UPDATE: EDL set to march through Bournemouth on Saturday

EDL set to march through Bournemouth on Saturday

Adnan Chaudry

David Stokes

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THE English Defence League is planning to march through the centre of Bournemouth on one of the busiest weekends of the year.

The march, planned for this Saturday, is billed as a demonstration against Islamic extremism and could be attended by hundreds of people.

In response, members of unions, the National Pensioners’ Convention and the Labour and Green parties have organised an alternative rally to celebrate the town’s diverse culture.

The EDL march will start at 12.30pm outside the Moon in the Square pub and go past the BIC to Pier Approach and up to West Cliff.

The counter-protest, involving a number of groups co-ordinated by Unite the Union, plan to meet at Horseshoe Common, taking a proposed route that finishes at Bath Road South car park.

Some disruption is expected between midday and 2pm, although this will be for short periods of time while the marches move through different areas.

Adnan Chaudry, chief officer of the Dorset Race Equality Council, accused the EDL of racism. He said: “We recognise that the EDL is a racist organisation whose main activities are street demonstrations against Muslim communities.

“They deliberately seek to whip up tension and violence between communities. We’re not going to allow them to divide our communities in Bournemouth.”

The EDL says that it is not a racist organisation and that it is only against “extreme compon-ents of Islam”.

David Stokes, Labour’s Parlia-mentary candidate for Bournemouth West, will take part in the alternative march. He said: “We are using the slogan ‘We Are Bournemouth’ for our march and rally because we are trying to highlight the fact that Bournemouth is a peaceful multi-cultural place where we welcome people from around the world.”

Police and council chiefs say they are preparing carefully for a march by the English Defence League – and a counter protest by Unite the Union, in Bournemouth on Saturday.

The police say they will be taking an active and visible role on the day to minimise any risks and help manage any disruption, provide useful updates to the public, and to quickly respond should any crimes occur.

Superintendent Nicky Searle, Gold Commander for Operation Fig, explained: “The police and other public authorities have a clear legal obligation to facilitate peaceful protest; whatever the cause and even if it creates some disruption to other people.

“We will balance this right to peaceful protest with the rights of others to go about their normal business. This means we will monitor both marches to help keep everyone safe as they move through the town, provide information to help minimise disruption, and respond quickly if any crimes or significant disorder occurs.

“Both groups have contacted us, which has allowed us to better understand their intentions and given us a realistic picture allowing us to police the protests as proportionately as possible.

“We have also negotiated so that their rights to protest are balanced against the level of impact on the town. For example, following discussion, the EDL agreed not to march during the busy Air Festival weekend and both groups agreed to march simultaneously, which will minimise the period of travel disruption.

“We are working with Bournemouth Borough Council and other partners to manage any impact on the town and to reassure local people. This includes liaising with other emergency services to ensure access for response vehicles during the marches.

“With assistance from the Council, we aim to minimise the level of traffic disruption, implementing temporary rolling road closures only when necessary during the marches. On the day, we will keep people up-to-date with travel information and anything else that may impact on them in real-time on our website and via Twitter.

“We have been in contact with local councillors, MPs and business leaders to advise them about the protests. Detailed information will be distributed to businesses and local residents in the areas affected a few days before the protests and will be made available on our website. It has not been possible to do this earlier due to the groups’ intentions and proposed routes only being finalised this week.

“On the day people will see an increased police presence in the town. However, I would reassure local residents, businesses and visitors that our intention and expectation is that while people will probably notice the protests taking place for a few hours, they will still be able to enjoy the town as normal with minimal disruption for the vast majority of the day.”

The English Defence League plan to meet at The Square and march to the West Overcliff path between the BIC and the clifftop. The counter-protest, involving a number of groups coordinated by Unite the Union, plan to meet at Horseshoe Common, taking a proposed route that finishes at Bath Road South car park.

Some disruption is expected between midday and 2pm, although this will be for short periods of time while the marches move through different areas. Estimates of protest participants are usually very unreliable; however at this time it is anticipated that each procession and rally will number in the hundreds.

Supt Nicky Searle said the groups have agreed to march simultaneously and said Twitter and the Dorset Police website will be updated as the events take place and that information will be given to local residents and businesses this week.

For live updates on the day, visit the Dorset Police website at dorset.police.uk or follow the Twitter hashtag #OpFig on @DorsetPolice.

 

Statement from the EDL

“Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain is a community event made up of several groups and organised by local residents together with the English Defence League.
 

“There has been considerable interest since we announced that the event will be going ahead. We state clearly and unambiguously that people of all nationalities and beliefs are welcome at this event. We are talking about challenging the extreme components of Islam and its peoples’ cultures.
 

“We certainly do not have a problem with every Muslim. We extend an invitation to the students, shoppers, tourists and others to come along and hear our message. Spectators with an open mind are always welcome.”

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5:15am Wed 20 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

More antagonists on both sides make these demonstrations futile. This is not debate just mudslinging.
More antagonists on both sides make these demonstrations futile. This is not debate just mudslinging. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 28

5:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

Understated says...

i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist. Understated
  • Score: -117

6:00am Wed 20 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected. ShuttleX
  • Score: 187

6:01am Wed 20 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected. ShuttleX
  • Score: 6

7:10am Wed 20 Aug 14

slayride says...

why is any group allowed to hold a "political" rally on one of bournemouth's busiest weekends? who gave them permission? surely they had to apply?
why is any group allowed to hold a "political" rally on one of bournemouth's busiest weekends? who gave them permission? surely they had to apply? slayride
  • Score: 41

7:19am Wed 20 Aug 14

High Treason says...

The National Pensioners’ Convention is a left wing lets take care of the world setup. Then they complain about the state pension being a pittance.
The National Pensioners’ Convention is a left wing lets take care of the world setup. Then they complain about the state pension being a pittance. High Treason
  • Score: 27

7:26am Wed 20 Aug 14

Baysider says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
You're expecting most of the EDL protesters to have hair??? From what I've seen they consist of fat balding thugs who use the cover of legitimate protest to turn up in seaside towns, have a good beer up, shout racist rubbish they would get nicked for in other circumstances and end the day singing football chants whilst looking for a tear up with the locals.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]You're expecting most of the EDL protesters to have hair??? From what I've seen they consist of fat balding thugs who use the cover of legitimate protest to turn up in seaside towns, have a good beer up, shout racist rubbish they would get nicked for in other circumstances and end the day singing football chants whilst looking for a tear up with the locals. Baysider
  • Score: -37

7:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

nothingtofear says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
'He (David Stokes) has no plans except to get elected'.

Really? As if Labour are ever going to take Bournemouth West.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]'He (David Stokes) has no plans except to get elected'. Really? As if Labour are ever going to take Bournemouth West. nothingtofear
  • Score: 46

7:31am Wed 20 Aug 14

nothingtofear says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
'He (David Stokes) has no plans except to get elected'.

Really? As if Labour are ever going to take Bournemouth West.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]'He (David Stokes) has no plans except to get elected'. Really? As if Labour are ever going to take Bournemouth West. nothingtofear
  • Score: 10

7:40am Wed 20 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

The word march amuses me this will be more like an amble or even a rumble

By the left quick march, that is marching, as I was taught by a nasty man with some white stripes on his arm.

Then there also a squabble of who is going to carry the banner ( The old Sally Ann joke)
The word march amuses me this will be more like an amble or even a rumble By the left quick march, that is marching, as I was taught by a nasty man with some white stripes on his arm. Then there also a squabble of who is going to carry the banner ( The old Sally Ann joke) Lord Spring
  • Score: -30

7:41am Wed 20 Aug 14

ben111 says...

Any political party such as this will always appeal to the, Blinkered bigoted person that believes all they see through the TV without doing their own research , I wait with baited breath for any volley of abuse on how they take our jobs and live of the government blah blah . Carry on
Any political party such as this will always appeal to the, Blinkered bigoted person that believes all they see through the TV without doing their own research , I wait with baited breath for any volley of abuse on how they take our jobs and live of the government blah blah . Carry on ben111
  • Score: -31

7:41am Wed 20 Aug 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

My advice would be to avoid Bournemouth on Saturday. Militant unions on one march and nutters in the other.
It can only lead to trouble.
Such a shame for all the locals and tourists on a bank holiday weekend.
My advice would be to avoid Bournemouth on Saturday. Militant unions on one march and nutters in the other. It can only lead to trouble. Such a shame for all the locals and tourists on a bank holiday weekend. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 49

7:42am Wed 20 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.
[quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst. ashleycross
  • Score: -56

7:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

rusty james says...

EDL?
Nah, more like KDS,

Knuckle Dragging Scum.
EDL? Nah, more like KDS, Knuckle Dragging Scum. rusty james
  • Score: -39

7:56am Wed 20 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

Victor_Meldrew_Lives
!
wrote:
My advice would be to avoid Bournemouth on Saturday. Militant unions on one march and nutters in the other.
It can only lead to trouble.
Such a shame for all the locals and tourists on a bank holiday weekend.
There were some lively Bank Holidays in the early 60s The police used furniture vans to load the trouble makers into then.
[quote][p][bold]Victor_Meldrew_Lives ![/bold] wrote: My advice would be to avoid Bournemouth on Saturday. Militant unions on one march and nutters in the other. It can only lead to trouble. Such a shame for all the locals and tourists on a bank holiday weekend.[/p][/quote]There were some lively Bank Holidays in the early 60s The police used furniture vans to load the trouble makers into then. Lord Spring
  • Score: 25

7:59am Wed 20 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Would the EDL be for or against Scottish independence? I'd be interested to know there position in theory they should want Scotland kicked out as they aren't English.
Would the EDL be for or against Scottish independence? I'd be interested to know there position in theory they should want Scotland kicked out as they aren't English. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: -23

8:07am Wed 20 Aug 14

Queen jess x says...

Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ... Queen jess x
  • Score: -89

8:12am Wed 20 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

Thanks EDL but no thanks.

The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think.

I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.
Thanks EDL but no thanks. The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think. I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 40

8:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

LeeThorne says...

EDL.. So you guys don't mind if Radical muslims preach death to our soldiers on the streets? But when EDL protest against Sharia law in the uk they are racist? I agree most of them seem like Thuggish morons who share a brain cell but they have the right to freedom of speech just like everyone else. If it will offend you then stay away? If your with them then go join them its your right to express freedom of speech. Myself i will stay away i don't want to be associated with any of these groups. Id rather just live my life.
EDL.. So you guys don't mind if Radical muslims preach death to our soldiers on the streets? But when EDL protest against Sharia law in the uk they are racist? I agree most of them seem like Thuggish morons who share a brain cell but they have the right to freedom of speech just like everyone else. If it will offend you then stay away? If your with them then go join them its your right to express freedom of speech. Myself i will stay away i don't want to be associated with any of these groups. Id rather just live my life. LeeThorne
  • Score: 138

8:13am Wed 20 Aug 14

old duffa says...

ok edl sound a bit harsh
but when the extreme of isis start telling our teachers and kids to preach islam our schools and no other way ,what the long term outcome,
so think about it,we are a free country,but wont be for long is isis get bigger,
just need to curb extremist,
ok edl sound a bit harsh but when the extreme of isis start telling our teachers and kids to preach islam our schools and no other way ,what the long term outcome, so think about it,we are a free country,but wont be for long is isis get bigger, just need to curb extremist, old duffa
  • Score: 124

8:19am Wed 20 Aug 14

FerryFan says...

I am going to be watching to see if there is anyone I know - there are a few people in town I suspect of being knuckle draggers, so maybe stand there ticking my list off in my head if they are marching...

Islamic extremism needs to be tackled, but this lot are just rent a thug in my opinion, same as a lot of protesters of various things are not supportive of the cause, just want to be part of something causing trouble. The small w*lly brigade in other words.
I am going to be watching to see if there is anyone I know - there are a few people in town I suspect of being knuckle draggers, so maybe stand there ticking my list off in my head if they are marching... Islamic extremism needs to be tackled, but this lot are just rent a thug in my opinion, same as a lot of protesters of various things are not supportive of the cause, just want to be part of something causing trouble. The small w*lly brigade in other words. FerryFan
  • Score: -47

8:19am Wed 20 Aug 14

LeeThorne says...

old duffa wrote:
ok edl sound a bit harsh
but when the extreme of isis start telling our teachers and kids to preach islam our schools and no other way ,what the long term outcome,
so think about it,we are a free country,but wont be for long is isis get bigger,
just need to curb extremist,
LOL? What do you thinks going to happen? One day ISIS will invade bournemouth beach? This i what i mean by sharing a braincell.
[quote][p][bold]old duffa[/bold] wrote: ok edl sound a bit harsh but when the extreme of isis start telling our teachers and kids to preach islam our schools and no other way ,what the long term outcome, so think about it,we are a free country,but wont be for long is isis get bigger, just need to curb extremist,[/p][/quote]LOL? What do you thinks going to happen? One day ISIS will invade bournemouth beach? This i what i mean by sharing a braincell. LeeThorne
  • Score: -16

8:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

rmdavis138 says...

When on earth are these people going to get it right. Islam is NOT a race so it cant be raciest. Its a religon at best and if someone doesnt stop the extreemests, I think were going to see more groups like the EDL appear.
When on earth are these people going to get it right. Islam is NOT a race so it cant be raciest. Its a religon at best and if someone doesnt stop the extreemests, I think were going to see more groups like the EDL appear. rmdavis138
  • Score: 135

8:29am Wed 20 Aug 14

MrDMan says...

Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I can't understand why this has been thumbed down.

Nobody likes extremists, but that's such a small percentage of "Muslims".
The real extremists are the neo nazi thugs who are marching. I'd like to think I wouldn't know anyone there
[quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I can't understand why this has been thumbed down. Nobody likes extremists, but that's such a small percentage of "Muslims". The real extremists are the neo nazi thugs who are marching. I'd like to think I wouldn't know anyone there MrDMan
  • Score: -66

8:33am Wed 20 Aug 14

dean3020 says...

Incorrect-use-of-hyp
hen-overload in this piece. Still, with the 12.30 start that's a few hours of cheap pre-drinking in Wetherspoons for the ralliers!
Incorrect-use-of-hyp hen-overload in this piece. Still, with the 12.30 start that's a few hours of cheap pre-drinking in Wetherspoons for the ralliers! dean3020
  • Score: -9

8:45am Wed 20 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

I dont like the EDL and what they stand for.I also think we should all live in Harmony,.
But having said that,The rise of Exstremist Islam .and Sharia law in this country,which would surpress the freedom of Womens writes,and eventually change our culture,is a worry ,and must be addressed ,through the ballot box,other wise I can see trouble coming in the years ahead.
I dont like the EDL and what they stand for.I also think we should all live in Harmony,. But having said that,The rise of Exstremist Islam .and Sharia law in this country,which would surpress the freedom of Womens writes,and eventually change our culture,is a worry ,and must be addressed ,through the ballot box,other wise I can see trouble coming in the years ahead. cromwell9
  • Score: 81

8:46am Wed 20 Aug 14

dean3020 says...

rmdavis138 wrote:
When on earth are these people going to get it right. Islam is NOT a race so it cant be raciest. Its a religon at best and if someone doesnt stop the extreemests, I think were going to see more groups like the EDL appear.
True, anti-religious discrimination should be called religism- but it's not officially a word yet and so neither religism or racism are correct terms in this instance.
[quote][p][bold]rmdavis138[/bold] wrote: When on earth are these people going to get it right. Islam is NOT a race so it cant be raciest. Its a religon at best and if someone doesnt stop the extreemests, I think were going to see more groups like the EDL appear.[/p][/quote]True, anti-religious discrimination should be called religism- but it's not officially a word yet and so neither religism or racism are correct terms in this instance. dean3020
  • Score: 20

8:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

NickTheGreekinBmth says...

slayride wrote:
why is any group allowed to hold a "political" rally on one of bournemouth's busiest weekends? who gave them permission? surely they had to apply?
They don't need permission unfortunately. Unless they are illegal, they've got a legal right to protest, whether we, the people who live here, like their views or not. Police and council have no choice but to support it and try to minimise the impacts on those of us trying to enjoy the town centre on a Saturday afternoon, otherwise they just march anyway.
[quote][p][bold]slayride[/bold] wrote: why is any group allowed to hold a "political" rally on one of bournemouth's busiest weekends? who gave them permission? surely they had to apply?[/p][/quote]They don't need permission unfortunately. Unless they are illegal, they've got a legal right to protest, whether we, the people who live here, like their views or not. Police and council have no choice but to support it and try to minimise the impacts on those of us trying to enjoy the town centre on a Saturday afternoon, otherwise they just march anyway. NickTheGreekinBmth
  • Score: 15

8:55am Wed 20 Aug 14

forest-dweller says...

As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth. forest-dweller
  • Score: 17

8:55am Wed 20 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
Well Islam can be a religion of peace BUT when was the last time that you heard of Christians burying 500 people alive which happened in Northern Iraq TWO WEEKS AGO.

Maybe you all just had your fingers in your ears that day. Vote Labour and invite ISIS over here.
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]Well Islam can be a religion of peace BUT when was the last time that you heard of Christians burying 500 people alive which happened in Northern Iraq TWO WEEKS AGO. Maybe you all just had your fingers in your ears that day. Vote Labour and invite ISIS over here. eaststandman
  • Score: 80

8:58am Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing. speedy231278
  • Score: 125

9:01am Wed 20 Aug 14

spooki says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
Uh, no it's probably more to avoid the trouble it will no doubt cause to everyone else trying to enjoy a Bank Holiday weekend and Air Festival.
I'd avoid the town centre because it will be so busy as well as avoiding this lot.
Fair enough, have your own views but don't bug everyone else with them.
One march in a seaside town is not going to stop a bunch of idiots blowing up/shooting each other.
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]Uh, no it's probably more to avoid the trouble it will no doubt cause to everyone else trying to enjoy a Bank Holiday weekend and Air Festival. I'd avoid the town centre because it will be so busy as well as avoiding this lot. Fair enough, have your own views but don't bug everyone else with them. One march in a seaside town is not going to stop a bunch of idiots blowing up/shooting each other. spooki
  • Score: -5

9:04am Wed 20 Aug 14

Celestine71 says...

They are not a political group and have no interest in politics, they are a radical fascist group designed to stir people into violence against anyone who is not white British. Anyone who has seen the leaflets handed out to members of the public last weekend and the abuse aimed at taxi drivers will know that. This march is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such. They have no right to be present in this country and nor does ISIS or any other group that supports racism or terrorism. It's disgusting that in 2014 we are still living in a world that promotes violence, egotism and ignorance.......all in the name of religion.
They are not a political group and have no interest in politics, they are a radical fascist group designed to stir people into violence against anyone who is not white British. Anyone who has seen the leaflets handed out to members of the public last weekend and the abuse aimed at taxi drivers will know that. This march is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such. They have no right to be present in this country and nor does ISIS or any other group that supports racism or terrorism. It's disgusting that in 2014 we are still living in a world that promotes violence, egotism and ignorance.......all in the name of religion. Celestine71
  • Score: -32

9:05am Wed 20 Aug 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford......... Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 16

9:05am Wed 20 Aug 14

forest-dweller says...

cromwell9 wrote:
I dont like the EDL and what they stand for.I also think we should all live in Harmony,.
But having said that,The rise of Exstremist Islam .and Sharia law in this country,which would surpress the freedom of Womens writes,and eventually change our culture,is a worry ,and must be addressed ,through the ballot box,other wise I can see trouble coming in the years ahead.
I largely agree. People can dismiss the EDL for who they are, but they need to address why they have sprung up and that just isn't happening. I think most of us can agree that there is a problem of co-existence with the Muslim community and this does need to be addressed. Maybe not in Bournemouth, but pop up to London or go to areas such as Leeds, and you'll see a different picture. So while I find the EDL unattractive, the basis of their message is more worthy and I feel too often it is just brushed aside as being the words of the "Far Right" without any discussion at all. Still, I stick to my previous post in finding it strange they want to come to Bournemouth. May be they feel that they will meet with less opposition and therefore can crow about it being a success.
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: I dont like the EDL and what they stand for.I also think we should all live in Harmony,. But having said that,The rise of Exstremist Islam .and Sharia law in this country,which would surpress the freedom of Womens writes,and eventually change our culture,is a worry ,and must be addressed ,through the ballot box,other wise I can see trouble coming in the years ahead.[/p][/quote]I largely agree. People can dismiss the EDL for who they are, but they need to address why they have sprung up and that just isn't happening. I think most of us can agree that there is a problem of co-existence with the Muslim community and this does need to be addressed. Maybe not in Bournemouth, but pop up to London or go to areas such as Leeds, and you'll see a different picture. So while I find the EDL unattractive, the basis of their message is more worthy and I feel too often it is just brushed aside as being the words of the "Far Right" [sic] without any discussion at all. Still, I stick to my previous post in finding it strange they want to come to Bournemouth. May be they feel that they will meet with less opposition and therefore can crow about it being a success. forest-dweller
  • Score: 43

9:07am Wed 20 Aug 14

Queen jess x says...

Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!!
Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!! Queen jess x
  • Score: -32

9:09am Wed 20 Aug 14

Gooby! says...

EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking Gooby!
  • Score: -43

9:18am Wed 20 Aug 14

contric says...

perhaps things would be helped if people like adnan chaudry with their big salaries and fancy job titles condemned the islamic millitants as well as the edl
perhaps things would be helped if people like adnan chaudry with their big salaries and fancy job titles condemned the islamic millitants as well as the edl contric
  • Score: 82

9:18am Wed 20 Aug 14

contric says...

perhaps things would be helped if people like adnan chaudry with their big salaries and fancy job titles condemned the islamic millitants as well as the edl
perhaps things would be helped if people like adnan chaudry with their big salaries and fancy job titles condemned the islamic millitants as well as the edl contric
  • Score: 36

9:22am Wed 20 Aug 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Well no doubt the local criminals will have a field day on Saturday as every copper in the area will be in Bournemouth!
Well no doubt the local criminals will have a field day on Saturday as every copper in the area will be in Bournemouth! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 8

9:36am Wed 20 Aug 14

the amazon returns again says...

FerryFan wrote:
I am going to be watching to see if there is anyone I know - there are a few people in town I suspect of being knuckle draggers, so maybe stand there ticking my list off in my head if they are marching...

Islamic extremism needs to be tackled, but this lot are just rent a thug in my opinion, same as a lot of protesters of various things are not supportive of the cause, just want to be part of something causing trouble. The small w*lly brigade in other words.
Hey Ferryfanny, The EDL are the only outfit in this once proud country that demonstrate publicly against this disease of Islamic extremism. I'm an ex forces member of 10 years, seen it 1st hand, I only wish clowns like you had. make sure you stick me on your list and we'll compare w*lly's pal. All your packing is Hot Air
[quote][p][bold]FerryFan[/bold] wrote: I am going to be watching to see if there is anyone I know - there are a few people in town I suspect of being knuckle draggers, so maybe stand there ticking my list off in my head if they are marching... Islamic extremism needs to be tackled, but this lot are just rent a thug in my opinion, same as a lot of protesters of various things are not supportive of the cause, just want to be part of something causing trouble. The small w*lly brigade in other words.[/p][/quote]Hey Ferryfanny, The EDL are the only outfit in this once proud country that demonstrate publicly against this disease of Islamic extremism. I'm an ex forces member of 10 years, seen it 1st hand, I only wish clowns like you had. make sure you stick me on your list and we'll compare w*lly's pal. All your packing is Hot Air the amazon returns again
  • Score: 57

9:52am Wed 20 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

A boozed-up seaside jolly for racist thugs. That is all.
A boozed-up seaside jolly for racist thugs. That is all. The Liberal
  • Score: -35

9:58am Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.
With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY. gonzo123
  • Score: 45

9:58am Wed 20 Aug 14

MrPitiful says...

Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff.

If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either.

I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace.

I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?
Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff. If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either. I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace. I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle? MrPitiful
  • Score: -18

10:08am Wed 20 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

If the people protesting locally this weekend are from the Labour Party, the Greens and the EDL at least we can be fairly confident many of those partaking will be off the intellectually challenged variety!

One group represents those who helped cause many of these global cultural problems, one would doubtless do even worse given half the chance (look at Brighton) and the third perhaps has the potential to be almost as extreme and insane as those they claim to protest about.

A sparsely attended but noisy and pointless circus is probably assured.
If the people protesting locally this weekend are from the Labour Party, the Greens and the EDL at least we can be fairly confident many of those partaking will be off the intellectually challenged variety! One group represents those who helped cause many of these global cultural problems, one would doubtless do even worse given half the chance (look at Brighton) and the third perhaps has the potential to be almost as extreme and insane as those they claim to protest about. A sparsely attended but noisy and pointless circus is probably assured. muscliffman
  • Score: -8

10:09am Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

Ukip*
Ukip* gonzo123
  • Score: 26

10:12am Wed 20 Aug 14

moorsman70 says...

here is a good idea,lets just sit around and see if they just go away shall we it might just work esp as that attitude towards the ira for 30 years! worked didnt it-fools
here is a good idea,lets just sit around and see if they just go away shall we it might just work esp as that attitude towards the ira for 30 years! worked didnt it-fools moorsman70
  • Score: -14

10:14am Wed 20 Aug 14

BoscVegas says...

Could they not have chosen a less important weekend for our towns economy. Also why haven't they gotten the hint yet if you can't get more than a few hundred to show up you are probably chatting nonsense.

to clarify, nobody outside a relatively small group EDL supporters cares so **** off.
Could they not have chosen a less important weekend for our towns economy. Also why haven't they gotten the hint yet if you can't get more than a few hundred to show up you are probably chatting nonsense. to clarify, nobody outside a relatively small group EDL supporters cares so **** off. BoscVegas
  • Score: -26

10:14am Wed 20 Aug 14

samjo05 says...

Yay! Racists!
Yay! Racists! samjo05
  • Score: -27

10:14am Wed 20 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

What I don't understand is why Unite are organising a protest march against the protesters, surely someone must have the common sense to realise that having two opposing protests on the same day is going to cause problems that we could all do without. No doubt Unite Against Fascism will be there as well and they happen to be far more fascist than anyone.

The EDL is but a protest group, not a political party and all they can do is organise protest marches, though I do think they should really hold them in places where there is a real problem. One of Bournemouth's biggest industries happens to be foreign students, so what kind of message are they expecting to get over to people in Bournemouth, who quite frankly do not have a clue about the problems of Islamic extremism. I can't see the EDL actually gaining anything other than a bad name for this one.

One of the problems I have noticed in the past with everything that has been going on, is how the media invent new words like Islamophobia, it is totally the wrong terminology, no one is afraid of Islam, what does worry people is the extremists factor of Islam, so surely it should be Jihadophobia and after seeing what has been happening in Iraq and Syria, this is something that everyone should be concerned about.
What I don't understand is why Unite are organising a protest march against the protesters, surely someone must have the common sense to realise that having two opposing protests on the same day is going to cause problems that we could all do without. No doubt Unite Against Fascism will be there as well and they happen to be far more fascist than anyone. The EDL is but a protest group, not a political party and all they can do is organise protest marches, though I do think they should really hold them in places where there is a real problem. One of Bournemouth's biggest industries happens to be foreign students, so what kind of message are they expecting to get over to people in Bournemouth, who quite frankly do not have a clue about the problems of Islamic extremism. I can't see the EDL actually gaining anything other than a bad name for this one. One of the problems I have noticed in the past with everything that has been going on, is how the media invent new words like Islamophobia, it is totally the wrong terminology, no one is afraid of Islam, what does worry people is the extremists factor of Islam, so surely it should be Jihadophobia and after seeing what has been happening in Iraq and Syria, this is something that everyone should be concerned about. Marty Caine
  • Score: 30

10:24am Wed 20 Aug 14

grazzer says...

if i remember rightly Lord Spring it was Sister Hannah who carried the banner


Back in the 60's and 70's we had some amazing pitched battles on Bank Holidays between the Mods and The rockers so it looks like history is about to repeat itself this weekend
if i remember rightly Lord Spring it was Sister Hannah who carried the banner Back in the 60's and 70's we had some amazing pitched battles on Bank Holidays between the Mods and The rockers so it looks like history is about to repeat itself this weekend grazzer
  • Score: 6

10:25am Wed 20 Aug 14

amelia75 says...

Great so the busiest day of the year and we have to put up with that rubbish .Dont think i will bother going to the air show now as it seems to have been ruined by idiots. These protests always brings trouble isnt fair to people wanting to go watch the air show you should be ashamed of yourselves. thanks for runining the weekend
Great so the busiest day of the year and we have to put up with that rubbish .Dont think i will bother going to the air show now as it seems to have been ruined by idiots. These protests always brings trouble isnt fair to people wanting to go watch the air show you should be ashamed of yourselves. thanks for runining the weekend amelia75
  • Score: -26

10:30am Wed 20 Aug 14

amelia75 says...

amelia75 wrote:
Great so the busiest day of the year and we have to put up with that rubbish .Dont think i will bother going to the air show now as it seems to have been ruined by idiots. These protests always brings trouble isnt fair to people wanting to go watch the air show you should be ashamed of yourselves. thanks for runining the weekend
Hehe not the same weekend..oops still not good tho
[quote][p][bold]amelia75[/bold] wrote: Great so the busiest day of the year and we have to put up with that rubbish .Dont think i will bother going to the air show now as it seems to have been ruined by idiots. These protests always brings trouble isnt fair to people wanting to go watch the air show you should be ashamed of yourselves. thanks for runining the weekend[/p][/quote]Hehe not the same weekend..oops still not good tho amelia75
  • Score: 6

10:30am Wed 20 Aug 14

Holdenhurst says...

amelia75 wrote:
Great so the busiest day of the year and we have to put up with that rubbish .Dont think i will bother going to the air show now as it seems to have been ruined by idiots. These protests always brings trouble isnt fair to people wanting to go watch the air show you should be ashamed of yourselves. thanks for runining the weekend
The Air Festival isn't this weekend. It's next weekend.
[quote][p][bold]amelia75[/bold] wrote: Great so the busiest day of the year and we have to put up with that rubbish .Dont think i will bother going to the air show now as it seems to have been ruined by idiots. These protests always brings trouble isnt fair to people wanting to go watch the air show you should be ashamed of yourselves. thanks for runining the weekend[/p][/quote]The Air Festival isn't this weekend. It's next weekend. Holdenhurst
  • Score: 25

10:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

simong says...

"David Stokes, Labour’s Parlia-mentary candidate for Bourne-mouth West, will take part in the alternative march. He said: “We are using the slogan ‘We Are Bournemouth’ for our march"

Oh really ! well a load of left wing loony toons isn't mine or many others idea of what Bournemouth is.
"David Stokes, Labour’s Parlia-mentary candidate for Bourne-mouth West, will take part in the alternative march. He said: “We are using the slogan ‘We Are Bournemouth’ for our march" Oh really ! well a load of left wing loony toons isn't mine or many others idea of what Bournemouth is. simong
  • Score: 27

10:45am Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

muscliffman wrote:
If the people protesting locally this weekend are from the Labour Party, the Greens and the EDL at least we can be fairly confident many of those partaking will be off the intellectually challenged variety!

One group represents those who helped cause many of these global cultural problems, one would doubtless do even worse given half the chance (look at Brighton) and the third perhaps has the potential to be almost as extreme and insane as those they claim to protest about.

A sparsely attended but noisy and pointless circus is probably assured.
Is 'intellectually challenged' possibly defined by someone who doesn't know the difference between 'off' and 'of'?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If the people protesting locally this weekend are from the Labour Party, the Greens and the EDL at least we can be fairly confident many of those partaking will be off the intellectually challenged variety! One group represents those who helped cause many of these global cultural problems, one would doubtless do even worse given half the chance (look at Brighton) and the third perhaps has the potential to be almost as extreme and insane as those they claim to protest about. A sparsely attended but noisy and pointless circus is probably assured.[/p][/quote]Is 'intellectually challenged' possibly defined by someone who doesn't know the difference between 'off' and 'of'? speedy231278
  • Score: 5

10:46am Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
Well no doubt the local criminals will have a field day on Saturday as every copper in the area will be in Bournemouth!
All three of them. I bet Underhand will be in a different county!
[quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: Well no doubt the local criminals will have a field day on Saturday as every copper in the area will be in Bournemouth![/p][/quote]All three of them. I bet Underhand will be in a different county! speedy231278
  • Score: 4

10:49am Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

Marty Caine wrote:
What I don't understand is why Unite are organising a protest march against the protesters, surely someone must have the common sense to realise that having two opposing protests on the same day is going to cause problems that we could all do without. No doubt Unite Against Fascism will be there as well and they happen to be far more fascist than anyone.

The EDL is but a protest group, not a political party and all they can do is organise protest marches, though I do think they should really hold them in places where there is a real problem. One of Bournemouth's biggest industries happens to be foreign students, so what kind of message are they expecting to get over to people in Bournemouth, who quite frankly do not have a clue about the problems of Islamic extremism. I can't see the EDL actually gaining anything other than a bad name for this one.

One of the problems I have noticed in the past with everything that has been going on, is how the media invent new words like Islamophobia, it is totally the wrong terminology, no one is afraid of Islam, what does worry people is the extremists factor of Islam, so surely it should be Jihadophobia and after seeing what has been happening in Iraq and Syria, this is something that everyone should be concerned about.
Pretty simple answer really on the UNITE front. Doesn't the acronym stand for Useless No-brained Idiotic Twits Everywhere?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is why Unite are organising a protest march against the protesters, surely someone must have the common sense to realise that having two opposing protests on the same day is going to cause problems that we could all do without. No doubt Unite Against Fascism will be there as well and they happen to be far more fascist than anyone. The EDL is but a protest group, not a political party and all they can do is organise protest marches, though I do think they should really hold them in places where there is a real problem. One of Bournemouth's biggest industries happens to be foreign students, so what kind of message are they expecting to get over to people in Bournemouth, who quite frankly do not have a clue about the problems of Islamic extremism. I can't see the EDL actually gaining anything other than a bad name for this one. One of the problems I have noticed in the past with everything that has been going on, is how the media invent new words like Islamophobia, it is totally the wrong terminology, no one is afraid of Islam, what does worry people is the extremists factor of Islam, so surely it should be Jihadophobia and after seeing what has been happening in Iraq and Syria, this is something that everyone should be concerned about.[/p][/quote]Pretty simple answer really on the UNITE front. Doesn't the acronym stand for Useless No-brained Idiotic Twits Everywhere? speedy231278
  • Score: 2

10:50am Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise. davidh1975
  • Score: 66

10:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

sw1983 says...

slayride wrote:
why is any group allowed to hold a "political" rally on one of bournemouth's busiest weekends? who gave them permission? surely they had to apply?
you shouldn't need permission to walk down the street
[quote][p][bold]slayride[/bold] wrote: why is any group allowed to hold a "political" rally on one of bournemouth's busiest weekends? who gave them permission? surely they had to apply?[/p][/quote]you shouldn't need permission to walk down the street sw1983
  • Score: 19

10:56am Wed 20 Aug 14

Arrrrrgh says...

Protesting against Islam / Muslims (irrespective of whether it's the extremists or not) is NOT racism - Islam is not a race, it's a religion. There is nothing wrong with protesting a religion which - at it's worst - calls for violence and oppression. It doesn't matter whether it's Islam or Christianity, religious extremism should be fought against at every turn.

Now, whether the EDL are actually doing this or whether it's just an excuse to have a pop at the brown people, I cannot comment. I personally think that all religions are damaging, but I also find it difficult to take seriously the 'Islam is a religion of peace' when on the news today it's adherents are cutting reporters heads off on the TV.
Protesting against Islam / Muslims (irrespective of whether it's the extremists or not) is NOT racism - Islam is not a race, it's a religion. There is nothing wrong with protesting a religion which - at it's worst - calls for violence and oppression. It doesn't matter whether it's Islam or Christianity, religious extremism should be fought against at every turn. Now, whether the EDL are actually doing this or whether it's just an excuse to have a pop at the brown people, I cannot comment. I personally think that all religions are damaging, but I also find it difficult to take seriously the 'Islam is a religion of peace' when on the news today it's adherents are cutting reporters heads off on the TV. Arrrrrgh
  • Score: 44

11:09am Wed 20 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

So, the EDL are racist are they?

Consider Samantha Lewthwaite the white English jihadi who massacred dozens of people in a shopping mall in Kenya and Ayaan Hirsi Ali the Somalian woman who survived FGM and who, as an apostate, has to live in constant fear of her life and who has warned Europe that it is sleepwalking to its downfall. Which do you think the EDL has a problem with?

At least we were spared the usual "far-right" tag in this article so that's progress at least.

Further details here:

http://ecawblog.word
press.com/2014/05/17
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rs-for-the-edl/
So, the EDL are racist are they? Consider Samantha Lewthwaite the white English jihadi who massacred dozens of people in a shopping mall in Kenya and Ayaan Hirsi Ali the Somalian woman who survived FGM and who, as an apostate, has to live in constant fear of her life and who has warned Europe that it is sleepwalking to its downfall. Which do you think the EDL has a problem with? At least we were spared the usual "far-right" tag in this article so that's progress at least. Further details here: http://ecawblog.word press.com/2014/05/17 /two-and-a-half-chee rs-for-the-edl/ ECAW99
  • Score: 34

11:17am Wed 20 Aug 14

BournemouthGuy says...

MrPitiful wrote:
Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff.

If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either.

I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace.

I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?
What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?"

are you anti gay?
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff. If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either. I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace. I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?[/p][/quote]What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?" are you anti gay? BournemouthGuy
  • Score: 17

11:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

speedy231278 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
If the people protesting locally this weekend are from the Labour Party, the Greens and the EDL at least we can be fairly confident many of those partaking will be off the intellectually challenged variety!

One group represents those who helped cause many of these global cultural problems, one would doubtless do even worse given half the chance (look at Brighton) and the third perhaps has the potential to be almost as extreme and insane as those they claim to protest about.

A sparsely attended but noisy and pointless circus is probably assured.
Is 'intellectually challenged' possibly defined by someone who doesn't know the difference between 'off' and 'of'?
Cheap and pointless shot pal, beware your own next typo!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If the people protesting locally this weekend are from the Labour Party, the Greens and the EDL at least we can be fairly confident many of those partaking will be off the intellectually challenged variety! One group represents those who helped cause many of these global cultural problems, one would doubtless do even worse given half the chance (look at Brighton) and the third perhaps has the potential to be almost as extreme and insane as those they claim to protest about. A sparsely attended but noisy and pointless circus is probably assured.[/p][/quote]Is 'intellectually challenged' possibly defined by someone who doesn't know the difference between 'off' and 'of'?[/p][/quote]Cheap and pointless shot pal, beware your own next typo! muscliffman
  • Score: 3

11:27am Wed 20 Aug 14

dean3020 says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely. dean3020
  • Score: 8

11:37am Wed 20 Aug 14

Orwell's Ghost says...

Why is opposing a 7th Century totalitarian, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic ideology masquerading as a religion considered racist? Richard Dart from Weymouth is rather white, isn't he? Don't allow criticism of Islamism to be shouted down by Marxist screams of racism. read the Quran for yourself and uncover the facts.
Why is opposing a 7th Century totalitarian, sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic ideology masquerading as a religion considered racist? Richard Dart from Weymouth is rather white, isn't he? Don't allow criticism of Islamism to be shouted down by Marxist screams of racism. read the Quran for yourself and uncover the facts. Orwell's Ghost
  • Score: 37

11:47am Wed 20 Aug 14

Dorset69 says...

So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives. Dorset69
  • Score: 53

11:47am Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

The police will b filming every1 at the EDL demo. This is used 4 unspecified purposes. The images will b kept on a data base. This is used 2 harass political activists. The police shud not b filming any1. People need 2 realise the extent of state powers. If u wana no more just search the Internet.
The police will b filming every1 at the EDL demo. This is used 4 unspecified purposes. The images will b kept on a data base. This is used 2 harass political activists. The police shud not b filming any1. People need 2 realise the extent of state powers. If u wana no more just search the Internet. kevinms
  • Score: 3

11:48am Wed 20 Aug 14

Borninbournemouth says...

I'm not racist but ...
I'm not racist but ... Borninbournemouth
  • Score: -1

11:53am Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

Dorset 69. I think if u watch the news the government is doing something. People have the right 2 shout wot they like unless they break certain laws. The true extremists hide amongst every1. EDL is a racist group. It just stirs up hate. Its homophobic as well. R u homophobic 2?
Dorset 69. I think if u watch the news the government is doing something. People have the right 2 shout wot they like unless they break certain laws. The true extremists hide amongst every1. EDL is a racist group. It just stirs up hate. Its homophobic as well. R u homophobic 2? kevinms
  • Score: -19

11:56am Wed 20 Aug 14

BCDbusint2014 says...

EDL? Defending England ?? Things worth complaining about..

1) Complain about hospitals.. more people die of lethal injections in each hospital each generation than throughout all the troubles of Northern Ireland.. the public have been systematically disabled exploited mislead.. and made pathetic and cancerous .. and in many ways less human and less capable than any generation in Britain ever before..

2) Complain about education.. we could have been educated about the businesses of the world... the maps the challenges the opportunities.. the money to make .. the possibilities of the future..instead.. every year of school leavers ends up eventually decimated.. economically medically politically and misadventurously.. socially discriminated against to prevent them doing the work they are capable of..

3) Complain about taxes.. everybody would be better off as customers paying directly for healthcare and education worth paying for.... even the police could be funded by your insurers.. and why not the military too..???

4) Complain about defence..this country has never been defended.. not a school or an institution not a business capability not a hospital or a bank not infrastructure not even your homes your women or kids.. obviously prima nocter klinkhouse sh!t from europe invaded systematically to decimate us every 12 good men and true to establish their sh!tty dysfunctional psychoeconomic ways of life instead

5) Complain about banks about financial crime and property crime.. this country has been bankrupted by property criminals.. and worse they bumped off husbands and fathers.. took their homes and exploited their former wives.. leaving kids without mothers in nightmares of drugs crime and prostitution instead of the happy families they loved..

6) Complain about westminster.. haven't we got enough common sense of our own.. do we need a house of commons.. do you really want to pay for them to f#ck in our taxes..??? do you need them in your meetings on your tellies in your lives??? taking your money out of your wallet to waste on crappy dysfunctional people who think there is more money in politics than working for the future of the country???

7) Complain about the war... saddam never did 911 he would have picked the holocaust on the highway as a date to attack local airbases in the arab world to get the americans out of his airspace.. 911 was done by firemen in new york and washington.. the world trade centre was brought down by explosives in the fire exstinguishers .. and only a veteran fireman would put himself or bankers through a fire like it.. the war has been set up just like the one in Northern Ireland to decimate young british men through selection deployment and training to nick their homes for immigrant prima nocter war criminals to f#ck their women instead!!!
EDL? Defending England ?? Things worth complaining about.. 1) Complain about hospitals.. more people die of lethal injections in each hospital each generation than throughout all the troubles of Northern Ireland.. the public have been systematically disabled exploited mislead.. and made pathetic and cancerous .. and in many ways less human and less capable than any generation in Britain ever before.. 2) Complain about education.. we could have been educated about the businesses of the world... the maps the challenges the opportunities.. the money to make .. the possibilities of the future..instead.. every year of school leavers ends up eventually decimated.. economically medically politically and misadventurously.. socially discriminated against to prevent them doing the work they are capable of.. 3) Complain about taxes.. everybody would be better off as customers paying directly for healthcare and education worth paying for.... even the police could be funded by your insurers.. and why not the military too..??? 4) Complain about defence..this country has never been defended.. not a school or an institution not a business capability not a hospital or a bank not infrastructure not even your homes your women or kids.. obviously prima nocter klinkhouse sh!t from europe invaded systematically to decimate us every 12 good men and true to establish their sh!tty dysfunctional psychoeconomic ways of life instead 5) Complain about banks about financial crime and property crime.. this country has been bankrupted by property criminals.. and worse they bumped off husbands and fathers.. took their homes and exploited their former wives.. leaving kids without mothers in nightmares of drugs crime and prostitution instead of the happy families they loved.. 6) Complain about westminster.. haven't we got enough common sense of our own.. do we need a house of commons.. do you really want to pay for them to f#ck in our taxes..??? do you need them in your meetings on your tellies in your lives??? taking your money out of your wallet to waste on crappy dysfunctional people who think there is more money in politics than working for the future of the country??? 7) Complain about the war... saddam never did 911 he would have picked the holocaust on the highway as a date to attack local airbases in the arab world to get the americans out of his airspace.. 911 was done by firemen in new york and washington.. the world trade centre was brought down by explosives in the fire exstinguishers .. and only a veteran fireman would put himself or bankers through a fire like it.. the war has been set up just like the one in Northern Ireland to decimate young british men through selection deployment and training to nick their homes for immigrant prima nocter war criminals to f#ck their women instead!!! BCDbusint2014
  • Score: -29

12:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

Orwells ghost. Try reading the bible. I'm an atheist. All religions promote hate and bigotry. Ure a typical right winger. Every 1 who disagrees with u is a Marxist. He was right about religion. The EDL is racist. U dont know much about Marx. Only his name.
Orwells ghost. Try reading the bible. I'm an atheist. All religions promote hate and bigotry. Ure a typical right winger. Every 1 who disagrees with u is a Marxist. He was right about religion. The EDL is racist. U dont know much about Marx. Only his name. kevinms
  • Score: 8

12:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

kevinms wrote:
The police will b filming every1 at the EDL demo. This is used 4 unspecified purposes. The images will b kept on a data base. This is used 2 harass political activists. The police shud not b filming any1. People need 2 realise the extent of state powers. If u wana no more just search the Internet.
They have been filming us football outside grounds on the way to match for years!
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: The police will b filming every1 at the EDL demo. This is used 4 unspecified purposes. The images will b kept on a data base. This is used 2 harass political activists. The police shud not b filming any1. People need 2 realise the extent of state powers. If u wana no more just search the Internet.[/p][/quote]They have been filming us football outside grounds on the way to match for years! Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 7

12:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man. kevinms
  • Score: -7

12:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man. kevinms
  • Score: -5

12:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man. kevinms
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain?

I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely.

I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab.

No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too.

It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country. MrsF82
  • Score: -9

12:12pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist" to a religion.

Mods v Rockers
Punks v Skins
Left v Right
Millwall v West Ham
Squaddies v Locals

Plus la change!
For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist" to a religion. Mods v Rockers Punks v Skins Left v Right Millwall v West Ham Squaddies v Locals Plus la change! Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 7

12:13pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
More antagonists on both sides make these demonstrations futile. This is not debate just mudslinging.
They're simply football hooligans with bigotries. They don't care about the cause, beyond just being hate filled and racist. They simply want a fight. We have to make sure they don't get it here, but rather that they're faced with a sea of tolerant people who will not stand for hatred in our town (from either side).
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: More antagonists on both sides make these demonstrations futile. This is not debate just mudslinging.[/p][/quote]They're simply football hooligans with bigotries. They don't care about the cause, beyond just being hate filled and racist. They simply want a fight. We have to make sure they don't get it here, but rather that they're faced with a sea of tolerant people who will not stand for hatred in our town (from either side). MrsF82
  • Score: -7

12:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

kevinms says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred. kevinms
  • Score: 6

12:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I'm saddened by how much you've been down-voted because you are 100% correct. They are nothing but racist hooligans - they relish an increase in immigration, as it gives them more opportunities to terrorise towns and cause trouble. This is a mostly white town with very little immigration - if indeed this is about Islam or ISIS, why are they here? Simply because they want to have a seaside, booze-fuelled jolly, complemented by their favourite activity: fighting and spreading hate. They can do one - they are not wanted here, they are not relevant here, and hopefully they will leave with their tails between their legs when people turn out to protest against them (peacefully, I might add - one single counter-protester throwing a punch, a drink or a glass would destroy the point).
[quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I'm saddened by how much you've been down-voted because you are 100% correct. They are nothing but racist hooligans - they relish an increase in immigration, as it gives them more opportunities to terrorise towns and cause trouble. This is a mostly white town with very little immigration - if indeed this is about Islam or ISIS, why are they here? Simply because they want to have a seaside, booze-fuelled jolly, complemented by their favourite activity: fighting and spreading hate. They can do one - they are not wanted here, they are not relevant here, and hopefully they will leave with their tails between their legs when people turn out to protest against them (peacefully, I might add - one single counter-protester throwing a punch, a drink or a glass would destroy the point). MrsF82
  • Score: -10

12:24pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Ahtafcb says...

wow, the negative scores for anyone who says anything against edl on here seem to show how many ignorant people there really are in bournemouth! Its just an excuse to get drunk, be confrontational ....these people dont even know what theyre protesting against. you only have to type in edl into youtube and get videos of gormless idiots waving the england flag shouting ' they got muslamic ray guns innit'. Bournemouth is a town that should not be concerning itself with Isis and such groups... if they want to protest go to Iraq !! i feel sorry for all the foriegn students and tourists who will encounter these morons over the weekend....
wow, the negative scores for anyone who says anything against edl on here seem to show how many ignorant people there really are in bournemouth! Its just an excuse to get drunk, be confrontational ....these people dont even know what theyre protesting against. you only have to type in edl into youtube and get videos of gormless idiots waving the england flag shouting ' they got muslamic ray guns innit'. Bournemouth is a town that should not be concerning itself with Isis and such groups... if they want to protest go to Iraq !! i feel sorry for all the foriegn students and tourists who will encounter these morons over the weekend.... Ahtafcb
  • Score: -7

12:28pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait.

2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)?

3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation.

4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate.

5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides.

6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail).

7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons.

8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one.

9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority.

What else have you got?
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait. 2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)? 3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation. 4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate. 5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides. 6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail). 7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons. 8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one. 9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority. What else have you got? MrsF82
  • Score: 7

12:32pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

ben111 wrote:
Any political party such as this will always appeal to the, Blinkered bigoted person that believes all they see through the TV without doing their own research , I wait with baited breath for any volley of abuse on how they take our jobs and live of the government blah blah . Carry on
I totally agree, except they're not a political party - they're an extremist group and should be treated like the terrorists they are.

There will be lots of kids around while they get drunk, shout abuse and have fights. It shouldn't be allowed. The law allows for peaceful protest, this is neither.

Also, given they'll be within the the no-alcohol zone set up within the town centre, the police should be able to legally remove pretty much every single one of them from the area.
[quote][p][bold]ben111[/bold] wrote: Any political party such as this will always appeal to the, Blinkered bigoted person that believes all they see through the TV without doing their own research , I wait with baited breath for any volley of abuse on how they take our jobs and live of the government blah blah . Carry on[/p][/quote]I totally agree, except they're not a political party - they're an extremist group and should be treated like the terrorists they are. There will be lots of kids around while they get drunk, shout abuse and have fights. It shouldn't be allowed. The law allows for peaceful protest, this is neither. Also, given they'll be within the the no-alcohol zone set up within the town centre, the police should be able to legally remove pretty much every single one of them from the area. MrsF82
  • Score: -3

12:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

LeeThorne wrote:
EDL.. So you guys don't mind if Radical muslims preach death to our soldiers on the streets? But when EDL protest against Sharia law in the uk they are racist? I agree most of them seem like Thuggish morons who share a brain cell but they have the right to freedom of speech just like everyone else. If it will offend you then stay away? If your with them then go join them its your right to express freedom of speech. Myself i will stay away i don't want to be associated with any of these groups. Id rather just live my life.
Of course no-one approves of that, how ridiculous. Hating the thugs of EDL is not the same as supporting ISIS. That's the crap they spread to force weak-minded people into supporting them. They're not here for a peaceful protest - please tell me, which recent Muslim extremist march in Bournemouth are they "protesting"? And it won't be peaceful, it will be booze-fuelled hooliganism. They make me more ashamed of being British than anything else.
[quote][p][bold]LeeThorne[/bold] wrote: EDL.. So you guys don't mind if Radical muslims preach death to our soldiers on the streets? But when EDL protest against Sharia law in the uk they are racist? I agree most of them seem like Thuggish morons who share a brain cell but they have the right to freedom of speech just like everyone else. If it will offend you then stay away? If your with them then go join them its your right to express freedom of speech. Myself i will stay away i don't want to be associated with any of these groups. Id rather just live my life.[/p][/quote]Of course no-one approves of that, how ridiculous. Hating the thugs of EDL is not the same as supporting ISIS. That's the crap they spread to force weak-minded people into supporting them. They're not here for a peaceful protest - please tell me, which recent Muslim extremist march in Bournemouth are they "protesting"? And it won't be peaceful, it will be booze-fuelled hooliganism. They make me more ashamed of being British than anything else. MrsF82
  • Score: 0

12:38pm Wed 20 Aug 14

fartycat says...

1) Borrowed from the facebook post via Sean - If you have to keep telling people that you're not a racist organisation, then there's a pretty good chance that you're a racist organisation.

2) If the EDL are that worried about IS (used to be ISIS) then why not get on a plane to Iraq and take them on face to face. I'd happily pay to watch those racist knuckle dragging drunks take on a well equipped army. In fact I'd sell my house to buy their plane tickets!
1) Borrowed from the facebook post via Sean - If you have to keep telling people that you're not a racist organisation, then there's a pretty good chance that you're a racist organisation. 2) If the EDL are that worried about IS (used to be ISIS) then why not get on a plane to Iraq and take them on face to face. I'd happily pay to watch those racist knuckle dragging drunks take on a well equipped army. In fact I'd sell my house to buy their plane tickets! fartycat
  • Score: -5

12:38pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
How tragic that a message of peace and equality gets you downvoted, while people ranting about a threat that does not exist here get a good old thumbs up. What a farce.

Rest assured it's just some EDL baboons hitting refresh 30 times.
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]How tragic that a message of peace and equality gets you downvoted, while people ranting about a threat that does not exist here get a good old thumbs up. What a farce. Rest assured it's just some EDL baboons hitting refresh 30 times. MrsF82
  • Score: -15

12:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

old duffa wrote:
ok edl sound a bit harsh
but when the extreme of isis start telling our teachers and kids to preach islam our schools and no other way ,what the long term outcome,
so think about it,we are a free country,but wont be for long is isis get bigger,
just need to curb extremist,
If indeed this is true, and not just more balls spread by the Daily Mail, why would they come here to protest ISIS and this behaviour in schools? It's not relevant. It's not true either, but that's a story for another day.
[quote][p][bold]old duffa[/bold] wrote: ok edl sound a bit harsh but when the extreme of isis start telling our teachers and kids to preach islam our schools and no other way ,what the long term outcome, so think about it,we are a free country,but wont be for long is isis get bigger, just need to curb extremist,[/p][/quote]If indeed this is true, and not just more balls spread by the Daily Mail, why would they come here to protest ISIS and this behaviour in schools? It's not relevant. It's not true either, but that's a story for another day. MrsF82
  • Score: 3

12:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
My point exactly. They couldn't pick a more irrelevant place to march, and I'd like to think they won't get any support at all, but I know that's unrealistic - as you can see from the comment voting here, you don't have to actually be experiencing a lot of immigration / exposure to other races and religions to be a moronic bigot.

As I said, they're just here for a seaside jolly - other people might go on a fishing or golfing holiday, they go for drinking and a fight. It's their hobby.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]My point exactly. They couldn't pick a more irrelevant place to march, and I'd like to think they won't get any support at all, but I know that's unrealistic - as you can see from the comment voting here, you don't have to actually be experiencing a lot of immigration / exposure to other races and religions to be a moronic bigot. As I said, they're just here for a seaside jolly - other people might go on a fishing or golfing holiday, they go for drinking and a fight. It's their hobby. MrsF82
  • Score: 4

12:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

eaststandman wrote:
Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
Well Islam can be a religion of peace BUT when was the last time that you heard of Christians burying 500 people alive which happened in Northern Iraq TWO WEEKS AGO.

Maybe you all just had your fingers in your ears that day. Vote Labour and invite ISIS over here.
Please, please tell me what that has to do with the EDL marching at all, let alone in Bournemouth (one of the whitest places in the country)? It's an excuse for a jolly with bonus fighting.

You're right, Christianity is such a peaceful religion - Christians treat everyone with respect, right? Ha! People have been doing shocking and disgusting things in the name of Christianity since the religion was founded - my goodness, either people have very short memories, or don't know their history, or are just justifying their bigotry.

Get one thing straight - the EDL couldn't give less of a toss about what's going on in England, let alone Iraq or elsewhere. The only things they care about are things that give them an excuse to get drunk and beat people up.
[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]Well Islam can be a religion of peace BUT when was the last time that you heard of Christians burying 500 people alive which happened in Northern Iraq TWO WEEKS AGO. Maybe you all just had your fingers in your ears that day. Vote Labour and invite ISIS over here.[/p][/quote]Please, please tell me what that has to do with the EDL marching at all, let alone in Bournemouth (one of the whitest places in the country)? It's an excuse for a jolly with bonus fighting. You're right, Christianity is such a peaceful religion - Christians treat everyone with respect, right? Ha! People have been doing shocking and disgusting things in the name of Christianity since the religion was founded - my goodness, either people have very short memories, or don't know their history, or are just justifying their bigotry. Get one thing straight - the EDL couldn't give less of a toss about what's going on in England, let alone Iraq or elsewhere. The only things they care about are things that give them an excuse to get drunk and beat people up. MrsF82
  • Score: -9

1:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

kevinms wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.
Fair point, because when did people with differing views about atheism last (or ever) cause a war? And of course unlike any religion the single atheist 'theology' is entirely supported by the available evidence.
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.[/p][/quote]Fair point, because when did people with differing views about atheism last (or ever) cause a war? And of course unlike any religion the single atheist 'theology' is entirely supported by the available evidence. muscliffman
  • Score: 13

1:07pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
'Islam can be a religion of peace'. Did you get that from a Xmas cracker?
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]'Islam can be a religion of peace'. Did you get that from a Xmas cracker? bogtrotter
  • Score: 12

1:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
And, as usual, the one thing you haven't mentioned, is the topic.

Which is increasingly, the religion of intolerence and hate. I see they bravely beheaded another journalist today. That's why Islam has no place in a civilized country.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.[/p][/quote]And, as usual, the one thing you haven't mentioned, is the topic. Which is increasingly, the religion of intolerence and hate. I see they bravely beheaded another journalist today. That's why Islam has no place in a civilized country. eaststandman
  • Score: 29

1:12pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups. MrsF82
  • Score: 3

1:13pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

MrsF82 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait.

2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)?

3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation.

4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate.

5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides.

6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail).

7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons.

8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one.

9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority.

What else have you got?
I wonder how many stereotyping comments you can get on one thread?
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait. 2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)? 3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation. 4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate. 5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides. 6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail). 7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons. 8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one. 9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority. What else have you got?[/p][/quote]I wonder how many stereotyping comments you can get on one thread? bogtrotter
  • Score: -8

1:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Celestine71 wrote:
They are not a political group and have no interest in politics, they are a radical fascist group designed to stir people into violence against anyone who is not white British. Anyone who has seen the leaflets handed out to members of the public last weekend and the abuse aimed at taxi drivers will know that. This march is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such. They have no right to be present in this country and nor does ISIS or any other group that supports racism or terrorism. It's disgusting that in 2014 we are still living in a world that promotes violence, egotism and ignorance.......all in the name of religion.
Thank you. Someone with a brain.
[quote][p][bold]Celestine71[/bold] wrote: They are not a political group and have no interest in politics, they are a radical fascist group designed to stir people into violence against anyone who is not white British. Anyone who has seen the leaflets handed out to members of the public last weekend and the abuse aimed at taxi drivers will know that. This march is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such. They have no right to be present in this country and nor does ISIS or any other group that supports racism or terrorism. It's disgusting that in 2014 we are still living in a world that promotes violence, egotism and ignorance.......all in the name of religion.[/p][/quote]Thank you. Someone with a brain. MrsF82
  • Score: -8

1:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

forest-dweller wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
I dont like the EDL and what they stand for.I also think we should all live in Harmony,.
But having said that,The rise of Exstremist Islam .and Sharia law in this country,which would surpress the freedom of Womens writes,and eventually change our culture,is a worry ,and must be addressed ,through the ballot box,other wise I can see trouble coming in the years ahead.
I largely agree. People can dismiss the EDL for who they are, but they need to address why they have sprung up and that just isn't happening. I think most of us can agree that there is a problem of co-existence with the Muslim community and this does need to be addressed. Maybe not in Bournemouth, but pop up to London or go to areas such as Leeds, and you'll see a different picture. So while I find the EDL unattractive, the basis of their message is more worthy and I feel too often it is just brushed aside as being the words of the "Far Right" without any discussion at all. Still, I stick to my previous post in finding it strange they want to come to Bournemouth. May be they feel that they will meet with less opposition and therefore can crow about it being a success.
I disagree, I've lived in poor areas of Manchester, Birmingham and London and have encountered no problems with "co-existence of the Muslim community". The so-called "Muslim ghettos" are few and far between - most happily integrate into our society.

It's like hating all Irish people because of the IRA (or all English people because of the EDL, come to think of it). These few groups of a-holes do not define or represent us, and the lies spread by the Daily Mail et al only exacerbate matters.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: I dont like the EDL and what they stand for.I also think we should all live in Harmony,. But having said that,The rise of Exstremist Islam .and Sharia law in this country,which would surpress the freedom of Womens writes,and eventually change our culture,is a worry ,and must be addressed ,through the ballot box,other wise I can see trouble coming in the years ahead.[/p][/quote]I largely agree. People can dismiss the EDL for who they are, but they need to address why they have sprung up and that just isn't happening. I think most of us can agree that there is a problem of co-existence with the Muslim community and this does need to be addressed. Maybe not in Bournemouth, but pop up to London or go to areas such as Leeds, and you'll see a different picture. So while I find the EDL unattractive, the basis of their message is more worthy and I feel too often it is just brushed aside as being the words of the "Far Right" [sic] without any discussion at all. Still, I stick to my previous post in finding it strange they want to come to Bournemouth. May be they feel that they will meet with less opposition and therefore can crow about it being a success.[/p][/quote]I disagree, I've lived in poor areas of Manchester, Birmingham and London and have encountered no problems with "co-existence of the Muslim community". The so-called "Muslim ghettos" are few and far between - most happily integrate into our society. It's like hating all Irish people because of the IRA (or all English people because of the EDL, come to think of it). These few groups of a-holes do not define or represent us, and the lies spread by the Daily Mail et al only exacerbate matters. MrsF82
  • Score: 13

1:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
It be a holiday weekend, you can be sure these EDL "people" will be in Bournemouth ALL through Monday night. I suspect many of these
"people" are from Leeds!!
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]It be a holiday weekend, you can be sure these EDL "people" will be in Bournemouth ALL through Monday night. I suspect many of these "people" are from Leeds!! twynhamob
  • Score: -2

1:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Hooper123 says...

EDF = a bunch of drunk uneducated thugs. Nothing more, nothing less. Pointless protest about a complex issue they have no understanding of.
EDF = a bunch of drunk uneducated thugs. Nothing more, nothing less. Pointless protest about a complex issue they have no understanding of. Hooper123
  • Score: -10

1:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

MrsF82 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights. bogtrotter
  • Score: -12

1:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

kevinms wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.
Correct, the only religious outlook impossible to prove to be incorrect.
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.[/p][/quote]Correct, the only religious outlook impossible to prove to be incorrect. bogtrotter
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you
Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you gonzo123
  • Score: 2

1:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

kevinms wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.
Actually, no, I am not. I think the Bible is a bunch of nonsense. But despite the fact that you could interpret some of the 'teachings' in the bible as meaning Christians should go out and kill people for certain offences and generally wipe out other religions, I am yet to see any evidence of Christian extremists teaching this to kids in such a manner. You are right - all religions are the main causes of conflict.
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]But ure quite happy 4 chidren 2 b taught the total nonsense that is the bible? I'm an atheist. All religions cause wars, spill blood and so hatred.[/p][/quote]Actually, no, I am not. I think the Bible is a bunch of nonsense. But despite the fact that you could interpret some of the 'teachings' in the bible as meaning Christians should go out and kill people for certain offences and generally wipe out other religions, I am yet to see any evidence of Christian extremists teaching this to kids in such a manner. You are right - all religions are the main causes of conflict. speedy231278
  • Score: 2

1:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

MrsF82 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
I don't read the Daily Mail - ever! And if you think everyone in this country is treated equally then you really are misguided.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.[/p][/quote]I don't read the Daily Mail - ever! And if you think everyone in this country is treated equally then you really are misguided. speedy231278
  • Score: -2

1:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you
Why would they want my shoulders to die?
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you[/p][/quote]Why would they want my shoulders to die? twynhamob
  • Score: 4

1:39pm Wed 20 Aug 14

speedy231278 says...

bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait.

2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)?

3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation.

4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate.

5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides.

6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail).

7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons.

8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one.

9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority.

What else have you got?
I wonder how many stereotyping comments you can get on one thread?
More than the poster has brain cells, by the look of it.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait. 2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)? 3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation. 4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate. 5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides. 6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail). 7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons. 8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one. 9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority. What else have you got?[/p][/quote]I wonder how many stereotyping comments you can get on one thread?[/p][/quote]More than the poster has brain cells, by the look of it. speedy231278
  • Score: -5

1:42pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Remember the guy, sorry, extremist, who burnt the poppies in the town? £50 fine wasn't it? If this march is against acts like that then fair play.
Remember the guy, sorry, extremist, who burnt the poppies in the town? £50 fine wasn't it? If this march is against acts like that then fair play. bogtrotter
  • Score: 17

1:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ECAW99 says...

Amidst all this shouting and name calling about secondary matters, I wonder how much awareness there is of the actual teachings of Islam which cause some of us so much concern. Here is a selection of views from, among others, some of the most authoritative Islamic sources. No doubt people like MrsF82 will not read it, preferring to leave her version of the religion of peace undisturbed, but for those with a more open mind...

http://ecawblog.word
press.com/2014/03/14
/who-says-islam-is-s
upremacist-2/
Amidst all this shouting and name calling about secondary matters, I wonder how much awareness there is of the actual teachings of Islam which cause some of us so much concern. Here is a selection of views from, among others, some of the most authoritative Islamic sources. No doubt people like MrsF82 will not read it, preferring to leave her version of the religion of peace undisturbed, but for those with a more open mind... http://ecawblog.word press.com/2014/03/14 /who-says-islam-is-s upremacist-2/ ECAW99
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!!
"good when it comes to money matters"? Taking away vital funds from the most vulnerable in society and paying a French company who pay no corporation tax here a bigger sum to do it?

Or maybe you mean the way they're sneakily stripping down and selling off our national services piece by piece, which will one day bankrupt this country?

Or perhaps Thatcher's wondering privatisation of energy and transport, and selling off all the council housing so cheaply that we are left with a social housing crisis, and a housing boom and bust?

Or perhaps it's just all that money they give to the companies who sponsor them to fail to provide adequate services? Or the billions on corporation tax we lose because they don't want to **** off their biggest supporters?

Or maybe it's the fact that, despite austerity, we are in more debt than we were before? That austerity hasn't made the blindest bit of difference? That they've borrowed more than the last government?

Or maybe "good with money" means their ability to siphon money out of the country and into their own pockets and those of their friends?

Good with money?! I really needed a laugh, thank you.

Wake up! This government is one-by-one hammering nails into this country's coffin. One day, you'll get sick and need disability benefits but they won't be there. Or you'll need the NHS and it won't be there. We have to start doing something now - first priority, getting this government out, urgently.
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!![/p][/quote]"good when it comes to money matters"? Taking away vital funds from the most vulnerable in society and paying a French company who pay no corporation tax here a bigger sum to do it? Or maybe you mean the way they're sneakily stripping down and selling off our national services piece by piece, which will one day bankrupt this country? Or perhaps Thatcher's wondering privatisation of energy and transport, and selling off all the council housing so cheaply that we are left with a social housing crisis, and a housing boom and bust? Or perhaps it's just all that money they give to the companies who sponsor them to fail to provide adequate services? Or the billions on corporation tax we lose because they don't want to **** off their biggest supporters? Or maybe it's the fact that, despite austerity, we are in more debt than we were before? That austerity hasn't made the blindest bit of difference? That they've borrowed more than the last government? Or maybe "good with money" means their ability to siphon money out of the country and into their own pockets and those of their friends? Good with money?! I really needed a laugh, thank you. Wake up! This government is one-by-one hammering nails into this country's coffin. One day, you'll get sick and need disability benefits but they won't be there. Or you'll need the NHS and it won't be there. We have to start doing something now - first priority, getting this government out, urgently. MrsF82
  • Score: 4

1:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

As a Welshman resident here in Poole for most of my life, I have never felt the need to be defended and I'm puzzled as to why an English minority should feel the need to be defended, maybe that's why there is no Welsh or Scottish Defence Leagues.

A few years ago this bunch of ne'er do wells wanted to do a march in Newport, Gwent, South Wales, the route that was authorised for them took them on a walking tour of Newport, it went up every single very steep hill in the town and came back down the lower gradients, apparently they didn't have much breath left for shouting afterwards.

Now let me see, leaving The Moon in the Square towards the BIC, up Priory Road Hill to Beacon Road .............
As a Welshman resident here in Poole for most of my life, I have never felt the need to be defended and I'm puzzled as to why an English minority should feel the need to be defended, maybe that's why there is no Welsh or Scottish Defence Leagues. A few years ago this bunch of ne'er do wells wanted to do a march in Newport, Gwent, South Wales, the route that was authorised for them took them on a walking tour of Newport, it went up every single very steep hill in the town and came back down the lower gradients, apparently they didn't have much breath left for shouting afterwards. Now let me see, leaving The Moon in the Square towards the BIC, up Priory Road Hill to Beacon Road ............. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 9

1:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dorset69 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........[/p][/quote]It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them Dorset69
  • Score: -2

1:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Dorset69 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........[/p][/quote]It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them Dorset69
  • Score: -5

1:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bozza1 says...

Its okay for the extremists to hand out placards supporting ISIS in our capital city though! Stop **** footing around these terrorists and lock them up .
Its okay for the extremists to hand out placards supporting ISIS in our capital city though! Stop **** footing around these terrorists and lock them up . Bozza1
  • Score: 11

1:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

EDL UKIP
EDL UKIP gonzo123
  • Score: -5

1:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

davidh1975 wrote:
Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.
"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"?

Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes.

Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism,

And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL.

I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL.

This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.[/p][/quote]"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"? Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes. Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism, And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL. I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL. This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes. MrsF82
  • Score: -5

2:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

MrsF82 wrote:
davidh1975 wrote:
Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.
"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"?

Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes.

Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism,

And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL.

I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL.

This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.
Tell that to the people of Woolwich. I'd love to know where you've lived in London, somewhere west I'd assume. Either that or you never went out.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.[/p][/quote]"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"? Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes. Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism, And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL. I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL. This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the people of Woolwich. I'd love to know where you've lived in London, somewhere west I'd assume. Either that or you never went out. bogtrotter
  • Score: 8

2:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

ECAW99 wrote:
So, the EDL are racist are they?

Consider Samantha Lewthwaite the white English jihadi who massacred dozens of people in a shopping mall in Kenya and Ayaan Hirsi Ali the Somalian woman who survived FGM and who, as an apostate, has to live in constant fear of her life and who has warned Europe that it is sleepwalking to its downfall. Which do you think the EDL has a problem with?

At least we were spared the usual "far-right" tag in this article so that's progress at least.

Further details here:

http://ecawblog.word

press.com/2014/05/17

/two-and-a-half-chee

rs-for-the-edl/
You are delusional if you think that the EDL care about anything, especially female victims of FGM or anything else - I've never encountered such rampant misogyny. They're not just racist, but that doesn't mean they're not racist. They are anti-Islam, anti-Muslim, anti-non-white, anti-immigration, anti-women... The only things they are pro is getting drunk and fighting. They are an embarrassment to this country.

No-one supports extremism based on religion or anything else. It is obviously abhorrent. But believing that Muslim extremists are abhorrent is not the same as believing that the EDL are right. If they want to start marching peacefully against ISIS or any other terrorist organisation, without violence or alcohol or inciting violence based on race or religion, then perhaps people would support them. As it is, they're coming to Bournemouth (a place with no issues in this area) for a violent, drunken jolly. Anyone who supports them in this is an idiot.

Their stance on Muslim extremists cannot be separated from their desire to keep Britain British (aka white), their vile racism, their misogyny and their abuse of anything that they deem to be anti-Britain.

Given that overall we are a compassionate country (universal healthcare, support for the most vulnerable in society, a most fair asylum policy, an excellent human rights record, equal opportunities laws for minorities, gay marriage, access to education for all classes etc etc), I would say that the hate-mongering of the EDL is inherently anti-British.
[quote][p][bold]ECAW99[/bold] wrote: So, the EDL are racist are they? Consider Samantha Lewthwaite the white English jihadi who massacred dozens of people in a shopping mall in Kenya and Ayaan Hirsi Ali the Somalian woman who survived FGM and who, as an apostate, has to live in constant fear of her life and who has warned Europe that it is sleepwalking to its downfall. Which do you think the EDL has a problem with? At least we were spared the usual "far-right" tag in this article so that's progress at least. Further details here: http://ecawblog.word press.com/2014/05/17 /two-and-a-half-chee rs-for-the-edl/[/p][/quote]You are delusional if you think that the EDL care about anything, especially female victims of FGM or anything else - I've never encountered such rampant misogyny. They're not just racist, but that doesn't mean they're not racist. They are anti-Islam, anti-Muslim, anti-non-white, anti-immigration, anti-women... The only things they are pro is getting drunk and fighting. They are an embarrassment to this country. No-one supports extremism based on religion or anything else. It is obviously abhorrent. But believing that Muslim extremists are abhorrent is not the same as believing that the EDL are right. If they want to start marching peacefully against ISIS or any other terrorist organisation, without violence or alcohol or inciting violence based on race or religion, then perhaps people would support them. As it is, they're coming to Bournemouth (a place with no issues in this area) for a violent, drunken jolly. Anyone who supports them in this is an idiot. Their stance on Muslim extremists cannot be separated from their desire to keep Britain British (aka white), their vile racism, their misogyny and their abuse of anything that they deem to be anti-Britain. Given that overall we are a compassionate country (universal healthcare, support for the most vulnerable in society, a most fair asylum policy, an excellent human rights record, equal opportunities laws for minorities, gay marriage, access to education for all classes etc etc), I would say that the hate-mongering of the EDL is inherently anti-British. MrsF82
  • Score: -3

2:10pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

dean3020 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.
Again, glad to see some logic around here. It's a scarce commodity.
[quote][p][bold]dean3020[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.[/p][/quote]Again, glad to see some logic around here. It's a scarce commodity. MrsF82
  • Score: 5

2:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

BoscVegas says...

Dorset69 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them
actually Muslims don't agree with Interest based Banking so our banking system would collapse so there would be MORE bank holidays ;). Muslims quite like Jesus so I'm not sure they will mind you popping up your xmas lights.

Also there is no chance this country will ever be governed by Sharia Law so you can stop worrying and go back to scratching your arse.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........[/p][/quote]It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them[/p][/quote]actually Muslims don't agree with Interest based Banking so our banking system would collapse so there would be MORE bank holidays ;). Muslims quite like Jesus so I'm not sure they will mind you popping up your xmas lights. Also there is no chance this country will ever be governed by Sharia Law so you can stop worrying and go back to scratching your arse. BoscVegas
  • Score: 5

2:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now. MrsF82
  • Score: 3

2:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

eaststandman wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
And, as usual, the one thing you haven't mentioned, is the topic.

Which is increasingly, the religion of intolerence and hate. I see they bravely beheaded another journalist today. That's why Islam has no place in a civilized country.
"The religion of intolerance and hate" - sounds like an EDL tagline (I'm sure setting up as a religion could get them some tax breaks - if they ever pay any).

Islam is not a religion of intolerance. Extremists don't represent Islam any more than terrorists in Northern Ireland represent Catholics or Protestants. The whole point of being extremists is that your views differ from the norm. Christianity has been responsible for innumerable atrocities throughout history. Ever been to the catacombs in Rome?

Of course, the truth just spoils your argument. And I did cover the main points, while you just threw a fallacy at me. Grow up.
[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.[/p][/quote]And, as usual, the one thing you haven't mentioned, is the topic. Which is increasingly, the religion of intolerence and hate. I see they bravely beheaded another journalist today. That's why Islam has no place in a civilized country.[/p][/quote]"The religion of intolerance and hate" - sounds like an EDL tagline (I'm sure setting up as a religion could get them some tax breaks - if they ever pay any). Islam is not a religion of intolerance. Extremists don't represent Islam any more than terrorists in Northern Ireland represent Catholics or Protestants. The whole point of being extremists is that your views differ from the norm. Christianity has been responsible for innumerable atrocities throughout history. Ever been to the catacombs in Rome? Of course, the truth just spoils your argument. And I did cover the main points, while you just threw a fallacy at me. Grow up. MrsF82
  • Score: -3

2:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
How can you finish? You wrote '1)' at the start. Surely there has to be a '2)' otherwise the '1)' was pointless?
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]How can you finish? You wrote '1)' at the start. Surely there has to be a '2)' otherwise the '1)' was pointless? bogtrotter
  • Score: -6

2:36pm Wed 20 Aug 14

PokesdownMark says...

Celestine71 wrote:
They are not a political group and have no interest in politics, they are a radical fascist group designed to stir people into violence against anyone who is not white British. Anyone who has seen the leaflets handed out to members of the public last weekend and the abuse aimed at taxi drivers will know that. This march is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such. They have no right to be present in this country and nor does ISIS or any other group that supports racism or terrorism. It's disgusting that in 2014 we are still living in a world that promotes violence, egotism and ignorance.......all in the name of religion.
Wow! Your comment could be directed equally at a March of Islamic extremists with barely changing a single word. That is a thought to ponder.
[quote][p][bold]Celestine71[/bold] wrote: They are not a political group and have no interest in politics, they are a radical fascist group designed to stir people into violence against anyone who is not white British. Anyone who has seen the leaflets handed out to members of the public last weekend and the abuse aimed at taxi drivers will know that. This march is an act of terrorism and should be treated as such. They have no right to be present in this country and nor does ISIS or any other group that supports racism or terrorism. It's disgusting that in 2014 we are still living in a world that promotes violence, egotism and ignorance.......all in the name of religion.[/p][/quote]Wow! Your comment could be directed equally at a March of Islamic extremists with barely changing a single word. That is a thought to ponder. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 11

2:41pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.
Blinkered? Have you honestly not seen the scapegoating of immigrants, the poor, the disabled and benefits claimants by this government and the media? Hate crimes against Muslims, immigrants and the disabled are rising year on year. There would never be another holocaust, I'm talking about motivation here.

I'm saying that, whenever the economy is poor, civil unrest increases and a scapegoat is chosen. The situation with Jewish people in Germany began in precisely the same way - with them being blamed for the state of the county, just as EDL et al are blaming the growing Muslim community. Similar hatred was levelled at the Asian community when they began emigrating to the UK en masses, and the same with the black community. I'm not likening this to the holocaust, I'm saying that the motivation came from the same place. It has been repeated throughout history - prominent outsiders being scapegoated for a country's failings.

The EDL have their priorities all wrong. There are serious problems in this country way beyond - small group of Muslim extremists. But that plays into their bigotries, so that's what they pick.

Let's start with funding for vital organisations and health services and disability benefits being slashed while government money is paid to foreign companies like ATOS (who demonise the disabled in exchange for £350m and then pay no corporation tax)? This is classic misdirection, but sadly these days no-one thinks for themselves or questions what they read on facebook.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.[/p][/quote]Blinkered? Have you honestly not seen the scapegoating of immigrants, the poor, the disabled and benefits claimants by this government and the media? Hate crimes against Muslims, immigrants and the disabled are rising year on year. There would never be another holocaust, I'm talking about motivation here. I'm saying that, whenever the economy is poor, civil unrest increases and a scapegoat is chosen. The situation with Jewish people in Germany began in precisely the same way - with them being blamed for the state of the county, just as EDL et al are blaming the growing Muslim community. Similar hatred was levelled at the Asian community when they began emigrating to the UK en masses, and the same with the black community. I'm not likening this to the holocaust, I'm saying that the motivation came from the same place. It has been repeated throughout history - prominent outsiders being scapegoated for a country's failings. The EDL have their priorities all wrong. There are serious problems in this country way beyond - small group of Muslim extremists. But that plays into their bigotries, so that's what they pick. Let's start with funding for vital organisations and health services and disability benefits being slashed while government money is paid to foreign companies like ATOS (who demonise the disabled in exchange for £350m and then pay no corporation tax)? This is classic misdirection, but sadly these days no-one thinks for themselves or questions what they read on facebook. MrsF82
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
I don't read the Daily Mail - ever! And if you think everyone in this country is treated equally then you really are misguided.
You're right, they're not. Try being a disabled person in this country, too sick to work through no fault of your own and demonised by the media and government.

I'm not saying we are all treated the same - but Brits are not treated worse overall than immigrants. What a ridiculous statement with no basis in fact. Unless you have some proof?

Sorry, but if you spout Daily Mail diatribe, people will think you read it.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.[/p][/quote]I don't read the Daily Mail - ever! And if you think everyone in this country is treated equally then you really are misguided.[/p][/quote]You're right, they're not. Try being a disabled person in this country, too sick to work through no fault of your own and demonised by the media and government. I'm not saying we are all treated the same - but Brits are not treated worse overall than immigrants. What a ridiculous statement with no basis in fact. Unless you have some proof? Sorry, but if you spout Daily Mail diatribe, people will think you read it. MrsF82
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Orwell's Ghost says...

kevinms wrote:
Orwells ghost. Try reading the bible. I'm an atheist. All religions promote hate and bigotry. Ure a typical right winger. Every 1 who disagrees with u is a Marxist. He was right about religion. The EDL is racist. U dont know much about Marx. Only his name.
All religions? Zen Buddhism? Jainism? I'm an atheist too btw and the day Christians behead people in the street or blow up tube trains I shall condemn that too, in the meantime I shall stick to condemning the present evil. Did you read the news headline today? As for racism, I have a non-white wife and mixed race children, so how to you explain that? As for right winger, since when did supporting anti-sexism, LGBT rights and the rights of Jewish people to have a homeland become right wing?
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: Orwells ghost. Try reading the bible. I'm an atheist. All religions promote hate and bigotry. Ure a typical right winger. Every 1 who disagrees with u is a Marxist. He was right about religion. The EDL is racist. U dont know much about Marx. Only his name.[/p][/quote]All religions? Zen Buddhism? Jainism? I'm an atheist too btw and the day Christians behead people in the street or blow up tube trains I shall condemn that too, in the meantime I shall stick to condemning the present evil. Did you read the news headline today? As for racism, I have a non-white wife and mixed race children, so how to you explain that? As for right winger, since when did supporting anti-sexism, LGBT rights and the rights of Jewish people to have a homeland become right wing? Orwell's Ghost
  • Score: 7

2:45pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you
Moron. Who said that? It's not one or the other. We want neither. And since there are no Muslim extremists marching on Bournemouth EVER, we have to complain about the EDL instead.
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you[/p][/quote]Moron. Who said that? It's not one or the other. We want neither. And since there are no Muslim extremists marching on Bournemouth EVER, we have to complain about the EDL instead. MrsF82
  • Score: 3

2:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

I was at the Brighton one earlier this year. About 200 EDL in their march inc women and children who they use as shields in effect. 5000 antis trying to get to them and 700 police inc. the Met to separate them. In fact the police 'kettled' EDL with a defensive moving cordon to stop them being ripped apart. Approx 30 arrests, a policewoman was injured. There was not much violence around the march itself but lots in the side streets. So if the numbers are around the same expect quite a lot of trouble , esp if Dorset police don't put out enough officers. Also the trouble is normally before and after the march as small groups make their way to and from it and get ambushed by their opposite faction. In Brighton they also close roads with huge steel barriers to seal off the narrow streets, Bournemouth Gardens and town centre are so wide open, it would be difficult to stop protesters swarming all over the town centre at will. Having said all that, hope it's all a damp squib as it could affect a lot of families trying to have a nice peaceful day out.
I was at the Brighton one earlier this year. About 200 EDL in their march inc women and children who they use as shields in effect. 5000 antis trying to get to them and 700 police inc. the Met to separate them. In fact the police 'kettled' EDL with a defensive moving cordon to stop them being ripped apart. Approx 30 arrests, a policewoman was injured. There was not much violence around the march itself but lots in the side streets. So if the numbers are around the same expect quite a lot of trouble , esp if Dorset police don't put out enough officers. Also the trouble is normally before and after the march as small groups make their way to and from it and get ambushed by their opposite faction. In Brighton they also close roads with huge steel barriers to seal off the narrow streets, Bournemouth Gardens and town centre are so wide open, it would be difficult to stop protesters swarming all over the town centre at will. Having said all that, hope it's all a damp squib as it could affect a lot of families trying to have a nice peaceful day out. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 2

2:47pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Argie Bhagie says...

forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
There is a growing and significant number of Reverts who are white and newly adopted Islam. Most prevalent amongst Reverts are women, which is interesting given the diatribes about how Islam discriminates.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]There is a growing and significant number of Reverts who are white and newly adopted Islam. Most prevalent amongst Reverts are women, which is interesting given the diatribes about how Islam discriminates. Argie Bhagie
  • Score: 6

2:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait.

2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)?

3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation.

4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate.

5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides.

6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail).

7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons.

8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one.

9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority.

What else have you got?
I wonder how many stereotyping comments you can get on one thread?
More than the poster has brain cells, by the look of it.
That's right - you can't argue with my points, so you have to attack me personally. The ultimate sign of a list argument.

And don't talk to me about stereotypical comments when I'm arguing against "wot, u prefer Muslims shouting death to the west?" comments with actual valid points.

Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]1) Please tell me when the last Muslim extremist march happened in Bournemouth? No really, I'll wait. 2) Why would any group organise an anti-Islam March in Bournemouth (besides a jolly by the sea)? 3) The counter-protest has nothing to do with Islam - it's about people of all cultures standing up against a racist, terrorist organisation. 4) The police will be filming the EDL BECAUSE they are a racist extremist group who will be breaking laws by inciting racial and religiously motivated violence. Should the counter protesters do the same (despite is being the OPPOSITE of the point of the protest), they too would be filmed and arrested where appropriate. 5) Stop suggesting that those who are against EDL are in support of Muslim extremists. That is not the case. They are against hate groups, on all sides. 6) The EDL and BF myth that they are targeted by police while extremist Muslim marches are not is a total fallacy, perpetuated by racist morons without any brain cells (and their fountainhead, the Daily Mail). 7) You can't say you're only against Muslim extremists AND that you're marching against Islam. These people are class A morons. 8) They say everyone is welcome if they're open minded. If I see anyone that isn't a fat, white football hooligan or a neo-nazi (oh, and their stupid girlfriends and wives who believe anything their partners say because they only go for women who can't think for themselves), I'll give you a quid for every single one. 9) Actually, pretty much every single Muslim extremist march is protested by Muslims who are peaceful and hate the extremists just as much as I hate the EDL. No-one likes being given a bad name by an idiotic minority. What else have you got?[/p][/quote]I wonder how many stereotyping comments you can get on one thread?[/p][/quote]More than the poster has brain cells, by the look of it.[/p][/quote]That's right - you can't argue with my points, so you have to attack me personally. The ultimate sign of a list argument. And don't talk to me about stereotypical comments when I'm arguing against "wot, u prefer Muslims shouting death to the west?" comments with actual valid points. Pathetic. MrsF82
  • Score: -2

2:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

MrsF82 wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.
Blinkered? Have you honestly not seen the scapegoating of immigrants, the poor, the disabled and benefits claimants by this government and the media? Hate crimes against Muslims, immigrants and the disabled are rising year on year. There would never be another holocaust, I'm talking about motivation here.

I'm saying that, whenever the economy is poor, civil unrest increases and a scapegoat is chosen. The situation with Jewish people in Germany began in precisely the same way - with them being blamed for the state of the county, just as EDL et al are blaming the growing Muslim community. Similar hatred was levelled at the Asian community when they began emigrating to the UK en masses, and the same with the black community. I'm not likening this to the holocaust, I'm saying that the motivation came from the same place. It has been repeated throughout history - prominent outsiders being scapegoated for a country's failings.

The EDL have their priorities all wrong. There are serious problems in this country way beyond - small group of Muslim extremists. But that plays into their bigotries, so that's what they pick.

Let's start with funding for vital organisations and health services and disability benefits being slashed while government money is paid to foreign companies like ATOS (who demonise the disabled in exchange for £350m and then pay no corporation tax)? This is classic misdirection, but sadly these days no-one thinks for themselves or questions what they read on facebook.
You want to talk fact here, right? You are talking about people stereotyping and scapegoating here... Firstly, let me point I have no allegiance to the EDL. However, reading the article (which is what all my comments are based on), everything you write is stereotyping EDL members. If you take the article on its word, then this march is for ANYONE against things such as a soldier being beheaded in broad daylight in the middle of a road or perhaps the man who burnt poppies in the middle of Bmouth. You are merely writing your opinion which is ultra-stereotypical and of course, hypocritical at the same time.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.[/p][/quote]Blinkered? Have you honestly not seen the scapegoating of immigrants, the poor, the disabled and benefits claimants by this government and the media? Hate crimes against Muslims, immigrants and the disabled are rising year on year. There would never be another holocaust, I'm talking about motivation here. I'm saying that, whenever the economy is poor, civil unrest increases and a scapegoat is chosen. The situation with Jewish people in Germany began in precisely the same way - with them being blamed for the state of the county, just as EDL et al are blaming the growing Muslim community. Similar hatred was levelled at the Asian community when they began emigrating to the UK en masses, and the same with the black community. I'm not likening this to the holocaust, I'm saying that the motivation came from the same place. It has been repeated throughout history - prominent outsiders being scapegoated for a country's failings. The EDL have their priorities all wrong. There are serious problems in this country way beyond - small group of Muslim extremists. But that plays into their bigotries, so that's what they pick. Let's start with funding for vital organisations and health services and disability benefits being slashed while government money is paid to foreign companies like ATOS (who demonise the disabled in exchange for £350m and then pay no corporation tax)? This is classic misdirection, but sadly these days no-one thinks for themselves or questions what they read on facebook.[/p][/quote]You want to talk fact here, right? You are talking about people stereotyping and scapegoating here... Firstly, let me point I have no allegiance to the EDL. However, reading the article (which is what all my comments are based on), everything you write is stereotyping EDL members. If you take the article on its word, then this march is for ANYONE against things such as a soldier being beheaded in broad daylight in the middle of a road or perhaps the man who burnt poppies in the middle of Bmouth. You are merely writing your opinion which is ultra-stereotypical and of course, hypocritical at the same time. bogtrotter
  • Score: 5

2:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Argie Bhagie says...

BournemouthGuy wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff.

If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either.

I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace.

I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?
What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?"

are you anti gay?
Islam has clear policies

alcohol - bad
women dressing immodestly - bad
homosexual acts - bad
noisy debauchery - bad
anti social behaviour - bad
thuggish loutish behaviour - bad

No doubt the EDL supporters will be having a gay old time in the Triangle, after downing an inordinate number of pints and catching anti-social diseases in Derby Road.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff. If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either. I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace. I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?[/p][/quote]What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?" are you anti gay?[/p][/quote]Islam has clear policies alcohol - bad women dressing immodestly - bad homosexual acts - bad noisy debauchery - bad anti social behaviour - bad thuggish loutish behaviour - bad No doubt the EDL supporters will be having a gay old time in the Triangle, after downing an inordinate number of pints and catching anti-social diseases in Derby Road. Argie Bhagie
  • Score: -8

2:55pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ASM says...

OMG expect every racist sh it bag to be outside the moon in the square at half twelve looking for a fight . I thought it was against the law to incite a riot, so how is organizing this legal? Also it's disgusting of the echo to publicize this distasteful event
OMG expect every racist sh it bag to be outside the moon in the square at half twelve looking for a fight . I thought it was against the law to incite a riot, so how is organizing this legal? Also it's disgusting of the echo to publicize this distasteful event ASM
  • Score: -4

2:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

ECAW99 wrote:
Amidst all this shouting and name calling about secondary matters, I wonder how much awareness there is of the actual teachings of Islam which cause some of us so much concern. Here is a selection of views from, among others, some of the most authoritative Islamic sources. No doubt people like MrsF82 will not read it, preferring to leave her version of the religion of peace undisturbed, but for those with a more open mind...

http://ecawblog.word

press.com/2014/03/14

/who-says-islam-is-s

upremacist-2/
Hilarious. I actually studied Islam as part of my degree, and have read the Qur'an so I'm pretty sure I know more about the reality of it than you do - and certainly more than any biased website you care to throw at me. I'm not some wishy-washy optimist talking about world peace like it will ever happen, I actually know what I'm talking about.

At no point have I said that extremists are not a concern. Just because I think the EDL are vile, hateful scum, that doesn't make me a sympathiser. That's simply nonsense spouted by them so that the weak-minded and general stupid fall in line, of which I am neither.

Given the general levels of English within the pro-EDL comments versus the anti-EDL comments (the more aggressive their beliefs, the more extreme their grasp of English, or lack of it), I think it's clear to see where intelligent, educated people stand. How amusing that the EDL claim they want to protect all things English and not a single one can write a grammatically correct sentence. But I digress...
[quote][p][bold]ECAW99[/bold] wrote: Amidst all this shouting and name calling about secondary matters, I wonder how much awareness there is of the actual teachings of Islam which cause some of us so much concern. Here is a selection of views from, among others, some of the most authoritative Islamic sources. No doubt people like MrsF82 will not read it, preferring to leave her version of the religion of peace undisturbed, but for those with a more open mind... http://ecawblog.word press.com/2014/03/14 /who-says-islam-is-s upremacist-2/[/p][/quote]Hilarious. I actually studied Islam as part of my degree, and have read the Qur'an so I'm pretty sure I know more about the reality of it than you do - and certainly more than any biased website you care to throw at me. I'm not some wishy-washy optimist talking about world peace like it will ever happen, I actually know what I'm talking about. At no point have I said that extremists are not a concern. Just because I think the EDL are vile, hateful scum, that doesn't make me a sympathiser. That's simply nonsense spouted by them so that the weak-minded and general stupid fall in line, of which I am neither. Given the general levels of English within the pro-EDL comments versus the anti-EDL comments (the more aggressive their beliefs, the more extreme their grasp of English, or lack of it), I think it's clear to see where intelligent, educated people stand. How amusing that the EDL claim they want to protect all things English and not a single one can write a grammatically correct sentence. But I digress... MrsF82
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ASM says...

also noticed the EDL scumbags are working overtime with the thumbsdowns, stop it scum bags, we are not as dumb as you, 1 thumbs down per person please
also noticed the EDL scumbags are working overtime with the thumbsdowns, stop it scum bags, we are not as dumb as you, 1 thumbs down per person please ASM
  • Score: -11

3:03pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

Dorset69 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them
Please, please tell me of one religious group that has ever campaigned to abolish a bank holiday because it's against their religion? No, really. Just one. That has NEVER happened. Some religions will ask for other days to be recognised by their employer, but never by the country as a whole - and NEVER have they tried to have bank holidays done away with. Why would they? I guess these "parasites" just don't like having a day off?

Honestly. You are too stupid for words. "Parasites"? You, managing to get by with less than a quarter of a brain (by the looks of it) by feeding off the collective intelligence of everyone else to survive - sounds like you're the parasite.

Honestly. I try to refrain from insulting strangers on the internet - I don't know you after all - but that has to be the most staggeringly stupid, ridiculous, bigoted comment I've seen all day (and you're in good company!).
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........[/p][/quote]It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them[/p][/quote]Please, please tell me of one religious group that has ever campaigned to abolish a bank holiday because it's against their religion? No, really. Just one. That has NEVER happened. Some religions will ask for other days to be recognised by their employer, but never by the country as a whole - and NEVER have they tried to have bank holidays done away with. Why would they? I guess these "parasites" just don't like having a day off? Honestly. You are too stupid for words. "Parasites"? You, managing to get by with less than a quarter of a brain (by the looks of it) by feeding off the collective intelligence of everyone else to survive - sounds like you're the parasite. Honestly. I try to refrain from insulting strangers on the internet - I don't know you after all - but that has to be the most staggeringly stupid, ridiculous, bigoted comment I've seen all day (and you're in good company!). MrsF82
  • Score: 7

3:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
davidh1975 wrote:
Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.
"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"?

Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes.

Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism,

And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL.

I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL.

This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.
Tell that to the people of Woolwich. I'd love to know where you've lived in London, somewhere west I'd assume. Either that or you never went out.
I went out a lot. And worked with charities engaging with communities. And I never once lived in West London, I lived in North and east London on various places. Yes, a building I lived in was set fire too once - by a white kid. I saw a few burglaries, mainly white kids too, although not exclusively. I encountered a few stabbing victims, victims and perpetrators from every race and religion. Most of the marches I encountered were by EDL types, too.

I also lived in Salford for many years, in some pretty rough areas.

This is another reason why I find the EDL coming to Bournemouth so hilarious, and proof that they just want a jolly.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.[/p][/quote]"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"? Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes. Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism, And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL. I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL. This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the people of Woolwich. I'd love to know where you've lived in London, somewhere west I'd assume. Either that or you never went out.[/p][/quote]I went out a lot. And worked with charities engaging with communities. And I never once lived in West London, I lived in North and east London on various places. Yes, a building I lived in was set fire too once - by a white kid. I saw a few burglaries, mainly white kids too, although not exclusively. I encountered a few stabbing victims, victims and perpetrators from every race and religion. Most of the marches I encountered were by EDL types, too. I also lived in Salford for many years, in some pretty rough areas. This is another reason why I find the EDL coming to Bournemouth so hilarious, and proof that they just want a jolly. MrsF82
  • Score: -5

3:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
How can you finish? You wrote '1)' at the start. Surely there has to be a '2)' otherwise the '1)' was pointless?
I do apologise, I am using my phone and it dislikes whatever platform this site is using. 2) should have been where I said "also", clearly when trying to force paragraphs into the post (which did not work), I selected and deleted it.

Still, it's nice to see that your biggest issue with my argument is "there's no 2)". I do enjoy a good bit of pedantry.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]How can you finish? You wrote '1)' at the start. Surely there has to be a '2)' otherwise the '1)' was pointless?[/p][/quote]I do apologise, I am using my phone and it dislikes whatever platform this site is using. 2) should have been where I said "also", clearly when trying to force paragraphs into the post (which did not work), I selected and deleted it. Still, it's nice to see that your biggest issue with my argument is "there's no 2)". I do enjoy a good bit of pedantry. MrsF82
  • Score: 1

3:20pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

MrsF82 wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
davidh1975 wrote:
Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.
"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"?

Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes.

Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism,

And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL.

I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL.

This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.
Tell that to the people of Woolwich. I'd love to know where you've lived in London, somewhere west I'd assume. Either that or you never went out.
I went out a lot. And worked with charities engaging with communities. And I never once lived in West London, I lived in North and east London on various places. Yes, a building I lived in was set fire too once - by a white kid. I saw a few burglaries, mainly white kids too, although not exclusively. I encountered a few stabbing victims, victims and perpetrators from every race and religion. Most of the marches I encountered were by EDL types, too.

I also lived in Salford for many years, in some pretty rough areas.

This is another reason why I find the EDL coming to Bournemouth so hilarious, and proof that they just want a jolly.
I like the fact you dropped charity work in, well done on that. You seem more desperate for 'likes' than a Labour MP. Also, 'EDL types'.... That's stereotyping. Good effort, again. I won't begin pedantry on that post as I don't have the time.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]You are deluded........ You call EDL racist and fascist when they have many people from different ethnic backgrounds in their ranks. Why is it left wing loonies always comment on what you think EDL stands against rather than what they clearly state they stand against. Sounds like lies and slander against the EDL to me. You should be ashamed of yourself. This has NOTHING to do with religion. If people like you continue to disregard the threat to our culture and way of life from Muslims who refuse or cant embrace British values and our way of life then you are part of the problem. Honour violence, FGM, hate preachers, Muslim grooming gangs, oppression of women, uncontrolled immigration, abuse of our troops, child marriage, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, political islam etc etc the list goes on. It's not just violent jihad that's the problem is it? The fact is for every hard working decent Muslim family that has embraced British life there are others who would choose a different path. Ignoring them and their issues just so as not to offend the whole makes us responsible for our own eventual demise.[/p][/quote]"This has nothing to do with religion"? So why are they calling it a march "against the islamisation of Britain"? Islam is a religion. This is an extremist group full of racists, bigots and football hooligans. Open your eyes. Please tell me how Muslims are a threat to our culture? Over the years we've had large numbers of immigrants from different areas, and our culture has survived just fine. Stop listening to the sensationalism, And if you live in Bournemouth, you're basing your appraisal of the threat based on what you've read in the Daily Mail and been told by groups like the EDL. I've lived in the three largest cities in this country and have seen no evidence of "Islamisation" or any threat to our culture whatsoever. Most immigrants integrate into society as contribute positively to it. There's the odd ghetto and the off cast extremist group - a bit like we are all normal except for the EDL. This is a manufactured threat, conceived to distract us from the real threat: a corrupt government dismantling our country for financial gain. Open your eyes.[/p][/quote]Tell that to the people of Woolwich. I'd love to know where you've lived in London, somewhere west I'd assume. Either that or you never went out.[/p][/quote]I went out a lot. And worked with charities engaging with communities. And I never once lived in West London, I lived in North and east London on various places. Yes, a building I lived in was set fire too once - by a white kid. I saw a few burglaries, mainly white kids too, although not exclusively. I encountered a few stabbing victims, victims and perpetrators from every race and religion. Most of the marches I encountered were by EDL types, too. I also lived in Salford for many years, in some pretty rough areas. This is another reason why I find the EDL coming to Bournemouth so hilarious, and proof that they just want a jolly.[/p][/quote]I like the fact you dropped charity work in, well done on that. You seem more desperate for 'likes' than a Labour MP. Also, 'EDL types'.... That's stereotyping. Good effort, again. I won't begin pedantry on that post as I don't have the time. bogtrotter
  • Score: 1

3:32pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

Dorset69 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them
Hilarious pea-brain sized comment. Don't know where to start.....

1) It was Christians that "hijacked" the xmas holiday from the pagans in the first place eg trees etc

2) Jesus is considered to be a "messenger of god" by muslims, so the celebration of his birth is not a big issue for muslims even if some muslims focus on the secular side of things.

3) Most Islamic countries happen to have MANY MORE PUBLIC holidays than the UK. For example Pakistan has 16 in 2014 including wait for it, Christmas Day and "Boxing" Day!!!!

4) Sharia law has been around for 1500 years and basically after all these years it is still only really the state law in and around the countries where islam developed in the first place with perhaps the exception of a couple of lawless African states such as Yemen or Somalia where to be frank they could do with ANY law rather than anarchy.

5) Finally when it comes to banning Christmas - it has already happened in England. Imposed by the father of our modern democracy, Oliver Cromwell who banned Xmas due to its pagan and frivolous aspects.
[quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........[/p][/quote]It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them[/p][/quote]Hilarious pea-brain sized comment. Don't know where to start..... 1) It was Christians that "hijacked" the xmas holiday from the pagans in the first place eg trees etc 2) Jesus is considered to be a "messenger of god" by muslims, so the celebration of his birth is not a big issue for muslims even if some muslims focus on the secular side of things. 3) Most Islamic countries happen to have MANY MORE PUBLIC holidays than the UK. For example Pakistan has 16 in 2014 including wait for it, Christmas Day and "Boxing" Day!!!! 4) Sharia law has been around for 1500 years and basically after all these years it is still only really the state law in and around the countries where islam developed in the first place with perhaps the exception of a couple of lawless African states such as Yemen or Somalia where to be frank they could do with ANY law rather than anarchy. 5) Finally when it comes to banning Christmas - it has already happened in England. Imposed by the father of our modern democracy, Oliver Cromwell who banned Xmas due to its pagan and frivolous aspects. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

twynhamob says...

Bogtrotter and the lady F82, I presume that 1982 was the last time you got F***** can you please exchange email and get off of here. You are both idiots... Please just agree with each other as you have both contradicted yourselves, if you just agree then that way you can both be wrong.
Bogtrotter and the lady F82, I presume that 1982 was the last time you got F***** can you please exchange email and get off of here. You are both idiots... Please just agree with each other as you have both contradicted yourselves, if you just agree then that way you can both be wrong. twynhamob
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrsF82 says...

bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch!

I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.
British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots.

I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly.

I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway!

We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them.

Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time.

Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.
That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.
Blinkered? Have you honestly not seen the scapegoating of immigrants, the poor, the disabled and benefits claimants by this government and the media? Hate crimes against Muslims, immigrants and the disabled are rising year on year. There would never be another holocaust, I'm talking about motivation here.

I'm saying that, whenever the economy is poor, civil unrest increases and a scapegoat is chosen. The situation with Jewish people in Germany began in precisely the same way - with them being blamed for the state of the county, just as EDL et al are blaming the growing Muslim community. Similar hatred was levelled at the Asian community when they began emigrating to the UK en masses, and the same with the black community. I'm not likening this to the holocaust, I'm saying that the motivation came from the same place. It has been repeated throughout history - prominent outsiders being scapegoated for a country's failings.

The EDL have their priorities all wrong. There are serious problems in this country way beyond - small group of Muslim extremists. But that plays into their bigotries, so that's what they pick.

Let's start with funding for vital organisations and health services and disability benefits being slashed while government money is paid to foreign companies like ATOS (who demonise the disabled in exchange for £350m and then pay no corporation tax)? This is classic misdirection, but sadly these days no-one thinks for themselves or questions what they read on facebook.
You want to talk fact here, right? You are talking about people stereotyping and scapegoating here... Firstly, let me point I have no allegiance to the EDL. However, reading the article (which is what all my comments are based on), everything you write is stereotyping EDL members. If you take the article on its word, then this march is for ANYONE against things such as a soldier being beheaded in broad daylight in the middle of a road or perhaps the man who burnt poppies in the middle of Bmouth. You are merely writing your opinion which is ultra-stereotypical and of course, hypocritical at the same time.
Stereotyping? You mean the way they stereotype and demonise immigrants and Muslims in general?

Actually, my opinion of the EDL is based on actual experience of them and their diatribe - not wild stabs in the dark that I've formulated after reading the Guardian. I know several people who have been members of the EDL in the past believing, like you, that this is a group for anyone who is against extremism. That is patently not the case, in any sense. The truth is, the only reason they even slightly care about people being beheaded is that it drives more people to their cause. Just as many football hooligans couldn't give a toss about football, many EDL members couldn't care less about Muslim extremism - and when they do, it's because that activity enables them to recruit more, march more and get more press.

You say "if this article is to be believed" - well, it isn't. An EDL press release reworded and then reproduced in full isn't to be believed. Did you see the few documentaries about them earlier this year? Trying to claim their inclusivity and lack of racism, while unseen cameras and mics picked up the reality.

Fundamentally, they are racist thugs, hiding behind patriotism so that unsuspecting patriots and other bigots defend them. That's not generalising, stereotyping or scapegoating.

I would get my friends over here to comment for themselves, but unsurprisingly they are extremely scared about speaking out about the realities of this group, and I can't say I blame them.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Only in this pathetically PC country can it be considered racist to be patriotic and believe that maybe the people born in this country ought to be considered as equal to those who were not. The caravan club can ignore our rules with impunity and the police don't care, we often see stories about people with Union flags and St George crosses told to take them down for fear of 'intimidating' other people, and there are schools in the Midlands and elsewhere teaching young children that the Western way of life is evil and ought to be destroyed. Yet, it is people who stand together to support their beliefs on the way in which the country they were born in who are the ones who are racist and out of touch! I am not a supporter of the EDL in any way whatsoever, but I support their right to freedom of speech. If the authorities are going to all but turn a blind eye to people using Dorset as their personal caravanning site, to people marching in the street burning poppies and declaring death to all British soldiers, then it is simply gross hypocrisy to condemn and persecute the actions of a group of natives who are basically doing the same thing.[/p][/quote]British people ARE treated as equal to those who were born elsewhere. If you don't believe that, you've been reading too much of the Daily Mail. This argument that we've become second class citizens would be laughable if it weren't accepted as fact by so many idiots. I wouldn't want to be an immigrant or a Muslim in this country. Do you have any idea the abuse they face (and you think we are treated badly!)? Yet still they come, work hard, contribute to our economy and respect the opportunities they get here. Are there a tiny percentage who abuse it? Probably. Is there a larger percentage of Britons who abuse the system in this country? Undoubtedly. I respect anyone's right to protest peacefully and to free speech. Anyone. However, EDL never protest peacefully, and they don't say anything besides a racist and anti-Islam diatribe that incites violence and therefore breaks the law. Also, what situation in Bournemouth are they coming to protest? There's nothing to protest against here, not anything that's on their racist radar anyway! We basically won the lottery by being born here - if people are being persecuted elsewhere or want to come here and work hard to make a life for themselves, why shouldn't they be allowed? There are plenty of feckless, lazy Brits I wish I could deport but there's nowhere to send them. Every time there's a recession, intolerance increases and a scapegoat is found - it happens repeatedly throughout history. In Germany last century, it was the Jews. In Thatcher's time it was the growing Asian community. Now, it's the Muslims. When will people learn that the problem isn't immigrants or Muslims or gypsies or anything else. It's the corrupt, corporates-sponsored government who are attacking the most vulnerable in society and dismantling public services while the public are distracted by the "looming threat" is "Islamisation". It's the oldest kind of misdirection and yet people fall for it every time. Please, if you have a brain, actually use it. If not, please sit at the back quietly and stop bothering the grown ups.[/p][/quote]That has to be the most blinkered post in history. Comparing Hitler and the Jews to this is quite frankly embarrassing. What have the government got to do with it? Stereotypical attitudes are most often inbred and filter down generations. If this is genuinely against extremism and they have said they welcome all religions, colours and creeds then let's see if that's the case. If not, they're banged to rights.[/p][/quote]Blinkered? Have you honestly not seen the scapegoating of immigrants, the poor, the disabled and benefits claimants by this government and the media? Hate crimes against Muslims, immigrants and the disabled are rising year on year. There would never be another holocaust, I'm talking about motivation here. I'm saying that, whenever the economy is poor, civil unrest increases and a scapegoat is chosen. The situation with Jewish people in Germany began in precisely the same way - with them being blamed for the state of the county, just as EDL et al are blaming the growing Muslim community. Similar hatred was levelled at the Asian community when they began emigrating to the UK en masses, and the same with the black community. I'm not likening this to the holocaust, I'm saying that the motivation came from the same place. It has been repeated throughout history - prominent outsiders being scapegoated for a country's failings. The EDL have their priorities all wrong. There are serious problems in this country way beyond - small group of Muslim extremists. But that plays into their bigotries, so that's what they pick. Let's start with funding for vital organisations and health services and disability benefits being slashed while government money is paid to foreign companies like ATOS (who demonise the disabled in exchange for £350m and then pay no corporation tax)? This is classic misdirection, but sadly these days no-one thinks for themselves or questions what they read on facebook.[/p][/quote]You want to talk fact here, right? You are talking about people stereotyping and scapegoating here... Firstly, let me point I have no allegiance to the EDL. However, reading the article (which is what all my comments are based on), everything you write is stereotyping EDL members. If you take the article on its word, then this march is for ANYONE against things such as a soldier being beheaded in broad daylight in the middle of a road or perhaps the man who burnt poppies in the middle of Bmouth. You are merely writing your opinion which is ultra-stereotypical and of course, hypocritical at the same time.[/p][/quote]Stereotyping? You mean the way they stereotype and demonise immigrants and Muslims in general? Actually, my opinion of the EDL is based on actual experience of them and their diatribe - not wild stabs in the dark that I've formulated after reading the Guardian. I know several people who have been members of the EDL in the past believing, like you, that this is a group for anyone who is against extremism. That is patently not the case, in any sense. The truth is, the only reason they even slightly care about people being beheaded is that it drives more people to their cause. Just as many football hooligans couldn't give a toss about football, many EDL members couldn't care less about Muslim extremism - and when they do, it's because that activity enables them to recruit more, march more and get more press. You say "if this article is to be believed" - well, it isn't. An EDL press release reworded and then reproduced in full isn't to be believed. Did you see the few documentaries about them earlier this year? Trying to claim their inclusivity and lack of racism, while unseen cameras and mics picked up the reality. Fundamentally, they are racist thugs, hiding behind patriotism so that unsuspecting patriots and other bigots defend them. That's not generalising, stereotyping or scapegoating. I would get my friends over here to comment for themselves, but unsurprisingly they are extremely scared about speaking out about the realities of this group, and I can't say I blame them. MrsF82
  • Score: -3

3:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law.

HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything.

I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........
It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them
Hilarious pea-brain sized comment. Don't know where to start.....

1) It was Christians that "hijacked" the xmas holiday from the pagans in the first place eg trees etc

2) Jesus is considered to be a "messenger of god" by muslims, so the celebration of his birth is not a big issue for muslims even if some muslims focus on the secular side of things.

3) Most Islamic countries happen to have MANY MORE PUBLIC holidays than the UK. For example Pakistan has 16 in 2014 including wait for it, Christmas Day and "Boxing" Day!!!!

4) Sharia law has been around for 1500 years and basically after all these years it is still only really the state law in and around the countries where islam developed in the first place with perhaps the exception of a couple of lawless African states such as Yemen or Somalia where to be frank they could do with ANY law rather than anarchy.

5) Finally when it comes to banning Christmas - it has already happened in England. Imposed by the father of our modern democracy, Oliver Cromwell who banned Xmas due to its pagan and frivolous aspects.
I think that debate is more about the world going PC mad rather than religious awareness. I have witnessed someone say they were offended on a work email wishing people 'Happy Holidays' (as Happy Xmas wasn't allowed) because Santa was white. That is quite clearly PC madness.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I support the right of free speech to both the EDL march and the counter-march as long as both sides stay within the law. HOWEVER its not really what Bournemouth needs economically on its crucial bank holiday weekend is it! More like a fun-away day by the sea for EDL members as last time I looked Bournemouth is not exactly a hotspot for islamification or indeed anything. I can only presume that it is an easier sell to members to say "come to Bournemouth this weekend" rather than Bradford.........[/p][/quote]It wont be long before this country has bank holidays abolished because of these parasites saying its against there religions like the merry xmas and xmas light fiascos some councils have let happen so make the most of them[/p][/quote]Hilarious pea-brain sized comment. Don't know where to start..... 1) It was Christians that "hijacked" the xmas holiday from the pagans in the first place eg trees etc 2) Jesus is considered to be a "messenger of god" by muslims, so the celebration of his birth is not a big issue for muslims even if some muslims focus on the secular side of things. 3) Most Islamic countries happen to have MANY MORE PUBLIC holidays than the UK. For example Pakistan has 16 in 2014 including wait for it, Christmas Day and "Boxing" Day!!!! 4) Sharia law has been around for 1500 years and basically after all these years it is still only really the state law in and around the countries where islam developed in the first place with perhaps the exception of a couple of lawless African states such as Yemen or Somalia where to be frank they could do with ANY law rather than anarchy. 5) Finally when it comes to banning Christmas - it has already happened in England. Imposed by the father of our modern democracy, Oliver Cromwell who banned Xmas due to its pagan and frivolous aspects.[/p][/quote]I think that debate is more about the world going PC mad rather than religious awareness. I have witnessed someone say they were offended on a work email wishing people 'Happy Holidays' (as Happy Xmas wasn't allowed) because Santa was white. That is quite clearly PC madness. bogtrotter
  • Score: -4

4:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...

Seek the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free:

http://TheGreatestSt
oryNeverTold.tv

And there you have it ladies and gentilemen, everything now makes perfect sense :)
Seek the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free: http://TheGreatestSt oryNeverTold.tv And there you have it ladies and gentilemen, everything now makes perfect sense :) Bournesouthmouth Downpokes
  • Score: -2

4:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
Would the EDL be for or against Scottish independence? I'd be interested to know there position in theory they should want Scotland kicked out as they aren't English.
Yawn. EDL have no position on that. EDL are not a nationalist group. They are a patriot group. If you don't know the difference look it up. Scottish independence is purely a matter of self determination for the people of Scotland to decide.
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: Would the EDL be for or against Scottish independence? I'd be interested to know there position in theory they should want Scotland kicked out as they aren't English.[/p][/quote]Yawn. EDL have no position on that. EDL are not a nationalist group. They are a patriot group. If you don't know the difference look it up. Scottish independence is purely a matter of self determination for the people of Scotland to decide. davidh1975
  • Score: 4

4:15pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
your ignorance is blinding. The EDL also believe in equality. aren't you sweet, believing everything the media tells you........
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]your ignorance is blinding. The EDL also believe in equality. aren't you sweet, believing everything the media tells you........ davidh1975
  • Score: -3

4:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
Wow..... observe the world around you. Look at what is and has happened to countries where mass immigration from muslim countries has taken place. It never ends well.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]Wow..... observe the world around you. Look at what is and has happened to countries where mass immigration from muslim countries has taken place. It never ends well. davidh1975
  • Score: 4

4:23pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Thanks EDL but no thanks.

The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think.

I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.
Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind!
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: Thanks EDL but no thanks. The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think. I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.[/p][/quote]Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind! davidh1975
  • Score: 8

4:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

l'anglais says...

Who cares?
Little people with little intelligence...

Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP
Who cares? Little people with little intelligence... Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP l'anglais
  • Score: -5

4:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

hamworthygirl says...

Every one has a right to an opinion and protest hower I am surprised that Bournemouth allowed this in the middle of the school holidays when families are there. It could get nasty and families wont return to the area and they are much needed.
Every one has a right to an opinion and protest hower I am surprised that Bournemouth allowed this in the middle of the school holidays when families are there. It could get nasty and families wont return to the area and they are much needed. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

dean3020 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.
Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.
[quote][p][bold]dean3020[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.[/p][/quote]Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up. davidh1975
  • Score: 5

4:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist
" to a religion.

Mods v Rockers
Punks v Skins
Left v Right
Millwall v West Ham
Squaddies v Locals

Plus la change!
EDL is not far right
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist " to a religion. Mods v Rockers Punks v Skins Left v Right Millwall v West Ham Squaddies v Locals Plus la change![/p][/quote]EDL is not far right davidh1975
  • Score: -2

4:42pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

davidh1975 wrote:
dean3020 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.
Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.
Careful, you'll start confusing a few of these. These people are talking about how bad stereotyping is when they themselves stereotype in EVERY single post, it's a bit of a lost cause.
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dean3020[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.[/p][/quote]Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.[/p][/quote]Careful, you'll start confusing a few of these. These people are talking about how bad stereotyping is when they themselves stereotype in EVERY single post, it's a bit of a lost cause. bogtrotter
  • Score: -2

4:45pm Wed 20 Aug 14

eaststandman says...

MrsF82 wrote:
eaststandman wrote:
MrsF82 wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
And, as usual, the one thing you haven't mentioned, is the topic. Which is increasingly, the religion of intolerence and hate. I see they bravely beheaded another journalist today. That's why Islam has no place in a civilized country.
"The religion of intolerance and hate" - sounds like an EDL tagline (I'm sure setting up as a religion could get them some tax breaks - if they ever pay any). Islam is not a religion of intolerance. Extremists don't represent Islam any more than terrorists in Northern Ireland represent Catholics or Protestants. The whole point of being extremists is that your views differ from the norm. Christianity has been responsible for innumerable atrocities throughout history. Ever been to the catacombs in Rome? Of course, the truth just spoils your argument. And I did cover the main points, while you just threw a fallacy at me. Grow up.
Sorry I took a while to get back to you, its just that I can't sit on here all day.

I have a job.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.[/p][/quote]And, as usual, the one thing you haven't mentioned, is the topic. Which is increasingly, the religion of intolerence and hate. I see they bravely beheaded another journalist today. That's why Islam has no place in a civilized country.[/p][/quote]"The religion of intolerance and hate" - sounds like an EDL tagline (I'm sure setting up as a religion could get them some tax breaks - if they ever pay any). Islam is not a religion of intolerance. Extremists don't represent Islam any more than terrorists in Northern Ireland represent Catholics or Protestants. The whole point of being extremists is that your views differ from the norm. Christianity has been responsible for innumerable atrocities throughout history. Ever been to the catacombs in Rome? Of course, the truth just spoils your argument. And I did cover the main points, while you just threw a fallacy at me. Grow up.[/p][/quote]Sorry I took a while to get back to you, its just that I can't sit on here all day. I have a job. eaststandman
  • Score: -2

4:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

MrsF82 wrote:
bobthedestroyer wrote:
More antagonists on both sides make these demonstrations futile. This is not debate just mudslinging.
They're simply football hooligans with bigotries. They don't care about the cause, beyond just being hate filled and racist. They simply want a fight. We have to make sure they don't get it here, but rather that they're faced with a sea of tolerant people who will not stand for hatred in our town (from either side).
You are deluded. Saying "all" of the EDL are how you describe them is as prejudice as you claim they are towards Muslims. Which they are are not.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: More antagonists on both sides make these demonstrations futile. This is not debate just mudslinging.[/p][/quote]They're simply football hooligans with bigotries. They don't care about the cause, beyond just being hate filled and racist. They simply want a fight. We have to make sure they don't get it here, but rather that they're faced with a sea of tolerant people who will not stand for hatred in our town (from either side).[/p][/quote]You are deluded. Saying "all" of the EDL are how you describe them is as prejudice as you claim they are towards Muslims. Which they are are not. davidh1975
  • Score: 2

4:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

afcb-mark says...

davidh1975 wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
Thanks EDL but no thanks.

The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think.

I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.
Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind!
Well said David. If the EDL want to march through Bournemouth that's their choice. They believe what they stand for and that is also their choice. I agree with a lot of what they have to say regards Muslim extremists, just who do these people think they are, depositing themselves in our country and then dictating to us. If they want sharia law then they should go back to a country that believes in the same principles as them. In my eyes If they can't or simply won't integrate they are not welcome here.
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: Thanks EDL but no thanks. The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think. I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.[/p][/quote]Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind![/p][/quote]Well said David. If the EDL want to march through Bournemouth that's their choice. They believe what they stand for and that is also their choice. I agree with a lot of what they have to say regards Muslim extremists, just who do these people think they are, depositing themselves in our country and then dictating to us. If they want sharia law then they should go back to a country that believes in the same principles as them. In my eyes If they can't or simply won't integrate they are not welcome here. afcb-mark
  • Score: 10

4:57pm Wed 20 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

EDP, who are they, but a bunch of antagonistic prowess who believe they are doing good foe England. They are not. They are not unlike the Nazis, a one nation, one leader, one ideal. They should not portray the St. George Flag as they do, nor be allowed to form a march with the intent on causing problems for others.
EDP, who are they, but a bunch of antagonistic prowess who believe they are doing good foe England. They are not. They are not unlike the Nazis, a one nation, one leader, one ideal. They should not portray the St. George Flag as they do, nor be allowed to form a march with the intent on causing problems for others. TheDistrict
  • Score: -11

5:02pm Wed 20 Aug 14

billy bumble says...

davidh1975 wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
Thanks EDL but no thanks.

The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think.

I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.
Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind!
Precisely David

And I am most impressed how the "moderate" Muslims are falling all over each other to denounce the murder of the journalist in Iraq - or indeed any of the other atrocities and ethnic and religious cleansing there
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: Thanks EDL but no thanks. The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think. I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.[/p][/quote]Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind![/p][/quote]Precisely David And I am most impressed how the "moderate" Muslims are falling all over each other to denounce the murder of the journalist in Iraq - or indeed any of the other atrocities and ethnic and religious cleansing there billy bumble
  • Score: 13

5:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

sadly genuine concerns get lost and highjacked by this bunch of low witted idiots

EDL - a governments best friend
sadly genuine concerns get lost and highjacked by this bunch of low witted idiots EDL - a governments best friend Bob49
  • Score: -2

5:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

i have heard it all now says...

Route the march to Creekmoor Park and Ride,Poole Council will not sort out the problem perhaps the EDL can.

All the best Lads.
Route the march to Creekmoor Park and Ride,Poole Council will not sort out the problem perhaps the EDL can. All the best Lads. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 1

5:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
I'm sure the family of James Foley will agree with your sentiments that Islam is a religion of peace. When I see Muslims walking down the streets of Bournemouth shouting loud and clear that they don't agree with extremists, then I, and a lot more like me, would be more tolerant of their religion. You can agree with the EDL or not, but they have the right to make their views known.
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]I'm sure the family of James Foley will agree with your sentiments that Islam is a religion of peace. When I see Muslims walking down the streets of Bournemouth shouting loud and clear that they don't agree with extremists, then I, and a lot more like me, would be more tolerant of their religion. You can agree with the EDL or not, but they have the right to make their views known. ShuttleX
  • Score: 10

5:31pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

BCDbusint2014 wrote:
EDL? Defending England ?? Things worth complaining about..

1) Complain about hospitals.. more people die of lethal injections in each hospital each generation than throughout all the troubles of Northern Ireland.. the public have been systematically disabled exploited mislead.. and made pathetic and cancerous .. and in many ways less human and less capable than any generation in Britain ever before..

2) Complain about education.. we could have been educated about the businesses of the world... the maps the challenges the opportunities.. the money to make .. the possibilities of the future..instead.. every year of school leavers ends up eventually decimated.. economically medically politically and misadventurously.. socially discriminated against to prevent them doing the work they are capable of..

3) Complain about taxes.. everybody would be better off as customers paying directly for healthcare and education worth paying for.... even the police could be funded by your insurers.. and why not the military too..???

4) Complain about defence..this country has never been defended.. not a school or an institution not a business capability not a hospital or a bank not infrastructure not even your homes your women or kids.. obviously prima nocter klinkhouse sh!t from europe invaded systematically to decimate us every 12 good men and true to establish their sh!tty dysfunctional psychoeconomic ways of life instead

5) Complain about banks about financial crime and property crime.. this country has been bankrupted by property criminals.. and worse they bumped off husbands and fathers.. took their homes and exploited their former wives.. leaving kids without mothers in nightmares of drugs crime and prostitution instead of the happy families they loved..

6) Complain about westminster.. haven't we got enough common sense of our own.. do we need a house of commons.. do you really want to pay for them to f#ck in our taxes..??? do you need them in your meetings on your tellies in your lives??? taking your money out of your wallet to waste on crappy dysfunctional people who think there is more money in politics than working for the future of the country???

7) Complain about the war... saddam never did 911 he would have picked the holocaust on the highway as a date to attack local airbases in the arab world to get the americans out of his airspace.. 911 was done by firemen in new york and washington.. the world trade centre was brought down by explosives in the fire exstinguishers .. and only a veteran fireman would put himself or bankers through a fire like it.. the war has been set up just like the one in Northern Ireland to decimate young british men through selection deployment and training to nick their homes for immigrant prima nocter war criminals to f#ck their women instead!!!
What's the weather like on your planet?
[quote][p][bold]BCDbusint2014[/bold] wrote: EDL? Defending England ?? Things worth complaining about.. 1) Complain about hospitals.. more people die of lethal injections in each hospital each generation than throughout all the troubles of Northern Ireland.. the public have been systematically disabled exploited mislead.. and made pathetic and cancerous .. and in many ways less human and less capable than any generation in Britain ever before.. 2) Complain about education.. we could have been educated about the businesses of the world... the maps the challenges the opportunities.. the money to make .. the possibilities of the future..instead.. every year of school leavers ends up eventually decimated.. economically medically politically and misadventurously.. socially discriminated against to prevent them doing the work they are capable of.. 3) Complain about taxes.. everybody would be better off as customers paying directly for healthcare and education worth paying for.... even the police could be funded by your insurers.. and why not the military too..??? 4) Complain about defence..this country has never been defended.. not a school or an institution not a business capability not a hospital or a bank not infrastructure not even your homes your women or kids.. obviously prima nocter klinkhouse sh!t from europe invaded systematically to decimate us every 12 good men and true to establish their sh!tty dysfunctional psychoeconomic ways of life instead 5) Complain about banks about financial crime and property crime.. this country has been bankrupted by property criminals.. and worse they bumped off husbands and fathers.. took their homes and exploited their former wives.. leaving kids without mothers in nightmares of drugs crime and prostitution instead of the happy families they loved.. 6) Complain about westminster.. haven't we got enough common sense of our own.. do we need a house of commons.. do you really want to pay for them to f#ck in our taxes..??? do you need them in your meetings on your tellies in your lives??? taking your money out of your wallet to waste on crappy dysfunctional people who think there is more money in politics than working for the future of the country??? 7) Complain about the war... saddam never did 911 he would have picked the holocaust on the highway as a date to attack local airbases in the arab world to get the americans out of his airspace.. 911 was done by firemen in new york and washington.. the world trade centre was brought down by explosives in the fire exstinguishers .. and only a veteran fireman would put himself or bankers through a fire like it.. the war has been set up just like the one in Northern Ireland to decimate young british men through selection deployment and training to nick their homes for immigrant prima nocter war criminals to f#ck their women instead!!![/p][/quote]What's the weather like on your planet? ShuttleX
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

"I think that debate is more about the world going PC mad rather than religious awareness. I have witnessed someone say they were offended on a work email wishing people 'Happy Holidays' (as Happy Xmas wasn't allowed) because Santa was white. That is quite clearly PC madness."


no, it is more a reflection on your gullibility and paranoia where everything that is beyond your extremeely limited grasp is 'political correctness gone mad '

whereas in reality a quick look a bit closer might show you that this stuff is almost always misinformation designed to over excite the not too bright and so distract them from the real problems

why not look up the tuth about the supposed banning of conker fighting, and then perhaps reflect how much else have you been duped about

"four legs, good legs better baaa... baaa"
"I think that debate is more about the world going PC mad rather than religious awareness. I have witnessed someone say they were offended on a work email wishing people 'Happy Holidays' (as Happy Xmas wasn't allowed) because Santa was white. That is quite clearly PC madness." no, it is more a reflection on your gullibility and paranoia where everything that is beyond your extremeely limited grasp is 'political correctness gone mad ' whereas in reality a quick look a bit closer might show you that this stuff is almost always misinformation designed to over excite the not too bright and so distract them from the real problems why not look up the tuth about the supposed banning of conker fighting, and then perhaps reflect how much else have you been duped about "four legs, good legs better baaa... baaa" Bob49
  • Score: 6

5:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Derf says...

Don't know what all the fuss is about. By 'march' I guess what they mean is a dozen coaches of drunk yobbos stuck in traffic on the spur road for 3 hours.
Don't know what all the fuss is about. By 'march' I guess what they mean is a dozen coaches of drunk yobbos stuck in traffic on the spur road for 3 hours. Derf
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Bob49 wrote:
"I think that debate is more about the world going PC mad rather than religious awareness. I have witnessed someone say they were offended on a work email wishing people 'Happy Holidays' (as Happy Xmas wasn't allowed) because Santa was white. That is quite clearly PC madness."


no, it is more a reflection on your gullibility and paranoia where everything that is beyond your extremeely limited grasp is 'political correctness gone mad '

whereas in reality a quick look a bit closer might show you that this stuff is almost always misinformation designed to over excite the not too bright and so distract them from the real problems

why not look up the tuth about the supposed banning of conker fighting, and then perhaps reflect how much else have you been duped about

"four legs, good legs better baaa... baaa"
What? I think you've taken the above out of context. Use more commas, it helps you breathe.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "I think that debate is more about the world going PC mad rather than religious awareness. I have witnessed someone say they were offended on a work email wishing people 'Happy Holidays' (as Happy Xmas wasn't allowed) because Santa was white. That is quite clearly PC madness." no, it is more a reflection on your gullibility and paranoia where everything that is beyond your extremeely limited grasp is 'political correctness gone mad ' whereas in reality a quick look a bit closer might show you that this stuff is almost always misinformation designed to over excite the not too bright and so distract them from the real problems why not look up the tuth about the supposed banning of conker fighting, and then perhaps reflect how much else have you been duped about "four legs, good legs better baaa... baaa"[/p][/quote]What? I think you've taken the above out of context. Use more commas, it helps you breathe. bogtrotter
  • Score: -4

5:44pm Wed 20 Aug 14

A N Archist says...

The police will protect the EDL because they come from the same stable in the final analysis. The EDL are facists and hatemongers pure and simple. They can make all the socially enlightened statements they like but the bottom line is they are a white supremacist movement for the terminally brain dead.

NO PASARAN at Cable Street in 1936 and NO PASARAN in Bournemouth in 2014.
The police will protect the EDL because they come from the same stable in the final analysis. The EDL are facists and hatemongers pure and simple. They can make all the socially enlightened statements they like but the bottom line is they are a white supremacist movement for the terminally brain dead. NO PASARAN at Cable Street in 1936 and NO PASARAN in Bournemouth in 2014. A N Archist
  • Score: -8

5:45pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cookie75 says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Queen jess x wrote:
Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!!
"good when it comes to money matters"? Taking away vital funds from the most vulnerable in society and paying a French company who pay no corporation tax here a bigger sum to do it?

Or maybe you mean the way they're sneakily stripping down and selling off our national services piece by piece, which will one day bankrupt this country?

Or perhaps Thatcher's wondering privatisation of energy and transport, and selling off all the council housing so cheaply that we are left with a social housing crisis, and a housing boom and bust?

Or perhaps it's just all that money they give to the companies who sponsor them to fail to provide adequate services? Or the billions on corporation tax we lose because they don't want to **** off their biggest supporters?

Or maybe it's the fact that, despite austerity, we are in more debt than we were before? That austerity hasn't made the blindest bit of difference? That they've borrowed more than the last government?

Or maybe "good with money" means their ability to siphon money out of the country and into their own pockets and those of their friends?

Good with money?! I really needed a laugh, thank you.

Wake up! This government is one-by-one hammering nails into this country's coffin. One day, you'll get sick and need disability benefits but they won't be there. Or you'll need the NHS and it won't be there. We have to start doing something now - first priority, getting this government out, urgently.
MrsF82

You have had a lot to say about this and quite frankly, too much. None of what you say is anything other than left wing UNITE the Union propaganda. In fact what you have typed could well have been cut and paste from socialist worker/guardian/len mccluskey/unite and all the other cobblers talkers.

What is a major danger to the UK is not Islam, is not the rise of the far right (which is actually diminishing every year and generally occurs because of the smug arrogance of the left that never takes responsibility for anything and never listens to anyone else (also accuses anyone who doesn't agree with left wing views as right wing tories/racists/facis
ts)........the biggest threat to the general populace of the UK is the pseudo intelligent left who now have all the power to insidiously poison their mindsets into everyone else.

We all know what the EDL and it main members are. You do not have to patronise us. Nor do you have to do the usual left wing arrogant smugness of thinking that you are the only ones with a brain. The ones who use the 'working classes' as leverage to expand your power and in the next breath be snobbish towards them.

I am sick and tired of the one sided prejudiced racist bile that comes from the left. The left forgets that the Labour Party up until the mid 70's was actually very racist (because it represented its members - white working class males) and that it was hijacked by the likes of Harriet Harman to push in its very militant manifesto.

Your diatribes contain the usual spiel of the left.....Daily Mail.....Daily Mail....Daily Mail......destroying our public services......Thatch
er....Thatcher....Th
atcher

It is beyond boring as well as naive, unintelligent and devoid of any reality

Put the left under true honest scrutiny and if you come out saying that it is all ok, they are fair and decent, then it will just prove that you are every bit the same prejudiced individual as the EDL who you dislike

Different sides of the same rotten coin

P.S If the 82 in your name denotes the year of your birth then quite frankly you are just a sheep of the left with absolutely no real knowledge of the 1980's
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!![/p][/quote]"good when it comes to money matters"? Taking away vital funds from the most vulnerable in society and paying a French company who pay no corporation tax here a bigger sum to do it? Or maybe you mean the way they're sneakily stripping down and selling off our national services piece by piece, which will one day bankrupt this country? Or perhaps Thatcher's wondering privatisation of energy and transport, and selling off all the council housing so cheaply that we are left with a social housing crisis, and a housing boom and bust? Or perhaps it's just all that money they give to the companies who sponsor them to fail to provide adequate services? Or the billions on corporation tax we lose because they don't want to **** off their biggest supporters? Or maybe it's the fact that, despite austerity, we are in more debt than we were before? That austerity hasn't made the blindest bit of difference? That they've borrowed more than the last government? Or maybe "good with money" means their ability to siphon money out of the country and into their own pockets and those of their friends? Good with money?! I really needed a laugh, thank you. Wake up! This government is one-by-one hammering nails into this country's coffin. One day, you'll get sick and need disability benefits but they won't be there. Or you'll need the NHS and it won't be there. We have to start doing something now - first priority, getting this government out, urgently.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 You have had a lot to say about this and quite frankly, too much. None of what you say is anything other than left wing UNITE the Union propaganda. In fact what you have typed could well have been cut and paste from socialist worker/guardian/len mccluskey/unite and all the other cobblers talkers. What is a major danger to the UK is not Islam, is not the rise of the far right (which is actually diminishing every year and generally occurs because of the smug arrogance of the left that never takes responsibility for anything and never listens to anyone else (also accuses anyone who doesn't agree with left wing views as right wing tories/racists/facis ts)........the biggest threat to the general populace of the UK is the pseudo intelligent left who now have all the power to insidiously poison their mindsets into everyone else. We all know what the EDL and it main members are. You do not have to patronise us. Nor do you have to do the usual left wing arrogant smugness of thinking that you are the only ones with a brain. The ones who use the 'working classes' as leverage to expand your power and in the next breath be snobbish towards them. I am sick and tired of the one sided prejudiced racist bile that comes from the left. The left forgets that the Labour Party up until the mid 70's was actually very racist (because it represented its members - white working class males) and that it was hijacked by the likes of Harriet Harman to push in its very militant manifesto. Your diatribes contain the usual spiel of the left.....Daily Mail.....Daily Mail....Daily Mail......destroying our public services......Thatch er....Thatcher....Th atcher It is beyond boring as well as naive, unintelligent and devoid of any reality Put the left under true honest scrutiny and if you come out saying that it is all ok, they are fair and decent, then it will just prove that you are every bit the same prejudiced individual as the EDL who you dislike Different sides of the same rotten coin P.S If the 82 in your name denotes the year of your birth then quite frankly you are just a sheep of the left with absolutely no real knowledge of the 1980's Cookie75
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Wed 20 Aug 14

A N Archist says...

oh and plod will be filming everybody on the day.
oh and plod will be filming everybody on the day. A N Archist
  • Score: -1

5:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cookie75 says...

davidh1975 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist

" to a religion.

Mods v Rockers
Punks v Skins
Left v Right
Millwall v West Ham
Squaddies v Locals

Plus la change!
EDL is not far right
Yes it is far right.
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist " to a religion. Mods v Rockers Punks v Skins Left v Right Millwall v West Ham Squaddies v Locals Plus la change![/p][/quote]EDL is not far right[/p][/quote]Yes it is far right. Cookie75
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Wed 20 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Cookie75 wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Queen jess x wrote:
Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!!
"good when it comes to money matters"? Taking away vital funds from the most vulnerable in society and paying a French company who pay no corporation tax here a bigger sum to do it?

Or maybe you mean the way they're sneakily stripping down and selling off our national services piece by piece, which will one day bankrupt this country?

Or perhaps Thatcher's wondering privatisation of energy and transport, and selling off all the council housing so cheaply that we are left with a social housing crisis, and a housing boom and bust?

Or perhaps it's just all that money they give to the companies who sponsor them to fail to provide adequate services? Or the billions on corporation tax we lose because they don't want to **** off their biggest supporters?

Or maybe it's the fact that, despite austerity, we are in more debt than we were before? That austerity hasn't made the blindest bit of difference? That they've borrowed more than the last government?

Or maybe "good with money" means their ability to siphon money out of the country and into their own pockets and those of their friends?

Good with money?! I really needed a laugh, thank you.

Wake up! This government is one-by-one hammering nails into this country's coffin. One day, you'll get sick and need disability benefits but they won't be there. Or you'll need the NHS and it won't be there. We have to start doing something now - first priority, getting this government out, urgently.
MrsF82

You have had a lot to say about this and quite frankly, too much. None of what you say is anything other than left wing UNITE the Union propaganda. In fact what you have typed could well have been cut and paste from socialist worker/guardian/len mccluskey/unite and all the other cobblers talkers.

What is a major danger to the UK is not Islam, is not the rise of the far right (which is actually diminishing every year and generally occurs because of the smug arrogance of the left that never takes responsibility for anything and never listens to anyone else (also accuses anyone who doesn't agree with left wing views as right wing tories/racists/facis

ts)........the biggest threat to the general populace of the UK is the pseudo intelligent left who now have all the power to insidiously poison their mindsets into everyone else.

We all know what the EDL and it main members are. You do not have to patronise us. Nor do you have to do the usual left wing arrogant smugness of thinking that you are the only ones with a brain. The ones who use the 'working classes' as leverage to expand your power and in the next breath be snobbish towards them.

I am sick and tired of the one sided prejudiced racist bile that comes from the left. The left forgets that the Labour Party up until the mid 70's was actually very racist (because it represented its members - white working class males) and that it was hijacked by the likes of Harriet Harman to push in its very militant manifesto.

Your diatribes contain the usual spiel of the left.....Daily Mail.....Daily Mail....Daily Mail......destroying our public services......Thatch

er....Thatcher....Th

atcher

It is beyond boring as well as naive, unintelligent and devoid of any reality

Put the left under true honest scrutiny and if you come out saying that it is all ok, they are fair and decent, then it will just prove that you are every bit the same prejudiced individual as the EDL who you dislike

Different sides of the same rotten coin

P.S If the 82 in your name denotes the year of your birth then quite frankly you are just a sheep of the left with absolutely no real knowledge of the 1980's
#Owned

Nicely done.
[quote][p][bold]Cookie75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Eaststandman ... What about Christian fundamentalists such as Kony... Mugabe... IRA... ??? I am not voting labour anyway!! i am voting tory because they are good when it comes to money matters.... Ukip are complete waste .. I mean who vows to leave europe by asking for votes to get 'European'parliament seats!! yes Edl have the right to protest but i am very proud of bournemouth locals who oppose waste of time chanting thugs!![/p][/quote]"good when it comes to money matters"? Taking away vital funds from the most vulnerable in society and paying a French company who pay no corporation tax here a bigger sum to do it? Or maybe you mean the way they're sneakily stripping down and selling off our national services piece by piece, which will one day bankrupt this country? Or perhaps Thatcher's wondering privatisation of energy and transport, and selling off all the council housing so cheaply that we are left with a social housing crisis, and a housing boom and bust? Or perhaps it's just all that money they give to the companies who sponsor them to fail to provide adequate services? Or the billions on corporation tax we lose because they don't want to **** off their biggest supporters? Or maybe it's the fact that, despite austerity, we are in more debt than we were before? That austerity hasn't made the blindest bit of difference? That they've borrowed more than the last government? Or maybe "good with money" means their ability to siphon money out of the country and into their own pockets and those of their friends? Good with money?! I really needed a laugh, thank you. Wake up! This government is one-by-one hammering nails into this country's coffin. One day, you'll get sick and need disability benefits but they won't be there. Or you'll need the NHS and it won't be there. We have to start doing something now - first priority, getting this government out, urgently.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 You have had a lot to say about this and quite frankly, too much. None of what you say is anything other than left wing UNITE the Union propaganda. In fact what you have typed could well have been cut and paste from socialist worker/guardian/len mccluskey/unite and all the other cobblers talkers. What is a major danger to the UK is not Islam, is not the rise of the far right (which is actually diminishing every year and generally occurs because of the smug arrogance of the left that never takes responsibility for anything and never listens to anyone else (also accuses anyone who doesn't agree with left wing views as right wing tories/racists/facis ts)........the biggest threat to the general populace of the UK is the pseudo intelligent left who now have all the power to insidiously poison their mindsets into everyone else. We all know what the EDL and it main members are. You do not have to patronise us. Nor do you have to do the usual left wing arrogant smugness of thinking that you are the only ones with a brain. The ones who use the 'working classes' as leverage to expand your power and in the next breath be snobbish towards them. I am sick and tired of the one sided prejudiced racist bile that comes from the left. The left forgets that the Labour Party up until the mid 70's was actually very racist (because it represented its members - white working class males) and that it was hijacked by the likes of Harriet Harman to push in its very militant manifesto. Your diatribes contain the usual spiel of the left.....Daily Mail.....Daily Mail....Daily Mail......destroying our public services......Thatch er....Thatcher....Th atcher It is beyond boring as well as naive, unintelligent and devoid of any reality Put the left under true honest scrutiny and if you come out saying that it is all ok, they are fair and decent, then it will just prove that you are every bit the same prejudiced individual as the EDL who you dislike Different sides of the same rotten coin P.S If the 82 in your name denotes the year of your birth then quite frankly you are just a sheep of the left with absolutely no real knowledge of the 1980's[/p][/quote]#Owned Nicely done. bogtrotter
  • Score: 3

5:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

You have to laugh at MrsF82. She keeps going on about tolerance etc etc, but look how many times she calls people names who disagree with her. Her " I am right, anybody who thinks different is wrong" attitude has a lot in common with radical Muslims. " We are right, and we will kill anybody who thinks different than us" Whilst you are perfectly entitled to your opinion MrsF82, I think you will notice that quite a few people disagree with you. I too have a degree. In fact I have three. I do not read the Daily Mail, and I more than one brain cell. So by all means call me names if it makes you feel better, but to call everybody who thinks different "fools" etc...... well that says quite a lot about you.
You have to laugh at MrsF82. She keeps going on about tolerance etc etc, but look how many times she calls people names who disagree with her. Her " I am right, anybody who thinks different is wrong" attitude has a lot in common with radical Muslims. " We are right, and we will kill anybody who thinks different than us" Whilst you are perfectly entitled to your opinion MrsF82, I think you will notice that quite a few people disagree with you. I too have a degree. In fact I have three. I do not read the Daily Mail, and I more than one brain cell. So by all means call me names if it makes you feel better, but to call everybody who thinks different "fools" etc...... well that says quite a lot about you. ShuttleX
  • Score: 10

5:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Cookie75 says...

Nazi Party official name was

National Socialist Workers Party of Germany

Oswald Mosley "By 1924 he was growing increasingly attracted to the Labour Party, which had just formed a government, and in March he joined it. He immediately joined the Independent Labour Party (ILP) as well and allied himself with the left."

Gaddafi

Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya

Pol Pot - "He presided over a totalitarian dictatorship that imposed a radical form of agrarian socialism on the country" - Communist Party of Kampuchea

Stalin - "Under Stalin's rule, the concept of "socialism in one country" became a central tenet of Soviet society."

What is the central theme??
Nazi Party official name was National Socialist Workers Party of Germany Oswald Mosley "By 1924 he was growing increasingly attracted to the Labour Party, which had just formed a government, and in March he joined it. He immediately joined the Independent Labour Party (ILP) as well and allied himself with the left." Gaddafi Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya Pol Pot - "He presided over a totalitarian dictatorship that imposed a radical form of agrarian socialism on the country" - Communist Party of Kampuchea Stalin - "Under Stalin's rule, the concept of "socialism in one country" became a central tenet of Soviet society." What is the central theme?? Cookie75
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

davidh1975 wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
Thanks EDL but no thanks.

The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think.

I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.
Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind!
If you'd bothered to carry on reading the rest of the Mission Statement on the EDL website rather than copy and paste the small part that fits your response you would've seen that the EDL acknowledge that there are a small percentage of Muslims with extreme views that are involved in the things you've mentioned and that minority are causing harm not just in the UK generally but within the Muslim community.

So if you want to go and tar all muslims with the same brush then go right ahead but that is a rather extremist view in it's own right. It's not my own liberal view and it doesn't appear to be the view of the EDL either. (based on the mission satatement)
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: Thanks EDL but no thanks. The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think. I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.[/p][/quote]Tiny minority? So you think its a tiny minority that are guilty of cultural misogyny, oppression against women, honour violence, fgm, Child marriage, muslim grooming gangs, political Islam, uncontrolled immigration into our country against the wishes of the majority, abuse / disresect of our troops, sharia law, cruel halal slaughter, etc etc etc violent jihad is only a small part of the problem. If you cant see that you are blind![/p][/quote]If you'd bothered to carry on reading the rest of the Mission Statement on the EDL website rather than copy and paste the small part that fits your response you would've seen that the EDL acknowledge that there are a small percentage of Muslims with extreme views that are involved in the things you've mentioned and that minority are causing harm not just in the UK generally but within the Muslim community. So if you want to go and tar all muslims with the same brush then go right ahead but that is a rather extremist view in it's own right. It's not my own liberal view and it doesn't appear to be the view of the EDL either. (based on the mission satatement) boardsandphotos
  • Score: 4

6:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

60plus says...

I thought you needed permission to march so how come they got it on bank holiday weekend goes to prove BC don't want holiday makers.
I thought you needed permission to march so how come they got it on bank holiday weekend goes to prove BC don't want holiday makers. 60plus
  • Score: -3

6:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
"#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ? Bob49
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

afcb-mark says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE afcb-mark
  • Score: 0

6:34pm Wed 20 Aug 14

afcb-mark says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE afcb-mark
  • Score: 5

6:43pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Understated says...

"i have a great idea guys!!! lets fight extremism... with extremism!!!!!!!" - EDL
"i have a great idea guys!!! lets fight extremism... with extremism!!!!!!!" - EDL Understated
  • Score: 2

7:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm gonzo123
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Wed 20 Aug 14

mgibbs says...

ShuttleX wrote:
BCDbusint2014 wrote:
EDL? Defending England ?? Things worth complaining about..

1) Complain about hospitals.. more people die of lethal injections in each hospital each generation than throughout all the troubles of Northern Ireland.. the public have been systematically disabled exploited mislead.. and made pathetic and cancerous .. and in many ways less human and less capable than any generation in Britain ever before..

2) Complain about education.. we could have been educated about the businesses of the world... the maps the challenges the opportunities.. the money to make .. the possibilities of the future..instead.. every year of school leavers ends up eventually decimated.. economically medically politically and misadventurously.. socially discriminated against to prevent them doing the work they are capable of..

3) Complain about taxes.. everybody would be better off as customers paying directly for healthcare and education worth paying for.... even the police could be funded by your insurers.. and why not the military too..???

4) Complain about defence..this country has never been defended.. not a school or an institution not a business capability not a hospital or a bank not infrastructure not even your homes your women or kids.. obviously prima nocter klinkhouse sh!t from europe invaded systematically to decimate us every 12 good men and true to establish their sh!tty dysfunctional psychoeconomic ways of life instead

5) Complain about banks about financial crime and property crime.. this country has been bankrupted by property criminals.. and worse they bumped off husbands and fathers.. took their homes and exploited their former wives.. leaving kids without mothers in nightmares of drugs crime and prostitution instead of the happy families they loved..

6) Complain about westminster.. haven't we got enough common sense of our own.. do we need a house of commons.. do you really want to pay for them to f#ck in our taxes..??? do you need them in your meetings on your tellies in your lives??? taking your money out of your wallet to waste on crappy dysfunctional people who think there is more money in politics than working for the future of the country???

7) Complain about the war... saddam never did 911 he would have picked the holocaust on the highway as a date to attack local airbases in the arab world to get the americans out of his airspace.. 911 was done by firemen in new york and washington.. the world trade centre was brought down by explosives in the fire exstinguishers .. and only a veteran fireman would put himself or bankers through a fire like it.. the war has been set up just like the one in Northern Ireland to decimate young british men through selection deployment and training to nick their homes for immigrant prima nocter war criminals to f#ck their women instead!!!
What's the weather like on your planet?
He would have to first work out what planet he was on before being able to answer that. It would appear that an excessive consumption of certain pharmaceutical and herbal products has addled his brains.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BCDbusint2014[/bold] wrote: EDL? Defending England ?? Things worth complaining about.. 1) Complain about hospitals.. more people die of lethal injections in each hospital each generation than throughout all the troubles of Northern Ireland.. the public have been systematically disabled exploited mislead.. and made pathetic and cancerous .. and in many ways less human and less capable than any generation in Britain ever before.. 2) Complain about education.. we could have been educated about the businesses of the world... the maps the challenges the opportunities.. the money to make .. the possibilities of the future..instead.. every year of school leavers ends up eventually decimated.. economically medically politically and misadventurously.. socially discriminated against to prevent them doing the work they are capable of.. 3) Complain about taxes.. everybody would be better off as customers paying directly for healthcare and education worth paying for.... even the police could be funded by your insurers.. and why not the military too..??? 4) Complain about defence..this country has never been defended.. not a school or an institution not a business capability not a hospital or a bank not infrastructure not even your homes your women or kids.. obviously prima nocter klinkhouse sh!t from europe invaded systematically to decimate us every 12 good men and true to establish their sh!tty dysfunctional psychoeconomic ways of life instead 5) Complain about banks about financial crime and property crime.. this country has been bankrupted by property criminals.. and worse they bumped off husbands and fathers.. took their homes and exploited their former wives.. leaving kids without mothers in nightmares of drugs crime and prostitution instead of the happy families they loved.. 6) Complain about westminster.. haven't we got enough common sense of our own.. do we need a house of commons.. do you really want to pay for them to f#ck in our taxes..??? do you need them in your meetings on your tellies in your lives??? taking your money out of your wallet to waste on crappy dysfunctional people who think there is more money in politics than working for the future of the country??? 7) Complain about the war... saddam never did 911 he would have picked the holocaust on the highway as a date to attack local airbases in the arab world to get the americans out of his airspace.. 911 was done by firemen in new york and washington.. the world trade centre was brought down by explosives in the fire exstinguishers .. and only a veteran fireman would put himself or bankers through a fire like it.. the war has been set up just like the one in Northern Ireland to decimate young british men through selection deployment and training to nick their homes for immigrant prima nocter war criminals to f#ck their women instead!!![/p][/quote]What's the weather like on your planet?[/p][/quote]He would have to first work out what planet he was on before being able to answer that. It would appear that an excessive consumption of certain pharmaceutical and herbal products has addled his brains. mgibbs
  • Score: 1

7:45pm Wed 20 Aug 14

corozin says...

For a political party they sure are dumb.

**** off hundreds of thousands pf people by holding your petty little march on a Nank Holiday Saturday isn't going to engender anyone to your cause is it?

Cretins.
For a political party they sure are dumb. **** off hundreds of thousands pf people by holding your petty little march on a Nank Holiday Saturday isn't going to engender anyone to your cause is it? Cretins. corozin
  • Score: 4

7:45pm Wed 20 Aug 14

corozin says...

For a political party they sure are dumb.

**** off hundreds of thousands pf people by holding your petty little march on a Bank Holiday Saturday isn't going to engender anyone to your cause is it?

Cretins.
For a political party they sure are dumb. **** off hundreds of thousands pf people by holding your petty little march on a Bank Holiday Saturday isn't going to engender anyone to your cause is it? Cretins. corozin
  • Score: 0

7:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

afcb-mark wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE
On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent.

Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments.

Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE[/p][/quote]On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent. Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments. Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments. Rotterdam
  • Score: 3

7:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

corozin wrote:
For a political party they sure are dumb.

**** off hundreds of thousands pf people by holding your petty little march on a Bank Holiday Saturday isn't going to engender anyone to your cause is it?

Cretins.
Deluded..... EDL are not a political party. EDL is a human rights organisation. We go where we want. If you don't like it tough........
[quote][p][bold]corozin[/bold] wrote: For a political party they sure are dumb. **** off hundreds of thousands pf people by holding your petty little march on a Bank Holiday Saturday isn't going to engender anyone to your cause is it? Cretins.[/p][/quote]Deluded..... EDL are not a political party. EDL is a human rights organisation. We go where we want. If you don't like it tough........ davidh1975
  • Score: -1

7:59pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

There are quite a few nasty, ignorant comments here, and the voting scores suggest rather a lot of EDL apologists hanging around.

However, I'm sure the average Bournemouth citizen has better things to do with their time than read reams of ill thought out prejudice. Hopefully the EDL will get a good seeing to if they show there faces here on bank Holiday.

And if you do have any sympathy for them, i suggest you go along to the march/pissup and have a look at them and then tell us if you really think that their Britain is your Britain.
There are quite a few nasty, ignorant comments here, and the voting scores suggest rather a lot of EDL apologists hanging around. However, I'm sure the average Bournemouth citizen has better things to do with their time than read reams of ill thought out prejudice. Hopefully the EDL will get a good seeing to if they show there faces here on bank Holiday. And if you do have any sympathy for them, i suggest you go along to the march/pissup and have a look at them and then tell us if you really think that their Britain is your Britain. Rotterdam
  • Score: 2

8:02pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

Rotterdam wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE
On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent.

Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments.

Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.
lol you leftys are a parody of yourselves..... I love the comment above that says "I hate people who incite hate" haha good one. EDL have nothing to do with hate. We love our country and want to protect it. Protecting that which you love is one of the nicer human attributes! It's also funny to listen to leftys talk about rational debate when they then use words like racist, bigot, fascist islamophobe etc to try and shout the debate down without explaining why they have a problem with us. Leftys do this because it is they who have no solid arguments. Instead of countering the EDL with reasoned objective argument you only offer slander, misinformation and lies. It's kind of sad.
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE[/p][/quote]On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent. Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments. Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.[/p][/quote]lol you leftys are a parody of yourselves..... I love the comment above that says "I hate people who incite hate" haha good one. EDL have nothing to do with hate. We love our country and want to protect it. Protecting that which you love is one of the nicer human attributes! It's also funny to listen to leftys talk about rational debate when they then use words like racist, bigot, fascist islamophobe etc to try and shout the debate down without explaining why they have a problem with us. Leftys do this because it is they who have no solid arguments. Instead of countering the EDL with reasoned objective argument you only offer slander, misinformation and lies. It's kind of sad. davidh1975
  • Score: 8

8:03pm Wed 20 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Bournemouth the place for the dysfunctional ,unacceptable . Tacky shallow and publicity seeking to turn up. Screwing the local economy .the place is a joke
Bournemouth the place for the dysfunctional ,unacceptable . Tacky shallow and publicity seeking to turn up. Screwing the local economy .the place is a joke S,Bowes
  • Score: -4

8:04pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

rusty james wrote:
EDL?
Nah, more like KDS,

Knuckle Dragging Scum.
They'll be joined by their mates from the United Kingdom Idiots Party.
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: EDL? Nah, more like KDS, Knuckle Dragging Scum.[/p][/quote]They'll be joined by their mates from the United Kingdom Idiots Party. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

8:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

60plus wrote:
I thought you needed permission to march so how come they got it on bank holiday weekend goes to prove BC don't want holiday makers.
No you don't need permission. You just need to give notice and negotiate terms if you want to avoid arrest for causing breach of the peace etc etc
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: I thought you needed permission to march so how come they got it on bank holiday weekend goes to prove BC don't want holiday makers.[/p][/quote]No you don't need permission. You just need to give notice and negotiate terms if you want to avoid arrest for causing breach of the peace etc etc davidh1975
  • Score: 1

8:06pm Wed 20 Aug 14

RM says...

contric wrote:
perhaps things would be helped if people like adnan chaudry with their big salaries and fancy job titles condemned the islamic millitants as well as the edl
Chance would be a fine thing.
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: perhaps things would be helped if people like adnan chaudry with their big salaries and fancy job titles condemned the islamic millitants as well as the edl[/p][/quote]Chance would be a fine thing. RM
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
or demonstrating that Darwins theory of evolution is not always a one way path
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm[/p][/quote]or demonstrating that Darwins theory of evolution is not always a one way path Bob49
  • Score: 0

8:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

A N Archist wrote:
The police will protect the EDL because they come from the same stable in the final analysis. The EDL are facists and hatemongers pure and simple. They can make all the socially enlightened statements they like but the bottom line is they are a white supremacist movement for the terminally brain dead.

NO PASARAN at Cable Street in 1936 and NO PASARAN in Bournemouth in 2014.
We don't like communists in Bournemouth please go away. The police are there to keep the peace because of ur mob. The first EDl demos had families and people from all walks of life. Since you and ur Islamist friends decided to attack us we now have a situation where only people willing to stand their ground can go to EDL demos. This is entirely the fault of you and your ilk. The amount of times EDL have given you so called ANTIFA the chance to meet up and you have chickened out makes you and your big talk a joke. Your only purpose is to try and shout down the democratic process because communists don't like democracy.
[quote][p][bold]A N Archist[/bold] wrote: The police will protect the EDL because they come from the same stable in the final analysis. The EDL are facists and hatemongers pure and simple. They can make all the socially enlightened statements they like but the bottom line is they are a white supremacist movement for the terminally brain dead. NO PASARAN at Cable Street in 1936 and NO PASARAN in Bournemouth in 2014.[/p][/quote]We don't like communists in Bournemouth please go away. The police are there to keep the peace because of ur mob. The first EDl demos had families and people from all walks of life. Since you and ur Islamist friends decided to attack us we now have a situation where only people willing to stand their ground can go to EDL demos. This is entirely the fault of you and your ilk. The amount of times EDL have given you so called ANTIFA the chance to meet up and you have chickened out makes you and your big talk a joke. Your only purpose is to try and shout down the democratic process because communists don't like democracy. davidh1975
  • Score: 2

8:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

gonzo123 wrote:
With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.
Yet another "true brit" who can't spell in their own language (immigration you bozo!!!), yet more proof, not that any is needed, that the EDL, BNP and UKIP are nothing but stupid, right wing fascists who'd have got on really well with Hitler and Mussolini.
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]Yet another "true brit" who can't spell in their own language (immigration you bozo!!!), yet more proof, not that any is needed, that the EDL, BNP and UKIP are nothing but stupid, right wing fascists who'd have got on really well with Hitler and Mussolini. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

8:25pm Wed 20 Aug 14

davidh1975 says...

l'anglais wrote:
Who cares?
Little people with little intelligence...

Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP
and you claim they have low intelligence. EDL is nothing like the BNP. There is a huge void between them on the political spectrum kind of like the one between your ears :-) You sound like you are closer to goose stepping than the EDL the way you use lies, misinformation and propaganda rather than reasoned objectivity to counter someone you disagree with.............
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Who cares? Little people with little intelligence... Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP[/p][/quote]and you claim they have low intelligence. EDL is nothing like the BNP. There is a huge void between them on the political spectrum kind of like the one between your ears :-) You sound like you are closer to goose stepping than the EDL the way you use lies, misinformation and propaganda rather than reasoned objectivity to counter someone you disagree with............. davidh1975
  • Score: -2

8:29pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

kevinms wrote:
Orwells ghost. Try reading the bible. I'm an atheist. All religions promote hate and bigotry. Ure a typical right winger. Every 1 who disagrees with u is a Marxist. He was right about religion. The EDL is racist. U dont know much about Marx. Only his name.
Why don't you try reading the Bible? To read the unabridged version you'll have to travel to the Vatican where you'll be refused permission to see what it actually says. Not that it bothers me, I prefer Hans Christian Anderson when it comes to fairy stories.
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: Orwells ghost. Try reading the bible. I'm an atheist. All religions promote hate and bigotry. Ure a typical right winger. Every 1 who disagrees with u is a Marxist. He was right about religion. The EDL is racist. U dont know much about Marx. Only his name.[/p][/quote]Why don't you try reading the Bible? To read the unabridged version you'll have to travel to the Vatican where you'll be refused permission to see what it actually says. Not that it bothers me, I prefer Hans Christian Anderson when it comes to fairy stories. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

8:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
How tragic that a message of peace and equality gets you downvoted, while people ranting about a threat that does not exist here get a good old thumbs up. What a farce.

Rest assured it's just some EDL baboons hitting refresh 30 times.
Either EDL or their UKIP and BNP pals doing the downvoting. And please don't compare them to baboons, that's insulting to the poor animals, will tapeworms do instead?
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]How tragic that a message of peace and equality gets you downvoted, while people ranting about a threat that does not exist here get a good old thumbs up. What a farce. Rest assured it's just some EDL baboons hitting refresh 30 times.[/p][/quote]Either EDL or their UKIP and BNP pals doing the downvoting. And please don't compare them to baboons, that's insulting to the poor animals, will tapeworms do instead? breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

8:39pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

Who agrees with Isis??...
Who agrees with Isis??... gonzo123
  • Score: -7

8:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

MrsF82 wrote:
forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
My point exactly. They couldn't pick a more irrelevant place to march, and I'd like to think they won't get any support at all, but I know that's unrealistic - as you can see from the comment voting here, you don't have to actually be experiencing a lot of immigration / exposure to other races and religions to be a moronic bigot.

As I said, they're just here for a seaside jolly - other people might go on a fishing or golfing holiday, they go for drinking and a fight. It's their hobby.
Having a very dry sense of humour I have to chuckle over these right wing morons getting thoroughly plastered on foreign lagers rather than traditional British bitters.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]My point exactly. They couldn't pick a more irrelevant place to march, and I'd like to think they won't get any support at all, but I know that's unrealistic - as you can see from the comment voting here, you don't have to actually be experiencing a lot of immigration / exposure to other races and religions to be a moronic bigot. As I said, they're just here for a seaside jolly - other people might go on a fishing or golfing holiday, they go for drinking and a fight. It's their hobby.[/p][/quote]Having a very dry sense of humour I have to chuckle over these right wing morons getting thoroughly plastered on foreign lagers rather than traditional British bitters. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you
The 2014 Nobel prize for literature is hereby awarded to gonzo123. Well it might have been if he knew that it's "their own", "their country" and "placard". Do we have laws in this country that ban right wingers from going to school?
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you[/p][/quote]The 2014 Nobel prize for literature is hereby awarded to gonzo123. Well it might have been if he knew that it's "their own", "their country" and "placard". Do we have laws in this country that ban right wingers from going to school? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

A N Archist says...

Im not a communist. Plonka.
Im not a communist. Plonka. A N Archist
  • Score: -1

9:04pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

"What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders"

EDL's finest
"What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders" EDL's finest Bob49
  • Score: 11

9:05pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Mejulie1967 says...

ashleycross wrote:
Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.
or we can see the people that are actually sick to death of the UK being the laughing stock of the world with its pathetic justice system and weak stance on extremists...we can all applaud those that do something and make a stand against it instead of just moaning about it.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.[/p][/quote]or we can see the people that are actually sick to death of the UK being the laughing stock of the world with its pathetic justice system and weak stance on extremists...we can all applaud those that do something and make a stand against it instead of just moaning about it. Mejulie1967
  • Score: 4

9:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

old duffa says...

JAMES FOLEY...............
..........

march on people ,we need to stand up to extremist from isis
JAMES FOLEY............... .......... march on people ,we need to stand up to extremist from isis old duffa
  • Score: 5

9:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

davidh1975 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist

" to a religion.

Mods v Rockers
Punks v Skins
Left v Right
Millwall v West Ham
Squaddies v Locals

Plus la change!
EDL is not far right
Neither are UKIP or the BNP, they're all organisations full of lovely, sweet people who believe in flower power. Well actually no, so all I've just read above is a brain dead comment from a brain dead reader in support of a brain dead organisation. Enjoy the fighting won't you, just your scene I take it?
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: For my sins I was a member of a far-right organisation during some of my (mis-spent) youth in the midlands. To be perfectly honest the attraction of membership did not have much to do with politics or religion, it had more to do with the prospect plenty of bovver & aggro washed down with illiberal amounts of lager. I doubt much has changed - and this is also part of the attraction for the antis and even for some of the young men making out they are "fundamentalist " to a religion. Mods v Rockers Punks v Skins Left v Right Millwall v West Ham Squaddies v Locals Plus la change![/p][/quote]EDL is not far right[/p][/quote]Neither are UKIP or the BNP, they're all organisations full of lovely, sweet people who believe in flower power. Well actually no, so all I've just read above is a brain dead comment from a brain dead reader in support of a brain dead organisation. Enjoy the fighting won't you, just your scene I take it? breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

9:24pm Wed 20 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

gonzo123 wrote:
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm[/p][/quote]Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

9:40pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Martin Neimoller "I did not speak out".
Martin Neimoller "I did not speak out". ashleycross
  • Score: 7

9:47pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

old duffa wrote:
JAMES FOLEY...............

..........

march on people ,we need to stand up to extremist from isis
Yes. As long as you take care to stay several thousand miles away from where they actually are.
[quote][p][bold]old duffa[/bold] wrote: JAMES FOLEY............... .......... march on people ,we need to stand up to extremist from isis[/p][/quote]Yes. As long as you take care to stay several thousand miles away from where they actually are. Rotterdam
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you
The 2014 Nobel prize for literature is hereby awarded to gonzo123. Well it might have been if he knew that it's "their own", "their country" and "placard". Do we have laws in this country that ban right wingers from going to school?
Bore off you little twit
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you[/p][/quote]The 2014 Nobel prize for literature is hereby awarded to gonzo123. Well it might have been if he knew that it's "their own", "their country" and "placard". Do we have laws in this country that ban right wingers from going to school?[/p][/quote]Bore off you little twit gonzo123
  • Score: -3

9:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Judging by the film of them in Weymouth they were an excellent advertisement for voting in as many muslim councillors as possible in the hopes of getting the drunks off the streets, off licences off every corner, booze out of supermarkets and the pubs shut either completely or at least for most of the day like they used to be.
That's what the protest is for, to try to keep Britain drunk and disorderly, as they like it.
Judging by the film of them in Weymouth they were an excellent advertisement for voting in as many muslim councillors as possible in the hopes of getting the drunks off the streets, off licences off every corner, booze out of supermarkets and the pubs shut either completely or at least for most of the day like they used to be. That's what the protest is for, to try to keep Britain drunk and disorderly, as they like it. ashleycross
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

breamoreboy wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.
OMG! Did you really just start a sentence with a coordinating conjunction :)
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm[/p][/quote]Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.[/p][/quote]OMG! Did you really just start a sentence with a coordinating conjunction :) Marty Caine
  • Score: -2

9:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ifordcherry says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain?

I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely.

I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab.

No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too.

It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
It would be a better country if YOU left....Who the f do you think you are ??They are welcome as the negative versus positive votes on this story tell you !!! BUT NO of course not !! Everybody else is not worthy of a comment that the majority support unless it agrees with the claptrap that you are spouting !!....Grow up and face reality fool !!
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.[/p][/quote]It would be a better country if YOU left....Who the f do you think you are ??They are welcome as the negative versus positive votes on this story tell you !!! BUT NO of course not !! Everybody else is not worthy of a comment that the majority support unless it agrees with the claptrap that you are spouting !!....Grow up and face reality fool !! ifordcherry
  • Score: 0

9:53pm Wed 20 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.
You can bore off too lol who cares about the **** I certainly don't. Men want to be me women want to be with me so do one you little looser keyboard wariorr
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm[/p][/quote]Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.[/p][/quote]You can bore off too lol who cares about the **** I certainly don't. Men want to be me women want to be with me so do one you little looser keyboard wariorr gonzo123
  • Score: -9

9:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrPitiful says...

BournemouthGuy wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff.

If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either.

I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace.

I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?
What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?"

are you anti gay?
Anti-Gay?

I've got an Uncle Phil if that's any help.

I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, stop looking for an excuse to accuse somebody of something and read my post again.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff. If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either. I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace. I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?[/p][/quote]What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?" are you anti gay?[/p][/quote]Anti-Gay? I've got an Uncle Phil if that's any help. I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, stop looking for an excuse to accuse somebody of something and read my post again. MrPitiful
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MrPitiful says...

BournemouthGuy wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff.

If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either.

I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace.

I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?
What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?"

are you anti gay?
Anti-Gay?

I've got an Uncle Phil if that's any help.

I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, stop looking for an excuse to accuse somebody of something and read my post again.
[quote][p][bold]BournemouthGuy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: Wetherspoons will do well out of it. I just hope all the EDL folk who come from out of town are ok with having their beers served by all the foreign bar staff. If they are going to march up the hill to West Cliff, I wonder which boozer they will end their Bank Holiday jolly in? There's the Shamrock & Hop Inn - 2 places they're welcome to as the beers not too clever in either. I wish they would make their plans more clearer because some of us need to work out our Saturday afternoon pub & football sessions where we can be in peace. I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?[/p][/quote]What do you mean when you say " I suppose a few of them might get "lost" and end up around the Triangle?" are you anti gay?[/p][/quote]Anti-Gay? I've got an Uncle Phil if that's any help. I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, stop looking for an excuse to accuse somebody of something and read my post again. MrPitiful
  • Score: 0

9:58pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Rotterdam wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE
On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent.

Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments.

Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.
I haven't contributed since the start of the thread but can I just say, in a Bruce Forsyth style, to MrsF82 that you're by far my favourite poster on here and please stick around.
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE[/p][/quote]On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent. Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments. Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.[/p][/quote]I haven't contributed since the start of the thread but can I just say, in a Bruce Forsyth style, to MrsF82 that you're by far my favourite poster on here and please stick around. Baysider
  • Score: 3

10:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

ifordcherry wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain?

I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely.

I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab.

No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too.

It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
It would be a better country if YOU left....Who the f do you think you are ??They are welcome as the negative versus positive votes on this story tell you !!! BUT NO of course not !! Everybody else is not worthy of a comment that the majority support unless it agrees with the claptrap that you are spouting !!....Grow up and face reality fool !!
Seriously, Ifordcherry, you would do yourself a favour by actually reading what she says.

Most people want to live in a tolerant country which accepts people and viewpoints from all over the world and that allows freedom of speech. Sure, we recognize that extremist views need to be monitored and sometimes curtailed or criminalized when they might lead to intolerance and violence. That goes as much for the EDL as anybody.

The only thing the negative vs positive votes here tell us is that sensible tolerant people have better things to do with their time than come over here to trade insults with a bunch of fascists.

Come the day of the march/pissup I think you'll find they are NOT welcome.
[quote][p][bold]ifordcherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.[/p][/quote]It would be a better country if YOU left....Who the f do you think you are ??They are welcome as the negative versus positive votes on this story tell you !!! BUT NO of course not !! Everybody else is not worthy of a comment that the majority support unless it agrees with the claptrap that you are spouting !!....Grow up and face reality fool !![/p][/quote]Seriously, Ifordcherry, you would do yourself a favour by actually reading what she says. Most people want to live in a tolerant country which accepts people and viewpoints from all over the world and that allows freedom of speech. Sure, we recognize that extremist views need to be monitored and sometimes curtailed or criminalized when they might lead to intolerance and violence. That goes as much for the EDL as anybody. The only thing the negative vs positive votes here tell us is that sensible tolerant people have better things to do with their time than come over here to trade insults with a bunch of fascists. Come the day of the march/pissup I think you'll find they are NOT welcome. Rotterdam
  • Score: 6

10:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

When I started work I was told 3 things not mention because it upsets some people , they were Politics, Religion and Football. sounds like good advice.
When I started work I was told 3 things not mention because it upsets some people , they were Politics, Religion and Football. sounds like good advice. Lord Spring
  • Score: -3

10:14pm Wed 20 Aug 14

enjoy the silence says...

Rather the EDL than ISIS. This country has gone to the dogs. Wait till all these extremists come back from Iraq and Syria and start beheading people in our streets (in fact this has already happened with Lee Rigby RIP). I'm not a supporter of EDL but at least they are trying to stand up for Britain which is more than our government are doing.
Rather the EDL than ISIS. This country has gone to the dogs. Wait till all these extremists come back from Iraq and Syria and start beheading people in our streets (in fact this has already happened with Lee Rigby RIP). I'm not a supporter of EDL but at least they are trying to stand up for Britain which is more than our government are doing. enjoy the silence
  • Score: 7

10:51pm Wed 20 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

Lord Spring wrote:
When I started work I was told 3 things not mention because it upsets some people , they were Politics, Religion and Football. sounds like good advice.
Discourse should never be discouraged, if you've got something interesting to say then there is no reason any of these subjects should be a taboo in any environment.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: When I started work I was told 3 things not mention because it upsets some people , they were Politics, Religion and Football. sounds like good advice.[/p][/quote]Discourse should never be discouraged, if you've got something interesting to say then there is no reason any of these subjects should be a taboo in any environment. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Wageslave says...

gonzo123 wrote:
With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.
We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English. Wageslave
  • Score: -7

11:22pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ragj195 says...

Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
Have you considered switching to E:ON?
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]Have you considered switching to E:ON? ragj195
  • Score: 5

11:27pm Wed 20 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

Wageslave wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.
We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.
Population of the UK is about 65 million of which less than 4 million are Muslim.

Population of Dorset is about 3/4 of a million of which 98.8% is white.

Although no studies have been conducted in the UK, in France before the ban out of a population of 2 million Muslim women only about 2000 wore the Burqa.

Thinking you are in any way a minority in this Country and especially this county is ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.[/p][/quote]Population of the UK is about 65 million of which less than 4 million are Muslim. Population of Dorset is about 3/4 of a million of which 98.8% is white. Although no studies have been conducted in the UK, in France before the ban out of a population of 2 million Muslim women only about 2000 wore the Burqa. Thinking you are in any way a minority in this Country and especially this county is ridiculous. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 3

11:37pm Wed 20 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Wageslave wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.
We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.
Did you ask them if they were visitors or residents before you got your knickers in a twist? Bournemouth is a tourist town; thousands of people visit from overseas every year and last time I checked it wasn't compulsory they learnt English. It's the height of summer not every person you see on the streets of Bournemouth lives here permanently, plenty of people are here visiting and taking in the gorgeous town...which is unfortunately spoilt by some of it's judgemental residents.
[quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.[/p][/quote]Did you ask them if they were visitors or residents before you got your knickers in a twist? Bournemouth is a tourist town; thousands of people visit from overseas every year and last time I checked it wasn't compulsory they learnt English. It's the height of summer not every person you see on the streets of Bournemouth lives here permanently, plenty of people are here visiting and taking in the gorgeous town...which is unfortunately spoilt by some of it's judgemental residents. rozmister
  • Score: 7

11:52pm Wed 20 Aug 14

ragj195 says...

A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st!
A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st! ragj195
  • Score: -2

12:02am Thu 21 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
Behave!! We have a much higher Jewish population in Bmth. They've never had any problems here or caused them but then they don't do the persecuting unless you watch the BBC.
.
I hate all religions in general because their purpose always seems to be to preach for control but I particularly and thoroughly detest a religion that encourages beheadings of infidels and non believers.
.
I fully support the EDL in their march and will be there to march for freedom once again. The UK would be a far better place without any trace of islam.
[quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]Behave!! We have a much higher Jewish population in Bmth. They've never had any problems here or caused them but then they don't do the persecuting unless you watch the BBC. . I hate all religions in general because their purpose always seems to be to preach for control but I particularly and thoroughly detest a religion that encourages beheadings of infidels and non believers. . I fully support the EDL in their march and will be there to march for freedom once again. The UK would be a far better place without any trace of islam. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -3

12:21am Thu 21 Aug 14

rozmister says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
Behave!! We have a much higher Jewish population in Bmth. They've never had any problems here or caused them but then they don't do the persecuting unless you watch the BBC.
.
I hate all religions in general because their purpose always seems to be to preach for control but I particularly and thoroughly detest a religion that encourages beheadings of infidels and non believers.
.
I fully support the EDL in their march and will be there to march for freedom once again. The UK would be a far better place without any trace of islam.
Yeh our jewish community have never had any problems in Bournemouth...http:/
/www.bournemouthecho
.co.uk/news/913949.a
ntisemitic_attacks_r
ise_sparks_concern/
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]Behave!! We have a much higher Jewish population in Bmth. They've never had any problems here or caused them but then they don't do the persecuting unless you watch the BBC. . I hate all religions in general because their purpose always seems to be to preach for control but I particularly and thoroughly detest a religion that encourages beheadings of infidels and non believers. . I fully support the EDL in their march and will be there to march for freedom once again. The UK would be a far better place without any trace of islam.[/p][/quote]Yeh our jewish community have never had any problems in Bournemouth...http:/ /www.bournemouthecho .co.uk/news/913949.a ntisemitic_attacks_r ise_sparks_concern/ rozmister
  • Score: 4

1:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

ragj195 wrote:
A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st!
..... and white
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st![/p][/quote]..... and white Bob49
  • Score: -3

5:28am Thu 21 Aug 14

Nigel Blumenthal says...

forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
You can't make that assumption, forest-dweller. Muslims can and do come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Are you getting a religion (Muslim) confused with racial origin (colour)? I'm sure you don't mean to be racist, but it's exactly that kind of unthinking comment that really is racist.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]You can't make that assumption, forest-dweller. Muslims can and do come in all shapes, sizes and colours. Are you getting a religion (Muslim) confused with racial origin (colour)? I'm sure you don't mean to be racist, but it's exactly that kind of unthinking comment that really is racist. Nigel Blumenthal
  • Score: 2

7:24am Thu 21 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

ragj195 wrote:
Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
Have you considered switching to E:ON?
I am with EDF fixed price till February 2016,
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]Have you considered switching to E:ON?[/p][/quote]I am with EDF fixed price till February 2016, Lord Spring
  • Score: 2

8:41am Thu 21 Aug 14

Waverider says...

kevinms wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.
If you're gay, then you should be protesting against islam as they persecute and hang gays. Be thankful you don't live somewhere like Iran or Saudi
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.[/p][/quote]If you're gay, then you should be protesting against islam as they persecute and hang gays. Be thankful you don't live somewhere like Iran or Saudi Waverider
  • Score: 3

8:46am Thu 21 Aug 14

dean3020 says...

davidh1975 wrote:
dean3020 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.
Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dean3020[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.[/p][/quote]Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.[/p][/quote]I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens dean3020
  • Score: 0

8:47am Thu 21 Aug 14

rusty james says...

After ploughing through this thread may I just say, on behalf of rational, progressive thinkers;

Mrs.F82,
Thank you.
After ploughing through this thread may I just say, on behalf of rational, progressive thinkers; Mrs.F82, Thank you. rusty james
  • Score: 3

8:55am Thu 21 Aug 14

dean3020 says...

davidh1975 wrote:
dean3020 wrote:
ShuttleX wrote:
Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.
Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.
Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.
Also, I wouldn't say that lies and misinformation are my 'only tools'- i do have an A level & degree in Politics plus several years of campaign experience- if any of that counts for anything in your toolbox?
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dean3020[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: Hope the EDL protestors have had their hair done. Both the Police, and the Council plan on filming the event so they can identify every supporter. Funny enough, there are no plans to film the other protest. That pretty much sums up this Country now. Muslims can walk down the street waving placards saying "kill all non Muslims" Yet the EDL are the ones who are deemed racists. You don't see Muslims coming out on the street to condemn their extremists. I'm glad I left the Untie Union. They are run by die hard activists who are so far up their own butts, it's a surprise they can see daylight. As for David Stokes, I've met the man. Hopefully he will have no chance of winning an election. I wouldn't trust the bloke to run a toilet, let alone the Country. He is a typical politician. He will prostitute himself in any way as long as he gets his name in the papers. He has no plans except to get elected.[/p][/quote]Assuming you don't pay council tax then? Because I do and personally I think that, all things considered, the Police's resources are best spent at the EDL march rather than the counter march. I'm just playing the odds- where is the trouble likely to be? a.) a march of people who want a divisive country or b.) a march of people who want an inclusive country? My money would be on the ones who want a divisive country- the tolerant protesters are more likely to be peaceful than the intolerant protestors- not necessarily, but likely.[/p][/quote]Lies and misinformation are your only tools. There is an EDL demo somewhere every month in this country. Time and time again the left wing counter protesters have proven themselves more aggressive and violent. Time and time again more of these ANTIFA, UAF, BHstopEDL, Unite union types have been arrested than the EDL people. This is a simple objective fact that anyone with basic internet skills can look up.[/p][/quote]Also, I wouldn't say that lies and misinformation are my 'only tools'- i do have an A level & degree in Politics plus several years of campaign experience- if any of that counts for anything in your toolbox? dean3020
  • Score: 5

9:10am Thu 21 Aug 14

Waverider says...

kevinms wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.
Absolutely amazing that lefties and Islamic appeasers are quite happy to bleat on and protest about the likes of EDL marching against extremism or Israel defending itself against Hamas BUT are deafeningly quiet when it comes to protesting against Christian women and children being murdered in Syria & Iraq by ISIS for refusing to convert to Islam.

I haven't seen any Bournemouth muslims or lefties protest against those atrocities or anything else for that matter that has to do with Islamic extremism.

And for all the idiots out there who still don't get....Islam is NOT a race duh!!
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.[/p][/quote]Absolutely amazing that lefties and Islamic appeasers are quite happy to bleat on and protest about the likes of EDL marching against extremism or Israel defending itself against Hamas BUT are deafeningly quiet when it comes to protesting against Christian women and children being murdered in Syria & Iraq by ISIS for refusing to convert to Islam. I haven't seen any Bournemouth muslims or lefties protest against those atrocities or anything else for that matter that has to do with Islamic extremism. And for all the idiots out there who still don't get....Islam is NOT a race duh!! Waverider
  • Score: 6

9:26am Thu 21 Aug 14

Mr Southbourne says...

Hope this county wakes up before it's too late. Whatever you think of the EDL, the advance of jihadism in the last decade is worrying. The neutral comments, messages for peace, desperate political correctness etc are hopeful but not well intentioned - mostly they're from the weak & those in denial, and I hope in decades ahead we won't be saying with bitter regret 'why didn't we act'? Racism or any form of persecution is disgusting, but when it involves killing with the aim to convert everyone to the same religion, it takes a new level. The EDL aren't the right tools to fight this problem, but someone needs to. That said, for now (contradicting myself here) I'll stay well away from Saturday's activities, find somewhere peaceful & enjoy spending time in what (for now) is our wonderful Great Britain.
Hope this county wakes up before it's too late. Whatever you think of the EDL, the advance of jihadism in the last decade is worrying. The neutral comments, messages for peace, desperate political correctness etc are hopeful but not well intentioned - mostly they're from the weak & those in denial, and I hope in decades ahead we won't be saying with bitter regret 'why didn't we act'? Racism or any form of persecution is disgusting, but when it involves killing with the aim to convert everyone to the same religion, it takes a new level. The EDL aren't the right tools to fight this problem, but someone needs to. That said, for now (contradicting myself here) I'll stay well away from Saturday's activities, find somewhere peaceful & enjoy spending time in what (for now) is our wonderful Great Britain. Mr Southbourne
  • Score: 7

9:27am Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

breamoreboy wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
My point exactly. They couldn't pick a more irrelevant place to march, and I'd like to think they won't get any support at all, but I know that's unrealistic - as you can see from the comment voting here, you don't have to actually be experiencing a lot of immigration / exposure to other races and religions to be a moronic bigot.

As I said, they're just here for a seaside jolly - other people might go on a fishing or golfing holiday, they go for drinking and a fight. It's their hobby.
Having a very dry sense of humour I have to chuckle over these right wing morons getting thoroughly plastered on foreign lagers rather than traditional British bitters.
Like Fosters for example, which is brewed in the UK?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]My point exactly. They couldn't pick a more irrelevant place to march, and I'd like to think they won't get any support at all, but I know that's unrealistic - as you can see from the comment voting here, you don't have to actually be experiencing a lot of immigration / exposure to other races and religions to be a moronic bigot. As I said, they're just here for a seaside jolly - other people might go on a fishing or golfing holiday, they go for drinking and a fight. It's their hobby.[/p][/quote]Having a very dry sense of humour I have to chuckle over these right wing morons getting thoroughly plastered on foreign lagers rather than traditional British bitters.[/p][/quote]Like Fosters for example, which is brewed in the UK? bogtrotter
  • Score: 0

9:35am Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

ragj195 wrote:
A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st!
Or it might be due to the fact that the Polish aren't involved in extremist terrorism affecting our country. Stick to the story at hand.
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st![/p][/quote]Or it might be due to the fact that the Polish aren't involved in extremist terrorism affecting our country. Stick to the story at hand. bogtrotter
  • Score: 1

9:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

Lump1e69 says...

Gooby! wrote:
EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority.

Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking
Darn, I'm so glad I'm with Southern Electric!!
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: EDF a group of people who do not see the conflict between an extreme bunch of racists protesting against an extreme minority. Lets hope the idiots progress their march into the sea and keep walking[/p][/quote]Darn, I'm so glad I'm with Southern Electric!! Lump1e69
  • Score: 2

10:06am Thu 21 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

Reading the above comments, the EDL have achieved their ideals before going G on the march. They have you arguing against each other, and we all know arguing does not achieve anything. This is what these antis demonstrators do. Antagonise others to insight their ideals against others. The words English Defence alone says they are anti that is not English, and not just the bad Islam/Muslim Terrorists. Do we want this on our streets. It will entice reprisals. We can be assured of that.
Reading the above comments, the EDL have achieved their ideals before going G on the march. They have you arguing against each other, and we all know arguing does not achieve anything. This is what these antis demonstrators do. Antagonise others to insight their ideals against others. The words English Defence alone says they are anti that is not English, and not just the bad Islam/Muslim Terrorists. Do we want this on our streets. It will entice reprisals. We can be assured of that. TheDistrict
  • Score: -1

11:00am Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Bob49 wrote:
"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?[/p][/quote]Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence. bogtrotter
  • Score: -3

11:20am Thu 21 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

bogtrotter wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.
No my friend

MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again.

I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?[/p][/quote]Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.[/p][/quote]No my friend MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again. I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form. Rotterdam
  • Score: 3

11:25am Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Rotterdam wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.
No my friend

MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again.

I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.
So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?[/p][/quote]Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.[/p][/quote]No my friend MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again. I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.[/p][/quote]So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'. bogtrotter
  • Score: -1

11:40am Thu 21 Aug 14

ASM says...

Ahtafcb wrote:
wow, the negative scores for anyone who says anything against edl on here seem to show how many ignorant people there really are in bournemouth! Its just an excuse to get drunk, be confrontational ....these people dont even know what theyre protesting against. you only have to type in edl into youtube and get videos of gormless idiots waving the england flag shouting ' they got muslamic ray guns innit'. Bournemouth is a town that should not be concerning itself with Isis and such groups... if they want to protest go to Iraq !! i feel sorry for all the foriegn students and tourists who will encounter these morons over the weekend....
JUST A HANDFUL OF RACIST IDIOTS DISLIKING EVERY NON-RACIST COMMENT SEVERAL TIMES
[quote][p][bold]Ahtafcb[/bold] wrote: wow, the negative scores for anyone who says anything against edl on here seem to show how many ignorant people there really are in bournemouth! Its just an excuse to get drunk, be confrontational ....these people dont even know what theyre protesting against. you only have to type in edl into youtube and get videos of gormless idiots waving the england flag shouting ' they got muslamic ray guns innit'. Bournemouth is a town that should not be concerning itself with Isis and such groups... if they want to protest go to Iraq !! i feel sorry for all the foriegn students and tourists who will encounter these morons over the weekend....[/p][/quote]JUST A HANDFUL OF RACIST IDIOTS DISLIKING EVERY NON-RACIST COMMENT SEVERAL TIMES ASM
  • Score: -3

11:45am Thu 21 Aug 14

l'anglais says...

davidh1975 wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Who cares?
Little people with little intelligence...

Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP
and you claim they have low intelligence. EDL is nothing like the BNP. There is a huge void between them on the political spectrum kind of like the one between your ears :-) You sound like you are closer to goose stepping than the EDL the way you use lies, misinformation and propaganda rather than reasoned objectivity to counter someone you disagree with.............
Why would I waste my time engaging with people who hold beliefs that are......actually...
.time up
[quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Who cares? Little people with little intelligence... Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP[/p][/quote]and you claim they have low intelligence. EDL is nothing like the BNP. There is a huge void between them on the political spectrum kind of like the one between your ears :-) You sound like you are closer to goose stepping than the EDL the way you use lies, misinformation and propaganda rather than reasoned objectivity to counter someone you disagree with.............[/p][/quote]Why would I waste my time engaging with people who hold beliefs that are......actually... .time up l'anglais
  • Score: 2

11:49am Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

l'anglais wrote:
davidh1975 wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Who cares?
Little people with little intelligence...

Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP
and you claim they have low intelligence. EDL is nothing like the BNP. There is a huge void between them on the political spectrum kind of like the one between your ears :-) You sound like you are closer to goose stepping than the EDL the way you use lies, misinformation and propaganda rather than reasoned objectivity to counter someone you disagree with.............
Why would I waste my time engaging with people who hold beliefs that are......actually...

.time up
'different to mine?' Enough said.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidh1975[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Who cares? Little people with little intelligence... Let them goose step to their hearts content... the only democratic impact they will have is they might get a few UKIP votes to swing to the BNP[/p][/quote]and you claim they have low intelligence. EDL is nothing like the BNP. There is a huge void between them on the political spectrum kind of like the one between your ears :-) You sound like you are closer to goose stepping than the EDL the way you use lies, misinformation and propaganda rather than reasoned objectivity to counter someone you disagree with.............[/p][/quote]Why would I waste my time engaging with people who hold beliefs that are......actually... .time up[/p][/quote]'different to mine?' Enough said. bogtrotter
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

bogtrotter wrote:
Rotterdam wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.
No my friend

MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again.

I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.
So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.
I suppose what suggests that you aren't approaching this with an open mind is the fact that nowhere in this long thread do you actually address any of MrsF82's arguments.

MrsF82 does address in great detail and very intelligently the arguments proposed by the EDL, whether that is their underlying (violent and intolerant) agenda or the 'EDL-lite' version peddled for public consumption by people like Davidh1975
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?[/p][/quote]Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.[/p][/quote]No my friend MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again. I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.[/p][/quote]So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.[/p][/quote]I suppose what suggests that you aren't approaching this with an open mind is the fact that nowhere in this long thread do you actually address any of MrsF82's arguments. MrsF82 does address in great detail and very intelligently the arguments proposed by the EDL, whether that is their underlying (violent and intolerant) agenda or the 'EDL-lite' version peddled for public consumption by people like Davidh1975 Rotterdam
  • Score: 3

1:46pm Thu 21 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Rotterdam wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
Rotterdam wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.
No my friend

MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again.

I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.
So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.
I suppose what suggests that you aren't approaching this with an open mind is the fact that nowhere in this long thread do you actually address any of MrsF82's arguments.

MrsF82 does address in great detail and very intelligently the arguments proposed by the EDL, whether that is their underlying (violent and intolerant) agenda or the 'EDL-lite' version peddled for public consumption by people like Davidh1975
What? This is just odd. I challenged her stereotype that all EDL people are 'Thugs, Racists, Fascists, Hooligans, Drunks' etc etc. It's just utterly boring when someone saying a group of people are this and that and state that they themselves stereotype muslins and others when that is all she does herself. Thick as sh*t I'm afraid. How can what has been said and quoted in the article (i.e. all are welcome to protest against Islamic extremism) be proved wrong prior to the march? It can't can it.
[quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?[/p][/quote]Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.[/p][/quote]No my friend MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again. I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.[/p][/quote]So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.[/p][/quote]I suppose what suggests that you aren't approaching this with an open mind is the fact that nowhere in this long thread do you actually address any of MrsF82's arguments. MrsF82 does address in great detail and very intelligently the arguments proposed by the EDL, whether that is their underlying (violent and intolerant) agenda or the 'EDL-lite' version peddled for public consumption by people like Davidh1975[/p][/quote]What? This is just odd. I challenged her stereotype that all EDL people are 'Thugs, Racists, Fascists, Hooligans, Drunks' etc etc. It's just utterly boring when someone saying a group of people are this and that and state that they themselves stereotype muslins and others when that is all she does herself. Thick as sh*t I'm afraid. How can what has been said and quoted in the article (i.e. all are welcome to protest against Islamic extremism) be proved wrong prior to the march? It can't can it. bogtrotter
  • Score: -4

2:32pm Thu 21 Aug 14

Rotterdam says...

bogtrotter wrote:
Rotterdam wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
Rotterdam wrote:
bogtrotter wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
"#Owned"


oh dear

does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?
Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.
No my friend

MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again.

I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.
So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.
I suppose what suggests that you aren't approaching this with an open mind is the fact that nowhere in this long thread do you actually address any of MrsF82's arguments.

MrsF82 does address in great detail and very intelligently the arguments proposed by the EDL, whether that is their underlying (violent and intolerant) agenda or the 'EDL-lite' version peddled for public consumption by people like Davidh1975
What? This is just odd. I challenged her stereotype that all EDL people are 'Thugs, Racists, Fascists, Hooligans, Drunks' etc etc. It's just utterly boring when someone saying a group of people are this and that and state that they themselves stereotype muslins and others when that is all she does herself. Thick as sh*t I'm afraid. How can what has been said and quoted in the article (i.e. all are welcome to protest against Islamic extremism) be proved wrong prior to the march? It can't can it.
Stereotyping EDL members and stereotyping muslims are not remotely comparable.

The EDL are a self-selected very small minority. Anybody who joins the EDL knows what they are in for (otherwise why not join, say, UKIP?). Muslims, on the other hand, are members of a major world religion which can encompass many different world views and attitudes, so to attempt to align them all with extremists (as the EDL do) is unjustified stereotyping.

Describing the EDL as "Thugs, Racists, Fascists, Hooligans, Drunks" is about as controversial as describing ISIS as "barbaric medieval extremists".

But ISIS are no more representative of muslims in general than the EDL is representative of me.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "#Owned" oh dear does anyone over the age of 12 use such expressions ?[/p][/quote]Yes. However, it is only to be used when someone gets completely outdone in a debate, as is the case with MrsF82 on this chain, hence her sudden silence.[/p][/quote]No my friend MrsF82 has said everything that needs to be said on this subject, and doesn't really need to say it again. I suggest you go back and read her posts with an open mind. Note especially that she is explicit that she does NOT support Islamic extremism in any form.[/p][/quote]So anyone that disagrees doesn't have an open mind? Surely that's contradictory as it proves she doesn't have an open mind to appreciate opinions to the contrary? I can't believe I have to repeat it but if you read the article and the comments from EDL chap, how does that warrant the floods of abuse laid at the EDL's feet? In short, it doesn't. Utterly stereotypical and at the same time, hypocritical. Her rules are, 'My opinion is right, don't dare disagree'.[/p][/quote]I suppose what suggests that you aren't approaching this with an open mind is the fact that nowhere in this long thread do you actually address any of MrsF82's arguments. MrsF82 does address in great detail and very intelligently the arguments proposed by the EDL, whether that is their underlying (violent and intolerant) agenda or the 'EDL-lite' version peddled for public consumption by people like Davidh1975[/p][/quote]What? This is just odd. I challenged her stereotype that all EDL people are 'Thugs, Racists, Fascists, Hooligans, Drunks' etc etc. It's just utterly boring when someone saying a group of people are this and that and state that they themselves stereotype muslins and others when that is all she does herself. Thick as sh*t I'm afraid. How can what has been said and quoted in the article (i.e. all are welcome to protest against Islamic extremism) be proved wrong prior to the march? It can't can it.[/p][/quote]Stereotyping EDL members and stereotyping muslims are not remotely comparable. The EDL are a self-selected very small minority. Anybody who joins the EDL knows what they are in for (otherwise why not join, say, UKIP?). Muslims, on the other hand, are members of a major world religion which can encompass many different world views and attitudes, so to attempt to align them all with extremists (as the EDL do) is unjustified stereotyping. Describing the EDL as "Thugs, Racists, Fascists, Hooligans, Drunks" is about as controversial as describing ISIS as "barbaric medieval extremists". But ISIS are no more representative of muslims in general than the EDL is representative of me. Rotterdam
  • Score: 5

8:17pm Thu 21 Aug 14

cromwell9 says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain?

I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely.

I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab.

No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too.

It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.
Your comments are all over the place.some comments you make dont make sense,
(QUOTE,) The increasing support for UKIP.that make me ashamed to be British .
UKIP has support from all comunities and faiths,including Muslums,.I think you should sit down and do some research on the above ,and re-write your comments,.
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: Well that makes sense. If I wanted to protest against the "Islamisation of Britain", what better location than one of the whitest, least diverse counties in Britain? I'm sure it's not just a bunch of football hooligans who want a seaside ****-up. Definitely. I hope the people of Bournemouth turn up in force to make it clear that they are not welcome here. I want to go, but as an opinionated, mouthy, liberal woman, I doubt I'd come out of the encounter uninjured. Based on what I've seen on them, the only thing they'd hate more than women like me are women like me wearing a hijab. No doubt someone will accuse me of being in support of terrorists. You couldn't be more wrong. I am a very tolerant person, but what I don't tolerate is bigoted people, and people who use their bigotries as an excuse to spread hate, fear and violence. In this way, EDL are terrorists too. It's groups like this and Britain First, and the increasing support for UKIP, that make me ashamed to be English or British. I hope the hard-working immigrants of this country, who contribute to our economy more than many British people and take the jobs refused by those at the job centre, understand that these people do not represent us. If they hate the way the country is going so much, I wish THEY would just leave. I guarantee it would be a more pleasant country without them - and then there's more room for immigrants who actually want to build a life for themselves and their families, while living here peacefully as the vast majority do. These people are absolute scum. I hope they have such a negative experience here that they would never dream of returning - Bournemouth, get your banners ready and make sure they know they're not welcome. That might just restore some of my pride in this country.[/p][/quote]Your comments are all over the place.some comments you make dont make sense, (QUOTE,) The increasing support for UKIP.that make me ashamed to be British . UKIP has support from all comunities and faiths,including Muslums,.I think you should sit down and do some research on the above ,and re-write your comments,. cromwell9
  • Score: 2

11:23pm Thu 21 Aug 14

MrNobody says...

If people knew their history then they would realise that religious extremism has always been prevalent. Around the middle ages we were predominantly catholic and those who weren’t, such as jews, were persecuted and European countries tried to enforce ‘christianity’ farther afield in countries such as Palestine via the crusades . Later in history and over a few centuries and much bloodshed we then transitioned into a predominantly protestant country but not before many wars were fought with European catholic countries and much persecution on both sides within our own country.

Fortunately, both our country and Europe have, in the main, socially evolved to the extent that people of different religions can live together without killing each other simply because they believe in different things. The following statement may seem contentious but I really do believe that the violence and tribalism we see in the Middle East and Africa is because many have not socially evolved to the same extent. What we see in these regions is no different to what happened throughout Europe for the most part of the early to mid 20th Century. If you take Iraq for example, a power struggle between the Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims similar to Protestant and Catholics as aforementioned but the struggle in Iraq has been extremely complicated by “the west” shifting support (and thus power) between the two factions simply destabilises the country further.

So what can be done? I’m just a simple Dorset folk so I don’t know the answer to that. However I do know that the “western world” continually intervening in wars and trying to enforce “our way of living” to countries in the Middle East and Africa is only ever going to cause further trouble.

It could also be said that the reason some countries in these regions have not socially evolved to the extent that people, in the main, are prepared to live and let live, is because of constant intervention by the western world in order that we can exploit natural resources within the region, such as oil.

If we stopped our meddling in these countries now, would it end all the violence, I don’t know but I doubt it. Although I definitely think we need to do as little as possible to allow these regions to find their own way. I really do not believe the majority of people living in these countries want to live under such tyrannical organisations such as the Islamist State whose beliefs are set in stone from a period around 675AD and they believe that Islam beliefs based after Mohammed around 6000AD are morally corrupt. There will most probably be lots of bloodshed now and during the foreseeable future but the masses will rise up and kick out the IS at some point and then social evolve in their own way if they are given the chance without “western” meddling.

As for the EDL, I am sympathetic to the origins of why they were founded after some Islamists protested and shouted obscenities against troops parading in the streets of Luton on their homecoming from a tour of duty. I am also sympathetic to their stance about people in our country becoming “brainwashed” to pre-medieval ideology. However, if you scratch the surface it is very clear that the original EDL founding movement has been overwhelmed and taken over by the far right. Take me for example, I consider myself to have socialist views and you only have to look at their various literature and conversations on social media outlets (and this thread) to see they take a dim view of people with my political beliefs. So as for the EDL being non political, I don’t think so.

If, and it’s a big if, militant islamism took a hold in this country and things like Sharia law were enforced upon people then I would fight it, even if that meant taking up arms. However I would not fight shoulder to shoulder with many of those that follow under the EDL umbrella because, as much as I detest islamist extremism, I detest far right extremist just as much (and the same applies to the far left).
If people knew their history then they would realise that religious extremism has always been prevalent. Around the middle ages we were predominantly catholic and those who weren’t, such as jews, were persecuted and European countries tried to enforce ‘christianity’ farther afield in countries such as Palestine via the crusades . Later in history and over a few centuries and much bloodshed we then transitioned into a predominantly protestant country but not before many wars were fought with European catholic countries and much persecution on both sides within our own country. Fortunately, both our country and Europe have, in the main, socially evolved to the extent that people of different religions can live together without killing each other simply because they believe in different things. The following statement may seem contentious but I really do believe that the violence and tribalism we see in the Middle East and Africa is because many have not socially evolved to the same extent. What we see in these regions is no different to what happened throughout Europe for the most part of the early to mid 20th Century. If you take Iraq for example, a power struggle between the Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims similar to Protestant and Catholics as aforementioned but the struggle in Iraq has been extremely complicated by “the west” shifting support (and thus power) between the two factions simply destabilises the country further. So what can be done? I’m just a simple Dorset folk so I don’t know the answer to that. However I do know that the “western world” continually intervening in wars and trying to enforce “our way of living” to countries in the Middle East and Africa is only ever going to cause further trouble. It could also be said that the reason some countries in these regions have not socially evolved to the extent that people, in the main, are prepared to live and let live, is because of constant intervention by the western world in order that we can exploit natural resources within the region, such as oil. If we stopped our meddling in these countries now, would it end all the violence, I don’t know but I doubt it. Although I definitely think we need to do as little as possible to allow these regions to find their own way. I really do not believe the majority of people living in these countries want to live under such tyrannical organisations such as the Islamist State whose beliefs are set in stone from a period around 675AD and they believe that Islam beliefs based after Mohammed around 6000AD are morally corrupt. There will most probably be lots of bloodshed now and during the foreseeable future but the masses will rise up and kick out the IS at some point and then social evolve in their own way if they are given the chance without “western” meddling. As for the EDL, I am sympathetic to the origins of why they were founded after some Islamists protested and shouted obscenities against troops parading in the streets of Luton on their homecoming from a tour of duty. I am also sympathetic to their stance about people in our country becoming “brainwashed” to pre-medieval ideology. However, if you scratch the surface it is very clear that the original EDL founding movement has been overwhelmed and taken over by the far right. Take me for example, I consider myself to have socialist views and you only have to look at their various literature and conversations on social media outlets (and this thread) to see they take a dim view of people with my political beliefs. So as for the EDL being non political, I don’t think so. If, and it’s a big if, militant islamism took a hold in this country and things like Sharia law were enforced upon people then I would fight it, even if that meant taking up arms. However I would not fight shoulder to shoulder with many of those that follow under the EDL umbrella because, as much as I detest islamist extremism, I detest far right extremist just as much (and the same applies to the far left). MrNobody
  • Score: 1

11:39pm Thu 21 Aug 14

visionthing says...

Looking forward to catching up with all my old friends from Antifa on saturday, EDL are going to be seriously outnumbered, as always, by the opposition.

Looking forward to reading their comments on failbook when they start their whinging regarding the two tier system and muslamic rayguns.
HNH
Looking forward to catching up with all my old friends from Antifa on saturday, EDL are going to be seriously outnumbered, as always, by the opposition. Looking forward to reading their comments on failbook when they start their whinging regarding the two tier system and muslamic rayguns. HNH visionthing
  • Score: -1

11:20am Fri 22 Aug 14

TheDevilYouKnow says...

forest-dweller wrote:
As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.
They're in Bournemouth because they fancy a bank holiday beer up at the seaside.
[quote][p][bold]forest-dweller[/bold] wrote: As the latest census for Dorset put whites at 96%, and making an assumption that whites aren't Muslims, then I cannot see quite why the EDL feel the need to come to B'mouth.[/p][/quote]They're in Bournemouth because they fancy a bank holiday beer up at the seaside. TheDevilYouKnow
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Fri 22 Aug 14

whatsallthefusabout? says...

the EDL should go back to where they come from, coming down here a spoiling the weekend bloody cheek
the EDL should go back to where they come from, coming down here a spoiling the weekend bloody cheek whatsallthefusabout?
  • Score: 1

11:28pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

ashleycross wrote:
Martin Neimoller "I did not speak out".
"And then there was nobody left to speak out for me"? That's purely from memory but I believe I've got the gist of it correct.
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: Martin Neimoller "I did not speak out".[/p][/quote]"And then there was nobody left to speak out for me"? That's purely from memory but I believe I've got the gist of it correct. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

11:34pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

gonzo123 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you
The 2014 Nobel prize for literature is hereby awarded to gonzo123. Well it might have been if he knew that it's "their own", "their country" and "placard". Do we have laws in this country that ban right wingers from going to school?
Bore off you little twit
Is that the best you can come up with? If I were you I'd go off and get an edoocashun. I'd start with the three R's, lager, lager and lager. But wait, that's a bit harsh, five whole words all spelt correctly. Have the EDL very quickly dug into their learning budget to enlighten you?

I'm 5' 11" so I don't think that qualifies me as little. As for twit that's extremely funny coming from a right wing brain dead fascist.
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Who cares what they are better then extremist Muslims and would stick up for there own and are just being patriotic about there country. What about the Muslims holding plackerds saying death to our shoulders etc etc...... Gimmie a break if you'd rather be living and walking past these in street good on you[/p][/quote]The 2014 Nobel prize for literature is hereby awarded to gonzo123. Well it might have been if he knew that it's "their own", "their country" and "placard". Do we have laws in this country that ban right wingers from going to school?[/p][/quote]Bore off you little twit[/p][/quote]Is that the best you can come up with? If I were you I'd go off and get an edoocashun. I'd start with the three R's, lager, lager and lager. But wait, that's a bit harsh, five whole words all spelt correctly. Have the EDL very quickly dug into their learning budget to enlighten you? I'm 5' 11" so I don't think that qualifies me as little. As for twit that's extremely funny coming from a right wing brain dead fascist. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

11:41pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

gonzo123 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.
You can bore off too lol who cares about the **** I certainly don't. Men want to be me women want to be with me so do one you little looser keyboard wariorr
I'm awfully sorry but I can't parse "wariorr", would you care to enlighten me please? Give it a few hours first though so that you can sober up, assuming that you ever do that is.
[quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm[/p][/quote]Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.[/p][/quote]You can bore off too lol who cares about the **** I certainly don't. Men want to be me women want to be with me so do one you little looser keyboard wariorr[/p][/quote]I'm awfully sorry but I can't parse "wariorr", would you care to enlighten me please? Give it a few hours first though so that you can sober up, assuming that you ever do that is. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

11:45pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Baysider wrote:
Rotterdam wrote:
afcb-mark wrote:
MrsF82 wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example).

In case you don't get it, I will spell it out:
- I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense.

- I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense.

Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it.

I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously.

Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.
MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE
On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent.

Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments.

Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.
I haven't contributed since the start of the thread but can I just say, in a Bruce Forsyth style, to MrsF82 that you're by far my favourite poster on here and please stick around.
I like her style as well. It takes guts to speak out against extremists who do nothing except cause trouble whilst hiding behind our flag.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rotterdam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]1) Who said that was okay? It's not one or the other. I hate people who incite hate, from either side. The EDL are just as dangerous, since the public has been primed by this government and the media to believe their nonsense (you're a prime example). In case you don't get it, I will spell it out: - I hate Muslim extremists. Hate them. Hate them declaring war on a country that shelters them and provides them with opportunities. Hate our country being polluted with hateful nonsense. - I hate the EDL. Hate them. I hate them declaring war on an entire religion based on the actions of a tiny minority. I hate them thinking they have the right to decide what is English and what is not (to them, anything but white and bigoted). Hate our country being polluted with bigoted nonsense. Also, what does this march have to do with Muslim extremists? There have been no marches here to protest against. This is not a peaceful protest - it's a chance to drink and fight and hide behind a twisted, hateful ideology in order to do it. I've said this a lot, but mean it now more than ever - GROW UP. Use you brain. Seriously. Right, I've spent far more than my allotted fifteen minutes a day trying to educate idiots. I've had enough now.[/p][/quote]MrsF82 wind your neck in girl, sick of seeing your 500 posts on here. DO ONE[/p][/quote]On the contrary, MrsF82 is pretty much the only person on this thread saying anything remotely intelligent. Bigots are happy enough trading insults, but on thing they really don't like is having their prejudices held up to scrutiny with rational arguments. Since MrsF82 neatly defuses the No 1 kneejerk reaction of EDL apologists by saying she is totally opposed to Muslim extremism, the only option the bigots have is to refuse to look at her arguments.[/p][/quote]I haven't contributed since the start of the thread but can I just say, in a Bruce Forsyth style, to MrsF82 that you're by far my favourite poster on here and please stick around.[/p][/quote]I like her style as well. It takes guts to speak out against extremists who do nothing except cause trouble whilst hiding behind our flag. breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

11:49pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

enjoy the silence wrote:
Rather the EDL than ISIS. This country has gone to the dogs. Wait till all these extremists come back from Iraq and Syria and start beheading people in our streets (in fact this has already happened with Lee Rigby RIP). I'm not a supporter of EDL but at least they are trying to stand up for Britain which is more than our government are doing.
Neither as they're all extremists. The best place for the whole lot of them would be the bottom of the Marianas Trench.
[quote][p][bold]enjoy the silence[/bold] wrote: Rather the EDL than ISIS. This country has gone to the dogs. Wait till all these extremists come back from Iraq and Syria and start beheading people in our streets (in fact this has already happened with Lee Rigby RIP). I'm not a supporter of EDL but at least they are trying to stand up for Britain which is more than our government are doing.[/p][/quote]Neither as they're all extremists. The best place for the whole lot of them would be the bottom of the Marianas Trench. breamoreboy
  • Score: -6

11:52pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Wageslave wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.
We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.
Population of the UK is about 65 million of which less than 4 million are Muslim.

Population of Dorset is about 3/4 of a million of which 98.8% is white.

Although no studies have been conducted in the UK, in France before the ban out of a population of 2 million Muslim women only about 2000 wore the Burqa.

Thinking you are in any way a minority in this Country and especially this county is ridiculous.
Blind? Drunk? Wageslave that is, not boardsandphotos.
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wageslave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: With ISIS and all the extremists and immergration letting everyone and anyone stay EDL and BNP seem pretty dam good for us true brits...let's keep the great in Britain and not find in how many years time that we are a MINORITY in our OWN COUNTRY.[/p][/quote]We were nearly a minority in our own town today at the beach. Bournemouth beach should be re-named 'burka beach' I thought immigrants had to learn English.[/p][/quote]Population of the UK is about 65 million of which less than 4 million are Muslim. Population of Dorset is about 3/4 of a million of which 98.8% is white. Although no studies have been conducted in the UK, in France before the ban out of a population of 2 million Muslim women only about 2000 wore the Burqa. Thinking you are in any way a minority in this Country and especially this county is ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Blind? Drunk? Wageslave that is, not boardsandphotos. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

ragj195 wrote:
A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st!
Why focus on the nation that provided the most successful squadron of The Battle of Britain and started the work that led to Alan Turing & Co breaking so many of the Enigma codes?
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: A bunch of middle aged ex-football hooligans who haven't grown up. Why don't they focus on the Polish in Bournemouth, there's many more of them here as a result of EU migration. Might be something to do with the fact that most of them are 6ft and 15st![/p][/quote]Why focus on the nation that provided the most successful squadron of The Battle of Britain and started the work that led to Alan Turing & Co breaking so many of the Enigma codes? breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

11:57pm Fri 22 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
Behave!! We have a much higher Jewish population in Bmth. They've never had any problems here or caused them but then they don't do the persecuting unless you watch the BBC.
.
I hate all religions in general because their purpose always seems to be to preach for control but I particularly and thoroughly detest a religion that encourages beheadings of infidels and non believers.
.
I fully support the EDL in their march and will be there to march for freedom once again. The UK would be a far better place without any trace of islam.
Yes, let's keep it for the Roman Catholic paedophiles.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]Behave!! We have a much higher Jewish population in Bmth. They've never had any problems here or caused them but then they don't do the persecuting unless you watch the BBC. . I hate all religions in general because their purpose always seems to be to preach for control but I particularly and thoroughly detest a religion that encourages beheadings of infidels and non believers. . I fully support the EDL in their march and will be there to march for freedom once again. The UK would be a far better place without any trace of islam.[/p][/quote]Yes, let's keep it for the Roman Catholic paedophiles. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

12:00am Sat 23 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Waverider wrote:
kevinms wrote:
Dorset69 wrote:
So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.
So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.
If you're gay, then you should be protesting against islam as they persecute and hang gays. Be thankful you don't live somewhere like Iran or Saudi
Some Christian countries have the death penalty for gays. Just goes to show it's not just the right wing who are brain dead.
[quote][p][bold]Waverider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dorset69[/bold] wrote: So its ok for the muslims to march in towns in the UK shouting death to us in our own country ? But as soon as we want to defend our country its wrong. Unless we tramp these idiots down we are not going to be able to live our lives without fear and in the way we have for hundreds of years. Its about time our goverment listened to our own people in their own country instead of worrying about human rights for people who take lives.[/p][/quote]So only people who agree with your views can hold marches? Sounds like 1984 to me. I loath islamic extremists as I'm a gay man.[/p][/quote]If you're gay, then you should be protesting against islam as they persecute and hang gays. Be thankful you don't live somewhere like Iran or Saudi[/p][/quote]Some Christian countries have the death penalty for gays. Just goes to show it's not just the right wing who are brain dead. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

12:01am Sat 23 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

rusty james wrote:
After ploughing through this thread may I just say, on behalf of rational, progressive thinkers;

Mrs.F82,
Thank you.
You've got my vote.
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: After ploughing through this thread may I just say, on behalf of rational, progressive thinkers; Mrs.F82, Thank you.[/p][/quote]You've got my vote. breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

12:05am Sat 23 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

ASM wrote:
Ahtafcb wrote:
wow, the negative scores for anyone who says anything against edl on here seem to show how many ignorant people there really are in bournemouth! Its just an excuse to get drunk, be confrontational ....these people dont even know what theyre protesting against. you only have to type in edl into youtube and get videos of gormless idiots waving the england flag shouting ' they got muslamic ray guns innit'. Bournemouth is a town that should not be concerning itself with Isis and such groups... if they want to protest go to Iraq !! i feel sorry for all the foriegn students and tourists who will encounter these morons over the weekend....
JUST A HANDFUL OF RACIST IDIOTS DISLIKING EVERY NON-RACIST COMMENT SEVERAL TIMES
Please don't shout it's rude.
[quote][p][bold]ASM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahtafcb[/bold] wrote: wow, the negative scores for anyone who says anything against edl on here seem to show how many ignorant people there really are in bournemouth! Its just an excuse to get drunk, be confrontational ....these people dont even know what theyre protesting against. you only have to type in edl into youtube and get videos of gormless idiots waving the england flag shouting ' they got muslamic ray guns innit'. Bournemouth is a town that should not be concerning itself with Isis and such groups... if they want to protest go to Iraq !! i feel sorry for all the foriegn students and tourists who will encounter these morons over the weekend....[/p][/quote]JUST A HANDFUL OF RACIST IDIOTS DISLIKING EVERY NON-RACIST COMMENT SEVERAL TIMES[/p][/quote]Please don't shout it's rude. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

9:34am Sat 23 Aug 14

goatty says...

Queen jess x wrote:
Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...
Islam a religion of peace!!!!! What planet do you live on.
Islam is full of hate for non believers and I don't see other religious freaks carving innocent peoples heads off and preaching death to westerners on street corners.
Why do we not see ordinary Muslims protesting against the Islamic Nutters? Actually because they agree with them.
Time this Country got real and realised what a threat this religion is to world peace. Shut the Mosques that are used to preach hate, chuck out the preachers and give them back to some Islamic state, put boots on the ground in Iraqi to kick IS into oblivion and ban any English nutter who goes abroad to fight for Islam from coming back into this country.
[quote][p][bold]Queen jess x[/bold] wrote: Wow i am impressed with bournemouth locals against Edl thugery !! I don't know if they against Edl because they are going to spoil a saturday afternoon in the town or is it because Edl are disrespectful to muzlims.... But anyway i am against EDL i beleive in equality for all and Islam can be a religon of peace ...[/p][/quote]Islam a religion of peace!!!!! What planet do you live on. Islam is full of hate for non believers and I don't see other religious freaks carving innocent peoples heads off and preaching death to westerners on street corners. Why do we not see ordinary Muslims protesting against the Islamic Nutters? Actually because they agree with them. Time this Country got real and realised what a threat this religion is to world peace. Shut the Mosques that are used to preach hate, chuck out the preachers and give them back to some Islamic state, put boots on the ground in Iraqi to kick IS into oblivion and ban any English nutter who goes abroad to fight for Islam from coming back into this country. goatty
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Sat 23 Aug 14

holdinkæft says...

ashleycross wrote:
Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.
what is a racist?
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.[/p][/quote]what is a racist? holdinkæft
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Georgie21 says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
Thanks EDL but no thanks.

The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think.

I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.
Brighton wasn't an EDL event, it was a 'March for England' St George's day celebration but that didn't stop the violent anti anything patriotic UAF et al turning up, as they do every year to disrupt the march. Was it last year or the year before when the UAF's violence ended up with an innocent marcher losing an eye?
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: Thanks EDL but no thanks. The people of Bournemouth are already quite well aware of the tiny minority of 'extremist' Muslims in this Country and non of us condone the actions of that minority, we really don't need annother group of extremists marching through the town to tell us how to think. I'm not expecting this to be a big march anyway, I happened to be in Brighton earlier this year when you lot showed up and there were only about 10 of you, the anti-EDL protesters outnumbered you massively.[/p][/quote]Brighton wasn't an EDL event, it was a 'March for England' St George's day celebration but that didn't stop the violent anti anything patriotic UAF et al turning up, as they do every year to disrupt the march. Was it last year or the year before when the UAF's violence ended up with an innocent marcher losing an eye? Georgie21
  • Score: 6

2:09pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Georgie21 says...

kevinms wrote:
Dorset 69. I think if u watch the news the government is doing something. People have the right 2 shout wot they like unless they break certain laws. The true extremists hide amongst every1. EDL is a racist group. It just stirs up hate. Its homophobic as well. R u homophobic 2?
How silly and uninformed your message is. Tommy English will be proudly flying the LGBT flag, Tommy is in the LGBT Division of the EDL. All races, religions and sexual orientation proudly attend EDL demos - people should be asking why you and the Left are so obsessed with race and sexual orientation.
[quote][p][bold]kevinms[/bold] wrote: Dorset 69. I think if u watch the news the government is doing something. People have the right 2 shout wot they like unless they break certain laws. The true extremists hide amongst every1. EDL is a racist group. It just stirs up hate. Its homophobic as well. R u homophobic 2?[/p][/quote]How silly and uninformed your message is. Tommy English will be proudly flying the LGBT flag, Tommy is in the LGBT Division of the EDL. All races, religions and sexual orientation proudly attend EDL demos - people should be asking why you and the Left are so obsessed with race and sexual orientation. Georgie21
  • Score: 5

2:19pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Georgie21 says...

MrsF82 wrote:
Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I'm saddened by how much you've been down-voted because you are 100% correct. They are nothing but racist hooligans - they relish an increase in immigration, as it gives them more opportunities to terrorise towns and cause trouble. This is a mostly white town with very little immigration - if indeed this is about Islam or ISIS, why are they here? Simply because they want to have a seaside, booze-fuelled jolly, complemented by their favourite activity: fighting and spreading hate. They can do one - they are not wanted here, they are not relevant here, and hopefully they will leave with their tails between their legs when people turn out to protest against them (peacefully, I might add - one single counter-protester throwing a punch, a drink or a glass would destroy the point).
Nothing you have written has a grain of truth in it - you can't give even one instance to support your bigoted views. If the EDL were racist they would have been banned or proscribed - the police would have the powers to prevent them marching or demoing. The simple truth is they are patriots from all sections of society who want our government to get a grip on what our country is becoming. Trojan horse, FGM, honour killing, child marriage, disrespecting our soldiers, all the things the EDL has been protesting against for years. If you consider the EDL cause racist, you have a serious problem.
For your information the EDL was co founded by a Sikh - messes up your 'racism' mantra doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]MrsF82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I'm saddened by how much you've been down-voted because you are 100% correct. They are nothing but racist hooligans - they relish an increase in immigration, as it gives them more opportunities to terrorise towns and cause trouble. This is a mostly white town with very little immigration - if indeed this is about Islam or ISIS, why are they here? Simply because they want to have a seaside, booze-fuelled jolly, complemented by their favourite activity: fighting and spreading hate. They can do one - they are not wanted here, they are not relevant here, and hopefully they will leave with their tails between their legs when people turn out to protest against them (peacefully, I might add - one single counter-protester throwing a punch, a drink or a glass would destroy the point).[/p][/quote]Nothing you have written has a grain of truth in it - you can't give even one instance to support your bigoted views. If the EDL were racist they would have been banned or proscribed - the police would have the powers to prevent them marching or demoing. The simple truth is they are patriots from all sections of society who want our government to get a grip on what our country is becoming. Trojan horse, FGM, honour killing, child marriage, disrespecting our soldiers, all the things the EDL has been protesting against for years. If you consider the EDL cause racist, you have a serious problem. For your information the EDL was co founded by a Sikh - messes up your 'racism' mantra doesn't it? Georgie21
  • Score: 3

4:27pm Sat 23 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Marty Caine wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
gonzo123 wrote:
Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm
Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.
OMG! Did you really just start a sentence with a coordinating conjunction :)
Like it :)
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gonzo123[/bold] wrote: Good luck EDL lads. Fighting for the sprit of our country against those who wish to do harm[/p][/quote]Well done Brain of Britain 2015, only one word wrong this time, you're improving. Carry on at this rate and they'll let you out of playgroup to start full time schooling. But wait a minute, you've missed the full stop at the end of the sentence. Never mind, pop down to the local library and get some literature on free reading and writing lessons, you sure as hell can do with them.[/p][/quote]OMG! Did you really just start a sentence with a coordinating conjunction :)[/p][/quote]Like it :) breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

4:33pm Sat 23 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

holdinkæft wrote:
ashleycross wrote:
Understated wrote:
i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again.

they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam.

the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.
I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.
what is a racist?
The brain dead right wingers here think it's a person who likes racing.
[quote][p][bold]holdinkæft[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Understated[/bold] wrote: i might go to see who i know thats there. if i see an acquaintance in the EDL march i will be sure not to associate with them again. they call it “Bournemouth Against The Islamisation of Britain" and then go on to say its only about extremist. so why do they say islam as a whole in the title and not extremist islam. the title to anyone sounds like they are against any islamic culture in our country. it will likely appeal to those who feel that strongly against it. and im sure that is their intention from the start, its not about the extremism, they are too proud to admit they are racist.[/p][/quote]I agree, it will be good if the echo publish plenty of pictures of the rally specifically so we can see who the racists are in our midst.[/p][/quote]what is a racist?[/p][/quote]The brain dead right wingers here think it's a person who likes racing. breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

3:32pm Sun 24 Aug 14

jsdorset says...

Here are a few facts about the so called religion of peace.

Since 9/11 there have been over 19,000 deadly islamic attacks and violent murders by muslims worldwide in the name of allah. Thats over 28 per week! Wow where do I sign up for this wonderful religion of peace.

No matter if you are for EDL or against them. This is a staggering figure and far from it extolling the virtues of the religion of peace. It shows its true colours.
What exacerbates this fact is the silence from the 3 million plus muslims over here. Where are the protests from the muslims condemning this? Where are the muslims condemning the atrocities of ISIS or IS? All you get is the odd one or two or a political organisation like Quillam saying that they are not true muslims. Which is not true as if you bother to read the koran and the hadiths you will find that ISIS and the likes of them are following the so called word of allah to the letter.

What is even more disturbing is an ICM poll that was in the telegraph showed that 20 percent of the UK muslim population had sympathy with the London bombers, it also showed that 40 percent of UK muslims wants sharia law here.

If you are still not concerned do watch this https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAO
o3s&feature=youtu.be as it has some very interesting points to consider.
Here are a few facts about the so called religion of peace. Since 9/11 there have been over 19,000 deadly islamic attacks and violent murders by muslims worldwide in the name of allah. Thats over 28 per week! Wow where do I sign up for this wonderful religion of peace. No matter if you are for EDL or against them. This is a staggering figure and far from it extolling the virtues of the religion of peace. It shows its true colours. What exacerbates this fact is the silence from the 3 million plus muslims over here. Where are the protests from the muslims condemning this? Where are the muslims condemning the atrocities of ISIS or IS? All you get is the odd one or two or a political organisation like Quillam saying that they are not true muslims. Which is not true as if you bother to read the koran and the hadiths you will find that ISIS and the likes of them are following the so called word of allah to the letter. What is even more disturbing is an ICM poll that was in the telegraph showed that 20 percent of the UK muslim population had sympathy with the London bombers, it also showed that 40 percent of UK muslims wants sharia law here. If you are still not concerned do watch this https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAO o3s&feature=youtu.be as it has some very interesting points to consider. jsdorset
  • Score: 7

12:24pm Tue 26 Aug 14

bogtrotter says...

Where's the story about all the D&D, racist, fascist etc etc behaviour?
Where's the story about all the D&D, racist, fascist etc etc behaviour? bogtrotter
  • Score: 0
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