Cyclists to get route  along Castle Lane

Roadworks are being carried out along Castle Lane West

Roadworks are being carried out along Castle Lane West

First published in News

CYCLISTS will be given their own route along Castle Lane in Bournemouth thanks to £50,000 funding from the Department for Transport.

A section of Castle Lane West between Boundary Lane and Yeomans Roundabout is set to be serviced by a cycle route to benefit people who work at Castlepoint and for students from the nearby schools.

Just a month after her visit to Poole and Bournemouth on July 7, Baroness Kramer, Transport Minister, said: “We’re serious about making transport better for the environment, whether that is by cutting carbon or improving air quality.

“Encouraging more people to cycle or use public transport makes sense for local economies because it reduces congestion and improves public health.”

Baroness Kramer added: “Today’s announcement comes hot on the heels of the £440million we announced for sustainable transport schemes last month.

“This additional money will help communities build on their success and see even more people making new travel choices.”

Road works are being carried out along Castle Lane West which are expected to finish in September.

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2:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

oldgiraffe says...

Hope it's built to a better standard to those on Canford Heath. Reel bone shakers on anything other than a mountain bike!
Hope it's built to a better standard to those on Canford Heath. Reel bone shakers on anything other than a mountain bike! oldgiraffe
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Commonsense? says...

Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.
Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda. Commonsense?
  • Score: -3

2:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

burgerboy says...

oldgiraffe wrote:
Hope it's built to a better standard to those on Canford Heath. Reel bone shakers on anything other than a mountain bike!
Most cyclist can't be bothered to use the cycle paths and lanes when supplied anyway,they would rather wobble all over the road and complain when they are nearly taken out by other road users.
Where there are cycle paths it should be made law to use them.
[quote][p][bold]oldgiraffe[/bold] wrote: Hope it's built to a better standard to those on Canford Heath. Reel bone shakers on anything other than a mountain bike![/p][/quote]Most cyclist can't be bothered to use the cycle paths and lanes when supplied anyway,they would rather wobble all over the road and complain when they are nearly taken out by other road users. Where there are cycle paths it should be made law to use them. burgerboy
  • Score: -5

3:00pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Boscgrrl says...

burgerboy wrote:
oldgiraffe wrote:
Hope it's built to a better standard to those on Canford Heath. Reel bone shakers on anything other than a mountain bike!
Most cyclist can't be bothered to use the cycle paths and lanes when supplied anyway,they would rather wobble all over the road and complain when they are nearly taken out by other road users.
Where there are cycle paths it should be made law to use them.
I like cycle paths - they have to be really crap for me to not want to use them. there are not many I use in Bourneouth!
[quote][p][bold]burgerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldgiraffe[/bold] wrote: Hope it's built to a better standard to those on Canford Heath. Reel bone shakers on anything other than a mountain bike![/p][/quote]Most cyclist can't be bothered to use the cycle paths and lanes when supplied anyway,they would rather wobble all over the road and complain when they are nearly taken out by other road users. Where there are cycle paths it should be made law to use them.[/p][/quote]I like cycle paths - they have to be really crap for me to not want to use them. there are not many I use in Bourneouth! Boscgrrl
  • Score: -1

3:00pm Mon 11 Aug 14

chelsea53 says...

Then can someone enforce the no cycling on the pavement law. I walk daily from Iford to the hospital and back. About a mile. Often count of a dozen sometimes 18 cyclists on the pavement. There are cycle lanes. They don't use them. All ages and sadly all rude and expect you to get out of their way.
Then can someone enforce the no cycling on the pavement law. I walk daily from Iford to the hospital and back. About a mile. Often count of a dozen sometimes 18 cyclists on the pavement. There are cycle lanes. They don't use them. All ages and sadly all rude and expect you to get out of their way. chelsea53
  • Score: 15

3:08pm Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Commonsense? wrote:
Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.
Excellent idea, and for some further intelligent 'joined up thinking' of this same calibre we can then all tow the weeks family shopping home behind our bikes in Castlepoint shopping trolleys - just hope it isn't raining!
[quote][p][bold]Commonsense?[/bold] wrote: Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.[/p][/quote]Excellent idea, and for some further intelligent 'joined up thinking' of this same calibre we can then all tow the weeks family shopping home behind our bikes in Castlepoint shopping trolleys - just hope it isn't raining! muscliffman
  • Score: 3

3:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them.

But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.
If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them. But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'. muscliffman
  • Score: 5

3:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

InkZ says...

I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road. InkZ
  • Score: 9

5:03pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Townee says...

Pity they don't spend the same about of road fund money on fixing the roads. We have been short changed for a very long time with government spending our money on other stupid ideas. Who want HS2 not many in the south, it would be nice to get a good rail network in the south.
Pity they don't spend the same about of road fund money on fixing the roads. We have been short changed for a very long time with government spending our money on other stupid ideas. Who want HS2 not many in the south, it would be nice to get a good rail network in the south. Townee
  • Score: 2

5:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

loftusrod says...

InkZ wrote:
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
Well said.
Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.
[quote][p][bold]InkZ[/bold] wrote: I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use. loftusrod
  • Score: 9

6:14pm Mon 11 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

loftusrod wrote:
InkZ wrote:
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
Well said.
Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.
Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law.
If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets!
[quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InkZ[/bold] wrote: I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.[/p][/quote]Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law. If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets! folkprotector
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Mon 11 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

I really do hope there is a big push to really improve the cycle lane infrastructure in Poole and Bournemouth, in terms of coverage and quality.

This is the right idea: http://www.copenhage
nize.com/2014/03/whe
re-do-you-want-to-go
.html?m=1

Looking forward to seeing how this project will pan-out.
I really do hope there is a big push to really improve the cycle lane infrastructure in Poole and Bournemouth, in terms of coverage and quality. This is the right idea: http://www.copenhage nize.com/2014/03/whe re-do-you-want-to-go .html?m=1 Looking forward to seeing how this project will pan-out. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Bob Bournemouth says...

Why is the DE running this story yet again. The roadworks started weeks ago and anyone who uses that part of Castle Lane knows what a pain ithey are - I hope it will be worth it but I doubt it will get used much.
Why is the DE running this story yet again. The roadworks started weeks ago and anyone who uses that part of Castle Lane knows what a pain ithey are - I hope it will be worth it but I doubt it will get used much. Bob Bournemouth
  • Score: 3

6:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

blackdog1 says...

What a waste of £50000. Try fixing the roads first!
What a waste of £50000. Try fixing the roads first! blackdog1
  • Score: 4

7:10pm Mon 11 Aug 14

rozmister says...

Townee wrote:
Pity they don't spend the same about of road fund money on fixing the roads. We have been short changed for a very long time with government spending our money on other stupid ideas. Who want HS2 not many in the south, it would be nice to get a good rail network in the south.
The Council received £349,312 of central government funding for road repairs in January 2014. I wouldn't say that's a lack of funding in the slightest!

Got the info here - http://www.bournemou
th.gov.uk/NewsEvents
/Projects/Investment
improvementcampaign/
RoadRescue/WhatisRoa
dRescue.aspx
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: Pity they don't spend the same about of road fund money on fixing the roads. We have been short changed for a very long time with government spending our money on other stupid ideas. Who want HS2 not many in the south, it would be nice to get a good rail network in the south.[/p][/quote]The Council received £349,312 of central government funding for road repairs in January 2014. I wouldn't say that's a lack of funding in the slightest! Got the info here - http://www.bournemou th.gov.uk/NewsEvents /Projects/Investment improvementcampaign/ RoadRescue/WhatisRoa dRescue.aspx rozmister
  • Score: 2

7:26pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Commonsense? says...

muscliffman wrote:
Commonsense? wrote:
Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.
Excellent idea, and for some further intelligent 'joined up thinking' of this same calibre we can then all tow the weeks family shopping home behind our bikes in Castlepoint shopping trolleys - just hope it isn't raining!
I wasn't suggesting that you put your weeks worth of food shopping on a bike in the rain. It works in Holland & other European countries but, of course, here the car is king & most will happily sit in a traffic jam when a bicycle would suffice & be quicker too. So, for your weekly shop - use the car, I do! Run out of bread & milk? Use the bike!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Commonsense?[/bold] wrote: Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.[/p][/quote]Excellent idea, and for some further intelligent 'joined up thinking' of this same calibre we can then all tow the weeks family shopping home behind our bikes in Castlepoint shopping trolleys - just hope it isn't raining![/p][/quote]I wasn't suggesting that you put your weeks worth of food shopping on a bike in the rain. It works in Holland & other European countries but, of course, here the car is king & most will happily sit in a traffic jam when a bicycle would suffice & be quicker too. So, for your weekly shop - use the car, I do! Run out of bread & milk? Use the bike! Commonsense?
  • Score: 2

7:47pm Mon 11 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

50 Grand grant. Nice.
How much will the Council put in?
250 Grand?
50 Grand grant. Nice. How much will the Council put in? 250 Grand? BIGTONE
  • Score: -2

8:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

blackdog1 wrote:
What a waste of £50000. Try fixing the roads first!
How much? On 26th June the Echo reported this Castle Lane 'improvement' scheme would cost £650,000 - so presumably the little £50,000 reported today is just some sort of extra top up. Anyway it appears it's well on the way to a £Million for fancy new cycle lanes on a short section of a road where nobody ever used the previous ones!
[quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: What a waste of £50000. Try fixing the roads first![/p][/quote]How much? On 26th June the Echo reported this Castle Lane 'improvement' scheme would cost £650,000 - so presumably the little £50,000 reported today is just some sort of extra top up. Anyway it appears it's well on the way to a £Million for fancy new cycle lanes on a short section of a road where nobody ever used the previous ones! muscliffman
  • Score: -1

9:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Lord Spring says...

Where is Boundary Lane in Bournemouth ?


A section of Castle Lane West between Boundary Lane and Yeomans Roundabout is set to be serviced by a cycle route to benefit people who work at Castlepoint and for students from the nearby schools.
Where is Boundary Lane in Bournemouth ? A section of Castle Lane West between Boundary Lane and Yeomans Roundabout is set to be serviced by a cycle route to benefit people who work at Castlepoint and for students from the nearby schools. Lord Spring
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Phixer says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Where is Boundary Lane in Bournemouth ?


A section of Castle Lane West between Boundary Lane and Yeomans Roundabout is set to be serviced by a cycle route to benefit people who work at Castlepoint and for students from the nearby schools.
St Leonards!

Another report from the Echo written during lunch at The Print Room.

PS, for the benefit of the cubs, you meant Broadway Lane.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Where is Boundary Lane in Bournemouth ? A section of Castle Lane West between Boundary Lane and Yeomans Roundabout is set to be serviced by a cycle route to benefit people who work at Castlepoint and for students from the nearby schools.[/p][/quote]St Leonards! Another report from the Echo written during lunch at The Print Room. PS, for the benefit of the cubs, you meant Broadway Lane. Phixer
  • Score: 4

10:30pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Turtlebay says...

What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes!

Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane!
What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes! Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane! Turtlebay
  • Score: -1

10:57pm Mon 11 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

Turtlebay wrote:
What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes!

Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane!
Cyclists don't use the current cycle lanes because they are not fit for purpose.

This: http://www.fethiyeti
mes.com/news/44-news
/7339-fethiye-counci
l-opens-its-first-pr
otected-cycle-lane.h
tm - is the cyclelane along the harbour in Fethiye, a town in Turkey.

This type of Cycle lane, although granted is not realistic everywhere, is a great idea, very safe and I'd like to see more of this in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes! Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane![/p][/quote]Cyclists don't use the current cycle lanes because they are not fit for purpose. This: http://www.fethiyeti mes.com/news/44-news /7339-fethiye-counci l-opens-its-first-pr otected-cycle-lane.h tm - is the cyclelane along the harbour in Fethiye, a town in Turkey. This type of Cycle lane, although granted is not realistic everywhere, is a great idea, very safe and I'd like to see more of this in the UK. boardsandphotos
  • Score: 1

11:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

ragj195 says...

folkprotector wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
InkZ wrote:
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
Well said.
Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.
Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law.
If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets!
While I see car drivers staring a their phones between their legs while driving there is no chance what so ever I will let my eight year old daughter ride on a busy road. When we go for a bike ride around Harewood Ave she will often ride on the pavement and I'll be on the road. If she sees a pedestrian she stops and waits for them to pass before continuing. So, am I being irresponsible for letting her ride on the pavement rather than what I class as a dangerous road? Or is she being responsible by stopping so not to cause distress?

Unfortunately the roads are just too dangerous these days because drivers are being distracted by too many gadgets.
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InkZ[/bold] wrote: I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.[/p][/quote]Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law. If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets![/p][/quote]While I see car drivers staring a their phones between their legs while driving there is no chance what so ever I will let my eight year old daughter ride on a busy road. When we go for a bike ride around Harewood Ave she will often ride on the pavement and I'll be on the road. If she sees a pedestrian she stops and waits for them to pass before continuing. So, am I being irresponsible for letting her ride on the pavement rather than what I class as a dangerous road? Or is she being responsible by stopping so not to cause distress? Unfortunately the roads are just too dangerous these days because drivers are being distracted by too many gadgets. ragj195
  • Score: 0

12:24am Tue 12 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

Commonsense? wrote:
Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.
Can you honestly envisage anyone going to castle point to do a weeks shopping on a bike or wanting to purchase a new television, I think the car is a better idea.
[quote][p][bold]Commonsense?[/bold] wrote: Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.[/p][/quote]Can you honestly envisage anyone going to castle point to do a weeks shopping on a bike or wanting to purchase a new television, I think the car is a better idea. Hessenford
  • Score: -1

12:29am Tue 12 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.
Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code. penhalereturns
  • Score: 0

6:46am Tue 12 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.
And peds!
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.[/p][/quote]And peds! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 5

6:49am Tue 12 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

muscliffman wrote:
If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them.

But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.
They should stop spending money on pavements too most pavements are deserted most of the time!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them. But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.[/p][/quote]They should stop spending money on pavements too most pavements are deserted most of the time! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 0

6:59am Tue 12 Aug 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Good to see the Doomster Duo commenting on this one,grumble grumble. It will be used but the pavement is the safer option
Good to see the Doomster Duo commenting on this one,grumble grumble. It will be used but the pavement is the safer option nosuchluck54
  • Score: 2

7:27am Tue 12 Aug 14

boardsandphotos says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.
Like all other road users you mean?
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.[/p][/quote]Like all other road users you mean? boardsandphotos
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Redgolfer says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.
Like all other road users you mean?
And while you are at it, cannot cyclist not have some form of identification, like number plates and insurance as other road users have to, or are they exempt from being reported and identified to the authorities when doing something wrong, such as racing on public roads around town as if they are on the TDFrance !!!
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.[/p][/quote]Like all other road users you mean?[/p][/quote]And while you are at it, cannot cyclist not have some form of identification, like number plates and insurance as other road users have to, or are they exempt from being reported and identified to the authorities when doing something wrong, such as racing on public roads around town as if they are on the TDFrance !!! Redgolfer
  • Score: -1

1:50pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

ragj195 wrote:
folkprotector wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
InkZ wrote:
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
Well said.
Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.
Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law.
If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets!
While I see car drivers staring a their phones between their legs while driving there is no chance what so ever I will let my eight year old daughter ride on a busy road. When we go for a bike ride around Harewood Ave she will often ride on the pavement and I'll be on the road. If she sees a pedestrian she stops and waits for them to pass before continuing. So, am I being irresponsible for letting her ride on the pavement rather than what I class as a dangerous road? Or is she being responsible by stopping so not to cause distress?

Unfortunately the roads are just too dangerous these days because drivers are being distracted by too many gadgets.
My comments about riding on pavements was aimed at adults. In view of the carelessness and/or aggression of some drivers your daughter is right to use the relative safety of the pavement. As she grows she will, with the right education and advice feel confident to get off the pavement onto the cycle paths. Then she'll be able, with the right encouragement, to use cycle lanes. If she grows to assume that every other road user around her is likely to do something unpredictable at any time she'll end up being able to anticipate potential dangers AND be able to cope with those situations. Then... she'll be ready to become a competent motorist.
This is how I taught my own son. He does daily commute in west London, with confidence and being aware of his surroundings.
No! He does ride through red lights, nor ride the wrong way down one-way streets, nor ride on pavements other than where there are cycle paths. My daughter-in-law is a responsible woman who, if he broke the law while riding his bike, would give him h3ll!
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InkZ[/bold] wrote: I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.[/p][/quote]Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law. If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets![/p][/quote]While I see car drivers staring a their phones between their legs while driving there is no chance what so ever I will let my eight year old daughter ride on a busy road. When we go for a bike ride around Harewood Ave she will often ride on the pavement and I'll be on the road. If she sees a pedestrian she stops and waits for them to pass before continuing. So, am I being irresponsible for letting her ride on the pavement rather than what I class as a dangerous road? Or is she being responsible by stopping so not to cause distress? Unfortunately the roads are just too dangerous these days because drivers are being distracted by too many gadgets.[/p][/quote]My comments about riding on pavements was aimed at adults. In view of the carelessness and/or aggression of some drivers your daughter is right to use the relative safety of the pavement. As she grows she will, with the right education and advice feel confident to get off the pavement onto the cycle paths. Then she'll be able, with the right encouragement, to use cycle lanes. If she grows to assume that every other road user around her is likely to do something unpredictable at any time she'll end up being able to anticipate potential dangers AND be able to cope with those situations. Then... she'll be ready to become a competent motorist. This is how I taught my own son. He does daily commute in west London, with confidence and being aware of his surroundings. No! He does ride through red lights, nor ride the wrong way down one-way streets, nor ride on pavements other than where there are cycle paths. My daughter-in-law is a responsible woman who, if he broke the law while riding his bike, would give him h3ll! folkprotector
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

loftusrod wrote:
InkZ wrote:
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
Well said.
Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.
They're a lot less dangerous than when not using a cycle lane that is there to be used.
[quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InkZ[/bold] wrote: I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.[/p][/quote]They're a lot less dangerous than when not using a cycle lane that is there to be used. folkprotector
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

Commonsense? wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Commonsense? wrote:
Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.
Excellent idea, and for some further intelligent 'joined up thinking' of this same calibre we can then all tow the weeks family shopping home behind our bikes in Castlepoint shopping trolleys - just hope it isn't raining!
I wasn't suggesting that you put your weeks worth of food shopping on a bike in the rain. It works in Holland & other European countries but, of course, here the car is king & most will happily sit in a traffic jam when a bicycle would suffice & be quicker too. So, for your weekly shop - use the car, I do! Run out of bread & milk? Use the bike!
Seconded!
[quote][p][bold]Commonsense?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Commonsense?[/bold] wrote: Well, that's a good step forward to reducing car use. Might not be a bad idea to provide some secure cycle lockers at castle point, then people might be encouraged to go shopping on their bicycles - but that's a bit too much like joined up thinking so I doubt that'll be in anyone's agenda.[/p][/quote]Excellent idea, and for some further intelligent 'joined up thinking' of this same calibre we can then all tow the weeks family shopping home behind our bikes in Castlepoint shopping trolleys - just hope it isn't raining![/p][/quote]I wasn't suggesting that you put your weeks worth of food shopping on a bike in the rain. It works in Holland & other European countries but, of course, here the car is king & most will happily sit in a traffic jam when a bicycle would suffice & be quicker too. So, for your weekly shop - use the car, I do! Run out of bread & milk? Use the bike![/p][/quote]Seconded! folkprotector
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

Turtlebay wrote:
What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes!

Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane!
If ALL road users drove/rode properly we'd all be considerably safer. The trouble is common sense - a highly valuable asset for any road user - is far from common.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes! Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane![/p][/quote]If ALL road users drove/rode properly we'd all be considerably safer. The trouble is common sense - a highly valuable asset for any road user - is far from common. folkprotector
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them.

But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.
They should stop spending money on pavements too most pavements are deserted most of the time!
Proof, if ever we needed it, that this country is turning into an anarchic motoring state.
There are plenty of people using pavements in my area. Consider also Ashley Road, or Westbourne, or Winston, or Charminster, or Kinsonn, or... .
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them. But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.[/p][/quote]They should stop spending money on pavements too most pavements are deserted most of the time![/p][/quote]Proof, if ever we needed it, that this country is turning into an anarchic motoring state. There are plenty of people using pavements in my area. Consider also Ashley Road, or Westbourne, or Winston, or Charminster, or Kinsonn, or... . folkprotector
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

Redgolfer wrote:
boardsandphotos wrote:
penhalereturns wrote:
Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.
Like all other road users you mean?
And while you are at it, cannot cyclist not have some form of identification, like number plates and insurance as other road users have to, or are they exempt from being reported and identified to the authorities when doing something wrong, such as racing on public roads around town as if they are on the TDFrance !!!
Good idea. All unidentifiable bikes can then be seized immediately and scrapped. On the spot fines, on a sliding scale of severity can levied on any transgressors.
Then of course encouraging all road and pavement users to be a great deal more tolerant would work well.
[quote][p][bold]Redgolfer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Ban all cyclists until they have passed a test to show they are competent to be anywhere near the road and have basic knowledge of the highway code.[/p][/quote]Like all other road users you mean?[/p][/quote]And while you are at it, cannot cyclist not have some form of identification, like number plates and insurance as other road users have to, or are they exempt from being reported and identified to the authorities when doing something wrong, such as racing on public roads around town as if they are on the TDFrance !!![/p][/quote]Good idea. All unidentifiable bikes can then be seized immediately and scrapped. On the spot fines, on a sliding scale of severity can levied on any transgressors. Then of course encouraging all road and pavement users to be a great deal more tolerant would work well. folkprotector
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Tue 12 Aug 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

folkprotector wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them.

But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.
They should stop spending money on pavements too most pavements are deserted most of the time!
Proof, if ever we needed it, that this country is turning into an anarchic motoring state.
There are plenty of people using pavements in my area. Consider also Ashley Road, or Westbourne, or Winston, or Charminster, or Kinsonn, or... .
Of course they are used where people are shopping although for how much longer; the high streets are all but dead! 90% of pavements are hardly used, all pavements should be shared routes where necessary! Oh and ID for peds with on the spot fines for jay walking using a mobile phone while crossing the road; while just walking even! And in particular walking without due care and attention!
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: If cycle lanes are provided on Castle Lane of the 'solid line' variety, which means cars cannot enter them in any circumstances, then reason and safe common sense dictates that cyclists must legally use and remain inside them. But the basic problem here is that unchallenged 'green' pro-cycling policies very fashionable in certain political circles about ten years ago are only just catching up with practical developments. Today I am sure most of the voting population do NOT want their money spent on this sort of road 'improvement'.[/p][/quote]They should stop spending money on pavements too most pavements are deserted most of the time![/p][/quote]Proof, if ever we needed it, that this country is turning into an anarchic motoring state. There are plenty of people using pavements in my area. Consider also Ashley Road, or Westbourne, or Winston, or Charminster, or Kinsonn, or... .[/p][/quote]Of course they are used where people are shopping although for how much longer; the high streets are all but dead! 90% of pavements are hardly used, all pavements should be shared routes where necessary! Oh and ID for peds with on the spot fines for jay walking using a mobile phone while crossing the road; while just walking even! And in particular walking without due care and attention! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

suzigirl says...

Turtlebay wrote:
What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes! Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane!
Don't mention "lycra" you will get plenty of thumbs down for that........anyway another total waste of money.............
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: What a waste of money since cyclists aren't forced to use cycle lanes! Though you can imagine the furore of the lycra brigade if a motorist dares to use a cycle lane![/p][/quote]Don't mention "lycra" you will get plenty of thumbs down for that........anyway another total waste of money............. suzigirl
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Tue 12 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

folkprotector wrote:
ragj195 wrote:
folkprotector wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
InkZ wrote:
I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.
Well said.
Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.
Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law.
If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets!
While I see car drivers staring a their phones between their legs while driving there is no chance what so ever I will let my eight year old daughter ride on a busy road. When we go for a bike ride around Harewood Ave she will often ride on the pavement and I'll be on the road. If she sees a pedestrian she stops and waits for them to pass before continuing. So, am I being irresponsible for letting her ride on the pavement rather than what I class as a dangerous road? Or is she being responsible by stopping so not to cause distress?

Unfortunately the roads are just too dangerous these days because drivers are being distracted by too many gadgets.
My comments about riding on pavements was aimed at adults. In view of the carelessness and/or aggression of some drivers your daughter is right to use the relative safety of the pavement. As she grows she will, with the right education and advice feel confident to get off the pavement onto the cycle paths. Then she'll be able, with the right encouragement, to use cycle lanes. If she grows to assume that every other road user around her is likely to do something unpredictable at any time she'll end up being able to anticipate potential dangers AND be able to cope with those situations. Then... she'll be ready to become a competent motorist.
This is how I taught my own son. He does daily commute in west London, with confidence and being aware of his surroundings.
No! He does ride through red lights, nor ride the wrong way down one-way streets, nor ride on pavements other than where there are cycle paths. My daughter-in-law is a responsible woman who, if he broke the law while riding his bike, would give him h3ll!
Oops, "... he does NOT ride through red lights..."
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InkZ[/bold] wrote: I wonder what variety of cycle lane this one will be. One that puts you in between two lanes of traffic crossing over you, one with parking spaces for camera vans, one where they don't sweep the pine needles off, so you can't actually use it, one which is so narrow you can't actually use it without slipping on drains and getting clipped by wing mirrors on passing cars, or one which makes you stop at every side road.[/p][/quote]Well said. Most cycle lanes are too dangerous to use.[/p][/quote]Is that why many bike riders, as distinct from true cyclists, ride on pavements that are only meant for pedestrians? Youngsters need education, possibly at school, while adults have no valid excuse for flouting the law. If you ride a bike on a pavement that is not a cycle path or a path to be shared with pedestrians you are acting irresponsibly. That is true whether or not you protest. Use cycle paths to reduce the risks of either hitting a pedestrian or being struck by a careless driver. Roadside cycle lanes are good as long as passing motorists don't use responsible bike riding users of them as targets![/p][/quote]While I see car drivers staring a their phones between their legs while driving there is no chance what so ever I will let my eight year old daughter ride on a busy road. When we go for a bike ride around Harewood Ave she will often ride on the pavement and I'll be on the road. If she sees a pedestrian she stops and waits for them to pass before continuing. So, am I being irresponsible for letting her ride on the pavement rather than what I class as a dangerous road? Or is she being responsible by stopping so not to cause distress? Unfortunately the roads are just too dangerous these days because drivers are being distracted by too many gadgets.[/p][/quote]My comments about riding on pavements was aimed at adults. In view of the carelessness and/or aggression of some drivers your daughter is right to use the relative safety of the pavement. As she grows she will, with the right education and advice feel confident to get off the pavement onto the cycle paths. Then she'll be able, with the right encouragement, to use cycle lanes. If she grows to assume that every other road user around her is likely to do something unpredictable at any time she'll end up being able to anticipate potential dangers AND be able to cope with those situations. Then... she'll be ready to become a competent motorist. This is how I taught my own son. He does daily commute in west London, with confidence and being aware of his surroundings. No! He does ride through red lights, nor ride the wrong way down one-way streets, nor ride on pavements other than where there are cycle paths. My daughter-in-law is a responsible woman who, if he broke the law while riding his bike, would give him h3ll![/p][/quote]Oops, "... he does NOT ride through red lights..." folkprotector
  • Score: -1

7:43am Wed 13 Aug 14

Gastines3 says...

Not a cyclist but I note the usual spending mania from our Councillors on new schemes.Go down Whitelegg Way and you will see that the cycle lane is virtually unusable due to the trees and weeds reducing the width. Go over the bridge in New Road to Parley and cyclists have to be about a metre out in the road to avoid all the weeds and growth.
Keep building and spending on new schemes but let everything in the whole area fall apart seems to be the norm.
Not a cyclist but I note the usual spending mania from our Councillors on new schemes.Go down Whitelegg Way and you will see that the cycle lane is virtually unusable due to the trees and weeds reducing the width. Go over the bridge in New Road to Parley and cyclists have to be about a metre out in the road to avoid all the weeds and growth. Keep building and spending on new schemes but let everything in the whole area fall apart seems to be the norm. Gastines3
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