New traveller camp arrives at Sterte while number of caravans double at Creekmoor

Travellers at Sterte this morning

Travellers at the former Creekmoor park and ride site today

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TRAVELLERS are congregating at the former park and ride site in Creekmoor, and a new illegal encampment has sprung up elsewhere in Poole.

Today there are 16 caravans and motor homes at the large Creekmoor site – double the number there on Friday.

There were also three caravans and a motor home newly arrived at Sterte Esplanade in Poole – part of the group which had been camped at Baiter, and moved on at the weekend. 

The swelling in size of the Creekmoor encampment has confirmed residents’ worst fears, reflected by Creekmoor Councillor Judy Butt, who told the Echo on Friday: “We are holding our breath waiting for the next lot to turn up.” 

She said she and other ward councillors had been inundated with enquiries from residents over the weekend about when and if the council will begin the legal process to move the group on.

The councillor added: “We are asking the council daily when the eviction process will be put in place, as it has been in other wards.

“The deepest concern of the residents is that this site will be seen as a magnet. A nice central place to stay – they’ve got loos, they’ve got skips – a place they can stay undisturbed until the air show and steam fair. That is the theory residents are writing to us with.”

Borough of Poole regulatory services manager Peter Haikin confirmed council officers made further visits to the Creekmoor site.

He said: “Temporary toilets and a skip have been provided in order to reduce any contamination and subsequent clean-up costs.

“We are continuing to monitor the site to identify if there is any detrimental effect on the local community, as we are required to do for all unauthorised encampments. This is a necessary part of the legal process to obtain a court order for the eventual removal of the travellers.”

Elsewhere in the borough the traveller group at the harbourside car park at Baiter moved on over the weekend –having been served with an eviction order on Friday afternoon.

Most left on Saturday night and the remaining group on Sunday morning. Council officers found the site had been left in a reasonable state – and a full clean up has now taken place.  

And the group of seven caravans camped north of Napier Road in Hamworthy vacated that site on Saturday.

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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10:07am Mon 11 Aug 14

grazzer says...

The Echo states that any reference to Gypsies will be removed then goes on to say that Romany Gypsies are a legally recognised ethnic race.So if we are not allowed to mention legally recognised races does this mean that all references to Arabs,Jews,Zulus and Aztcs etc are also forbidden?
The Echo states that any reference to Gypsies will be removed then goes on to say that Romany Gypsies are a legally recognised ethnic race.So if we are not allowed to mention legally recognised races does this mean that all references to Arabs,Jews,Zulus and Aztcs etc are also forbidden? grazzer
  • Score: 74

10:10am Mon 11 Aug 14

raynad says...

How can "more travelers" just turn up? Don't the police have someone stopping them or is it a oh well might as well have them all illegally in one spot situation? Wish I could go anywhere/park anywhere and do it for free!
How can "more travelers" just turn up? Don't the police have someone stopping them or is it a oh well might as well have them all illegally in one spot situation? Wish I could go anywhere/park anywhere and do it for free! raynad
  • Score: 51

10:33am Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. "
After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles?
I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year. Jo__Go
  • Score: 23

10:38am Mon 11 Aug 14

Lord gungedin of Ferndown says...

Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County.
Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.
Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County. Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps. Lord gungedin of Ferndown
  • Score: 54

10:38am Mon 11 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

"There's no application to support an application for eviction"

In that case is there someone who will support an application to support all creekoor residents stop council tax payments for September.

One illegal act by our council deserves another!
"There's no application to support an application for eviction" In that case is there someone who will support an application to support all creekoor residents stop council tax payments for September. One illegal act by our council deserves another! DiggerRuss
  • Score: 83

10:58am Mon 11 Aug 14

Teddy 1 says...

Lots of space in branksome park. We would welcome them here.
Lots of space in branksome park. We would welcome them here. Teddy 1
  • Score: 10

10:58am Mon 11 Aug 14

kangaroo_joey says...

Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.
Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls. kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 144

10:59am Mon 11 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. "
After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles?
I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
Poole Council has a history of getting things well and truly wrong and that's probably why the travellers know they can run rings around them.
The Park and Ride went ahead in spite of the majority of people staying it wouldn't work. Additionally, they received a grant from Department of Transport, and the rest of the money was dependent on a huge contribution from Dolphin Quays development, which didn’t materialise.
Neil Butterworth received leaked information, published and wouldn't tell the council who the "mole" was. There were not at all pleased that the financial blunders that they hadn’t taken business rates and running costs of the park and ride into account had got out and accused the person who leaked it of "lacking morality”.
They are now punishing the residents of Creekmoor for their own planning committee refusing planning permission. Has ex-mayor Eades anything to do with it? He ditched his impartial remit as mayor by suggesting the park and ride in the midst of the discussions. They apply for eviction notices everywhere else, but seem to be not bothering for the park and ride. It’s only Creekmoor – we can cr*p on those residents when we like. The failure of the park and ride and refusal of permission for the unsuitable TSP is totally down to the council, but they’ll never admit it. That’s what it says about their lack of morality and principles.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]Poole Council has a history of getting things well and truly wrong and that's probably why the travellers know they can run rings around them. The Park and Ride went ahead in spite of the majority of people staying it wouldn't work. Additionally, they received a grant from Department of Transport, and the rest of the money was dependent on a huge contribution from Dolphin Quays development, which didn’t materialise. Neil Butterworth received leaked information, published and wouldn't tell the council who the "mole" was. There were not at all pleased that the financial blunders that they hadn’t taken business rates and running costs of the park and ride into account had got out and accused the person who leaked it of "lacking morality”. They are now punishing the residents of Creekmoor for their own planning committee refusing planning permission. Has ex-mayor Eades anything to do with it? He ditched his impartial remit as mayor by suggesting the park and ride in the midst of the discussions. They apply for eviction notices everywhere else, but seem to be not bothering for the park and ride. It’s only Creekmoor – we can cr*p on those residents when we like. The failure of the park and ride and refusal of permission for the unsuitable TSP is totally down to the council, but they’ll never admit it. That’s what it says about their lack of morality and principles. Carolyn43
  • Score: 29

11:01am Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Interesting ... I just got a warning that I'm beginning to upset some users of this site ... now I wonder who that might be? And why and how?
I sincerely hope the Echo will not simply remove comments without any judgment as to whether they truly have the capacity to be upsetting, rather than simply shining a light on an ugly truth...
Interesting ... I just got a warning that I'm beginning to upset some users of this site ... now I wonder who that might be? And why and how? I sincerely hope the Echo will not simply remove comments without any judgment as to whether they truly have the capacity to be upsetting, rather than simply shining a light on an ugly truth... Jo__Go
  • Score: 35

11:07am Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Just checked back, and the Echo have indeed removed my earlier post . Anyone who saw it will immediately know who and why it got reported; it simply stated that the P&R has become a de facto TSP, despite the Council's own process having ruled it utterly unsuitable and unacceptable to fulfill that role. As suspected, the comment was simply removed just because it 'upset' someone in authority. Do these people have any idea how upset the residents of Creekmoor are at their unjustifiable smugness? If only we could remove these jobsworths just as easily...
Just checked back, and the Echo have indeed removed my earlier post . Anyone who saw it will immediately know who and why it got reported; it simply stated that the P&R has become a de facto TSP, despite the Council's own process having ruled it utterly unsuitable and unacceptable to fulfill that role. As suspected, the comment was simply removed just because it 'upset' someone in authority. Do these people have any idea how upset the residents of Creekmoor are at their unjustifiable smugness? If only we could remove these jobsworths just as easily... Jo__Go
  • Score: 84

11:09am Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous! muscliffman
  • Score: 46

11:09am Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Carolyn, you've quoted my post, expect to get punished when those failing miserably in their duty to the residents and taxpayers spot it... :(
Carolyn, you've quoted my post, expect to get punished when those failing miserably in their duty to the residents and taxpayers spot it... :( Jo__Go
  • Score: 20

11:15am Mon 11 Aug 14

John T says...

Are these travAllers a newly recognised legally protected group, or will the OHEC allow us to be rude about them?
Are these travAllers a newly recognised legally protected group, or will the OHEC allow us to be rude about them? John T
  • Score: 20

11:17am Mon 11 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor...
I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded.
"Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections.
Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve!
But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor... I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded. "Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections. Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve! But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor. dogsoftheworld
  • Score: 22

11:18am Mon 11 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.
If you have assault recorded, I would make a complaint against said officers for not doing their duty. Let the echo publish the pictures.

It may shame them into action.
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.[/p][/quote]If you have assault recorded, I would make a complaint against said officers for not doing their duty. Let the echo publish the pictures. It may shame them into action. DiggerRuss
  • Score: 67

11:23am Mon 11 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

Whether they come from Ireland or the UK, they are not the travellers we are being forced to think they are by the Daily Echo on each of these stories. These are people who use the cover of this ruling, intially introduced by an English Judge some 20 years ago. Whilst these So Called Travellers hide behind this false rulings of Race Relations or Ethnic Equality, we the residents of both towns suffer the ridicule that these people confront us with, like the incident at Sterte.

Where are rights for a peaceful and filth free public areas, where are our rights to not be riduculed or attacked by these people. The last time I looked I am English, I am British, yet I cannot say what I want in my own country for media fear of upsetting this minority of free pushers.
Whether they come from Ireland or the UK, they are not the travellers we are being forced to think they are by the Daily Echo on each of these stories. These are people who use the cover of this ruling, intially introduced by an English Judge some 20 years ago. Whilst these So Called Travellers hide behind this false rulings of Race Relations or Ethnic Equality, we the residents of both towns suffer the ridicule that these people confront us with, like the incident at Sterte. Where are rights for a peaceful and filth free public areas, where are our rights to not be riduculed or attacked by these people. The last time I looked I am English, I am British, yet I cannot say what I want in my own country for media fear of upsetting this minority of free pushers. TheDistrict
  • Score: 52

11:32am Mon 11 Aug 14

aboobica says...

One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.
One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges. aboobica
  • Score: 31

11:33am Mon 11 Aug 14

disquiet says...

I couldn’t have been the only one who saw Eades & Underhill (Police & Crime Commissioner) having a cosy drink prior to the weekend? I wonder what mutually beneficial agreement they were coming to?
I couldn’t have been the only one who saw Eades & Underhill (Police & Crime Commissioner) having a cosy drink prior to the weekend? I wonder what mutually beneficial agreement they were coming to? disquiet
  • Score: 48

11:45am Mon 11 Aug 14

charlie2004 says...

For crying out loud how much longer is this going to be allowed to go on. They are free loaders and to try calling them anything else is simply pathetic. This rag states, they are Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers and are legally recognised as ethnic groups. Has the reporter seen their passports for proof that this is what tribe they come from, thought not. They pay for nothing and you expect the very people who pick up the bill for the filth and damage they leave to be polite about them. Like I said....PATHETIC.
For crying out loud how much longer is this going to be allowed to go on. They are free loaders and to try calling them anything else is simply pathetic. This rag states, they are Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers and are legally recognised as ethnic groups. Has the reporter seen their passports for proof that this is what tribe they come from, thought not. They pay for nothing and you expect the very people who pick up the bill for the filth and damage they leave to be polite about them. Like I said....PATHETIC. charlie2004
  • Score: 52

11:47am Mon 11 Aug 14

flipflops says...

grazzer wrote:
The Echo states that any reference to Gypsies will be removed then goes on to say that Romany Gypsies are a legally recognised ethnic race.So if we are not allowed to mention legally recognised races does this mean that all references to Arabs,Jews,Zulus and Aztcs etc are also forbidden?
but these travellers are not romany gypsies are they? I thought they were Irish travellers here to tarmac our drives with leftover tarmac ,while they wait for the steam fair to open
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: The Echo states that any reference to Gypsies will be removed then goes on to say that Romany Gypsies are a legally recognised ethnic race.So if we are not allowed to mention legally recognised races does this mean that all references to Arabs,Jews,Zulus and Aztcs etc are also forbidden?[/p][/quote]but these travellers are not romany gypsies are they? I thought they were Irish travellers here to tarmac our drives with leftover tarmac ,while they wait for the steam fair to open flipflops
  • Score: 32

11:50am Mon 11 Aug 14

penhalereturns says...

Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.
Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money. penhalereturns
  • Score: -65

11:52am Mon 11 Aug 14

flipflops says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.
can you put the recording on youtube please? we wont get to see it any other way.
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.[/p][/quote]can you put the recording on youtube please? we wont get to see it any other way. flipflops
  • Score: 51

11:57am Mon 11 Aug 14

flipflops says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.
good idea. leave them to wallow in their own filth. put a padlock and guard dogs on the gates to stop them from leaving.
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.[/p][/quote]good idea. leave them to wallow in their own filth. put a padlock and guard dogs on the gates to stop them from leaving. flipflops
  • Score: 19

12:06pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Hessenford says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.
Great idea, weld the entrance shut and let them live in their own squaller hen perhaps they may take some pride in where they go.
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.[/p][/quote]Great idea, weld the entrance shut and let them live in their own squaller hen perhaps they may take some pride in where they go. Hessenford
  • Score: 19

12:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Faith2007 says...

It's the rubbish dumping that I'm not happy about making our neighbourhood look like a dump.
I don't understand why they can't be forced to move. Why wait for an eviction order. Surely it doesn't take that long to get one
It's the rubbish dumping that I'm not happy about making our neighbourhood look like a dump. I don't understand why they can't be forced to move. Why wait for an eviction order. Surely it doesn't take that long to get one Faith2007
  • Score: 8

12:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

moleman says...

If the police have powers to move travellers on under current legislation them why do they not do so? If Bournemouth Council can stop travellers trespassing on property and so can Wilts and Hants County Councils it suggests that our Police and Poole Council are incompetent at best or just don't give a **** about the residents and taxpayers of Creekmoor and Poole.
Wonder why people are thoroughly fed up with politicians. Crap on the people at your peril.
If the police have powers to move travellers on under current legislation them why do they not do so? If Bournemouth Council can stop travellers trespassing on property and so can Wilts and Hants County Councils it suggests that our Police and Poole Council are incompetent at best or just don't give a **** about the residents and taxpayers of Creekmoor and Poole. Wonder why people are thoroughly fed up with politicians. Crap on the people at your peril. moleman
  • Score: 22

12:22pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Faith2007 wrote:
It's the rubbish dumping that I'm not happy about making our neighbourhood look like a dump.
I don't understand why they can't be forced to move. Why wait for an eviction order. Surely it doesn't take that long to get one
It does when you can't be bothered to apply. Poole Council are refusing to evict them.
[quote][p][bold]Faith2007[/bold] wrote: It's the rubbish dumping that I'm not happy about making our neighbourhood look like a dump. I don't understand why they can't be forced to move. Why wait for an eviction order. Surely it doesn't take that long to get one[/p][/quote]It does when you can't be bothered to apply. Poole Council are refusing to evict them. Jo__Go
  • Score: 17

12:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

moleman wrote:
If the police have powers to move travellers on under current legislation them why do they not do so? If Bournemouth Council can stop travellers trespassing on property and so can Wilts and Hants County Councils it suggests that our Police and Poole Council are incompetent at best or just don't give a **** about the residents and taxpayers of Creekmoor and Poole. Wonder why people are thoroughly fed up with politicians. Crap on the people at your peril.
It's a question for Dorset Police and their PCC.
But there's a general misaprehension about Bournemouth council handling incursions better than Poole. They don't, they have the same problems as Poole and most of us are very aware of that!
[quote][p][bold]moleman[/bold] wrote: If the police have powers to move travellers on under current legislation them why do they not do so? If Bournemouth Council can stop travellers trespassing on property and so can Wilts and Hants County Councils it suggests that our Police and Poole Council are incompetent at best or just don't give a **** about the residents and taxpayers of Creekmoor and Poole. Wonder why people are thoroughly fed up with politicians. Crap on the people at your peril.[/p][/quote]It's a question for Dorset Police and their PCC. But there's a general misaprehension about Bournemouth council handling incursions better than Poole. They don't, they have the same problems as Poole and most of us are very aware of that! dogsoftheworld
  • Score: 9

12:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dogsoftheworld says...

moleman wrote:
If the police have powers to move travellers on under current legislation them why do they not do so? If Bournemouth Council can stop travellers trespassing on property and so can Wilts and Hants County Councils it suggests that our Police and Poole Council are incompetent at best or just don't give a **** about the residents and taxpayers of Creekmoor and Poole. Wonder why people are thoroughly fed up with politicians. Crap on the people at your peril.
It's a question for Dorset Police and their PCC.
But there's a general misaprehension about Bournemouth council handling incursions better than Poole. They don't, they have the same problems as Poole and most of us are very aware of that!
[quote][p][bold]moleman[/bold] wrote: If the police have powers to move travellers on under current legislation them why do they not do so? If Bournemouth Council can stop travellers trespassing on property and so can Wilts and Hants County Councils it suggests that our Police and Poole Council are incompetent at best or just don't give a **** about the residents and taxpayers of Creekmoor and Poole. Wonder why people are thoroughly fed up with politicians. Crap on the people at your peril.[/p][/quote]It's a question for Dorset Police and their PCC. But there's a general misaprehension about Bournemouth council handling incursions better than Poole. They don't, they have the same problems as Poole and most of us are very aware of that! dogsoftheworld
  • Score: 8

12:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

mungobean says...

I don't understand why they just evict them from one site so they can move on to another. Why can't they get a court order to evict them from the WHOLE of Poole? They're a bloomin nuisance. The ones that were camped on Turlin Moor were crapping in bushes, they're disgusting and i'm annoyed that my council tax is going to be used to clean up after them!!
I don't understand why they just evict them from one site so they can move on to another. Why can't they get a court order to evict them from the WHOLE of Poole? They're a bloomin nuisance. The ones that were camped on Turlin Moor were crapping in bushes, they're disgusting and i'm annoyed that my council tax is going to be used to clean up after them!! mungobean
  • Score: 27

12:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Faith2007 says...

mungobean wrote:
I don't understand why they just evict them from one site so they can move on to another. Why can't they get a court order to evict them from the WHOLE of Poole? They're a bloomin nuisance. The ones that were camped on Turlin Moor were crapping in bushes, they're disgusting and i'm annoyed that my council tax is going to be used to clean up after them!!
I totally agree!
It's pointless evicting them from one area knowing they'll just find somewhere up the road
[quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why they just evict them from one site so they can move on to another. Why can't they get a court order to evict them from the WHOLE of Poole? They're a bloomin nuisance. The ones that were camped on Turlin Moor were crapping in bushes, they're disgusting and i'm annoyed that my council tax is going to be used to clean up after them!![/p][/quote]I totally agree! It's pointless evicting them from one area knowing they'll just find somewhere up the road Faith2007
  • Score: 3

12:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Can anyone tell me the last time the police arrested and charged some that wasn't traffic related..the council couldn't run a bath
Can anyone tell me the last time the police arrested and charged some that wasn't traffic related..the council couldn't run a bath kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 21

12:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Can anyone tell me the last time the police arrested and charged some that wasn't traffic related..the council couldn't run a bath the police comedian should listed as a missing person And the bloke who supplies the skips and portfolios can be seen house hunting in Canford Cliffs
Can anyone tell me the last time the police arrested and charged some that wasn't traffic related..the council couldn't run a bath the police comedian should listed as a missing person And the bloke who supplies the skips and portfolios can be seen house hunting in Canford Cliffs kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 9

1:03pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kalebmoledirt says...

aboobica wrote:
One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.
I think that was the police amateur dramatics club demonstrating what could happen if they were local rate payers .I understand The Underhill bloke does a very good widow Tw+++y in panto
[quote][p][bold]aboobica[/bold] wrote: One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.[/p][/quote]I think that was the police amateur dramatics club demonstrating what could happen if they were local rate payers .I understand The Underhill bloke does a very good widow Tw+++y in panto kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 12

1:20pm Mon 11 Aug 14

rich53 says...

Until or councillors grow some b***s this will continue to happen,they may be well educated but they are Clueless
Until or councillors grow some b***s this will continue to happen,they may be well educated but they are Clueless rich53
  • Score: 9

1:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

psatlast says...

Don't worry,they'll be gone when the Steam Fair campsite opens and,by the way,genuine Romanys don't leave a mess behind.
Don't worry,they'll be gone when the Steam Fair campsite opens and,by the way,genuine Romanys don't leave a mess behind. psatlast
  • Score: 16

1:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

Lord gungedin of Ferndown wrote:
Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County.
Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.
Or maybe it's because Poole is a great free holiday location with stunning views and easy access to amenities and drives that need tarmacking? Camp illegally in the countryside and the bumpkins will shoot you.
[quote][p][bold]Lord gungedin of Ferndown[/bold] wrote: Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County. Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.[/p][/quote]Or maybe it's because Poole is a great free holiday location with stunning views and easy access to amenities and drives that need tarmacking? Camp illegally in the countryside and the bumpkins will shoot you. Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 14

1:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Desperado says...

What I cant get my head round is, why are these scum considered a protected species .
They are worse than wasps .
What I cant get my head round is, why are these scum considered a protected species . They are worse than wasps . Desperado
  • Score: 25

1:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

burgerboy says...

Faith2007 wrote:
mungobean wrote:
I don't understand why they just evict them from one site so they can move on to another. Why can't they get a court order to evict them from the WHOLE of Poole? They're a bloomin nuisance. The ones that were camped on Turlin Moor were crapping in bushes, they're disgusting and i'm annoyed that my council tax is going to be used to clean up after them!!
I totally agree!
It's pointless evicting them from one area knowing they'll just find somewhere up the road
Faith 2007,You need to make up your mind,your first comment stated "why can't they be forced to move" then you say it is pointless evicting them.
Maybe if you let them know your address they may like to move in with yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Faith2007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mungobean[/bold] wrote: I don't understand why they just evict them from one site so they can move on to another. Why can't they get a court order to evict them from the WHOLE of Poole? They're a bloomin nuisance. The ones that were camped on Turlin Moor were crapping in bushes, they're disgusting and i'm annoyed that my council tax is going to be used to clean up after them!![/p][/quote]I totally agree! It's pointless evicting them from one area knowing they'll just find somewhere up the road[/p][/quote]Faith 2007,You need to make up your mind,your first comment stated "why can't they be forced to move" then you say it is pointless evicting them. Maybe if you let them know your address they may like to move in with yourself. burgerboy
  • Score: 16

2:15pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Count at Creekmoor now up to 19 caravans.
Apparently still "there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order."
How many more have to pitch camp before anything gets done?
Count at Creekmoor now up to 19 caravans. Apparently still "there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order." How many more have to pitch camp before anything gets done? Jo__Go
  • Score: 21

2:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check. BIGTONE
  • Score: 28

2:51pm Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

BIGTONE wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant.

Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous!
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant. Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous! muscliffman
  • Score: 20

3:11pm Mon 11 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

I go away for ten days holiday and come back to this latest rumpus. Question. Are the council failing in their duty in not applying for an evection notice? Surly best to keep them on the move if the police are not going to take action, despite the evidence it would seem.

As for Eades, Atkinson and perhaps one or two others, it's not surprising to see what's known as 'Revenge Psychology' setting in, they had their noses put out of joint and were just waiting for the moment to get their own back on @The Creekmoor Mob' as Mr Trent so eloquently put it.
I hope the council is at least attempting to locate a site for next year without running up another huge consultancy bill. (Which indecently favoured Branksome as the preferred choice. Whoops, isn't that Mr Eades ward)?
I go away for ten days holiday and come back to this latest rumpus. Question. Are the council failing in their duty in not applying for an evection notice? Surly best to keep them on the move if the police are not going to take action, despite the evidence it would seem. As for Eades, Atkinson and perhaps one or two others, it's not surprising to see what's known as 'Revenge Psychology' setting in, they had their noses put out of joint and were just waiting for the moment to get their own back on @The Creekmoor Mob' as Mr Trent so eloquently put it. I hope the council is at least attempting to locate a site for next year without running up another huge consultancy bill. (Which indecently favoured Branksome as the preferred choice. Whoops, isn't that Mr Eades ward)? DorsetFerret
  • Score: 18

3:28pm Mon 11 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor...
I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded.
"Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections.
Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve!
But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.
Spot on. Quite sad that the councillors who fought hardest against the TSP site in Creekmoor are the ones likely to pay the price. Unfortunately something has to be done to break the Lib/Con stranglehold they have on the council. Poole People or UKIP for me next time.,
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor... I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded. "Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections. Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve! But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Quite sad that the councillors who fought hardest against the TSP site in Creekmoor are the ones likely to pay the price. Unfortunately something has to be done to break the Lib/Con stranglehold they have on the council. Poole People or UKIP for me next time., DorsetFerret
  • Score: 18

3:29pm Mon 11 Aug 14

asj says...

just cancel further steam rallies. and concrete the roads. thank you echo for the picture of one of them urinating.
just cancel further steam rallies. and concrete the roads. thank you echo for the picture of one of them urinating. asj
  • Score: 18

3:39pm Mon 11 Aug 14

nermal says...

BIGTONE wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
So if they are UK residents, then why can't they be fined and/or clamped or whatever for not paying for their parking, like any ordinary law-abiding person would be? Or arrested for criminal damage, when the police are shown evidence, like any ORDINARY PERSON would be?

Let's see if I'm allowed to say that. I suspect not. So much for freedom of speech.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.[/p][/quote]So if they are UK residents, then why can't they be fined and/or clamped or whatever for not paying for their parking, like any ordinary law-abiding person would be? Or arrested for criminal damage, when the police are shown evidence, like any ORDINARY PERSON would be? Let's see if I'm allowed to say that. I suspect not. So much for freedom of speech. nermal
  • Score: 18

3:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

BIGTONE says...

nermal says...So if they are UK residents, then why can't they be fined and/or clamped or whatever for not paying for their parking, like any ordinary law-abiding person would be?


The 64 Million Dollar question.

There is NO excuse that justifies lack of action or enforcement in the first instance.
nermal says...So if they are UK residents, then why can't they be fined and/or clamped or whatever for not paying for their parking, like any ordinary law-abiding person would be? The 64 Million Dollar question. There is NO excuse that justifies lack of action or enforcement in the first instance. BIGTONE
  • Score: 17

4:38pm Mon 11 Aug 14

JemBmth says...

Well Poole was trying to attract more 'tourists'! Blame Ben Fogle
Well Poole was trying to attract more 'tourists'! Blame Ben Fogle JemBmth
  • Score: -3

5:01pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kangaroo_joey says...

aboobica wrote:
One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.
They kept him in for 2 hours then released him as saw him strolling across the grass grinning smugly as the police didnt do anything just a token slap on the wrist
[quote][p][bold]aboobica[/bold] wrote: One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.[/p][/quote]They kept him in for 2 hours then released him as saw him strolling across the grass grinning smugly as the police didnt do anything just a token slap on the wrist kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 12

5:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

folkprotector says...

BIGTONE wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
I second this comment.
Anyone else?
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.[/p][/quote]I second this comment. Anyone else? folkprotector
  • Score: 11

5:59pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dontrews says...

Why are some of these comments on twice?
Why are some of these comments on twice? dontrews
  • Score: 0

6:11pm Mon 11 Aug 14

kinsonjim says...

Well Poole, you have set them up nicely with every convenience, but you are missing a Wetherspoons, might as well let them have a good time on cheap drinks, they will then come again next year then and give the ratepayers of Poole more expence. And the Old Bill something to do.
Well Poole, you have set them up nicely with every convenience, but you are missing a Wetherspoons, might as well let them have a good time on cheap drinks, they will then come again next year then and give the ratepayers of Poole more expence. And the Old Bill something to do. kinsonjim
  • Score: 3

6:32pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor...
I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded.
"Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections.
Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve!
But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.
The council received a grant from the Department of Transort for the park and ride at Creekmoor. If the council hasn't yet told them they're using it as a traveller site, they will know very soon.

Poole and Bournemouth have both been warned that they need to get their park and ride schemes up and running again, not that Poole's was every up and running, or they will not get any more transport grants. I didn't know we had any, but apparently there is one (private only for Victoria employees) at Branksome and at Poole Stadium (another private one).
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor... I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded. "Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections. Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve! But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.[/p][/quote]The council received a grant from the Department of Transort for the park and ride at Creekmoor. If the council hasn't yet told them they're using it as a traveller site, they will know very soon. Poole and Bournemouth have both been warned that they need to get their park and ride schemes up and running again, not that Poole's was every up and running, or they will not get any more transport grants. I didn't know we had any, but apparently there is one (private only for Victoria employees) at Branksome and at Poole Stadium (another private one). Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

6:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

lyns1509 says...

Wow I love waking up in the morning and looking out my window to find my view has been ruined by travellers dumping rubbish into the bushes on Sterte Esplanade. How is breaking and entering or dumping rubbish not a criminal felony these days? Perfect start to the morning! o.O
Wow I love waking up in the morning and looking out my window to find my view has been ruined by travellers dumping rubbish into the bushes on Sterte Esplanade. How is breaking and entering or dumping rubbish not a criminal felony these days? Perfect start to the morning! o.O lyns1509
  • Score: 11

6:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Just been reading about the Piddlehinton site. Seems one group of five illegally parked caravans were "persuaded" to go to the new site and pay rent, while another group at Monkeys Jump were left where they are with no plans to move them to the new site. There are twenty spaces still free.
Just been reading about the Piddlehinton site. Seems one group of five illegally parked caravans were "persuaded" to go to the new site and pay rent, while another group at Monkeys Jump were left where they are with no plans to move them to the new site. There are twenty spaces still free. Carolyn43
  • Score: -1

6:51pm Mon 11 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

raynad wrote:
How can "more travelers" just turn up? Don't the police have someone stopping them or is it a oh well might as well have them all illegally in one spot situation? Wish I could go anywhere/park anywhere and do it for free!
'How can "more travelers" just turn up?' It's easy. They'll all have been on their mobiles. "Come to Dorset, it's brilliant, they don't turf us straight out like other parts of the country do".
[quote][p][bold]raynad[/bold] wrote: How can "more travelers" just turn up? Don't the police have someone stopping them or is it a oh well might as well have them all illegally in one spot situation? Wish I could go anywhere/park anywhere and do it for free![/p][/quote]'How can "more travelers" just turn up?' It's easy. They'll all have been on their mobiles. "Come to Dorset, it's brilliant, they don't turf us straight out like other parts of the country do". breamoreboy
  • Score: 6

6:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Lilliput man says...

Residents of Poole are a minority group and need to be protected from undue outside influence. If the police and council are incapable of protecting residents as a minority group we should follow the example of the travellers and exercise our right not to pay the community charge . If we follow this example we shall enjoy far better service and understanding.
I suggest September is "no way do we pay" month
Residents of Poole are a minority group and need to be protected from undue outside influence. If the police and council are incapable of protecting residents as a minority group we should follow the example of the travellers and exercise our right not to pay the community charge . If we follow this example we shall enjoy far better service and understanding. I suggest September is "no way do we pay" month Lilliput man
  • Score: 11

6:52pm Mon 11 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. "
After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles?
I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
So do I, they'll get re-elected same as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]So do I, they'll get re-elected same as usual. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

7:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

mikeymagic says...

Looks like the bloke is relieving himself in public, which is an offence in itself. Still, when you won't get the police so much as ask the time of day, why not!!
Looks like the bloke is relieving himself in public, which is an offence in itself. Still, when you won't get the police so much as ask the time of day, why not!! mikeymagic
  • Score: 4

7:07pm Mon 11 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

disquiet wrote:
I couldn’t have been the only one who saw Eades & Underhill (Police & Crime Commissioner) having a cosy drink prior to the weekend? I wonder what mutually beneficial agreement they were coming to?
You sign my expenses form, I'll sign yours?, Perhaps not, on the grounds that they don't have ducks to house, moats to clean or the stables at the second home to heat.
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: I couldn’t have been the only one who saw Eades & Underhill (Police & Crime Commissioner) having a cosy drink prior to the weekend? I wonder what mutually beneficial agreement they were coming to?[/p][/quote]You sign my expenses form, I'll sign yours?, Perhaps not, on the grounds that they don't have ducks to house, moats to clean or the stables at the second home to heat. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

7:08pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Lilliput man says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Just been reading about the Piddlehinton site. Seems one group of five illegally parked caravans were "persuaded" to go to the new site and pay rent, while another group at Monkeys Jump were left where they are with no plans to move them to the new site. There are twenty spaces still free.
Don't be silly they would have to pay!
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: Just been reading about the Piddlehinton site. Seems one group of five illegally parked caravans were "persuaded" to go to the new site and pay rent, while another group at Monkeys Jump were left where they are with no plans to move them to the new site. There are twenty spaces still free.[/p][/quote]Don't be silly they would have to pay! Lilliput man
  • Score: 0

7:11pm Mon 11 Aug 14

martinsim34 says...

the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway
the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway martinsim34
  • Score: -6

7:11pm Mon 11 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

penhalereturns wrote:
Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.
I'll state again that the cheapest long term solution would be cocktails. Russian. Not made with vodka.
[quote][p][bold]penhalereturns[/bold] wrote: Leave them where they are, at least someone can keep an eye on them, the council are just moving them on from place t place and its costing a fortune for clear ups and court eviction orders, just leave them there and save thousands on time and money.[/p][/quote]I'll state again that the cheapest long term solution would be cocktails. Russian. Not made with vodka. breamoreboy
  • Score: 5

7:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant.

Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous!
Well evening Muzzy my old mucker, thought you be enjoying the latest news about the travellers a pontificating the same old points. Just a few points to clear up; I am far from a lefty liberal, in fact on many subjects I have some quite right wing views, the place where one's car is registered has zero relevance to ones ethnicity as you well know but have yet to respond in a grown up way to when asked all the ex-pats on the Costas are now Spainish and thirdly I am not and have never been sympathiser for the travellers. Not once have I posted in support of their lifestyle yet you and others keep saying this. Could it be that you're own views and suggestions are so ridiculously niaive, impractical, illegal and ignorant that you prefer to attack the messenger rather than argue your point?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant. Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]Well evening Muzzy my old mucker, thought you be enjoying the latest news about the travellers a pontificating the same old points. Just a few points to clear up; I am far from a lefty liberal, in fact on many subjects I have some quite right wing views, the place where one's car is registered has zero relevance to ones ethnicity as you well know but have yet to respond in a grown up way to when asked all the ex-pats on the Costas are now Spainish and thirdly I am not and have never been sympathiser for the travellers. Not once have I posted in support of their lifestyle yet you and others keep saying this. Could it be that you're own views and suggestions are so ridiculously niaive, impractical, illegal and ignorant that you prefer to attack the messenger rather than argue your point? Baysider
  • Score: -1

7:42pm Mon 11 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

Mm, I've just had a look at a certain council leaders Twitter account. What a load of Taurus Excretes . No wonder nothing gets done about the travellers. Must have a deco at the PCC's
Mm, I've just had a look at a certain council leaders Twitter account. What a load of Taurus Excretes . No wonder nothing gets done about the travellers. Must have a deco at the PCC's DorsetFerret
  • Score: 7

7:45pm Mon 11 Aug 14

martinsim34 says...

i agree leave them in a area then stop them leaving until the areas are completly cleaned up put hight restriction barriers in place then they have to cleaned up let them out oh forgot make them pay too clamp vihecals caravans make it uncomfortable for them then they will be less likely to come to dorset
i agree leave them in a area then stop them leaving until the areas are completly cleaned up put hight restriction barriers in place then they have to cleaned up let them out oh forgot make them pay too clamp vihecals caravans make it uncomfortable for them then they will be less likely to come to dorset martinsim34
  • Score: 3

7:48pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

martinsim34 wrote:
the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway
How about making a permanent site somewhere near you instead of the poor residents of Creekmoor?
[quote][p][bold]martinsim34[/bold] wrote: the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway[/p][/quote]How about making a permanent site somewhere near you instead of the poor residents of Creekmoor? Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

8:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

S,Bowes says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
aboobica wrote:
One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.
I think that was the police amateur dramatics club demonstrating what could happen if they were local rate payers .I understand The Underhill bloke does a very good widow Tw+++y in panto
He don't need panto to judged a great Tw###y
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aboobica[/bold] wrote: One of the gypsys at Sterte was arrested and chucked into back of meat waggon. Can now see them chuck bags of rubbish into the hedges.[/p][/quote]I think that was the police amateur dramatics club demonstrating what could happen if they were local rate payers .I understand The Underhill bloke does a very good widow Tw+++y in panto[/p][/quote]He don't need panto to judged a great Tw###y S,Bowes
  • Score: 1

8:05pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. "
After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles?
I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I think that you'll find that their electoral chances in every ward bar Creekmoor have risen 100% !!! I shall still be voting for Neil Sorton, May Haines and Peter Pawlowski come the next election!
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I think that you'll find that their electoral chances in every ward bar Creekmoor have risen 100% !!! I shall still be voting for Neil Sorton, May Haines and Peter Pawlowski come the next election! Wackerone
  • Score: -2

8:06pm Mon 11 Aug 14

some-people says...

Who'd have thought after the council removed the barriers and unlocked the gates that more travellers would turn up?! I'd never have guessed?!
Who'd have thought after the council removed the barriers and unlocked the gates that more travellers would turn up?! I'd never have guessed?! some-people
  • Score: 7

8:17pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

You can take this off if you want, but these arrogant thieving scum just descend for a free holiday every year. Now we at Creekmoor are going to be disturbed by dogs barking, kids screaming and generators running well into the small hours. How about about someone setting up a body of people to go to the civic centre and have a free holiday in the council offices, and see how long it is before we get moved along. There's toilets, we can take sleeping bags, food and drink, and go on a jolly old knees up.......
You can take this off if you want, but these arrogant thieving scum just descend for a free holiday every year. Now we at Creekmoor are going to be disturbed by dogs barking, kids screaming and generators running well into the small hours. How about about someone setting up a body of people to go to the civic centre and have a free holiday in the council offices, and see how long it is before we get moved along. There's toilets, we can take sleeping bags, food and drink, and go on a jolly old knees up....... Poppy2356
  • Score: 7

8:35pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

Poppy2356 wrote:
You can take this off if you want, but these arrogant thieving scum just descend for a free holiday every year. Now we at Creekmoor are going to be disturbed by dogs barking, kids screaming and generators running well into the small hours. How about about someone setting up a body of people to go to the civic centre and have a free holiday in the council offices, and see how long it is before we get moved along. There's toilets, we can take sleeping bags, food and drink, and go on a jolly old knees up.......
Well, how's about you starting the ball rolling then! None of you have the nous or the guts.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy2356[/bold] wrote: You can take this off if you want, but these arrogant thieving scum just descend for a free holiday every year. Now we at Creekmoor are going to be disturbed by dogs barking, kids screaming and generators running well into the small hours. How about about someone setting up a body of people to go to the civic centre and have a free holiday in the council offices, and see how long it is before we get moved along. There's toilets, we can take sleeping bags, food and drink, and go on a jolly old knees up.......[/p][/quote]Well, how's about you starting the ball rolling then! None of you have the nous or the guts. Wackerone
  • Score: 4

8:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Wackerone wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. "
After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles?
I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I think that you'll find that their electoral chances in every ward bar Creekmoor have risen 100% !!! I shall still be voting for Neil Sorton, May Haines and Peter Pawlowski come the next election!
The three Creekmoor councillors are also Conservative and are likely to be re-elected because, unlike the rest of the Conservatives, they don't play Follow-my-Leader but actually do what they are elected to do and represent their residents, as witnessed when Atkinson sacked Judy Butt from her portfolio position for doing jut that.

Hopefully the Poole People's Party will win a few seats from the conservatives and they'll no longer have control. Then we might actually see democracy in Poole instead of a dictatorship.
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I think that you'll find that their electoral chances in every ward bar Creekmoor have risen 100% !!! I shall still be voting for Neil Sorton, May Haines and Peter Pawlowski come the next election![/p][/quote]The three Creekmoor councillors are also Conservative and are likely to be re-elected because, unlike the rest of the Conservatives, they don't play Follow-my-Leader but actually do what they are elected to do and represent their residents, as witnessed when Atkinson sacked Judy Butt from her portfolio position for doing jut that. Hopefully the Poole People's Party will win a few seats from the conservatives and they'll no longer have control. Then we might actually see democracy in Poole instead of a dictatorship. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

8:56pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Priesty_UK says...

Skips provided? Does that I mean I can go dump what I want in the skips? Im a creekmoor resident and am just renewing my old fence, why should I be discriminated and not allowed when I pay council tax but they do not?
Skips provided? Does that I mean I can go dump what I want in the skips? Im a creekmoor resident and am just renewing my old fence, why should I be discriminated and not allowed when I pay council tax but they do not? Priesty_UK
  • Score: 7

9:20pm Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant.

Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous!
Well evening Muzzy my old mucker, thought you be enjoying the latest news about the travellers a pontificating the same old points. Just a few points to clear up; I am far from a lefty liberal, in fact on many subjects I have some quite right wing views, the place where one's car is registered has zero relevance to ones ethnicity as you well know but have yet to respond in a grown up way to when asked all the ex-pats on the Costas are now Spainish and thirdly I am not and have never been sympathiser for the travellers. Not once have I posted in support of their lifestyle yet you and others keep saying this. Could it be that you're own views and suggestions are so ridiculously niaive, impractical, illegal and ignorant that you prefer to attack the messenger rather than argue your point?
Perhaps you flatter yourself by responding in this manner - I didn't identify anyone in my post.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant. Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]Well evening Muzzy my old mucker, thought you be enjoying the latest news about the travellers a pontificating the same old points. Just a few points to clear up; I am far from a lefty liberal, in fact on many subjects I have some quite right wing views, the place where one's car is registered has zero relevance to ones ethnicity as you well know but have yet to respond in a grown up way to when asked all the ex-pats on the Costas are now Spainish and thirdly I am not and have never been sympathiser for the travellers. Not once have I posted in support of their lifestyle yet you and others keep saying this. Could it be that you're own views and suggestions are so ridiculously niaive, impractical, illegal and ignorant that you prefer to attack the messenger rather than argue your point?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you flatter yourself by responding in this manner - I didn't identify anyone in my post. muscliffman
  • Score: 8

9:21pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Baysider says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
Wackerone wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. "
After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles?
I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I think that you'll find that their electoral chances in every ward bar Creekmoor have risen 100% !!! I shall still be voting for Neil Sorton, May Haines and Peter Pawlowski come the next election!
The three Creekmoor councillors are also Conservative and are likely to be re-elected because, unlike the rest of the Conservatives, they don't play Follow-my-Leader but actually do what they are elected to do and represent their residents, as witnessed when Atkinson sacked Judy Butt from her portfolio position for doing jut that.

Hopefully the Poole People's Party will win a few seats from the conservatives and they'll no longer have control. Then we might actually see democracy in Poole instead of a dictatorship.
Their is a currently a no overall control situation at Poole Council so I'm not quite sure what point you are making?
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I think that you'll find that their electoral chances in every ward bar Creekmoor have risen 100% !!! I shall still be voting for Neil Sorton, May Haines and Peter Pawlowski come the next election![/p][/quote]The three Creekmoor councillors are also Conservative and are likely to be re-elected because, unlike the rest of the Conservatives, they don't play Follow-my-Leader but actually do what they are elected to do and represent their residents, as witnessed when Atkinson sacked Judy Butt from her portfolio position for doing jut that. Hopefully the Poole People's Party will win a few seats from the conservatives and they'll no longer have control. Then we might actually see democracy in Poole instead of a dictatorship.[/p][/quote]Their is a currently a no overall control situation at Poole Council so I'm not quite sure what point you are making? Baysider
  • Score: -8

9:27pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address.
If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA.
If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud.

So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.
Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant.

Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous!
Well evening Muzzy my old mucker, thought you be enjoying the latest news about the travellers a pontificating the same old points. Just a few points to clear up; I am far from a lefty liberal, in fact on many subjects I have some quite right wing views, the place where one's car is registered has zero relevance to ones ethnicity as you well know but have yet to respond in a grown up way to when asked all the ex-pats on the Costas are now Spainish and thirdly I am not and have never been sympathiser for the travellers. Not once have I posted in support of their lifestyle yet you and others keep saying this. Could it be that you're own views and suggestions are so ridiculously niaive, impractical, illegal and ignorant that you prefer to attack the messenger rather than argue your point?
Perhaps you flatter yourself by responding in this manner - I didn't identify anyone in my post.
Oh, I'm sorry. Who did you mean then since we have crossed swords on the very same grounds numerous times previously? While you're at it, I'll ask again, could you please explain exactly what relevance my cars country of registration has to my ethnicity?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]The simple answer is......if they have Irish registrations they are only allowed to have the vehicle registration plates displayed for 6 months in 1 year,after that time,they have to register with DVLA for British plates and have a UK address. If they already have British plates,they must already have a UK address as this is a legal requirement from DVLA. If they are not complying they are committing a criminal act and fraud. So,either way.its so easy for the Police to check.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct about the number plates, although you may well be criticised by one of our resident lefty liberal 'traveller' sympathisers who insists all this is irrelevant. Of course we both presume any of these Irish or (mainly) UK number plates are even the real thing - is anybody checking and following it up? Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]Well evening Muzzy my old mucker, thought you be enjoying the latest news about the travellers a pontificating the same old points. Just a few points to clear up; I am far from a lefty liberal, in fact on many subjects I have some quite right wing views, the place where one's car is registered has zero relevance to ones ethnicity as you well know but have yet to respond in a grown up way to when asked all the ex-pats on the Costas are now Spainish and thirdly I am not and have never been sympathiser for the travellers. Not once have I posted in support of their lifestyle yet you and others keep saying this. Could it be that you're own views and suggestions are so ridiculously niaive, impractical, illegal and ignorant that you prefer to attack the messenger rather than argue your point?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you flatter yourself by responding in this manner - I didn't identify anyone in my post.[/p][/quote]Oh, I'm sorry. Who did you mean then since we have crossed swords on the very same grounds numerous times previously? While you're at it, I'll ask again, could you please explain exactly what relevance my cars country of registration has to my ethnicity? Baysider
  • Score: -6

9:40pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people. Mister-G
  • Score: 25

9:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

Well said Mr. G. Before long around here, things are going to snap and escalate, and I can see someone being murdered, and in all probability it will be a law abiding citizen of Poole. I would then personally hold the police and Poole council FULLY RESPONSIBLE
Well said Mr. G. Before long around here, things are going to snap and escalate, and I can see someone being murdered, and in all probability it will be a law abiding citizen of Poole. I would then personally hold the police and Poole council FULLY RESPONSIBLE Poppy2356
  • Score: 9

10:02pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Wackerone says...

Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
My admiration for you both, needs more like you. Having said that, I am amazed that you agreed a deal with the police not to pursue the matter of assault and criminal damage to your car. I hope that you now seek further legal advice and get some kind of compensation.
[quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]My admiration for you both, needs more like you. Having said that, I am amazed that you agreed a deal with the police not to pursue the matter of assault and criminal damage to your car. I hope that you now seek further legal advice and get some kind of compensation. Wackerone
  • Score: 12

10:27pm Mon 11 Aug 14

muscliffman says...

Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
This story should undoubtedly be reported in full detail by the Echo preferably with public access to the video, but will it be? And our hapless authorities will still wonder why the poor guy is ASKING for vigilante support!
[quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]This story should undoubtedly be reported in full detail by the Echo preferably with public access to the video, but will it be? And our hapless authorities will still wonder why the poor guy is ASKING for vigilante support! muscliffman
  • Score: 12

10:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

disquiet says...

Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R:

"Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season."

All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...
Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R: "Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season." All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ... disquiet
  • Score: 32

11:23pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

disquiet wrote:
Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R:

"Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season."

All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...
So despite Planning having decided that the two offered sites should not be a TSP, and despite the P&R having been crossed off the candidate list as unsuitable and unacceptable, Shaun Robson has decided that he can use the P&R as a temporary stopping place, presumably with the full backing of his masters.
Heaven forbid that we should upset the tourists, to h**l with the taxpayers.
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R: "Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season." All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...[/p][/quote]So despite Planning having decided that the two offered sites should not be a TSP, and despite the P&R having been crossed off the candidate list as unsuitable and unacceptable, Shaun Robson has decided that he can use the P&R as a temporary stopping place, presumably with the full backing of his masters. Heaven forbid that we should upset the tourists, to h**l with the taxpayers. Jo__Go
  • Score: 9

11:30pm Mon 11 Aug 14

whataboutthat says...

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darentthecouncilsall
toblameandcanewegets
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ntothissillyclickbai
tdramathatthecholiks
torunandrunsothatyou KEEP ON COMMENTING SO THAT YOU KEEP ON READING THE ADS FOR YOUT RUBBISH HOLIDAY OR SOME **** BUILDER TO CMKE AND FIX YOUR GUTTERS.
Is there anybody out there...skating on the thin ice of modern life...aaaaarghhhhhh
why ohwhy gypsieshandwringingc urtaintwitchinmisogy nistdifferencehating loadsofmessleftbehin dhowcantheyaffordcar avansanddontletthmof feryouapirceontarmac didyounoticeyourbige ffinfsonytvmissingan darentthecouncilsall toblameandcanewegets omeurbanpoetrystuffi ntothissillyclickbai tdramathatthecholiks torunandrunsothatyou KEEP ON COMMENTING SO THAT YOU KEEP ON READING THE ADS FOR YOUT RUBBISH HOLIDAY OR SOME **** BUILDER TO CMKE AND FIX YOUR GUTTERS. Is there anybody out there...skating on the thin ice of modern life...aaaaarghhhhhh whataboutthat
  • Score: -2

11:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

grazzer wrote:
The Echo states that any reference to Gypsies will be removed then goes on to say that Romany Gypsies are a legally recognised ethnic race.So if we are not allowed to mention legally recognised races does this mean that all references to Arabs,Jews,Zulus and Aztcs etc are also forbidden?
The only group not protected are White Anglo Saxon Protestants. The ones who pay taxed and obey the laws. They are there to be abused.
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: The Echo states that any reference to Gypsies will be removed then goes on to say that Romany Gypsies are a legally recognised ethnic race.So if we are not allowed to mention legally recognised races does this mean that all references to Arabs,Jews,Zulus and Aztcs etc are also forbidden?[/p][/quote]The only group not protected are White Anglo Saxon Protestants. The ones who pay taxed and obey the laws. They are there to be abused. Yankee1
  • Score: 10

11:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Yankee1 says...

Lord gungedin of Ferndown wrote:
Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County.
Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.
Bournemouth Council (and its well paid 'Portfolio Holders') have exhibited their efficacy in the surf reef saga. No more needs to be said.
[quote][p][bold]Lord gungedin of Ferndown[/bold] wrote: Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County. Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.[/p][/quote]Bournemouth Council (and its well paid 'Portfolio Holders') have exhibited their efficacy in the surf reef saga. No more needs to be said. Yankee1
  • Score: 2

12:19am Tue 12 Aug 14

wend32 says...

On sunday night i was in the real china by the bus station enjoying some food with my partner and daughter and group of them came in and they left there table and floor covered in food they were like animals how can they treat a place like this when there homes are spot less there was even food all up the walls and when they went to pay they created and did not want to pay for any of the kids and handed the staff £10 notes with big chunks missing from it
On sunday night i was in the real china by the bus station enjoying some food with my partner and daughter and group of them came in and they left there table and floor covered in food they were like animals how can they treat a place like this when there homes are spot less there was even food all up the walls and when they went to pay they created and did not want to pay for any of the kids and handed the staff £10 notes with big chunks missing from it wend32
  • Score: 4

12:37am Tue 12 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
martinsim34 wrote:
the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway
How about making a permanent site somewhere near you instead of the poor residents of Creekmoor?
I still don't understand how travellers would need a permanent site. If they actually need one, they can pay for it themselves on the grounds that they can afford their caravans and leave the PBT (Poor Bloody Taxpayer) out of it.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martinsim34[/bold] wrote: the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway[/p][/quote]How about making a permanent site somewhere near you instead of the poor residents of Creekmoor?[/p][/quote]I still don't understand how travellers would need a permanent site. If they actually need one, they can pay for it themselves on the grounds that they can afford their caravans and leave the PBT (Poor Bloody Taxpayer) out of it. breamoreboy
  • Score: 6

12:42am Tue 12 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Wackerone wrote:
Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
My admiration for you both, needs more like you. Having said that, I am amazed that you agreed a deal with the police not to pursue the matter of assault and criminal damage to your car. I hope that you now seek further legal advice and get some kind of compensation.
What's the betting that the video evidence has already been misplaced?
[quote][p][bold]Wackerone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]My admiration for you both, needs more like you. Having said that, I am amazed that you agreed a deal with the police not to pursue the matter of assault and criminal damage to your car. I hope that you now seek further legal advice and get some kind of compensation.[/p][/quote]What's the betting that the video evidence has already been misplaced? breamoreboy
  • Score: 6

2:09am Tue 12 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

kangaroo_joey wrote:
Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.
Any comments Baysider?
[quote][p][bold]kangaroo_joey[/bold] wrote: Funny how the Echo fails to report what happened at Sterte, residents filmed the travellers cutting the chain and padlock and then when residents tried stopping them, were assaulted all of which was recorded, when the police finally turned up they looked at the videos and decided to just stand around for the next hour while the travellers just stood there laughing the whole time. Its about time the police stood up and grew some balls.[/p][/quote]Any comments Baysider? fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

2:12am Tue 12 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
Any comments Baysider?
[quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]Any comments Baysider? fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 2

2:16am Tue 12 Aug 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

disquiet wrote:
Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R:

"Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season."

All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...
Cat and mouse? More like cat and idiot ( idiot = council)
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R: "Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season." All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...[/p][/quote]Cat and mouse? More like cat and idiot ( idiot = council) fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 6

7:13am Tue 12 Aug 14

Baysider says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
Any comments Baysider?
Er...yes Jobbie. The police were presented with evidence and arrested the man. What's your point?
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]Any comments Baysider?[/p][/quote]Er...yes Jobbie. The police were presented with evidence and arrested the man. What's your point? Baysider
  • Score: -4

9:51am Tue 12 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

disquiet wrote:
Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R:

"Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season."

All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...
Fascinating. The Environment Officer makes an executive decision and applies a 'policy'? My understanding is the policy relating to the Park and Ride site is it is to be used for just that and not a transit camp. More dirty politics being applied here me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R: "Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season." All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...[/p][/quote]Fascinating. The Environment Officer makes an executive decision and applies a 'policy'? My understanding is the policy relating to the Park and Ride site is it is to be used for just that and not a transit camp. More dirty politics being applied here me thinks. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 4

9:51am Tue 12 Aug 14

DorsetFerret says...

disquiet wrote:
Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R:

"Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season."

All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...
Fascinating. The Environment Officer makes an executive decision and applies a 'policy'? My understanding is the policy relating to the Park and Ride site is it is to be used for just that and not a transit camp. More dirty politics being applied here me thinks.
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: Shaun Robson (Head of Environmental and Consumer Protection Services) has made the following statement with regards to the encampment on the P&R: "Officers have to make pragmatic decisions to manage encampments. My advice to Councillors is that this game of cat and mouse is helping no-one. We need to apply the policies that we have. These would currently suggest that the camp on park and ride should stay and be monitored and managed. If it grows then we will have to assess that impact. I am not aware of any better places where we could direct them or where they might go if evicted. However I could think of several worse places during our peak tourist season." All residents are equal, but some residents are more equal than others ...[/p][/quote]Fascinating. The Environment Officer makes an executive decision and applies a 'policy'? My understanding is the policy relating to the Park and Ride site is it is to be used for just that and not a transit camp. More dirty politics being applied here me thinks. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 4

10:16am Tue 12 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

Can Mr Robertson direct them to....quote no better place....near his hous e then???.
We have not paid Council Taxes for over 40 years to sit back and allow this invasion once again.
In simple terms, put them on Mannings Heat well away from decent Council Tax paying residents, this situation is intolerable for people who pay Council Tax.
Can Mr Robertson direct them to....quote no better place....near his hous e then???. We have not paid Council Taxes for over 40 years to sit back and allow this invasion once again. In simple terms, put them on Mannings Heat well away from decent Council Tax paying residents, this situation is intolerable for people who pay Council Tax. snowflakes
  • Score: 2

10:19am Tue 12 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

Baysider wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
Any comments Baysider?
Er...yes Jobbie. The police were presented with evidence and arrested the man. What's your point?
I cannot beleive what I am reading here, why on earth are they still allowed to stay after this couple had to deal with violence, do we pay our Council tax to deal with this.This is going to escalate and it will be the residents who will end up dealing with them.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]Any comments Baysider?[/p][/quote]Er...yes Jobbie. The police were presented with evidence and arrested the man. What's your point?[/p][/quote]I cannot beleive what I am reading here, why on earth are they still allowed to stay after this couple had to deal with violence, do we pay our Council tax to deal with this.This is going to escalate and it will be the residents who will end up dealing with them. snowflakes
  • Score: 4

10:22am Tue 12 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Just checked back, and the Echo have indeed removed my earlier post . Anyone who saw it will immediately know who and why it got reported; it simply stated that the P&R has become a de facto TSP, despite the Council's own process having ruled it utterly unsuitable and unacceptable to fulfill that role. As suspected, the comment was simply removed just because it 'upset' someone in authority. Do these people have any idea how upset the residents of Creekmoor are at their unjustifiable smugness? If only we could remove these jobsworths just as easily...
I agree, and if the Council think that decent,hard working folk who pay their taxes are going to sit back and allow this,then they are sadly mistaken.
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: Just checked back, and the Echo have indeed removed my earlier post . Anyone who saw it will immediately know who and why it got reported; it simply stated that the P&R has become a de facto TSP, despite the Council's own process having ruled it utterly unsuitable and unacceptable to fulfill that role. As suspected, the comment was simply removed just because it 'upset' someone in authority. Do these people have any idea how upset the residents of Creekmoor are at their unjustifiable smugness? If only we could remove these jobsworths just as easily...[/p][/quote]I agree, and if the Council think that decent,hard working folk who pay their taxes are going to sit back and allow this,then they are sadly mistaken. snowflakes
  • Score: 4

10:25am Tue 12 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

DiggerRuss wrote:
"There's no application to support an application for eviction"

In that case is there someone who will support an application to support all creekoor residents stop council tax payments for September.

One illegal act by our council deserves another!
We must consider this, and if all Residents in Creekmoor do not pay their Council tax then the non paying Travellers must finally be shown up for what they really are, blatant generations of non paying tax evaders, living their lives on a rule that should now be changed.
[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote: "There's no application to support an application for eviction" In that case is there someone who will support an application to support all creekoor residents stop council tax payments for September. One illegal act by our council deserves another![/p][/quote]We must consider this, and if all Residents in Creekmoor do not pay their Council tax then the non paying Travellers must finally be shown up for what they really are, blatant generations of non paying tax evaders, living their lives on a rule that should now be changed. snowflakes
  • Score: 5

10:28am Tue 12 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
martinsim34 wrote:
the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway
How about making a permanent site somewhere near you instead of the poor residents of Creekmoor?
I still don't understand how travellers would need a permanent site. If they actually need one, they can pay for it themselves on the grounds that they can afford their caravans and leave the PBT (Poor Bloody Taxpayer) out of it.
I meant a permanent TRANSIT site - thought that was obvious as that's what the council wanted at Creekmoor and Oakdale. i.e. a site which could be used whenever travellers appeared. Not that it would have been any good this year because of the large numbers of them. There are more than usual. Is that because they're here rather than the rest of Dorset, where they'd have to pay?

There is no information on who decided to turn the park and ride into a traveller site as it appears there have been no meetings which included the Creekmoor councillors, but the spokesman is Shaun Robson, Head Of Environmental & Consumer Protection, saying that the travellers can stay until they leave for the steam fair. I think the residents of Creekmoor, in fact all residents, have a right to know how this decision was arrived at. This is another example of dictatorship and not democracy. How many other decisions have been taken behind closed doors?

I remember last year Atkinson said ,when Creekmoor was selected for the main TSP "I have to consider all residents", but what we didn't hear was obviously the rest of that statement "..... except the residents of Creekmoor because they've dared question my authority."

As for the attacks on the couple who tried to stop them entering, does Shaun Robson, and anyone else involved in deciding to let them stay, think that was acceptable? Presumably they do as they've made no comment to the contrary.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]martinsim34[/bold] wrote: the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway[/p][/quote]How about making a permanent site somewhere near you instead of the poor residents of Creekmoor?[/p][/quote]I still don't understand how travellers would need a permanent site. If they actually need one, they can pay for it themselves on the grounds that they can afford their caravans and leave the PBT (Poor Bloody Taxpayer) out of it.[/p][/quote]I meant a permanent TRANSIT site - thought that was obvious as that's what the council wanted at Creekmoor and Oakdale. i.e. a site which could be used whenever travellers appeared. Not that it would have been any good this year because of the large numbers of them. There are more than usual. Is that because they're here rather than the rest of Dorset, where they'd have to pay? There is no information on who decided to turn the park and ride into a traveller site as it appears there have been no meetings which included the Creekmoor councillors, but the spokesman is Shaun Robson, Head Of Environmental & Consumer Protection, saying that the travellers can stay until they leave for the steam fair. I think the residents of Creekmoor, in fact all residents, have a right to know how this decision was arrived at. This is another example of dictatorship and not democracy. How many other decisions have been taken behind closed doors? I remember last year Atkinson said ,when Creekmoor was selected for the main TSP "I have to consider all residents", but what we didn't hear was obviously the rest of that statement "..... except the residents of Creekmoor because they've dared question my authority." As for the attacks on the couple who tried to stop them entering, does Shaun Robson, and anyone else involved in deciding to let them stay, think that was acceptable? Presumably they do as they've made no comment to the contrary. Carolyn43
  • Score: 7

10:44am Tue 12 Aug 14

Marty Caine says...

Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
Well done for standing up for what is right, it is a real shame that our elected councillors and police do not have the same courage that you have shown. If the police have video evidence of a crime being committed they should act upon that evidence to the full extent of the law, that happens to be their job. Thier job is certainly not to negotiate between victims and perpetrators to find an easy option out for themselves.

The message given to the traveller community here is, smash whatever you like and the police will help you get away with it. That is wronger than wrong in my book!
[quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]Well done for standing up for what is right, it is a real shame that our elected councillors and police do not have the same courage that you have shown. If the police have video evidence of a crime being committed they should act upon that evidence to the full extent of the law, that happens to be their job. Thier job is certainly not to negotiate between victims and perpetrators to find an easy option out for themselves. The message given to the traveller community here is, smash whatever you like and the police will help you get away with it. That is wronger than wrong in my book! Marty Caine
  • Score: 10

12:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

I have just done a quick search on googleand there are plenty of permanent camping sites all over the county. many of them come highly recommended by the Campin and Caravanning All the local authority has to do is grow some b a l l s, apply the law and get the parasitic vermin to follow the rules like everyone else has to. I hate local politicians with a passion now, as they are only interested in themselves and not for dealing with one of the biggest issues upsetting the people they 'represent'. I can't wait for the next one to turn up canvassing on my doorstep.......
I have just done a quick search on googleand there are plenty of permanent camping sites all over the county. many of them come highly recommended by the Campin and Caravanning All the local authority has to do is grow some b a l l s, apply the law and get the parasitic vermin to follow the rules like everyone else has to. I hate local politicians with a passion now, as they are only interested in themselves and not for dealing with one of the biggest issues upsetting the people they 'represent'. I can't wait for the next one to turn up canvassing on my doorstep....... Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

poolequarter says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
I have just done a quick search on googleand there are plenty of permanent camping sites all over the county. many of them come highly recommended by the Campin and Caravanning All the local authority has to do is grow some b a l l s, apply the law and get the parasitic vermin to follow the rules like everyone else has to. I hate local politicians with a passion now, as they are only interested in themselves and not for dealing with one of the biggest issues upsetting the people they 'represent'. I can't wait for the next one to turn up canvassing on my doorstep.......
They wouldn't be allowed on a proper camp site...their general behavior would put normal people off... not good business!!! Conform to normal human standards or go elsewhere!!!
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: I have just done a quick search on googleand there are plenty of permanent camping sites all over the county. many of them come highly recommended by the Campin and Caravanning All the local authority has to do is grow some b a l l s, apply the law and get the parasitic vermin to follow the rules like everyone else has to. I hate local politicians with a passion now, as they are only interested in themselves and not for dealing with one of the biggest issues upsetting the people they 'represent'. I can't wait for the next one to turn up canvassing on my doorstep.......[/p][/quote]They wouldn't be allowed on a proper camp site...their general behavior would put normal people off... not good business!!! Conform to normal human standards or go elsewhere!!! poolequarter
  • Score: 1

1:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

dogsoftheworld wrote:
Jo__Go wrote:
As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.
I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor...
I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded.
"Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections.
Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve!
But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.
We won't be paying our Council Tax ..simples.
[quote][p][bold]dogsoftheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: As at 8:44 this morning, poole.gov updated to show 16 caravans on the P&R, and still the council contends " there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order. " After failing miserably in January to get a legal TSP in Creekmoor, the spiteful leadership have simply created an illegal de facto TSP on the P&R. What does that say about their morals and principles? I know what it says for their electoral chances come May next year.[/p][/quote]I wonder if the new ones on Sterte will be directed to Creekmoor... I'm afraid as the authors of this are councilors for areas in the south of Poole, this won't hurt their electoral prospects at all. And of course they know that. It's part of the perversity of local government that turning on a part of poole you are supposed to be working for as leader or portfolio holder will actually help you get elected from your own ward elsewhere. Bad behaviour is, unfortunately, rewarded. "Local Democracy" is neither local, nor democratic. You Creekmorians are in an awkward position electorally because in voting for the local councilors working to stop these dictats form the council leader and her cabinet you are also helping to keep that lot in place! It must be very difficult for your councilors too. Maybe this is why most people just don't vote in local elections. Personally i think politics in the UK, national and local, is beyond redemption. There is no real choice, it's just a turf war between different gangs, and a lot of the fault lies with the electorate being too lazy and dumb to find out anything for themselves but just rely on the manipulative cr*p they're fed from party political newspapers, the rubbish on party leaflets and the telly. Studies have shown that looks and mannerisms are one of the most important factors in getting elected, what does that say about us? Maybe decocracy is working after all- we'll get the governance we deserve! But If the P&R does become a de facto travellers site then God help poor Creekmoor.[/p][/quote]We won't be paying our Council Tax ..simples. snowflakes
  • Score: 2

5:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

Update @ 14:52 on poole.gov
"... This is a closed site, and hence the travellers are not hindering any planned public events or preventing the use of parking / recreation space. We are monitoring the encampment, and will gather any evidence of detriment to the local community necessary to support an application to the courts for eviction. Previous evictions have not however prompted to the Travellers to leave Poole, and further evictions are likely to result in more dispersal across the Borough. It is likely they are heading for the Dorset Steam Fair. Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site."
Can I suggest that BoP get a valuation of the houses bang opposite the P&R, I'd guess each one is currently down £10-20k. Does that count as 'detriment'?
I sincerely hope that 're-secure' means more effectively block off the ripped out fence panel so the site is *truly* secured.
BoP may be sick of chasing these blighters round the borough, but trust me, not half as sick as residents are of utterly ineffectual management policies and practices. Very obviously the responsible councillors and officers have grown tired of doing their jobs, and have decided to dump the problem with Creekmoor and Sterte, so they can have an easy day in the office.
Update @ 14:52 on poole.gov "... This is a closed site, and hence the travellers are not hindering any planned public events or preventing the use of parking / recreation space. We are monitoring the encampment, and will gather any evidence of detriment to the local community necessary to support an application to the courts for eviction. Previous evictions have not however prompted to the Travellers to leave Poole, and further evictions are likely to result in more dispersal across the Borough. It is likely they are heading for the Dorset Steam Fair. Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site." Can I suggest that BoP get a valuation of the houses bang opposite the P&R, I'd guess each one is currently down £10-20k. Does that count as 'detriment'? I sincerely hope that 're-secure' means more effectively block off the ripped out fence panel so the site is *truly* secured. BoP may be sick of chasing these blighters round the borough, but trust me, not half as sick as residents are of utterly ineffectual management policies and practices. Very obviously the responsible councillors and officers have grown tired of doing their jobs, and have decided to dump the problem with Creekmoor and Sterte, so they can have an easy day in the office. Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

5:27pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

Jo__Go wrote:
Update @ 14:52 on poole.gov
"... This is a closed site, and hence the travellers are not hindering any planned public events or preventing the use of parking / recreation space. We are monitoring the encampment, and will gather any evidence of detriment to the local community necessary to support an application to the courts for eviction. Previous evictions have not however prompted to the Travellers to leave Poole, and further evictions are likely to result in more dispersal across the Borough. It is likely they are heading for the Dorset Steam Fair. Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site."
Can I suggest that BoP get a valuation of the houses bang opposite the P&R, I'd guess each one is currently down £10-20k. Does that count as 'detriment'?
I sincerely hope that 're-secure' means more effectively block off the ripped out fence panel so the site is *truly* secured.
BoP may be sick of chasing these blighters round the borough, but trust me, not half as sick as residents are of utterly ineffectual management policies and practices. Very obviously the responsible councillors and officers have grown tired of doing their jobs, and have decided to dump the problem with Creekmoor and Sterte, so they can have an easy day in the office.
I don't care if I upset them, but the people in charge of this ludicrous situation, the BoP councillors including tha arrogant **** called Stuart Robson, are a bunch of buffoons and deserve a bloody good kick up the **** !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: Update @ 14:52 on poole.gov "... This is a closed site, and hence the travellers are not hindering any planned public events or preventing the use of parking / recreation space. We are monitoring the encampment, and will gather any evidence of detriment to the local community necessary to support an application to the courts for eviction. Previous evictions have not however prompted to the Travellers to leave Poole, and further evictions are likely to result in more dispersal across the Borough. It is likely they are heading for the Dorset Steam Fair. Once possession has been regained we will repair the damage to the boundary and re-secure the site." Can I suggest that BoP get a valuation of the houses bang opposite the P&R, I'd guess each one is currently down £10-20k. Does that count as 'detriment'? I sincerely hope that 're-secure' means more effectively block off the ripped out fence panel so the site is *truly* secured. BoP may be sick of chasing these blighters round the borough, but trust me, not half as sick as residents are of utterly ineffectual management policies and practices. Very obviously the responsible councillors and officers have grown tired of doing their jobs, and have decided to dump the problem with Creekmoor and Sterte, so they can have an easy day in the office.[/p][/quote]I don't care if I upset them, but the people in charge of this ludicrous situation, the BoP councillors including tha arrogant **** called Stuart Robson, are a bunch of buffoons and deserve a bloody good kick up the **** !!!!!! Poppy2356
  • Score: 3

6:06pm Tue 12 Aug 14

carrrob says...

Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas
Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas carrrob
  • Score: -5

6:12pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Here's an idea. Why doesn't Poole compulsorily purchase one of the existing holiday camp sites within the Poole authority which is away from residents during the next few months. There must be a couple, possibly with the owners ready to retire.

They won't need any work doing, be ready to move straight into and will solve the problem.

It's called thinking outside the box. Something that the council obviously is unable to do as it's been looking for a site they already own. They were prepared to spend nearly a quarter of a million on creating the Ceekmoor TSP with few facilities and must have spent quite a bit on getting eviction notices for illegal encampments.
Here's an idea. Why doesn't Poole compulsorily purchase one of the existing holiday camp sites within the Poole authority which is away from residents during the next few months. There must be a couple, possibly with the owners ready to retire. They won't need any work doing, be ready to move straight into and will solve the problem. It's called thinking outside the box. Something that the council obviously is unable to do as it's been looking for a site they already own. They were prepared to spend nearly a quarter of a million on creating the Ceekmoor TSP with few facilities and must have spent quite a bit on getting eviction notices for illegal encampments. Carolyn43
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Tue 12 Aug 14

TheDistrict says...

Marty Caine wrote:
Mister-G wrote:
My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle.
Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way.
The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away.
My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them.
Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups!
The police now have my video evidence.
We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.
Well done for standing up for what is right, it is a real shame that our elected councillors and police do not have the same courage that you have shown. If the police have video evidence of a crime being committed they should act upon that evidence to the full extent of the law, that happens to be their job. Thier job is certainly not to negotiate between victims and perpetrators to find an easy option out for themselves.

The message given to the traveller community here is, smash whatever you like and the police will help you get away with it. That is wronger than wrong in my book!
As said all along, we ate governed by groups of yellow back cowards who if the truth was known, know that the rules regarding Race and Ethnic Quality does not pay to these people. Are the authorities forcing the residents of Bournemouth and Poole into a confrontational/vigi
lante scenario. Even good people can only take so much. Perhaps as already said, cancel our direct debits for council tax. How long before the prison sentences would be handed out to proper residents.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: My wife and I were the ones who confronted the travellers. We filmed them smashing off the lock. I then went out and drove my car towards where the first van-towing-caravan had already entered to block any more from going in. As soon as they spotted me they stood in front of my car banging the bonnet and swearing at me. One of them tried to get the passenger door open and broke off the handle. Meanwhile my wife had stood in front of the next vehicle and was pushed and shoved and then one of them picked her up and the her out of the way. The police were there in force within 10 minutes and did all they could within their powers. I identified one of the men who had broken the lock from the entrance and had threatened me and broken my car door handle. They arrested him and took him away. My wife identified the woman who had assaulted her and the police went off to find her. They them phoned me and said would we be willing to let things drop if the travellers moved on, I said we would and they agreed to move on as soon as their friend has been released. The police brought him back later on and guess what, they're still here along with others who have joined them. Nobody from the police has contacted us since Sunday night and the council say they have to tread carefully with minority groups! The police now have my video evidence. We could do with some vigilantes round here to deal with these people.[/p][/quote]Well done for standing up for what is right, it is a real shame that our elected councillors and police do not have the same courage that you have shown. If the police have video evidence of a crime being committed they should act upon that evidence to the full extent of the law, that happens to be their job. Thier job is certainly not to negotiate between victims and perpetrators to find an easy option out for themselves. The message given to the traveller community here is, smash whatever you like and the police will help you get away with it. That is wronger than wrong in my book![/p][/quote]As said all along, we ate governed by groups of yellow back cowards who if the truth was known, know that the rules regarding Race and Ethnic Quality does not pay to these people. Are the authorities forcing the residents of Bournemouth and Poole into a confrontational/vigi lante scenario. Even good people can only take so much. Perhaps as already said, cancel our direct debits for council tax. How long before the prison sentences would be handed out to proper residents. TheDistrict
  • Score: 0

6:37pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jo__Go says...

carrrob wrote:
Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas
Not a deep thinker, are you?
[quote][p][bold]carrrob[/bold] wrote: Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas[/p][/quote]Not a deep thinker, are you? Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Jo__Go wrote:
carrrob wrote:
Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas
Not a deep thinker, are you?
We know selfish carrob lives in Canford Cliffs and is very happy when anyone but himself is lumbered with these people
[quote][p][bold]Jo__Go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]carrrob[/bold] wrote: Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas[/p][/quote]Not a deep thinker, are you?[/p][/quote]We know selfish carrob lives in Canford Cliffs and is very happy when anyone but himself is lumbered with these people Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

6:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

carrrob wrote:
Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas
You wouldn't say that on your doorstep. That's being very arrogant, how about I come and camp for free outside your house and keep you awake until the early hours, and then break into your garden, property and damage things all around you !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]carrrob[/bold] wrote: Sensible council decision for once keep them all in one place saves chasing them around Poole and surrounding areas[/p][/quote]You wouldn't say that on your doorstep. That's being very arrogant, how about I come and camp for free outside your house and keep you awake until the early hours, and then break into your garden, property and damage things all around you !!!!! Poppy2356
  • Score: 4

8:48pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

The criminal damage case won't be dropped by me, The video evidence won't get lost as i have a copy still. The video is at the police station although the officer dealing with it isn't back in until tomorrow!
I expect the rest of Sterte residents have noticed that portable toilets were delivered to the 'travellers' within 6 hours of them being there but still no court order issued. My wife phoned the council again this morning and questioned them about the toilets - "we've got to be seen to be looking after their needs" was their reply!
They committed two acts of criminal damage and an assault, why should they be entitled to anything?
Their vans come and go all day (not allowed to block them in), if anyone has an old car they don't want our a huge rock, please feel free to dump it on the patch of grass at the side of my house. This will stop them getting more caravans in as they need this bit of land to get a straight run up to get through the narrow gap on the esplanade.
If I had the means and the manpower I would take physical action against them but there is only so much you can do when they know where you live. I don't want to put my family in any danger, these people have no boundaries when it comes to criminality!
The criminal damage case won't be dropped by me, The video evidence won't get lost as i have a copy still. The video is at the police station although the officer dealing with it isn't back in until tomorrow! I expect the rest of Sterte residents have noticed that portable toilets were delivered to the 'travellers' within 6 hours of them being there but still no court order issued. My wife phoned the council again this morning and questioned them about the toilets - "we've got to be seen to be looking after their needs" was their reply! They committed two acts of criminal damage and an assault, why should they be entitled to anything? Their vans come and go all day (not allowed to block them in), if anyone has an old car they don't want our a huge rock, please feel free to dump it on the patch of grass at the side of my house. This will stop them getting more caravans in as they need this bit of land to get a straight run up to get through the narrow gap on the esplanade. If I had the means and the manpower I would take physical action against them but there is only so much you can do when they know where you live. I don't want to put my family in any danger, these people have no boundaries when it comes to criminality! Mister-G
  • Score: 7

8:53pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

Mister-G wrote:
The criminal damage case won't be dropped by me, The video evidence won't get lost as i have a copy still. The video is at the police station although the officer dealing with it isn't back in until tomorrow!
I expect the rest of Sterte residents have noticed that portable toilets were delivered to the 'travellers' within 6 hours of them being there but still no court order issued. My wife phoned the council again this morning and questioned them about the toilets - "we've got to be seen to be looking after their needs" was their reply!
They committed two acts of criminal damage and an assault, why should they be entitled to anything?
Their vans come and go all day (not allowed to block them in), if anyone has an old car they don't want our a huge rock, please feel free to dump it on the patch of grass at the side of my house. This will stop them getting more caravans in as they need this bit of land to get a straight run up to get through the narrow gap on the esplanade.
If I had the means and the manpower I would take physical action against them but there is only so much you can do when they know where you live. I don't want to put my family in any danger, these people have no boundaries when it comes to criminality!
If there's enough support I'll be down there with you in a shot. I live within a 100 yds of the ILLEGAL load of bastards at Creekmoor .they are WRONG WRONG WRONG, and should be given a lesson in respect......
[quote][p][bold]Mister-G[/bold] wrote: The criminal damage case won't be dropped by me, The video evidence won't get lost as i have a copy still. The video is at the police station although the officer dealing with it isn't back in until tomorrow! I expect the rest of Sterte residents have noticed that portable toilets were delivered to the 'travellers' within 6 hours of them being there but still no court order issued. My wife phoned the council again this morning and questioned them about the toilets - "we've got to be seen to be looking after their needs" was their reply! They committed two acts of criminal damage and an assault, why should they be entitled to anything? Their vans come and go all day (not allowed to block them in), if anyone has an old car they don't want our a huge rock, please feel free to dump it on the patch of grass at the side of my house. This will stop them getting more caravans in as they need this bit of land to get a straight run up to get through the narrow gap on the esplanade. If I had the means and the manpower I would take physical action against them but there is only so much you can do when they know where you live. I don't want to put my family in any danger, these people have no boundaries when it comes to criminality![/p][/quote]If there's enough support I'll be down there with you in a shot. I live within a 100 yds of the ILLEGAL load of bastards at Creekmoor .they are WRONG WRONG WRONG, and should be given a lesson in respect...... Poppy2356
  • Score: 3

8:55pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

Mister G have you been in touch with the echo, they were very interested this morning when I spoke to them. But I couldn't give them the full details.....
Mister G have you been in touch with the echo, they were very interested this morning when I spoke to them. But I couldn't give them the full details..... Poppy2356
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

martinsim34 wrote:
the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway
Not the same site. Check the facts.
[quote][p][bold]martinsim34[/bold] wrote: the joke is they turned down the creekmoor site now they r using it neway so make it the perm site for them neway[/p][/quote]Not the same site. Check the facts. Carolyn43
  • Score: 0

9:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Carolyn43 says...

Poppy2356 wrote:
Mister G have you been in touch with the echo, they were very interested this morning when I spoke to them. But I couldn't give them the full details.....
That assault and damage should be enough for the council to apply for an eviction order. But will they? I doubt it.

If the Echo have the details and do an article it just MIGHT get the council's attention, but again I doubt it.

Trouble is who is dictating what action is taken at the council. Is it the environment lot, the councillors, the legal department? I one person deciding or a group? Do they all know what is happening. Again I doubt it.

Are they concerned about the residents at Sterte and Creekmoor. Again I doubt it. So long as it isn't anywhere near any of them.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy2356[/bold] wrote: Mister G have you been in touch with the echo, they were very interested this morning when I spoke to them. But I couldn't give them the full details.....[/p][/quote]That assault and damage should be enough for the council to apply for an eviction order. But will they? I doubt it. If the Echo have the details and do an article it just MIGHT get the council's attention, but again I doubt it. Trouble is who is dictating what action is taken at the council. Is it the environment lot, the councillors, the legal department? I one person deciding or a group? Do they all know what is happening. Again I doubt it. Are they concerned about the residents at Sterte and Creekmoor. Again I doubt it. So long as it isn't anywhere near any of them. Carolyn43
  • Score: 3

9:45pm Tue 12 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

Click below to sign e petition so Poole council know that you are withholding September council tax in protest at the creation of the illegal traveller transit site at the park and ride.

https://www.ipetitio
ns.com/petition/cree
kmoor-residents-with
holding-sept-council
-tax
Click below to sign e petition so Poole council know that you are withholding September council tax in protest at the creation of the illegal traveller transit site at the park and ride. https://www.ipetitio ns.com/petition/cree kmoor-residents-with holding-sept-council -tax DiggerRuss
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Tue 12 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

Please add to the below e petition letting Poole council know you are withholding September council tax payment in response to their creation of the illegal traveller camp at the p and r.

https://www.ipetitio
ns.com/petition/cree
kmoor-residents-with
holding-sept-council
-tax
Please add to the below e petition letting Poole council know you are withholding September council tax payment in response to their creation of the illegal traveller camp at the p and r. https://www.ipetitio ns.com/petition/cree kmoor-residents-with holding-sept-council -tax DiggerRuss
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Tue 12 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

I see that the mob rule that stopped a proper site being set up means that Poole is yet again unable to stop unauthorised encampments. I am referring to the council meeting that would have voted in the official site being opened this year in Poole instead of the ridiculous dumping of ugly great boulders all over our open spaces. Just because Bournemouth does it doesn't make it a good idea. Poole shouldn't be dragged down by Bournemouth, look at how well they look after Boscombe. That's what Poole will be like if we become one council and we certainly shouldn't be copying their ridiculous way of avoiding complying with the law on travellers' sites.
I see that the mob rule that stopped a proper site being set up means that Poole is yet again unable to stop unauthorised encampments. I am referring to the council meeting that would have voted in the official site being opened this year in Poole instead of the ridiculous dumping of ugly great boulders all over our open spaces. Just because Bournemouth does it doesn't make it a good idea. Poole shouldn't be dragged down by Bournemouth, look at how well they look after Boscombe. That's what Poole will be like if we become one council and we certainly shouldn't be copying their ridiculous way of avoiding complying with the law on travellers' sites. ashleycross
  • Score: -7

10:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

ashleycross says...

Lord gungedin of Ferndown wrote:
Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County.
Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.
I live in Poole and put a lot of effort last year into explaining to various authorities in Dorset the law on encampments and why an official site would help with moving on. I am hugely disappointed that all my efforts have been for nothing in Poole due to the complete inability to get through to the residents of Creekmoor and their councillor.
[quote][p][bold]Lord gungedin of Ferndown[/bold] wrote: Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County. Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.[/p][/quote]I live in Poole and put a lot of effort last year into explaining to various authorities in Dorset the law on encampments and why an official site would help with moving on. I am hugely disappointed that all my efforts have been for nothing in Poole due to the complete inability to get through to the residents of Creekmoor and their councillor. ashleycross
  • Score: -21

10:15pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

ashleycross wrote:
Lord gungedin of Ferndown wrote:
Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County.
Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.
I live in Poole and put a lot of effort last year into explaining to various authorities in Dorset the law on encampments and why an official site would help with moving on. I am hugely disappointed that all my efforts have been for nothing in Poole due to the complete inability to get through to the residents of Creekmoor and their councillor.
Ashley cross. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THEM ON THE GREEN. I live at Creekmoor and were under siege you STUPID PERSON. As long as it's not on your doorstep comes to mind !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord gungedin of Ferndown[/bold] wrote: Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County. Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.[/p][/quote]I live in Poole and put a lot of effort last year into explaining to various authorities in Dorset the law on encampments and why an official site would help with moving on. I am hugely disappointed that all my efforts have been for nothing in Poole due to the complete inability to get through to the residents of Creekmoor and their councillor.[/p][/quote]Ashley cross. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THEM ON THE GREEN. I live at Creekmoor and were under siege you STUPID PERSON. As long as it's not on your doorstep comes to mind !!!!! Poppy2356
  • Score: 3

10:56pm Tue 12 Aug 14

DiggerRuss says...

ashleycross wrote:
Lord gungedin of Ferndown wrote:
Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County.
Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.
I live in Poole and put a lot of effort last year into explaining to various authorities in Dorset the law on encampments and why an official site would help with moving on. I am hugely disappointed that all my efforts have been for nothing in Poole due to the complete inability to get through to the residents of Creekmoor and their councillor.
If you knew what you were talking about it would make sense. The consultation paper ruled out the creekmoor sites in 2011, so why push for them in2013!
The recommended sites were as follows:

1. Land at former community centre Turlin moor.
2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole
3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road

See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/media.jsp?me
diaid=167724

Read the above, it even states what needed doing to these sites in 2011 to have them ready. Why was this sat on I wonder? You are happy to push for an unsuitable site deemed unsuitable by experts, not idiots like you!
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord gungedin of Ferndown[/bold] wrote: Funny how there hasn't been a single illegal encampment ANYWHERE in the the rest of the County isn't it. Maybe that's because there's a site available at Piiddlehinton and unbeknown to the Echo (it's not really newsworthy) on the several occasions they have pitched up, the same useless Police who do nothing in Bournemouth and Poole, have moved them on within hours. Interestingly as well, when moved on, they have NOT gone to the available site and have left the County. Dorset County Council took the bold step to sort the site at Piddlehinton and the result has been that travellers are no longer an issue. A lesson there perhaps.[/p][/quote]I live in Poole and put a lot of effort last year into explaining to various authorities in Dorset the law on encampments and why an official site would help with moving on. I am hugely disappointed that all my efforts have been for nothing in Poole due to the complete inability to get through to the residents of Creekmoor and their councillor.[/p][/quote]If you knew what you were talking about it would make sense. The consultation paper ruled out the creekmoor sites in 2011, so why push for them in2013! The recommended sites were as follows: 1. Land at former community centre Turlin moor. 2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole 3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor you.com/media.jsp?me diaid=167724 Read the above, it even states what needed doing to these sites in 2011 to have them ready. Why was this sat on I wonder? You are happy to push for an unsuitable site deemed unsuitable by experts, not idiots like you! DiggerRuss
  • Score: 3

11:02pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Loosing faith in Poole Council says...

As a resident of Creekmoor currently selling my home, I am in a position where the growing illegal encampment of travellers is having a detrimental effect on my sale actually going through. Borough of Poole officials are saying they are monitoring the situation for detrimental effects to the area. Are they concerned for the welfare of the residents who live in the Borough and the effect that the site is having on people's lives? It seems concerns fall on deaf ears and reading between the lines they are actually breathing a sigh of relief that the travellers have settled at the park and ride. I have lived in Poole for over 45 years. It is a beautiful place but our gutless Council are succeeding in blighting Poole by spending money and looking after people that nobody wants in the town. If anyone from the Powers That Be actually reads this thread, I implore you to please grow a pair and get this sorted.
As a resident of Creekmoor currently selling my home, I am in a position where the growing illegal encampment of travellers is having a detrimental effect on my sale actually going through. Borough of Poole officials are saying they are monitoring the situation for detrimental effects to the area. Are they concerned for the welfare of the residents who live in the Borough and the effect that the site is having on people's lives? It seems concerns fall on deaf ears and reading between the lines they are actually breathing a sigh of relief that the travellers have settled at the park and ride. I have lived in Poole for over 45 years. It is a beautiful place but our gutless Council are succeeding in blighting Poole by spending money and looking after people that nobody wants in the town. If anyone from the Powers That Be actually reads this thread, I implore you to please grow a pair and get this sorted. Loosing faith in Poole Council
  • Score: 6

11:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

martinsim34 says...

i rekon that there r places around branksome penn hill canfordcliff in branksome u got railway yard car park
i rekon that there r places around branksome penn hill canfordcliff in branksome u got railway yard car park martinsim34
  • Score: 0

11:47pm Tue 12 Aug 14

breamoreboy says...

Just thinking out loud, but another solution would be to get the gentlemen stationed at Hamworthy doing night training with a few flash bangs. If anything were to inadvertently go wrong, say a few caravans were to be torched, nothing could be said as the Official Secrets Acts must come before protecting this bunch of thieves, what with the threat of terrorism and all that.
Just thinking out loud, but another solution would be to get the gentlemen stationed at Hamworthy doing night training with a few flash bangs. If anything were to inadvertently go wrong, say a few caravans were to be torched, nothing could be said as the Official Secrets Acts must come before protecting this bunch of thieves, what with the threat of terrorism and all that. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

11:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

Ok so here is the latest on sterte:
This morning my wife and I went down to environmental health dept. at Stinsford road and spent about an hour talking to one of their people. He told us that a court order hadn't even been applied for and wouldn't be. They are monitoring the situation to see if it affects the residents. I told him that two acts of criminal damage and an assault has affected the residents and he said he can't do anything as the police have not passed on any information at all about this! Great, this happened on Sunday and now it's Wednesday. He asked us what we would do if we were in government and we said they should all be burnt to a crisp, he didn't agree with our solution.
When we got back home one of the travellers pulled up along side us and said they would all be gone within the hour. True to his word the original Neath bunch all left leaving one truck, car and caravan family who had joined the site on Monday (these were some of the ones moved on from christopher crescent). I waited in vain for this last group to leave but they didn't and have now been joined by several other caravans! The skip they have there has proved quite useful though as I had for large bags of rubbish in my back garden which I took over and dumped in their skip!
The gate at the far end of the esplanade was noticed to have no lock on it (the skip lorry came this way), so I have put a padlock on it. I am very tempted to put the original post back in the ground with concrete to stop them coming and going and to stop others arriving.
If you people at the echo want to come and talk to me I live in the house at the start of the esplanade.... Watch this space!
Ok so here is the latest on sterte: This morning my wife and I went down to environmental health dept. at Stinsford road and spent about an hour talking to one of their people. He told us that a court order hadn't even been applied for and wouldn't be. They are monitoring the situation to see if it affects the residents. I told him that two acts of criminal damage and an assault has affected the residents and he said he can't do anything as the police have not passed on any information at all about this! Great, this happened on Sunday and now it's Wednesday. He asked us what we would do if we were in government and we said they should all be burnt to a crisp, he didn't agree with our solution. When we got back home one of the travellers pulled up along side us and said they would all be gone within the hour. True to his word the original Neath bunch all left leaving one truck, car and caravan family who had joined the site on Monday (these were some of the ones moved on from christopher crescent). I waited in vain for this last group to leave but they didn't and have now been joined by several other caravans! The skip they have there has proved quite useful though as I had for large bags of rubbish in my back garden which I took over and dumped in their skip! The gate at the far end of the esplanade was noticed to have no lock on it (the skip lorry came this way), so I have put a padlock on it. I am very tempted to put the original post back in the ground with concrete to stop them coming and going and to stop others arriving. If you people at the echo want to come and talk to me I live in the house at the start of the esplanade.... Watch this space! Mister-G
  • Score: 6

8:27am Thu 14 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

Priesty_UK wrote:
Skips provided? Does that I mean I can go dump what I want in the skips? Im a creekmoor resident and am just renewing my old fence, why should I be discriminated and not allowed when I pay council tax but they do not?
Yes, I have done at Sterte.
[quote][p][bold]Priesty_UK[/bold] wrote: Skips provided? Does that I mean I can go dump what I want in the skips? Im a creekmoor resident and am just renewing my old fence, why should I be discriminated and not allowed when I pay council tax but they do not?[/p][/quote]Yes, I have done at Sterte. Mister-G
  • Score: 4

9:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

Poppy2356 says...

Mister-G............
..Phone this number and speak to the echo. 01202 675413, and you'll get straight through to the people who are doing the traveller stories. I spoke to them Tuesday, and in last nights echo they put in word for word what I said to them over the phone about the Creekmoor contingent. Good luck.......
Mister-G............ ..Phone this number and speak to the echo. 01202 675413, and you'll get straight through to the people who are doing the traveller stories. I spoke to them Tuesday, and in last nights echo they put in word for word what I said to them over the phone about the Creekmoor contingent. Good luck....... Poppy2356
  • Score: 0

11:52am Thu 14 Aug 14

losthope says...

muscliffman wrote:
Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday?

Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous!
Do we have a PCC then? I thought he was a mythical creature who was only seen when there was credit to be taken.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Usual question; Are they really 'Irish Travellers' in the intended ethnic context, or just a bunch of anarchic lawless UK resident tourists here for their routine summer season air-show and steam-fair free holiday? Is anyone in our authorities asking or investigating, is our PCC and his team getting on top of the problem? - Don't be ridiculous![/p][/quote]Do we have a PCC then? I thought he was a mythical creature who was only seen when there was credit to be taken. losthope
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3:48pm Thu 14 Aug 14

snowflakes says...

In simple terms, why are these people so much in CONTROL.
They are not the original Romany travellers,they are just a new generation of useless, non tax paying degenerates who are using the system as a mask to live Council Tax free, and in being allowed to do so, de-value the propert of decent Council Tax paying citizens.
Get them off Creekmoor now.
In simple terms, why are these people so much in CONTROL. They are not the original Romany travellers,they are just a new generation of useless, non tax paying degenerates who are using the system as a mask to live Council Tax free, and in being allowed to do so, de-value the propert of decent Council Tax paying citizens. Get them off Creekmoor now. snowflakes
  • Score: 3

1:37am Fri 15 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

If anyone is interested I have started a Facebook group - 'Traveller Watch - Poole' where we can keep each other updated on the various 'traveller' activities in the Poole area. Feel free to join and post comments, photos, videos relevant to the situation.
If anyone is interested I have started a Facebook group - 'Traveller Watch - Poole' where we can keep each other updated on the various 'traveller' activities in the Poole area. Feel free to join and post comments, photos, videos relevant to the situation. Mister-G
  • Score: 4

1:41am Fri 15 Aug 14

Mister-G says...

Tonight I have exercised my right to travel and have traveled to Canford Cliffs village and am parked for the night on a nice shady patch of grass on Cliff Drive.
Goodnight!
Tonight I have exercised my right to travel and have traveled to Canford Cliffs village and am parked for the night on a nice shady patch of grass on Cliff Drive. Goodnight! Mister-G
  • Score: 6

12:57pm Sat 16 Aug 14

ekimnoslen says...

Why do we have this flurry of complaints every year. The pattern is always the same.
1) Travelers arrive.
2) Police creep into action and do what they usually do - b****r all.
3) Local councils act surprised and caught off guard and try to enforce eviction orders.
4) Those closest to the sites complain vigorously.
5) Rest of population breathe sigh of relief for the fact that these people aren't near their property.
6) Travelers leave and council workers clear up the revolting mess that this so called ethnic minority leaves behind.
7) We wait for same next year.

Interestingly I assume that all the travelers' vehicles are taxed, insured and MOT'd which, given their contempt for our society, I find strange.
The police would otherwise take action of course..
Only joking of course, but I wonder if in the future car parks will have, in addition to special bays for the disabled and parents with children, bays specially for ethnic minorities!
Why do we have this flurry of complaints every year. The pattern is always the same. 1) Travelers arrive. 2) Police creep into action and do what they usually do - b****r all. 3) Local councils act surprised and caught off guard and try to enforce eviction orders. 4) Those closest to the sites complain vigorously. 5) Rest of population breathe sigh of relief for the fact that these people aren't near their property. 6) Travelers leave and council workers clear up the revolting mess that this so called ethnic minority leaves behind. 7) We wait for same next year. Interestingly I assume that all the travelers' vehicles are taxed, insured and MOT'd which, given their contempt for our society, I find strange. The police would otherwise take action of course.. Only joking of course, but I wonder if in the future car parks will have, in addition to special bays for the disabled and parents with children, bays specially for ethnic minorities! ekimnoslen
  • Score: 1

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