters and the community is also a big part of the problem. CourtOffside

11:01am Thu 17 Jan 13

Afcbpete says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD Afcbpete

11:36am Thu 17 Jan 13

RED on tour says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
SOC, that winger was Tony Scott, Five foot sodall tall, thin as a rake, blown over by a slight gust of wind, BUT could'nt he skin a defender and send over a dream of a cross. If this lad is half as productive as Tony we will see more goals than ever,
On another note, after missing part of Lee's management and all of Mr Groves have put hand in pocket for half season ticket. Get in there, that's two football club membership tickets collected. One a season ticket and the other a membership ticket for ....well have a guess.....
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]SOC, that winger was Tony Scott, Five foot sodall tall, thin as a rake, blown over by a slight gust of wind, BUT could'nt he skin a defender and send over a dream of a cross. If this lad is half as productive as Tony we will see more goals than ever, On another note, after missing part of Lee's management and all of Mr Groves have put hand in pocket for half season ticket. Get in there, that's two football club membership tickets collected. One a season ticket and the other a membership ticket for ....well have a guess..... RED on tour

12:03pm Thu 17 Jan 13

The Renegade Master says...

Mike Oxbig wrote:
I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
Cheer up Mike! Since Maxim stepped in properly a few months ago, got rid of Groves & Brooks and told Mitchell to keep a low profile, things have been on the up, so enjoy the ride and don't be so pessimistic!
[quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]Cheer up Mike! Since Maxim stepped in properly a few months ago, got rid of Groves & Brooks and told Mitchell to keep a low profile, things have been on the up, so enjoy the ride and don't be so pessimistic! The Renegade Master

12:19pm Thu 17 Jan 13

afcbian-inexile says...

As an exiled Cherry living and working In Aberdeen I can tell you that my colleagues all rate Fraser very highly. Fingers crossed he might just be the new Wade Elliott but with a bit more grit about him
As an exiled Cherry living and working In Aberdeen I can tell you that my colleagues all rate Fraser very highly. Fingers crossed he might just be the new Wade Elliott but with a bit more grit about him afcbian-inexile

12:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

nonnisrevenge says...

wookj1 wrote:
Any news on Big Mac? How far away from full fitness is he now? When Macdonald comes back it will be like a new signing. With regard to Fraser, does anyone remember the impact wee Richard Cooke made on the right wing back in 1986/87. What a winger he was !!!
Yes wookj1, I do

He was a class act; Bishop/Brookes in the middle spraying QB passes around, if my memory serves me correctly we had Paul wood on the left? He may have been a season after Cooke though??
[quote][p][bold]wookj1[/bold] wrote: Any news on Big Mac? How far away from full fitness is he now? When Macdonald comes back it will be like a new signing. With regard to Fraser, does anyone remember the impact wee Richard Cooke made on the right wing back in 1986/87. What a winger he was !!![/p][/quote]Yes wookj1, I do He was a class act; Bishop/Brookes in the middle spraying QB passes around, if my memory serves me correctly we had Paul wood on the left? He may have been a season after Cooke though?? nonnisrevenge

12:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

Afcbpete wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities.

I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy.

Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable. CourtOffside

1:12pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Afcbpete says...

CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities.

I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy.

Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.
I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....
[quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.[/p][/quote]I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious.... Afcbpete

1:28pm Thu 17 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

Afcbpete wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities.

I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy.

Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.
I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....
There's no reason we'd have gone bust without Demin.

The club has the ability to exercise control over its expenditure. We set our own salary bill and we should cut our cloth according to our means. If that means going nowhere, going down, whatever. So be it. Clubs should play at the level their business is able to sustain. If they want to do better, they should have to grow the business - sustainably.

How is it "sensible" to **** away tens of thousands of pounds a week on players' wages?

"Quite frankly", the benefactor model of football finance is broken. How many more teams have to go bust before people wake up and smell the coffee?
[quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.[/p][/quote]I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....[/p][/quote]There's no reason we'd have gone bust without Demin. The club has the ability to exercise control over its expenditure. We set our own salary bill and we should cut our cloth according to our means. If that means going nowhere, going down, whatever. So be it. Clubs should play at the level their business is able to sustain. If they want to do better, they should have to grow the business - sustainably. How is it "sensible" to **** away tens of thousands of pounds a week on players' wages? "Quite frankly", the benefactor model of football finance is broken. How many more teams have to go bust before people wake up and smell the coffee? CourtOffside

2:32pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Di kanny oh says...

Mike Oxbig wrote:
I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
Comments that should be seriously considered and not mocked in my view. The situation here at Swindon is the main backer Martin Black wants out and see's new investors as the way out but talk of administration is very wide of the mark as Swindon owe no money to anyone so the situation is no where as serious as Pompey. Martin Black is the main investor when he cleared most of the 13m debts previously and so his money is tied up in shares so Administration would not really get him any money back so Town are in talks with a few new backers and have been for weeks with also the new ground top of the agenda. Be wary of poking fun though at other clubs because you never know what is around the corner and there is no money in football at our level so they are just toys that are played with and can be discarded just as quickly. No club can sustain outgoings higher than income generated FACT!
[quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]Comments that should be seriously considered and not mocked in my view. The situation here at Swindon is the main backer Martin Black wants out and see's new investors as the way out but talk of administration is very wide of the mark as Swindon owe no money to anyone so the situation is no where as serious as Pompey. Martin Black is the main investor when he cleared most of the 13m debts previously and so his money is tied up in shares so Administration would not really get him any money back so Town are in talks with a few new backers and have been for weeks with also the new ground top of the agenda. Be wary of poking fun though at other clubs because you never know what is around the corner and there is no money in football at our level so they are just toys that are played with and can be discarded just as quickly. No club can sustain outgoings higher than income generated FACT! Di kanny oh

3:29pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Square Old Codger says...

CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.
No ones said "shut up" any one whose looked at the Club's Accounts know just how little finacial control Mr Mitcheell has exercised and as I have said many times, I expect the next Accounts produced to shew a swingeing loss. But, Max Demin has clearly taken control now, appears to be commited to the Club and has brought Eddie and Jason back, men who know how to run a Club on a budget. There is nothing that any of us can do about the way the Club was run, other than to be aware. So enjoy what is happening on the field and support the Club as much as you can.
[quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.[/p][/quote]No ones said "shut up" any one whose looked at the Club's Accounts know just how little finacial control Mr Mitcheell has exercised and as I have said many times, I expect the next Accounts produced to shew a swingeing loss. But, Max Demin has clearly taken control now, appears to be commited to the Club and has brought Eddie and Jason back, men who know how to run a Club on a budget. There is nothing that any of us can do about the way the Club was run, other than to be aware. So enjoy what is happening on the field and support the Club as much as you can. Square Old Codger

4:39pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Court Side says...

CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities.

I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy.

Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.
I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....
There's no reason we'd have gone bust without Demin.

The club has the ability to exercise control over its expenditure. We set our own salary bill and we should cut our cloth according to our means. If that means going nowhere, going down, whatever. So be it. Clubs should play at the level their business is able to sustain. If they want to do better, they should have to grow the business - sustainably.

How is it "sensible" to **** away tens of thousands of pounds a week on players' wages?

"Quite frankly", the benefactor model of football finance is broken. How many more teams have to go bust before people wake up and smell the coffee?
Don't you worry your pretty,little head CourtOffside, eveything in the Cherries garden is rosey. If Mr.Demin wasn't interested anymore or was in danger of losing interest in the near future do you really think 2 of his 'oppos from the motherland would have joined the board? Believe me these guys are in it for the long haul. They see the potential for a club in a relatively affluent part of the country,(immediate surroundings not withstanding ofcourse).Our nearest league team are 30 miles up the road so you have the potential of the apathetic good folk of Poole,Bournemouth,Ch
ristchurch and surrounding areas to tap and hopefully persuade to either come back after the Groves/Brooks debacle or try and attract the next generation of 'Red 'n Black Barmy Army' as i've done with my nephew,(managed to guide him away from Chelsea),and my mate has with his 2 little ones,(although they are more interested in their DS's then what's going on on the pitch but to be fair so was i between Eddie going and coming back).
Max was instrumental in bringing Eddie and Jason back and is giving Eddie the funds to try and achieve his aims.To be fair he backed Groves with good cash and although Groves bought good players,(if rather too many),he didn't know what to do with them tactically and tried to please everyone by playing them which ultimately meant pleasing some of the people some of the time and then so on and such forth......Yes we are paying some big wages beyond the clubs means but Eddie Howe has this club running through his veins and isn't going to jepordise it in the long run by continuing this practise,(Barnard's already gone back and i've a feeling between now and the Summer he'll be clearing out the not needed surplus,(Eddie likes a tight knit squad and doesn't like any prima dona's upsetting the status quo).
I remember back when Harry got us up to the old Championship equivalent,Man City,Villa,WBA and teams of similar ilk would mean 10,000 + through the gate.Even Barnsley and teams of that stature would be around the 8,000 mark.Look at Tuesday with Wigan.With that 4th stand built and Championship football to enjoy i think we could potentially be looking at gates of 10k and upwards again.Why not?Pre season matches against Spurs and Saints have sold out in the past in a 9,000 capacity stadium. Max can see this and knows this future model will sustain the club itself whilst he makes his money from the mooted hotel and buisness conference facilities.As was said in "Field Of Dreams" "if you build it he will come",(we'll substitute "he" for "they" in this instance).
So,my dear CourtOffside,my advice to you is to chill the f**k out,kick back and enjoy the ride.I have inside track that everything is "A" ok but ofcourse that's strictly off the record,on the QT and all very hush hush.....
[quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.[/p][/quote]I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....[/p][/quote]There's no reason we'd have gone bust without Demin. The club has the ability to exercise control over its expenditure. We set our own salary bill and we should cut our cloth according to our means. If that means going nowhere, going down, whatever. So be it. Clubs should play at the level their business is able to sustain. If they want to do better, they should have to grow the business - sustainably. How is it "sensible" to **** away tens of thousands of pounds a week on players' wages? "Quite frankly", the benefactor model of football finance is broken. How many more teams have to go bust before people wake up and smell the coffee?[/p][/quote]Don't you worry your pretty,little head CourtOffside, eveything in the Cherries garden is rosey. If Mr.Demin wasn't interested anymore or was in danger of losing interest in the near future do you really think 2 of his 'oppos from the motherland would have joined the board? Believe me these guys are in it for the long haul. They see the potential for a club in a relatively affluent part of the country,(immediate surroundings not withstanding ofcourse).Our nearest league team are 30 miles up the road so you have the potential of the apathetic good folk of Poole,Bournemouth,Ch ristchurch and surrounding areas to tap and hopefully persuade to either come back after the Groves/Brooks debacle or try and attract the next generation of 'Red 'n Black Barmy Army' as i've done with my nephew,(managed to guide him away from Chelsea),and my mate has with his 2 little ones,(although they are more interested in their DS's then what's going on on the pitch but to be fair so was i between Eddie going and coming back). Max was instrumental in bringing Eddie and Jason back and is giving Eddie the funds to try and achieve his aims.To be fair he backed Groves with good cash and although Groves bought good players,(if rather too many),he didn't know what to do with them tactically and tried to please everyone by playing them which ultimately meant pleasing some of the people some of the time and then so on and such forth......Yes we are paying some big wages beyond the clubs means but Eddie Howe has this club running through his veins and isn't going to jepordise it in the long run by continuing this practise,(Barnard's already gone back and i've a feeling between now and the Summer he'll be clearing out the not needed surplus,(Eddie likes a tight knit squad and doesn't like any prima dona's upsetting the status quo). I remember back when Harry got us up to the old Championship equivalent,Man City,Villa,WBA and teams of similar ilk would mean 10,000 + through the gate.Even Barnsley and teams of that stature would be around the 8,000 mark.Look at Tuesday with Wigan.With that 4th stand built and Championship football to enjoy i think we could potentially be looking at gates of 10k and upwards again.Why not?Pre season matches against Spurs and Saints have sold out in the past in a 9,000 capacity stadium. Max can see this and knows this future model will sustain the club itself whilst he makes his money from the mooted hotel and buisness conference facilities.As was said in "Field Of Dreams" "if you build it he will come",(we'll substitute "he" for "they" in this instance). So,my dear CourtOffside,my advice to you is to chill the f**k out,kick back and enjoy the ride.I have inside track that everything is "A" ok but ofcourse that's strictly off the record,on the QT and all very hush hush..... Court Side

6:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Loyal2AFCB says...

Is “CourtOffside“ the character who runs the website of the same name? If so, not only does he come out with some rubbish, I also understand that he rarely attends games and was a leading light in the oh so succesful “community club” project.
Is “CourtOffside“ the character who runs the website of the same name? If so, not only does he come out with some rubbish, I also understand that he rarely attends games and was a leading light in the oh so succesful “community club” project. Loyal2AFCB

7:33pm Thu 17 Jan 13

sea poole says...

CourtOffside - You label fans 'apathetic' -so what exactly are YOU doing to avoid being tarred with the same label...?
CourtOffside - You label fans 'apathetic' -so what exactly are YOU doing to avoid being tarred with the same label...? sea poole

8:11pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Court Side says...

sea poole wrote:
CourtOffside - You label fans 'apathetic' -so what exactly are YOU doing to avoid being tarred with the same label...?
Dear sea poole,not sure if your getting your "CourtOffside" mixed up with your "Courtside". "CourtOffside" is the one who thinks the ivory tower that is AFCB is built on foundations of sand as i myself,(that would be "Courtside"), think we are built on firm,Russian foundations.
However,on refering back to posts on this thread i can't see any mention by "CourtOffside" of 'apathetic' fans so i can only assume that your post,(see above),references my comment,("Courtside"
),which i shall clarify for you.My reference to 'apathetic' fans are aimed at the ones who only turn up to games when 1.Times are good and the team is winning/playing attractive,exciting football and 2.When "big teams"/local derbys are on the agenda.These are the fans that we should be enticing to keep returning to Dean Court and not,as i mentioned in a previous post,when teams such as Spurs,Saints or A.N OTHER top division team comes down for pre season friendlies or,as in a season or two ago,when the league was very much southern based and we filled the ground against Saints and Brighton but struggle to get past 5k attendance when say Crewe,Bury or the like come down.
As for you asking me what i'm doing so as not to be tarred with the same brush i can only tell you that i've been attending since the days of Harry Redknapp,(i jumped on the promotion bandwagon in 86/87),and have attended ever since,enjoying the football under Mel Machin ,Sean O'Driscoll and Eddie Howe while enduring the football under Tony Pulis,Jimmy Quinn,Lee Bradbury,(at times) and Paul Groves.I've been to Hartlepool and got a meat pie thrown by a monkey hanger all down my coat,(8 hours back on the coach smelling of steak and onion,) I saw us stuffed 4-0 at Hull with Billy Whitehurst giving the Bournemouth fans the Nescafe coffee bean sign after he scored,i've been frozen half to death at Plymouth Argyle,Port Vale,Reading,(Elm Park),and too many other numerous grounds to mention and i've seen us play Crystal Palace,complete with Ian Wright and Mark Bright,off the park at their place.Just some of my memories of my years following AFCB.I hope this satifies your enquiry.If however you were directing this at "CourtOffside" and not me,"Courtside" then forget everything i said and have a nice evening :)
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: CourtOffside - You label fans 'apathetic' -so what exactly are YOU doing to avoid being tarred with the same label...?[/p][/quote]Dear sea poole,not sure if your getting your "CourtOffside" mixed up with your "Courtside". "CourtOffside" is the one who thinks the ivory tower that is AFCB is built on foundations of sand as i myself,(that would be "Courtside"), think we are built on firm,Russian foundations. However,on refering back to posts on this thread i can't see any mention by "CourtOffside" of 'apathetic' fans so i can only assume that your post,(see above),references my comment,("Courtside" ),which i shall clarify for you.My reference to 'apathetic' fans are aimed at the ones who only turn up to games when 1.Times are good and the team is winning/playing attractive,exciting football and 2.When "big teams"/local derbys are on the agenda.These are the fans that we should be enticing to keep returning to Dean Court and not,as i mentioned in a previous post,when teams such as Spurs,Saints or A.N OTHER top division team comes down for pre season friendlies or,as in a season or two ago,when the league was very much southern based and we filled the ground against Saints and Brighton but struggle to get past 5k attendance when say Crewe,Bury or the like come down. As for you asking me what i'm doing so as not to be tarred with the same brush i can only tell you that i've been attending since the days of Harry Redknapp,(i jumped on the promotion bandwagon in 86/87),and have attended ever since,enjoying the football under Mel Machin ,Sean O'Driscoll and Eddie Howe while enduring the football under Tony Pulis,Jimmy Quinn,Lee Bradbury,(at times) and Paul Groves.I've been to Hartlepool and got a meat pie thrown by a monkey hanger all down my coat,(8 hours back on the coach smelling of steak and onion,) I saw us stuffed 4-0 at Hull with Billy Whitehurst giving the Bournemouth fans the Nescafe coffee bean sign after he scored,i've been frozen half to death at Plymouth Argyle,Port Vale,Reading,(Elm Park),and too many other numerous grounds to mention and i've seen us play Crystal Palace,complete with Ian Wright and Mark Bright,off the park at their place.Just some of my memories of my years following AFCB.I hope this satifies your enquiry.If however you were directing this at "CourtOffside" and not me,"Courtside" then forget everything i said and have a nice evening :) Court Side

9:39pm Thu 17 Jan 13

jakeysredd says...

Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Tony Scott was the winger not Boyer
[quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Tony Scott was the winger not Boyer jakeysredd

11:23am Fri 18 Jan 13

Square Old Codger says...

jakeysredd wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Tony Scott was the winger not Boyer
Quite aware of that, thankyou - I referred to Phil Boyer and Ted McDougal as the best pair of strikers the Club has ever had.
[quote][p][bold]jakeysredd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Tony Scott was the winger not Boyer[/p][/quote]Quite aware of that, thankyou - I referred to Phil Boyer and Ted McDougal as the best pair of strikers the Club has ever had. Square Old Codger

12:12pm Fri 18 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

Loyal2AFCB wrote:
Is “CourtOffside“ the character who runs the website of the same name? If so, not only does he come out with some rubbish, I also understand that he rarely attends games and was a leading light in the oh so succesful “community club” project.
Yawn.

If you disagree, at least formulate a cogent argument.

Your ad hominem nonsense suggests you lack the intellectual capacity to do so.
[quote][p][bold]Loyal2AFCB[/bold] wrote: Is “CourtOffside“ the character who runs the website of the same name? If so, not only does he come out with some rubbish, I also understand that he rarely attends games and was a leading light in the oh so succesful “community club” project.[/p][/quote]Yawn. If you disagree, at least formulate a cogent argument. Your ad hominem nonsense suggests you lack the intellectual capacity to do so. CourtOffside

12:17pm Fri 18 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

sea poole wrote:
CourtOffside - You label fans 'apathetic' -so what exactly are YOU doing to avoid being tarred with the same label...?
Apathetic.

Adjective
Showing or feeling no interest, enthusiasm, or concern.

I'm doing the opposite of the above, ta.
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: CourtOffside - You label fans 'apathetic' -so what exactly are YOU doing to avoid being tarred with the same label...?[/p][/quote]Apathetic. Adjective Showing or feeling no interest, enthusiasm, or concern. I'm doing the opposite of the above, ta. CourtOffside

12:22pm Fri 18 Jan 13

CourtOffside says...

Court Side wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
Afcbpete wrote:
Square Old Codger wrote:
CourtOffside wrote:
paulhanlon wrote:
Mike Oxbig wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?
what a random and stupid comment
No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.
The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.
Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD
Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities.

I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy.

Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.
I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....
There's no reason we'd have gone bust without Demin.

The club has the ability to exercise control over its expenditure. We set our own salary bill and we should cut our cloth according to our means. If that means going nowhere, going down, whatever. So be it. Clubs should play at the level their business is able to sustain. If they want to do better, they should have to grow the business - sustainably.

How is it "sensible" to **** away tens of thousands of pounds a week on players' wages?

"Quite frankly", the benefactor model of football finance is broken. How many more teams have to go bust before people wake up and smell the coffee?
Don't you worry your pretty,little head CourtOffside, eveything in the Cherries garden is rosey. If Mr.Demin wasn't interested anymore or was in danger of losing interest in the near future do you really think 2 of his 'oppos from the motherland would have joined the board? Believe me these guys are in it for the long haul. They see the potential for a club in a relatively affluent part of the country,(immediate surroundings not withstanding ofcourse).Our nearest league team are 30 miles up the road so you have the potential of the apathetic good folk of Poole,Bournemouth,Ch

ristchurch and surrounding areas to tap and hopefully persuade to either come back after the Groves/Brooks debacle or try and attract the next generation of 'Red 'n Black Barmy Army' as i've done with my nephew,(managed to guide him away from Chelsea),and my mate has with his 2 little ones,(although they are more interested in their DS's then what's going on on the pitch but to be fair so was i between Eddie going and coming back).
Max was instrumental in bringing Eddie and Jason back and is giving Eddie the funds to try and achieve his aims.To be fair he backed Groves with good cash and although Groves bought good players,(if rather too many),he didn't know what to do with them tactically and tried to please everyone by playing them which ultimately meant pleasing some of the people some of the time and then so on and such forth......Yes we are paying some big wages beyond the clubs means but Eddie Howe has this club running through his veins and isn't going to jepordise it in the long run by continuing this practise,(Barnard's already gone back and i've a feeling between now and the Summer he'll be clearing out the not needed surplus,(Eddie likes a tight knit squad and doesn't like any prima dona's upsetting the status quo).
I remember back when Harry got us up to the old Championship equivalent,Man City,Villa,WBA and teams of similar ilk would mean 10,000 + through the gate.Even Barnsley and teams of that stature would be around the 8,000 mark.Look at Tuesday with Wigan.With that 4th stand built and Championship football to enjoy i think we could potentially be looking at gates of 10k and upwards again.Why not?Pre season matches against Spurs and Saints have sold out in the past in a 9,000 capacity stadium. Max can see this and knows this future model will sustain the club itself whilst he makes his money from the mooted hotel and buisness conference facilities.As was said in "Field Of Dreams" "if you build it he will come",(we'll substitute "he" for "they" in this instance).
So,my dear CourtOffside,my advice to you is to chill the f**k out,kick back and enjoy the ride.I have inside track that everything is "A" ok but ofcourse that's strictly off the record,on the QT and all very hush hush.....
Please, don't patronise me.

You may believe Demin and his countrymen are in it for the long haul, great. I'm not willing to take that on trust.
[quote][p][bold]Court Side[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Afcbpete[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Square Old Codger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CourtOffside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]paulhanlon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: I wonder if we will actually make it into the Championship before Maxim and his comerades lose interest and we 'do a Pompey'?[/p][/quote]what a random and stupid comment[/p][/quote]No, it's really not random or stupid. It's probably the most apposite question about the club at the moment and one we should all be asking. Swindon are about to go into administration after their sugar daddy decided to cut off the money supply. The future of our club is being gambled on getting promoted. The club has spent massively, unsustainably and that money has come in on terms that none of us are aware of. Head out of the sand please. None of what is going on at the club is earned or real. We're in a bubble that could burst at any time.. questioning it is anything but stupid. The stupid thing is ignoring it.[/p][/quote]The situation ever since Max Demin came in has been that should he lose interest, the Club would be insovent and in trouble, we have been spending far more than we have been bringing in for 3 years now. But,Eddie Howe had , I quote " a fruitful meeting" with Mr Demin on Monday and he and his friends do appear to be fully committed. It is not a desirable situation though and the Club will have to match income with their outgoings, sooner, rather than later. But there is nothing we, as supporters can do about it, other than to pack Dean Court and enjoy the entertaining football on show. As for young Ryan Fraser - I can remember John Bond bringing in a winger to provide ammunition for the strikers - the best pair the Club ever had ,McDougall and Boyer. Lets hope that should the lad join us , he can inspire our strikers.[/p][/quote]Watching a piece of video of young Ryan reminded me of Tony Scott as Ryan swung the ball into the box perfectly to be headed home. Only trouble is, we don't have a McDougall or a Boyer and many balls into the box even now are wasted. But as I've said many times Eddie knows best, he obviously has a plan in mind. As for Maxim's money' I totally agree with just come along and enjoy what's happening. Things have changed ever since Maxim became more hands on i.e. the return of Eddie. YES, it could all go pear shaped, and yes I could get run over by a bus, but it won't stop me crossing the road. So stop fretting some of you, we ALL know the POSSIBLE consequences, but blimey if you don't take a chance in life you'd never get anywhere, or maybe your a Bank manager :) UTCIAD[/p][/quote]Ah. The good old "shut up, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions" approach.. and the single biggest reason fans in this country are taken for granted and treated like dirt by the clubs and football authorities. I want there to be a club for my kids and later my grandchildren to enjoy. Risks are fine if the costs of failure are affordable. Existential risks are not acceptable.[/p][/quote]I've never said shut up, I've said risks have to be made or we go no where and if Demin had not come on board we'd of gone bust anyway, so quite frankly, what's the difference!!! is any benefactor going to be happy simply drip feeding the club to stay alive because they are only attracting 3/4000 fans and all the club is doing is stagnate. I don't think so. You could say had Eddie stayed we'd of got promotion, but Mitchell was going to sell the team regardless, which is why EH left, so we'd of been worse off probably. NOW, I feel the money is being spent more sensibly and not propping up Mitchell, so yes, the risks outweigh being too cautious....[/p][/quote]There's no reason we'd have gone bust without Demin. The club has the ability to exercise control over its expenditure. We set our own salary bill and we should cut our cloth according to our means. If that means going nowhere, going down, whatever. So be it. Clubs should play at the level their business is able to sustain. If they want to do better, they should have to grow the business - sustainably. How is it "sensible" to **** away tens of thousands of pounds a week on players' wages? "Quite frankly", the benefactor model of football finance is broken. How many more teams have to go bust before people wake up and smell the coffee?[/p][/quote]Don't you worry your pretty,little head CourtOffside, eveything in the Cherries garden is rosey. If Mr.Demin wasn't interested anymore or was in danger of losing interest in the near future do you really think 2 of his 'oppos from the motherland would have joined the board? Believe me these guys are in it for the long haul. They see the potential for a club in a relatively affluent part of the country,(immediate surroundings not withstanding ofcourse).Our nearest league team are 30 miles up the road so you have the potential of the apathetic good folk of Poole,Bournemouth,Ch ristchurch and surrounding areas to tap and hopefully persuade to either come back after the Groves/Brooks debacle or try and attract the next generation of 'Red 'n Black Barmy Army' as i've done with my nephew,(managed to guide him away from Chelsea),and my mate has with his 2 little ones,(although they are more interested in their DS's then what's going on on the pitch but to be fair so was i between Eddie going and coming back). Max was instrumental in bringing Eddie and Jason back and is giving Eddie the funds to try and achieve his aims.To be fair he backed Groves with good cash and although Groves bought good players,(if rather too many),he didn't know what to do with them tactically and tried to please everyone by playing them which ultimately meant pleasing some of the people some of the time and then so on and such forth......Yes we are paying some big wages beyond the clubs means but Eddie Howe has this club running through his veins and isn't going to jepordise it in the long run by continuing this practise,(Barnard's already gone back and i've a feeling between now and the Summer he'll be clearing out the not needed surplus,(Eddie likes a tight knit squad and doesn't like any prima dona's upsetting the status quo). I remember back when Harry got us up to the old Championship equivalent,Man City,Villa,WBA and teams of similar ilk would mean 10,000 + through the gate.Even Barnsley and teams of that stature would be around the 8,000 mark.Look at Tuesday with Wigan.With that 4th stand built and Championship football to enjoy i think we could potentially be looking at gates of 10k and upwards again.Why not?Pre season matches against Spurs and Saints have sold out in the past in a 9,000 capacity stadium. Max can see this and knows this future model will sustain the club itself whilst he makes his money from the mooted hotel and buisness conference facilities.As was said in "Field Of Dreams" "if you build it he will come",(we'll substitute "he" for "they" in this instance). So,my dear CourtOffside,my advice to you is to chill the f**k out,kick back and enjoy the ride.I have inside track that everything is "A" ok but ofcourse that's strictly off the record,on the QT and all very hush hush.....[/p][/quote]Please, don't patronise me. You may believe Demin and his countrymen are in it for the long haul, great. I'm not willing to take that on trust. CourtOffside

4:13pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Court Side says...

Not patronising you my old son,just trying to bring a bit of levity to your scaremongering posts.
You think we'll end up in the s**t,i don't.A difference of opinion where i don't agree with you.Is that ok/allowed?
Not patronising you my old son,just trying to bring a bit of levity to your scaremongering posts. You think we'll end up in the s**t,i don't.A difference of opinion where i don't agree with you.Is that ok/allowed? Court Side

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