Legendary Vulcan ready to roar at Bournemouth Air Festival after £400k works

INSPIRING: The Vulcan

Legendary Vulcan ready to roar at Bournemouth Air Festival after £400k works

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THE last flying Vulcan will make a popular return to the Bournemouth Air Festival this year following a £400,000 wing modification funded by supporters.

The iconic all-British jet took off for the first time in early June following a painstaking project to extend the life of her airframe.

This aimed to give her an extra two years in the air and has made it possible for her to take part in this year’s Bournemouth Air Festival.

Dr Robert Pleming, the chief executive of the Vulcan to the Sky Trust, inset, said: “Extending her flying life required a remarkable operation that combined the very latest 3D scanning and analytical techniques with a range of traditional craft skills that I have to say are quite unique and amazing.

“It was remarkably British, at times looking positively eccentric, yet always combining innovation and engineering excellence.

“An error of just a few thousandths of an inch could have grounded her forever.”

Dr Pleming said the work would not have been possible without the time and money donated by XH558’s many supporters. “Without their hard work and generosity, there would no longer be such a dramatic reminder of this amazing period in British history, when we really did rule the skies.

“Airshows in the UK attract around seven million people annually. As a spectator activity, that is second only to football. An appearance by the Vulcan builds even on this remarkable level, typically increasing attendance by 20 to 40 per cent. Airshow organisers talk about “the Vulcan effect” and have described the aircraft as a national treasure.”He said the Vulcan’s appearance at the Bournemouth Air Festival was a great opportunity to say thank you to local supporters and sponsors.

n The air festival brochure is on sale now and is available from Daily Echo offices, shops around the area and the Bournemouth Tourism Information Centre in advance and around the festival site over the event, between August 28-31.

The Daily Echo’s book celebrating the first five years of the festival is also still on sale. Visit bournemouthecho.co.uk/books and follow the links, or call the subscriptions department on 01305 830924 to order by credit or debit card.

Read lots more in our air festival section online at bournemouthecho.co.uk/air and, for mobile users, at bit.ly/bmthair.

Find out where to buy your official Air Festival brochure

Photographic competition

PHOTOGRAPHERS of all ages are invited to take part in the Daily Echo/Castle Cameras air festival photographic competition during the four-day extravaganza, which gets under way on Thursday, August 28.

There are two categories, adult and junior (16 and under), and we want you to submit one picture that you feel captures the essence of the air festival 2014.

The adult prize is £300 of Castle Cameras vouchers and budding young photographers will compete for a chance to win a red Canon Powershot SX 280 HS.

Once you have chosen your best image (only one entry per person) send us an email with your name, age (for juniors only), address and phone number to airfest2014@bournemouthecho.co.uk.

The file should be as large as possible, at least 500kb and state in the subject heading either ‘Adult Air Festival comp’ or ‘Junior Air Festival Comp’.

We will display our favourite images in a gallery at bournemouthecho.co.uk/air and the deadline for entries is Friday, September 5.

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5:53am Wed 27 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

400 Grand?
Somebody is making a good butty out of this.
400 Grand? Somebody is making a good butty out of this. BIGTONE
  • Score: -26

6:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

alasdair1967 says...

I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years alasdair1967
  • Score: -9

8:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

fizzy fert says...

RUBBISH TALK
YOU KNOW IT IS
RUBBISH TALK YOU KNOW IT IS fizzy fert
  • Score: -30

8:19am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hickery says...

And she's flying on which day(s)?
And she's flying on which day(s)? Hickery
  • Score: -1

8:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

guitario says...

Of course, easier said that done - but when the Vulcan finally hangs up her wings - I wonder if it's possible to recreate an exact copy for future generations to appreciate? It would cost a fortune, but the engine could be migrated over (even replicated) and all that would be needed is a custom designed outer shell. Of course, it wouldn't happen, at least in the foreseeable future, but surely it's theoretically possible.

Think Jurassic Park, but with aircraft.
Of course, easier said that done - but when the Vulcan finally hangs up her wings - I wonder if it's possible to recreate an exact copy for future generations to appreciate? It would cost a fortune, but the engine could be migrated over (even replicated) and all that would be needed is a custom designed outer shell. Of course, it wouldn't happen, at least in the foreseeable future, but surely it's theoretically possible. Think Jurassic Park, but with aircraft. guitario
  • Score: 0

9:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying. penhalereturns
  • Score: -22

9:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hurn08 says...

penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels! Hurn08
  • Score: 27

9:57am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
The CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.
.
Have you not noticed, it very rarely does, to windy, to wet, what will it be this year to hot or perhaps a bald tyre.
[quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]The CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. . Have you not noticed, it very rarely does, to windy, to wet, what will it be this year to hot or perhaps a bald tyre. Hessenford
  • Score: -23

10:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country.
Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.
[quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country. Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable. penhalereturns
  • Score: -21

10:15am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hurn08 says...

Hessenford wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
The CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.
.
Have you not noticed, it very rarely does, to windy, to wet, what will it be this year to hot or perhaps a bald tyre.
If you actually knew your stuff you'd know it's done a fair bit of flying already this year, but if the weather is too bad, or it has something break on it then it doesn't fly. It's the same rules for all operators of these old 'one of a kind' planes.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]The CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. . Have you not noticed, it very rarely does, to windy, to wet, what will it be this year to hot or perhaps a bald tyre.[/p][/quote]If you actually knew your stuff you'd know it's done a fair bit of flying already this year, but if the weather is too bad, or it has something break on it then it doesn't fly. It's the same rules for all operators of these old 'one of a kind' planes. Hurn08
  • Score: 24

10:20am Wed 27 Aug 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

Would it hurt for the Echo to give us the time of the Vulcan's appearance - or do we have to buy a brochure?
Would it hurt for the Echo to give us the time of the Vulcan's appearance - or do we have to buy a brochure? Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 1

10:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hurn08 says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country.
Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.
Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone!

If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country. Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone! If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do. Hurn08
  • Score: 27

11:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

Browser123 says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Would it hurt for the Echo to give us the time of the Vulcan's appearance - or do we have to buy a brochure?
The Echo HAS given you the times, story 13 has a link to the schedule, which shows it`s on Saturday, 2nd last. So you can work out the time.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: Would it hurt for the Echo to give us the time of the Vulcan's appearance - or do we have to buy a brochure?[/p][/quote]The Echo HAS given you the times, story 13 has a link to the schedule, which shows it`s on Saturday, 2nd last. So you can work out the time. Browser123
  • Score: 3

11:06am Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country.
Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.
Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone!

If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.
Again you misread my post, try engaging your brain with your eyes, I didn't assume that anyone would donate to a Harrier, I said I would rather have seen money go toward keeping a Harrier in the air, I'm not fussed either way but the Vulcan was withdrawn from service 30 years ago and is well past its sell by date, Harriers on the other hand have only been out of service for 3 years and was only cast off to save money not because it was to old to fly, simple maths would dictate that the Harrier would be easier and cheaper to maintain and also give the crowds a thrill.
We have the Spitfire, Hurricane two Lancaster bombers and a Flying Fortress in the air, which very rarely let the crowds down, if these relics can manage to keep flying there must be something seriously wrong with the more modern Vulcan which keeps it on the ground rather than in the air.
And its nothing to do with being a bean counter, its called being a realist and the reality is that the Vulcan has had its day, it costs far to much and lets everyone down at various air shows, confine it to the ground where it is at its most happiness.
Donations will eventually dry up for the Vulcan after people become disheartened with giving money to a lost cause, it should be maintained as a static display
[quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country. Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone! If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.[/p][/quote]Again you misread my post, try engaging your brain with your eyes, I didn't assume that anyone would donate to a Harrier, I said I would rather have seen money go toward keeping a Harrier in the air, I'm not fussed either way but the Vulcan was withdrawn from service 30 years ago and is well past its sell by date, Harriers on the other hand have only been out of service for 3 years and was only cast off to save money not because it was to old to fly, simple maths would dictate that the Harrier would be easier and cheaper to maintain and also give the crowds a thrill. We have the Spitfire, Hurricane two Lancaster bombers and a Flying Fortress in the air, which very rarely let the crowds down, if these relics can manage to keep flying there must be something seriously wrong with the more modern Vulcan which keeps it on the ground rather than in the air. And its nothing to do with being a bean counter, its called being a realist and the reality is that the Vulcan has had its day, it costs far to much and lets everyone down at various air shows, confine it to the ground where it is at its most happiness. Donations will eventually dry up for the Vulcan after people become disheartened with giving money to a lost cause, it should be maintained as a static display penhalereturns
  • Score: -27

12:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Minty Fresh says...

You just know there will be some excuse as to why the Vulcan won't appear at the air festival this year. They've done it before to lure in those desperate to see it and then let them down when they are already here!
You just know there will be some excuse as to why the Vulcan won't appear at the air festival this year. They've done it before to lure in those desperate to see it and then let them down when they are already here! Minty Fresh
  • Score: -21

12:22pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Hurn08 says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country.
Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.
Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone!

If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.
Again you misread my post, try engaging your brain with your eyes, I didn't assume that anyone would donate to a Harrier, I said I would rather have seen money go toward keeping a Harrier in the air, I'm not fussed either way but the Vulcan was withdrawn from service 30 years ago and is well past its sell by date, Harriers on the other hand have only been out of service for 3 years and was only cast off to save money not because it was to old to fly, simple maths would dictate that the Harrier would be easier and cheaper to maintain and also give the crowds a thrill.
We have the Spitfire, Hurricane two Lancaster bombers and a Flying Fortress in the air, which very rarely let the crowds down, if these relics can manage to keep flying there must be something seriously wrong with the more modern Vulcan which keeps it on the ground rather than in the air.
And its nothing to do with being a bean counter, its called being a realist and the reality is that the Vulcan has had its day, it costs far to much and lets everyone down at various air shows, confine it to the ground where it is at its most happiness.
Donations will eventually dry up for the Vulcan after people become disheartened with giving money to a lost cause, it should be maintained as a static display
If anyone needs to engage their brain, then it's definitely you! You're so out of touch with the reality of running old aircraft that I can't even be bothered wasting any more of my time arguing with you. Feel free to carry on spouting your uneducated drivel though, as it gives the rest of us a good laugh. :)
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country. Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone! If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.[/p][/quote]Again you misread my post, try engaging your brain with your eyes, I didn't assume that anyone would donate to a Harrier, I said I would rather have seen money go toward keeping a Harrier in the air, I'm not fussed either way but the Vulcan was withdrawn from service 30 years ago and is well past its sell by date, Harriers on the other hand have only been out of service for 3 years and was only cast off to save money not because it was to old to fly, simple maths would dictate that the Harrier would be easier and cheaper to maintain and also give the crowds a thrill. We have the Spitfire, Hurricane two Lancaster bombers and a Flying Fortress in the air, which very rarely let the crowds down, if these relics can manage to keep flying there must be something seriously wrong with the more modern Vulcan which keeps it on the ground rather than in the air. And its nothing to do with being a bean counter, its called being a realist and the reality is that the Vulcan has had its day, it costs far to much and lets everyone down at various air shows, confine it to the ground where it is at its most happiness. Donations will eventually dry up for the Vulcan after people become disheartened with giving money to a lost cause, it should be maintained as a static display[/p][/quote]If anyone needs to engage their brain, then it's definitely you! You're so out of touch with the reality of running old aircraft that I can't even be bothered wasting any more of my time arguing with you. Feel free to carry on spouting your uneducated drivel though, as it gives the rest of us a good laugh. :) Hurn08
  • Score: 19

12:32pm Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
Hurn08 wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it.
Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.
What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts.
People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent.

The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise.

Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels!
Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country.
Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.
Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone!

If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.
Again you misread my post, try engaging your brain with your eyes, I didn't assume that anyone would donate to a Harrier, I said I would rather have seen money go toward keeping a Harrier in the air, I'm not fussed either way but the Vulcan was withdrawn from service 30 years ago and is well past its sell by date, Harriers on the other hand have only been out of service for 3 years and was only cast off to save money not because it was to old to fly, simple maths would dictate that the Harrier would be easier and cheaper to maintain and also give the crowds a thrill.
We have the Spitfire, Hurricane two Lancaster bombers and a Flying Fortress in the air, which very rarely let the crowds down, if these relics can manage to keep flying there must be something seriously wrong with the more modern Vulcan which keeps it on the ground rather than in the air.
And its nothing to do with being a bean counter, its called being a realist and the reality is that the Vulcan has had its day, it costs far to much and lets everyone down at various air shows, confine it to the ground where it is at its most happiness.
Donations will eventually dry up for the Vulcan after people become disheartened with giving money to a lost cause, it should be maintained as a static display
If anyone needs to engage their brain, then it's definitely you! You're so out of touch with the reality of running old aircraft that I can't even be bothered wasting any more of my time arguing with you. Feel free to carry on spouting your uneducated drivel though, as it gives the rest of us a good laugh. :)
In reality you cant answer my reply, take the easy way out and bog off you stupid imbecile.
[quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hurn08[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]If that's true then perhaps it shouldn't be flying at all, does elf and safety know about this, maybe I'm being a little cynical but after being let down year after year I'll believe it is in the air when I see it. Rather than pour all this money into an aircraft which has maybe 2 years left I would rather have seen the money go to keeping a Harrier flying.[/p][/quote]What Harriers? We sold them all off to the Yanks to use for spares parts. People donate to the Vulcan simply because they want to see it flying, so it's not for you to say where the money should or shouldn't be spent. The airframe is fine; they've done all the required modifications and have full CAA approval to fly, and let me tell you, the CAA really are sticklers for everything being done correctly. It wouldn't leave the ground otherwise. Just hoping it's able to turn up this year, both in appearance and in noise levels![/p][/quote]Read my post again, I never told anyone where to spend their money, I said I would rather have seen the money go toward keeping a harrier in the air, I am aware that we sold all the Harriers to the yanks, perhaps some of the money wasted on the Vulcan could have kept one in this country. Your last sentence,"just hoping it's able to turn up this year" says it all, unaffordable and unreliable.[/p][/quote]Why do you assume that people would have donated all that money to a Harrier instead? There was nothing stopping someone starting a 'Harrier to the Sky' campaign and going out to get the public to donate, but they didn't, so deal with it. It's gone! If you really knew anything about aviation and old planes then you'd know they're ALL a huge 'unaffordable' money pit. Not many in the game turn a profit, especially with old jets, yet they still fly them for our entertainment. Obviously this is a shock to a 'bean counter' like you, but some people just do it for the love of it and I for one am very pleased they do.[/p][/quote]Again you misread my post, try engaging your brain with your eyes, I didn't assume that anyone would donate to a Harrier, I said I would rather have seen money go toward keeping a Harrier in the air, I'm not fussed either way but the Vulcan was withdrawn from service 30 years ago and is well past its sell by date, Harriers on the other hand have only been out of service for 3 years and was only cast off to save money not because it was to old to fly, simple maths would dictate that the Harrier would be easier and cheaper to maintain and also give the crowds a thrill. We have the Spitfire, Hurricane two Lancaster bombers and a Flying Fortress in the air, which very rarely let the crowds down, if these relics can manage to keep flying there must be something seriously wrong with the more modern Vulcan which keeps it on the ground rather than in the air. And its nothing to do with being a bean counter, its called being a realist and the reality is that the Vulcan has had its day, it costs far to much and lets everyone down at various air shows, confine it to the ground where it is at its most happiness. Donations will eventually dry up for the Vulcan after people become disheartened with giving money to a lost cause, it should be maintained as a static display[/p][/quote]If anyone needs to engage their brain, then it's definitely you! You're so out of touch with the reality of running old aircraft that I can't even be bothered wasting any more of my time arguing with you. Feel free to carry on spouting your uneducated drivel though, as it gives the rest of us a good laugh. :)[/p][/quote]In reality you cant answer my reply, take the easy way out and bog off you stupid imbecile. penhalereturns
  • Score: -18

12:34pm Wed 27 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Would it hurt for the Echo to give us the time of the Vulcan's appearance - or do we have to buy a brochure?
Probably not given because it wont get off the ground as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: Would it hurt for the Echo to give us the time of the Vulcan's appearance - or do we have to buy a brochure?[/p][/quote]Probably not given because it wont get off the ground as usual. penhalereturns
  • Score: -17

1:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

retry69 says...

Is it next week the children return to school ?
Is it next week the children return to school ? retry69
  • Score: 3

1:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Ayles 10 says...

Minty Fresh wrote:
You just know there will be some excuse as to why the Vulcan won't appear at the air festival this year. They've done it before to lure in those desperate to see it and then let them down when they are already here!
What a load of cr*p! Do you honestly think they spend thousands of hours & pounds ensuring it is airworthy just so they can't 'lure' people in? Would you rather the Vulcan team risk the safety of the crew and spectators, just to keep 'Minty Fresh' happy if they have any doubts about it airworthiness?
[quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: You just know there will be some excuse as to why the Vulcan won't appear at the air festival this year. They've done it before to lure in those desperate to see it and then let them down when they are already here![/p][/quote]What a load of cr*p! Do you honestly think they spend thousands of hours & pounds ensuring it is airworthy just so they can't 'lure' people in? Would you rather the Vulcan team risk the safety of the crew and spectators, just to keep 'Minty Fresh' happy if they have any doubts about it airworthiness? Ayles 10
  • Score: 10

2:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

alasdair1967 wrote:
I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years
Seems everyone knows someone who is 'very close' to the aircraft. As someone who knows several people who actually are, I can tell you that 'major concern' is at best poor wording, and at worst scaremongering.

The airframe has a measured life, and there is at least enough left to do this year and next, and probably several years beyond that. The real 'major concern' as you put it is engine life, with there only being two serviceable spares. Right now, next year is planned to be the last year of flight as it is believed that at that point the life left on the six remaining engines may not be sufficient to justify the expense of another major winter service. We shall see.
[quote][p][bold]alasdair1967[/bold] wrote: I happen to know someone very close to this aircraft the airframe is a major concern ,the mechanical side is fine as long as regularly serviced they can keep that side going ,but the airframe was described to me as imagine someone with brittle bones enjoy seeing her fly this year as she is very very close to the end of her flying years[/p][/quote]Seems everyone knows someone who is 'very close' to the aircraft. As someone who knows several people who actually are, I can tell you that 'major concern' is at best poor wording, and at worst scaremongering. The airframe has a measured life, and there is at least enough left to do this year and next, and probably several years beyond that. The real 'major concern' as you put it is engine life, with there only being two serviceable spares. Right now, next year is planned to be the last year of flight as it is believed that at that point the life left on the six remaining engines may not be sufficient to justify the expense of another major winter service. We shall see. speedy231278
  • Score: 0
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