Council considering charge for green bins

Garden Waste charge: Changes are afoot

Garden Waste charge: Changes are afoot

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RESIDENTS could be charged for recycling their garden waste – and banned from putting it in their regular bins.

Poole council is considering charging £31 a year to collect their garden cuttings – a service that is currently free.

At present 22,000 households in the town have green bins which are collected for free every fortnight between April and October.

But the council is considering an opt-in chargeable scheme available to all, which is expected to raise £540,000 a year.

Only five authorities have moved from a free to a chargeable green waste scheme while others have scrapped the idea because of opposition.

“Demand from properties currently without a green bin cannot be met,” said Shaun Robson, head of environmental and consumer protection in his report.

“There is no funding available to pay for new bins or operational collection costs to deliver an extended scheme.”

The report says it is “essential that a ban on putting garden waste in regular black bins is introduced at the same time.

“This policy would be implemented by education and persuasion,” it says.

It adds: “If a chargeable scheme is implemented, there must be a no green waste in the black bin policy. This policy change would have the added benefit of increasing the borough’s recycling rate.”

However some residents who currently receive the service say charging is “underhand” and will undermine the goodwill and support of the public.

“This move will reduce the amount of material recycled and lose public support for an aspect of the borough’s work that is generally well supported and popular, ” said Poole resident Tim Meachin. The borough’s environment overview and scrutiny committee will be recommending to cabinet today that it approves a six-week consultation exercise on the introduction of a chargeable garden waste scheme.

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10:31am Tue 14 Jun 11

fossilmole says...

We already pay for bin collections !!!!!


It's called COUNCIL TAX ...and it's massive already!!!!

Where do these people think we get the money to just cough up for any charge they can dream up?
We already pay for bin collections !!!!! It's called COUNCIL TAX ...and it's massive already!!!! Where do these people think we get the money to just cough up for any charge they can dream up? fossilmole
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10:34am Tue 14 Jun 11

fossilmole says...

Oh! I've just read '6 WEEK CONSULTATION EXERCISE'

That's modern-day politician scam-speak for 'Going-to-do-it-anyw
ay-but we'll-pretend-you can-influence-the-de
cision!'
Oh! I've just read '6 WEEK CONSULTATION EXERCISE' That's modern-day politician scam-speak for 'Going-to-do-it-anyw ay-but we'll-pretend-you can-influence-the-de cision!' fossilmole
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10:38am Tue 14 Jun 11

Phixer says...

“If a chargeable scheme is implemented, there must be a no green waste in the black bin policy."


Return of the bin police and CCTV cameras to catch perpertrators.


“This policy change would have the added benefit of increasing the borough’s recycling rate.”


Um, how does green waste affect re-cycling of paper, glass, etc?
“If a chargeable scheme is implemented, there must be a no green waste in the black bin policy." Return of the bin police and CCTV cameras to catch perpertrators. “This policy change would have the added benefit of increasing the borough’s recycling rate.” Um, how does green waste affect re-cycling of paper, glass, etc? Phixer
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10:46am Tue 14 Jun 11

Adrian XX says...

I will compost what I can and burn the rest. I won't be paying the charge.
I will compost what I can and burn the rest. I won't be paying the charge. Adrian XX
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10:47am Tue 14 Jun 11

penhale says...

There must be an office in every council building with a couple of brain dead dimwits thinking up every conceivable way to extract more and more of peoples money from their bank accounts.
Far from increasing the recycling rate it would increase the fly tipping rate then council tax would be raised again to clear up the mess the council causes by it's stupid ideas.
There must be an office in every council building with a couple of brain dead dimwits thinking up every conceivable way to extract more and more of peoples money from their bank accounts. Far from increasing the recycling rate it would increase the fly tipping rate then council tax would be raised again to clear up the mess the council causes by it's stupid ideas. penhale
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10:51am Tue 14 Jun 11

contric says...

it is about time hard working overtaxed people said enough is enough as has been pointed out we pay extortionate amounts of council tax for next to nothing if they bring an extra charge in where i live i will just say it is a waste of time playing by the rules i will be definitely fly tipping
it is about time hard working overtaxed people said enough is enough as has been pointed out we pay extortionate amounts of council tax for next to nothing if they bring an extra charge in where i live i will just say it is a waste of time playing by the rules i will be definitely fly tipping contric
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11:06am Tue 14 Jun 11

High Treason says...

Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.
Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you. High Treason
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11:08am Tue 14 Jun 11

Panonica says...

Could never understand this scheme. Home composting is so easy and people have done it for generations. I'd want to be paid to part with my garden waste. No way would I hand it over for free, even less pay someone to take it away.
Could never understand this scheme. Home composting is so easy and people have done it for generations. I'd want to be paid to part with my garden waste. No way would I hand it over for free, even less pay someone to take it away. Panonica
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11:15am Tue 14 Jun 11

Xchurch-man says...

Get an old metal oil drum, remove the top, knock a few holes in and around the base, and stand it on some bricks.
Place garden rubbish inside and apply a Swan Vesta. (Best done after dark)
Simples!!
Get an old metal oil drum, remove the top, knock a few holes in and around the base, and stand it on some bricks. Place garden rubbish inside and apply a Swan Vesta. (Best done after dark) Simples!! Xchurch-man
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11:18am Tue 14 Jun 11

B'mth 56 says...

Back to the good old days of burning rubbish. Smoke filled gardens, debris flying around and washing on the line smelling of smoke. How about that for a cleaner environment! Typical council not working with the residents. Easy solution - bombard all local councillors by phone and email day and night until they get the message - no more extra charges.
Back to the good old days of burning rubbish. Smoke filled gardens, debris flying around and washing on the line smelling of smoke. How about that for a cleaner environment! Typical council not working with the residents. Easy solution - bombard all local councillors by phone and email day and night until they get the message - no more extra charges. B'mth 56
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11:19am Tue 14 Jun 11

bgf2 says...

Or we could learn from Bratton Fleming in Devon: http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-13394902
Or we could learn from Bratton Fleming in Devon: http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-13394902 bgf2
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11:20am Tue 14 Jun 11

dterrey says...

So why are we paying so much council tax?
So why are we paying so much council tax? dterrey
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11:21am Tue 14 Jun 11

UltraZippy says...

Hang about. I saw a programme on BBC1 not too long ago showing Poole recycling of garden waste being sold back as compost. All part of their multiple- million pound state of the art recycling centre. Are they going to give people a cut of the profits?
Hang about. I saw a programme on BBC1 not too long ago showing Poole recycling of garden waste being sold back as compost. All part of their multiple- million pound state of the art recycling centre. Are they going to give people a cut of the profits? UltraZippy
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11:25am Tue 14 Jun 11

Xchurch-man says...

Burning garden waste is actually better for the environment than composting.
Composting produces large amounts of methane a potent greenhouse gas.
The CO2 produced from burning garden waste is not fossil CO2 so has no effect, and will be re-used by plants.
The remaining ash is high in potash and good to dig into the garden soil and sprinkle round and water in.
Snails and slugs also seem to hate it but it wont harm hedgehogs!
Do however try to burn at night so as to stay within by-laws and avoid spoiling your neighbours clean laundry!!
Give the greedy jobsworth b*st*rds no more of your hard earned cash.
Burning garden waste is actually better for the environment than composting. Composting produces large amounts of methane a potent greenhouse gas. The CO2 produced from burning garden waste is not fossil CO2 so has no effect, and will be re-used by plants. The remaining ash is high in potash and good to dig into the garden soil and sprinkle round and water in. Snails and slugs also seem to hate it but it wont harm hedgehogs! Do however try to burn at night so as to stay within by-laws and avoid spoiling your neighbours clean laundry!! Give the greedy jobsworth b*st*rds no more of your hard earned cash. Xchurch-man
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11:26am Tue 14 Jun 11

Adrian XX says...

Panonica wrote:
Could never understand this scheme. Home composting is so easy and people have done it for generations. I'd want to be paid to part with my garden waste. No way would I hand it over for free, even less pay someone to take it away.
Available compost bins are far too small for many people. I built a 1700 litre wooden compost bin but I don't put twigs and small branches in. They take far too long to compost.
[quote][p][bold]Panonica[/bold] wrote: Could never understand this scheme. Home composting is so easy and people have done it for generations. I'd want to be paid to part with my garden waste. No way would I hand it over for free, even less pay someone to take it away.[/p][/quote]Available compost bins are far too small for many people. I built a 1700 litre wooden compost bin but I don't put twigs and small branches in. They take far too long to compost. Adrian XX
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11:49am Tue 14 Jun 11

Merleyman says...

Did any of the Councillors include this possibility in their recent election manifestos?
Did any of the Councillors include this possibility in their recent election manifestos? Merleyman
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11:50am Tue 14 Jun 11

content of Broadstone says...

Adrian XX wrote:
Panonica wrote: Could never understand this scheme. Home composting is so easy and people have done it for generations. I'd want to be paid to part with my garden waste. No way would I hand it over for free, even less pay someone to take it away.
Available compost bins are far too small for many people. I built a 1700 litre wooden compost bin but I don't put twigs and small branches in. They take far too long to compost.
If I recall the B of P intriduced this scheme to attain government targets for waste recycling. These targets were recorded as percentages of waste recycled. By adding green waste collections, the volume of waste was increased and therefore the percentage of waste recycled increased accordingly, therby meeting environmental targets. A good ruse by the council at the time.
[quote][p][bold]Adrian XX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Panonica[/bold] wrote: Could never understand this scheme. Home composting is so easy and people have done it for generations. I'd want to be paid to part with my garden waste. No way would I hand it over for free, even less pay someone to take it away.[/p][/quote]Available compost bins are far too small for many people. I built a 1700 litre wooden compost bin but I don't put twigs and small branches in. They take far too long to compost.[/p][/quote]If I recall the B of P intriduced this scheme to attain government targets for waste recycling. These targets were recorded as percentages of waste recycled. By adding green waste collections, the volume of waste was increased and therefore the percentage of waste recycled increased accordingly, therby meeting environmental targets. A good ruse by the council at the time. content of Broadstone
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11:54am Tue 14 Jun 11

Merleyman says...

£31 first year. £58 second year? Who knows how high it will then be in 3rd and subsequent years.
£31 first year. £58 second year? Who knows how high it will then be in 3rd and subsequent years. Merleyman
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12:05pm Tue 14 Jun 11

frarog says...

Wonder how much extra it will cost the council to clear up all the extra fly tipping that is almost certainly going to happen!
Wonder how much extra it will cost the council to clear up all the extra fly tipping that is almost certainly going to happen! frarog
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12:08pm Tue 14 Jun 11

solitaire says...

Local councils have had funding slashed - yet why is the UK is giving an extra $1.34 billion for immunisation in poor countries? Those countries have no birth control, can't afford to feed the children they already have, and the rest of the world feels obliged to stick its beak in and help. Having saved them from illness/disease, how are they going to feed themselves? It'll be a bottomless pit for UK taxpayers, with the next batch of sprogs needing immunising. The UK is a disgrace. Taking from it's own people, making their lives as unpleasant as possible. Cameron should be putting his energy into making the drug companies charge less for these vaccines. As for Blair and Brown I choke when I say their names.
Local councils have had funding slashed - yet why is the UK is giving an extra $1.34 billion for immunisation in poor countries? Those countries have no birth control, can't afford to feed the children they already have, and the rest of the world feels obliged to stick its beak in and help. Having saved them from illness/disease, how are they going to feed themselves? It'll be a bottomless pit for UK taxpayers, with the next batch of sprogs needing immunising. The UK is a disgrace. Taking from it's own people, making their lives as unpleasant as possible. Cameron should be putting his energy into making the drug companies charge less for these vaccines. As for Blair and Brown I choke when I say their names. solitaire
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12:08pm Tue 14 Jun 11

The Liberal says...

dterrey wrote:
So why are we paying so much council tax?
Overpaid executives with gold-plated pensions, who come up with hare-brained schemes such as this?
[quote][p][bold]dterrey[/bold] wrote: So why are we paying so much council tax?[/p][/quote]Overpaid executives with gold-plated pensions, who come up with hare-brained schemes such as this? The Liberal
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12:09pm Tue 14 Jun 11

djdaface says...

I have been trying to get a green waste bin for 6 months and have been told i wont get one until next april

the whole process seems a little pointless already
I have been trying to get a green waste bin for 6 months and have been told i wont get one until next april the whole process seems a little pointless already djdaface
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12:10pm Tue 14 Jun 11

The Liberal says...

This will surely lead to more people driving down to the tip with their garden waste. How green is that? Mind you, they'll probably start charging us to dump it (or anything else) there soon.
This will surely lead to more people driving down to the tip with their garden waste. How green is that? Mind you, they'll probably start charging us to dump it (or anything else) there soon. The Liberal
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12:11pm Tue 14 Jun 11

EGHH says...

Were I live we don't have green bins and use the black bins for garden waste. I know what I'll do. I'll dump mine on the council building steps for them to sort out. I already pay for the service in my council tax so I'm not paying these money grabbing bastards an extra penny. Typical Tory policy.
Were I live we don't have green bins and use the black bins for garden waste. I know what I'll do. I'll dump mine on the council building steps for them to sort out. I already pay for the service in my council tax so I'm not paying these money grabbing bastards an extra penny. Typical Tory policy. EGHH
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12:11pm Tue 14 Jun 11

oldharryrocks! says...

It's not a 'free' service. We are already paying council tax! I thought the council were supposed to be working for us not against us? Only a few years ago everthing went into the same bin. Where does all this 'green waste' go anyway? There must be someone out there already making a lot of money from it. Why not charge them?
It's not a 'free' service. We are already paying council tax! I thought the council were supposed to be working for us not against us? Only a few years ago everthing went into the same bin. Where does all this 'green waste' go anyway? There must be someone out there already making a lot of money from it. Why not charge them? oldharryrocks!
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12:16pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Morrigan says...

So are we to go back to the old days when people used to dump their garden rubbish on Canford Heath?

If so, what about the impact on the environment with all sorts of non-native plants growing freely, some of which are poisonous to animals and birds?

What a ridiculous idea by the BoP. I for one will NOT be paying the charge ..... but I will no doubt be having lots of bonfirres in my garden :o/
So are we to go back to the old days when people used to dump their garden rubbish on Canford Heath? If so, what about the impact on the environment with all sorts of non-native plants growing freely, some of which are poisonous to animals and birds? What a ridiculous idea by the BoP. I for one will NOT be paying the charge ..... but I will no doubt be having lots of bonfirres in my garden :o/ Morrigan
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12:21pm Tue 14 Jun 11

ben111 says...

OH no what are we goig to do , we have a short fall , How can we stealth tax the general public , I know lets make them pay for their garden waste . THEY MIGHT JUST BUY IT .
OH no what are we goig to do , we have a short fall , How can we stealth tax the general public , I know lets make them pay for their garden waste . THEY MIGHT JUST BUY IT . ben111
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12:34pm Tue 14 Jun 11

kiltnasty says...

When can they pick up my green bin which I will return if a charge is raised? The extra charge will just go to boosting pensions, councillors expenses and flights of fancy!
When can they pick up my green bin which I will return if a charge is raised? The extra charge will just go to boosting pensions, councillors expenses and flights of fancy! kiltnasty
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12:34pm Tue 14 Jun 11

gileto says...

Those who have been lucky enough to have a green bin for so long should count themselves lucky - we've mostly gardens in my Upper Parkstone road and surrounding roads but have NEVER had any green bins.
Our council taxes have been subsidising those with green bins for years.
Doesn't really seem fair to have 'haves' and 'have nots' when all pay council tax?
Those who have been lucky enough to have a green bin for so long should count themselves lucky - we've mostly gardens in my Upper Parkstone road and surrounding roads but have NEVER had any green bins. Our council taxes have been subsidising those with green bins for years. Doesn't really seem fair to have 'haves' and 'have nots' when all pay council tax? gileto
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12:41pm Tue 14 Jun 11

miketheplumb says...

OK so bear in mind, this is already a done deal, it's leaked like to "ease" the public anger.
Seems like more fly tipping down arrowsmith road is likely, take a drive down then and check the electrical items dumped as people wont pay for removal.
I suppose the next step now is to drop BLACK bin collections down to 2 a month to save money to provide this free paid service.
OOPS shouldn't have mentioned that should I??
OK so bear in mind, this is already a done deal, it's leaked like to "ease" the public anger. Seems like more fly tipping down arrowsmith road is likely, take a drive down then and check the electrical items dumped as people wont pay for removal. I suppose the next step now is to drop BLACK bin collections down to 2 a month to save money to provide this free paid service. OOPS shouldn't have mentioned that should I?? miketheplumb
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12:46pm Tue 14 Jun 11

rayc says...

High Treason wrote:
Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.
I do not have any children at school can I opt out of paying for education? I also do not have any elderly relatives can I opt out of paying for the care of old people? Do the council pay anything towards gay or disabled groups? I'm neither of them can I opt out please, the Blue Badge scheme must be costin a fair bit.?
I never drive over the speed limit so can I please not pay the council to fund Dorset Roadsafe?
All in it together - you have to be joking this is Britain in 2011.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.[/p][/quote]I do not have any children at school can I opt out of paying for education? I also do not have any elderly relatives can I opt out of paying for the care of old people? Do the council pay anything towards gay or disabled groups? I'm neither of them can I opt out please, the Blue Badge scheme must be costin a fair bit.? I never drive over the speed limit so can I please not pay the council to fund Dorset Roadsafe? All in it together - you have to be joking this is Britain in 2011. rayc
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12:49pm Tue 14 Jun 11

rayc says...

There is a council owned Silver Birch tree on their property adjacent to mine. Each Autumn I have to clear the many thousands of leaves it sheds from gutters and pathways. Now they want to charge me to get rid of the rubbish they created.
There is a council owned Silver Birch tree on their property adjacent to mine. Each Autumn I have to clear the many thousands of leaves it sheds from gutters and pathways. Now they want to charge me to get rid of the rubbish they created. rayc
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12:54pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Sagacity says...

The council must have been talking to Ryanair. Charge extra for everything you can get away with.
The council must have been talking to Ryanair. Charge extra for everything you can get away with. Sagacity
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1:08pm Tue 14 Jun 11

RetailTherapy says...

The council can take my fee from when then dont collect my black and blue bins when there is adverse weather collections. As im sure i didn't see a rebate in last months council tax bill when they didn't collect for two weeks.
The council can take my fee from when then dont collect my black and blue bins when there is adverse weather collections. As im sure i didn't see a rebate in last months council tax bill when they didn't collect for two weeks. RetailTherapy
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1:24pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Dorset Mitch says...

We already have to pay in the North of the County. Shaftesbury is still on bin bag collection but Gillingham is on 3 bins blue (household/landfill) brown (food and cardboard) and then a green recycling bin for plastic and tin. Any garden waste has to be taken to the local recycling centre (or to your own compost bin). Works fine up here, ok can be a pain when its busy up the recycling centre but they take so much stuff up there, can clear a lot out in one go.
We already have to pay in the North of the County. Shaftesbury is still on bin bag collection but Gillingham is on 3 bins blue (household/landfill) brown (food and cardboard) and then a green recycling bin for plastic and tin. Any garden waste has to be taken to the local recycling centre (or to your own compost bin). Works fine up here, ok can be a pain when its busy up the recycling centre but they take so much stuff up there, can clear a lot out in one go. Dorset Mitch
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1:29pm Tue 14 Jun 11

winton50 says...

Buy yourself a garden shredder.

They reduce your garden waste to a fraction of it's normal size and because they chip stuff up it allows bacteria to get in quicker meaning it composts much quicker.

Then spread it as mulch on your garden.
Buy yourself a garden shredder. They reduce your garden waste to a fraction of it's normal size and because they chip stuff up it allows bacteria to get in quicker meaning it composts much quicker. Then spread it as mulch on your garden. winton50
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1:48pm Tue 14 Jun 11

High Treason says...

winton50 wrote:
Buy yourself a garden shredder.

They reduce your garden waste to a fraction of it's normal size and because they chip stuff up it allows bacteria to get in quicker meaning it composts much quicker.

Then spread it as mulch on your garden.
What! Are you serious? You do not expect all these moaning about paying to have their garden waste collected to buy a shredder. And then really pay money on their electricity bill to use it. Deary me, whatever next. Oh no way. They will think they can have free solar electricity...oops they do if you live in susidised housing.
[quote][p][bold]winton50[/bold] wrote: Buy yourself a garden shredder. They reduce your garden waste to a fraction of it's normal size and because they chip stuff up it allows bacteria to get in quicker meaning it composts much quicker. Then spread it as mulch on your garden.[/p][/quote]What! Are you serious? You do not expect all these moaning about paying to have their garden waste collected to buy a shredder. And then really pay money on their electricity bill to use it. Deary me, whatever next. Oh no way. They will think they can have free solar electricity...oops they do if you live in susidised housing. High Treason
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1:50pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Baysider says...

Is that the sound of arthritic knee joints jerking all over Poole?

Grow up - you probably voted for the government that is rolling out a slash and burn policy through local authourities, now reap the benefits.
Is that the sound of arthritic knee joints jerking all over Poole? Grow up - you probably voted for the government that is rolling out a slash and burn policy through local authourities, now reap the benefits. Baysider
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2:23pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Kat129 says...

I agree with the comment made by rayc from Wimborne. Most of my garden waste is from the huge council owned trees that run along behind my back fence.

If the council start charging I may just dump the leaves back over the fence to their rightful owner (the council).

Is their a petition anywhere to sign? Maybe if enough people oppose the charge the council will not introduce it. Wishful thinking perhaps.
I agree with the comment made by rayc from Wimborne. Most of my garden waste is from the huge council owned trees that run along behind my back fence. If the council start charging I may just dump the leaves back over the fence to their rightful owner (the council). Is their a petition anywhere to sign? Maybe if enough people oppose the charge the council will not introduce it. Wishful thinking perhaps. Kat129
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2:24pm Tue 14 Jun 11

John T says...

Merleyman wrote:
Did any of the Councillors include this possibility in their recent election manifestos?
Many of the Liberal Democrat candidates in the recent local elections in Poole warned residents that this was what their Tory Council was planning to do....but still the electorate voted the Tory Council back.
Perhaps, it was because the Poole Conservatives said that ' we never forget it is your money we are spending'.
Well, personally, it will be my garden waste, not my money, that goes up in smoke in future!
[quote][p][bold]Merleyman[/bold] wrote: Did any of the Councillors include this possibility in their recent election manifestos?[/p][/quote]Many of the Liberal Democrat candidates in the recent local elections in Poole warned residents that this was what their Tory Council was planning to do....but still the electorate voted the Tory Council back. Perhaps, it was because the Poole Conservatives said that ' we never forget it is your money we are spending'. Well, personally, it will be my garden waste, not my money, that goes up in smoke in future! John T
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2:38pm Tue 14 Jun 11

fletch for manager says...

living in christchurch we have had to pay for years for garden rubbish bags which get collected weekly, so get over it.. £31 less than £3 per month good value
living in christchurch we have had to pay for years for garden rubbish bags which get collected weekly, so get over it.. £31 less than £3 per month good value fletch for manager
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3:01pm Tue 14 Jun 11

contric says...

i dont understand high treasons comment why should people who have this service go and by a shredder surely the name of the game is to get better services or keep the existing ones we have did he ever go into work and tell his boss i want less wages and less holidays and can you cut my sick pay please cut my old age pension fight to improve peoples life not make it worse
i dont understand high treasons comment why should people who have this service go and by a shredder surely the name of the game is to get better services or keep the existing ones we have did he ever go into work and tell his boss i want less wages and less holidays and can you cut my sick pay please cut my old age pension fight to improve peoples life not make it worse contric
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3:14pm Tue 14 Jun 11

no vested interest says...

In the city I live,a contractor pays the council so he can pickup the green waste,which then goes to processing plants to be turned into good old organic compost which people buy for,doh!,sorry money.The resident gets rid of a reasonable amount of garden waste,the council after inital cost of waste bins in the first year makes money,I'd say thats a good old win win situation,simple really.
This city was the first in the world in the 80's to provide waste bins for recycling paper,metal,plastic and glass to rate payer's homes for home pickup.Also it implemented a non-draconian laid back system whereby residents felt like they were doing the right thing and contractors made a quid and the council got the rid of its rubbish and made a quid and most importantly in return the cooperation of its residents.You would'nt believe it,Lo! and behold residents start picking up litter in the street too because they actually felt that their contribution was valued and not imposed from above by some weasel at the local town hall.
Why is it that in my hometown the council make life so difficult and expensive for local rate payers when it can be organised so easily,as usuall its a shame and a mystery.Perhaps its because,'hey everyone hates us so much already lets just do we want even if its patently inane and stupid and in the long run loses us the cooperation of the people we represent and loses everyone money',yup its mystery.
In the city I live,a contractor pays the council so he can pickup the green waste,which then goes to processing plants to be turned into good old organic compost which people buy for,doh!,sorry money.The resident gets rid of a reasonable amount of garden waste,the council after inital cost of waste bins in the first year makes money,I'd say thats a good old win win situation,simple really. This city was the first in the world in the 80's to provide waste bins for recycling paper,metal,plastic and glass to rate payer's homes for home pickup.Also it implemented a non-draconian laid back system whereby residents felt like they were doing the right thing and contractors made a quid and the council got the rid of its rubbish and made a quid and most importantly in return the cooperation of its residents.You would'nt believe it,Lo! and behold residents start picking up litter in the street too because they actually felt that their contribution was valued and not imposed from above by some weasel at the local town hall. Why is it that in my hometown the council make life so difficult and expensive for local rate payers when it can be organised so easily,as usuall its a shame and a mystery.Perhaps its because,'hey everyone hates us so much already lets just do we want even if its patently inane and stupid and in the long run loses us the cooperation of the people we represent and loses everyone money',yup its mystery. no vested interest
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4:35pm Tue 14 Jun 11

topofall says...

Can I charge for the Oak leaves from the tree down the road that end up piled between my conservatory and fence. They fill at least one bin and if I stand in the bin and compress the waste and only have it collected every two months will my charge be £7.50?
Can I charge for the Oak leaves from the tree down the road that end up piled between my conservatory and fence. They fill at least one bin and if I stand in the bin and compress the waste and only have it collected every two months will my charge be £7.50? topofall
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4:52pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Quakers2 says...

I hope that you Poole residents who either have or do not have a green bin will still make your views known to the Council. I don’t whether they will bother to read your whinges to the media through this thread so if you have a serious view, make the effort to do it properly as well. If not, stop the moaning!
I hope that you Poole residents who either have or do not have a green bin will still make your views known to the Council. I don’t whether they will bother to read your whinges to the media through this thread so if you have a serious view, make the effort to do it properly as well. If not, stop the moaning! Quakers2
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5:12pm Tue 14 Jun 11

bourne free says...

i would pay to have it collected as i have to put in the black bin now , but will i have 5yrs + credit as i have been paying for 22,000 others to have green bins ?
i would pay to have it collected as i have to put in the black bin now , but will i have 5yrs + credit as i have been paying for 22,000 others to have green bins ? bourne free
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5:22pm Tue 14 Jun 11

s-pb2 says...

rayc wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.
I do not have any children at school can I opt out of paying for education? I also do not have any elderly relatives can I opt out of paying for the care of old people? Do the council pay anything towards gay or disabled groups? I'm neither of them can I opt out please, the Blue Badge scheme must be costin a fair bit.?
I never drive over the speed limit so can I please not pay the council to fund Dorset Roadsafe?
All in it together - you have to be joking this is Britain in 2011.
Yes i agree, and also the council should pay for AFCB as i like going to football, and pay my bar bill too. Gardening is a hobby, it is not an essential or statutory service like education, care homes or childrens services. Why should those without gardens (e.g. most of Boscombe!) have to pay for peoples hobbies. And why in every post you do no matter hat the subject, you have to mention Dorset Roadsafe or the like, its so boring!
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.[/p][/quote]I do not have any children at school can I opt out of paying for education? I also do not have any elderly relatives can I opt out of paying for the care of old people? Do the council pay anything towards gay or disabled groups? I'm neither of them can I opt out please, the Blue Badge scheme must be costin a fair bit.? I never drive over the speed limit so can I please not pay the council to fund Dorset Roadsafe? All in it together - you have to be joking this is Britain in 2011.[/p][/quote]Yes i agree, and also the council should pay for AFCB as i like going to football, and pay my bar bill too. Gardening is a hobby, it is not an essential or statutory service like education, care homes or childrens services. Why should those without gardens (e.g. most of Boscombe!) have to pay for peoples hobbies. And why in every post you do no matter hat the subject, you have to mention Dorset Roadsafe or the like, its so boring! s-pb2
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5:27pm Tue 14 Jun 11

AmsterdamMan says...

The more people pander to these robbing b******s the more it will encourage them....just fly tip or burn it!
The more people pander to these robbing b******s the more it will encourage them....just fly tip or burn it! AmsterdamMan
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5:27pm Tue 14 Jun 11

penhale says...

Is it any wonder why people are ripping up their lawns and replacing them with car parking spaces, the council charge us to park on the road and now to take away garden rubbish so the best idea is have no garden, rip up all the lawns and concrete the lot, problem solved.
Is it any wonder why people are ripping up their lawns and replacing them with car parking spaces, the council charge us to park on the road and now to take away garden rubbish so the best idea is have no garden, rip up all the lawns and concrete the lot, problem solved. penhale
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5:31pm Tue 14 Jun 11

dorset112 says...

I agree with everything that solitaire has said,also we already pay enough in council tax,why is it we british never make a stand,we just lie down and are **** all over.
I agree with everything that solitaire has said,also we already pay enough in council tax,why is it we british never make a stand,we just lie down and are **** all over. dorset112
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6:05pm Tue 14 Jun 11

EGHH says...

Anyone else seen the irony of the Govt announcing their environment strategy today? Mr Pickles (and he sounds as if he is in one) said "Families pay £120 a month in council tax. Both Whitehall and the town hall need to raise their game to deliver more frequent and better rubbish and recycling collections in return." Tell Poole Council that.
~
Also if they are going to bring in fines for placing garden cuttings in the black bin, what happens if you live in a house with flats that use shared bins? Or what about a person who puts their garden cuttings in someone else's black bin. Its utterly unworkable. They need to drop this daft plan now before it becomes Poole's "surf reef".
Anyone else seen the irony of the Govt announcing their environment strategy today? Mr Pickles (and he sounds as if he is in one) said "Families pay £120 a month in council tax. Both Whitehall and the town hall need to raise their game to deliver more frequent and better rubbish and recycling collections in return." Tell Poole Council that. ~ Also if they are going to bring in fines for placing garden cuttings in the black bin, what happens if you live in a house with flats that use shared bins? Or what about a person who puts their garden cuttings in someone else's black bin. Its utterly unworkable. They need to drop this daft plan now before it becomes Poole's "surf reef". EGHH
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6:41pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Was Charlie says...

Think I might be sending the council a contract to sign, agreeing to pay me for collecting the leaves from their trees that end up on my property. Then they can charge me the same for coming to collect what Ilve gathered. That works out that they collect the green waste for free.
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Why should I pay for the council's rubbish?
Think I might be sending the council a contract to sign, agreeing to pay me for collecting the leaves from their trees that end up on my property. Then they can charge me the same for coming to collect what Ilve gathered. That works out that they collect the green waste for free. .... Why should I pay for the council's rubbish? Was Charlie
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6:47pm Tue 14 Jun 11

sictodeath says...

I have never come across such a GREEDY Council in my life.
If they bring in this charge, then they can collect my bin it stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I am against fly tipping, but you are asking for people to do just that. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop being so stupid.
You get money from us recycling our garden waste, after turning it into compost and selling it back to us! Not bad eh?
Some dope/s goes to bed at night, has a nightmare, wakes up, goes to work the next day and puts it into action.
This is nothing more than a dictatorship by Poole Council. I thought I lived in England, not Russia!
You waste money on things that are not necessary, then cane the rate payer with stupid and unfair, greedy ideas! What next are you going to dream up, you greedy lot of so-and-so's ?
I have never come across such a GREEDY Council in my life. If they bring in this charge, then they can collect my bin it stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I am against fly tipping, but you are asking for people to do just that. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop being so stupid. You get money from us recycling our garden waste, after turning it into compost and selling it back to us! Not bad eh? Some dope/s goes to bed at night, has a nightmare, wakes up, goes to work the next day and puts it into action. This is nothing more than a dictatorship by Poole Council. I thought I lived in England, not Russia! You waste money on things that are not necessary, then cane the rate payer with stupid and unfair, greedy ideas! What next are you going to dream up, you greedy lot of so-and-so's ? sictodeath
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7:04pm Tue 14 Jun 11

penhale says...

High Treason wrote:
Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.
On the other hand why should I pay council tax for those people to claim benefits to send their children to a playschool, My children are grown up so it doesn't benefit me in any way, why should I pay to keep libraries open when I dont use them and so on, there are lots of things we pay for through our council tax which some of us will never use.
Remember that people in flats pay a lot less tax than people with houses and gardens so in effect they get a discount already.
It,s about time the councils of this country draw up a contract stating exactly what we pay our council tax for otherwise the next thing will be a charge to take away our empty plastic milk bottles
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.[/p][/quote]On the other hand why should I pay council tax for those people to claim benefits to send their children to a playschool, My children are grown up so it doesn't benefit me in any way, why should I pay to keep libraries open when I dont use them and so on, there are lots of things we pay for through our council tax which some of us will never use. Remember that people in flats pay a lot less tax than people with houses and gardens so in effect they get a discount already. It,s about time the councils of this country draw up a contract stating exactly what we pay our council tax for otherwise the next thing will be a charge to take away our empty plastic milk bottles penhale
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7:27pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Perry_Winkle says...

I'll be handing back the neighbour's oak leaves then - impossible to compost!
I'll be handing back the neighbour's oak leaves then - impossible to compost! Perry_Winkle
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7:51pm Tue 14 Jun 11

darren_55 says...

As others have said, it's 36p a bag in Christchurch. Soon adds up as the bags are small, similar to carrier bag size rather than black bin bag.

Then again, I don't see why those without gardens, or small gardens, should subsidise those with big gardens who are too lazy to go to the tip.
As others have said, it's 36p a bag in Christchurch. Soon adds up as the bags are small, similar to carrier bag size rather than black bin bag. Then again, I don't see why those without gardens, or small gardens, should subsidise those with big gardens who are too lazy to go to the tip. darren_55
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7:53pm Tue 14 Jun 11

fossilmole says...

High Treason wrote:
Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.
Head of the 'I'm alright Jack School of Stupidity' speaks again!

We don't need more taxation ...not that 'leave me alone!' and shift what they want onto others thank you very much!
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Good news. Why should people who do not have a garden with their property pay for those that do. Most garden waste can be composted but many are to lazy to bother. This has nothing to do with household waste and gardening is often a hobby. So pay, its not a fourtune and don't expect others to subsidise you.[/p][/quote]Head of the 'I'm alright Jack School of Stupidity' speaks again! We don't need more taxation ...not that 'leave me alone!' and shift what they want onto others thank you very much! fossilmole
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8:03pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Edwinton says...

Can't we just fine the incompetent freeloaders for the cash they have wasted for their personal golden futures?
Can't we just fine the incompetent freeloaders for the cash they have wasted for their personal golden futures? Edwinton
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8:10pm Tue 14 Jun 11

John T says...

If Poole Council are going to charge me £31 for collecting my garden waste from April to October (which incidentally they make money on as compost), I shall charge them £31( plus an administration fee) for storing their green bin on my land from November to March.
If Poole Council are going to charge me £31 for collecting my garden waste from April to October (which incidentally they make money on as compost), I shall charge them £31( plus an administration fee) for storing their green bin on my land from November to March. John T
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8:54pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Baysider says...

Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't.

But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters!

An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.
Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't. But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters! An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers. Baysider
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9:04pm Tue 14 Jun 11

telbells says...

PBC - Political Bas#ards Corrupted
PBC - Political Bas#ards Corrupted telbells
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9:11pm Tue 14 Jun 11

Bohochic72 says...

Baysider wrote:
Is that the sound of arthritic knee joints jerking all over Poole? Grow up - you probably voted for the government that is rolling out a slash and burn policy through local authourities, now reap the benefits.
And the alternative was what, exactly? The ones who put us in this position? The coalition is making a right mess of making us feel better - see posts above- but would you really want the arithmatically challenged Brown, or, even worse, Millibland in charge? The fact is there's no-one prominent enough to lead us out of this predicament without kow-towing to Europe, the U.S. and the World
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Is that the sound of arthritic knee joints jerking all over Poole? Grow up - you probably voted for the government that is rolling out a slash and burn policy through local authourities, now reap the benefits.[/p][/quote]And the alternative was what, exactly? The ones who put us in this position? The coalition is making a right mess of making us feel better - see posts above- but would you really want the arithmatically challenged Brown, or, even worse, Millibland in charge? The fact is there's no-one prominent enough to lead us out of this predicament without kow-towing to Europe, the U.S. and the World Bohochic72
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9:12pm Tue 14 Jun 11

penhale says...

Baysider wrote:
Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't.

But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters!

An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.
I dont think it's because they are being asked to pay for something, it's more like everybody has had enough of paying through the nose for council services and these dickheads are coming up with more and more ploys to extract yet more money from and already skint population.
Petrol prices through the roof as are food prices energy prices but wages have not gone up in real terms, there's only so much a person can take.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't. But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters! An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.[/p][/quote]I dont think it's because they are being asked to pay for something, it's more like everybody has had enough of paying through the nose for council services and these dickheads are coming up with more and more ploys to extract yet more money from and already skint population. Petrol prices through the roof as are food prices energy prices but wages have not gone up in real terms, there's only so much a person can take. penhale
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12:03am Wed 15 Jun 11

s-pb2 says...

Baysider wrote:
Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't.

But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters!

An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.
Well said Baysider! Like you said, it amazes me on here that when cuts and job losses are announced in the council which affect areas such as elderly care, adult learning support, youth workers, schools and childrens social care. That this kind of news is often greeted with ridiculous witless comments such as 'its about time these public sector workers lived in the real world' and barely a comment of concern in these areas are ever passed. But when people are asked to pay for deposing of rubbish from their hobby of gardening they are practically calling for an all out revolution and screaming blue murder. It is absolutely pathetic and incredibly selfish
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't. But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters! An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.[/p][/quote]Well said Baysider! Like you said, it amazes me on here that when cuts and job losses are announced in the council which affect areas such as elderly care, adult learning support, youth workers, schools and childrens social care. That this kind of news is often greeted with ridiculous witless comments such as 'its about time these public sector workers lived in the real world' and barely a comment of concern in these areas are ever passed. But when people are asked to pay for deposing of rubbish from their hobby of gardening they are practically calling for an all out revolution and screaming blue murder. It is absolutely pathetic and incredibly selfish s-pb2
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6:10am Wed 15 Jun 11

EGHH says...

Its not being selfish at all. We already pay for the service through our council tax. If you follow this to its logical conclusion I do not have kids at school so why should I pay for schools. I do not use a library so why should I pay for libraries, I do not use day centres etc., so why should I pay for those.
Its not being selfish at all. We already pay for the service through our council tax. If you follow this to its logical conclusion I do not have kids at school so why should I pay for schools. I do not use a library so why should I pay for libraries, I do not use day centres etc., so why should I pay for those. EGHH
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6:30am Wed 15 Jun 11

MJD says...

s-pb2 wrote:
Baysider wrote: Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't. But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters! An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.
Well said Baysider! Like you said, it amazes me on here that when cuts and job losses are announced in the council which affect areas such as elderly care, adult learning support, youth workers, schools and childrens social care. That this kind of news is often greeted with ridiculous witless comments such as 'its about time these public sector workers lived in the real world' and barely a comment of concern in these areas are ever passed. But when people are asked to pay for deposing of rubbish from their hobby of gardening they are practically calling for an all out revolution and screaming blue murder. It is absolutely pathetic and incredibly selfish
I take offence here. I grow food in my garden and that is no hobby, its to eat. Its fresh and not imported c**p from the EU and most of what is left over gos to the compost heap. The only rubbish that gos in my green bin is from my lazy next door neighbours hedge. It seems funny to me that other councils are making money out of recycling garden waste.
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Well this thread has been an education hasn't it? There are people in local authourities all over the UK (including Poole) losing their jobs due to the cuts being pushed through. Yet, could the average Daily Echo reader give a monkeys about that? No they couldn't. But ask them whether they'd be prepared to pay for something which is both OPTIONAL, wasn't provided in the past and still isn't elsewhere and you'd think that they were being asked to hand over their first born child. Gawd know what the reaction is going to be when the cuts start impacting on something that actually matters! An absolutely pathetic, all too predictable, over reaction from the usual bunch of hateful, perspectiveless whingers.[/p][/quote]Well said Baysider! Like you said, it amazes me on here that when cuts and job losses are announced in the council which affect areas such as elderly care, adult learning support, youth workers, schools and childrens social care. That this kind of news is often greeted with ridiculous witless comments such as 'its about time these public sector workers lived in the real world' and barely a comment of concern in these areas are ever passed. But when people are asked to pay for deposing of rubbish from their hobby of gardening they are practically calling for an all out revolution and screaming blue murder. It is absolutely pathetic and incredibly selfish[/p][/quote]I take offence here. I grow food in my garden and that is no hobby, its to eat. Its fresh and not imported c**p from the EU and most of what is left over gos to the compost heap. The only rubbish that gos in my green bin is from my lazy next door neighbours hedge. It seems funny to me that other councils are making money out of recycling garden waste. MJD
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7:46am Wed 15 Jun 11

Edwinton says...

It is sickening all these developers and freeloaders making decisions to keep their fat greedy council on the gravy train. Why do we need so many councilors/freeloade
rs? Same as Government, more MP's than any other country despite GB being smaller than most. A Governance of greed.
It is sickening all these developers and freeloaders making decisions to keep their fat greedy council on the gravy train. Why do we need so many councilors/freeloade rs? Same as Government, more MP's than any other country despite GB being smaller than most. A Governance of greed. Edwinton
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8:16am Wed 15 Jun 11

davecook says...

The core issue is that these garden refuse bins were put in place to help the council meet recycling targets, instead of composting my garden waste, I put it into a green bin, the result of which was the percentage of recycled matter instantly improved.

I actually like the idea of paying for what you use, perhaps that system can be applied to every area of my council tax bill like social housing. Actually, I may as well go the whole hog and pop into the council offices and sack all the management wasters on gold plated pensions for a start.
The core issue is that these garden refuse bins were put in place to help the council meet recycling targets, instead of composting my garden waste, I put it into a green bin, the result of which was the percentage of recycled matter instantly improved. I actually like the idea of paying for what you use, perhaps that system can be applied to every area of my council tax bill like social housing. Actually, I may as well go the whole hog and pop into the council offices and sack all the management wasters on gold plated pensions for a start. davecook
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8:45am Wed 15 Jun 11

Was Charlie says...

How would the council force people not to put garden waste in the black bin? The government have scrapped allowing them to fine for "incorrect recycling" or putting bins out on the wrong day. The only way they could "educate and persuade" residents not to put green waste in black bins would be not to collect the black bins if they had green waste in them. I can just see the bin men sorting through the contents. Besides that, it would encourage the not-so-honest to put green waste in their neighbours' black bins.
......
Completely bonkers.
How would the council force people not to put garden waste in the black bin? The government have scrapped allowing them to fine for "incorrect recycling" or putting bins out on the wrong day. The only way they could "educate and persuade" residents not to put green waste in black bins would be not to collect the black bins if they had green waste in them. I can just see the bin men sorting through the contents. Besides that, it would encourage the not-so-honest to put green waste in their neighbours' black bins. ...... Completely bonkers. Was Charlie
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10:31am Wed 15 Jun 11

The Liberal says...

Was Charlie wrote:
How would the council force people not to put garden waste in the black bin? The government have scrapped allowing them to fine for "incorrect recycling" or putting bins out on the wrong day. The only way they could "educate and persuade" residents not to put green waste in black bins would be not to collect the black bins if they had green waste in them. I can just see the bin men sorting through the contents. Besides that, it would encourage the not-so-honest to put green waste in their neighbours' black bins.
......
Completely bonkers.
True. However, with Poole Council likely to get rid of weekly black bin collections in the near future, we'll have no space left in the bin if we use it for garden waste.
[quote][p][bold]Was Charlie[/bold] wrote: How would the council force people not to put garden waste in the black bin? The government have scrapped allowing them to fine for "incorrect recycling" or putting bins out on the wrong day. The only way they could "educate and persuade" residents not to put green waste in black bins would be not to collect the black bins if they had green waste in them. I can just see the bin men sorting through the contents. Besides that, it would encourage the not-so-honest to put green waste in their neighbours' black bins. ...... Completely bonkers.[/p][/quote]True. However, with Poole Council likely to get rid of weekly black bin collections in the near future, we'll have no space left in the bin if we use it for garden waste. The Liberal
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11:43am Wed 15 Jun 11

dorset_bloke says...

So fly-tipping, burn it or hide the waste in the bottom of the black bin.. great - that's going to help the environment a lot.. Why do people say about composting - great I could compost it and then what? Chuck it in the bin I guess as I don't need to increase the height of my flower beds (if I had any). Again - maybe cut people's council tax that don't have green bins then; we've not all got bottomless pits of money (if I did I'd be expected to fill it with compost I guess?).
So fly-tipping, burn it or hide the waste in the bottom of the black bin.. great - that's going to help the environment a lot.. Why do people say about composting - great I could compost it and then what? Chuck it in the bin I guess as I don't need to increase the height of my flower beds (if I had any). Again - maybe cut people's council tax that don't have green bins then; we've not all got bottomless pits of money (if I did I'd be expected to fill it with compost I guess?). dorset_bloke
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12:14pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Chris, Poole says...

Worth clarifying a few facts in this debate, all of which can be seen on the Poole Council website.

First, the current green waste scheme is NOT funded out of Council Tax - it was enabled by a government grant that didn't stretch to all properties.

Second, green waste in refuse bins ends up in landfill - and government tax on that is increasing every year. That tax ends up being paid by us all through our Council Tax, meaning less for other services or higher charges just to stand still.

Third, green waste disposal is not a service a Council has to provide and isn't wanted or needed by all residents.

So what in concept is wrong with those who generate extra cost for the community paying a tiny bit more for it if they actually want the service? I woud happily do so if I needed it, as I did in Bristol some years ago, but I now use a mulching mower on the lawn and compost the rest, so don't anymore.
Worth clarifying a few facts in this debate, all of which can be seen on the Poole Council website. First, the current green waste scheme is NOT funded out of Council Tax - it was enabled by a government grant that didn't stretch to all properties. Second, green waste in refuse bins ends up in landfill - and government tax on that is increasing every year. That tax ends up being paid by us all through our Council Tax, meaning less for other services or higher charges just to stand still. Third, green waste disposal is not a service a Council has to provide and isn't wanted or needed by all residents. So what in concept is wrong with those who generate extra cost for the community paying a tiny bit more for it if they actually want the service? I woud happily do so if I needed it, as I did in Bristol some years ago, but I now use a mulching mower on the lawn and compost the rest, so don't anymore. Chris, Poole
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12:57pm Wed 15 Jun 11

0racle says...

Chris, Poole wrote:
Worth clarifying a few facts in this debate, all of which can be seen on the Poole Council website. First, the current green waste scheme is NOT funded out of Council Tax - it was enabled by a government grant that didn't stretch to all properties. Second, green waste in refuse bins ends up in landfill - and government tax on that is increasing every year. That tax ends up being paid by us all through our Council Tax, meaning less for other services or higher charges just to stand still. Third, green waste disposal is not a service a Council has to provide and isn't wanted or needed by all residents. So what in concept is wrong with those who generate extra cost for the community paying a tiny bit more for it if they actually want the service? I woud happily do so if I needed it, as I did in Bristol some years ago, but I now use a mulching mower on the lawn and compost the rest, so don't anymore.
If people are doing all their recycling and earning the council money by selling it whats is technically left for landfill?
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Food waste and garden waste. Wouldn't that be a big compost heap?
[quote][p][bold]Chris, Poole[/bold] wrote: Worth clarifying a few facts in this debate, all of which can be seen on the Poole Council website. First, the current green waste scheme is NOT funded out of Council Tax - it was enabled by a government grant that didn't stretch to all properties. Second, green waste in refuse bins ends up in landfill - and government tax on that is increasing every year. That tax ends up being paid by us all through our Council Tax, meaning less for other services or higher charges just to stand still. Third, green waste disposal is not a service a Council has to provide and isn't wanted or needed by all residents. So what in concept is wrong with those who generate extra cost for the community paying a tiny bit more for it if they actually want the service? I woud happily do so if I needed it, as I did in Bristol some years ago, but I now use a mulching mower on the lawn and compost the rest, so don't anymore.[/p][/quote]If people are doing all their recycling and earning the council money by selling it whats is technically left for landfill? . Food waste and garden waste. Wouldn't that be a big compost heap? 0racle
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1:14pm Wed 15 Jun 11

Baysider says...

Why do the majority of posters on here assume 1. the council is somehow making money out the the green waste collection (at best any sales are used to contribute towards running it I suspect) and 2. that the alternative is that everyone should immediately start burning their waste or fly tipping it?

What's wrong with just getting rid of the waste you create by taking it to the tip yourselves like we always used to before the council came up with this FREE service for (some) residents?

As I said before if you expect to received the same levels of service from any part of the public sector as you did before the spending review you are going to be very, very dissapointed. Start getting used to it!
Why do the majority of posters on here assume 1. the council is somehow making money out the the green waste collection (at best any sales are used to contribute towards running it I suspect) and 2. that the alternative is that everyone should immediately start burning their waste or fly tipping it? What's wrong with just getting rid of the waste you create by taking it to the tip yourselves like we always used to before the council came up with this FREE service for (some) residents? As I said before if you expect to received the same levels of service from any part of the public sector as you did before the spending review you are going to be very, very dissapointed. Start getting used to it! Baysider
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1:33pm Wed 15 Jun 11

fairandsquared says...

how refreshing to see some more informed and thought out comments. No wonder the Council balk at public consultation when they get just emotionally driven attacks in response. Most people, like me, have a bit of a conscience about trying to do the best for the environment. paying for a service that i don't have at the moment (and we can't continue to have some people with the service and some without - it is very unfair) would be a small price to pay instead of dragging everything in to my car and hauling it off to the tip then cleaning my car again. We'd all like the benefits from the money that the previous gov. kept throwing at us but now we are all paying the price of those ill-considered decisions which were just designed to get votes.
how refreshing to see some more informed and thought out comments. No wonder the Council balk at public consultation when they get just emotionally driven attacks in response. Most people, like me, have a bit of a conscience about trying to do the best for the environment. paying for a service that i don't have at the moment (and we can't continue to have some people with the service and some without - it is very unfair) would be a small price to pay instead of dragging everything in to my car and hauling it off to the tip then cleaning my car again. We'd all like the benefits from the money that the previous gov. kept throwing at us but now we are all paying the price of those ill-considered decisions which were just designed to get votes. fairandsquared
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4:14pm Wed 15 Jun 11

penhale says...

Baysider wrote:
Why do the majority of posters on here assume 1. the council is somehow making money out the the green waste collection (at best any sales are used to contribute towards running it I suspect) and 2. that the alternative is that everyone should immediately start burning their waste or fly tipping it?

What's wrong with just getting rid of the waste you create by taking it to the tip yourselves like we always used to before the council came up with this FREE service for (some) residents?

As I said before if you expect to received the same levels of service from any part of the public sector as you did before the spending review you are going to be very, very dissapointed. Start getting used to it!
I have no problem taking my garden waste to the local tip but there are those that dont have this option and they will be the only one's paying, that is of course untill councils start to charge admission fees to enter the local waste centre.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Why do the majority of posters on here assume 1. the council is somehow making money out the the green waste collection (at best any sales are used to contribute towards running it I suspect) and 2. that the alternative is that everyone should immediately start burning their waste or fly tipping it? What's wrong with just getting rid of the waste you create by taking it to the tip yourselves like we always used to before the council came up with this FREE service for (some) residents? As I said before if you expect to received the same levels of service from any part of the public sector as you did before the spending review you are going to be very, very dissapointed. Start getting used to it![/p][/quote]I have no problem taking my garden waste to the local tip but there are those that dont have this option and they will be the only one's paying, that is of course untill councils start to charge admission fees to enter the local waste centre. penhale
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5:16pm Wed 15 Jun 11

EGHH says...

OK so can someone tell me where am I going to put my garden "waste" as we don't have the green bin scheme where I live only the black and blue bins. And what stops from putting it in my neighbours bins after the bins have been put out for collection. Not that I would of course.
OK so can someone tell me where am I going to put my garden "waste" as we don't have the green bin scheme where I live only the black and blue bins. And what stops from putting it in my neighbours bins after the bins have been put out for collection. Not that I would of course. EGHH
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7:33pm Wed 15 Jun 11

m1ketheplumb says...

Did our "smart" boys down the council consider alternatives on PnL activities?
RUBBISH disposal COSTS MONEY, so if you reduce that to an every two weeks service as many councils have already (oh and by the our Conservative government realised they cant afford to change now).
GARDEN green disposal can make money.
SO council boys think PnL, you reduce a cost generator, and include within your service you INCLUDE Green waste disposal, with no increase in charges.
Doh come on I thought you guys were supposed to be bright boys
Did our "smart" boys down the council consider alternatives on PnL activities? RUBBISH disposal COSTS MONEY, so if you reduce that to an every two weeks service as many councils have already (oh and by the our Conservative government realised they cant afford to change now). GARDEN green disposal can make money. SO council boys think PnL, you reduce a cost generator, and include within your service you INCLUDE Green waste disposal, with no increase in charges. Doh come on I thought you guys were supposed to be bright boys m1ketheplumb
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1:05pm Thu 16 Jun 11

colthekid says...

You do what everyone did before the garden waste scheme started...

Take it down the tip!

Simples!

People seem not to realise the garden waste scheme is NOT part of your council tax bill. Try living in The New Forest District Council area....they've always charged for garden waste (currently £29/year)
You do what everyone did before the garden waste scheme started... Take it down the tip! Simples! People seem not to realise the garden waste scheme is NOT part of your council tax bill. Try living in The New Forest District Council area....they've always charged for garden waste (currently £29/year) colthekid
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1:28pm Thu 16 Jun 11

Baysider says...

m1ketheplumb wrote:
Did our "smart" boys down the council consider alternatives on PnL activities? RUBBISH disposal COSTS MONEY, so if you reduce that to an every two weeks service as many councils have already (oh and by the our Conservative government realised they cant afford to change now). GARDEN green disposal can make money. SO council boys think PnL, you reduce a cost generator, and include within your service you INCLUDE Green waste disposal, with no increase in charges. Doh come on I thought you guys were supposed to be bright boys
This post is so unclear in what's it's trying to say I'm going to ignore it except that it does raise the issue fo the equation at work here. It's all very simple but I'll exaplin it again for the hard of understanding.

The green waste scheme costs £x + £540K per annum. I don't know if £x is £1 or £1milion and it doesn't really matter anyway.

Now, due to the cuts in budgets across the public sector, the total amount avaiable to run the scheme = £x only, meaning it's undeliverable unless 1. the remaining £540K is raised from the people who actually use the service or 2. it's found from somewhere else, perhaps by closing a library, day care ctr or making dozens of people redundent. You decide.

It's not really too difficult a problem to understand is it?
[quote][p][bold]m1ketheplumb[/bold] wrote: Did our "smart" boys down the council consider alternatives on PnL activities? RUBBISH disposal COSTS MONEY, so if you reduce that to an every two weeks service as many councils have already (oh and by the our Conservative government realised they cant afford to change now). GARDEN green disposal can make money. SO council boys think PnL, you reduce a cost generator, and include within your service you INCLUDE Green waste disposal, with no increase in charges. Doh come on I thought you guys were supposed to be bright boys[/p][/quote]This post is so unclear in what's it's trying to say I'm going to ignore it except that it does raise the issue fo the equation at work here. It's all very simple but I'll exaplin it again for the hard of understanding. The green waste scheme costs £x + £540K per annum. I don't know if £x is £1 or £1milion and it doesn't really matter anyway. Now, due to the cuts in budgets across the public sector, the total amount avaiable to run the scheme = £x only, meaning it's undeliverable unless 1. the remaining £540K is raised from the people who actually use the service or 2. it's found from somewhere else, perhaps by closing a library, day care ctr or making dozens of people redundent. You decide. It's not really too difficult a problem to understand is it? Baysider
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9:56am Fri 17 Jun 11

The Liberal says...

colthekid wrote:
You do what everyone did before the garden waste scheme started...

Take it down the tip!

Simples!

People seem not to realise the garden waste scheme is NOT part of your council tax bill. Try living in The New Forest District Council area....they've always charged for garden waste (currently £29/year)
Well, that's not exactly very green, is it?: everyone driving down to the tip all the time, rather than one vehicle coming to empty the bins in an efficient manner.
[quote][p][bold]colthekid[/bold] wrote: You do what everyone did before the garden waste scheme started... Take it down the tip! Simples! People seem not to realise the garden waste scheme is NOT part of your council tax bill. Try living in The New Forest District Council area....they've always charged for garden waste (currently £29/year)[/p][/quote]Well, that's not exactly very green, is it?: everyone driving down to the tip all the time, rather than one vehicle coming to empty the bins in an efficient manner. The Liberal
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