ERASED: Bournemouth cafe scrubs disgraced Jimmy Savile's name from its history

Bournemouth Echo: ERASED: Bournemouth cafe scrubs disgraced Jimmy Savile's name from its history ERASED: Bournemouth cafe scrubs disgraced Jimmy Savile's name from its history

A BOURNEMOUTH cafe is removing disgraced Jimmy Savile’s name from its history.

Norwegian Wood’s menus stated the business was once owned by the TV presenter and former Bournemouth resident.

He worked at nightclubs nearby and was an occasional visitor to the cafe – but has now been branded a “predatory sex offender” by police over allegations he slept with dozens of underage girls.

Lindsey Webb, 52, owner of the Glen Fern Road cafe, said: “At the time we didn’t think anything of it, it was like ‘Oh, it’s Jimmy Savile’. Now it’s like ‘Oh my God!’ ”

She believed Savile owned the whole block when it was a nightclub complex during the 1960s and 70s.

She said: “He definitely would have been our landlord.

“We were thinking about doing a new menu and we would probably not put him on in it.

“He was always very pleasant when he was in here.

“He would sit in the corner with his hood up and you wouldn’t know who he was. The last time he was here a few years ago he sat outside with his chain and quite a few people were taking pictures.

“He said to me he was gutted that it was so quiet along there now, like a ghost town. In hindsight you look and think ‘Oh dear, what was he doing?’ “It’s a shame. He did so much work for charity and that’s how we looked at him then, really.”

Staff at the neighbouring Ambassador Snooker Club and Laser Quest also said they understood Savile had formerly owned the basement nightclub complex.

Savile bought a flat on Bournemouth’s East Cliff and moved in during April 1972.

He kept the flat and visited occasionally and it was reportedly sold for charity when he died in 2011, aged 84.

He worked as a public relations consultant for the Maison Royale/Le Cardinal nightlclub complex on Glen Fern Road from 1973 until 1978.

While publicising a charity telethon he told the Echo in 1990: “I’m not good at all. My word, I am very, very bad. Goodness gracious, yes.”

He claimed in interviews he was saving the Bournemouth flat for ‘old age’.

Meanwhile, his elaborate headstone is due to be broken up and sent to landfill at the request of his family. It has already been removed from the Woodlands Cemetery in Scarborough out of “respect to public opinion”.

Scotland Yard has formally recorded eight criminal allegations and four other forces are investigating – Surrey, Sussex, Northamptonshire and Jersey.

The Metropolitan Police said it was not able to comment on whether any alleged offences took place in Bournemouth.

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8:38am Thu 11 Oct 12

rudolph_hucker says...

Dirty old git. Rot in hell old man.
Dirty old git. Rot in hell old man. rudolph_hucker

8:39am Thu 11 Oct 12

Humf says...

Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music. Humf

8:59am Thu 11 Oct 12

Old Harry says...

Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
.... and to be innocent until proven guilty.
[quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote].... and to be innocent until proven guilty. Old Harry

9:05am Thu 11 Oct 12

Bmth 65 says...

Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'

I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
[quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ! Bmth 65

9:12am Thu 11 Oct 12

rudolph_hucker says...

Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
dig him up
sell his gold coffin
he neither needs or deserves it
[quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]dig him up sell his gold coffin he neither needs or deserves it rudolph_hucker

9:14am Thu 11 Oct 12

_mooch_ says...

And what about the street famous for bespoke ,traditional tailoring, Saville Row? We must demand a name change!!!!!
And what about the street famous for bespoke ,traditional tailoring, Saville Row? We must demand a name change!!!!! _mooch_

9:15am Thu 11 Oct 12

_mooch_ says...

minus 1 L
minus 1 L _mooch_

9:31am Thu 11 Oct 12

The Liberal says...

Old Harry wrote:
Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
.... and to be innocent until proven guilty.
Now then, now then, how's that going to happen? He's hardly going to be up in court now, is he? I'd say the evidence revealed so far is pretty overwhelming.
[quote][p][bold]Old Harry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote].... and to be innocent until proven guilty.[/p][/quote]Now then, now then, how's that going to happen? He's hardly going to be up in court now, is he? I'd say the evidence revealed so far is pretty overwhelming. The Liberal

9:47am Thu 11 Oct 12

drJones says...

I have to say this is the best place in bournemouth to get a breakfast, great food, owners if you read this, sorry about my son breaking a glass about 6 months ago :)
I have to say this is the best place in bournemouth to get a breakfast, great food, owners if you read this, sorry about my son breaking a glass about 6 months ago :) drJones

9:49am Thu 11 Oct 12

BournemouthMum says...

Bmth 65 wrote:
Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'

I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon.

They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.
[quote][p][bold]Bmth 65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ![/p][/quote]I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon. They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we. BournemouthMum

9:49am Thu 11 Oct 12

jeebuscripes says...

I don't see how they have erased him from their history. They have just immortalised him as part of their history by putting it in the paper.

This defies logic.
I don't see how they have erased him from their history. They have just immortalised him as part of their history by putting it in the paper. This defies logic. jeebuscripes

10:46am Thu 11 Oct 12

The Liberal says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
Bmth 65 wrote:
Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'

I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon.

They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.
FGS are you seriously suggesting that grown women are making completely false allegations? Yet you'll lap up all the Tory slurs about benefits claimants without requiring so much a shred of evidence. That just about says it all.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bmth 65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ![/p][/quote]I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon. They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.[/p][/quote]FGS are you seriously suggesting that grown women are making completely false allegations? Yet you'll lap up all the Tory slurs about benefits claimants without requiring so much a shred of evidence. That just about says it all. The Liberal

11:34am Thu 11 Oct 12

Bmth 65 says...

The Liberal wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
Bmth 65 wrote:
Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'

I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon.

They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.
FGS are you seriously suggesting that grown women are making completely false allegations? Yet you'll lap up all the Tory slurs about benefits claimants without requiring so much a shred of evidence. That just about says it all.
So you want to discredit media slurs against benefit claimants, (perhaps because you claim benefits and can defend the slurs....and I'm not judging people who claim benefits) but you believe media slurs against a person who has died and cannot defend themselves. Says a lot about the type of person you are really !!


I'm not suggesting for one minute that these women have made false allegations in this case. I do not know them or the specific details of what they claim happened, but it wouldn't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last time that grown women (or men) have been found guilty of making false allegations when it comes to this type of thing now is it ?

All I am saying is that it is far easier to make an allegation when somebody is not here to defend themselves, so there will obviously be questions asked as to why wait until now!

Unfortunately IF it is proven that they have made false allegations, or indeed allegations that cannot be proven, all the media will have done is to make it harder for the real victims of this type of appalling crime to gain credibility and justice in the future.
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bmth 65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ![/p][/quote]I agree. I believe that he was guillty of some of what is being reported, but the media seem to be playing this out (for their own benefit of course), and turning it into a witchhunt with all manner of people jumping on the bandwaggon. They would never have got away with it when he was alive because of the threat of a lawsuit against them. My personal opinion (which we are all entitled to) is that many claims are exaggerated and many unsubstantiated - are the media even checking the validity of such claims? Probably not. I could say 'oh I was in Bournemouth the day Jimmy Saville visited when I was 14 and he assaulted me' and the media would print it. That said, I agree with your last sentence - but we'll never know the full truth will we.[/p][/quote]FGS are you seriously suggesting that grown women are making completely false allegations? Yet you'll lap up all the Tory slurs about benefits claimants without requiring so much a shred of evidence. That just about says it all.[/p][/quote]So you want to discredit media slurs against benefit claimants, (perhaps because you claim benefits and can defend the slurs....and I'm not judging people who claim benefits) but you believe media slurs against a person who has died and cannot defend themselves. Says a lot about the type of person you are really !! I'm not suggesting for one minute that these women have made false allegations in this case. I do not know them or the specific details of what they claim happened, but it wouldn't be the first time, and it certainly won't be the last time that grown women (or men) have been found guilty of making false allegations when it comes to this type of thing now is it ? All I am saying is that it is far easier to make an allegation when somebody is not here to defend themselves, so there will obviously be questions asked as to why wait until now! Unfortunately IF it is proven that they have made false allegations, or indeed allegations that cannot be proven, all the media will have done is to make it harder for the real victims of this type of appalling crime to gain credibility and justice in the future. Bmth 65

11:38am Thu 11 Oct 12

Justin666 says...

The pity is that he is not here to be charged and face the music if found guilty.........or not.
The pity is that he is not here to be charged and face the music if found guilty.........or not. Justin666

12:14pm Thu 11 Oct 12

buickboy says...

Bmth 65 wrote:
Humf wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
Totally agree with your sentiments, never understood and will never forgive peadophillia.
This morning however the BBC were interviewing the writer/producer/what
ever of the latest film glorifying Michael Jackson, one of the most famous alleged peado's in the world.
Some believe the only reason he was never charged is because he allegedly paid people off.
Meanwhile Savilles' gravestones etc. are reportedly removed and destroyed which must have been devastating to his family, who after all are innocents here.
Are the powers that be going to start investigating Jacksons' past again ?
I think not--double standards or what ? The whole thing disgusts me.
[quote][p][bold]Bmth 65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ![/p][/quote]Totally agree with your sentiments, never understood and will never forgive peadophillia. This morning however the BBC were interviewing the writer/producer/what ever of the latest film glorifying Michael Jackson, one of the most famous alleged peado's in the world. Some believe the only reason he was never charged is because he allegedly paid people off. Meanwhile Savilles' gravestones etc. are reportedly removed and destroyed which must have been devastating to his family, who after all are innocents here. Are the powers that be going to start investigating Jacksons' past again ? I think not--double standards or what ? The whole thing disgusts me. buickboy

12:14pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Azphreal says...

God the levels some people will go to for free advertising.
God the levels some people will go to for free advertising. Azphreal

12:24pm Thu 11 Oct 12

The Liberal says...

@Bmth 65. Thanks for the insult! You're completely wrong about me, but I haven't got time to go into it here. Got work to do, you know: I'm self-employed and time is money…
@Bmth 65. Thanks for the insult! You're completely wrong about me, but I haven't got time to go into it here. Got work to do, you know: I'm self-employed and time is money… The Liberal

12:27pm Thu 11 Oct 12

The Liberal says...

@buickboy Why does the police investigation disgust you? It's not just Savile's actions they're investigating, you know – others may well have been involved.
 
And it's hardly the job of the UK police to investigate Michael Jackson, so why are they guilty of double standards?
@buickboy Why does the police investigation disgust you? It's not just Savile's actions they're investigating, you know – others may well have been involved.   And it's hardly the job of the UK police to investigate Michael Jackson, so why are they guilty of double standards? The Liberal

12:28pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Bmth 65 wrote:
Humf wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
ARE YOU SERIOUS??????
[quote][p][bold]Bmth 65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ![/p][/quote]ARE YOU SERIOUS?????? Letcommonsenseprevail

12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12

jeebuscripes says...

Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?
Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story? jeebuscripes

12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12

jeebuscripes says...

Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?
Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story? jeebuscripes

12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards. Letcommonsenseprevail

12:32pm Thu 11 Oct 12

a.g.o.g. says...

"Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently
and likely jaring a few memories in the process.
There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
"Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view. a.g.o.g.

12:32pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Seriously though, there's gonna be one huge government investigation here (a good old fashioned witch-hunt at the Beeb has been a long time coming) and anyone found to be complicit / aware of Savile's actions better start running for cover...............
.....
Seriously though, there's gonna be one huge government investigation here (a good old fashioned witch-hunt at the Beeb has been a long time coming) and anyone found to be complicit / aware of Savile's actions better start running for cover............... ..... Letcommonsenseprevail

12:33pm Thu 11 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing! muscliffman

12:34pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
"Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested...... Letcommonsenseprevail

12:34pm Thu 11 Oct 12

The Renegade Master says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Quite right.
Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls!
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls! The Renegade Master

12:37pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

It's a shame Jimmy's still not around though - he could still probably fix it.
It's a shame Jimmy's still not around though - he could still probably fix it. Letcommonsenseprevail

12:50pm Thu 11 Oct 12

BournemouthMum says...

muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame. BournemouthMum

1:13pm Thu 11 Oct 12

LadyAbbie says...

I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t
hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!!
Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!!
I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!! Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!! LadyAbbie

1:18pm Thu 11 Oct 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems...
You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......[/p][/quote]not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side. a.g.o.g.

1:29pm Thu 11 Oct 12

scrumpyjack says...

The Renegade Master wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Quite right.
Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls!
Just spat a little spit out laughing at that.

Luckily no one saw.
[quote][p][bold]The Renegade Master[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls![/p][/quote]Just spat a little spit out laughing at that. Luckily no one saw. scrumpyjack

1:33pm Thu 11 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
You are right - for those Savile victims at the time underage and non-consenting - it is their decision to go 'public'.
Although it is also evident that if the Savile 'victims' were not underage (and possibly consented) this is being glossed over by some media to deliberately 'suggest' quite the opposite.
The biggest problem is those he perhaps never even met, who are going to the all too eager Press for their own purposes. Sadly it is inevitable that some examples of these are already detracting from the facts, but which ones?
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.[/p][/quote]You are right - for those Savile victims at the time underage and non-consenting - it is their decision to go 'public'. Although it is also evident that if the Savile 'victims' were not underage (and possibly consented) this is being glossed over by some media to deliberately 'suggest' quite the opposite. The biggest problem is those he perhaps never even met, who are going to the all too eager Press for their own purposes. Sadly it is inevitable that some examples of these are already detracting from the facts, but which ones? muscliffman

1:50pm Thu 11 Oct 12

PokesdownMark says...

Those using publicity to encourage other victims to come forward should be applauded. So very brave.
I've always thought that at some point, perhaps within one more generation all child abuse would become extremely hazardous because the social pressures on the victims to maintain silence would be eliminated. I can see pieces of that coming together today.
Those using publicity to encourage other victims to come forward should be applauded. So very brave. I've always thought that at some point, perhaps within one more generation all child abuse would become extremely hazardous because the social pressures on the victims to maintain silence would be eliminated. I can see pieces of that coming together today. PokesdownMark

2:24pm Thu 11 Oct 12

nonnogeppetto says...

The Renegade Master wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Quite right.
Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls!
Renegade Master you are needed on the sports page and not here!!!!!!!

From time to time I also suffer with dyslexic fingers when using the keyboard.

As for JS best left to the Judiciary system the kind we have seen for the Liverpool Supporters.
[quote][p][bold]The Renegade Master[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.[/p][/quote]Quite right. Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like girls![/p][/quote]Renegade Master you are needed on the sports page and not here!!!!!!! From time to time I also suffer with dyslexic fingers when using the keyboard. As for JS best left to the Judiciary system the kind we have seen for the Liverpool Supporters. nonnogeppetto

2:42pm Thu 11 Oct 12

BarrHumbug says...

Had I not read it hear I would never have know he once owned ANY property in Bournemouth. If they really wanted to quietly disassociate themselves with him and his now apparent shady past then perhaps announcing it in the paper was not their cleverest move?
It wouldn't surprise me if they go to open up tomorrow morning to find their cafe blazoned in derogatory graffiti?
Had I not read it hear I would never have know he once owned ANY property in Bournemouth. If they really wanted to quietly disassociate themselves with him and his now apparent shady past then perhaps announcing it in the paper was not their cleverest move? It wouldn't surprise me if they go to open up tomorrow morning to find their cafe blazoned in derogatory graffiti? BarrHumbug

2:44pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Dorset Logic says...

jeebuscripes says...
12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?


Absolutely - JS was not Norwegian
jeebuscripes says... 12:30pm Thu 11 Oct 12 Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story? Absolutely - JS was not Norwegian Dorset Logic

2:51pm Thu 11 Oct 12

bobsworthforever says...

Innocent until proved Guilty not by the papers, T.V. and not by this cafe, Guilty till proved Innocent is what they are saying. How many more self righteous people are going to get on the band wagon and judge Jimmy when there is only hear say and no prove and never will be for Jimmy has been died for a year. Let he with out sin cased the first stone comes to mind
Innocent until proved Guilty not by the papers, T.V. and not by this cafe, Guilty till proved Innocent is what they are saying. How many more self righteous people are going to get on the band wagon and judge Jimmy when there is only hear say and no prove and never will be for Jimmy has been died for a year. Let he with out sin cased the first stone comes to mind bobsworthforever

2:52pm Thu 11 Oct 12

hammer says...

What I don't understand that the people who actually saw him abusing young girls etc in hospital did not shop him! They are as guilty as he is in my book!
What I don't understand that the people who actually saw him abusing young girls etc in hospital did not shop him! They are as guilty as he is in my book! hammer

2:54pm Thu 11 Oct 12

BarrHumbug says...

jeebuscripes wrote:
Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?
I don't understand, Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like ironing?
[quote][p][bold]jeebuscripes[/bold] wrote: Doesn't anyone else see the irony of this story?[/p][/quote]I don't understand, Jimmy Somerville doesn't even like ironing? BarrHumbug

3:07pm Thu 11 Oct 12

O'Reilly says...

I think this whole Savile business, is just a smokescreen to cover up much bigger players in the satanic gifts. After all, Savile is no longer with us and unaccountable. Even if Plod does find juicy names.....expect a D Notice.
I think this whole Savile business, is just a smokescreen to cover up much bigger players in the satanic gifts. After all, Savile is no longer with us and unaccountable. Even if Plod does find juicy names.....expect a D Notice. O'Reilly

3:10pm Thu 11 Oct 12

tryinghard1234 says...

This all amazes me!!! This guy was constantly in the media have all these people really waited this long? I am waiting for a proper verdict before I change my opinion!! If he was alive he would get a proper trial and be innocent until proven guilty.
This all amazes me!!! This guy was constantly in the media have all these people really waited this long? I am waiting for a proper verdict before I change my opinion!! If he was alive he would get a proper trial and be innocent until proven guilty. tryinghard1234

3:58pm Thu 11 Oct 12

worberin says...

Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can. worberin

4:26pm Thu 11 Oct 12

rudolph_hucker says...

worberin wrote:
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
Yeah. I guess he touched a lot of people....
[quote][p][bold]worberin[/bold] wrote: Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.[/p][/quote]Yeah. I guess he touched a lot of people.... rudolph_hucker

4:32pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Redgolfer00 says...

He never owned the whole building, he was as Mr.Carr is now, just a consultant to both Maison Royal and Le Cardinal with H.G. Walker as owner and 1977, I worked as a DJ in Le Cardinal on Thursday Celebration night, proper disco then ah what memories, LOL
He never owned the whole building, he was as Mr.Carr is now, just a consultant to both Maison Royal and Le Cardinal with H.G. Walker as owner and 1977, I worked as a DJ in Le Cardinal on Thursday Celebration night, proper disco then ah what memories, LOL Redgolfer00

4:33pm Thu 11 Oct 12

hamworthygirl says...

LadyAbbie wrote:
I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t

hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!!
Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!!
Such a sad and thoughtful post, you are sp right in all you say. People at the time could not speak up as they were young or disabled and felt threatened. As the man said this morning from the RSPCC when one person speaks out it spurs on others. I wish you the best of luck and peace for the rest of your life.
[quote][p][bold]LadyAbbie[/bold] wrote: I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!! Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!![/p][/quote]Such a sad and thoughtful post, you are sp right in all you say. People at the time could not speak up as they were young or disabled and felt threatened. As the man said this morning from the RSPCC when one person speaks out it spurs on others. I wish you the best of luck and peace for the rest of your life. hamworthygirl

5:00pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Fred Luton says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.[/p][/quote]Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did. Fred Luton

5:36pm Thu 11 Oct 12

rudolph_hucker says...

Now then now then what ave we ere then?
A dirty old man who likes underage girls
Now then now then what ave we ere then? A dirty old man who likes underage girls rudolph_hucker

5:48pm Thu 11 Oct 12

alasdair1967 says...

It saddens me to write these comments as when alive jimmy Saville was a natIonal icon who worked tirelessly to raise over 40 million pounds for charity ,(note I used the words was and did not use his title)
If these allegations are proven I'm of the opinion that any honor bestowed to Saville should be removed forthwith,if all the allegations against him are true it will make him britains biggest serial abuser ever ,however there are people who must have tried to cover up his actions and these people should be held accountable as well ,I do feel for his family as they have to come to terms with this horror that there flesh and blood have put others through ,
It saddens me to write these comments as when alive jimmy Saville was a natIonal icon who worked tirelessly to raise over 40 million pounds for charity ,(note I used the words was and did not use his title) If these allegations are proven I'm of the opinion that any honor bestowed to Saville should be removed forthwith,if all the allegations against him are true it will make him britains biggest serial abuser ever ,however there are people who must have tried to cover up his actions and these people should be held accountable as well ,I do feel for his family as they have to come to terms with this horror that there flesh and blood have put others through , alasdair1967

5:54pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems...
You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......[/p][/quote]not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.[/p][/quote]What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts? Letcommonsenseprevail

5:54pm Thu 11 Oct 12

nosuchluck54 says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
It saddens me to write these comments as when alive jimmy Saville was a natIonal icon who worked tirelessly to raise over 40 million pounds for charity ,(note I used the words was and did not use his title)
If these allegations are proven I'm of the opinion that any honor bestowed to Saville should be removed forthwith,if all the allegations against him are true it will make him britains biggest serial abuser ever ,however there are people who must have tried to cover up his actions and these people should be held accountable as well ,I do feel for his family as they have to come to terms with this horror that there flesh and blood have put others through ,
Completely agree with you,but do you really think if the allegations are true that none of his family had any inclination of what was going on
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: It saddens me to write these comments as when alive jimmy Saville was a natIonal icon who worked tirelessly to raise over 40 million pounds for charity ,(note I used the words was and did not use his title) If these allegations are proven I'm of the opinion that any honor bestowed to Saville should be removed forthwith,if all the allegations against him are true it will make him britains biggest serial abuser ever ,however there are people who must have tried to cover up his actions and these people should be held accountable as well ,I do feel for his family as they have to come to terms with this horror that there flesh and blood have put others through ,[/p][/quote]Completely agree with you,but do you really think if the allegations are true that none of his family had any inclination of what was going on nosuchluck54

5:57pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

worberin wrote:
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
Oh, that makes it alright then. Silly me, I didn't realise the judicial system had variances based on how much you raise for charity. Bill Gates, bob Geldof, Ian Botham, etc, etc, therefore truly untouchable.........
..
[quote][p][bold]worberin[/bold] wrote: Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.[/p][/quote]Oh, that makes it alright then. Silly me, I didn't realise the judicial system had variances based on how much you raise for charity. Bill Gates, bob Geldof, Ian Botham, etc, etc, therefore truly untouchable......... .. Letcommonsenseprevail

5:57pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

worberin wrote:
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
Oh, that makes it alright then. Silly me, I didn't realise the judicial system had variances based on how much you raise for charity. Bill Gates, bob Geldof, Ian Botham, etc, etc, therefore truly untouchable.........
..
[quote][p][bold]worberin[/bold] wrote: Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.[/p][/quote]Oh, that makes it alright then. Silly me, I didn't realise the judicial system had variances based on how much you raise for charity. Bill Gates, bob Geldof, Ian Botham, etc, etc, therefore truly untouchable......... .. Letcommonsenseprevail

5:57pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Fred Luton wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
No kidding......
[quote][p][bold]Fred Luton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.[/p][/quote]Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.[/p][/quote]No kidding...... Letcommonsenseprevail

6:36pm Thu 11 Oct 12

BournemouthMum says...

Fred Luton wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.
[quote][p][bold]Fred Luton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.[/p][/quote]Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.[/p][/quote]That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten. BournemouthMum

7:01pm Thu 11 Oct 12

mmm2008 says...

What a badly written article. Allegation that Saville "slept with underage girls" - outrageous that this is an edited newsparer and that has been read and re-read and it was decided that it could be printed that the allegations were that he "slept with underage girls"!!! Under-age girls, or boys for that matter, CANNOT consent to sexual intercourse, so there has been no allegation that he "slept with" them whatsoever. And the police did not call him a "predatory paedophile" (as actually quoted in speech marks in article!) they called him a "predatory sex offender" as police do not use the term paedophile, as this is a term meaning "lover of children" which was coined by child sex offenders in order to try to argue that their inclinations were in some way positive. Editor - please can this be corrected??
What a badly written article. Allegation that Saville "slept with underage girls" - outrageous that this is an edited newsparer and that has been read and re-read and it was decided that it could be printed that the allegations were that he "slept with underage girls"!!! Under-age girls, or boys for that matter, CANNOT consent to sexual intercourse, so there has been no allegation that he "slept with" them whatsoever. And the police did not call him a "predatory paedophile" (as actually quoted in speech marks in article!) they called him a "predatory sex offender" as police do not use the term paedophile, as this is a term meaning "lover of children" which was coined by child sex offenders in order to try to argue that their inclinations were in some way positive. Editor - please can this be corrected?? mmm2008

7:09pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Was Charlie says...

Please get it right - Apart from those who appeared in the ITV programme, those who say they are victims are NOT contacting the MEDIA - they are contacting the police.
......
Why didn't they come forward before? Are you deaf and blind to what people like Sandy Tocksvig have said? She has said that she was groped and when she reported it was asked "Didn't you like it then? Are you a lesbian?" The fact that she is, is beside the point. Liz Kershaw has also said she was groped by a well-known DJ while at the BBC but it was treated as a joke and that that was the climate at the BBC at the time.
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Those who have reported what JS did to them (true or not) were dismissed as fantasists and liers. Others have said they didn't tell anyone because they were frightened to say anything because he was so famous. Understandable.
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LadyAbbie has described very well why the abused don't come forward until something gives them courage to do so. LadyAbbie are very brave to tell your story here and I hope the psychological scars are bearable.
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I don't know if JS is guilty or not, but I'm trusting those who are experienced in investigating this type of thing to get it right and come to a definite decision. All they'll be able to do is produce a report.
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I also hope that they prosecute those who are still alive and are proven to be guilty of paedophilia.


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Please get it right - Apart from those who appeared in the ITV programme, those who say they are victims are NOT contacting the MEDIA - they are contacting the police. ...... Why didn't they come forward before? Are you deaf and blind to what people like Sandy Tocksvig have said? She has said that she was groped and when she reported it was asked "Didn't you like it then? Are you a lesbian?" The fact that she is, is beside the point. Liz Kershaw has also said she was groped by a well-known DJ while at the BBC but it was treated as a joke and that that was the climate at the BBC at the time. ...... Those who have reported what JS did to them (true or not) were dismissed as fantasists and liers. Others have said they didn't tell anyone because they were frightened to say anything because he was so famous. Understandable. ....... LadyAbbie has described very well why the abused don't come forward until something gives them courage to do so. LadyAbbie are very brave to tell your story here and I hope the psychological scars are bearable. ...... I don't know if JS is guilty or not, but I'm trusting those who are experienced in investigating this type of thing to get it right and come to a definite decision. All they'll be able to do is produce a report. .... I also hope that they prosecute those who are still alive and are proven to be guilty of paedophilia. . Was Charlie

7:15pm Thu 11 Oct 12

mmm2008 says...

BournemouthMum wrote:
Fred Luton wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.
more than a possibility!!! A lot of people of "good standing" are found to be sex offenders are they entered those very professions in order to be allowed access to children and not be suspected of abuse, i.e. priests, social workers, teachers, carers of vulnerable children, foster carers etc. It is highly probable that a man with the career and alleged inclination towards sexually abusing children would have entered his job and high profile charity work for exactly the same reasons. And the evidence is here - in that there are people commenting on articles such as this, and hundreds of others across the media, saying things such as "but he raised such as lot for charity", "he helped so many people", "he can't be all bad" etc. His plan worked?!
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fred Luton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.[/p][/quote]Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.[/p][/quote]That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.[/p][/quote]more than a possibility!!! A lot of people of "good standing" are found to be sex offenders are they entered those very professions in order to be allowed access to children and not be suspected of abuse, i.e. priests, social workers, teachers, carers of vulnerable children, foster carers etc. It is highly probable that a man with the career and alleged inclination towards sexually abusing children would have entered his job and high profile charity work for exactly the same reasons. And the evidence is here - in that there are people commenting on articles such as this, and hundreds of others across the media, saying things such as "but he raised such as lot for charity", "he helped so many people", "he can't be all bad" etc. His plan worked?! mmm2008

8:45pm Thu 11 Oct 12

Gastines2 says...

I believe Savile was a Partner in the Maison Royal, Outlook,Cardinal clubs,not the owner of the complex but a neat bit of free advertising, a poor excuse?
While I'm amazed at all the claims coming out now,especially by the nurses at Stoke Mandevill Hospital and various members of the B.B.C. I wonder why no-one confronted the issue for the benefit of those abused at the time?
However a the other end of the scale,when you are young and look up to these figures with some sort of awe or even respect,I feel you should believe you are safe from the predators that seem to inhabit every form of human life . Having once been in a home in my junior days I did come across similar behaviour from the housemaster,fortunat
ely discouraged by me but they definately know who to pick and exactly who do you complain to? I can imagine the response if I'd pointed out to the Nuns who ran the place what was going on. Thinking back,60 years ago, I would probably have been to shy and embarrassed to even find the words to explain.Plenty to think about but no-one to pay any penalties!!
I believe Savile was a Partner in the Maison Royal, Outlook,Cardinal clubs,not the owner of the complex but a neat bit of free advertising, a poor excuse? While I'm amazed at all the claims coming out now,especially by the nurses at Stoke Mandevill Hospital and various members of the B.B.C. I wonder why no-one confronted the issue for the benefit of those abused at the time? However a the other end of the scale,when you are young and look up to these figures with some sort of awe or even respect,I feel you should believe you are safe from the predators that seem to inhabit every form of human life . Having once been in a home in my junior days I did come across similar behaviour from the housemaster,fortunat ely discouraged by me but they definately know who to pick and exactly who do you complain to? I can imagine the response if I'd pointed out to the Nuns who ran the place what was going on. Thinking back,60 years ago, I would probably have been to shy and embarrassed to even find the words to explain.Plenty to think about but no-one to pay any penalties!! Gastines2

9:03pm Thu 11 Oct 12

andydixon says...

We can all say what we like, He isn't here to sue us. I agree with Bmth 65 though. Strange that these people have only come out now. I was raped by Hitler so I'm owed £5K please?
We can all say what we like, He isn't here to sue us. I agree with Bmth 65 though. Strange that these people have only come out now. I was raped by Hitler so I'm owed £5K please? andydixon

9:07pm Thu 11 Oct 12

BournemouthMum says...

I just realised the irony in this story: the cafe owners wish to erase all connections to Jimmy Saville (which most of us didn't even know existed) yet bring attention to it on the front page of the Echo!
I just realised the irony in this story: the cafe owners wish to erase all connections to Jimmy Saville (which most of us didn't even know existed) yet bring attention to it on the front page of the Echo! BournemouthMum

10:06pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

..am I alone in thinking the cafe and his flat should be exorcised, along with his caravan camper?
No wonder he was buried at a 45 degree angle, he was so warped!
And as for the allegations of what he got up to in hospital mortuaries!!! Small wonder indeed that the nurses at Stoke Mandeville advised small children to 'pretend they were asleep' to avoid his attentions on the wards...if they had pretended they were dead, who knows what he might have done to them!
Someone should ring up the Pope ( (011) 39-6-6988-4217 - terms and conditions may apply) and get his Papal Knighthood removed at once!
..am I alone in thinking the cafe and his flat should be exorcised, along with his caravan camper? No wonder he was buried at a 45 degree angle, he was so warped! And as for the allegations of what he got up to in hospital mortuaries!!! Small wonder indeed that the nurses at Stoke Mandeville advised small children to 'pretend they were asleep' to avoid his attentions on the wards...if they had pretended they were dead, who knows what he might have done to them! Someone should ring up the Pope ( (011) 39-6-6988-4217 - terms and conditions may apply) and get his Papal Knighthood removed at once! He Touched So Many......

10:08pm Thu 11 Oct 12

spooki says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.
Oh, now I liked him. What's he doing these days I wonder?
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: For those amongst us suffering from dyslexia, I would like to point out that we are not talking about Jimmy Somerville, the lead singer of The Communards.[/p][/quote]Oh, now I liked him. What's he doing these days I wonder? spooki

10:12pm Thu 11 Oct 12

spooki says...

rudolph_hucker wrote:
worberin wrote:
Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.
Yeah. I guess he touched a lot of people....
Oh dear...
[quote][p][bold]rudolph_hucker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worberin[/bold] wrote: Anyone who frequented the hotel bar on the top floor above the bowling alley in early 70's will know the truth. Having said that, the money he raised for Stoke Mandeville was amazing... a friend broke her neck and was told she'd never walk again, but thanks to them, she can.[/p][/quote]Yeah. I guess he touched a lot of people....[/p][/quote]Oh dear... spooki

10:13pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

..and to think he just told the Pope he had 'healing hands'......
..and to think he just told the Pope he had 'healing hands'...... He Touched So Many......

10:20pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

Redgolfer00 wrote:
He never owned the whole building, he was as Mr.Carr is now, just a consultant to both Maison Royal and Le Cardinal with H.G. Walker as owner and 1977, I worked as a DJ in Le Cardinal on Thursday Celebration night, proper disco then ah what memories, LOL
so he was into tax avoidance schemes too.....saints be praised!
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer00[/bold] wrote: He never owned the whole building, he was as Mr.Carr is now, just a consultant to both Maison Royal and Le Cardinal with H.G. Walker as owner and 1977, I worked as a DJ in Le Cardinal on Thursday Celebration night, proper disco then ah what memories, LOL[/p][/quote]so he was into tax avoidance schemes too.....saints be praised! He Touched So Many......

10:27pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

there is a very fitting tribute to him on you tube at youtubedotcom/watch?
v=8s_TBiiDOag
there is a very fitting tribute to him on you tube at youtubedotcom/watch? v=8s_TBiiDOag He Touched So Many......

10:31pm Thu 11 Oct 12

muscliffman says...

Just a thought.
That lady claiming to be Savile's daughter - gone a bit quiet lately?
Just a thought. That lady claiming to be Savile's daughter - gone a bit quiet lately? muscliffman

10:42pm Thu 11 Oct 12

a.g.o.g. says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?
wached what happened exactly?
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......[/p][/quote]not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.[/p][/quote]What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]wached what happened exactly? a.g.o.g.

11:16pm Thu 11 Oct 12

buickboy says...

The Liberal wrote:
@buickboy Why does the police investigation disgust you? It's not just Savile's actions they're investigating, you know – others may well have been involved.   And it's hardly the job of the UK police to investigate Michael Jackson, so why are they guilty of double standards?
missed the point again mate, no wonder you're a liberal, if I have to explain you won't get it
[quote][p][bold]The Liberal[/bold] wrote: @buickboy Why does the police investigation disgust you? It's not just Savile's actions they're investigating, you know – others may well have been involved.   And it's hardly the job of the UK police to investigate Michael Jackson, so why are they guilty of double standards?[/p][/quote]missed the point again mate, no wonder you're a liberal, if I have to explain you won't get it buickboy

11:46pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

Harold G Walker solicitor in bournemouth were named on the leases as owners of Le Cardinal in the 1970s, with Mr.SaVILE as a 'consultant'. Why dont the Echo phone them up and ask about their relationship with this obnoxious sick pervert? They must have known him quite well to have hired him as a consultant and leased him that penthouse flat at the top of the club. I always wondered if the creep kept his dosh in Jersey - now there are sworn statements from child abuse victims of his at Haute La Garenne - maybe this firm of solicitors would be able to enlighten the Echo's cracking journalism team abot the real man.... I'd be fascinated to know what he actually did for the owner when he was employed as a 'consultant' by him..and how much was he paid to do them etc etc......could be a real 'inside' story for the Echo's younger newshounds....
Harold G Walker solicitor in bournemouth were named on the leases as owners of Le Cardinal in the 1970s, with Mr.SaVILE as a 'consultant'. Why dont the Echo phone them up and ask about their relationship with this obnoxious sick pervert? They must have known him quite well to have hired him as a consultant and leased him that penthouse flat at the top of the club. I always wondered if the creep kept his dosh in Jersey - now there are sworn statements from child abuse victims of his at Haute La Garenne - maybe this firm of solicitors would be able to enlighten the Echo's cracking journalism team abot the real man.... I'd be fascinated to know what he actually did for the owner when he was employed as a 'consultant' by him..and how much was he paid to do them etc etc......could be a real 'inside' story for the Echo's younger newshounds.... He Touched So Many......

11:49pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

He Touched So Many...... wrote:
..and to think he just told the Pope he had 'healing hands'......
..and a healing tongue.....
[quote][p][bold]He Touched So Many......[/bold] wrote: ..and to think he just told the Pope he had 'healing hands'......[/p][/quote]..and a healing tongue..... He Touched So Many......

11:53pm Thu 11 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

Weren't the opening lyric to the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" the cafe's named after:
'I once had a girl.......'


Creep.
Weren't the opening lyric to the Beatles song "Norwegian Wood" the cafe's named after: 'I once had a girl.......' Creep. He Touched So Many......

2:16am Fri 12 Oct 12

Redgolfer00 says...

He Touched So Many...... wrote:
Harold G Walker solicitor in bournemouth were named on the leases as owners of Le Cardinal in the 1970s, with Mr.SaVILE as a 'consultant'. Why dont the Echo phone them up and ask about their relationship with this obnoxious sick pervert? They must have known him quite well to have hired him as a consultant and leased him that penthouse flat at the top of the club. I always wondered if the creep kept his dosh in Jersey - now there are sworn statements from child abuse victims of his at Haute La Garenne - maybe this firm of solicitors would be able to enlighten the Echo's cracking journalism team abot the real man.... I'd be fascinated to know what he actually did for the owner when he was employed as a 'consultant' by him..and how much was he paid to do them etc etc......could be a real 'inside' story for the Echo's younger newshounds....
How do you phone Mr. Walker up as he has been DEAD some time, in my time never saw Savile there but worked under his manager and to complete the opening line of Norwegian Wood '' or should I say she had me''.
[quote][p][bold]He Touched So Many......[/bold] wrote: Harold G Walker solicitor in bournemouth were named on the leases as owners of Le Cardinal in the 1970s, with Mr.SaVILE as a 'consultant'. Why dont the Echo phone them up and ask about their relationship with this obnoxious sick pervert? They must have known him quite well to have hired him as a consultant and leased him that penthouse flat at the top of the club. I always wondered if the creep kept his dosh in Jersey - now there are sworn statements from child abuse victims of his at Haute La Garenne - maybe this firm of solicitors would be able to enlighten the Echo's cracking journalism team abot the real man.... I'd be fascinated to know what he actually did for the owner when he was employed as a 'consultant' by him..and how much was he paid to do them etc etc......could be a real 'inside' story for the Echo's younger newshounds....[/p][/quote]How do you phone Mr. Walker up as he has been DEAD some time, in my time never saw Savile there but worked under his manager and to complete the opening line of Norwegian Wood '' or should I say she had me''. Redgolfer00

4:33am Fri 12 Oct 12

ragj195 says...

mmm2008 wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
Fred Luton wrote:
BournemouthMum wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening.
The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed.
Go rot - thanks for nothing!
But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault.

At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.
Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.
That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.
more than a possibility!!! A lot of people of "good standing" are found to be sex offenders are they entered those very professions in order to be allowed access to children and not be suspected of abuse, i.e. priests, social workers, teachers, carers of vulnerable children, foster carers etc. It is highly probable that a man with the career and alleged inclination towards sexually abusing children would have entered his job and high profile charity work for exactly the same reasons. And the evidence is here - in that there are people commenting on articles such as this, and hundreds of others across the media, saying things such as "but he raised such as lot for charity", "he helped so many people", "he can't be all bad" etc. His plan worked?!
Spot on. He knew that charity work would give him "access" to the vulnerable. He may have saved lives but he also took them.
[quote][p][bold]mmm2008[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fred Luton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BournemouthMum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Those he abused deserve better than to be used again, this time for the benefit of the media, there is a danger that this is already happening. The good Jimmy Savile, we now find to have been a complete fantasy, played a big part in many of our younger lives. It is horrible to have to erase fond memories of someone when you find out in such a vile way they never actually existed. Go rot - thanks for nothing![/p][/quote]But these people are CHOOSING to contact the media - no one is forcing them! If I was a victim of abuse the last thing I'd want is my photo in the media - not because I'd be ashamed of anything, just that I'd want it kept private. I would do one of 2 things: keep quiet and put it behind me, or report it to the police so that they could investigate it. That's just my opinion of course. You are right in that these women are being used, but they are grown women and if they can't see that then that's their fault. At the end of the day, Jimmy isn't here to defend himself and whether he was guilty or not he did do a lot of good work and raised an awful lot of money for charity. I'm not saying that excuses his actions but his good deeds seem to have been forgotten which is a shame.[/p][/quote]Maybe he just used his "good deeds" to put up a smoke screen for all the bad things he did.[/p][/quote]That is a possibility, but I don't think so. I don't think someone would dedicate their life to good causes solely in order to carry out abuse - at least not for the sustainable length of time he did. I don't disbelieve that he behaved inappropriately but paradoxically an awful lot of people benefited from him too and that shouldn't be forgotten.[/p][/quote]more than a possibility!!! A lot of people of "good standing" are found to be sex offenders are they entered those very professions in order to be allowed access to children and not be suspected of abuse, i.e. priests, social workers, teachers, carers of vulnerable children, foster carers etc. It is highly probable that a man with the career and alleged inclination towards sexually abusing children would have entered his job and high profile charity work for exactly the same reasons. And the evidence is here - in that there are people commenting on articles such as this, and hundreds of others across the media, saying things such as "but he raised such as lot for charity", "he helped so many people", "he can't be all bad" etc. His plan worked?![/p][/quote]Spot on. He knew that charity work would give him "access" to the vulnerable. He may have saved lives but he also took them. ragj195

6:24am Fri 12 Oct 12

yesitsmeagain says...

when i watched the itv program it sent shivers down my spine when seeing ester reduced to tears at the end , it seems some people did report what was going on but were told to shut up dont be silly !!! , having suffered abuse myself when younger i can see that something was not right with him now , i have only ever told 1 person what happened to me and they did not belive me either so i know the pain these people are feeling now and want to move on , it is never the childs fault always the adults !!!!!
when i watched the itv program it sent shivers down my spine when seeing ester reduced to tears at the end , it seems some people did report what was going on but were told to shut up dont be silly !!! , having suffered abuse myself when younger i can see that something was not right with him now , i have only ever told 1 person what happened to me and they did not belive me either so i know the pain these people are feeling now and want to move on , it is never the childs fault always the adults !!!!! yesitsmeagain

7:26am Fri 12 Oct 12

ctrewyou says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?
wached what happened exactly?
Watche Saville sexually abuse disabled and sick children, exactly.
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......[/p][/quote]not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.[/p][/quote]What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]wached what happened exactly?[/p][/quote]Watche Saville sexually abuse disabled and sick children, exactly. ctrewyou

10:42am Fri 12 Oct 12

praelis says...

why is everyone jumping the gun? "innocent until Proven guilty" i thought still existed. They are still only allegations.one person say sosmething and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon just because he is now unalbe to defend or acknowledge this for himself?Living in Boscombe i am aware there is a whole road of (for those that cant spell it appropriatly) paedophiles, but does it stop me going out? NO. Let the dead rest in peace and the past be the past.. people have moved on with their lives and if it was such a big issue back then it should have been dealt with then despite whatever hiccups occured.
why is everyone jumping the gun? "innocent until Proven guilty" i thought still existed. They are still only allegations.one person say sosmething and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon just because he is now unalbe to defend or acknowledge this for himself?Living in Boscombe i am aware there is a whole road of (for those that cant spell it appropriatly) paedophiles, but does it stop me going out? NO. Let the dead rest in peace and the past be the past.. people have moved on with their lives and if it was such a big issue back then it should have been dealt with then despite whatever hiccups occured. praelis

11:00am Fri 12 Oct 12

Rally says...

What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong.
In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.
What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks. Rally

11:11am Fri 12 Oct 12

Rally says...

A lot of so-called celebrities and people from other walks of life are now coming forward (in some cases, more like crawling out of the woodwork) claiming that they knew about Saville's immoral behaviour (alleged) but chose to keep quiet about it.
Well, to them I quote:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke).
A lot of so-called celebrities and people from other walks of life are now coming forward (in some cases, more like crawling out of the woodwork) claiming that they knew about Saville's immoral behaviour (alleged) but chose to keep quiet about it. Well, to them I quote: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke). Rally

11:13am Fri 12 Oct 12

Rally says...

Correction;
For 'Saville's' please read 'Savile's'.
Correction; For 'Saville's' please read 'Savile's'. Rally

11:40am Fri 12 Oct 12

a.g.o.g. says...

ctrewyou wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai l wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......
not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.
What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?
wached what happened exactly?
Watche Saville sexually abuse disabled and sick children, exactly.
you were talking about War criminals and the like....moving on to those later allegations is a matter for the Police and only the Police to untangle I would think .
[quote][p][bold]ctrewyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]Using your logic, should we stop hunting nazi war criminals? I'm not disagreeing with your logic, just interested......[/p][/quote]not if they are still breathing, no, in principle at least, as we choose to prosecute only the losers it seems... You can do anything with God, Right and, more importantly still, Victory on your side.[/p][/quote]What about those people, still alive, that stood by and maybe watched It happen but did nothing to stop it? Are they not guilty in some way, maybe for not reporting a crime? Your thoughts?[/p][/quote]wached what happened exactly?[/p][/quote]Watche Saville sexually abuse disabled and sick children, exactly.[/p][/quote]you were talking about War criminals and the like....moving on to those later allegations is a matter for the Police and only the Police to untangle I would think . a.g.o.g.

12:03pm Fri 12 Oct 12

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Rally wrote:
What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.
Do you wear flat shoes?
[quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.[/p][/quote]Do you wear flat shoes? Letcommonsenseprevail

12:08pm Fri 12 Oct 12

stevobath says...

a.g.o.g. wrote:
"Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently
and likely jaring a few memories in the process.
There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
So under your belief if someone has committed say rape 20years ago it shouldnt be looked into if possible offence has been committed?
If someone has been found out to have murdered someone in the past, just let them go 'Cause it happened years ago'? What if there was a serial cover up & there are people still alive & guilty of serious offences...just let them off cause it happened 'years ago'? Ludicrous.
[quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]So under your belief if someone has committed say rape 20years ago it shouldnt be looked into if possible offence has been committed? If someone has been found out to have murdered someone in the past, just let them go 'Cause it happened years ago'? What if there was a serial cover up & there are people still alive & guilty of serious offences...just let them off cause it happened 'years ago'? Ludicrous. stevobath

12:13pm Fri 12 Oct 12

stevobath says...

Forgot to add.He NEVER OWNED this bussiness.He owned the COMPLEX OF BUILDINGS.
Forgot to add.He NEVER OWNED this bussiness.He owned the COMPLEX OF BUILDINGS. stevobath

12:36pm Fri 12 Oct 12

a.g.o.g. says...

stevobath wrote:
a.g.o.g. wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.
So under your belief if someone has committed say rape 20years ago it shouldnt be looked into if possible offence has been committed? If someone has been found out to have murdered someone in the past, just let them go 'Cause it happened years ago'? What if there was a serial cover up & there are people still alive & guilty of serious offences...just let them off cause it happened 'years ago'? Ludicrous.
This kind of witch hunt - in which JS cannot be put on trial to defend himself against the accusations now being made and I do not see how anyone else can be prosecuted instead for aiding and/or abbetting a non-proven crime.
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]a.g.o.g.[/bold] wrote: "Speak no ill of the dead" the old saying goes, on the basis that they would likely have even more to say in return. So when it comes to under-aged girls being pushed towards the long established "casting couch" of show biz perhaps we should be looking at not only those behind them and they who turned a blind eye but all those who gobbled-up the product of watching those chosen to dance for the cameras of "Top of the Pops" and such and all of which the Beeb has proudly been re-broadcasting recently and likely jaring a few memories in the process. There are just too many villains of the past for this kind of witch hunt to bring to justice and we should concentrate our resources on the present. In my view.[/p][/quote]So under your belief if someone has committed say rape 20years ago it shouldnt be looked into if possible offence has been committed? If someone has been found out to have murdered someone in the past, just let them go 'Cause it happened years ago'? What if there was a serial cover up & there are people still alive & guilty of serious offences...just let them off cause it happened 'years ago'? Ludicrous.[/p][/quote]This kind of witch hunt - in which JS cannot be put on trial to defend himself against the accusations now being made and I do not see how anyone else can be prosecuted instead for aiding and/or abbetting a non-proven crime. a.g.o.g.

1:33pm Fri 12 Oct 12

golfer33 says...

I think we should remember how the 60s and 70s were, all pop groups had groupies, they were totally obsessed with fame and would do anything to be a part of it. so i guess a lot of old pop groups are a bit worried about what will be dragged up.
I think we should remember how the 60s and 70s were, all pop groups had groupies, they were totally obsessed with fame and would do anything to be a part of it. so i guess a lot of old pop groups are a bit worried about what will be dragged up. golfer33

1:50pm Fri 12 Oct 12

a.g.o.g. says...

golfer33 wrote:
I think we should remember how the 60s and 70s were, all pop groups had groupies, they were totally obsessed with fame and would do anything to be a part of it. so i guess a lot of old pop groups are a bit worried about what will be dragged up.
On that basis it might be a good idea to disqualify any allegation made after the date when the relevant maximum period of detention would have been served had the allegation been made in a timely fashion. As you say things were different in those times and many changes have been made to relevant legislation in recent years to further cloud the issue.
[quote][p][bold]golfer33[/bold] wrote: I think we should remember how the 60s and 70s were, all pop groups had groupies, they were totally obsessed with fame and would do anything to be a part of it. so i guess a lot of old pop groups are a bit worried about what will be dragged up.[/p][/quote]On that basis it might be a good idea to disqualify any allegation made after the date when the relevant maximum period of detention would have been served had the allegation been made in a timely fashion. As you say things were different in those times and many changes have been made to relevant legislation in recent years to further cloud the issue. a.g.o.g.

2:47pm Fri 12 Oct 12

He Touched So Many...... says...

Many dont believe he's dead... he was a Papal Knight, his death was faked , -the Freemasons dragged him away by the clagnuts and shoved him up into a " Priest's Hole." - he was no stranger to them apparently......
Many dont believe he's dead... he was a Papal Knight, his death was faked , -the Freemasons dragged him away by the clagnuts and shoved him up into a " Priest's Hole." - he was no stranger to them apparently...... He Touched So Many......

5:16pm Fri 12 Oct 12

Rally says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Rally wrote:
What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.
Do you wear flat shoes?
I'm not all acquainted with this expression; please can yo explain it to me.
Many thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rally[/bold] wrote: What we have here is nothing more than 'Trial by Media' and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. In this country a person is deemed innocent until proven guilty - just remember that, folks.[/p][/quote]Do you wear flat shoes?[/p][/quote]I'm not all acquainted with this expression; please can yo explain it to me. Many thanks. Rally

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1:07pm Sat 13 Oct 12

stevobath says...

He Touched So Many...... wrote:
Many dont believe he's dead... he was a Papal Knight, his death was faked , -the Freemasons dragged him away by the clagnuts and shoved him up into a " Priest's Hole." - he was no stranger to them apparently......
LMAO!
[quote][p][bold]He Touched So Many......[/bold] wrote: Many dont believe he's dead... he was a Papal Knight, his death was faked , -the Freemasons dragged him away by the clagnuts and shoved him up into a " Priest's Hole." - he was no stranger to them apparently......[/p][/quote]LMAO! stevobath

8:59am Sun 14 Oct 12

downmoor-ch63 says...

Bmth 65 wrote:
Humf wrote:
Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.
....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?'

I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' !
You just have to ask yourself Bmth 65, as a possible victim of such a person, even if you had reported what had been done to you by someone in his position, no one would at that time, believed you, and I believe that this is only the TIP of the ICEBERG. There a lot more out there in good positions in life, that are shaking with fear, praying that they will not be found out!.
[quote][p][bold]Bmth 65[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Humf[/bold] wrote: Such a shame Jim's not here to face the music.[/p][/quote]....or defend himself !! Don't get me wrong there is no defence whatsoever for a paedophile (or anyone engaging in sexual assault, be it with children or adults), but allegations do not always turn out to correct. Before anyone has a go about me belittling the claims of those who have come forward, I'm just stating the fact that he would not be the first person to be accused of something he didn't actually do. Rightly or wrongly people will always ask is the question of 'why wait until now to come forward?' I'm not a Jimmy Savile fan and if he is in fact guilty, then as post 1 says, he can 'rot in hell' ![/p][/quote]You just have to ask yourself Bmth 65, as a possible victim of such a person, even if you had reported what had been done to you by someone in his position, no one would at that time, believed you, and I believe that this is only the TIP of the ICEBERG. There a lot more out there in good positions in life, that are shaking with fear, praying that they will not be found out!. downmoor-ch63

9:24am Sun 14 Oct 12

downmoor-ch63 says...

LadyAbbie wrote:
I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t

hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!!
Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!!
Lady Abbie, when I wrote what I thought on the subject, I hadnt read your letter, but having read it now, I realize even more, how important it is to take these complaints or reports seriously, and not to brush them aside. I also think your letter will give more courage to girls and boys to report the abuses, to either their teachers, a friend, or as a last resort the police. Congratulations to you, for putting your side, as a victim, and giving your reasons why.
[quote][p][bold]LadyAbbie[/bold] wrote: I was abused by my father &, in part, by my mother - I had no-one to help me when I reported my abuse to the authorities - even when I did one of the first questions they asked me was why had I waited so long before saying anything - this came from Social Services & upset me greatly - my first thought was that no-one believed me & I couldn't understand why they couldn't understand that it was because I was terrified of the consequences, I was terrfied of those abusing me especially having to live with them. Even when I told them everything I could remember at the time I was pushed to speak more - again leaving me to feel that what I had endured wasn't good enough & wasn't traumatic enough for them! I wanted to run away as a child so many times but was terrfied of doing that too................t hese are the reasons why a lot of abuse survivors keep quiet!! I really hope people didn't mind me sharing - I just wanted to try & give some understanding to those who don't seem to get it!! Also, the majority of these women coming forward are doing so anonymously so they are NOT having their photos plastered all over newspapers & such! These women have kept their experiences even from their own families - these women are incredibly brave to have come forward. They want to be believed, they want to have closure for what happened to them - any abuse survivor deserves to have those things!![/p][/quote]Lady Abbie, when I wrote what I thought on the subject, I hadnt read your letter, but having read it now, I realize even more, how important it is to take these complaints or reports seriously, and not to brush them aside. I also think your letter will give more courage to girls and boys to report the abuses, to either their teachers, a friend, or as a last resort the police. Congratulations to you, for putting your side, as a victim, and giving your reasons why. downmoor-ch63

6:40pm Tue 16 Oct 12

baxtar01 says...

Aint no smoke without fire!
Aint no smoke without fire! baxtar01

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