ERASED: Bournemouth cafe scrubs disgraced Jimmy Savile's name from its history (From Bournemouth Echo)
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ERASED: Bournemouth cafe scrubs disgraced Jimmy Savile's name from its history
8:23am Thursday 11th October 2012 in News By Stephen Bailey
ERASED: Bournemouth cafe scrubs disgraced Jimmy Savile's name from its history
A BOURNEMOUTH cafe is removing disgraced Jimmy Savile’s name from its history.
Norwegian Wood’s menus stated the business was once owned by the TV presenter and former Bournemouth resident.
He worked at nightclubs nearby and was an occasional visitor to the cafe – but has now been branded a “predatory sex offender” by police over allegations he slept with dozens of underage girls.
Lindsey Webb, 52, owner of the Glen Fern Road cafe, said: “At the time we didn’t think anything of it, it was like ‘Oh, it’s Jimmy Savile’. Now it’s like ‘Oh my God!’ ”
She believed Savile owned the whole block when it was a nightclub complex during the 1960s and 70s.
She said: “He definitely would have been our landlord.
“We were thinking about doing a new menu and we would probably not put him on in it.
“He was always very pleasant when he was in here.
“He would sit in the corner with his hood up and you wouldn’t know who he was. The last time he was here a few years ago he sat outside with his chain and quite a few people were taking pictures.
“He said to me he was gutted that it was so quiet along there now, like a ghost town. In hindsight you look and think ‘Oh dear, what was he doing?’ “It’s a shame. He did so much work for charity and that’s how we looked at him then, really.”
Staff at the neighbouring Ambassador Snooker Club and Laser Quest also said they understood Savile had formerly owned the basement nightclub complex.
Savile bought a flat on Bournemouth’s East Cliff and moved in during April 1972.
He kept the flat and visited occasionally and it was reportedly sold for charity when he died in 2011, aged 84.
He worked as a public relations consultant for the Maison Royale/Le Cardinal nightlclub complex on Glen Fern Road from 1973 until 1978.
While publicising a charity telethon he told the Echo in 1990: “I’m not good at all. My word, I am very, very bad. Goodness gracious, yes.”
He claimed in interviews he was saving the Bournemouth flat for ‘old age’.
Meanwhile, his elaborate headstone is due to be broken up and sent to landfill at the request of his family. It has already been removed from the Woodlands Cemetery in Scarborough out of “respect to public opinion”.
Scotland Yard has formally recorded eight criminal allegations and four other forces are investigating – Surrey, Sussex, Northamptonshire and Jersey.
The Metropolitan Police said it was not able to comment on whether any alleged offences took place in Bournemouth.
Comments(95)
Humf
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8:39am Thu 11 Oct 12
Old Harry
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8:59am Thu 11 Oct 12
Humf wrote:.... and to be innocent until proven guilty.
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
Bmth 65
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9:05am Thu 11 Oct 12
Humf wrote:....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
rudolph_hucker
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9:12am Thu 11 Oct 12
Humf wrote:dig him up
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
sell his gold coffin
he neither needs or deserves it
_mooch_
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9:14am Thu 11 Oct 12
_mooch_
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9:15am Thu 11 Oct 12
The Liberal
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9:31am Thu 11 Oct 12
Old Harry wrote:Now then, now then, how's that going to happen? He's hardly going to be up in court now, is he? I'd say the evidence revealed so far is pretty overwhelming.
Humf wrote:.... and to be innocent until proven guilty.
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
drJones
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9:47am Thu 11 Oct 12
BournemouthMum
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9:49am Thu 11 Oct 12
Bmth 65 wrote:I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon.
Humf wrote:....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.
jeebuscripes
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9:49am Thu 11 Oct 12
This defies logic.
The Liberal
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10:46am Thu 11 Oct 12
BournemouthMum wrote:FGS are you seriously suggesting that grown women are making completely false allegations? Yet you'll lap up all the Tory slurs about benefits claimants without requiring so much a shred of evidence. That just about says it all.
Bmth 65 wrote:I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon.
Humf wrote:....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.
Bmth 65
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11:34am Thu 11 Oct 12
The Liberal wrote:So you want to discredit media slurs against benefit claimants, (perhaps because you claim benefits and can defend the slurs....and I'm not judging people who claim benefits) but you believe media slurs against a person who has died and cannot defend themselves. Says a lot about the type of person you are really !!
BournemouthMum wrote:FGS are you seriously suggesting that grown women are making completely false allegations? Yet you'll lap up all the Tory slurs about benefits claimants without requiring so much a shred of evidence. That just about says it all.
Bmth 65 wrote:I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon.
Humf wrote:....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.
I'm not suggesting for one minute that these women have made false allegations in this case. I do not know them or the specific details of what they claim happened, but it wouldn't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last time that grown women (or men) have been found guilty of making false allegations when it comes to this type of thing now is it ?
All I am saying is that it is far easier to make an allegation when somebody is not here to defend themselves, so there will obviously be questions asked as to why wait until now!
Unfortunately IF it is proven that they have made false allegations, or indeed allegations that cannot be proven, all the media will have done is to make it harder for the real victims of this type of appalling crime to gain credibility and justice in the future.
Justin666
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11:38am Thu 11 Oct 12
buickboy
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12:14pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Bmth 65 wrote:Totally agree with your sentiments, never understood and will never forgive peadophillia.
Humf wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
This morning however the BBC were interviewing the writer/producer/what
ever of the latest film glorifying Michael Jackson, one of the most famous alleged peado's in the world.
Some believe the only reason he was never charged is because he allegedly paid people off.
Meanwhile Savilles' gravestones etc. are reportedly removed and destroyed which must have been devastating to his family, who after all are innocents here.
Are the powers that be going to start investigating Jacksons' past again ?
I think not--double standards or what ? The whole thing disgusts me.
Azphreal
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12:14pm Thu 11 Oct 12
The Liberal
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12:24pm Thu 11 Oct 12
The Liberal
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12:27pm Thu 11 Oct 12
And it's hardly the job of the UK police to investigate Michael Jackson, so why are they guilty of double standards?
Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:28pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Bmth 65 wrote:ARE YOU SERIOUS??????
Humf wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
jeebuscripes
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12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12
jeebuscripes
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12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12
a.g.o.g.
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12:32pm Thu 11 Oct 12
and likely jaring a few memories in the process.
There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:32pm Thu 11 Oct 12
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muscliffman
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12:33pm Thu 11 Oct 12
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:34pm Thu 11 Oct 12
a.g.o.g. wrote:Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
"Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
The Renegade Master
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12:34pm Thu 11 Oct 12
LetcommonsenseprevaiQuite right.
l wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls!
Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:37pm Thu 11 Oct 12
BournemouthMum
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12:50pm Thu 11 Oct 12
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
LadyAbbie
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1:13pm Thu 11 Oct 12
hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!!
Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!!
a.g.o.g.
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1:18pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Letcommonsenseprevainot if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems...
l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
scrumpyjack
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1:29pm Thu 11 Oct 12
The Renegade Master wrote:Just spat a little spit out laughing at that.
LetcommonsenseprevaiQuite right.
l wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls!
Luckily no one saw.
muscliffman
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1:33pm Thu 11 Oct 12
BournemouthMum wrote:You are right - for those Savile victims at the time underage and non-consenting - it is their decision to go 'public'.
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Although it is also evident that if the Savile 'victims' were not underage (and possibly consented) this is being glossed over by some media to deliberately 'suggest' quite the opposite.
The biggest problem is those he perhaps never even met, who are going to the all too eager Press for their own purposes. Sadly it is inevitable that some examples of these are already detracting from the facts, but which ones?
PokesdownMark
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1:50pm Thu 11 Oct 12
I've always thought that at some point, perhaps within one more generation all child abuse would become extremely hazardous because the social pressures on the victims to maintain silence would be eliminated. I can see pieces of that coming together today.
nonnogeppetto
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2:24pm Thu 11 Oct 12
The Renegade Master wrote:Renegade Master you are needed on the sports page and not here!!!!!!!
LetcommonsenseprevaiQuite right.
l wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls!
From time to time I also suffer with dyslexic fingers when using the keyboard.
As for JS best left to the Judiciary system the kind we have seen for the Liverpool Supporters.
BarrHumbug
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2:42pm Thu 11 Oct 12
It wouldn't surprise me if they go to open up tomorrow morning to find their cafe blazoned in derogatory graffiti?
Dorset Logic
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2:44pm Thu 11 Oct 12
12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?
Absolutely - JS was not Norwegian
bobsworthforever
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2:51pm Thu 11 Oct 12
hammer
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2:52pm Thu 11 Oct 12
BarrHumbug
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2:54pm Thu 11 Oct 12
jeebuscripes wrote:I don't understand, Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like ironing?
Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?
O'Reilly
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3:07pm Thu 11 Oct 12
tryinghard1234
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3:10pm Thu 11 Oct 12
worberin
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3:58pm Thu 11 Oct 12
rudolph_hucker
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4:26pm Thu 11 Oct 12
worberin wrote:Yeah. I guess he touched a lot of people....
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
Redgolfer00
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4:32pm Thu 11 Oct 12
hamworthygirl
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4:33pm Thu 11 Oct 12
LadyAbbie wrote:Such a sad and thoughtful post, you are sp right in all you say. People at the time could not speak up as they were young or disabled and felt threatened. As the man said this morning from the RSPCC when one person speaks out it spurs on others. I wish you the best of luck and peace for the rest of your life.
I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t
hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!!
Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!!
Fred Luton
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5:00pm Thu 11 Oct 12
BournemouthMum wrote:Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
rudolph_hucker
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5:36pm Thu 11 Oct 12
A dirty old man who likes underage girls
alasdair1967
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5:48pm Thu 11 Oct 12
If these allegations are proven I'm of the opinion that any honor bestowed to Saville should be removed forthwith,if all the allegations against him are true it will make him britains biggest serial abuser ever ,however there are people who must have tried to cover up his actions and these people should be held accountable as well ,I do feel for his family as they have to come to terms with this horror that there flesh and blood have put others through ,
Letcommonsenseprevail
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5:54pm Thu 11 Oct 12
a.g.o.g. wrote:What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?
Letcommonsenseprevainot if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems...
l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
nosuchluck54
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5:54pm Thu 11 Oct 12
alasdair1967 wrote:Completely agree with you,but do you really think if the allegations are true that none of his family had any inclination of what was going on
It saddens me to write these comments as when alive jimmy Saville was a natIonal icon who worked tirelessly to raise over 40 million pounds for charity ,(note I used the words was and did not use his title)
If these allegations are proven I'm of the opinion that any honor bestowed to Saville should be removed forthwith,if all the allegations against him are true it will make him britains biggest serial abuser ever ,however there are people who must have tried to cover up his actions and these people should be held accountable as well ,I do feel for his family as they have to come to terms with this horror that there flesh and blood have put others through ,
Letcommonsenseprevail
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5:57pm Thu 11 Oct 12
worberin wrote:Oh, that makes it alright then. Silly me, I didn't realise the judicial system had variances based on how much you raise for charity. Bill Gates, bob Geldof, Ian Botham, etc, etc, therefore truly untouchable.........
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
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Letcommonsenseprevail
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5:57pm Thu 11 Oct 12
worberin wrote:Oh, that makes it alright then. Silly me, I didn't realise the judicial system had variances based on how much you raise for charity. Bill Gates, bob Geldof, Ian Botham, etc, etc, therefore truly untouchable.........
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
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Letcommonsenseprevail
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5:57pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Fred Luton wrote:No kidding......
BournemouthMum wrote:Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
BournemouthMum
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6:36pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Fred Luton wrote:That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.
BournemouthMum wrote:Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
mmm2008
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7:01pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Was Charlie
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Why didn't they come forward before? Are you deaf and blind to what people like Sandy Tocksvig have said? She has said that she was groped and when she reported it was asked "Didn't you like it then? Are you a lesbian?" The fact that she is, is beside the point. Liz Kershaw has also said she was groped by a well-known DJ while at the BBC but it was treated as a joke and that that was the climate at the BBC at the time.
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Those who have reported what JS did to them (true or not) were dismissed as fantasists and liers. Others have said they didn't tell anyone because they were frightened to say anything because he was so famous. Understandable.
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LadyAbbie has described very well why the abused don't come forward until something gives them courage to do so. LadyAbbie are very brave to tell your story here and I hope the psychological scars are bearable.
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I don't know if JS is guilty or not, but I'm trusting those who are experienced in investigating this type of thing to get it right and come to a definite decision. All they'll be able to do is produce a report.
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I also hope that they prosecute those who are still alive and are proven to be guilty of paedophilia.
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mmm2008
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7:15pm Thu 11 Oct 12
BournemouthMum wrote:more than a possibility!!! A lot of people of "good standing" are found to be sex offenders are they entered those very professions in order to be allowed access to children and not be suspected of abuse, i.e. priests, social workers, teachers, carers of vulnerable children, foster carers etc. It is highly probable that a man with the career and alleged inclination towards sexually abusing children would have entered his job and high profile charity work for exactly the same reasons. And the evidence is here - in that there are people commenting on articles such as this, and hundreds of others across the media, saying things such as "but he raised such as lot for charity", "he helped so many people", "he can't be all bad" etc. His plan worked?!
Fred Luton wrote:That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.
BournemouthMum wrote:Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Gastines2
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8:45pm Thu 11 Oct 12
While I'm amazed at all the claims coming out now,especially by the nurses at Stoke Mandevill Hospital and various members of the B.B.C. I wonder why no-one confronted the issue for the benefit of those abused at the time?
However a the other end of the scale,when you are young and look up to these figures with some sort of awe or even respect,I feel you should believe you are safe from the predators that seem to inhabit every form of human life . Having once been in a home in my junior days I did come across similar behaviour from the housemaster,fortunat
ely discouraged by me but they definately know who to pick and exactly who do you complain to? I can imagine the response if I'd pointed out to the Nuns who ran the place what was going on. Thinking back,60 years ago, I would probably have been to shy and embarrassed to even find the words to explain.Plenty to think about but no-one to pay any penalties!!
andydixon
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BournemouthMum
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He Touched So Many......
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10:06pm Thu 11 Oct 12
No wonder he was buried at a 45 degree angle, he was so warped!
And as for the allegations of what he got up to in hospital mortuaries!!! Small wonder indeed that the nurses at Stoke Mandeville advised small children to 'pretend they were asleep' to avoid his attentions on the wards...if they had pretended they were dead, who knows what he might have done to them!
Someone should ring up the Pope ( (011) 39-6-6988-4217 - terms and conditions may apply) and get his Papal Knighthood removed at once!
spooki
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10:08pm Thu 11 Oct 12
LetcommonsenseprevaiOh, now I liked him. What's he doing these days I wonder?
l wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
spooki
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10:12pm Thu 11 Oct 12
rudolph_hucker wrote:Oh dear...
worberin wrote:Yeah. I guess he touched a lot of people....
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
He Touched So Many......
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He Touched So Many......
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Redgolfer00 wrote:so he was into tax avoidance schemes too.....saints be praised!
He never owned the whole building, he was as Mr.Carr is now, just a consultant to both Maison Royal and Le Cardinal with H.G. Walker as owner and 1977, I worked as a DJ in Le Cardinal on Thursday Celebration night, proper disco then ah what memories, LOL
He Touched So Many......
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muscliffman
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10:31pm Thu 11 Oct 12
That lady claiming to be Savile's daughter - gone a bit quiet lately?
a.g.o.g.
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10:42pm Thu 11 Oct 12
Letcommonsenseprevaiwached what happened exactly?
l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
buickboy
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11:16pm Thu 11 Oct 12
The Liberal wrote:missed the point again mate, no wonder you're a liberal, if I have to explain you won't get it
@buickboy Why does the police investigation disgust you? It's not just Savile's actions they're investigating, you know – others may well have been involved. And it's hardly the job of the UK police to investigate Michael Jackson, so why are they guilty of double standards?
He Touched So Many......
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He Touched So Many......
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11:49pm Thu 11 Oct 12
He Touched So Many...... wrote:..and a healing tongue.....
..and to think he just told the Pope he had 'healing hands'......
He Touched So Many......
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'I once had a girl.......'
Creep.
Redgolfer00
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2:16am Fri 12 Oct 12
He Touched So Many...... wrote:How do you phone Mr. Walker up as he has been DEAD some time, in my time never saw Savile there but worked under his manager and to complete the opening line of Norwegian Wood '' or should I say she had me''.
Harold G Walker solicitor in bournemouth were named on the leases as owners of Le Cardinal in the 1970s, with Mr.SaVILE as a 'consultant'. Why dont the Echo phone them up and ask about their relationship with this obnoxious sick pervert? They must have known him quite well to have hired him as a consultant and leased him that penthouse flat at the top of the club. I always wondered if the creep kept his dosh in Jersey - now there are sworn statements from child abuse victims of his at Haute La Garenne - maybe this firm of solicitors would be able to enlighten the Echo's cracking journalism team abot the real man.... I'd be fascinated to know what he actually did for the owner when he was employed as a 'consultant' by him..and how much was he paid to do them etc etc......could be a real 'inside' story for the Echo's younger newshounds....
ragj195
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4:33am Fri 12 Oct 12
mmm2008 wrote:Spot on. He knew that charity work would give him "access" to the vulnerable. He may have saved lives but he also took them.
BournemouthMum wrote:more than a possibility!!! A lot of people of "good standing" are found to be sex offenders are they entered those very professions in order to be allowed access to children and not be suspected of abuse, i.e. priests, social workers, teachers, carers of vulnerable children, foster carers etc. It is highly probable that a man with the career and alleged inclination towards sexually abusing children would have entered his job and high profile charity work for exactly the same reasons. And the evidence is here - in that there are people commenting on articles such as this, and hundreds of others across the media, saying things such as "but he raised such as lot for charity", "he helped so many people", "he can't be all bad" etc. His plan worked?!
Fred Luton wrote:That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.
BournemouthMum wrote:Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
muscliffman wrote:But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
yesitsmeagain
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6:24am Fri 12 Oct 12
ctrewyou
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7:26am Fri 12 Oct 12
a.g.o.g. wrote:Watche Saville sexually abuse disabled and sick children, exactly.
Letcommonsenseprevaiwached what happened exactly?
l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
praelis
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10:42am Fri 12 Oct 12
Rally
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11:00am Fri 12 Oct 12
In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.
Rally
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11:11am Fri 12 Oct 12
Well, to them I quote:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke).
Rally
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11:13am Fri 12 Oct 12
For 'Saville's' please read 'Savile's'.
a.g.o.g.
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11:40am Fri 12 Oct 12
ctrewyou wrote:you were talking about War criminals and the like....moving on to those later allegations is a matter for the Police and only the Police to untangle I would think .
a.g.o.g. wrote:Watche Saville sexually abuse disabled and sick children, exactly.Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:wached what happened exactly?a.g.o.g. wrote:What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
Letcommonsenseprevail
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12:03pm Fri 12 Oct 12
Rally wrote:Do you wear flat shoes?
What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.
stevobath
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12:08pm Fri 12 Oct 12
a.g.o.g. wrote:So under your belief if someone has committed say rape 20years ago it shouldnt be looked into if possible offence has been committed?
"Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently
and likely jaring a few memories in the process.
There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
If someone has been found out to have murdered someone in the past, just let them go 'Cause it happened years ago'? What if there was a serial cover up & there are people still alive & guilty of serious offences...just let them off cause it happened 'years ago'? Ludicrous.
stevobath
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12:13pm Fri 12 Oct 12
a.g.o.g.
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12:36pm Fri 12 Oct 12
stevobath wrote:This kind of witch hunt - in which JS cannot be put on trial to defend himself against the accusations now being made and I do not see how anyone else can be prosecuted instead for aiding and/or abbetting a non-proven crime.
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.So under your belief if someone has committed say rape 20years ago it shouldnt be looked into if possible offence has been committed? If someone has been found out to have murdered someone in the past, just let them go 'Cause it happened years ago'? What if there was a serial cover up & there are people still alive & guilty of serious offences...just let them off cause it happened 'years ago'? Ludicrous.
golfer33
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1:33pm Fri 12 Oct 12
a.g.o.g.
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1:50pm Fri 12 Oct 12
golfer33 wrote:On that basis it might be a good idea to disqualify any allegation made after the date when the relevant maximum period of detention would have been served had the allegation been made in a timely fashion. As you say things were different in those times and many changes have been made to relevant legislation in recent years to further cloud the issue.
I think we should remember how the 60s and 70s were, all pop groups had groupies, they were totally obsessed with fame and would do anything to be a part of it. so i guess a lot of old pop groups are a bit worried about what will be dragged up.
He Touched So Many......
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2:47pm Fri 12 Oct 12
Rally
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5:16pm Fri 12 Oct 12
LetcommonsenseprevaiI'm not all acquainted with this expression; please can yo explain it to me.
l wrote:
Rally wrote:Do you wear flat shoes?
What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.
Many thanks.
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stevobath
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1:07pm Sat 13 Oct 12
He Touched So Many...... wrote:LMAO!
Many dont believe he's dead... he was a Papal Knight, his death was faked , -the Freemasons dragged him away by the clagnuts and shoved him up into a " Priest's Hole." - he was no stranger to them apparently......
downmoor-ch63
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8:59am Sun 14 Oct 12
Bmth 65 wrote:You just have to ask yourself Bmth 65, as a possible victim of such a person, even if you had reported what had been done to you by someone in his position, no one would at that time, believed you, and I believe that this is only the TIP of the ICEBERG. There a lot more out there in good positions in life, that are shaking with fear, praying that they will not be found out!.
Humf wrote:....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
downmoor-ch63
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9:24am Sun 14 Oct 12
LadyAbbie wrote:Lady Abbie, when I wrote what I thought on the subject, I hadnt read your letter, but having read it now, I realize even more, how important it is to take these complaints or reports seriously, and not to brush them aside. I also think your letter will give more courage to girls and boys to report the abuses, to either their teachers, a friend, or as a last resort the police. Congratulations to you, for putting your side, as a victim, and giving your reasons why.
I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t
hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!!
Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!!
baxtar01
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6:40pm Tue 16 Oct 12
rudolph_hucker says...
8:38am Thu 11 Oct 12