AFC Bournemouth: Arter advocates single striker stance

Bournemouth Echo: PATIENCE: AFC Bournemouth's Harry Arter PATIENCE: AFC Bournemouth's Harry Arter

MIDFIELD marvel Harry Arter is backing Cherries to prosper from their passing approach and insists playing with a lone front man is no barrier to their attacking instincts.

The 24-year-old was at the hub of Cherries’ creativity as Eddie Howe’s charges fought back from two goals down to secure a point in a 2-2 draw at Bolton Wanderers on Saturday.

Despite their early deficit, Cherries continued to create with Eunan O’Kane providing the platform for Arter and Andrew Surman to pull the strings in the middle of the park.

Simon Francis’s 65th-minute leveller came a minute after the introduction of attacking duo Tokelo Rantie and Yann Kermorgant from the bench.

But while there have been calls from some quarters for Cherries to take a more direct route from the outset, Dean Court’s former Woking wonder believes patience on the pitch and from the stands can help his team to turn on the style.

Arter told the Daily Echo: “Sometimes it is difficult when the fans see we are playing one up front. They might see it as a negative tactic but in terms of chances, we create more when we play three in midfield.

“The team have definitely been more comfortable with it lately. It was never going to be something which clicked into position straight away, we have had to work hard at it every day in training.

“You can see it has started to come together in games now and we have been the better team for long spells in the past six or seven games.

“If a result doesn’t go for us one week it is not necessarily down to tactics, there are other reasons, but if we keep playing the way we are at the moment we will see plenty of positive results.”

And Arter, who played a starring role in Lancashire despite twisting his ankle in the warm-up, reckons Cherries have to stick to their principles if they want to emulate teams revered for their moving of the ball.

“As a group that is what we are groomed to do and if you want to play an attractive style you have to play that way,” he added.

“Barcelona play one up front, so did Liverpool when they came here and when you look at the best teams in the world, everyone seems to overload the middle of the park to get their creative players on the ball.

“That is the way continental football is going and with more young managers like ours coming into the game, the philosophy is to beat teams by playing football.

“It is tough for teams to stick with that when they are constantly looking to improve but it can be done.

“Teams like Swansea and Brighton earn a lot of praise for playing that way but they made steady progress over time. Their fans stuck with them and that’s what we need here.”

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8:24am Tue 11 Feb 14

canfordcherry says...

We are victims of our own success. We all want the attractive football to continue which as Harry says creates chances, but we also want 2 upfront to finish said chances when they are made. ''Barca & L/pool play with 1 upfront''.
Oh well all we need to do to add the finishing touches is unearth the next Messi or Saurez and we are there!
I agree that the football we play is attractive and incisive but by packing the mid you take away some of the attacking force from the team. If we (and I hope we do) continue to play this way we must expect more scoring from our attacking midfielders other than Grabbs when he's not up front.
We are victims of our own success. We all want the attractive football to continue which as Harry says creates chances, but we also want 2 upfront to finish said chances when they are made. ''Barca & L/pool play with 1 upfront''. Oh well all we need to do to add the finishing touches is unearth the next Messi or Saurez and we are there! I agree that the football we play is attractive and incisive but by packing the mid you take away some of the attacking force from the team. If we (and I hope we do) continue to play this way we must expect more scoring from our attacking midfielders other than Grabbs when he's not up front. canfordcherry

9:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

socoolmichael says...

Not quite sure what Harry means with his quote “If a result doesn’t go for us one week it is not necessarily down to tactics, there are other reasons" What Harry doesn't identify is exactly what those other reasons are. There is no question that our boys have done ever so well in this really tough division but I find in so frustrating when our fantastic manager has to keep on saying that "We switched off for a moment" or that there was " Momentarily loss of focus". So does Harry Arter mean that perhaps one or two of our players are not re-paying the manager for the trust and loyalty that he has shown them. We are a good team still learning but the facts are that there are better teams than us who are not necessarily playing better football but most certainly are truly focused on the end objective. We need 100% concentration from our highly paid and cosseted players, thats what the fans expect and that in my view is what the management team deserve!
Not quite sure what Harry means with his quote “If a result doesn’t go for us one week it is not necessarily down to tactics, there are other reasons" What Harry doesn't identify is exactly what those other reasons are. There is no question that our boys have done ever so well in this really tough division but I find in so frustrating when our fantastic manager has to keep on saying that "We switched off for a moment" or that there was " Momentarily loss of focus". So does Harry Arter mean that perhaps one or two of our players are not re-paying the manager for the trust and loyalty that he has shown them. We are a good team still learning but the facts are that there are better teams than us who are not necessarily playing better football but most certainly are truly focused on the end objective. We need 100% concentration from our highly paid and cosseted players, thats what the fans expect and that in my view is what the management team deserve! socoolmichael

9:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

gtd says...

Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm.
I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more.
Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?
Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm. I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more. Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone? gtd

9:27am Tue 11 Feb 14

afcb-mark says...

gtd wrote:
Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm.
I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more.
Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?
Surman is a better player than Pitman, in my opinion. We keep going 1-0 down, last week 2-0 and then change to two forwards and drop Grabban back a bit. We then look very dangerous, so why not start with this formation instead of always reverting to it when we are playing catch-up.
[quote][p][bold]gtd[/bold] wrote: Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm. I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more. Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?[/p][/quote]Surman is a better player than Pitman, in my opinion. We keep going 1-0 down, last week 2-0 and then change to two forwards and drop Grabban back a bit. We then look very dangerous, so why not start with this formation instead of always reverting to it when we are playing catch-up. afcb-mark

9:32am Tue 11 Feb 14

coops1965cherry says...

gtd wrote:
Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm.
I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more.
Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?
Yes GTD but you are not Eddy Howe are you ?

While I respect everyone's opinion it is hard to see how anyone can be disappointed with the football we play and how long we have been doing it !

I appreciate that it may seem more attacking with two up front but seriously does anyone think we play negative football ?

We have just arrived in this division and most of the players have never ever played at this level, think about how brave that is to play the style of football we do while not really knowing how it was going to contend i8n this league.
As for Pitman and McQuoid, they are old hat I am afraid and will be lucky to get another contract. It is pointless having anyone on the bench unless they can come on and change a game, they clearly cannot do that anymore, certainly at this level.
Rantie and Kermorgant can do that.

We are very lucky to have a chairman that is prepared to have that sort of investment sat on the bench, these are amazing times and Eddy and Max are building for the future, get on board and enjoy the ride because there really is a revolution going on at our club and in the 37 years or so that I have been going it has never been better than this.

U T C I A D
[quote][p][bold]gtd[/bold] wrote: Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm. I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more. Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?[/p][/quote]Yes GTD but you are not Eddy Howe are you ? While I respect everyone's opinion it is hard to see how anyone can be disappointed with the football we play and how long we have been doing it ! I appreciate that it may seem more attacking with two up front but seriously does anyone think we play negative football ? We have just arrived in this division and most of the players have never ever played at this level, think about how brave that is to play the style of football we do while not really knowing how it was going to contend i8n this league. As for Pitman and McQuoid, they are old hat I am afraid and will be lucky to get another contract. It is pointless having anyone on the bench unless they can come on and change a game, they clearly cannot do that anymore, certainly at this level. Rantie and Kermorgant can do that. We are very lucky to have a chairman that is prepared to have that sort of investment sat on the bench, these are amazing times and Eddy and Max are building for the future, get on board and enjoy the ride because there really is a revolution going on at our club and in the 37 years or so that I have been going it has never been better than this. U T C I A D coops1965cherry

9:53am Tue 11 Feb 14

socoolmichael says...

I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.
I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand. socoolmichael

10:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

nonnogeppetto says...

It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples.

I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)
It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples. I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway) nonnogeppetto

10:26am Tue 11 Feb 14

bobsworthforever says...

Its all very well Barcelona Liverpool playing one up front what about Leicester City what about Burnley surely they play two up front but I don't think our back four are quite as good so as to enable us to surrender one player in midfield.Lets face it Leicester were nearly good enough for the play offs last season their strong enough to do it.i would prefer 442 but were doing OK careful what we wish for.
Its all very well Barcelona Liverpool playing one up front what about Leicester City what about Burnley surely they play two up front but I don't think our back four are quite as good so as to enable us to surrender one player in midfield.Lets face it Leicester were nearly good enough for the play offs last season their strong enough to do it.i would prefer 442 but were doing OK careful what we wish for. bobsworthforever

10:44am Tue 11 Feb 14

devon fan says...

nonnogeppetto wrote:
It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples.

I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)
how will they ever develop that understanding by just appearing for 20-25 minutes, we need to be braver in our team selection from the start, if Harry thinks that by playing one up front is the answer there is one way he can prove it , which is for him and his fellow midfielders to start scoring more goals
[quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples. I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)[/p][/quote]how will they ever develop that understanding by just appearing for 20-25 minutes, we need to be braver in our team selection from the start, if Harry thinks that by playing one up front is the answer there is one way he can prove it , which is for him and his fellow midfielders to start scoring more goals devon fan

11:18am Tue 11 Feb 14

nonnogeppetto says...

devon fan wrote:
nonnogeppetto wrote:
It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples.

I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)
how will they ever develop that understanding by just appearing for 20-25 minutes, we need to be braver in our team selection from the start, if Harry thinks that by playing one up front is the answer there is one way he can prove it , which is for him and his fellow midfielders to start scoring more goals
I don't disagree with you but the problem is that Eddie has to balance the ideal with reality. If they prove that they do it or show signs that they can do it when they come on as subs I am sure that EH would consider starting them. The trouble with experimenting in competitive games you can't rewind the tape and start again without paying the penalty ( i.e. losing games). Since he done more positives than negative we have to trust that he will get it right at the end.
[quote][p][bold]devon fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples. I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)[/p][/quote]how will they ever develop that understanding by just appearing for 20-25 minutes, we need to be braver in our team selection from the start, if Harry thinks that by playing one up front is the answer there is one way he can prove it , which is for him and his fellow midfielders to start scoring more goals[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with you but the problem is that Eddie has to balance the ideal with reality. If they prove that they do it or show signs that they can do it when they come on as subs I am sure that EH would consider starting them. The trouble with experimenting in competitive games you can't rewind the tape and start again without paying the penalty ( i.e. losing games). Since he done more positives than negative we have to trust that he will get it right at the end. nonnogeppetto

11:21am Tue 11 Feb 14

Solentcherry says...

"Other reasons" Harry ?
Could they be not clinically putting away the numerous chances we are creating with our undoubted attractive passing game ? We must have hit the post or hit the ball over the bar or narrowly wide dozens of times. Visiting goalies seem perform heroics against us (very frustrating). Also it seems we make one pass too many when in shooting positions on the edge of the box.
We should have been one up before Bolton scored on Saturday but the chance was missed, what a big difference that might have made to the outcome. Bad luck or ??.
Yes we are in the best position and playing the best football with the best young manager for years, and enjoying the ride, but the bottom line is WE NEED TO SCORE MORE GOALS THAN WE CONCEDE.
This is not moaning, but expressing frustration in wanting your team to be as good as you think they can be. (Nonno, surprised at you).
"Other reasons" Harry ? Could they be not clinically putting away the numerous chances we are creating with our undoubted attractive passing game ? We must have hit the post or hit the ball over the bar or narrowly wide dozens of times. Visiting goalies seem perform heroics against us (very frustrating). Also it seems we make one pass too many when in shooting positions on the edge of the box. We should have been one up before Bolton scored on Saturday but the chance was missed, what a big difference that might have made to the outcome. Bad luck or ??. Yes we are in the best position and playing the best football with the best young manager for years, and enjoying the ride, but the bottom line is WE NEED TO SCORE MORE GOALS THAN WE CONCEDE. This is not moaning, but expressing frustration in wanting your team to be as good as you think they can be. (Nonno, surprised at you). Solentcherry

11:23am Tue 11 Feb 14

coops1965cherry says...

socoolmichael wrote:
I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.
Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football.
it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result !

I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system.

I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient.

U T C I A D.
[quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.[/p][/quote]Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football. it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result ! I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system. I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient. U T C I A D. coops1965cherry

12:31pm Tue 11 Feb 14

sea poole says...

I really think many clubs have rumbled our formation. It's like having a plan A but not sure about a Plan B
I really think many clubs have rumbled our formation. It's like having a plan A but not sure about a Plan B sea poole

1:34pm Tue 11 Feb 14

60's cherries fan says...

coops1965cherry wrote:
gtd wrote:
Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm.
I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more.
Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?
Yes GTD but you are not Eddy Howe are you ?

While I respect everyone's opinion it is hard to see how anyone can be disappointed with the football we play and how long we have been doing it !

I appreciate that it may seem more attacking with two up front but seriously does anyone think we play negative football ?

We have just arrived in this division and most of the players have never ever played at this level, think about how brave that is to play the style of football we do while not really knowing how it was going to contend i8n this league.
As for Pitman and McQuoid, they are old hat I am afraid and will be lucky to get another contract. It is pointless having anyone on the bench unless they can come on and change a game, they clearly cannot do that anymore, certainly at this level.
Rantie and Kermorgant can do that.

We are very lucky to have a chairman that is prepared to have that sort of investment sat on the bench, these are amazing times and Eddy and Max are building for the future, get on board and enjoy the ride because there really is a revolution going on at our club and in the 37 years or so that I have been going it has never been better than this.

U T C I A D
Could not agree more with coops1965cherry, an excellent post!!
[quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gtd[/bold] wrote: Why if one up front is so great did we buy Rantie an Kermorgant? Pitman and McQuoid are perfectly capable of keeping a bench warm. I take the point made in the first post that our midfielders should score more. Let me see, Pitman has 7 goals and doesn't play; Surman has none but plays every game: does this make sense to anyone?[/p][/quote]Yes GTD but you are not Eddy Howe are you ? While I respect everyone's opinion it is hard to see how anyone can be disappointed with the football we play and how long we have been doing it ! I appreciate that it may seem more attacking with two up front but seriously does anyone think we play negative football ? We have just arrived in this division and most of the players have never ever played at this level, think about how brave that is to play the style of football we do while not really knowing how it was going to contend i8n this league. As for Pitman and McQuoid, they are old hat I am afraid and will be lucky to get another contract. It is pointless having anyone on the bench unless they can come on and change a game, they clearly cannot do that anymore, certainly at this level. Rantie and Kermorgant can do that. We are very lucky to have a chairman that is prepared to have that sort of investment sat on the bench, these are amazing times and Eddy and Max are building for the future, get on board and enjoy the ride because there really is a revolution going on at our club and in the 37 years or so that I have been going it has never been better than this. U T C I A D[/p][/quote]Could not agree more with coops1965cherry, an excellent post!! 60's cherries fan

2:20pm Tue 11 Feb 14

devon fan says...

coops1965cherry wrote:
socoolmichael wrote:
I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.
Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football.
it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result !

I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system.

I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient.

U T C I A D.
why is there the feeling that you cannot play good football playing two up front I do feel that Eddie Howe has the makings of being a good manager but I do have issues with some of the things he does, his continued playing one up front however you disguise it , it is a negative move designed to give the back four more protection but considering the goals we concede I would question whether this is working, also I do not like the way that some of the players appear to be frozen out, Addison, Thomas, Tubbs, Mcqoid, McDerott, Jahal, are just a few if he does not want these players then pay off their contracts , I stress this is my own personal view and I do not expect other people to agree with me or worry if they dont, but the proof is there, having said I do believe that Eddie will come good and go on to bigger things, he just needs to be a little more flexible
[quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.[/p][/quote]Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football. it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result ! I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system. I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient. U T C I A D.[/p][/quote]why is there the feeling that you cannot play good football playing two up front I do feel that Eddie Howe has the makings of being a good manager but I do have issues with some of the things he does, his continued playing one up front however you disguise it , it is a negative move designed to give the back four more protection but considering the goals we concede I would question whether this is working, also I do not like the way that some of the players appear to be frozen out, Addison, Thomas, Tubbs, Mcqoid, McDerott, Jahal, are just a few if he does not want these players then pay off their contracts , I stress this is my own personal view and I do not expect other people to agree with me or worry if they dont, but the proof is there, having said I do believe that Eddie will come good and go on to bigger things, he just needs to be a little more flexible devon fan

3:42pm Tue 11 Feb 14

DCJohn says...

devon fan wrote:
coops1965cherry wrote:
socoolmichael wrote:
I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.
Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football.
it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result !

I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system.

I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient.

U T C I A D.
why is there the feeling that you cannot play good football playing two up front I do feel that Eddie Howe has the makings of being a good manager but I do have issues with some of the things he does, his continued playing one up front however you disguise it , it is a negative move designed to give the back four more protection but considering the goals we concede I would question whether this is working, also I do not like the way that some of the players appear to be frozen out, Addison, Thomas, Tubbs, Mcqoid, McDerott, Jahal, are just a few if he does not want these players then pay off their contracts , I stress this is my own personal view and I do not expect other people to agree with me or worry if they dont, but the proof is there, having said I do believe that Eddie will come good and go on to bigger things, he just needs to be a little more flexible
I can't understand how you deem our tactics as negative, or how you think playing two upfront would improve our performances or results?

Our current formation allows us to play three creative midfield players, two wingers, and a striker. We are just extremely fortunate in the fact that we have a creative midfielder in O'Kane, who is also very competent at screening the back four.

If we were to switch formation and play two upfront, sacrificing someone from central midfield, it would seriously limit the time and space our midfielders would have on the ball, and also have a negative impact on the area of the pitch in which they have the ball. This would in turn have a negative impact on the number of chances we were able to create.

I think most people will agree, that creating chances is not our main problem, in most games, but it is our finishing that lets us down?

Playing two upfront definitely has its place as a back up tactic, but I can only ever see it being implemented when we are chasing a game, and when the game is more stretched.
[quote][p][bold]devon fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.[/p][/quote]Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football. it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result ! I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system. I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient. U T C I A D.[/p][/quote]why is there the feeling that you cannot play good football playing two up front I do feel that Eddie Howe has the makings of being a good manager but I do have issues with some of the things he does, his continued playing one up front however you disguise it , it is a negative move designed to give the back four more protection but considering the goals we concede I would question whether this is working, also I do not like the way that some of the players appear to be frozen out, Addison, Thomas, Tubbs, Mcqoid, McDerott, Jahal, are just a few if he does not want these players then pay off their contracts , I stress this is my own personal view and I do not expect other people to agree with me or worry if they dont, but the proof is there, having said I do believe that Eddie will come good and go on to bigger things, he just needs to be a little more flexible[/p][/quote]I can't understand how you deem our tactics as negative, or how you think playing two upfront would improve our performances or results? Our current formation allows us to play three creative midfield players, two wingers, and a striker. We are just extremely fortunate in the fact that we have a creative midfielder in O'Kane, who is also very competent at screening the back four. If we were to switch formation and play two upfront, sacrificing someone from central midfield, it would seriously limit the time and space our midfielders would have on the ball, and also have a negative impact on the area of the pitch in which they have the ball. This would in turn have a negative impact on the number of chances we were able to create. I think most people will agree, that creating chances is not our main problem, in most games, but it is our finishing that lets us down? Playing two upfront definitely has its place as a back up tactic, but I can only ever see it being implemented when we are chasing a game, and when the game is more stretched. DCJohn

4:05pm Tue 11 Feb 14

xslee says...

People also need to realise that changing formations like this are not going to suddenly result in us winning every game, nor will it result in us doubling our goals tally. We are in our first season in what is a very strong division, and many of the teams we play against are - dare I say it - better than us, and with one or two exceptions every game between now and the end of the season is going to be tough, and we will need to be at our absolute best to get results.

We're better placed in the league than most fans would have imagined at the beginning of the season, and are playing some great football along the way. We're a work in progress this season, next season is when we'll start scoring a few more goals, and moving up the table.
People also need to realise that changing formations like this are not going to suddenly result in us winning every game, nor will it result in us doubling our goals tally. We are in our first season in what is a very strong division, and many of the teams we play against are - dare I say it - better than us, and with one or two exceptions every game between now and the end of the season is going to be tough, and we will need to be at our absolute best to get results. We're better placed in the league than most fans would have imagined at the beginning of the season, and are playing some great football along the way. We're a work in progress this season, next season is when we'll start scoring a few more goals, and moving up the table. xslee

4:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

abc100 says...

DCJohn wrote:
devon fan wrote:
coops1965cherry wrote:
socoolmichael wrote: I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.
Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football. it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result ! I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system. I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient. U T C I A D.
why is there the feeling that you cannot play good football playing two up front I do feel that Eddie Howe has the makings of being a good manager but I do have issues with some of the things he does, his continued playing one up front however you disguise it , it is a negative move designed to give the back four more protection but considering the goals we concede I would question whether this is working, also I do not like the way that some of the players appear to be frozen out, Addison, Thomas, Tubbs, Mcqoid, McDerott, Jahal, are just a few if he does not want these players then pay off their contracts , I stress this is my own personal view and I do not expect other people to agree with me or worry if they dont, but the proof is there, having said I do believe that Eddie will come good and go on to bigger things, he just needs to be a little more flexible
I can't understand how you deem our tactics as negative, or how you think playing two upfront would improve our performances or results? Our current formation allows us to play three creative midfield players, two wingers, and a striker. We are just extremely fortunate in the fact that we have a creative midfielder in O'Kane, who is also very competent at screening the back four. If we were to switch formation and play two upfront, sacrificing someone from central midfield, it would seriously limit the time and space our midfielders would have on the ball, and also have a negative impact on the area of the pitch in which they have the ball. This would in turn have a negative impact on the number of chances we were able to create. I think most people will agree, that creating chances is not our main problem, in most games, but it is our finishing that lets us down? Playing two upfront definitely has its place as a back up tactic, but I can only ever see it being implemented when we are chasing a game, and when the game is more stretched.
I agree, we create a lot of chances because of the system we play, the problem we have is converting the chances into goals, it's up to our midfield who have the license to get into the box which they do seem reluctant to do, that said our first season in the championship has so far been largely successful, but as always things we can always improve on
[quote][p][bold]DCJohn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devon fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]coops1965cherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]socoolmichael[/bold] wrote: I think that most AFC fans would agree with 'Coops' but the point that I was trying to make in my earlier post was simply that there seems to be one or two players for AFC who are not performing as that should and therefore are letting the fans and their managers loyalty to them down. No Likey, No New Contract! They have seen new players coming in which should be sounding warning bells to them so now is the time to buck up and give that !00% concentration and focus that this division, the fans and the management team demand.[/p][/quote]Fair point Sir but it is sometimes difficult for a lot of people to differentiate between being a good team and the team that plays better football. it goes back to winning at all costs, throwing your beliefs and your mandate out of the window just to get a result ! I am not sure that most AFCB fans want that but there are a vocal few that would scrap our total football policy for a kick and run system. I am not saying that about any of the comments on here, however I do hear them every week at Dean Court and frankly they need to open their eyes and maybe be a little more patient. U T C I A D.[/p][/quote]why is there the feeling that you cannot play good football playing two up front I do feel that Eddie Howe has the makings of being a good manager but I do have issues with some of the things he does, his continued playing one up front however you disguise it , it is a negative move designed to give the back four more protection but considering the goals we concede I would question whether this is working, also I do not like the way that some of the players appear to be frozen out, Addison, Thomas, Tubbs, Mcqoid, McDerott, Jahal, are just a few if he does not want these players then pay off their contracts , I stress this is my own personal view and I do not expect other people to agree with me or worry if they dont, but the proof is there, having said I do believe that Eddie will come good and go on to bigger things, he just needs to be a little more flexible[/p][/quote]I can't understand how you deem our tactics as negative, or how you think playing two upfront would improve our performances or results? Our current formation allows us to play three creative midfield players, two wingers, and a striker. We are just extremely fortunate in the fact that we have a creative midfielder in O'Kane, who is also very competent at screening the back four. If we were to switch formation and play two upfront, sacrificing someone from central midfield, it would seriously limit the time and space our midfielders would have on the ball, and also have a negative impact on the area of the pitch in which they have the ball. This would in turn have a negative impact on the number of chances we were able to create. I think most people will agree, that creating chances is not our main problem, in most games, but it is our finishing that lets us down? Playing two upfront definitely has its place as a back up tactic, but I can only ever see it being implemented when we are chasing a game, and when the game is more stretched.[/p][/quote]I agree, we create a lot of chances because of the system we play, the problem we have is converting the chances into goals, it's up to our midfield who have the license to get into the box which they do seem reluctant to do, that said our first season in the championship has so far been largely successful, but as always things we can always improve on abc100

8:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

raybren says...

Ritchie , Pugh , Fraser , Rantie , Arter and O ' Kane combined have scored 4 more than Grabban ! Over to you guys !
Ritchie , Pugh , Fraser , Rantie , Arter and O ' Kane combined have scored 4 more than Grabban ! Over to you guys ! raybren

9:02pm Tue 11 Feb 14

afcbcrackerjack says...

harry just play football
harry just play football afcbcrackerjack

9:36pm Tue 11 Feb 14

stanlake says...

We can all appreciate the great strides made under EH's stewardship but we wouldn't be fans if we didn't think things could be done differently. However, there are no doubt background issues which affect the play and tactics. Perhaps EH could persuade the Echo to desist in calling players 'stars' and 'marvels' as it is these very ones who seem to turn in substandard performances, at least in the home matches which I watch.
We can all appreciate the great strides made under EH's stewardship but we wouldn't be fans if we didn't think things could be done differently. However, there are no doubt background issues which affect the play and tactics. Perhaps EH could persuade the Echo to desist in calling players 'stars' and 'marvels' as it is these very ones who seem to turn in substandard performances, at least in the home matches which I watch. stanlake

10:40am Wed 12 Feb 14

cheeriedriteup says...

nonnogeppetto wrote:
devon fan wrote:
nonnogeppetto wrote:
It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples.

I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)
how will they ever develop that understanding by just appearing for 20-25 minutes, we need to be braver in our team selection from the start, if Harry thinks that by playing one up front is the answer there is one way he can prove it , which is for him and his fellow midfielders to start scoring more goals
I don't disagree with you but the problem is that Eddie has to balance the ideal with reality. If they prove that they do it or show signs that they can do it when they come on as subs I am sure that EH would consider starting them. The trouble with experimenting in competitive games you can't rewind the tape and start again without paying the penalty ( i.e. losing games). Since he done more positives than negative we have to trust that he will get it right at the end.
EH is to wise to play any maverick moves, his mission is to survive and maintain the status in this league, I'm sure there will be plenty of off season games and a possible tour that he will experiment with no detriment to the league table
[quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]devon fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nonnogeppetto[/bold] wrote: It is interesting that clubs with good partnerships up front (regardless of whether they play one or two up front) seem to score goals at will. Suarez and Sturridge at Liverpool Ings and Vokes at Burnley are good examples. I am sure that EH has the same thing in mind with KT and Yann however it is not going to happen after one or two games they need to develop an understanding and rely on each other to pass the ball at the right time and in the right place. I am prepared to give EH that time and I look forward to next season when our team has matured and got used to play as a team they are improving each week. Just get behind them instead of being moaning (some of you anyway)[/p][/quote]how will they ever develop that understanding by just appearing for 20-25 minutes, we need to be braver in our team selection from the start, if Harry thinks that by playing one up front is the answer there is one way he can prove it , which is for him and his fellow midfielders to start scoring more goals[/p][/quote]I don't disagree with you but the problem is that Eddie has to balance the ideal with reality. If they prove that they do it or show signs that they can do it when they come on as subs I am sure that EH would consider starting them. The trouble with experimenting in competitive games you can't rewind the tape and start again without paying the penalty ( i.e. losing games). Since he done more positives than negative we have to trust that he will get it right at the end.[/p][/quote]EH is to wise to play any maverick moves, his mission is to survive and maintain the status in this league, I'm sure there will be plenty of off season games and a possible tour that he will experiment with no detriment to the league table cheeriedriteup

2:37pm Wed 12 Feb 14

jontee says...

The plain fact is Eddie can't afford to play 2 up front because the defence is so weak. Even as it is we are the 2nd worse defence in the league on goals conceded. Eddie made this mistake a s rookie manager in league 2. He's not going to repeat it in the Championship is he ?
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The concern I had when we signed Kermit was that we would use him as an impact player and that is happening. It's even tougher on Pitman who should be starting in my view. A huge priority is to strengthen the defence and get a real ball winner in midfield. Then we could play 4-4-2 as plan A.
These 2 are our best strikers. Sort out the defence so they can play together. Get rid of Rante, and move Grabban to midfield. Now there's a midfielder who can score !
The plain fact is Eddie can't afford to play 2 up front because the defence is so weak. Even as it is we are the 2nd worse defence in the league on goals conceded. Eddie made this mistake a s rookie manager in league 2. He's not going to repeat it in the Championship is he ? . The concern I had when we signed Kermit was that we would use him as an impact player and that is happening. It's even tougher on Pitman who should be starting in my view. A huge priority is to strengthen the defence and get a real ball winner in midfield. Then we could play 4-4-2 as plan A. These 2 are our best strikers. Sort out the defence so they can play together. Get rid of Rante, and move Grabban to midfield. Now there's a midfielder who can score ! jontee

3:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

a real supporter says...

In your view Pitman should be starting! Clearly you have not seen him play in this division. He is one dimensional, well off the pace and his crossing and corners are dreadful. Did you miss the signing of Adam Smith to strengthen the defence?. Finally, move Grabben, our top scorer, to midfield! You are an absolute genius and I sincerely hope Eddie is reading this forum for your incredible insight and tactical nous.
In your view Pitman should be starting! Clearly you have not seen him play in this division. He is one dimensional, well off the pace and his crossing and corners are dreadful. Did you miss the signing of Adam Smith to strengthen the defence?. Finally, move Grabben, our top scorer, to midfield! You are an absolute genius and I sincerely hope Eddie is reading this forum for your incredible insight and tactical nous. a real supporter

4:06pm Wed 12 Feb 14

abc100 says...

a real supporter wrote:
In your view Pitman should be starting! Clearly you have not seen him play in this division. He is one dimensional, well off the pace and his crossing and corners are dreadful. Did you miss the signing of Adam Smith to strengthen the defence?. Finally, move Grabben, our top scorer, to midfield! You are an absolute genius and I sincerely hope Eddie is reading this forum for your incredible insight and tactical nous.
I agree that Pitman shouldn't start for us on this seasons performances, but those performances were not him playing as a forward they were him being asked to play a different position, I will judge him as a forward and not a midfielder
[quote][p][bold]a real supporter[/bold] wrote: In your view Pitman should be starting! Clearly you have not seen him play in this division. He is one dimensional, well off the pace and his crossing and corners are dreadful. Did you miss the signing of Adam Smith to strengthen the defence?. Finally, move Grabben, our top scorer, to midfield! You are an absolute genius and I sincerely hope Eddie is reading this forum for your incredible insight and tactical nous.[/p][/quote]I agree that Pitman shouldn't start for us on this seasons performances, but those performances were not him playing as a forward they were him being asked to play a different position, I will judge him as a forward and not a midfielder abc100

5:52pm Wed 12 Feb 14

golfer33 says...

Nice entertaining comments for once, keep it up.lads
We are safe in mid table now
Lets see what happens now we have TK and Jann
Nice entertaining comments for once, keep it up.lads We are safe in mid table now Lets see what happens now we have TK and Jann golfer33

5:17pm Fri 14 Feb 14

ReluctantNicko says...

With the amount of money Bournemouth have spent this season, you should be in the top half of the table.

£2.5 million for Rantie and top wage for the likes of Ward, Harte and Kermogant. After QPR & Forest, the Cherries are the worst offenders against FFP rules.

Grabban stayed at B'mouth because they are paying BIGGER wages than Brighton who average 25,000 each home game.
With the amount of money Bournemouth have spent this season, you should be in the top half of the table. £2.5 million for Rantie and top wage for the likes of Ward, Harte and Kermogant. After QPR & Forest, the Cherries are the worst offenders against FFP rules. Grabban stayed at B'mouth because they are paying BIGGER wages than Brighton who average 25,000 each home game. ReluctantNicko

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