Older drivers invited to brush up on their driving skills on course

Bournemouth Echo: HELP: Older drivers can brush up on their driving skills HELP: Older drivers can brush up on their driving skills

OLDER drivers are being invited to take part in a course designed to improve driving skills and boost confidence on the road.

Following a successful pilot project, Dorset Council is offering residents aged 70 and over more chances to take part in a two-hour long discussion session about driving issues.

There is also an optional session for an observed practical refresher drive in their own car at a later date.

The theory session costs just £5. To book a place email roadsafety@ dorsetcc.gov.uk or call the road safety team on 01305 224558.

More information is available at dorsetforyou.com/road safety/gold.

Cllr Peter Finney, pictured, cabinet member for environment and economy, said: “We could all do with a refresher from time to time, however long we’ve been driving.”

He added: “This course gives people a chance to brush up on their driving skills boost their confidence and help them stay safe when they’re out and about on the road.”

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2:15pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Turtlebay says...

Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course. Turtlebay
  • Score: 24

2:16pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Cosmic Crusader says...

Might be useful to also target the other high risk age group, 16 - 25.
Might be useful to also target the other high risk age group, 16 - 25. Cosmic Crusader
  • Score: 28

2:50pm Sat 12 Jul 14

elite50 says...

Cosmic Crusader wrote:
Might be useful to also target the other high risk age group, 16 - 25.
The "Macho" female members of this group also need a lot of help!
[quote][p][bold]Cosmic Crusader[/bold] wrote: Might be useful to also target the other high risk age group, 16 - 25.[/p][/quote]The "Macho" female members of this group also need a lot of help! elite50
  • Score: 21

2:54pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Teddy 1 says...

Same old same old....yawn!! When are the ciuncik going to get smart with their cash and look at the stats and devide the strategy around that. Bad management and leadership spring to mind, sadly!
Same old same old....yawn!! When are the ciuncik going to get smart with their cash and look at the stats and devide the strategy around that. Bad management and leadership spring to mind, sadly! Teddy 1
  • Score: -9

3:38pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Roginthesouth says...

There are good and bad drivers in all age groups, but anybody who has any doubts concerning the increased risk of the over 70`s, needs to spend some time driving around Highcliffe and Christchurch. That area contains a high percentage of drivers in that category who drive infrequently, and as a result are a risk to themselves, other road users, and pedestrians.
There are good and bad drivers in all age groups, but anybody who has any doubts concerning the increased risk of the over 70`s, needs to spend some time driving around Highcliffe and Christchurch. That area contains a high percentage of drivers in that category who drive infrequently, and as a result are a risk to themselves, other road users, and pedestrians. Roginthesouth
  • Score: 8

3:57pm Sat 12 Jul 14

bobthedestroyer says...

Great idea but this should be open to any driver and not "higlighting" elderly drivers.

I know it wouldn't be easy but it would be good to make everyone to take the theory test on renewal of their license, not to decide whether a license should be issued (unless they score 5% or something equally horrendous) but when i took it for my bike test it served as a reminder about awareness when driving.

Sadly it would be used as a means to rake in more money by charging for the theory test plus renewing your license.
Great idea but this should be open to any driver and not "higlighting" elderly drivers. I know it wouldn't be easy but it would be good to make everyone to take the theory test on renewal of their license, not to decide whether a license should be issued (unless they score 5% or something equally horrendous) but when i took it for my bike test it served as a reminder about awareness when driving. Sadly it would be used as a means to rake in more money by charging for the theory test plus renewing your license. bobthedestroyer
  • Score: 0

4:28pm Sat 12 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'!

And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end!
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'! And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end! muscliffman
  • Score: 6

4:39pm Sat 12 Jul 14

arthur1948 says...

Everyone is a great driver... Just ask them....no one will admit differently ...
Everyone is a great driver... Just ask them....no one will admit differently ... arthur1948
  • Score: 0

5:17pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Townee says...

Worst drivers I see are the youngish ladies driving Chelsea tractors at warp speed where ever they go. They always seem to be in a hurry no mater what time of day I see them. They rarely give way when the road is obstructed on their side or at t junctions when the other driver arrives at the junction first.
Worst drivers I see are the youngish ladies driving Chelsea tractors at warp speed where ever they go. They always seem to be in a hurry no mater what time of day I see them. They rarely give way when the road is obstructed on their side or at t junctions when the other driver arrives at the junction first. Townee
  • Score: 11

5:48pm Sat 12 Jul 14

billy bumble says...

At the risk of being paranoid - is this perhaps a device for course presenters to report back to the DVLA?
At the risk of being paranoid - is this perhaps a device for course presenters to report back to the DVLA? billy bumble
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Sat 12 Jul 14

JemBmth says...

Can they do one for cyclists too? PLEEEEEZZZZZZ
Can they do one for cyclists too? PLEEEEEZZZZZZ JemBmth
  • Score: 6

6:31pm Sat 12 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

billy bumble wrote:
At the risk of being paranoid - is this perhaps a device for course presenters to report back to the DVLA?
Yep,especially when they fail the eyesight test.....and they pay a fiver for the privilege.
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: At the risk of being paranoid - is this perhaps a device for course presenters to report back to the DVLA?[/p][/quote]Yep,especially when they fail the eyesight test.....and they pay a fiver for the privilege. BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

7:56pm Sat 12 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile . miltonarcher
  • Score: -11

8:48pm Sat 12 Jul 14

kinsonjim says...

Ev officialsery one who is convicted of any 'road' crime should have to pass another 'test'. Not the complete driving test, but something that will show that the 'convicted' one can drive safely and know the 'rules' of the road.The trouble is it will need even more government employies, on fat salleries and 'lush' pensions
Ev officialsery one who is convicted of any 'road' crime should have to pass another 'test'. Not the complete driving test, but something that will show that the 'convicted' one can drive safely and know the 'rules' of the road.The trouble is it will need even more government employies, on fat salleries and 'lush' pensions kinsonjim
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Sat 12 Jul 14

JemBmth says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
I agree. The Audi and Beema drivers are real culprits. Someone suggested I buy a BMW as I was looking for a new car and I just said "No way, I do not want to be one of those T---ers". I meant it. I got a French car instead.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]I agree. The Audi and Beema drivers are real culprits. Someone suggested I buy a BMW as I was looking for a new car and I just said "No way, I do not want to be one of those T---ers". I meant it. I got a French car instead. JemBmth
  • Score: 0

8:53pm Sat 12 Jul 14

JemBmth says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .
I totally agree with miltonarcher
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .[/p][/quote]I totally agree with miltonarcher JemBmth
  • Score: -4

9:01pm Sat 12 Jul 14

fireflier says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
BMW = Brainless Motorist Within
AUDI = Another Useless Driver Inside.

Why is it that all those who are at the wheel of these Deutcher vehicles seem to have had the brain stirred up with a stick?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]BMW = Brainless Motorist Within AUDI = Another Useless Driver Inside. Why is it that all those who are at the wheel of these Deutcher vehicles seem to have had the brain stirred up with a stick? fireflier
  • Score: -1

9:08pm Sat 12 Jul 14

retry69 says...

Jealousy is so sad to read :(
Jealousy is so sad to read :( retry69
  • Score: 10

11:00pm Sat 12 Jul 14

ragj195 says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
What a dumb comment. Akin to me saying all LGV drivers watch tv while driving and cut you up on the motorway if you don't let them pull out of the lane one.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]What a dumb comment. Akin to me saying all LGV drivers watch tv while driving and cut you up on the motorway if you don't let them pull out of the lane one. ragj195
  • Score: 2

11:21pm Sat 12 Jul 14

miltonarcher says...

JemBmth wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
I agree. The Audi and Beema drivers are real culprits. Someone suggested I buy a BMW as I was looking for a new car and I just said "No way, I do not want to be one of those T---ers". I meant it. I got a French car instead.
Ha ha ha ha "I got a French car instead" that proves your life is about as exciting as cold rice pudding.
[quote][p][bold]JemBmth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]I agree. The Audi and Beema drivers are real culprits. Someone suggested I buy a BMW as I was looking for a new car and I just said "No way, I do not want to be one of those T---ers". I meant it. I got a French car instead.[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha "I got a French car instead" that proves your life is about as exciting as cold rice pudding. miltonarcher
  • Score: 0

5:41am Sun 13 Jul 14

Tango Charlie says...

Personal observations suggest the the highway code has some new rules.
If you are over 60 the speed limit on a motorway is 50mph.
If under 30, best practice on a roundabout is overtaking a 44 ton truck at speed before breaking heavily to a stop before checking if the roundabout is clear.
For all drivers, if your shaving mirror steams up of a morning then you need your fog lights on..
Personal observations suggest the the highway code has some new rules. If you are over 60 the speed limit on a motorway is 50mph. If under 30, best practice on a roundabout is overtaking a 44 ton truck at speed before breaking heavily to a stop before checking if the roundabout is clear. For all drivers, if your shaving mirror steams up of a morning then you need your fog lights on.. Tango Charlie
  • Score: 1

7:29am Sun 13 Jul 14

Turtlebay says...

muscliffman wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'!

And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end!
On all of the five courses I attended, the instructors were all experienced HGV qualified driving instructors, some were also ex-VOSA with many years driving and mechanical experience. Despite the cost - £180 per session - it was a very worthwhile experience!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'! And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end![/p][/quote]On all of the five courses I attended, the instructors were all experienced HGV qualified driving instructors, some were also ex-VOSA with many years driving and mechanical experience. Despite the cost - £180 per session - it was a very worthwhile experience! Turtlebay
  • Score: 2

7:29am Sun 13 Jul 14

Turtlebay says...

muscliffman wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'!

And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end!
On all of the five courses I attended, the instructors were all experienced HGV qualified driving instructors, some were also ex-VOSA with many years driving and mechanical experience. Despite the cost - £180 per session - it was a very worthwhile experience!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'! And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end![/p][/quote]On all of the five courses I attended, the instructors were all experienced HGV qualified driving instructors, some were also ex-VOSA with many years driving and mechanical experience. Despite the cost - £180 per session - it was a very worthwhile experience! Turtlebay
  • Score: 0

7:33am Sun 13 Jul 14

Turtlebay says...

The only reason someone would hang up their vocational licence is when they know they aren't likely to pass the tests due to driving incompetence.

Only those of us who hold the new DCQ card after mid September this year will be allowed to continue to drive lorries and that's bound to drive up the wages!
The only reason someone would hang up their vocational licence is when they know they aren't likely to pass the tests due to driving incompetence. Only those of us who hold the new DCQ card after mid September this year will be allowed to continue to drive lorries and that's bound to drive up the wages! Turtlebay
  • Score: 0

10:22am Sun 13 Jul 14

caapprentice says...

I went on one of these courses earlier this year. During discussions it seemed evident that those who attended were least likely to have needed to do so. None of those who did attend were of a lower age group (probably since they all know what wonderfully skilled drivers they are).
I went on one of these courses earlier this year. During discussions it seemed evident that those who attended were least likely to have needed to do so. None of those who did attend were of a lower age group (probably since they all know what wonderfully skilled drivers they are). caapprentice
  • Score: 2

10:25am Sun 13 Jul 14

ShuttleX says...

muscliffman wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'!

And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end!
I don't quite know where you got your information from Muscliffeman. You might want to go look at the National Safety Councils website. According to that, crashes per 1000 licenced drivers is... 30-34 age group = 55. For the 35-39 group it's 52. Whereas for the 70-74 age group it's 29 and 75-79 it's 30. As you would expect, the younger the age group, the higher the crash rate. That's from the NSC own figures, not mine. The truth is, all age groups could do with refresher courses.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'! And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end![/p][/quote]I don't quite know where you got your information from Muscliffeman. You might want to go look at the National Safety Councils website. According to that, crashes per 1000 licenced drivers is... 30-34 age group = 55. For the 35-39 group it's 52. Whereas for the 70-74 age group it's 29 and 75-79 it's 30. As you would expect, the younger the age group, the higher the crash rate. That's from the NSC own figures, not mine. The truth is, all age groups could do with refresher courses. ShuttleX
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Sun 13 Jul 14

folkprotector says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .
I support Tutlebay's comment. There's no for insulting comments on it.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .[/p][/quote]I support Tutlebay's comment. There's no for insulting comments on it. folkprotector
  • Score: -2

2:10pm Sun 13 Jul 14

folkprotector says...

folkprotector wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .
I support Tutlebay's comment. There's no for insulting comments on it.
... no need...
[quote][p][bold]folkprotector[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .[/p][/quote]I support Tutlebay's comment. There's no for insulting comments on it.[/p][/quote]... no need... folkprotector
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8:43pm Sun 13 Jul 14

MotorbikeSam says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .
I agree, not all but a good number of audi and bmw drivers show no regard for road safety by exceeding the speed limit.. most of us who observe the limit will know if one of these car are behind us they will overtake... just an observation !!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]You idiot, you start off with a rational comment then make yourself look a complete fool by suggesting that the drivers of those two German manufacturers are some how worse drivers. Got any evidence? No, thought not. The other observation I would make is perhaps you should concentrate on your own driving instead of checking out the ages of other drivers. Perhaps a case of jealousy because you can't afford a decent BMW or Audi . Get rid of that chip on your shoulder you imbecile .[/p][/quote]I agree, not all but a good number of audi and bmw drivers show no regard for road safety by exceeding the speed limit.. most of us who observe the limit will know if one of these car are behind us they will overtake... just an observation !! MotorbikeSam
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8:48pm Sun 13 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Roginthesouth wrote:
There are good and bad drivers in all age groups, but anybody who has any doubts concerning the increased risk of the over 70`s, needs to spend some time driving around Highcliffe and Christchurch. That area contains a high percentage of drivers in that category who drive infrequently, and as a result are a risk to themselves, other road users, and pedestrians.
I do and see them every time I am out. Too old, not a criticism just a fact.

I am too old in my forties to do some things - things that some 40 plus years can still do and good luck to them - but age means for certain things count me out.

Driving is no different for all the oldies getting on their high horse here.
[quote][p][bold]Roginthesouth[/bold] wrote: There are good and bad drivers in all age groups, but anybody who has any doubts concerning the increased risk of the over 70`s, needs to spend some time driving around Highcliffe and Christchurch. That area contains a high percentage of drivers in that category who drive infrequently, and as a result are a risk to themselves, other road users, and pedestrians.[/p][/quote]I do and see them every time I am out. Too old, not a criticism just a fact. I am too old in my forties to do some things - things that some 40 plus years can still do and good luck to them - but age means for certain things count me out. Driving is no different for all the oldies getting on their high horse here. scrumpyjack
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9:11pm Sun 13 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

JemBmth wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
I agree. The Audi and Beema drivers are real culprits. Someone suggested I buy a BMW as I was looking for a new car and I just said "No way, I do not want to be one of those T---ers". I meant it. I got a French car instead.
'I got a French car instead.'....

You get what you deserve I find.
[quote][p][bold]JemBmth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]I agree. The Audi and Beema drivers are real culprits. Someone suggested I buy a BMW as I was looking for a new car and I just said "No way, I do not want to be one of those T---ers". I meant it. I got a French car instead.[/p][/quote]'I got a French car instead.'.... You get what you deserve I find. scrumpyjack
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9:13pm Sun 13 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

fireflier wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
BMW = Brainless Motorist Within
AUDI = Another Useless Driver Inside.

Why is it that all those who are at the wheel of these Deutcher vehicles seem to have had the brain stirred up with a stick?
I don't know why?
[quote][p][bold]fireflier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]BMW = Brainless Motorist Within AUDI = Another Useless Driver Inside. Why is it that all those who are at the wheel of these Deutcher vehicles seem to have had the brain stirred up with a stick?[/p][/quote]I don't know why? scrumpyjack
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9:20pm Sun 13 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

ShuttleX wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'!

And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end!
I don't quite know where you got your information from Muscliffeman. You might want to go look at the National Safety Councils website. According to that, crashes per 1000 licenced drivers is... 30-34 age group = 55. For the 35-39 group it's 52. Whereas for the 70-74 age group it's 29 and 75-79 it's 30. As you would expect, the younger the age group, the higher the crash rate. That's from the NSC own figures, not mine. The truth is, all age groups could do with refresher courses.
Nothing to do with the time people spend in a car or the miles they do every year (eg a working 30 something to retired 79 year old) or the numbers of 30 - 40's still alive and driving compared to over 75s as another?

Nah.
[quote][p][bold]ShuttleX[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]But none of the accident statistics or for that matter the market led car insurance business indicate that this group is the one in need of 'tuition'! And indeed many experienced UK truck and bus drivers with long safe records have lately hung up their vocational licences at the prospect of a young inexperienced bureaucrat or a 'retired' public servant lecturing them under a new EU directive for 35-hours about how to do their old job properly. Of course many of their driving places have been filled with EU migrants who whilst fully qualified in their home Country under these EU rules still only understand English (barely) as a second language, so that's improved UK road safety no end![/p][/quote]I don't quite know where you got your information from Muscliffeman. You might want to go look at the National Safety Councils website. According to that, crashes per 1000 licenced drivers is... 30-34 age group = 55. For the 35-39 group it's 52. Whereas for the 70-74 age group it's 29 and 75-79 it's 30. As you would expect, the younger the age group, the higher the crash rate. That's from the NSC own figures, not mine. The truth is, all age groups could do with refresher courses.[/p][/quote]Nothing to do with the time people spend in a car or the miles they do every year (eg a working 30 something to retired 79 year old) or the numbers of 30 - 40's still alive and driving compared to over 75s as another? Nah. scrumpyjack
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12:19am Mon 14 Jul 14

Actualbournemouthsupporter says...

Ironic how BMW and Audi drivers are apparently stupid even though most of them have got good jobs meaning they can afford nice cars because they've evidently got their heads screwed on. Truth is there's bad drivers in all categories no matter what car you drive or your age and that's why you have to be a good driver in order to avoid accidents with these people. It's got a lot more to do with natural skill and personality than anything else, although it gets to a point where you can be too old to physically drive and that's where it can get dangerous.
Ironic how BMW and Audi drivers are apparently stupid even though most of them have got good jobs meaning they can afford nice cars because they've evidently got their heads screwed on. Truth is there's bad drivers in all categories no matter what car you drive or your age and that's why you have to be a good driver in order to avoid accidents with these people. It's got a lot more to do with natural skill and personality than anything else, although it gets to a point where you can be too old to physically drive and that's where it can get dangerous. Actualbournemouthsupporter
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7:19am Mon 14 Jul 14

Rally says...

ragj195 wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers!

As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.
What a dumb comment. Akin to me saying all LGV drivers watch tv while driving and cut you up on the motorway if you don't let them pull out of the lane one.
Turtlebay based his or her comment on his or her own personal extensive experience, therefore it is not invalid.
How far beyond Turtlebay's experience this argument that 'it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.' can be extended is another matter.
However, my experience and that of many of my friends and associates is much the same as Turtlebay's.
Mind you, none of us drive a BMW or an Audi, so it must be down to envy on our parts, mustn't it . . . :)

p.s. Porche drivers are little better
[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Good idea but it's not the 70 plus year olds that need their driving skills brushed up but the 30 somethings and above, they're the worst drivers! As an LGV commercial driver I have just completed a compulsory 35 hour course of instruction that we all have to take, and I can say from personal observation that it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.[/p][/quote]What a dumb comment. Akin to me saying all LGV drivers watch tv while driving and cut you up on the motorway if you don't let them pull out of the lane one.[/p][/quote]Turtlebay based his or her comment on his or her own personal extensive experience, therefore it is not invalid. How far beyond Turtlebay's experience this argument that 'it is the 30 plus individuals, more often than not in Audis and BMWs that really need a refresher course.' can be extended is another matter. However, my experience and that of many of my friends and associates is much the same as Turtlebay's. Mind you, none of us drive a BMW or an Audi, so it must be down to envy on our parts, mustn't it . . . :) p.s. Porche drivers are little better Rally
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