Bike lights could save your life

PC Hammond with the reflective gear

A cyclist in the dark

With a high-visibility jacket on

In complete reflective clothing

First published in News by

POLICE hope these photos will show the danger of cycling without lights before they launch another crackdown.

Officers will be stopping riders in Bournemouth this autumn and issuing £30 fines, which are cancelled if offenders buy lights within seven days.

In the first photo, the rider has no night-time gear and is very hard to spot.

The second shows a typical commuter with lights, and also a high-visibility jacket and helmet – the latter are not mandatory, but are recommended by the Highway Code.

And in the final photo, the cyclist is wearing the latest and most complete reflective clothing.

PC Rob Hammond said: “The clocks go back at the end of October and this makes it darker in the evening.

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“Many cyclists are unaware of the danger they present by not making themselves visible.

“Now is the time to make yourself as safe as you can be.”

The Echo’s photos show cyclists at 14 metres from a car’s headlights – the stopping distance at 30mph.

Police last year began a series of operations with a presence a Bournemouth Cemetery Junction in December.

Officers stopped 33 riders in two hours and issued fines. They plan to carry out another series of operations in the next few months.

Last winter, they concentrated on Wallisdown Road, a busy commuter spot that also includes the most accident prone spot for cyclists in the whole town, the roundabout which joins to Wimborne Road.

PC Hammond said: “Cyclists can change how they look to motorists relatively simply and cheaply – after all, how much is your life worth?”

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2:52pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Ash_69 says...

www.on-one.co.uk
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You can get a set of lights for under a Fiver!! Much cheaper than a fine.
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Yes I cycle - and yes I want to see as many offenders caught as possible.
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Saturday Night, my son wanted to cycle round to his friend - about 500m away - I asked him if he had lights on and he said no - so I wouldn't let him go on the bike - he had to walk instead.
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Get lights!! No excuses!!
www.on-one.co.uk . You can get a set of lights for under a Fiver!! Much cheaper than a fine. . Yes I cycle - and yes I want to see as many offenders caught as possible. . Saturday Night, my son wanted to cycle round to his friend - about 500m away - I asked him if he had lights on and he said no - so I wouldn't let him go on the bike - he had to walk instead. . Get lights!! No excuses!! Ash_69
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3:16pm Mon 31 Oct 11

thevisitor says...

Once again the so say 'website of the year' gets it so wrong again. The 'stopping distance for a motor car at 30mph is 23 metres and NOT 14 metres (that is the braking distance). If you thought you were going to stop in that distance Mr Bailey you have killed him! Oh and by the way, just incase you didnt notice, the clocks actually went back to GMT yesterday!!!
Once again the so say 'website of the year' gets it so wrong again. The 'stopping distance for a motor car at 30mph is 23 metres and NOT 14 metres (that is the braking distance). If you thought you were going to stop in that distance Mr Bailey you have killed him! Oh and by the way, just incase you didnt notice, the clocks actually went back to GMT yesterday!!! thevisitor
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3:46pm Mon 31 Oct 11

tony.b says...

I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver.
On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony
I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony tony.b
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4:07pm Mon 31 Oct 11

djd says...

tony.b wrote:
I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver.
On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony
They won't be giving the money back. If the offender buys lights, the ticket is cancelled.
If they pay that's an admission of guilt and they don't get the money back.
[quote][p][bold]tony.b[/bold] wrote: I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony[/p][/quote]They won't be giving the money back. If the offender buys lights, the ticket is cancelled. If they pay that's an admission of guilt and they don't get the money back. djd
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5:12pm Mon 31 Oct 11

rayc says...

When this topic came up on this forum last year a cyclist said that bikes do not need lights as it is the responsibility of drivers to proceed at a speed where their lights show up all obstructions which includes cycists.
When this topic came up on this forum last year a cyclist said that bikes do not need lights as it is the responsibility of drivers to proceed at a speed where their lights show up all obstructions which includes cycists. rayc
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5:17pm Mon 31 Oct 11

rayc says...

tony.b wrote:
I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony
Car drivers who have minor lighting faults can be offered the opportunity under the Vehicle Defect Rectification Scheme to rectify the fault within a short time and for no further action to be taken. It is only fair that this is also applied to cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]tony.b[/bold] wrote: I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony[/p][/quote]Car drivers who have minor lighting faults can be offered the opportunity under the Vehicle Defect Rectification Scheme to rectify the fault within a short time and for no further action to be taken. It is only fair that this is also applied to cyclists. rayc
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5:38pm Mon 31 Oct 11

oldgiraffe says...

Are flashing cycle light legal?
Are steady LED lights legal or are they too small?
Are flashing cycle light legal? Are steady LED lights legal or are they too small? oldgiraffe
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5:52pm Mon 31 Oct 11

downfader says...

oldgiraffe wrote:
Are flashing cycle light legal?
Are steady LED lights legal or are they too small?
Yes under the 2005 amendments flashing are legal:
http://www.ctc.org.u
k/desktopdefault.asp
x?tabid=4071

Steady LED are legal too.

Technically it has to conform to British Standards and carry a BS licence on the light (kite mark iirc), the vast majority of manufacturers cannot afford to go through with the licensing process but the authorities are usually happy if said light fits the criteria (eg has a German Standard instead - the best one in Europe, possibly the world).
[quote][p][bold]oldgiraffe[/bold] wrote: Are flashing cycle light legal? Are steady LED lights legal or are they too small?[/p][/quote]Yes under the 2005 amendments flashing are legal: http://www.ctc.org.u k/desktopdefault.asp x?tabid=4071 Steady LED are legal too. Technically it has to conform to British Standards and carry a BS licence on the light (kite mark iirc), the vast majority of manufacturers cannot afford to go through with the licensing process but the authorities are usually happy if said light fits the criteria (eg has a German Standard instead - the best one in Europe, possibly the world). downfader
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6:01pm Mon 31 Oct 11

downfader says...

Last year when the clocks went back my workmate got caught out and forgot his lights. I keep a spare, cheap set in my locker and gave him the set so he could ride home safely.

He was down-to-earth about it. He would have walked but a bike is sometimes tricky to walk across a road when crossing.

I really don't see what excuse ANYONE can come up with to not have lights and still ride. Other road users actively LOOK for lights, its that simple.

I saw a very close call last week when a driver went to pull out and an unlit cyclist managed to swing around his bonnet - his scream was bloody-curdling. I hope it and my shouting "lights would have stopped that" at him from my own bike make the guy think. He must have been around early 20s, the few I see tend to be young.
Last year when the clocks went back my workmate got caught out and forgot his lights. I keep a spare, cheap set in my locker and gave him the set so he could ride home safely. He was down-to-earth about it. He would have walked but a bike is sometimes tricky to walk across a road when crossing. I really don't see what excuse ANYONE can come up with to not have lights and still ride. Other road users actively LOOK for lights, its that simple. I saw a very close call last week when a driver went to pull out and an unlit cyclist managed to swing around his bonnet - his scream was bloody-curdling. I hope it and my shouting "lights would have stopped that" at him from my own bike make the guy think. He must have been around early 20s, the few I see tend to be young. downfader
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9:00pm Mon 31 Oct 11

elaine191261 says...

saw people tonight while walking my dog along iford bridge with no lights and all in black!!! i could hardly see them,its a good idea but dont give them the money back,and please not to go on pavements ,so frightening when coming from behind,perhaps the police should start looking here as such a busy road !!!it makes me so cross!!!!!!!!!
saw people tonight while walking my dog along iford bridge with no lights and all in black!!! i could hardly see them,its a good idea but dont give them the money back,and please not to go on pavements ,so frightening when coming from behind,perhaps the police should start looking here as such a busy road !!!it makes me so cross!!!!!!!!! elaine191261
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10:58pm Mon 31 Oct 11

darren_55 says...

rayc wrote:
When this topic came up on this forum last year a cyclist said that bikes do not need lights as it is the responsibility of drivers to proceed at a speed where their lights show up all obstructions which includes cycists.
No one said cyclists should not have lights. But the obligation on motorists is correct.

Debris in the road, elderly pedestrians and new forest ponies do not have lights. Kerbstones, junctions, bends, and speed bumps usually lack lights or hi-viz. All are regular features of local roads, and tend to be found in, on, or at the side of the road.

Motorists are required to drive with due care and attention, and to adapt their driving to the conditions at hand. In simple terms, the latter half of the cyclists' statement is correct.

You might not like this, but it is the law, it is quite fair, and there is little you can do about it.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: When this topic came up on this forum last year a cyclist said that bikes do not need lights as it is the responsibility of drivers to proceed at a speed where their lights show up all obstructions which includes cycists.[/p][/quote]No one said cyclists should not have lights. But the obligation on motorists is correct. Debris in the road, elderly pedestrians and new forest ponies do not have lights. Kerbstones, junctions, bends, and speed bumps usually lack lights or hi-viz. All are regular features of local roads, and tend to be found in, on, or at the side of the road. Motorists are required to drive with due care and attention, and to adapt their driving to the conditions at hand. In simple terms, the latter half of the cyclists' statement is correct. You might not like this, but it is the law, it is quite fair, and there is little you can do about it. darren_55
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11:04pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Dorset Mitch says...

Taken from the Direct Gov website from the highway code, at the end it details the law that applies, not just a guideline:

"At night your cycle MUST have white front and red rear lights lit. It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen. Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp.

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Taken from the Direct Gov website from the highway code, at the end it details the law that applies, not just a guideline: "At night your cycle MUST have white front and red rear lights lit. It MUST also be fitted with a red rear reflector (and amber pedal reflectors, if manufactured after 1/10/85). White front reflectors and spoke reflectors will also help you to be seen. Flashing lights are permitted but it is recommended that cyclists who are riding in areas without street lighting use a steady front lamp. [Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24)]" Dorset Mitch
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11:06pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Dorset Mitch says...

Sorry the last bit was cut off:
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Sorry the last bit was cut off: . [Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24)] Dorset Mitch
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11:06pm Mon 31 Oct 11

Dorset Mitch says...

Third time lucky!
(Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24)
Third time lucky! (Law RVLR regs 13, 18 & 24) Dorset Mitch
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8:26am Tue 1 Nov 11

O'Really says...

Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them.
Help them fit them.
It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights.
Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them. Help them fit them. It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights. O'Really
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8:26am Tue 1 Nov 11

O'Really says...

Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them.
Help them fit them.
It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights.
Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them. Help them fit them. It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights. O'Really
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8:54am Tue 1 Nov 11

Repo says...

It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.
It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path. Repo
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9:08am Tue 1 Nov 11

hammer says...

tony.b wrote:
I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony
So you don't see any cyclists jumping the lights then?
[quote][p][bold]tony.b[/bold] wrote: I agree that lights should be used but don't give the offending 'riders' the money back! And yes I'm a cyclist as well as a driver. On a side note though if the Police are serious about road safety could they moniter the traffic lights in Alma Rd junction of Heron Court Rd next to Linwood School and watch how many drivers 'jump the lights!' Tony[/p][/quote]So you don't see any cyclists jumping the lights then? hammer
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11:33am Tue 1 Nov 11

MandinVerwood says...

A story about cyclists and Hammer crawls out from under her bridge. Clip Clop Clip Clop...

Nothing relevant to say about the story – just trying to get her snide little comments in.

Back to the article in question – I agree with most of the above posters – lights have come on leaps and bound over recent years and as a bonus come down in price too. There is no excuse not to have some on your bike. I ride whenever I can (with my family too) and sometimes we can be lit up like a Disney World float! Don’t forget the reflective clothing & stickers – they really catch car’s head lights and anything to help then notice you is a good thing.

And even though the law does still put the driver in the hot seat if they hit things in the dark, we as cyclists can do everything in our powers to avoid those incidents.
A story about cyclists and Hammer crawls out from under her bridge. Clip Clop Clip Clop... Nothing relevant to say about the story – just trying to get her snide little comments in. Back to the article in question – I agree with most of the above posters – lights have come on leaps and bound over recent years and as a bonus come down in price too. There is no excuse not to have some on your bike. I ride whenever I can (with my family too) and sometimes we can be lit up like a Disney World float! Don’t forget the reflective clothing & stickers – they really catch car’s head lights and anything to help then notice you is a good thing. And even though the law does still put the driver in the hot seat if they hit things in the dark, we as cyclists can do everything in our powers to avoid those incidents. MandinVerwood
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2:50pm Tue 1 Nov 11

penhale says...

Repo wrote:
It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.
You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.[/p][/quote]You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then. penhale
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3:46pm Tue 1 Nov 11

hammer says...

MandinVerwood wrote:
A story about cyclists and Hammer crawls out from under her bridge. Clip Clop Clip Clop... Nothing relevant to say about the story – just trying to get her snide little comments in. Back to the article in question – I agree with most of the above posters – lights have come on leaps and bound over recent years and as a bonus come down in price too. There is no excuse not to have some on your bike. I ride whenever I can (with my family too) and sometimes we can be lit up like a Disney World float! Don’t forget the reflective clothing & stickers – they really catch car’s head lights and anything to help then notice you is a good thing. And even though the law does still put the driver in the hot seat if they hit things in the dark, we as cyclists can do everything in our powers to avoid those incidents.
Bet you look like Goofy LMAO!
[quote][p][bold]MandinVerwood[/bold] wrote: A story about cyclists and Hammer crawls out from under her bridge. Clip Clop Clip Clop... Nothing relevant to say about the story – just trying to get her snide little comments in. Back to the article in question – I agree with most of the above posters – lights have come on leaps and bound over recent years and as a bonus come down in price too. There is no excuse not to have some on your bike. I ride whenever I can (with my family too) and sometimes we can be lit up like a Disney World float! Don’t forget the reflective clothing & stickers – they really catch car’s head lights and anything to help then notice you is a good thing. And even though the law does still put the driver in the hot seat if they hit things in the dark, we as cyclists can do everything in our powers to avoid those incidents.[/p][/quote]Bet you look like Goofy LMAO! hammer
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4:02pm Tue 1 Nov 11

downfader says...

O'Really wrote:
Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them.
Help them fit them.
It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights.
Madison/Blackburn (who make a number of lights) have been doing freebies in London and a couple of other cities this year. Its been part of a concerted charity effort to give quality lights to those that struggle to afford them, and to make others who have ridden unlit safer.

Other companies might follow, who knows. Several cycle clubs/campaigns now give away free lights upon joining, too.
[quote][p][bold]O'Really[/bold] wrote: Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them. Help them fit them. It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights.[/p][/quote]Madison/Blackburn (who make a number of lights) have been doing freebies in London and a couple of other cities this year. Its been part of a concerted charity effort to give quality lights to those that struggle to afford them, and to make others who have ridden unlit safer. Other companies might follow, who knows. Several cycle clubs/campaigns now give away free lights upon joining, too. downfader
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4:05pm Tue 1 Nov 11

downfader says...

penhale wrote:
Repo wrote:
It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.
You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.
No need to be rude at the fella, they're doing the right thing.
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.[/p][/quote]You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.[/p][/quote]No need to be rude at the fella, they're doing the right thing. downfader
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4:14pm Tue 1 Nov 11

downfader says...

Repo wrote:
It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.
As per my above comment - consider looking at joining a cycle club or campaign as you sometimes get decent lights free (member ship brings other benefits like insurance and legal cover)

Failing that, depending on your budget there's lots to choose from. There are essentially 2 types of light, to be seen by, and to see with.

The latter gives you many options that will light up dark towpaths, unlit roads and cycleways. £80 will get you a Hope Vision 1 - 180 lumens, good beam with 3 brightness settings and 1 flash on low. B&M make decent seeing-with lights in this price bracket.

£10 will get you a tesco torch (or equivalent). 1w cree LED, around 100 lumens. Buy a "two fish lock block" (velcro fastener) for the handlebars and you've got a reasonable light.

Look at lights by Smart, too. If you have a really good budget, £200+, you can get lights such as the Exposures. The Strada or above are superb, the best built lights and fittings for the money imo.
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.[/p][/quote]As per my above comment - consider looking at joining a cycle club or campaign as you sometimes get decent lights free (member ship brings other benefits like insurance and legal cover) Failing that, depending on your budget there's lots to choose from. There are essentially 2 types of light, to be seen by, and to see with. The latter gives you many options that will light up dark towpaths, unlit roads and cycleways. £80 will get you a Hope Vision 1 - 180 lumens, good beam with 3 brightness settings and 1 flash on low. B&M make decent seeing-with lights in this price bracket. £10 will get you a tesco torch (or equivalent). 1w cree LED, around 100 lumens. Buy a "two fish lock block" (velcro fastener) for the handlebars and you've got a reasonable light. Look at lights by Smart, too. If you have a really good budget, £200+, you can get lights such as the Exposures. The Strada or above are superb, the best built lights and fittings for the money imo. downfader
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5:07pm Tue 1 Nov 11

penhale says...

downfader wrote:
penhale wrote:
Repo wrote:
It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.
You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.
No need to be rude at the fella, they're doing the right thing.
How am I being rude then, just asking a simple question.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.[/p][/quote]You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.[/p][/quote]No need to be rude at the fella, they're doing the right thing.[/p][/quote]How am I being rude then, just asking a simple question. penhale
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5:11pm Tue 1 Nov 11

udaku says...

If you want to see where you are going don't waste your money on fancy ripoff cycle lights.
B&Q 2aa led torch, 120 lumen for twenty pounds.
Most cycle specific kit is a complete con and use seperate battery and the cable pops out when downhilling, nearly killed me a few times when I had a set made by a local company.
Torches are far better for all but the cash flash posers.
If you want to see where you are going don't waste your money on fancy ripoff cycle lights. B&Q 2aa led torch, 120 lumen for twenty pounds. Most cycle specific kit is a complete con and use seperate battery and the cable pops out when downhilling, nearly killed me a few times when I had a set made by a local company. Torches are far better for all but the cash flash posers. udaku
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5:12pm Tue 1 Nov 11

penhale says...

O'Really wrote:
Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them.
Help them fit them.
It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights.
Don't agree with that at all, if youngsters cant afford the lights to go out at night then the parents are failing their children by not getting them some, they are only a fiver, not a great amount of money to keep your children safe and more importantly alive.
[quote][p][bold]O'Really[/bold] wrote: Instead of 'crackdown crackdown crackdown', perhaps it would be more positive and useful for the police to give out lights to those that do not have them. Help them fit them. It's mostly the youngsters who don't have much money who don't have lights.[/p][/quote]Don't agree with that at all, if youngsters cant afford the lights to go out at night then the parents are failing their children by not getting them some, they are only a fiver, not a great amount of money to keep your children safe and more importantly alive. penhale
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6:02pm Tue 1 Nov 11

downfader says...

penhale wrote:
downfader wrote:
penhale wrote:
Repo wrote:
It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.
You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.
No need to be rude at the fella, they're doing the right thing.
How am I being rude then, just asking a simple question.
You asked something irrelevant to their situation, that is rude. It would be like me asking you to slow down and obey the limit on the basis of you simply saying you drove to work this morning.
[quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhale[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: It’s a shame that Poole council use road safety as an excuse to deploy speed cameras, then switch off half the street lights on some of the busiest roads (Canford way) to save money. Even with lights on my bike I can hardly see the road in some of these places, and last week nearly collided with a pedestrian (dressed in black) on the shared cycle path.[/p][/quote]You must know how hard it is for car drivers to see cyclists without lights and dressed all in black then.[/p][/quote]No need to be rude at the fella, they're doing the right thing.[/p][/quote]How am I being rude then, just asking a simple question.[/p][/quote]You asked something irrelevant to their situation, that is rude. It would be like me asking you to slow down and obey the limit on the basis of you simply saying you drove to work this morning. downfader
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udaku wrote:
If you want to see where you are going don't waste your money on fancy ripoff cycle lights.
B&Q 2aa led torch, 120 lumen for twenty pounds.
Most cycle specific kit is a complete con and use seperate battery and the cable pops out when downhilling, nearly killed me a few times when I had a set made by a local company.
Torches are far better for all but the cash flash posers.
Switch over to an internal battery system instead. That'll stop the battery disconnecting. Or glue, screw a retaining bracket over the cable to hold it in.

The B&Q torch is the same cree LED setup as the £10 tesco, just a different chassis/handle.

I will point out that using a torch means there will be head height illumination - better for off road, but you will have to angle it down on the road itself. 2 reasons imo: 1 is dazzling others, and 2 is how it will kind of hide your body making signals less easy to see.
[quote][p][bold]udaku[/bold] wrote: If you want to see where you are going don't waste your money on fancy ripoff cycle lights. B&Q 2aa led torch, 120 lumen for twenty pounds. Most cycle specific kit is a complete con and use seperate battery and the cable pops out when downhilling, nearly killed me a few times when I had a set made by a local company. Torches are far better for all but the cash flash posers.[/p][/quote]Switch over to an internal battery system instead. That'll stop the battery disconnecting. Or glue, screw a retaining bracket over the cable to hold it in. The B&Q torch is the same cree LED setup as the £10 tesco, just a different chassis/handle. I will point out that using a torch means there will be head height illumination - better for off road, but you will have to angle it down on the road itself. 2 reasons imo: 1 is dazzling others, and 2 is how it will kind of hide your body making signals less easy to see. downfader
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