Calls for Bournemouth to cut Israel twinning links (From Bournemouth Echo)

If you were to suggest to the civic leaders that we twin the town with somewhere in the Carribean instead if Israel, I suspect they would be keen to go on a "fact finding trip" at least

What an utterly bizarre comment!
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The difference Cllr Barry Goldbart is that Switzerland does not go round murdering people. And unless they've changed their foreign policy since I last looked, the Swiss do not blockade a region causing the economy to collapse. The Swiss are not described by the UN as causing a severe humanitarian crisis.
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This has got nothing to do with jollies for councillors and everything to do with not associating out town with a state that routinely murders people.
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Personally I'm now boycotting Israeli goods in shops. It's easy enough to do and I'd urge anyone who feels strongly about this to do likewise.

Sorry that should have read:
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"This has got nothing to do with jollies for councillors and everything to do with not associating our town with a state that routinely murders people."
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Cllr Anne Filer, murdering nine people can not be described as a 'temporary blip'! Have our councillors just been on a training course to provide the most inappropriate responses to an international news event? If so can I suggest that the training is working.

Do the opinions of 2 Jewish councillors truly represent the Councils official position on this matter ? I sincerely hope not. Town twinning should be for the benefit of the whole Borough not just for the benefit of a small religious minority.
The comment by Cllr Filer that the Israeli attack on these ships carrying humanitarian aid should strengthen our links with Netanya is completely inappropriate. What Israel did was nothing less than state sponsored piracy, its blockade of Gaza a humanitarian crime. Its actions have been condemned by the UN and the British government.

"The twinning link is not financially supported by Bournemouth council; it is completely independent."

No it's not - the link is through the town council, and in that respect Bournemouth is offering tacit approval of state-sponsored murder and terrorism. Every instance of twinning with an Israeli town offers additional legitimacy and a veneer of respectability to a state that routinely kills civilians - sometimes in their hundreds - in completely disproportionate action.

Against a backdrop of the leaders of many states and nations sending a message of concern and disapproval, the Bournemouth coucillors should think long and hard about the message they are sending in the name of the town.

Well I, for one, support Israel.

jonkers i am with you

If the Isle of Wight were raining 1000 missiles a year on Bournemouth, Lymington, Southampton and Portsmouth, I think that our government would have a pretty robust response and we would be grateful for it. If, under the above situation, France began sending flotillas of goods to prop up the terrorists running the place, we would also demand that the Royal Navy intercept and stop them.

I don't think that there would be many bleed-heart apologists condemning our forces for doing what they had to do if attacked either.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation that believes that every Jew world-wide should be killed so stop kidding yourselves.

There is only one democracy in the Middle East and it's worth defending.

I'm not defending nor condoning what Hamas does CharminChap.
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The fact is that Bournemouth isn't twinned with any Palestinian town.
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Bournemouth is twinned with an Israeli town. We are debating whether that should exist given the disproportionate use of violence the state of Israel dishes out.
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By the way, your propaganda doesn't stack up. Was not Hamas actually elected in 2006? Strange that because I thought they won 74 seats (and therefore a majority) in the Palestinian Parliament? And at the time, didn't the EU actually congratulate on the way the poll was run? I could have sworn they did.

Fartycat - Yup. Hamas were elected in and then immediately murdered or drove out every dissenting voice. Fact.

Is that your definition of a democracy?

CharminChap you do have a point with your isle of white idea but here is a different version. If France took over the channel isles,isle of white and the south coast saying they wanted a 'buffer zone' WE would be bombing the hell out of them! Two sides to every story!

So, it's a 'blip' that ten people were killed in International Waters was it, Cllr Filer? Not far removed from the antics of Somali pirates, insofar as boarding ships outside of territorial waters.

And by the way, fartycat, Netanya is a lovely seaside resort that depends on the tourist trade - just like Bournemouth. I'm sure that if Bournemouth wanted to twin with Sharm-el-Sheikh on the Red Sea in Egypt there would be no problems. However, that's not your agenda is it?

Yeah the Isle of Wight analogy is not at all useful. There have been many appalling acts on both sides. Like when Israeli forces cut water supplies off to Palestinian villages. Or use white phosphorous munitions on populated area. Or bomb United Nations aid warehouses.

This is just my view, but the very sad thing about the Israeli responses is that they are exactly what the minorities in Palestine wanted. There was a small number of extremists firing unguided and very ineffective rockets over the border. Most would fall into fields. But every time Israel responded by bulldozing another dozen houses they created another set of radicalised recruits. Until there were enough radicalised recruits that they were able to vote Hamas in. Israel has been played like a fiddle and their disproportional responses have been used against them.

Azphreal, every neighbouring Arab state attacked Israel at the same time to totally eradicate the Jewish State. They did this three times.

Turkey has recently elected an extremist Prime Minister (he went to prison for it in the '90s) who is keen to turn the moderate and comparitively secular Turkish population against Israel, a long time friend. In encouraging the flotilla to organise in Turkey and allow one of the ships to be commanded by Hamas - the only ship to refuse to be searched - he knew that it was likely that Turkish civilians would be manoeuvred into confronting the Israeli Forces injuries were more than likely given the Hamas involvement , resulting in a backlash.

Fact is Charmin, I can see both sides of the dispute. Can you?
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The very sad fact is as long as people like you continually post blinkered one-sided views of this conflict, then it will never end.
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Hamas is a terrible organisation that engages in terrorism. But so does the Israeli government. Both sides are in the wrong. Both sides commit awful acts.
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However look at Northern Ireland. If we had carried on with the old Thatcher (and before) policy of media bans, detention without trial, harassment and the odd massacre thrown in we wouldn't be where we are now. Instead the UK government had to swallow its pride, talk to both sides, turn the other cheek and it kept on having to do it despite many many setbacks. Thatcher's way just recruited more people as terrorists. Major and Blair's policy recruited them as politicians no matter how distasteful it was to see former terrorists wielding power.
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Lessons can also be learned from South Africa and how the country has healed age-old wounds caused by apartheid.
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Now go back and look at Israel/Palestine. If Israel is going to see any peace it has to moderate its actions and allow proper aid delivered by the UN into Gaza. They need to be seen to be reasonable and keep being reasonable even when they face extreme provocation. Only then will the moderates in Palestine be given a voice again.
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Instead we see Israel taking an increasingly hard-line stance. All it has done is act as a massive Hamas and al-Qaeda recruiting advert destabilising the Middle East even further and affecting us all thanks to terrorist threats.
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But well done you. You keep up your blinkered defence of one side of this.

Charmin, my agenda is;
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a) Both sides need to moderate their actions, sit down and negotiate. Both nations have a right to exist and a right to self-determination.
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b) Bournemouth should not be associating itself with any country that carries out atrocities.
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Your agenda seems to be to defend the indefensible and pump out Israeli propaganda that I've read almost word for word on countless other message boards and forums.

I am glad you brought up South Africa.
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It's interesting that as soon as Nelson Mandela walked out of prison and Apartheid crumbled, suddenly a vast multitude of full time activists found themselves with nothing to do. After a brief period of locking horns with totalitarian states that didn't give a **** about international protests and just laughed at them, the rent-a-mob found a situation that had wealthy backers (oil states), a notionally left of centre history (Egypt and Syria were Soviet proxies to America's backing of Israel during the Cold War) and a tiny country to hate surrounded by a vast population historically hard-wired (Google 'Dhimmi') to mistrust Jews.
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The Palestinians are not popular locally (check out 'the Black September') but make a useful rod to beat the Jewish State with.
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You are being manipulated.

Charmin, more paranoid propoganda? Yawn.

The writer of the original letter requesting the removal of twinning is deluded if he thinks that will ever happen in Bournemouth.

With half the councillors being of the Jewish faith, that is the reason Israel was twinned with Bournemouth in the first place!!

Councillors once elected will do what the heck they want to do anyway, and since they also get "jollies" out of the twinning partnership, why would they want to jeopardise that on the opinions of the electorate who put them in the job in the first place?!!

I just hope everyone in Bournemouth will remember this when it comes to election time next year.

CharminChap,
Your Isle of Wight analogy is clearly inaccurate when you understand the history (sadly, so often absent from the debate).
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The Israelis have invaded Palestine, and continue to expand into historical Palestine.
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The murder of the peace activists is appalling, if not surprising considering their track-record.
Adding to the thousands killed so far by the Israeli illegal occupation of Palestine which has frequently been condemned by the UN and many other countries including Britain.
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Nelson Mandela has called justice for the Palestinians "the greatest moral issue of our age".
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Gaza has become a concentration camp, the current blockade (and the recent military assault on the population resulting in some 1400 civilian deaths) also condemned by the UN and many countries.
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Israel's response to those that fight back (peacefully or not) is, as it has been for decades, massively disproportionate.
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Mayor Goldbart evades the point.
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Cllr Filer - "a temporary blip" - Good God, if only that were true.

Perhaps we should keep the twinning with Netayana as it is better to not burn bridges.
But we should twin with a Palestinian town too.
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If as some have said, Israel is democratic country, then why did they not use this democracy last Monday. Why was there the need to kill people who felt it was a democratic decision to provide aid to a country that the democratic Israel will not accept belongs to both. If they have a grip against the Hammas then so be it, there is no need to involve innocent people. Lets be honest, even some 70 years later they continue to vent their anger of not being allowed the same democratic issues that everyone else was afforded in the 1940s. As for the Cllrs, surely belonging to a democratic institute, they should be getting their heads together with other democratic councils and national governments, and remind the Israeli government of what is at stake. Israeli forces do have a habit of gun hoe tactics, then ask questions.

The people who dies were martyrs - they knew exactly what they were doing.

*died

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Israel warmongers

"Youtube No war for Israel in Iran, Keep America Safe"

well worth a veiw.

Jonkers wrote:
The people who dies were martyrs - they knew exactly what they were doing.

These people went deliberately to confront the Israelis. They knew what the reaction would be and they were not dissappointed.

Israel is no friend of ours and shows us no repect.I dont want to be twinned with them.

O'really- It is ironic that the British condemn Isreal's invasion of Palestine when you consider that it was the British Government that set up the State of Isreal after WW2. It could be claimed that the British involvement actually started this conflict.
Isreal/Palestine is an area of extreme spiritual significance for the three big religions and as such we are unlikely to see any mediation whilst there are theocracies such as the Arab states.
As Jonathon Swift said "There is enough religion for man to hate each other but not enough to make them love each other."

A lot (paid for) shills on here today supporting piracy and state sponsored murder.........

Over the years all sides have committed atrocities, and they all use these past events to justify further outrages against humanity. Adding to the problem are the religious nutters (many in political office) who twist the words of their holy books to justify and incite further hatred. Nothing will change until the people of the region turn their backs on these religious bigots.

glennzilla,
You are certainly correct that the British government was supportive of the invasion. This was, however, demonstrated with the Balfour Declaration, well before WW11.
Jewish settlers started moving in around 1870-80.
By 1922, Jews made up 10% of the population of historical Palestine.
The horrors of WW11 (understandably) led to a huge increase is Jewish immigrants.
By 1948, Jews made up 33%.
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In 1948, the British gov. gave over the problem to the UN, who established the Partition, giving Jews 56% of the land (also the most fertile land), though they actually owned only 8% of it.
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The Palestinian people did not cause the holocaust - but they paid, and continue to pay, for it.
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The Israelis since then have been expanding this land grab very aggressively, and continue to do so.
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I think you're right also - blind belief in religion and particular interpretation of scripture causes terrible delusions which can lead otherwise sane people to do insane things.
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"God told me to do it... see it says so here in this sacred book."

I think I'll send an aid convoy to the Taleban. If stopped by the British or American forces and asked to allow them to inspect the cargo I will refuse. They will let me pass and send me on my way with their good wishes for Osama.
I feel sad that British citizens are collaborating with the Hamas supporters trying to bust the Gaza blockade.
Israel provided training and assistance to British forces fighting in Iraq. Will should stand firm with our ally fighting terror. Instead we have a foreign secretary who seeks to appease Hamas and the increasingly extreme Turks. Sickening.
Bournemouth, one hopes, will stand firm even if the new Government lacks the courage to do so.

geoffrey,
You have absolutely no understanding of the situations to which you so stridently refer.

I think twinning is all about the local population in the town that you are twinned with and not the politcs of the country. As such I would oppose breaking Bournemouth's link with Netanya.
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That said, if there was demand for it, I would support Bournemouth setting up a link with a town in Palestine.

It really is disgusting that Bournemouth is twinned with an Israeli town. The country of Israel was stolen from the Arabs and was supported by this country. It would be nice if Goldfart & the Filers moved to Israel and didn't push their religion down the throats of the people of Bournemouth. Unfortunately Israel is supported by the American Jews and therefore the Two state solution that most people support in this country is unlikely to happen!!!!!!!

More to the point is it not about time this whole stupid and ointless twinning nonsense was stopped all together.

Come on somebody explain to me exactly what any of the 99.999999% of people in this country get out of any of these twinning capers.

They are all about giving a few officials a free jolly abroad and serve no purpose whatsoever. Look at Christchurch, for god's sake is there anywhere it ain't twinned with.

Le's put an end to this nonsense once and for all.

Wouldn't you fight if you were denied to belong to a country as the people of Gaza have found themselves?

I completely agree with the call for our twinning to be ended in light of this appalling attack. And it seems to me that Councillor Goldbart has missed the point here: Switzerland have not been involved in egregious violations of international law. Israel have. Its also not about religion. Its about countries behaving reasonably and other countries showing their feelings when they don't. I think we should make our feelings clear.

Sad to say, that Bournemouth has gone so far downhill in recent years that I don't think we are worthy to be twinned with such a beautiful place in Israel as Netaya!!

Netanya!!

CharminChap i am glad that YOU TOO brought up south Africa, During aparthied Israel were happy to sell them nukes (thankfully the sale never went through),you remember them? The ones where the police would make you 'dissapear' blacks were treated like scum! Why have you not mentioned the fact they used cloned British passports for their murder squad? I find it ironic that Israel is acting the same way that the Nazi's did to jews,blacks,gays,dis
abled and gypsies! Seperate and deprive!

Unless you were on that ship, how do you know these people were murdered? Killed yes, murdered? We saw a few clips from a very bias BBC, (who is well know for being anti jewish) How was it that 5 out of the 6 boats were boardered peacefully, yet the 6th one looked like it was geared up for a fight? The truth is, Isreal is at WAR with Hamas. Plain and simple. All you bleeding heart liberals who have answers to all the worlds problems, from the comfort of you armchair, make me laugh. I bet you were the same people who were supporting the IRA when it was killing soldiers and civilians alike. It's not as if Isreal has said they cant have aid, just not the stuff that can be used to make or fire rockets into Isreal. Totally agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if this weak wristed Council did cut links though, it's the sort of spineless action they would do. Hilter would be proud of some of the comments in here. You can see that anti-Semitism is alive and well. I can just picture some of these commentors in their shiny black uniforms. I say more power to Isreal. For a country that has been at war for everyday of the last 60 odd years, I think they are quite restrained. If idiots want to try and push their way through a known blockade, then don't moan if you get hurt. If Hamas wants the blockade to stop, then stand up and say "we will not fire missles into Isreal anymore, and Isreal has the right to exsist too" Palistine makes a big song and dance about how what Isreal is doing is wrong, but I don't see them doing anything about the firing of missles. If the leaders of Palistine really cared about their people, they would condemn the attacks from BOTH sides, but as usual with people like that, they are selective who they want to blame.

Oh , and as for that person who said we should all boycott Israel's goods, and how easy it would be to do that, it also works the other way round. I will buy Israeli goods to show my support for them.

You would have thought after the horrors the Jews had in the 2nd world war they would have learned something. The way they treat the Lebanese and Palistine is appalling. They are the lowest of the low but our filthy council would never do anything to upset their freebie holidays in the evil isle of Israel.

“Someone sent me an email saying we should rip down the Israeli flag.

“We are also twinned with Switzerland; are we going to rip down the Swiss flag as well? says the councillor!!! No we don't need to rip down the swiss flag because Switzerland is not a terrorist state Boarded international ships in international waters and Killing aid workers. Nor to my knowledge did it send out death squads to foreign nations to Murder people it didn't like!

For far too long this country has got away with far too much because of the sympathy we all feel for the Jewish people because of the atrocities committed against it by the Nazi's. Sadly this nation is proving to be little better!!!! Appears the Zionist Cause is alive and well in Bournemouth as it is in Westminster!!!!!!!!!

traindriver3ss wrote:
“Someone sent me an email saying we should rip down the Israeli flag.

“We are also twinned with Switzerland; are we going to rip down the Swiss flag as well? says the councillor!!! No we don't need to rip down the swiss flag because Switzerland is not a terrorist state Boarded international ships in international waters and Killing aid workers. Nor to my knowledge did it send out death squads to foreign nations to Murder people it didn't like!

For far too long this country has got away with far too much because of the sympathy we all feel for the Jewish people because of the atrocities committed against it by the Nazi's. Sadly this nation is proving to be little better!!!! Appears the Zionist Cause is alive and well in Bournemouth as it is in Westminster!!!!!!!!!

Israel is a terrorist state, but because it's awash with money nobody will stand against its murder and torture. People are terrified of bad mouthing the Jews because of the holocaust. But Israel is busy creating its own one.

caracus wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:
“Someone sent me an email saying we should rip down the Israeli flag.

“We are also twinned with Switzerland; are we going to rip down the Swiss flag as well? says the councillor!!! No we don't need to rip down the swiss flag because Switzerland is not a terrorist state Boarded international ships in international waters and Killing aid workers. Nor to my knowledge did it send out death squads to foreign nations to Murder people it didn't like!

For far too long this country has got away with far too much because of the sympathy we all feel for the Jewish people because of the atrocities committed against it by the Nazi's. Sadly this nation is proving to be little better!!!! Appears the Zionist Cause is alive and well in Bournemouth as it is in Westminster!!!!!!!!!

Israel is a terrorist state, but because it's awash with money nobody will stand against its murder and torture. People are terrified of bad mouthing the Jews because of the holocaust. But Israel is busy creating its own one.

couldn't agree more!!!!

sadly we ( the british) and the germans have a lot to answer for on this one! We should never have allowed the state of Israel to be born when we had control of Palestine! and probably wouldn't have allowed it had it not been for the nutcase Hitler !!!!

If you're worried about Bournemouth appearing biased regarding this conflict, why not also twin with a Palestinian town?!

O'Really wrote:
geoffrey, You have absolutely no understanding of the situations to which you so stridently refer.

The opinion of the level of my understanding from one writes with little knowledge of the basic facts, is not a matter of great concern. I suggest you spend a little more time watching film of Hamas murder squads in action and less reading their primary school "history" books , if you want to know something of the reality of the "situations" as you so quaintly put it.

I would like to point out that for many years the UK suffered at the hands of the IRA, Bombings, asasinations and murder but at no time did the UK government attempt to starve the irish people, deprive them of water, food and basic needs, deny them medical treatement or indescriminately murder individuals. why because as a responsible nation we understand measured responce that only targets the guilty and does not bring suffering to thousands of inocent men, women and children.
I say cut ties now until they can learn to act like a responsible nation I for one do not want to be twinned with them

I would also like to point out that if you want an unbiased opinion on Israels behaviour that you should read the various UN reports on the subject. There are curently over 30 UN resolutions against them including for the possestion of iligal nuclear weapons, human rights violations and torture. All I ask is you take the time to look into it and form an opinion based on the facts rahter than either sides Zealots, biggots and racists

Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

Yeah cut the links! That'll teach 'em!.........

Hornedreaper wrote:
Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

It was the Israeli's that attacked this ship in international waters! And bottom line as you put it is that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire),Building settlements on the Palestinians land etc etc

CharminChap wrote:
If the Isle of Wight were raining 1000 missiles a year on Bournemouth, Lymington, Southampton and Portsmouth, I think that our government would have a pretty robust response and we would be grateful for it. If, under the above situation, France began sending flotillas of goods to prop up the terrorists running the place, we would also demand that the Royal Navy intercept and stop them. I don't think that there would be many bleed-heart apologists condemning our forces for doing what they had to do if attacked either. Hamas is a terrorist organisation that believes that every Jew world-wide should be killed so stop kidding yourselves. There is only one democracy in the Middle East and it's worth defending.

if the residents from the Isle of Wight decided it was their "right " to claim land and bulid on it in Bournemouth, Lymington and Southampton and then build a massive wall through the towns stealing more land then you'd understand why the missiles are coming ! the ONLY way to resolve these issues is by talks and peace from BOTH sides

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:
Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

It was the Israeli's that attacked this ship in international waters! And bottom line as you put it is that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire),Building settlements on the Palestinians land etc etc

I would hardly call landing on a ship for a search is an attack, Judging by the footage it looked to me that they attacked first.


"that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire"


So they don't also try and kill do they?

To be honest i would love the planet to be made out of paper so i could use a pair of scissors and cut out the whole of the middle east and fold it into a paper plane and thow it into space.

Hornedreaper wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:
Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

It was the Israeli's that attacked this ship in international waters! And bottom line as you put it is that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire),Building settlements on the Palestinians land etc etc

I would hardly call landing on a ship for a search is an attack, Judging by the footage it looked to me that they attacked first.


"that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire"


So they don't also try and kill do they?

To be honest i would love the planet to be made out of paper so i could use a pair of scissors and cut out the whole of the middle east and fold it into a paper plane and thow it into space.

armed forces landing on a ship in international waters without any permission to do so is an attack!!!!!! They had no right or permission to be there. If I walked into your house uninvited armed with guns you would rightly call it an attack. And yes the Palestinians do resort to violence and frankly you can hardly blame them, Their land has been stolen and they are treated appallingly. The thing is many of the people are throwing stones and being shot with high powered rifles hardly proportionate is it???

djd wrote:

Jonkers wrote: The people who dies were martyrs - they knew exactly what they were doing.

These people went deliberately to confront the Israelis. They knew what the reaction would be and they were not dissappointed.

Exactly! It was not coincidence where the only bost to not allow inspection for weapons came from and who died.

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:
Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

It was the Israeli's that attacked this ship in international waters! And bottom line as you put it is that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire),Building settlements on the Palestinians land etc etc

I would hardly call landing on a ship for a search is an attack, Judging by the footage it looked to me that they attacked first.


"that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire"


So they don't also try and kill do they?

To be honest i would love the planet to be made out of paper so i could use a pair of scissors and cut out the whole of the middle east and fold it into a paper plane and thow it into space.

armed forces landing on a ship in international waters without any permission to do so is an attack!!!!!! They had no right or permission to be there. If I walked into your house uninvited armed with guns you would rightly call it an attack. And yes the Palestinians do resort to violence and frankly you can hardly blame them, Their land has been stolen and they are treated appallingly. The thing is many of the people are throwing stones and being shot with high powered rifles hardly proportionate is it???

"As of January 13, 2009, Palestinian militants had launched approximately 565 rockets and 200 mortars at Israel since the beginning of the conflict"


Funny looking stones.....Lets just hope they don't get their hands on boulders!!

GAHmusic wrote:
I would like to point out that for many years the UK suffered at the hands of the IRA, Bombings, asasinations and murder but at no time did the UK government attempt to starve the irish people, deprive them of water, food and basic needs, deny them medical treatement or indescriminately murder individuals. why because as a responsible nation we understand measured responce that only targets the guilty and does not bring suffering to thousands of inocent men, women and children. I say cut ties now until they can learn to act like a responsible nation I for one do not want to be twinned with them

and who was supplying the Irish Republican Army with most of their money for weapons - AMERICA but nobody complained about that one! The trouble in Northern Ireland would have been over long ago but for the Irish Americans and their sense of identity!

At the end of the day, no matter what anyone likes to think Israel has a responsibility to act In a measured and responsible manner. Something they have failed at and continue to fail at. Whilst they may have a right to defend themselves their action go way beyond what is acceptable in a civilised society. Like I said read the UN reports as you cannot even begin to realise the level of atrocities that are committed under the guise of defence. I suggest starting with the report on the Jenin camp and how the homes were demolished with residents still inside including a handicapped boy in a wheel chair. Or maybe how they prevent children from obtaining medical care that’s needed, or maybe how they use Palestinian children as shields when they attack, or maybe the illegal use of phosphor bombs. When will some of the people here realise that Israel is an illegally occupying force and Palestine is the victim trying to defend itself with little to no resource to do it with and if it wasn't for the world wide infiltration of governments by Jewish politicians this would have been resolved years ago by simply putting Israel back in line. And just to round off, this is not anti Semitic as there are many Jews the world over who also disagree with the actions of their government and their governments failure to stem the influence of extremist groups like the Hasidics who through Zinonism remain the only legally endorsed racists in the world owing to the US vito that prevented it being banned under UN law.

rainbowkisses wrote:
Unless you were on that ship, how do you know these people were murdered? Killed yes, murdered? We saw a few clips from a very bias BBC, (who is well know for being anti jewish) How was it that 5 out of the 6 boats were boardered peacefully, yet the 6th one looked like it was geared up for a fight? The truth is, Isreal is at WAR with Hamas. Plain and simple. All you bleeding heart liberals who have answers to all the worlds problems, from the comfort of you armchair, make me laugh. I bet you were the same people who were supporting the IRA when it was killing soldiers and civilians alike. It's not as if Isreal has said they cant have aid, just not the stuff that can be used to make or fire rockets into Isreal. Totally agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if this weak wristed Council did cut links though, it's the sort of spineless action they would do. Hilter would be proud of some of the comments in here. You can see that anti-Semitism is alive and well. I can just picture some of these commentors in their shiny black uniforms. I say more power to Isreal. For a country that has been at war for everyday of the last 60 odd years, I think they are quite restrained. If idiots want to try and push their way through a known blockade, then don't moan if you get hurt. If Hamas wants the blockade to stop, then stand up and say "we will not fire missles into Isreal anymore, and Isreal has the right to exsist too" Palistine makes a big song and dance about how what Isreal is doing is wrong, but I don't see them doing anything about the firing of missles. If the leaders of Palistine really cared about their people, they would condemn the attacks from BOTH sides, but as usual with people like that, they are selective who they want to blame.

You have got to admit that someone who is shot in the head at close rang - and others who were also shot - did not shoot each other!! Autopsies have revealed this.

The Israelis are always agressive, and over-handed (I was going to say go for 'overkill' but perhaps that's inappropriate?)

On the other hand - not is is appropriate - they launched an attack and were surprised when those onboard objected to pirates dropping in on them - in what was international waters.

Didn't know Bournemouth and Israel were twinned - but good idea to cancel the link. As to cancelling Switzerland link - well they don't go about shooting people do they??

Hornedreaper wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:
Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

It was the Israeli's that attacked this ship in international waters! And bottom line as you put it is that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire),Building settlements on the Palestinians land etc etc

I would hardly call landing on a ship for a search is an attack, Judging by the footage it looked to me that they attacked first.


"that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire"


So they don't also try and kill do they?

To be honest i would love the planet to be made out of paper so i could use a pair of scissors and cut out the whole of the middle east and fold it into a paper plane and thow it into space.

armed forces landing on a ship in international waters without any permission to do so is an attack!!!!!! They had no right or permission to be there. If I walked into your house uninvited armed with guns you would rightly call it an attack. And yes the Palestinians do resort to violence and frankly you can hardly blame them, Their land has been stolen and they are treated appallingly. The thing is many of the people are throwing stones and being shot with high powered rifles hardly proportionate is it???

"As of January 13, 2009, Palestinian militants had launched approximately 565 rockets and 200 mortars at Israel since the beginning of the conflict"


Funny looking stones.....Lets just hope they don't get their hands on boulders!!

The kids are throwing stones not the militants, and i wonder how many Israeli rockets have been fired from gunships etc!!! And of course i suspect your figures come form the Israelis themselves!!

You can hardly blame the militants, these occupiers are building settlements on their land, forcing them into Ghetto's, Killing them!!

I'm no terrorist but if a foreign power were doing this to my family and friends i think i would fire a few bloody rockets at them!!!!!!!

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:

traindriver3ss wrote:

Hornedreaper wrote:
Forget about history, Talk about the present, Bottom line is Israel are under attack by terrorists therefore they need to stop the attacks and if this means stopping and searching ships who they feel are a threat than so be it, If they get attacked whilst doing so they have to protect themselves whatever means possible. This situation has been blown out of proportion imo.

It was the Israeli's that attacked this ship in international waters! And bottom line as you put it is that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire),Building settlements on the Palestinians land etc etc

I would hardly call landing on a ship for a search is an attack, Judging by the footage it looked to me that they attacked first.


"that they are treating the Palestinians like animals, starving them, murdering their children ( some times under the extreme provocation of a few stones being thrown at soldiers to which they reply with machine gun fire"


So they don't also try and kill do they?

To be honest i would love the planet to be made out of paper so i could use a pair of scissors and cut out the whole of the middle east and fold it into a paper plane and thow it into space.

armed forces landing on a ship in international waters without any permission to do so is an attack!!!!!! They had no right or permission to be there. If I walked into your house uninvited armed with guns you would rightly call it an attack. And yes the Palestinians do resort to violence and frankly you can hardly blame them, Their land has been stolen and they are treated appallingly. The thing is many of the people are throwing stones and being shot with high powered rifles hardly proportionate is it???

Why can't all the Israeli 'haters' see the facts, or are they just these pathetic people people who jump on any bandwagon of protest.
The ship was boarded as Hamas has made it clear they will try and import weapons and products to make weapons. Pure and simple. You moan that people throw rocks at soldiers get killed!!! What do they expect... a cup of tea or a cake or something.
Any country that is constantly under attack from a band of terrorist lunatics will do whatever they have to to stop the weapons getting in.
Totally support Israel in their tough stance.

We're not Israel haters we just see the truth about their behaviour that you are blinded to Frank2010 and being decent human beings we think it is wrong for anyone to act this way. Sorry Frank but you are so so wrong and need to open your eyes and see the truth.