Creekmoor travellers: Poole council chooses not to take legal action

Creekmoor travellers: Poole council chooses not to take legal action

Creekmoor travellers: Poole council chooses not to take legal action

First published in News

COUNCIL officials continue to monitor two traveller encampments in Poole but have not yet taken any action to evict them.

Nineteen caravans and associated vehicles remain at Creekmoor's park and ride site, where Borough of Poole has provided skips and toilets.

The council believes it is likely the travellers are heading for the Dorset Steam Fair, which takes place at Tarrant Hinton, near Blandford, at the end of August.

A council spokesman said: “This is a closed site, and hence the travellers are not hindering any planned public events or preventing the use of parking/recreation space.

“We are monitoring the encampment and will gather any evidence of detriment to the local community necessary to support an application to the courts for eviction.

“Previous evictions have not however prompted the travellers to leave Poole, and further evictions are likely to result in more dispersal across the borough.

“Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site.”

Meanwhile, five caravans and a motor home remain at Poole's Sterte Esplanade, where the council has also provided a skip and toilets.

Court action has not commenced against either encampment.

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11:32am Wed 13 Aug 14

BarrHumbug says...

Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?
Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 59

11:34am Wed 13 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Wish I could just choose not to do my job, but like everybody else, I'd get sacked. How come the officers and councillors are still taking their salaries and allowances for doing nothing?
Wish I could just choose not to do my job, but like everybody else, I'd get sacked. How come the officers and councillors are still taking their salaries and allowances for doing nothing? Jo__Go
  • Score: 91

11:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

loftusrod says...

So.....they've won.
So.....they've won. loftusrod
  • Score: 66

11:45am Wed 13 Aug 14

MCAME1989 says...

It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields! MCAME1989
  • Score: 31

11:58am Wed 13 Aug 14

High Treason says...

All part of societies breakdown. Many lazy parents with feral children, drug users, binge drinkers, beggars, weak justice system, mass immigration, human rights act, rip off house prices, consumer debt ridden recovery.
All part of societies breakdown. Many lazy parents with feral children, drug users, binge drinkers, beggars, weak justice system, mass immigration, human rights act, rip off house prices, consumer debt ridden recovery. High Treason
  • Score: 39

12:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

adspacebroker says...

I REST MY CASE. I was lead to believe 'via the council corridors' that council officers actually discussed with the travellers about occupying the Creekmoor site rather than play the continuous 'cat and mouse' game..... It once again proves what an absolute shambles this council is. You couldnt write the shambolic practices that both councillors and officers undertake in so many things. You are there to serve the taxpayers within this unitary authority, not to create mayhem!
I REST MY CASE. I was lead to believe 'via the council corridors' that council officers actually discussed with the travellers about occupying the Creekmoor site rather than play the continuous 'cat and mouse' game..... It once again proves what an absolute shambles this council is. You couldnt write the shambolic practices that both councillors and officers undertake in so many things. You are there to serve the taxpayers within this unitary authority, not to create mayhem! adspacebroker
  • Score: 42

12:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

On this occasion the residents of Creekmoor have been well and truly stitched up by the local council who have seen fit to ignore the issue now it isn't affecting the main players wards. The only legal option residents have is to complain in writing (e-mail) to the council over their inaction and once a reply has been received to the Local Council Ombudsman (http://www.lgo.org.
uk/ ) . It will probably not make the slightest difference but if like me, it may make you feel a little batter.
On this occasion the residents of Creekmoor have been well and truly stitched up by the local council who have seen fit to ignore the issue now it isn't affecting the main players wards. The only legal option residents have is to complain in writing (e-mail) to the council over their inaction and once a reply has been received to the Local Council Ombudsman (http://www.lgo.org. uk/ ) . It will probably not make the slightest difference but if like me, it may make you feel a little batter. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 37

12:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

The Council have effectively handed in their notice. I'd be surprised if they get re-elected.
The Council have effectively handed in their notice. I'd be surprised if they get re-elected. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 43

12:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

sc61 says...

High Treason wrote:
All part of societies breakdown. Many lazy parents with feral children, drug users, binge drinkers, beggars, weak justice system, mass immigration, human rights act, rip off house prices, consumer debt ridden recovery.
The ultimate Daily Wail headline!
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: All part of societies breakdown. Many lazy parents with feral children, drug users, binge drinkers, beggars, weak justice system, mass immigration, human rights act, rip off house prices, consumer debt ridden recovery.[/p][/quote]The ultimate Daily Wail headline! sc61
  • Score: -28

12:11pm Wed 13 Aug 14

city guy says...

so planning application is refused ,hence poole council find a way round the refusal let them stay illeagally mind you as been mentioned better there than on public spaces once the steam fair starts they will disappear , problem over till next year when it will all start again
so planning application is refused ,hence poole council find a way round the refusal let them stay illeagally mind you as been mentioned better there than on public spaces once the steam fair starts they will disappear , problem over till next year when it will all start again city guy
  • Score: 23

12:17pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BarrHumbug says...

I do feel sorry for the local residents of Creekmoor but then I also see it from the councils point of view, if they gain a court order and move them on then they will just break into another park or public space causing a nuisance to those that use the space, the P&R isn't a used space.

If the council are powerless to stop them coming then can't they use their powers to remove the reasons they come here in the first place? Set up a free licensing scheme for legitimate local business's and impose fines on anyone found employing the travellers, that will take away their opportunity to earn any money and then impose restrictions on the entertainment licence given to the Steam Fair, they either provide a site for the travellers from June-Sept or turn them away from the event altogether?
I do feel sorry for the local residents of Creekmoor but then I also see it from the councils point of view, if they gain a court order and move them on then they will just break into another park or public space causing a nuisance to those that use the space, the P&R isn't a used space. If the council are powerless to stop them coming then can't they use their powers to remove the reasons they come here in the first place? Set up a free licensing scheme for legitimate local business's and impose fines on anyone found employing the travellers, that will take away their opportunity to earn any money and then impose restrictions on the entertainment licence given to the Steam Fair, they either provide a site for the travellers from June-Sept or turn them away from the event altogether? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 27

12:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP
Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP S,Bowes
  • Score: -9

12:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ragwin says...

Change the rules to legally allow the travellers to camp at sites but only for a fee of £20,000. That way, it's legal to seize their vehicles and caravans if they don't pay.
Change the rules to legally allow the travellers to camp at sites but only for a fee of £20,000. That way, it's legal to seize their vehicles and caravans if they don't pay. Ragwin
  • Score: 26

12:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Major Futtock says...

I feel very sorry for the Creekmoor residents. But to be honest I also agree with other posters in as much as they are best left in the P&R where they are out of most peoples way, not defecating on land open to the public and making a general nuisance of themselves.
As far as the useless Council are concerned. The Councillors in my area do a pretty good job. I am aware that many others are about as much use as a chocolate tea pot.
IT IS THE COUNCIL OFFICERS WHO NEED TO BE SACKED! Unfortunately they are not elected but employed. They are basically employed by themselves so who is going to sack them? They are grossly overpaid and in the main (as far as the Gypsies are concerned )do a less than adequate job. Overruled by the idiotic laws of this country. I feel they could do more than they actually do, as I and others are convinced they are scared of the intruders. I think if you bought the Council in a shop, you could, under the sale of goods act, return them for a refund as 'Not fit for purpose'!
I feel very sorry for the Creekmoor residents. But to be honest I also agree with other posters in as much as they are best left in the P&R where they are out of most peoples way, not defecating on land open to the public and making a general nuisance of themselves. As far as the useless Council are concerned. The Councillors in my area do a pretty good job. I am aware that many others are about as much use as a chocolate tea pot. IT IS THE COUNCIL OFFICERS WHO NEED TO BE SACKED! Unfortunately they are not elected but employed. They are basically employed by themselves so who is going to sack them? They are grossly overpaid and in the main (as far as the Gypsies are concerned )do a less than adequate job. Overruled by the idiotic laws of this country. I feel they could do more than they actually do, as I and others are convinced they are scared of the intruders. I think if you bought the Council in a shop, you could, under the sale of goods act, return them for a refund as 'Not fit for purpose'! Major Futtock
  • Score: 29

12:39pm Wed 13 Aug 14

chrisii1991 says...

Says it all
Says it all chrisii1991
  • Score: 5

12:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

So far to my knowledge not one elected Poole Councillor has publicly condemned these so called 'travellers' or spoken remotely in line with very evident public opinion about this whole disgraceful farce - in fact the only noise (it seems mostly from some Lib-dems) appears to tacitly support the alleged 'travellers'.

Is anyone in Poole seriously going to vote ANY of these present Councillors back into Office next year?
So far to my knowledge not one elected Poole Councillor has publicly condemned these so called 'travellers' or spoken remotely in line with very evident public opinion about this whole disgraceful farce - in fact the only noise (it seems mostly from some Lib-dems) appears to tacitly support the alleged 'travellers'. Is anyone in Poole seriously going to vote ANY of these present Councillors back into Office next year? muscliffman
  • Score: 26

12:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Remember all this next time the council elections come around..............
.
Remember all this next time the council elections come around.............. . Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 30

12:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ebb Tide says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?
It would be good however if they were prevented because the site is actually in use as a "park and ride" facility and not just a "park and ride" facility in name only.

Should it be maintained as a "park and ride" facility or can some other use be suggested by our Council and its teams of supprting staff which can be made acceptable to adjacent residents. Waitng for an answer to this question may be time consuming.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?[/p][/quote]It would be good however if they were prevented because the site is actually in use as a "park and ride" facility and not just a "park and ride" facility in name only. Should it be maintained as a "park and ride" facility or can some other use be suggested by our Council and its teams of supprting staff which can be made acceptable to adjacent residents. Waitng for an answer to this question may be time consuming. Ebb Tide
  • Score: 8

12:52pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BarrHumbug says...

S,Bowes wrote:
Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP
They're not using slave labour, they just don't pay tax, national insurance, council tax, or pay to dispose of the waste they remove. All that makes it pretty easy to slash their price against a legitimate local business.
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP[/p][/quote]They're not using slave labour, they just don't pay tax, national insurance, council tax, or pay to dispose of the waste they remove. All that makes it pretty easy to slash their price against a legitimate local business. BarrHumbug
  • Score: 15

12:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Nickydoonah says...

I said months ago this would happen
it was so obvious to all except George no bath you know
peace at last
I said months ago this would happen it was so obvious to all except George no bath you know peace at last Nickydoonah
  • Score: -18

12:55pm Wed 13 Aug 14

apm1954 says...

Elections next year bring on poole people party , sort this shower out.
Elections next year bring on poole people party , sort this shower out. apm1954
  • Score: 7

1:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

Looks like the Council have give up.

Maybe the ratepayers will give up some of their payments on Council (poll) tax.
Looks like the Council have give up. Maybe the ratepayers will give up some of their payments on Council (poll) tax. BIGTONE
  • Score: 15

1:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Poole Pirate says...

The European Human Rights bill has a great deal to answer for - the sooner our government grows some b@lls and puts an end to this blatant abuse of our country the better. Would be intreresting to hear UKIP's view on "travellers". The first political party to show a middle finger to Europe and remove the plague of travellers from our country gets my vote. What baffles me is that were supposed to live in a democracy - if the vast majority of us want rid of travellers (as I believe is the case), how come they're still around ?.
The European Human Rights bill has a great deal to answer for - the sooner our government grows some b@lls and puts an end to this blatant abuse of our country the better. Would be intreresting to hear UKIP's view on "travellers". The first political party to show a middle finger to Europe and remove the plague of travellers from our country gets my vote. What baffles me is that were supposed to live in a democracy - if the vast majority of us want rid of travellers (as I believe is the case), how come they're still around ?. Poole Pirate
  • Score: 9

1:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

High Treason says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP
They're not using slave labour, they just don't pay tax, national insurance, council tax, or pay to dispose of the waste they remove. All that makes it pretty easy to slash their price against a legitimate local business.
Slave labour around here. Just seen a job advertised as a counter balance fork lift driver. Must hold current licence. Be fit for goods in at warehouse. Upto £7 an hour.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP[/p][/quote]They're not using slave labour, they just don't pay tax, national insurance, council tax, or pay to dispose of the waste they remove. All that makes it pretty easy to slash their price against a legitimate local business.[/p][/quote]Slave labour around here. Just seen a job advertised as a counter balance fork lift driver. Must hold current licence. Be fit for goods in at warehouse. Upto £7 an hour. High Treason
  • Score: 7

1:10pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Looks like the Council have give up.

Maybe the ratepayers will give up some of their payments on Council (poll) tax.
Well this is where the transit site will be like it or not.

A crafty clever move by the Council.
They couldn't get their way first time around so they are doing it by the "back door" method.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Looks like the Council have give up. Maybe the ratepayers will give up some of their payments on Council (poll) tax.[/p][/quote]Well this is where the transit site will be like it or not. A crafty clever move by the Council. They couldn't get their way first time around so they are doing it by the "back door" method. BIGTONE
  • Score: 11

1:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

Like olive already said the councils own independant experts ruled ourpt creekmoor and recommended the 3 vpbelow

Land at former community centre Turlin moor.
2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole
3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road

See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/media.jsp?me
diaid=167724

However the councilors of these wards wield more power than the others, so it's brushed under the carpet. The reason branksome us unsuitable is because it's councillor Eades ward. Enough said!
Like olive already said the councils own independant experts ruled ourpt creekmoor and recommended the 3 vpbelow Land at former community centre Turlin moor. 2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole 3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/media.jsp?me diaid=167724 However the councilors of these wards wield more power than the others, so it's brushed under the carpet. The reason branksome us unsuitable is because it's councillor Eades ward. Enough said! DiggerRuss
  • Score: -1

1:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

poolequarter says...

I think we can safely sum up by saying....Poole Council have lost the plot!!!!!!!
I think we can safely sum up by saying....Poole Council have lost the plot!!!!!!! poolequarter
  • Score: 8

1:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Poole Pirate wrote:
The European Human Rights bill has a great deal to answer for - the sooner our government grows some b@lls and puts an end to this blatant abuse of our country the better. Would be intreresting to hear UKIP's view on "travellers". The first political party to show a middle finger to Europe and remove the plague of travellers from our country gets my vote. What baffles me is that were supposed to live in a democracy - if the vast majority of us want rid of travellers (as I believe is the case), how come they're still around ?.
UKIP's principle is already quite clear on this matter - and I imagine it will be included in their forthcoming 2015 manifesto publication.

As I understand it is to follow the Republic of Ireland's common sense position and end Britain's 'ethnic' recognition of 'Irish travellers', and of course those many UK residents it seems pretending to be one. This will remove any requirement for UK wide 'traveller' sites and tear down the wall of excuses the Police and Local Council's appear to be currently hiding behind in these matters.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: The European Human Rights bill has a great deal to answer for - the sooner our government grows some b@lls and puts an end to this blatant abuse of our country the better. Would be intreresting to hear UKIP's view on "travellers". The first political party to show a middle finger to Europe and remove the plague of travellers from our country gets my vote. What baffles me is that were supposed to live in a democracy - if the vast majority of us want rid of travellers (as I believe is the case), how come they're still around ?.[/p][/quote]UKIP's principle is already quite clear on this matter - and I imagine it will be included in their forthcoming 2015 manifesto publication. As I understand it is to follow the Republic of Ireland's common sense position and end Britain's 'ethnic' recognition of 'Irish travellers', and of course those many UK residents it seems pretending to be one. This will remove any requirement for UK wide 'traveller' sites and tear down the wall of excuses the Police and Local Council's appear to be currently hiding behind in these matters. muscliffman
  • Score: 3

1:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

This is becoming a load of officialdom rubbish. Now on the BBC South lunchtime news, we have some so called Travellers representative who lives in Tunbridge Wells telling us to allow Permanent Parking Areas for these rubbish and rule breaking disgraces. I have a suggestion Mr. Tunbridge Wells, let them park in your garden or area until the Steam Fair. Your contribution on the news was unintelligable, and a load of cods wallop.

If 20 residents from Poole and Bournemouth were to have broken in to the P&R area and set up an illegal encampment, waiting for the Steam Rally, we would have been moved off without hestitation.

The reason this council has not moved has nothing to do with where it is, and the fact as said by them only, this is not causing problems. The real reason is that they do not know how to handle the situation, nor do they care about their residents, the very people who voted them in.

It is an appalling state of affairs, and it is high something was done before further problems arise. Get off your butts councils and do something, and this includes the Police.
This is becoming a load of officialdom rubbish. Now on the BBC South lunchtime news, we have some so called Travellers representative who lives in Tunbridge Wells telling us to allow Permanent Parking Areas for these rubbish and rule breaking disgraces. I have a suggestion Mr. Tunbridge Wells, let them park in your garden or area until the Steam Fair. Your contribution on the news was unintelligable, and a load of cods wallop. If 20 residents from Poole and Bournemouth were to have broken in to the P&R area and set up an illegal encampment, waiting for the Steam Rally, we would have been moved off without hestitation. The reason this council has not moved has nothing to do with where it is, and the fact as said by them only, this is not causing problems. The real reason is that they do not know how to handle the situation, nor do they care about their residents, the very people who voted them in. It is an appalling state of affairs, and it is high something was done before further problems arise. Get off your butts councils and do something, and this includes the Police. TheDistrict
  • Score: 22

2:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BarrHumbug says...

High Treason wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP
They're not using slave labour, they just don't pay tax, national insurance, council tax, or pay to dispose of the waste they remove. All that makes it pretty easy to slash their price against a legitimate local business.
Slave labour around here. Just seen a job advertised as a counter balance fork lift driver. Must hold current licence. Be fit for goods in at warehouse. Upto £7 an hour.
What has that got to do with Travellers?
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: Wrote on the other story .look at the Southampton echo site .the story about slave labour.If your offered a job on the cheap then perhaps they are using slave labour .Not sure who you tell,try your local councilor ,and while your chatting to her ask her to write to the environment minister Eric Pickles .references your lives being blighted,.He came up with a solution to party houses,don't waste your time telling the police,we know what their instructions are,then mention that now may be a good time to defect to UKIP[/p][/quote]They're not using slave labour, they just don't pay tax, national insurance, council tax, or pay to dispose of the waste they remove. All that makes it pretty easy to slash their price against a legitimate local business.[/p][/quote]Slave labour around here. Just seen a job advertised as a counter balance fork lift driver. Must hold current licence. Be fit for goods in at warehouse. Upto £7 an hour.[/p][/quote]What has that got to do with Travellers? BarrHumbug
  • Score: -4

2:52pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ronlin says...

Some years ago , it was put to the council that the P&R could be used by the motorhome fraternity for overnight stops when not in use , for a small fee etc , this was turned down , why? because the council had already planned its future use obviously for the travellers , and now its happening .
Some years ago , it was put to the council that the P&R could be used by the motorhome fraternity for overnight stops when not in use , for a small fee etc , this was turned down , why? because the council had already planned its future use obviously for the travellers , and now its happening . ronlin
  • Score: 4

3:17pm Wed 13 Aug 14

master plan says...

May as well turn the park and ride spot into a travellers site place is never used and it stops them ruining whitecliff 2/3 times a year
May as well turn the park and ride spot into a travellers site place is never used and it stops them ruining whitecliff 2/3 times a year master plan
  • Score: 2

3:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

cunone says...

Suggestion residents could give the Travellers a list of the councillors home addresses. Councillors can then go into business as camp site owners after these are only people on holiday so they don't present a problem do they?
Suggestion residents could give the Travellers a list of the councillors home addresses. Councillors can then go into business as camp site owners after these are only people on holiday so they don't present a problem do they? cunone
  • Score: 4

3:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

lying eyes says...

MCAME1989 wrote:
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e
tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....
[quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields![/p][/quote]Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have..... lying eyes
  • Score: -2

3:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MCAME1989 says...

lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e

tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....
Meh...ur words mean nothing to me!
These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can!
I see no one going in and telling them to move on!
Being the council, police or the public!

All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi
day makers will be using in the school holidays!

Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long...
The past has proven this!
[quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields![/p][/quote]Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....[/p][/quote]Meh...ur words mean nothing to me! These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can! I see no one going in and telling them to move on! Being the council, police or the public! All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi day makers will be using in the school holidays! Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long... The past has proven this! MCAME1989
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

carrrob says...

It was obvious the council were going to allow this not good news for the creekmoor residents and will the tinkers just return to the park and ride after the steam rally !
It was obvious the council were going to allow this not good news for the creekmoor residents and will the tinkers just return to the park and ride after the steam rally ! carrrob
  • Score: 1

4:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

skydriver says...

And to think the people of Poole pay council tax, which in turn pays for the councillors allowances, simple don't pay, after all your not getting value for money..
Dorset councils are a disgrace, and DONT have the residents interest at heart.
Jet another reason to jettison them now before anymore damage is done.
I wonder what the clean up costs will be, moreover who will be paying, and to think councils are cutting essential services to pay for such disruptions.......I rest my case.
And to think the people of Poole pay council tax, which in turn pays for the councillors allowances, simple don't pay, after all your not getting value for money.. Dorset councils are a disgrace, and DONT have the residents interest at heart. Jet another reason to jettison them now before anymore damage is done. I wonder what the clean up costs will be, moreover who will be paying, and to think councils are cutting essential services to pay for such disruptions.......I rest my case. skydriver
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Poole Pirate wrote:
The European Human Rights bill has a great deal to answer for - the sooner our government grows some b@lls and puts an end to this blatant abuse of our country the better. Would be intreresting to hear UKIP's view on "travellers". The first political party to show a middle finger to Europe and remove the plague of travellers from our country gets my vote. What baffles me is that were supposed to live in a democracy - if the vast majority of us want rid of travellers (as I believe is the case), how come they're still around ?.
We don't live in a democracy. We have limited free speech but no where on this earth is truly democratic sadly
[quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: The European Human Rights bill has a great deal to answer for - the sooner our government grows some b@lls and puts an end to this blatant abuse of our country the better. Would be intreresting to hear UKIP's view on "travellers". The first political party to show a middle finger to Europe and remove the plague of travellers from our country gets my vote. What baffles me is that were supposed to live in a democracy - if the vast majority of us want rid of travellers (as I believe is the case), how come they're still around ?.[/p][/quote]We don't live in a democracy. We have limited free speech but no where on this earth is truly democratic sadly bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

lying eyes says...

MCAME1989 wrote:
lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e


tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....
Meh...ur words mean nothing to me!
These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can!
I see no one going in and telling them to move on!
Being the council, police or the public!

All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi

day makers will be using in the school holidays!

Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long...
The past has proven this!
For your information,,,,hope you can Understand this,,,,,this site was locked and secured,,,if I as a law,abiding,person,I
,had forced entry,,not just to this site,but anywhere,,I would expect to pay the consequences,,,,,,al
so this was turned DOWN as a poosible/site,for these low/life,s,,a while back,,,it,s great that the parks and play area,s are good,,,,that does,nt make it right,,,,,what you did from where you come from,,I could,nt give a toss about,,,,,we are all sick to death of these parasite,s,,],,doing what they please,,when they please,,,,and all the official,claptrap that is spouted out,by both our Police@ Council,,they all ought to grow a pair,and enforce the law,s,,,which are already in place....these are not the quaint/nomadic,gypie
s,of a bygone age,,,,these are just a bunch of freeloaders,,who could,nt give a rat,s a - - e,,,about anyone but themselves,,,,
[quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields![/p][/quote]Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....[/p][/quote]Meh...ur words mean nothing to me! These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can! I see no one going in and telling them to move on! Being the council, police or the public! All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi day makers will be using in the school holidays! Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long... The past has proven this![/p][/quote]For your information,,,,hope you can Understand this,,,,,this site was locked and secured,,,if I as a law,abiding,person,I ,had forced entry,,not just to this site,but anywhere,,I would expect to pay the consequences,,,,,,al so this was turned DOWN as a poosible/site,for these low/life,s,,a while back,,,it,s great that the parks and play area,s are good,,,,that does,nt make it right,,,,,what you did from where you come from,,I could,nt give a toss about,,,,,we are all sick to death of these parasite,s,,[[ I won,t dignify them,by calling them Travellors ]],,doing what they please,,when they please,,,,and all the official,claptrap that is spouted out,by both our Police@ Council,,they all ought to grow a pair,and enforce the law,s,,,which are already in place....these are not the quaint/nomadic,gypie s,of a bygone age,,,,these are just a bunch of freeloaders,,who could,nt give a rat,s a - - e,,,about anyone but themselves,,,, lying eyes
  • Score: 1

4:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Okay all you barrack room lawyers out there, surely there is a way to force a vote of no confidence or similar in our elected councillors as they are clearly not up to the job. Someone in the know should be able to dig the relevant part out of the council constitution? Come on, spread the word, lets make it happen. They are OUR servants, not the other way round! !!.
Okay all you barrack room lawyers out there, surely there is a way to force a vote of no confidence or similar in our elected councillors as they are clearly not up to the job. Someone in the know should be able to dig the relevant part out of the council constitution? Come on, spread the word, lets make it happen. They are OUR servants, not the other way round! !!. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 4

5:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Pasiphae says...

DiggerRuss wrote:
Like olive already said the councils own independant experts ruled ourpt creekmoor and recommended the 3 vpbelow

Land at former community centre Turlin moor.
2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole
3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road

See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor

you.com/media.jsp?me

diaid=167724

However the councilors of these wards wield more power than the others, so it's brushed under the carpet. The reason branksome us unsuitable is because it's councillor Eades ward. Enough said!
Just for the record the lodgehill site was a no go,as I understand it, due to the fact that it would expose some incredibly vulnerable children to an unacceptable risk . As for the others I suspect you are not far off the mark.
[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote: Like olive already said the councils own independant experts ruled ourpt creekmoor and recommended the 3 vpbelow Land at former community centre Turlin moor. 2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole 3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/media.jsp?me diaid=167724 However the councilors of these wards wield more power than the others, so it's brushed under the carpet. The reason branksome us unsuitable is because it's councillor Eades ward. Enough said![/p][/quote]Just for the record the lodgehill site was a no go,as I understand it, due to the fact that it would expose some incredibly vulnerable children to an unacceptable risk . As for the others I suspect you are not far off the mark. Pasiphae
  • Score: -4

5:54pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MCAME1989 says...

lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e



tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....
Meh...ur words mean nothing to me!
These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can!
I see no one going in and telling them to move on!
Being the council, police or the public!

All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi


day makers will be using in the school holidays!

Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long...
The past has proven this!
For your information,,,,hope you can Understand this,,,,,this site was locked and secured,,,if I as a law,abiding,person,I

,had forced entry,,not just to this site,but anywhere,,I would expect to pay the consequences,,,,,,al

so this was turned DOWN as a poosible/site,for these low/life,s,,a while back,,,it,s great that the parks and play area,s are good,,,,that does,nt make it right,,,,,what you did from where you come from,,I could,nt give a toss about,,,,,we are all sick to death of these parasite,s,,],,doing what they please,,when they please,,,,and all the official,claptrap that is spouted out,by both our Police@ Council,,they all ought to grow a pair,and enforce the law,s,,,which are already in place....these are not the quaint/nomadic,gypie

s,of a bygone age,,,,these are just a bunch of freeloaders,,who could,nt give a rat,s a - - e,,,about anyone but themselves,,,,
Ur talking to me like I actually care!
No
Name calling ..well

For your information this site was not locked...the heavy weight blocks were moved and the padlock removed!

Living close by I go past a few times a day....witnessing these things being moved!

The council have obviously done this on purpose as they hav no other options in their eyes!
[quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields![/p][/quote]Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....[/p][/quote]Meh...ur words mean nothing to me! These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can! I see no one going in and telling them to move on! Being the council, police or the public! All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi day makers will be using in the school holidays! Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long... The past has proven this![/p][/quote]For your information,,,,hope you can Understand this,,,,,this site was locked and secured,,,if I as a law,abiding,person,I ,had forced entry,,not just to this site,but anywhere,,I would expect to pay the consequences,,,,,,al so this was turned DOWN as a poosible/site,for these low/life,s,,a while back,,,it,s great that the parks and play area,s are good,,,,that does,nt make it right,,,,,what you did from where you come from,,I could,nt give a toss about,,,,,we are all sick to death of these parasite,s,,[[ I won,t dignify them,by calling them Travellors ]],,doing what they please,,when they please,,,,and all the official,claptrap that is spouted out,by both our Police@ Council,,they all ought to grow a pair,and enforce the law,s,,,which are already in place....these are not the quaint/nomadic,gypie s,of a bygone age,,,,these are just a bunch of freeloaders,,who could,nt give a rat,s a - - e,,,about anyone but themselves,,,,[/p][/quote]Ur talking to me like I actually care! No Name calling ..well For your information this site was not locked...the heavy weight blocks were moved and the padlock removed! Living close by I go past a few times a day....witnessing these things being moved! The council have obviously done this on purpose as they hav no other options in their eyes! MCAME1989
  • Score: -2

6:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

MCAME1989 wrote:
lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e


tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....
Meh...ur words mean nothing to me!
These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can!
I see no one going in and telling them to move on!
Being the council, police or the public!

All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi

day makers will be using in the school holidays!

Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long...
The past has proven this!
And you are from where?
[quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields![/p][/quote]Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....[/p][/quote]Meh...ur words mean nothing to me! These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can! I see no one going in and telling them to move on! Being the council, police or the public! All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi day makers will be using in the school holidays! Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long... The past has proven this![/p][/quote]And you are from where? folkprotector
  • Score: -5

6:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

poolequarter says...

Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???
Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis??? poolequarter
  • Score: 2

6:18pm Wed 13 Aug 14

RM says...

bobthedestroyer wrote:
The Council have effectively handed in their notice. I'd be surprised if they get re-elected.
The decision not to go for eviction orders is being announced by Council staff (or as they like to be known 'Officers') - have any of the Cllrs actually been consulted about this decision? They weren't about the decision to turn down the initial offer of £250K for Marshes End. Check with your local Cllrs.
[quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: The Council have effectively handed in their notice. I'd be surprised if they get re-elected.[/p][/quote]The decision not to go for eviction orders is being announced by Council staff (or as they like to be known 'Officers') - have any of the Cllrs actually been consulted about this decision? They weren't about the decision to turn down the initial offer of £250K for Marshes End. Check with your local Cllrs. RM
  • Score: -2

6:21pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

This home office document created by the office of the deputy prime minister shows plenty of options to remove travellers:

guide to effective use of enforcement powers

part 1 unauthorised encampments.

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/7837/1
43582.pdf

It would appear after reading this that we have both an inadequate council and police force! That probably haven't even read this document.
This home office document created by the office of the deputy prime minister shows plenty of options to remove travellers: guide to effective use of enforcement powers part 1 unauthorised encampments. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/7837/1 43582.pdf It would appear after reading this that we have both an inadequate council and police force! That probably haven't even read this document. DiggerRuss
  • Score: 1

6:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

RM says...

poolequarter wrote:
Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???
Whatever it is, it certainly isn't checking that Dorset police are doing their designated job of protecting the law abiding & arresting the lawbreakers.
[quote][p][bold]poolequarter[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???[/p][/quote]Whatever it is, it certainly isn't checking that Dorset police are doing their designated job of protecting the law abiding & arresting the lawbreakers. RM
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

It makes no difference at all to these so called travellers if the P&R site becomes permanent, or is re locked and secured when this group move on. 1, will the site hold all travellers that visit. NO. 2. Will they maintain it. NO. 3. Once it becomes a permanent site, or a regular site, they will move on for the fear of being ruled, or the possibility of coughing some cash. THIS THEY WILL NOT DO.

The only option is, is to move them on and keep moving them until they move into the fields at the Steam Fair site. The owner will be happy because they will be spending money. Therefore, he should be taking them in now.

Again, I say to the council's, grows some b***s and get this sorted once and for all.
It makes no difference at all to these so called travellers if the P&R site becomes permanent, or is re locked and secured when this group move on. 1, will the site hold all travellers that visit. NO. 2. Will they maintain it. NO. 3. Once it becomes a permanent site, or a regular site, they will move on for the fear of being ruled, or the possibility of coughing some cash. THIS THEY WILL NOT DO. The only option is, is to move them on and keep moving them until they move into the fields at the Steam Fair site. The owner will be happy because they will be spending money. Therefore, he should be taking them in now. Again, I say to the council's, grows some b***s and get this sorted once and for all. TheDistrict
  • Score: 3

6:43pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

RM wrote:
bobthedestroyer wrote:
The Council have effectively handed in their notice. I'd be surprised if they get re-elected.
The decision not to go for eviction orders is being announced by Council staff (or as they like to be known 'Officers') - have any of the Cllrs actually been consulted about this decision? They weren't about the decision to turn down the initial offer of £250K for Marshes End. Check with your local Cllrs.
Local councillors haven't been consulted, but apparently the Creekmoor councillors have complained to the unelected "officers" and to other councillors such as Xena Dion, but have been told they shouldn't be doing that, i.e. representing the residents they were elected to serve.

Also seems that if the actual person doing the breaking can't be identified then no prosecution can take place, and trespass isn't a crime. So if a group of council tax payers break into the council offices and occupy it, they can't be prosecuted if the person doing the breaking in can't be identified and nor could they be prosecuted for trespass. Yeah right. I can see that happening can't you?
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bobthedestroyer[/bold] wrote: The Council have effectively handed in their notice. I'd be surprised if they get re-elected.[/p][/quote]The decision not to go for eviction orders is being announced by Council staff (or as they like to be known 'Officers') - have any of the Cllrs actually been consulted about this decision? They weren't about the decision to turn down the initial offer of £250K for Marshes End. Check with your local Cllrs.[/p][/quote]Local councillors haven't been consulted, but apparently the Creekmoor councillors have complained to the unelected "officers" and to other councillors such as Xena Dion, but have been told they shouldn't be doing that, i.e. representing the residents they were elected to serve. Also seems that if the actual person doing the breaking can't be identified then no prosecution can take place, and trespass isn't a crime. So if a group of council tax payers break into the council offices and occupy it, they can't be prosecuted if the person doing the breaking in can't be identified and nor could they be prosecuted for trespass. Yeah right. I can see that happening can't you? Carolyn43
  • Score: -1

6:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

moleman says...

Ebb Tide wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?
It would be good however if they were prevented because the site is actually in use as a "park and ride" facility and not just a "park and ride" facility in name only.

Should it be maintained as a "park and ride" facility or can some other use be suggested by our Council and its teams of supprting staff which can be made acceptable to adjacent residents. Waitng for an answer to this question may be time consuming.
The residents tried to get the Creekmoor councillors and officers to agree to using the defunct Park and Ride as a facility for the residents of Creekmoor. They were blocked at every turn and were told that there was a better plan for the site. Now I guess we all know what the plan was and it certainly does not benefit the residents.

If the community group couldn't get any support to make it a community facility by appealing to regenerate it and couldn't get Creekmoor councillors on board then I guess we know who to blame.
[quote][p][bold]Ebb Tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?[/p][/quote]It would be good however if they were prevented because the site is actually in use as a "park and ride" facility and not just a "park and ride" facility in name only. Should it be maintained as a "park and ride" facility or can some other use be suggested by our Council and its teams of supprting staff which can be made acceptable to adjacent residents. Waitng for an answer to this question may be time consuming.[/p][/quote]The residents tried to get the Creekmoor councillors and officers to agree to using the defunct Park and Ride as a facility for the residents of Creekmoor. They were blocked at every turn and were told that there was a better plan for the site. Now I guess we all know what the plan was and it certainly does not benefit the residents. If the community group couldn't get any support to make it a community facility by appealing to regenerate it and couldn't get Creekmoor councillors on board then I guess we know who to blame. moleman
  • Score: -4

6:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

Give up you have been betrayed .the people that are elected paid and trusted to protect you have wilted under the pressure of a few travellers.
You have to hope the Muslims have not sent out these people to.scout the vulnerability of the police and council.The church that needs a £3million New Capola Would be better served as a Mosque
Give up you have been betrayed .the people that are elected paid and trusted to protect you have wilted under the pressure of a few travellers. You have to hope the Muslims have not sent out these people to.scout the vulnerability of the police and council.The church that needs a £3million New Capola Would be better served as a Mosque S,Bowes
  • Score: -7

6:59pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

Have just seen councillor Butt treading the tight rope on BBC and trying to offer an explanation for this fiasco. Not very successfully I hasten to add but at least she put in an appearance. Those other councillors rubbing their chubby little hands may be thinking they have at last won the war but this is only another battle. Come the elections next year I predict a decisive split between east and west Poole with the west independents and Poole People outnumbering the Lib/ Cons to the east. On the other hand perhaps someone in the council office's will see sense and tell these so called 'Travellers' to vacate Creekmoor and head to Hamwothy power station grounds which has more than enough space to put them without bothering any of the local community. 'Man Up' Mr and Mrs (you know who you are councillors) and do us all a favour.
Have just seen councillor Butt treading the tight rope on BBC and trying to offer an explanation for this fiasco. Not very successfully I hasten to add but at least she put in an appearance. Those other councillors rubbing their chubby little hands may be thinking they have at last won the war but this is only another battle. Come the elections next year I predict a decisive split between east and west Poole with the west independents and Poole People outnumbering the Lib/ Cons to the east. On the other hand perhaps someone in the council office's will see sense and tell these so called 'Travellers' to vacate Creekmoor and head to Hamwothy power station grounds which has more than enough space to put them without bothering any of the local community. 'Man Up' Mr and Mrs (you know who you are councillors) and do us all a favour. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 2

7:02pm Wed 13 Aug 14

1a1a1a says...

What can the council do? The visitors have been all over the town, costing lost revenue by invading car parks etc.
At least here they are in an area outside of town - use the opportunity to make this their permanent traveller site.
What can the council do? The visitors have been all over the town, costing lost revenue by invading car parks etc. At least here they are in an area outside of town - use the opportunity to make this their permanent traveller site. 1a1a1a
  • Score: 0

7:06pm Wed 13 Aug 14

lying eyes says...

MCAME1989 wrote:
lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
lying eyes wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields!
Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e




tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....
Meh...ur words mean nothing to me!
These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can!
I see no one going in and telling them to move on!
Being the council, police or the public!

All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi



day makers will be using in the school holidays!

Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long...
The past has proven this!
For your information,,,,hope you can Understand this,,,,,this site was locked and secured,,,if I as a law,abiding,person,I


,had forced entry,,not just to this site,but anywhere,,I would expect to pay the consequences,,,,,,al


so this was turned DOWN as a poosible/site,for these low/life,s,,a while back,,,it,s great that the parks and play area,s are good,,,,that does,nt make it right,,,,,what you did from where you come from,,I could,nt give a toss about,,,,,we are all sick to death of these parasite,s,,],,doing what they please,,when they please,,,,and all the official,claptrap that is spouted out,by both our Police@ Council,,they all ought to grow a pair,and enforce the law,s,,,which are already in place....these are not the quaint/nomadic,gypie


s,of a bygone age,,,,these are just a bunch of freeloaders,,who could,nt give a rat,s a - - e,,,about anyone but themselves,,,,
Ur talking to me like I actually care!
No
Name calling ..well

For your information this site was not locked...the heavy weight blocks were moved and the padlock removed!

Living close by I go past a few times a day....witnessing these things being moved!

The council have obviously done this on purpose as they hav no other options in their eyes!
1 ,,,,if you don,t care?? why bother putting your view on here,,no one forced you,,it,s only for the b - - - o - - k,,s you spout on here that I replied...

2,,,,where have I name/called you..our ;; travelling/FRIENDS ;;,yes,,,and could have been a lot worse,,trust me,,,,,,,

3,,by your own statement/above,,,th
e site was secure,,,,if moving the blocks'padlocks,is,n
t,,breaking in,,,what is...you say this was done by the council,,,unless you saw this,,I beg to differ....and I,m not a council/hugger,,

4,,I also travel quite a lot past this site,,,and it was secure,,
[quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lying eyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: It's better they are left here, rather than sending them on for them to ruin childrens play parks or playing fields![/p][/quote]Bit of a NIMBY,,are we,,,they,ve broken the law,damaged property,do as they like,,noice,,mess,,e tc etc,,,but that,s ok with you,,no wonder these parasite,s get away with it,,with the attitude you have.....[/p][/quote]Meh...ur words mean nothing to me! These PEOPLE ...that's what they are, get away with it because they can! I see no one going in and telling them to move on! Being the council, police or the public! All I am saying is this car park is in used..being here they will not destroy any parks, fields or anything else that children/public/holi day makers will be using in the school holidays! Where I'm from they would not have lasted this long... The past has proven this![/p][/quote]For your information,,,,hope you can Understand this,,,,,this site was locked and secured,,,if I as a law,abiding,person,I ,had forced entry,,not just to this site,but anywhere,,I would expect to pay the consequences,,,,,,al so this was turned DOWN as a poosible/site,for these low/life,s,,a while back,,,it,s great that the parks and play area,s are good,,,,that does,nt make it right,,,,,what you did from where you come from,,I could,nt give a toss about,,,,,we are all sick to death of these parasite,s,,[[ I won,t dignify them,by calling them Travellors ]],,doing what they please,,when they please,,,,and all the official,claptrap that is spouted out,by both our Police@ Council,,they all ought to grow a pair,and enforce the law,s,,,which are already in place....these are not the quaint/nomadic,gypie s,of a bygone age,,,,these are just a bunch of freeloaders,,who could,nt give a rat,s a - - e,,,about anyone but themselves,,,,[/p][/quote]Ur talking to me like I actually care! No Name calling ..well For your information this site was not locked...the heavy weight blocks were moved and the padlock removed! Living close by I go past a few times a day....witnessing these things being moved! The council have obviously done this on purpose as they hav no other options in their eyes![/p][/quote]1 ,,,,if you don,t care?? why bother putting your view on here,,no one forced you,,it,s only for the b - - - o - - k,,s you spout on here that I replied... 2,,,,where have I name/called you..our ;; travelling/FRIENDS ;;,yes,,,and could have been a lot worse,,trust me,,,,,,, 3,,by your own statement/above,,,th e site was secure,,,,if moving the blocks'padlocks,is,n t,,breaking in,,,what is...you say this was done by the council,,,unless you saw this,,I beg to differ....and I,m not a council/hugger,, 4,,I also travel quite a lot past this site,,,and it was secure,, lying eyes
  • Score: -5

7:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ebb Tide says...

moleman wrote:
Ebb Tide wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?
It would be good however if they were prevented because the site is actually in use as a "park and ride" facility and not just a "park and ride" facility in name only.

Should it be maintained as a "park and ride" facility or can some other use be suggested by our Council and its teams of supprting staff which can be made acceptable to adjacent residents. Waitng for an answer to this question may be time consuming.
The residents tried to get the Creekmoor councillors and officers to agree to using the defunct Park and Ride as a facility for the residents of Creekmoor. They were blocked at every turn and were told that there was a better plan for the site. Now I guess we all know what the plan was and it certainly does not benefit the residents.

If the community group couldn't get any support to make it a community facility by appealing to regenerate it and couldn't get Creekmoor councillors on board then I guess we know who to blame.
Us ? Because we don't push hard enough ! I believe Cllr Butt's example needs to be strengthened. The next election must ensure more people like her get into office to get our BoP employees to actually deliver what is necessary..
[quote][p][bold]moleman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ebb Tide[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?[/p][/quote]It would be good however if they were prevented because the site is actually in use as a "park and ride" facility and not just a "park and ride" facility in name only. Should it be maintained as a "park and ride" facility or can some other use be suggested by our Council and its teams of supprting staff which can be made acceptable to adjacent residents. Waitng for an answer to this question may be time consuming.[/p][/quote]The residents tried to get the Creekmoor councillors and officers to agree to using the defunct Park and Ride as a facility for the residents of Creekmoor. They were blocked at every turn and were told that there was a better plan for the site. Now I guess we all know what the plan was and it certainly does not benefit the residents. If the community group couldn't get any support to make it a community facility by appealing to regenerate it and couldn't get Creekmoor councillors on board then I guess we know who to blame.[/p][/quote]Us ? Because we don't push hard enough ! I believe Cllr Butt's example needs to be strengthened. The next election must ensure more people like her get into office to get our BoP employees to actually deliver what is necessary.. Ebb Tide
  • Score: -1

7:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Interesting topical 'traveller site' news breaking about a perfectly decent retired couple in Bosbury Herefordshire who were helping fight the siting of a Council 'Traveller' site in the County very near to their pleasant cottage.

Having lost the latest round in their battle with the Council and Officers in the matter the poor people decided that they would prefer to commit suicide than have 'travellers' as neighbours.

Enough of this!
Interesting topical 'traveller site' news breaking about a perfectly decent retired couple in Bosbury Herefordshire who were helping fight the siting of a Council 'Traveller' site in the County very near to their pleasant cottage. Having lost the latest round in their battle with the Council and Officers in the matter the poor people decided that they would prefer to commit suicide than have 'travellers' as neighbours. Enough of this! muscliffman
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

saynomore says...

Amazing!! My original post deleted because I described the council as gutless and run by a useless individual,so Bye for now,this will be gone in a minute.
Amazing!! My original post deleted because I described the council as gutless and run by a useless individual,so Bye for now,this will be gone in a minute. saynomore
  • Score: 2

7:27pm Wed 13 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Nickydoonah wrote:
I said months ago this would happen
it was so obvious to all except George no bath you know
peace at last
George has no bath, you have no brains, I prefer the former to the latter.
[quote][p][bold]Nickydoonah[/bold] wrote: I said months ago this would happen it was so obvious to all except George no bath you know peace at last[/p][/quote]George has no bath, you have no brains, I prefer the former to the latter. breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

7:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

If you email Councillor Dion, Portfolio Holder for a Prosperous, Sustainable and Active Poole, re: this debate, using her poole.gov.uk address, you will likely receive this standard reply:

"Further to your email:
many of us in Poole are badly affected by travellers recently being around our sites (Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Creekmoor, Canford Ciffs, Oakdale... This is a borough wide situation. We are all affected.
There are some key facts about the Travellers that we have to bear in mind. whatever we feel about them.
1) they are waiting for sites to open at Blandford steam fair (opening in less than 2 weeks)
2) they are not wanting to be any place rural and want to stay around in bournemouth and poole and have implored us to find somewhere for them (we know there is nowhere suitable) we cannot nor would want to move them by force.
3) they have used and always will use,really heavy duty cutting gear to access sites that includes cutting height barriers
4) we have already gone to court 4 times to get evictions and more are in the pipeline

Height barriers at Baiter and any other car park eliminates legitimiate users but does not guarantee protection against travellers (they use cutters). Baiter and other car parks has many legitimate users with bicycles on their roofs, minibuses etc. as well as legitimate camper vans and they need access.

Many residents are, understandably. endeavouring to protect their own nearby spaces. I don't think its acceptable for travellers to be anywhere in Poole, as we simply do not have a suitable or acceptable (to residents) piece of land and I personally believe they should use proper camp sites like anyone else, but this is their 'traveller' way of life (I am told by central gov) and they are allowed to go anywhere it seems.

As I have said to other residents I (and probably most if not all other Councillors) am as frustrated and angry as anyone else, but the Gypsy Council have been successful in gaining minority ethnic status for the travellers and we have to work with that. I cannot say what site is better than another, only that every site causes masses anxiety and anger.

Believe me, if there were solutions we would have pursued them by now. Meanwhile, we all need to exercise some degree of tolerance unless they are specifically causing harm."

So there you have it.
If you email Councillor Dion, Portfolio Holder for a Prosperous, Sustainable and Active Poole, re: this debate, using her poole.gov.uk address, you will likely receive this standard reply: "Further to your email: many of us in Poole are badly affected by travellers recently being around our sites (Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Creekmoor, Canford Ciffs, Oakdale... This is a borough wide situation. We are all affected. There are some key facts about the Travellers that we have to bear in mind. whatever we feel about them. 1) they are waiting for sites to open at Blandford steam fair (opening in less than 2 weeks) 2) they are not wanting to be any place rural and want to stay around in bournemouth and poole and have implored us to find somewhere for them (we know there is nowhere suitable) we cannot nor would want to move them by force. 3) they have used and always will use,really heavy duty cutting gear to access sites that includes cutting height barriers 4) we have already gone to court 4 times to get evictions and more are in the pipeline Height barriers at Baiter and any other car park eliminates legitimiate users but does not guarantee protection against travellers (they use cutters). Baiter and other car parks has many legitimate users with bicycles on their roofs, minibuses etc. as well as legitimate camper vans and they need access. Many residents are, understandably. endeavouring to protect their own nearby spaces. I don't think its acceptable for travellers to be anywhere in Poole, as we simply do not have a suitable or acceptable (to residents) piece of land and I personally believe they should use proper camp sites like anyone else, but this is their 'traveller' way of life (I am told by central gov) and they are allowed to go anywhere it seems. As I have said to other residents I (and probably most if not all other Councillors) am as frustrated and angry as anyone else, but the Gypsy Council have been successful in gaining minority ethnic status for the travellers and we have to work with that. I cannot say what site is better than another, only that every site causes masses anxiety and anger. Believe me, if there were solutions we would have pursued them by now. Meanwhile, we all need to exercise some degree of tolerance unless they are specifically causing harm." So there you have it. SeeTheBee
  • Score: 7

7:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

If you email Councillor Dion, Portfolio Holder for a Prosperous, Sustainable and Active Poole, re: this debate, using her poole.gov.uk address, you will likely receive this standard reply:

"Further to your email:
many of us in Poole are badly affected by travellers recently being around our sites (Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Creekmoor, Canford Ciffs, Oakdale... This is a borough wide situation. We are all affected.
There are some key facts about the Travellers that we have to bear in mind. whatever we feel about them.
1) they are waiting for sites to open at Blandford steam fair (opening in less than 2 weeks)
2) they are not wanting to be any place rural and want to stay around in bournemouth and poole and have implored us to find somewhere for them (we know there is nowhere suitable) we cannot nor would want to move them by force.
3) they have used and always will use,really heavy duty cutting gear to access sites that includes cutting height barriers
4) we have already gone to court 4 times to get evictions and more are in the pipeline

Height barriers at Baiter and any other car park eliminates legitimiate users but does not guarantee protection against travellers (they use cutters). Baiter and other car parks has many legitimate users with bicycles on their roofs, minibuses etc. as well as legitimate camper vans and they need access.

Many residents are, understandably. endeavouring to protect their own nearby spaces. I don't think its acceptable for travellers to be anywhere in Poole, as we simply do not have a suitable or acceptable (to residents) piece of land and I personally believe they should use proper camp sites like anyone else, but this is their 'traveller' way of life (I am told by central gov) and they are allowed to go anywhere it seems.

As I have said to other residents I (and probably most if not all other Councillors) am as frustrated and angry as anyone else, but the Gypsy Council have been successful in gaining minority ethnic status for the travellers and we have to work with that. I cannot say what site is better than another, only that every site causes masses anxiety and anger.

Believe me, if there were solutions we would have pursued them by now. Meanwhile, we all need to exercise some degree of tolerance unless they are specifically causing harm."

So there you have it.
If you email Councillor Dion, Portfolio Holder for a Prosperous, Sustainable and Active Poole, re: this debate, using her poole.gov.uk address, you will likely receive this standard reply: "Further to your email: many of us in Poole are badly affected by travellers recently being around our sites (Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Creekmoor, Canford Ciffs, Oakdale... This is a borough wide situation. We are all affected. There are some key facts about the Travellers that we have to bear in mind. whatever we feel about them. 1) they are waiting for sites to open at Blandford steam fair (opening in less than 2 weeks) 2) they are not wanting to be any place rural and want to stay around in bournemouth and poole and have implored us to find somewhere for them (we know there is nowhere suitable) we cannot nor would want to move them by force. 3) they have used and always will use,really heavy duty cutting gear to access sites that includes cutting height barriers 4) we have already gone to court 4 times to get evictions and more are in the pipeline Height barriers at Baiter and any other car park eliminates legitimiate users but does not guarantee protection against travellers (they use cutters). Baiter and other car parks has many legitimate users with bicycles on their roofs, minibuses etc. as well as legitimate camper vans and they need access. Many residents are, understandably. endeavouring to protect their own nearby spaces. I don't think its acceptable for travellers to be anywhere in Poole, as we simply do not have a suitable or acceptable (to residents) piece of land and I personally believe they should use proper camp sites like anyone else, but this is their 'traveller' way of life (I am told by central gov) and they are allowed to go anywhere it seems. As I have said to other residents I (and probably most if not all other Councillors) am as frustrated and angry as anyone else, but the Gypsy Council have been successful in gaining minority ethnic status for the travellers and we have to work with that. I cannot say what site is better than another, only that every site causes masses anxiety and anger. Believe me, if there were solutions we would have pursued them by now. Meanwhile, we all need to exercise some degree of tolerance unless they are specifically causing harm." So there you have it. SeeTheBee
  • Score: 8

7:29pm Wed 13 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

If you email Councillor Dion, Portfolio Holder for a Prosperous, Sustainable and Active Poole, re: this debate, using her poole.gov.uk address, you will likely receive this standard reply:

"Further to your email:
many of us in Poole are badly affected by travellers recently being around our sites (Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Creekmoor, Canford Ciffs, Oakdale... This is a borough wide situation. We are all affected.
There are some key facts about the Travellers that we have to bear in mind. whatever we feel about them.
1) they are waiting for sites to open at Blandford steam fair (opening in less than 2 weeks)
2) they are not wanting to be any place rural and want to stay around in bournemouth and poole and have implored us to find somewhere for them (we know there is nowhere suitable) we cannot nor would want to move them by force.
3) they have used and always will use,really heavy duty cutting gear to access sites that includes cutting height barriers
4) we have already gone to court 4 times to get evictions and more are in the pipeline

Height barriers at Baiter and any other car park eliminates legitimiate users but does not guarantee protection against travellers (they use cutters). Baiter and other car parks has many legitimate users with bicycles on their roofs, minibuses etc. as well as legitimate camper vans and they need access.

Many residents are, understandably. endeavouring to protect their own nearby spaces. I don't think its acceptable for travellers to be anywhere in Poole, as we simply do not have a suitable or acceptable (to residents) piece of land and I personally believe they should use proper camp sites like anyone else, but this is their 'traveller' way of life (I am told by central gov) and they are allowed to go anywhere it seems.

As I have said to other residents I (and probably most if not all other Councillors) am as frustrated and angry as anyone else, but the Gypsy Council have been successful in gaining minority ethnic status for the travellers and we have to work with that. I cannot say what site is better than another, only that every site causes masses anxiety and anger.

Believe me, if there were solutions we would have pursued them by now. Meanwhile, we all need to exercise some degree of tolerance unless they are specifically causing harm."

So there you have it.
If you email Councillor Dion, Portfolio Holder for a Prosperous, Sustainable and Active Poole, re: this debate, using her poole.gov.uk address, you will likely receive this standard reply: "Further to your email: many of us in Poole are badly affected by travellers recently being around our sites (Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Creekmoor, Canford Ciffs, Oakdale... This is a borough wide situation. We are all affected. There are some key facts about the Travellers that we have to bear in mind. whatever we feel about them. 1) they are waiting for sites to open at Blandford steam fair (opening in less than 2 weeks) 2) they are not wanting to be any place rural and want to stay around in bournemouth and poole and have implored us to find somewhere for them (we know there is nowhere suitable) we cannot nor would want to move them by force. 3) they have used and always will use,really heavy duty cutting gear to access sites that includes cutting height barriers 4) we have already gone to court 4 times to get evictions and more are in the pipeline Height barriers at Baiter and any other car park eliminates legitimiate users but does not guarantee protection against travellers (they use cutters). Baiter and other car parks has many legitimate users with bicycles on their roofs, minibuses etc. as well as legitimate camper vans and they need access. Many residents are, understandably. endeavouring to protect their own nearby spaces. I don't think its acceptable for travellers to be anywhere in Poole, as we simply do not have a suitable or acceptable (to residents) piece of land and I personally believe they should use proper camp sites like anyone else, but this is their 'traveller' way of life (I am told by central gov) and they are allowed to go anywhere it seems. As I have said to other residents I (and probably most if not all other Councillors) am as frustrated and angry as anyone else, but the Gypsy Council have been successful in gaining minority ethnic status for the travellers and we have to work with that. I cannot say what site is better than another, only that every site causes masses anxiety and anger. Believe me, if there were solutions we would have pursued them by now. Meanwhile, we all need to exercise some degree of tolerance unless they are specifically causing harm." So there you have it. SeeTheBee
  • Score: 9

7:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

PS apologies for the three postings, not my intention.
PS apologies for the three postings, not my intention. SeeTheBee
  • Score: -2

7:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BunnyR says...

How come the council can't afford to provide public toilets in Poole for the law abiding tax paying residents, but they provide toilets and skips for the "Travellers"?
I've also heard that if the police trace an untaxed vehicle to a traveller, they drop the case.
Police, councillors etc. are afraid of them.
How come the council can't afford to provide public toilets in Poole for the law abiding tax paying residents, but they provide toilets and skips for the "Travellers"? I've also heard that if the police trace an untaxed vehicle to a traveller, they drop the case. Police, councillors etc. are afraid of them. BunnyR
  • Score: 12

7:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

BunnyR says...

The next thing is the council will replace the "Park and Ride" sign, with something along the lines of "Permanent Travellers Site".
The next thing is the council will replace the "Park and Ride" sign, with something along the lines of "Permanent Travellers Site". BunnyR
  • Score: -3

7:56pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Wow, Creekmoor is going to be pretty empty if all the permanent residents are ever evicted for the sort of behaviour that the travellers are being accused of, and happens there all the time. The courts will be pretty busy. Perhaps they could go and live in Bournemouth? I hear they have quite a few derelict buildings that no-one's got the nerve to CPO.
Wow, Creekmoor is going to be pretty empty if all the permanent residents are ever evicted for the sort of behaviour that the travellers are being accused of, and happens there all the time. The courts will be pretty busy. Perhaps they could go and live in Bournemouth? I hear they have quite a few derelict buildings that no-one's got the nerve to CPO. ashleycross
  • Score: -10

7:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

JustForPoole says...

saynomore wrote:
Amazing!! My original post deleted because I described the council as gutless and run by a useless individual,so Bye for now,this will be gone in a minute.
I know the feeling ... recently my posts went missing because I was critical of the Council and Police .... shame cos I enjoy telling the truth!!!
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Amazing!! My original post deleted because I described the council as gutless and run by a useless individual,so Bye for now,this will be gone in a minute.[/p][/quote]I know the feeling ... recently my posts went missing because I was critical of the Council and Police .... shame cos I enjoy telling the truth!!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 2

8:23pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

BunnyR wrote:
The next thing is the council will replace the "Park and Ride" sign, with something along the lines of "Permanent Travellers Site".
In which case, I think several people will get on to the Department of Transport who gave the original grant to build a park and ride to tell them about how their money was being spent.

The only people to blame for the failure of the park and ride are the council - they knew best and didn't listen to the now proven reasons why it wouldn't work.

They'd definitely be punishing the residents of Creekmoor if they did turn it into a traveller site.
[quote][p][bold]BunnyR[/bold] wrote: The next thing is the council will replace the "Park and Ride" sign, with something along the lines of "Permanent Travellers Site".[/p][/quote]In which case, I think several people will get on to the Department of Transport who gave the original grant to build a park and ride to tell them about how their money was being spent. The only people to blame for the failure of the park and ride are the council - they knew best and didn't listen to the now proven reasons why it wouldn't work. They'd definitely be punishing the residents of Creekmoor if they did turn it into a traveller site. Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dustbindanny says...

Councillor,s and MP,s are only interested in one thing and it is not you the Council Tax payer, it is what you contribute every year to them? Why do we need these People when they obey unelected Councils in Brussels. What really, is the point of voting in this once Great Country of ours???
Councillor,s and MP,s are only interested in one thing and it is not you the Council Tax payer, it is what you contribute every year to them? Why do we need these People when they obey unelected Councils in Brussels. What really, is the point of voting in this once Great Country of ours??? dustbindanny
  • Score: -4

9:18pm Wed 13 Aug 14

some-people says...

Surely poole council by not taking action to evict are breaching planning laws by effectively allowing a travellers site here.
Surely poole council by not taking action to evict are breaching planning laws by effectively allowing a travellers site here. some-people
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

exocet says...

poolequarter wrote:
Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???
goes to important seminars and meetings.Oh! The stress
[quote][p][bold]poolequarter[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???[/p][/quote]goes to important seminars and meetings.Oh! The stress exocet
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

I've just read what was said at the January meeting where the creekmoor site was refused. It would appear that councilor Atkinson stated that the Mayor Eades was effectively pushing the creekmoor site.

I wonder if this was because branksome triangle is in his ward and was one of only 2 sites identified by the independent experts as suitable. Several months on its easy to read between the lines that the recommended sites in 2012 have been brushed under the carpet. A look on google maps shows the branksome triangle site is easily more suitable between 2 railway lines and heavily wooded on most sides with one entry road and. Urgently used as Lv park and ride. Please could any councilor tell me why this site is not suitable? I doubt they will.
I've just read what was said at the January meeting where the creekmoor site was refused. It would appear that councilor Atkinson stated that the Mayor Eades was effectively pushing the creekmoor site. I wonder if this was because branksome triangle is in his ward and was one of only 2 sites identified by the independent experts as suitable. Several months on its easy to read between the lines that the recommended sites in 2012 have been brushed under the carpet. A look on google maps shows the branksome triangle site is easily more suitable between 2 railway lines and heavily wooded on most sides with one entry road and. Urgently used as Lv park and ride. Please could any councilor tell me why this site is not suitable? I doubt they will. DiggerRuss
  • Score: 4

10:05pm Wed 13 Aug 14

fireflier says...

Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years.
These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.
Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years. These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next. fireflier
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

fireflier says...

some-people wrote:
Surely poole council by not taking action to evict are breaching planning laws by effectively allowing a travellers site here.
Yep! Exactly right.......but they will only act against tax-paying residents!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]some-people[/bold] wrote: Surely poole council by not taking action to evict are breaching planning laws by effectively allowing a travellers site here.[/p][/quote]Yep! Exactly right.......but they will only act against tax-paying residents!!!!! fireflier
  • Score: 0

10:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ebb Tide says...

fireflier wrote:
some-people wrote:
Surely poole council by not taking action to evict are breaching planning laws by effectively allowing a travellers site here.
Yep! Exactly right.......but they will only act against tax-paying residents!!!!!
If at all !!!!
[quote][p][bold]fireflier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]some-people[/bold] wrote: Surely poole council by not taking action to evict are breaching planning laws by effectively allowing a travellers site here.[/p][/quote]Yep! Exactly right.......but they will only act against tax-paying residents!!!!![/p][/quote]If at all !!!! Ebb Tide
  • Score: -1

10:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

poolequarter says...

exocet wrote:
poolequarter wrote:
Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???
goes to important seminars and meetings.Oh! The stress
Can someone remind me ... whst is his salary for doing absolutely nothing
[quote][p][bold]exocet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poolequarter[/bold] wrote: Can someone please tell me what does our DPC Martyn Underhill do on a day to day basis???[/p][/quote]goes to important seminars and meetings.Oh! The stress[/p][/quote]Can someone remind me ... whst is his salary for doing absolutely nothing poolequarter
  • Score: 3

11:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

Travelers - 1

Poole Council/citizens - 0

Goal scored - Own goal by Poole Council. A gift.

Next year will provide a bumper crop of 'travelers'. Enjoy!

You get what you ask for, Poole. Remember when elections next come around. Perhaps some 'holders' need to be separated from their 'portfolios'.
Travelers - 1 Poole Council/citizens - 0 Goal scored - Own goal by Poole Council. A gift. Next year will provide a bumper crop of 'travelers'. Enjoy! You get what you ask for, Poole. Remember when elections next come around. Perhaps some 'holders' need to be separated from their 'portfolios'. Yankee1
  • Score: 4

11:17pm Wed 13 Aug 14

newfinder says...

The council say "Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site." but how is footing the cost let me think... hhhhmm that will be the local tax payer then. If the travellers paid the council some money to stay there to pay for the Damage and the cost of the Skips and the Toilets etc then that might make local residence a little happier but instead this will come out of our Council tax and reduce the money that is available for local roads, schools or improvements to our local area.
The council say "Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site." but how is footing the cost let me think... hhhhmm that will be the local tax payer then. If the travellers paid the council some money to stay there to pay for the Damage and the cost of the Skips and the Toilets etc then that might make local residence a little happier but instead this will come out of our Council tax and reduce the money that is available for local roads, schools or improvements to our local area. newfinder
  • Score: 4

11:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Interesting topical 'traveller site' news breaking about a perfectly decent retired couple in Bosbury Herefordshire who were helping fight the siting of a Council 'Traveller' site in the County very near to their pleasant cottage.

Having lost the latest round in their battle with the Council and Officers in the matter the poor people decided that they would prefer to commit suicide than have 'travellers' as neighbours.

Enough of this!
Pretty scummy and unnecessarily emotive thing to do that Muzzy. You have no evidence to link this dreadful event to a letter of objection on a planning application for a very small site. It's also reported that the poor lady concerned had severe dementia and in most reasonable people's minds that's a far more likely explanation for the very sad situation is it not?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Interesting topical 'traveller site' news breaking about a perfectly decent retired couple in Bosbury Herefordshire who were helping fight the siting of a Council 'Traveller' site in the County very near to their pleasant cottage. Having lost the latest round in their battle with the Council and Officers in the matter the poor people decided that they would prefer to commit suicide than have 'travellers' as neighbours. Enough of this![/p][/quote]Pretty scummy and unnecessarily emotive thing to do that Muzzy. You have no evidence to link this dreadful event to a letter of objection on a planning application for a very small site. It's also reported that the poor lady concerned had severe dementia and in most reasonable people's minds that's a far more likely explanation for the very sad situation is it not? Baysider
  • Score: 0

11:43pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

If I remember right, when the original TSP's were proposed the people at Creekmoor had no objections to travellers being there, they were solely concerned with the travellers welfare and the unsuitability of the site. That was the basis of most of the objections, so a suitable site in Creekmoor should be no problem. You can't have it both ways.
If I remember right, when the original TSP's were proposed the people at Creekmoor had no objections to travellers being there, they were solely concerned with the travellers welfare and the unsuitability of the site. That was the basis of most of the objections, so a suitable site in Creekmoor should be no problem. You can't have it both ways. Wackerone
  • Score: 1

11:55pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

muscliffman wrote:
So far to my knowledge not one elected Poole Councillor has publicly condemned these so called 'travellers' or spoken remotely in line with very evident public opinion about this whole disgraceful farce - in fact the only noise (it seems mostly from some Lib-dems) appears to tacitly support the alleged 'travellers'.

Is anyone in Poole seriously going to vote ANY of these present Councillors back into Office next year?
Yep, me and most of the residents of other wards with the probable exception of Creekmoor. May Haines, Peter Pawlowski and Neil Sorton are fine by me. There will be very little change in the council come next year when the electorate have voted.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: So far to my knowledge not one elected Poole Councillor has publicly condemned these so called 'travellers' or spoken remotely in line with very evident public opinion about this whole disgraceful farce - in fact the only noise (it seems mostly from some Lib-dems) appears to tacitly support the alleged 'travellers'. Is anyone in Poole seriously going to vote ANY of these present Councillors back into Office next year?[/p][/quote]Yep, me and most of the residents of other wards with the probable exception of Creekmoor. May Haines, Peter Pawlowski and Neil Sorton are fine by me. There will be very little change in the council come next year when the electorate have voted. Wackerone
  • Score: -7

2:47am Thu 14 Aug 14

Bob49 says...

Travellers are supposedly protected by a ruling made in an English court by an English judge. That ruling set out how they were defined as a seperate ethnic group.

Yet NEVER ONCE have I read of any local council explaining what checks are made to determine that these folk fall within that definition.

In that light I urge all locals to challenge their ward councillors to tell them what checks are being made, when those checks are made and by whom. I think there would be an extremely large number of locals who would like some answers in regard to this matter.

So getting asking - by letter, email or phone - and make sure the Daily Echo reports any replies from the council

LETS USE THEIR LAW FOR US FOR ONCE
Travellers are supposedly protected by a ruling made in an English court by an English judge. That ruling set out how they were defined as a seperate ethnic group. Yet NEVER ONCE have I read of any local council explaining what checks are made to determine that these folk fall within that definition. In that light I urge all locals to challenge their ward councillors to tell them what checks are being made, when those checks are made and by whom. I think there would be an extremely large number of locals who would like some answers in regard to this matter. So getting asking - by letter, email or phone - and make sure the Daily Echo reports any replies from the council LETS USE THEIR LAW FOR US FOR ONCE Bob49
  • Score: 1

5:59am Thu 14 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

fireflier wrote:
Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years.
These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.
I think you'll find it that this supposed crime wave is an unfounded rumour as crime statistics are now in the public domain.
[quote][p][bold]fireflier[/bold] wrote: Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years. These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it that this supposed crime wave is an unfounded rumour as crime statistics are now in the public domain. ashleycross
  • Score: 2

5:59am Thu 14 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

fireflier wrote:
Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years.
These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.
I think you'll find it that this supposed crime wave is an unfounded rumour as crime statistics are now in the public domain.
[quote][p][bold]fireflier[/bold] wrote: Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years. These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it that this supposed crime wave is an unfounded rumour as crime statistics are now in the public domain. ashleycross
  • Score: 1

7:00am Thu 14 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Bob49 wrote:
Travellers are supposedly protected by a ruling made in an English court by an English judge. That ruling set out how they were defined as a seperate ethnic group.

Yet NEVER ONCE have I read of any local council explaining what checks are made to determine that these folk fall within that definition.

In that light I urge all locals to challenge their ward councillors to tell them what checks are being made, when those checks are made and by whom. I think there would be an extremely large number of locals who would like some answers in regard to this matter.

So getting asking - by letter, email or phone - and make sure the Daily Echo reports any replies from the council

LETS USE THEIR LAW FOR US FOR ONCE
Again...why don't you pick up the phone and ask them yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: Travellers are supposedly protected by a ruling made in an English court by an English judge. That ruling set out how they were defined as a seperate ethnic group. Yet NEVER ONCE have I read of any local council explaining what checks are made to determine that these folk fall within that definition. In that light I urge all locals to challenge their ward councillors to tell them what checks are being made, when those checks are made and by whom. I think there would be an extremely large number of locals who would like some answers in regard to this matter. So getting asking - by letter, email or phone - and make sure the Daily Echo reports any replies from the council LETS USE THEIR LAW FOR US FOR ONCE[/p][/quote]Again...why don't you pick up the phone and ask them yourself? Baysider
  • Score: 0

8:37am Thu 14 Aug 14

RM says...

apm1954 wrote:
Elections next year bring on poole people party , sort this shower out.
In fairness, it appears that these decisions are being taken by Council staff rather than Cllrs. Seems like the tail wags the dog at BoP.
[quote][p][bold]apm1954[/bold] wrote: Elections next year bring on poole people party , sort this shower out.[/p][/quote]In fairness, it appears that these decisions are being taken by Council staff rather than Cllrs. Seems like the tail wags the dog at BoP. RM
  • Score: 3

9:02am Thu 14 Aug 14

SeeTheBee says...

ashleycross wrote:
fireflier wrote:
Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years.
These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.
I think you'll find it that this supposed crime wave is an unfounded rumour as crime statistics are now in the public domain.
I share your concern that a lot of comments in these threads are unsubstantiated, which really doesn't help the debate. Where do I find the stats to which you refer?
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fireflier[/bold] wrote: Is it just coincidence that Corfe Mullen is experiencing one of the worst periods of break-in's to vehicles and garages that we have encounterd for some years. These Kackers break the law every day they spend in our community ....and powers-that-be do SFA to get them out of our area. So they can flout the law about where they put their huts-on-wheels. Probably then spend their time planning what to 'nick' next.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it that this supposed crime wave is an unfounded rumour as crime statistics are now in the public domain.[/p][/quote]I share your concern that a lot of comments in these threads are unsubstantiated, which really doesn't help the debate. Where do I find the stats to which you refer? SeeTheBee
  • Score: 2

9:24am Thu 14 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

Wackerone wrote:
If I remember right, when the original TSP's were proposed the people at Creekmoor had no objections to travellers being there, they were solely concerned with the travellers welfare and the unsuitability of the site. That was the basis of most of the objections, so a suitable site in Creekmoor should be no problem. You can't have it both ways.
Initially Creekmoor residents were annoyed at the underhand way Mayor Eades and others pulled the TSP out of the hat and dumped it on Creekmoor. As has been mentioned in an earlier post, £250.000 was paid to a consultant who recommended amongst other prime choices Branksome as one of the most suitable location. Creekmoor had already been discounted and didn't feature in the report. Later it became apparent Creekmoor had other issues that made it unsuitable. At the time categorical assurances were made that the P&R was out of the question as per government restrictions on its use. Hence our annoyance now. Thus far I estimate more than £500.000 of tax payers money has been wasted on this matter. No wonder these travellers think we are all a joke.
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: If I remember right, when the original TSP's were proposed the people at Creekmoor had no objections to travellers being there, they were solely concerned with the travellers welfare and the unsuitability of the site. That was the basis of most of the objections, so a suitable site in Creekmoor should be no problem. You can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]Initially Creekmoor residents were annoyed at the underhand way Mayor Eades and others pulled the TSP out of the hat and dumped it on Creekmoor. As has been mentioned in an earlier post, £250.000 was paid to a consultant who recommended amongst other prime choices Branksome as one of the most suitable location. Creekmoor had already been discounted and didn't feature in the report. Later it became apparent Creekmoor had other issues that made it unsuitable. At the time categorical assurances were made that the P&R was out of the question as per government restrictions on its use. Hence our annoyance now. Thus far I estimate more than £500.000 of tax payers money has been wasted on this matter. No wonder these travellers think we are all a joke. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 11

9:31am Thu 14 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

DiggerRuss wrote:
I've just read what was said at the January meeting where the creekmoor site was refused. It would appear that councilor Atkinson stated that the Mayor Eades was effectively pushing the creekmoor site.

I wonder if this was because branksome triangle is in his ward and was one of only 2 sites identified by the independent experts as suitable. Several months on its easy to read between the lines that the recommended sites in 2012 have been brushed under the carpet. A look on google maps shows the branksome triangle site is easily more suitable between 2 railway lines and heavily wooded on most sides with one entry road and. Urgently used as Lv park and ride. Please could any councilor tell me why this site is not suitable? I doubt they will.
Eades should have been told by Atkinson in no uncertain terms that he should not be pushing or even commenting at all! He was mayor at the time and one of the functions of the mayor is to remain IMPARTIAL.
[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote: I've just read what was said at the January meeting where the creekmoor site was refused. It would appear that councilor Atkinson stated that the Mayor Eades was effectively pushing the creekmoor site. I wonder if this was because branksome triangle is in his ward and was one of only 2 sites identified by the independent experts as suitable. Several months on its easy to read between the lines that the recommended sites in 2012 have been brushed under the carpet. A look on google maps shows the branksome triangle site is easily more suitable between 2 railway lines and heavily wooded on most sides with one entry road and. Urgently used as Lv park and ride. Please could any councilor tell me why this site is not suitable? I doubt they will.[/p][/quote]Eades should have been told by Atkinson in no uncertain terms that he should not be pushing or even commenting at all! He was mayor at the time and one of the functions of the mayor is to remain IMPARTIAL. Carolyn43
  • Score: 6

10:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

The Liberal says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?
Well, yes. It seems that the park and ride is now a de facto approved traveller site. Lord only knows how many will arrive there next year.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Well they'll certainly know where to head straight to next year won't they?[/p][/quote]Well, yes. It seems that the park and ride is now a de facto approved traveller site. Lord only knows how many will arrive there next year. The Liberal
  • Score: 1

12:24pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ledge374 says...

Just take matters into your own hands and make the Creekmoor site inaccessible totally. We all know tradesman that need to dispose of rubble etc, just place this at the entrances so no one can get access, no amount of bolt cutters will get through that. Problems like travellers, crime, vandalism etc will all be stopped. Problem solved
Just take matters into your own hands and make the Creekmoor site inaccessible totally. We all know tradesman that need to dispose of rubble etc, just place this at the entrances so no one can get access, no amount of bolt cutters will get through that. Problems like travellers, crime, vandalism etc will all be stopped. Problem solved ledge374
  • Score: 0

2:39am Wed 20 Aug 14

Creekmoron says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
DiggerRuss wrote: I've just read what was said at the January meeting where the creekmoor site was refused. It would appear that councilor Atkinson stated that the Mayor Eades was effectively pushing the creekmoor site. I wonder if this was because branksome triangle is in his ward and was one of only 2 sites identified by the independent experts as suitable. Several months on its easy to read between the lines that the recommended sites in 2012 have been brushed under the carpet. A look on google maps shows the branksome triangle site is easily more suitable between 2 railway lines and heavily wooded on most sides with one entry road and. Urgently used as Lv park and ride. Please could any councilor tell me why this site is not suitable? I doubt they will.
Eades should have been told by Atkinson in no uncertain terms that he should not be pushing or even commenting at all! He was mayor at the time and one of the functions of the mayor is to remain IMPARTIAL.
Eades wouldnt know the meaning of impartial if it smacked him in the face!
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote: I've just read what was said at the January meeting where the creekmoor site was refused. It would appear that councilor Atkinson stated that the Mayor Eades was effectively pushing the creekmoor site. I wonder if this was because branksome triangle is in his ward and was one of only 2 sites identified by the independent experts as suitable. Several months on its easy to read between the lines that the recommended sites in 2012 have been brushed under the carpet. A look on google maps shows the branksome triangle site is easily more suitable between 2 railway lines and heavily wooded on most sides with one entry road and. Urgently used as Lv park and ride. Please could any councilor tell me why this site is not suitable? I doubt they will.[/p][/quote]Eades should have been told by Atkinson in no uncertain terms that he should not be pushing or even commenting at all! He was mayor at the time and one of the functions of the mayor is to remain IMPARTIAL.[/p][/quote]Eades wouldnt know the meaning of impartial if it smacked him in the face! Creekmoron
  • Score: 0

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