Steam ban hits historic train excursion on day of strike action

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ONE of the more unusual repercussions of today's public sector strike was the effect on a historic train excursion, that was due to steam into Swanage station.

Surrey-based Steam Dreams, who operate the Cathedrals Express, were set to run a steam train from London Victoria to Swanage.

However, because Dorset firefighters from the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) were supporting the walkout, Network Rail ordered the company to replace the steam locomotives with two diesel engines as a safety precaution.

Steam Dreams confirmed they were barred from operating a steam locomotive on the mainline.

A Network Rail spokesman told the Daily Echo: “Whenever there have been fire strikes in the past one of the repercussions is that we cannot allow steam trains to run on the network.

“In the days when the railway was largely operated by steam, the trains kept all the trackside vegetation cut back because, basically, they kept setting fire to the stuff.

“Today most of our trains, on our much greener railway, are diesel or electric, and we have many trees trackside. Unfortunately, this means steam trains do pose a bit of a fire risk.

“Normally, to accommodate steam enthusiasts, it is manageable – but it does mean that if there is a fire strike we have to impose a safety ban.”

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8:12am Fri 11 Jul 14

MJD says...

Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.
Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies. MJD
  • Score: -11

12:55pm Fri 11 Jul 14

DST says...

MJD wrote:
Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.
You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation. DST
  • Score: 10

1:14pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Watchful_Eye says...

DST wrote:
MJD wrote:
Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.
You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.
Weren't Swanage Railway running their own steam trains yesterday (Thursday 10/07/2014)?

This must mean that there was a greater fire cover in Purbeck since obviously the risk was not perceived as great as on the mainlines?!?!?!
[quote][p][bold]DST[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.[/p][/quote]Weren't Swanage Railway running their own steam trains yesterday (Thursday 10/07/2014)? This must mean that there was a greater fire cover in Purbeck since obviously the risk was not perceived as great as on the mainlines?!?!?! Watchful_Eye
  • Score: 1

2:25pm Fri 11 Jul 14

minivin says...

Watchful_Eye wrote:
DST wrote:
MJD wrote:
Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.
You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.
Weren't Swanage Railway running their own steam trains yesterday (Thursday 10/07/2014)?

This must mean that there was a greater fire cover in Purbeck since obviously the risk was not perceived as great as on the mainlines?!?!?!
Swanage Railway, as I believe a number of preservation railways, have a team on site to deal with the potential of fires on their sites. Network rail does not have this capability, so all rail-side fire incidents are required to be attended by the fire service. There in lies the problem.

The preservation lines were mildly affected, but it was the main-line excursions that were not allowed to be run on this day.
[quote][p][bold]Watchful_Eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DST[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.[/p][/quote]Weren't Swanage Railway running their own steam trains yesterday (Thursday 10/07/2014)? This must mean that there was a greater fire cover in Purbeck since obviously the risk was not perceived as great as on the mainlines?!?!?![/p][/quote]Swanage Railway, as I believe a number of preservation railways, have a team on site to deal with the potential of fires on their sites. Network rail does not have this capability, so all rail-side fire incidents are required to be attended by the fire service. There in lies the problem. The preservation lines were mildly affected, but it was the main-line excursions that were not allowed to be run on this day. minivin
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2:56pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Watchful_Eye says...

minivin wrote:
Watchful_Eye wrote:
DST wrote:
MJD wrote:
Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.
You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.
Weren't Swanage Railway running their own steam trains yesterday (Thursday 10/07/2014)?

This must mean that there was a greater fire cover in Purbeck since obviously the risk was not perceived as great as on the mainlines?!?!?!
Swanage Railway, as I believe a number of preservation railways, have a team on site to deal with the potential of fires on their sites. Network rail does not have this capability, so all rail-side fire incidents are required to be attended by the fire service. There in lies the problem.

The preservation lines were mildly affected, but it was the main-line excursions that were not allowed to be run on this day.
minivan, thank you for the clarity and the emphasis on:

"have a team on site to deal with the potential of fires on their sites." &
"so all rail-side fire incidents "
[quote][p][bold]minivin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Watchful_Eye[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DST[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: Let get the facts right Daily Echo. It had nothing to do with the Dorset firefighters strike. In fact the steam loco was due to take on water at Winchfield and Beaulie Road on the way to Swanage. On the return trip to London it was due to take on water at Basingstoke. So were do Dorset firerfighters come into it as Swanage has its own water supplies.[/p][/quote]You've got it wrong. It has nothing to do about where locomotive tales on water. It is the lack of fire cover of sparks from the loco set fire to lineside vegetation.[/p][/quote]Weren't Swanage Railway running their own steam trains yesterday (Thursday 10/07/2014)? This must mean that there was a greater fire cover in Purbeck since obviously the risk was not perceived as great as on the mainlines?!?!?![/p][/quote]Swanage Railway, as I believe a number of preservation railways, have a team on site to deal with the potential of fires on their sites. Network rail does not have this capability, so all rail-side fire incidents are required to be attended by the fire service. There in lies the problem. The preservation lines were mildly affected, but it was the main-line excursions that were not allowed to be run on this day.[/p][/quote]minivan, thank you for the clarity and the emphasis on: "have a team on site to deal with the potential of fires on their sites." & "so all rail-side fire incidents " Watchful_Eye
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4:06pm Fri 11 Jul 14

MJD says...

Lets put this another way. The way the Echo has written it blames the Dorset Firefighters solely. It was a national strike. The tour started in London. Since when has London Basingstoke, Winchfield and Beaulieu been in Dorset ? It should have read. Due to the National firefighters strike, Network Rail ordered the company to replace the steam locomotives with two diesel engines as safety precaution.

However, because Dorset firefighters from the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) were supporting the walkout,a Network Rail ordered the company to replace the steam locomotives with two diesel engines as safety precaution
Lets put this another way. The way the Echo has written it blames the Dorset Firefighters solely. It was a national strike. The tour started in London. Since when has London Basingstoke, Winchfield and Beaulieu been in Dorset ? It should have read. Due to the National firefighters strike, Network Rail ordered the company to replace the steam locomotives with two diesel engines as safety precaution. However, because Dorset firefighters from the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) were supporting the walkout,a Network Rail ordered the company to replace the steam locomotives with two diesel engines as safety precaution MJD
  • Score: -2

9:26pm Fri 11 Jul 14

uvox44 says...

what a load of rubbish! the trackside vegetation was not kept down by the fires started by steam trains in the past , it was carefully managed and tended ! This is just Network Rail re-writing history to justify the LACK of maintenance that now occurs on trackside vegetation.
what a load of rubbish! the trackside vegetation was not kept down by the fires started by steam trains in the past , it was carefully managed and tended ! This is just Network Rail re-writing history to justify the LACK of maintenance that now occurs on trackside vegetation. uvox44
  • Score: 1

8:21am Sat 12 Jul 14

Watchful_Eye says...

BBC Dorset News 28 May 2012 Last updated at 09:32

.Swanage Railway steam train sparks cause fire


Firefighters had to be called after sparks from a steam train started a fire on a railway embankment in Dorset.

The fire covered an area of grassland by Swanage Railway between Corfe Castle and Afflington Bridge.

It was reported by a member of the public shortly before 16:30 BST on Sunday and tackled by 17:00.

A Dorset Fire spokesman said: "A steam train passed through throwing out hot sparks which resulted in the very dry track side vegetation catching alight."
BBC Dorset News 28 May 2012 Last updated at 09:32 .Swanage Railway steam train sparks cause fire Firefighters had to be called after sparks from a steam train started a fire on a railway embankment in Dorset. The fire covered an area of grassland by Swanage Railway between Corfe Castle and Afflington Bridge. It was reported by a member of the public shortly before 16:30 BST on Sunday and tackled by 17:00. A Dorset Fire spokesman said: "A steam train passed through throwing out hot sparks which resulted in the very dry track side vegetation catching alight." Watchful_Eye
  • Score: 4
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