UPDATE: Council starts legal action to evict travellers at Creekmoor

Council 'starts legal action to evict travellers at Creekmoor'

Council 'starts legal action to evict travellers at Creekmoor'

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LEGAL proceedings to disband two traveller encampments in Poole have been initiated by borough officials, it has been confirmed.

Borough of Poole started the process and officers are likely to go to the courts later this week to seek an eviction order for the encampments at Creekmoor’s park and ride site and at Sterte Esplanade, Poole.

Once served, an eviction order normally gives travellers just 24-hours to vacate the area.

According to the council there are 17 caravans at the Creekmoor site and four at Sterte.

Residents and ward councillors, who have been pushing for the council to start legal proceedings, had been worried the Creekmoor encampment may have been allowed to remained until the end of the month, coinciding with the start of the Dorset Steam Fair.

However, Peter Haikin – regulatory services manager at Borough of Poole – said: “We have today initiated the legal process necessary for eviction of the travellers from sites at Creekmoor and Sterte Esplanade.

“We will now be following the legal steps required and expect to be able to serve notice later this week.”

Both sites have been provided with skips and toilets, to prevent environmental damage and reduce subsequent clean-up costs.

Creekmoor ward councillor John Rampton told the Daily Echo that he and his fellow Creekmoor ward councillors, Judy Butt and Les Burden, had been “absolutely adamant” that eviction proceedings should take place.

Cllr Rampton explained: “It is very important for the eviction process to proceed because without doing so it sends a message out that the park and ride would be acceptable to use as a travellers site.”

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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9:20am Mon 18 Aug 14

Controversial But True says...

'travellers are an ethnic group'

Does this mean that when they illegally park, and therefore they're not 'travelling', that we can say what we want?
'travellers are an ethnic group' Does this mean that when they illegally park, and therefore they're not 'travelling', that we can say what we want? Controversial But True
  • Score: 26

9:29am Mon 18 Aug 14

simongreenaway says...

I just called the council.
They said they are monitoring the situation and NO eviction proceedings have started.
I just called the council. They said they are monitoring the situation and NO eviction proceedings have started. simongreenaway
  • Score: 21

9:46am Mon 18 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

According to the BoP website, for both Creekmoor and Sterte ... "We will be commencing the legal process this week"
So no hurry then...
According to the BoP website, for both Creekmoor and Sterte ... "We will be commencing the legal process this week" So no hurry then... Jo__Go
  • Score: 16

10:06am Mon 18 Aug 14

Tripod says...

Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week. Tripod
  • Score: -9

10:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

According to the Echo last Thursday:
"Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers."

It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?
According to the Echo last Thursday: "Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers." It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn? SeeTheBee
  • Score: 15

10:44am Mon 18 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

How do the Council and people know that these travellers are waiting for the Steam Fair. Have they been specifically asked this question, with a confident answer. I doubt it very much.

Therefore it is right that legal proceedings should commence to get them out of Creekmoor ASAP. They have no right to be there, and leave their filth for others to clear up.

This is where the money is wasted, when the authorities pamper them with what they want, then pick up the tab afterwards.

If they are going to the Fair, then the owner of the Steam Fair ground should accommodate them when they first arrive here.
How do the Council and people know that these travellers are waiting for the Steam Fair. Have they been specifically asked this question, with a confident answer. I doubt it very much. Therefore it is right that legal proceedings should commence to get them out of Creekmoor ASAP. They have no right to be there, and leave their filth for others to clear up. This is where the money is wasted, when the authorities pamper them with what they want, then pick up the tab afterwards. If they are going to the Fair, then the owner of the Steam Fair ground should accommodate them when they first arrive here. TheDistrict
  • Score: 9

11:17am Mon 18 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Why the change of mind. Have a few Councillor's finally woken up to overwhelming public opinion or more likely have they just realised May 2015 is not that far away?
Why the change of mind. Have a few Councillor's finally woken up to overwhelming public opinion or more likely have they just realised May 2015 is not that far away? muscliffman
  • Score: 19

11:23am Mon 18 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

"Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department.

Just checked the BOP website:

"The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen."

So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.
"Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department. Just checked the BOP website: "The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen." So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents. Carolyn43
  • Score: 10

11:30am Mon 18 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Controversial But True wrote:
'travellers are an ethnic group'

Does this mean that when they illegally park, and therefore they're not 'travelling', that we can say what we want?
No, but it should mean that when you are travelling you can do what you want.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: 'travellers are an ethnic group' Does this mean that when they illegally park, and therefore they're not 'travelling', that we can say what we want?[/p][/quote]No, but it should mean that when you are travelling you can do what you want. Carolyn43
  • Score: 5

12:33pm Mon 18 Aug 14

60plus says...

I think we should put pressure for the steam fair sites to be opened earlier,better yet move it to the beginning of the year.It cost Poole millions of pounds but what do we get out of it besides grief .
I think we should put pressure for the steam fair sites to be opened earlier,better yet move it to the beginning of the year.It cost Poole millions of pounds but what do we get out of it besides grief . 60plus
  • Score: 10

12:48pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

Tripod wrote:
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.[/p][/quote]There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 7

1:33pm Mon 18 Aug 14

poolequarter says...

Is this the script for a new show to be shown on television ... it has the making of the best comedy for years ...written, produced and directed by Poole Borough Council!!!
Is this the script for a new show to be shown on television ... it has the making of the best comedy for years ...written, produced and directed by Poole Borough Council!!! poolequarter
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Mon 18 Aug 14

its not that bad says...

this is just a smoke screen to make us think action will be taken and make us feel happy that poole have taken action why start action now by the time papers are sorted then the bank holiday they will be off to the steam fair wast of time and money poole know this it just make them look a bit better should of be done over a week ago
this is just a smoke screen to make us think action will be taken and make us feel happy that poole have taken action why start action now by the time papers are sorted then the bank holiday they will be off to the steam fair wast of time and money poole know this it just make them look a bit better should of be done over a week ago its not that bad
  • Score: 4

1:48pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Mad Karew says...

I phoned the council today n was told that eviction proceedings have definitely started. The p&r will obviously be closed up once they've gone so if they come back they will have to break in again. Hopefully the council will put some concrete barriers or something across the weak spots in fence in the meantime.

The TSP at Tarrant Hinton opens on Thursday so hopefully they will move on then.
I phoned the council today n was told that eviction proceedings have definitely started. The p&r will obviously be closed up once they've gone so if they come back they will have to break in again. Hopefully the council will put some concrete barriers or something across the weak spots in fence in the meantime. The TSP at Tarrant Hinton opens on Thursday so hopefully they will move on then. Mad Karew
  • Score: 6

2:17pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Tripod says...

Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.
They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe
rever Park.
[quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.[/p][/quote]There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.[/p][/quote]They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe rever Park. Tripod
  • Score: -6

3:16pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Solution = Vote UKIP. Then we can get out of Europe and run our country properly. We can stop pandering to the federalist Brussels Brigade and deal with these do-as-likey's properly.
Solution = Vote UKIP. Then we can get out of Europe and run our country properly. We can stop pandering to the federalist Brussels Brigade and deal with these do-as-likey's properly. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 5

3:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
"Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department.

Just checked the BOP website:

"The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen."

So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.
'New Traveller'? What the **** is one of them?
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: "Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department. Just checked the BOP website: "The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen." So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.[/p][/quote]'New Traveller'? What the **** is one of them? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 3

3:22pm Mon 18 Aug 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
"Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department.

Just checked the BOP website:

"The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen."

So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.
Surely I can just park anywhere then?
.
We can all just become 'New Travelers' everytime we take the car out and can't be bothered to pay.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: "Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department. Just checked the BOP website: "The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen." So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.[/p][/quote]Surely I can just park anywhere then? . We can all just become 'New Travelers' everytime we take the car out and can't be bothered to pay. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 3

3:33pm Mon 18 Aug 14

sunny1966 says...

So what will be done long term !!!!!!! they will just keep moving around Dorset dropping their crap everywhere, robbing people and proerties, causing trouble everywhere they go. The British Law is a farce as long as this government are in power people like this will be laughing at us civilised people.
So what will be done long term !!!!!!! they will just keep moving around Dorset dropping their crap everywhere, robbing people and proerties, causing trouble everywhere they go. The British Law is a farce as long as this government are in power people like this will be laughing at us civilised people. sunny1966
  • Score: 9

3:35pm Mon 18 Aug 14

sunny1966 says...

Jo__Go wrote:
According to the BoP website, for both Creekmoor and Sterte ... "We will be commencing the legal process this week" So no hurry then...
scared shi.....tless thats why no backbone
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: According to the BoP website, for both Creekmoor and Sterte ... "We will be commencing the legal process this week" So no hurry then...[/p][/quote]scared shi.....tless thats why no backbone sunny1966
  • Score: 3

3:38pm Mon 18 Aug 14

sunny1966 says...

Come on UKIP lets start putting the great back into Britain
Come on UKIP lets start putting the great back into Britain sunny1966
  • Score: 3

3:44pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Tripod wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.
They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe

rever Park.
So, left to you, we'd welcome them with open arms every year on to the Park and Ride at Creekmoor? Left to me, living in Creekmoor, not so much of a welcome.
The council failed, for very good reasons, to find a suitable site for these free-loaders, that doesn't make it OK to stick them on a site that was so unsuitable and unacceptable it never made it on to the candidate list.
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.[/p][/quote]There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.[/p][/quote]They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe rever Park.[/p][/quote]So, left to you, we'd welcome them with open arms every year on to the Park and Ride at Creekmoor? Left to me, living in Creekmoor, not so much of a welcome. The council failed, for very good reasons, to find a suitable site for these free-loaders, that doesn't make it OK to stick them on a site that was so unsuitable and unacceptable it never made it on to the candidate list. Jo__Go
  • Score: 12

3:51pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Hate to seem ungrateful that the council have finally come to their senses, but as others have hinted, if they are evictable now, they were evictable when they first landed. The residents of Creekmoor have had to put up with this nonsense simply because the relevant officers and members couldn't be arsed to do their job, threw in the towel, and took the easy option.
Easy and right seldom go together.
It does seem to me that, after the TSP debacle earlier in the year, some folk who should know better threw up their arms in despair and tried to walk away from it. Yes its hard, all the more reason to keep plugging away. We hold these people to a higher standard, because that's what they promise when they take office.
Hate to seem ungrateful that the council have finally come to their senses, but as others have hinted, if they are evictable now, they were evictable when they first landed. The residents of Creekmoor have had to put up with this nonsense simply because the relevant officers and members couldn't be arsed to do their job, threw in the towel, and took the easy option. Easy and right seldom go together. It does seem to me that, after the TSP debacle earlier in the year, some folk who should know better threw up their arms in despair and tried to walk away from it. Yes its hard, all the more reason to keep plugging away. We hold these people to a higher standard, because that's what they promise when they take office. Jo__Go
  • Score: 12

4:18pm Mon 18 Aug 14

gonzo123 says...

"Ethnic group" LOL still doesn't give them the rite to breaking an entry or tress passing or getting away with par king charges or fines does it? IMA buyy a carvenen for St years summer and come a "traveller" for summer...
"Ethnic group" LOL still doesn't give them the rite to breaking an entry or tress passing or getting away with par king charges or fines does it? IMA buyy a carvenen for St years summer and come a "traveller" for summer... gonzo123
  • Score: 5

5:05pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

muscliffman wrote:
Why the change of mind. Have a few Councillor's finally woken up to overwhelming public opinion or more likely have they just realised May 2015 is not that far away?
Why do you keep spouting on about May 2015? My same response is 'what about May 2015?' If you are still spouting on about local elections, you need to understand that most if not all wards are, in nearly all cases, very happy with their elected cllr's and that includes Creekmoor where their elected reps have been battling against the odds whilst working for their electorate. I can assure you now that Atkinson and Dion will both be reelected also Haines, Pawloski and Sorton in my ward with the proviso that they all stand. Now please can we have an end to the same old potato that you keep trundling out day after day when travellers camps are mentioned.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why the change of mind. Have a few Councillor's finally woken up to overwhelming public opinion or more likely have they just realised May 2015 is not that far away?[/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting on about May 2015? My same response is 'what about May 2015?' If you are still spouting on about local elections, you need to understand that most if not all wards are, in nearly all cases, very happy with their elected cllr's and that includes Creekmoor where their elected reps have been battling against the odds whilst working for their electorate. I can assure you now that Atkinson and Dion will both be reelected also Haines, Pawloski and Sorton in my ward with the proviso that they all stand. Now please can we have an end to the same old potato that you keep trundling out day after day when travellers camps are mentioned. Wackerone
  • Score: -8

5:42pm Mon 18 Aug 14

ShuttleX says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Hate to seem ungrateful that the council have finally come to their senses, but as others have hinted, if they are evictable now, they were evictable when they first landed. The residents of Creekmoor have had to put up with this nonsense simply because the relevant officers and members couldn't be arsed to do their job, threw in the towel, and took the easy option.
Easy and right seldom go together.
It does seem to me that, after the TSP debacle earlier in the year, some folk who should know better threw up their arms in despair and tried to walk away from it. Yes its hard, all the more reason to keep plugging away. We hold these people to a higher standard, because that's what they promise when they take office.
You still believe that a politicians "promise" is worth something? How quaint.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: Hate to seem ungrateful that the council have finally come to their senses, but as others have hinted, if they are evictable now, they were evictable when they first landed. The residents of Creekmoor have had to put up with this nonsense simply because the relevant officers and members couldn't be arsed to do their job, threw in the towel, and took the easy option. Easy and right seldom go together. It does seem to me that, after the TSP debacle earlier in the year, some folk who should know better threw up their arms in despair and tried to walk away from it. Yes its hard, all the more reason to keep plugging away. We hold these people to a higher standard, because that's what they promise when they take office.[/p][/quote]You still believe that a politicians "promise" is worth something? How quaint. ShuttleX
  • Score: 6

6:46pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
"Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department.

Just checked the BOP website:

"The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen."

So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.
'New Traveller'? What the **** is one of them?
"One of them" used to be known as hippies - people who buy a broken down bus or motorised caravan to live in, believe in free love and that everybody owns everything so can do as they like with it.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: "Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department. Just checked the BOP website: "The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen." So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.[/p][/quote]'New Traveller'? What the **** is one of them?[/p][/quote]"One of them" used to be known as hippies - people who buy a broken down bus or motorised caravan to live in, believe in free love and that everybody owns everything so can do as they like with it. Carolyn43
  • Score: 1

7:05pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
"Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department.

Just checked the BOP website:

"The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen."

So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.
Surely I can just park anywhere then?
.
We can all just become 'New Travelers' everytime we take the car out and can't be bothered to pay.
........or maybe a small tent and a couple of acrobats and call your self a circus showman. Even easier, just don a top hat and red coat.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: "Initiating the legal process" doesn't mean they've applied to the court for eviction - it obviously just means they've discussed it with the legal department. Just checked the BOP website: "The Dorset population of Gypsies and Travellers comprises of mainly English Romany Gypsies, Irish Traveller, New Traveller, and Circus and Showmen." So that's just about anybody can do just as they please except the residents.[/p][/quote]Surely I can just park anywhere then? . We can all just become 'New Travelers' everytime we take the car out and can't be bothered to pay.[/p][/quote]........or maybe a small tent and a couple of acrobats and call your self a circus showman. Even easier, just don a top hat and red coat. Wackerone
  • Score: -2

7:07pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Tripod says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.
They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe


rever Park.
So, left to you, we'd welcome them with open arms every year on to the Park and Ride at Creekmoor? Left to me, living in Creekmoor, not so much of a welcome.
The council failed, for very good reasons, to find a suitable site for these free-loaders, that doesn't make it OK to stick them on a site that was so unsuitable and unacceptable it never made it on to the candidate list.
There's a difference between Open Arms and Damage Limitation, some times it's better to have your enemy inside the tent pi$$ing out rather than outside tent tent pi$$ing in ;-)

Each time they get moved-on there's another place that needs cleaning, not to mention the time and cost of the eviction proceedings.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.[/p][/quote]There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.[/p][/quote]They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe rever Park.[/p][/quote]So, left to you, we'd welcome them with open arms every year on to the Park and Ride at Creekmoor? Left to me, living in Creekmoor, not so much of a welcome. The council failed, for very good reasons, to find a suitable site for these free-loaders, that doesn't make it OK to stick them on a site that was so unsuitable and unacceptable it never made it on to the candidate list.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Open Arms and Damage Limitation, some times it's better to have your enemy inside the tent pi$$ing out rather than outside tent tent pi$$ing in ;-) Each time they get moved-on there's another place that needs cleaning, not to mention the time and cost of the eviction proceedings. Tripod
  • Score: -1

7:22pm Mon 18 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

sunny1966 wrote:
Come on UKIP lets start putting the great back into Britain
No such thing as being British anymore. What is defined as British?
I'm English.

Anyway,where do the travellers go in winter?
Back to their houses?
[quote][p][bold]sunny1966[/bold] wrote: Come on UKIP lets start putting the great back into Britain[/p][/quote]No such thing as being British anymore. What is defined as British? I'm English. Anyway,where do the travellers go in winter? Back to their houses? BIGTONE
  • Score: 4

7:26pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Tripod wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.
They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe



rever Park.
So, left to you, we'd welcome them with open arms every year on to the Park and Ride at Creekmoor? Left to me, living in Creekmoor, not so much of a welcome.
The council failed, for very good reasons, to find a suitable site for these free-loaders, that doesn't make it OK to stick them on a site that was so unsuitable and unacceptable it never made it on to the candidate list.
There's a difference between Open Arms and Damage Limitation, some times it's better to have your enemy inside the tent pi$$ing out rather than outside tent tent pi$$ing in ;-)

Each time they get moved-on there's another place that needs cleaning, not to mention the time and cost of the eviction proceedings.
Depends where the tent is...
If we're looking for a solution that just inconveniences a few people, then I can think of plenty of places in Poole we can steer them to and leave them there. But why should anyone, Creekmoor included, have to put up with that?
The answer is not to give in and stick them somewhere unsuitable, it's to make it not worth their turning up in the first place. We do that by making sites difficult to access, and by moving them on as quickly as possible. The cost is the cost, live with it.
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.[/p][/quote]There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.[/p][/quote]They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe rever Park.[/p][/quote]So, left to you, we'd welcome them with open arms every year on to the Park and Ride at Creekmoor? Left to me, living in Creekmoor, not so much of a welcome. The council failed, for very good reasons, to find a suitable site for these free-loaders, that doesn't make it OK to stick them on a site that was so unsuitable and unacceptable it never made it on to the candidate list.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Open Arms and Damage Limitation, some times it's better to have your enemy inside the tent pi$$ing out rather than outside tent tent pi$$ing in ;-) Each time they get moved-on there's another place that needs cleaning, not to mention the time and cost of the eviction proceedings.[/p][/quote]Depends where the tent is... If we're looking for a solution that just inconveniences a few people, then I can think of plenty of places in Poole we can steer them to and leave them there. But why should anyone, Creekmoor included, have to put up with that? The answer is not to give in and stick them somewhere unsuitable, it's to make it not worth their turning up in the first place. We do that by making sites difficult to access, and by moving them on as quickly as possible. The cost is the cost, live with it. Jo__Go
  • Score: 4

8:34pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

If the ruling is that they can only be moved on quickly if there is somewhere for them to be moved to, are those who made this ruling saying that, if there is nowhere suitable, we just have to put up with everything they do, cost council tax payers for cleaning up after them, evictions and other expenses which are not the fault of council tax payers or the council, but the fault of those who made the ruling? That is just plain wrong.
If the ruling is that they can only be moved on quickly if there is somewhere for them to be moved to, are those who made this ruling saying that, if there is nowhere suitable, we just have to put up with everything they do, cost council tax payers for cleaning up after them, evictions and other expenses which are not the fault of council tax payers or the council, but the fault of those who made the ruling? That is just plain wrong. Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

8:58pm Mon 18 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
If the ruling is that they can only be moved on quickly if there is somewhere for them to be moved to, are those who made this ruling saying that, if there is nowhere suitable, we just have to put up with everything they do, cost council tax payers for cleaning up after them, evictions and other expenses which are not the fault of council tax payers or the council, but the fault of those who made the ruling? That is just plain wrong.
Agree Carolyn43.. Hopefully the respect of decent Council Tax paying citizens in Creekmoor will finally be a priority. And action to evict them from this site will be passed sooner rather than later.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: If the ruling is that they can only be moved on quickly if there is somewhere for them to be moved to, are those who made this ruling saying that, if there is nowhere suitable, we just have to put up with everything they do, cost council tax payers for cleaning up after them, evictions and other expenses which are not the fault of council tax payers or the council, but the fault of those who made the ruling? That is just plain wrong.[/p][/quote]Agree Carolyn43.. Hopefully the respect of decent Council Tax paying citizens in Creekmoor will finally be a priority. And action to evict them from this site will be passed sooner rather than later. snowflakes
  • Score: 2

11:37pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

Controversial But True wrote:
'travellers are an ethnic group'

Does this mean that when they illegally park, and therefore they're not 'travelling', that we can say what we want?
No. And mind your words. The Echo is watching............
...
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: 'travellers are an ethnic group' Does this mean that when they illegally park, and therefore they're not 'travelling', that we can say what we want?[/p][/quote]No. And mind your words. The Echo is watching............ ... Yankee1
  • Score: 1

11:38pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

SeeTheBee wrote:
According to the Echo last Thursday:
"Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers."

It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?
The upcoming start of the Dorset Steam Fair.
[quote][p][bold]SeeTheBee[/bold] wrote: According to the Echo last Thursday: "Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers." It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?[/p][/quote]The upcoming start of the Dorset Steam Fair. Yankee1
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Why the change of mind. Have a few Councillor's finally woken up to overwhelming public opinion or more likely have they just realised May 2015 is not that far away?
No. They have worked out that by the time an Order is issued, and enforced, these folk will be on the way to the Dorset Steam Fair.

They will claim victory, when in fact the dates were written by the Travelers weeks ago.

Next year, I hope they encamp in Poole and Bournemouth Councils' car parks...........next to the Mayor's chauffeur driven limo.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Why the change of mind. Have a few Councillor's finally woken up to overwhelming public opinion or more likely have they just realised May 2015 is not that far away?[/p][/quote]No. They have worked out that by the time an Order is issued, and enforced, these folk will be on the way to the Dorset Steam Fair. They will claim victory, when in fact the dates were written by the Travelers weeks ago. Next year, I hope they encamp in Poole and Bournemouth Councils' car parks...........next to the Mayor's chauffeur driven limo. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

11:45pm Mon 18 Aug 14

RT1066 says...

Tripod wrote:
Bob Bournemouth wrote:
Tripod wrote:
Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.
There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.
They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe

rever Park.
Exactly Tripod at last a sensible comment leave them where they are, there is no point spending even more council tax money on legal proceedings and bins/toilets only to move them on and to start all over again wherever they next set up camp. I live 600 meters away and I can see that is the obvious answer so why can't others. NB- I do not agree with how they conduct their lives but the P&R is a better option than our lovely parks!
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Bournemouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: Waste of time and Money; They'll be moving-on anyway when the Steam Fair starts next week.[/p][/quote]There's no guarantee that they will move on to the Steam Fair and what's to stop them returning to Creekmoor when it's over anyway. They need to be shown that they can't just turn up and decide where they are going to live. Council please note, as soon as they are gone you need huge boulders to deter them returning.[/p][/quote]They said they would be moving-on to the Steam Fair when they first arrived (as stated in the Echo at the time); evicting them before-hand will just start the cat-and-mouse games again (at the expense of you and me), given a choice would you prefer them at Creekmoor (un-used park and ride) or Baiter/Hamworthy/Whe rever Park.[/p][/quote]Exactly Tripod at last a sensible comment leave them where they are, there is no point spending even more council tax money on legal proceedings and bins/toilets only to move them on and to start all over again wherever they next set up camp. I live 600 meters away and I can see that is the obvious answer so why can't others. NB- I do not agree with how they conduct their lives but the P&R is a better option than our lovely parks! RT1066
  • Score: -3

8:02am Tue 19 Aug 14

Tripod says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
Solution = Vote UKIP. Then we can get out of Europe and run our country properly. We can stop pandering to the federalist Brussels Brigade and deal with these do-as-likey's properly.
S*d-all to do with Brussels, in other European countries travellers are moved-on as soon as their wheels stop turning, this is all down to the way UK Judiciary interpreted laws (Cheri Blair for one), now these laws are on the statute book and legal precedence has been set there is nothing anyone (other than the High-Courts) can do about it, UKIP could no more change this than they could turn back the tides.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Solution = Vote UKIP. Then we can get out of Europe and run our country properly. We can stop pandering to the federalist Brussels Brigade and deal with these do-as-likey's properly.[/p][/quote]S*d-all to do with Brussels, in other European countries travellers are moved-on as soon as their wheels stop turning, this is all down to the way UK Judiciary interpreted laws (Cheri Blair for one), now these laws are on the statute book and legal precedence has been set there is nothing anyone (other than the High-Courts) can do about it, UKIP could no more change this than they could turn back the tides. Tripod
  • Score: 0

8:34am Tue 19 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Tripod wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
Solution = Vote UKIP. Then we can get out of Europe and run our country properly. We can stop pandering to the federalist Brussels Brigade and deal with these do-as-likey's properly.
S*d-all to do with Brussels, in other European countries travellers are moved-on as soon as their wheels stop turning, this is all down to the way UK Judiciary interpreted laws (Cheri Blair for one), now these laws are on the statute book and legal precedence has been set there is nothing anyone (other than the High-Courts) can do about it, UKIP could no more change this than they could turn back the tides.
I can't believe that the human rights act was intended for one group to be allowed to camp where they like, break in to areas, make an area squalid by leaving rubbish all over the place, defaecate in bushes and leave it there, be abusive to the people who live in the area at the expense with the human rights of the indigenous population to protect their property, not live in squalor, not have the health hazard of human waste and not be abused, just because there is nowhere suitable for them to be corralled.

That's what Eric Pickles is saying.
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: Solution = Vote UKIP. Then we can get out of Europe and run our country properly. We can stop pandering to the federalist Brussels Brigade and deal with these do-as-likey's properly.[/p][/quote]S*d-all to do with Brussels, in other European countries travellers are moved-on as soon as their wheels stop turning, this is all down to the way UK Judiciary interpreted laws (Cheri Blair for one), now these laws are on the statute book and legal precedence has been set there is nothing anyone (other than the High-Courts) can do about it, UKIP could no more change this than they could turn back the tides.[/p][/quote]I can't believe that the human rights act was intended for one group to be allowed to camp where they like, break in to areas, make an area squalid by leaving rubbish all over the place, defaecate in bushes and leave it there, be abusive to the people who live in the area at the expense with the human rights of the indigenous population to protect their property, not live in squalor, not have the health hazard of human waste and not be abused, just because there is nowhere suitable for them to be corralled. That's what Eric Pickles is saying. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

8:57am Tue 19 Aug 14

RM says...

SeeTheBee wrote:
According to the Echo last Thursday:
"Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers."

It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?
Vast amounts of omplaints from residents & local Cllrs? Or an official complaint made about the Council?
[quote][p][bold]SeeTheBee[/bold] wrote: According to the Echo last Thursday: "Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers." It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?[/p][/quote]Vast amounts of omplaints from residents & local Cllrs? Or an official complaint made about the Council? RM
  • Score: 0

12:12pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

RM wrote:
SeeTheBee wrote:
According to the Echo last Thursday:
"Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers."

It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?
Vast amounts of omplaints from residents & local Cllrs? Or an official complaint made about the Council?
I suspect it's just lipstick on the pig. Start eviction proceedings when they are about to leave anyway for the Steam Fair. Claim the credit for what would have happened anyway. Too little, much too late.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeeTheBee[/bold] wrote: According to the Echo last Thursday: "Shaun Robson, the borough’s head of environment and consumer protection, says officers continue to “manage and monitor” the situation but confirmed no legal action is being pursued to evict the travellers." It's a glaringly obvious question but exactly what has happened in the last couple of days to occasion this complete U turn?[/p][/quote]Vast amounts of omplaints from residents & local Cllrs? Or an official complaint made about the Council?[/p][/quote]I suspect it's just lipstick on the pig. Start eviction proceedings when they are about to leave anyway for the Steam Fair. Claim the credit for what would have happened anyway. Too little, much too late. Jo__Go
  • Score: 1
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