Stag night “party houses” should be banned , say furious residents

Stag night “party houses” should be banned , say furious residents

legislation: Steve Cameron is the organiser of the Party House Action Group

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A 40-strong action group of Poole residents has been formed to fight against party houses they say are blighting their lives.

Residents of Canford Cliffs and Branksome Park beset by noise and anti-social behaviour from homes rented out for big family, stag and hen parties, have formed the Party House Action Group.

Founder Steve Cameron, of Moorfields Road, whose family has to put up with late-night nuisance from a party house in nearby Elmstead Road, said there was a solution through planning regulations and accused the council of not grasping the nettle.

“You have occupancy of up to 20 people in a four-bed house. It’s just not right and the council need to do something about it,” he said.

“Residents are being let down and the people running these houses are being let down. There is no legislation and people are being put at risk every way.”

The group argues that enforcement action could be taken as this is a change of use from a normal residence and points out there is no protection for party-goers through fire regulations or limits on numbers.

“No one is a party pooper,” he said. “Everyone has a barbecue or a party, especially when the weather is nice. But it’s not like every day.”

Dorset Police and Borough of Poole have got together to produce a letter for residents which sets out what action can be taken through environmental health and in incidents of anti-social behaviour.

Mr Cameron welcomed the letter as “helpful” adding: “It is difficult to deal with under these laws. That is why we are saying it’s a planning issue.”

The extent of the problem was set out by Poole MP Robert Syms at a Westminster debate in the spring.

He outlined a catalogue of complaints including drunken revellers playing football in gardens at 3am, prostitutes arriving at all hours, thumping music all night, blow-up sex toys left in full view of the street and drunks climbing neighbours’ trees.

The borough responds

Andy Dearing, team enforcement manager, Borough of Poole, said: “The council is carefully considering all the comments made by the Party House Action Group that the properties concerned are in breach of planning law.

“We are continuing to work hard with residents, councillors and environmental health to enable the planners to make an assessment of each property’s characteristics.”

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6:13am Tue 1 Jul 14

enjay62 says...

Party House Action Group known as - PHAG - for short a rather unfortunate choice of words one might say.
Party House Action Group known as - PHAG - for short a rather unfortunate choice of words one might say. enjay62
  • Score: 11

6:40am Tue 1 Jul 14

S,Bowes says...

A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .
A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots . S,Bowes
  • Score: 55

7:09am Tue 1 Jul 14

Baysider says...

S,Bowes wrote:
A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .
Sorry but who is expecting them to tolerate these idiots?
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .[/p][/quote]Sorry but who is expecting them to tolerate these idiots? Baysider
  • Score: -20

7:09am Tue 1 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

Obviously there are no councillors living near.
Obviously there are no councillors living near. pete woodley
  • Score: 52

7:10am Tue 1 Jul 14

pete woodley says...

Obviously there are no councillors living near.
Obviously there are no councillors living near. pete woodley
  • Score: 23

7:29am Tue 1 Jul 14

S,Bowes says...

Baysider wrote:
S,Bowes wrote:
A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .
Sorry but who is expecting them to tolerate these idiots?
The people getting financial gain at the expense of the locals.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .[/p][/quote]Sorry but who is expecting them to tolerate these idiots?[/p][/quote]The people getting financial gain at the expense of the locals. S,Bowes
  • Score: 32

7:31am Tue 1 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this. If it is not worth their while it will soon stop, obviously. It would be certainly worth pressing the council on this point.
If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this. If it is not worth their while it will soon stop, obviously. It would be certainly worth pressing the council on this point. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 20

7:40am Tue 1 Jul 14

mark.s says...

Nice free publicity for the people who own and run these houses here. Had no idea they existed.

Laws are there for a reason. If/when they are broken, it's a police matter.
Nice free publicity for the people who own and run these houses here. Had no idea they existed. Laws are there for a reason. If/when they are broken, it's a police matter. mark.s
  • Score: 13

7:40am Tue 1 Jul 14

justme20092009 says...

moaning ****
moaning **** justme20092009
  • Score: -45

7:58am Tue 1 Jul 14

BackOfTheNet says...

It's completely unfair that people in big, expensive houses in posh areas should have to put up with what everyone else has to tolerate every day, etc.
It's completely unfair that people in big, expensive houses in posh areas should have to put up with what everyone else has to tolerate every day, etc. BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 39

8:00am Tue 1 Jul 14

Chief-Wiggum says...

A non story purely made for comments
A non story purely made for comments Chief-Wiggum
  • Score: -21

8:10am Tue 1 Jul 14

twynham says...

Chief-Wiggum wrote:
A non story purely made for comments
Well that worked then!
[quote][p][bold]Chief-Wiggum[/bold] wrote: A non story purely made for comments[/p][/quote]Well that worked then! twynham
  • Score: 9

9:03am Tue 1 Jul 14

Townee says...

Some of these people who live in that area should try living in Winton or Charminster when the Uni students have their nightly parties. Then they could complain to no availe like residents of Winton and Charminster who have had to put up with all this for nearly 20 years.
Some of these people who live in that area should try living in Winton or Charminster when the Uni students have their nightly parties. Then they could complain to no availe like residents of Winton and Charminster who have had to put up with all this for nearly 20 years. Townee
  • Score: 39

9:16am Tue 1 Jul 14

attra says...

enjay62 wrote:
Party House Action Group known as - PHAG - for short a rather unfortunate choice of words one might say.
Not nearly as 'unfortunate ' as the type of weekends endured by the normal quiet neighbours of those Party houses! (We should know as we have one in our road) . And not nearly as 'unfortunate ' as the selfish attitude of DeLuxe Holidays homes in the choice of 'guests' they inflict on our neighbourhood. The Echo's description of the the party hordes is spot on! See how you would like them in your garden every Friday afternoon -2pm on the dot - until their screeching departure, lunchtime Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]enjay62[/bold] wrote: Party House Action Group known as - PHAG - for short a rather unfortunate choice of words one might say.[/p][/quote]Not nearly as 'unfortunate ' as the type of weekends endured by the normal quiet neighbours of those Party houses! (We should know as we have one in our road) . And not nearly as 'unfortunate ' as the selfish attitude of DeLuxe Holidays homes in the choice of 'guests' they inflict on our neighbourhood. The Echo's description of the the party hordes is spot on! See how you would like them in your garden every Friday afternoon -2pm on the dot - until their screeching departure, lunchtime Sunday. attra
  • Score: 20

9:39am Tue 1 Jul 14

liveinpeace says...

I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?
I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property? liveinpeace
  • Score: 31

9:42am Tue 1 Jul 14

dorsetgills says...

A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.
A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town. dorsetgills
  • Score: -14

9:48am Tue 1 Jul 14

liveinpeace says...

justme20092009 wrote:
moaning ****
just me ....says it all!
[quote][p][bold]justme20092009[/bold] wrote: moaning ****[/p][/quote]just me ....says it all! liveinpeace
  • Score: 2

10:34am Tue 1 Jul 14

Buzetti says...

liveinpeace wrote:
I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?
Let me guess - she was driving either a black Range Rover Sport or a black Porsche Cayenne? They usually are....
[quote][p][bold]liveinpeace[/bold] wrote: I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?[/p][/quote]Let me guess - she was driving either a black Range Rover Sport or a black Porsche Cayenne? They usually are.... Buzetti
  • Score: 13

11:32am Tue 1 Jul 14

Positano says...

Be careful nothing to stop these properties being registered as HMO's and if you annoy the owners too much they could even rent their houses out for a huge profit as a Rehab/Drop In House if the Houses are big enough there is no legislation to stop this as these business's already exist in residential environments throughout town
You then would have problems 7 DAYS A WEEK and not the odd weekend
Be careful nothing to stop these properties being registered as HMO's and if you annoy the owners too much they could even rent their houses out for a huge profit as a Rehab/Drop In House if the Houses are big enough there is no legislation to stop this as these business's already exist in residential environments throughout town You then would have problems 7 DAYS A WEEK and not the odd weekend Positano
  • Score: 9

11:33am Tue 1 Jul 14

BH1 loyal says...

liveinpeace wrote:
I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?
Good, I hope the residents of canford cliffs are struggling to sleep in the property their mothers inheritance brought them.
[quote][p][bold]liveinpeace[/bold] wrote: I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?[/p][/quote]Good, I hope the residents of canford cliffs are struggling to sleep in the property their mothers inheritance brought them. BH1 loyal
  • Score: -4

11:37am Tue 1 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

dorsetgills wrote:
A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.
What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight
[quote][p][bold]dorsetgills[/bold] wrote: A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.[/p][/quote]What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight Gingertree
  • Score: 19

11:46am Tue 1 Jul 14

dorsetgills says...

Gingertree wrote:
dorsetgills wrote:
A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.
What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight
So your saying there actions are only in the pub don't be so fickle! Last year I was on a stag do in the hostel next door was a group of older guys (50+) both days they had the police out to them yet the group of us 22 blokes from the age of 18 to 33 over 4 nights had nothing
[quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetgills[/bold] wrote: A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.[/p][/quote]What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight[/p][/quote]So your saying there actions are only in the pub don't be so fickle! Last year I was on a stag do in the hostel next door was a group of older guys (50+) both days they had the police out to them yet the group of us 22 blokes from the age of 18 to 33 over 4 nights had nothing dorsetgills
  • Score: 6

11:53am Tue 1 Jul 14

Gingertree says...

dorsetgills wrote:
Gingertree wrote:
dorsetgills wrote:
A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.
What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight
So your saying there actions are only in the pub don't be so fickle! Last year I was on a stag do in the hostel next door was a group of older guys (50+) both days they had the police out to them yet the group of us 22 blokes from the age of 18 to 33 over 4 nights had nothing
A) I didn't mention any particular age group and B) If you read this and any previous articles on this story you would know noise,urinating and vomiting in the street are the root of the problem
[quote][p][bold]dorsetgills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetgills[/bold] wrote: A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.[/p][/quote]What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight[/p][/quote]So your saying there actions are only in the pub don't be so fickle! Last year I was on a stag do in the hostel next door was a group of older guys (50+) both days they had the police out to them yet the group of us 22 blokes from the age of 18 to 33 over 4 nights had nothing[/p][/quote]A) I didn't mention any particular age group and B) If you read this and any previous articles on this story you would know noise,urinating and vomiting in the street are the root of the problem Gingertree
  • Score: 7

12:25pm Tue 1 Jul 14

In Absentia says...

The Echo has run this story a couple of times before. Anyone else picked up on the irony of a Conservative heartland making a fuss about free enterprise in it's midst?
The Echo has run this story a couple of times before. Anyone else picked up on the irony of a Conservative heartland making a fuss about free enterprise in it's midst? In Absentia
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this. If it is not worth their while it will soon stop, obviously. It would be certainly worth pressing the council on this point.
Good luck with that one.
Council Environmental Departments are absolutely useless at controlling noise from neighbors, they don't want to meet the expense of going to court so the simple answer is to advise any person affected by noise to take their own legal action through the Magistrates court quoting section 99 of the environmental protection act.
Environmental planning departments should be disbanded and save thousands per year.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this. If it is not worth their while it will soon stop, obviously. It would be certainly worth pressing the council on this point.[/p][/quote]Good luck with that one. Council Environmental Departments are absolutely useless at controlling noise from neighbors, they don't want to meet the expense of going to court so the simple answer is to advise any person affected by noise to take their own legal action through the Magistrates court quoting section 99 of the environmental protection act. Environmental planning departments should be disbanded and save thousands per year. Hessenford
  • Score: 7

1:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Who lives in these houses during the week ?

Empty ?
Who lives in these houses during the week ? Empty ? Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 0

1:17pm Tue 1 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Next on the list would be antisocial student accommodation. Except the town seems to bend over backwards to let them run riot, even destroying Horseshoe Common to help them avoid getting run over when they pile out of the clubs, piddled as puddings!
Next on the list would be antisocial student accommodation. Except the town seems to bend over backwards to let them run riot, even destroying Horseshoe Common to help them avoid getting run over when they pile out of the clubs, piddled as puddings! speedy231278
  • Score: 5

1:20pm Tue 1 Jul 14

dorsetgills says...

Gingertree wrote:
dorsetgills wrote:
Gingertree wrote:
dorsetgills wrote:
A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.
What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight
So your saying there actions are only in the pub don't be so fickle! Last year I was on a stag do in the hostel next door was a group of older guys (50+) both days they had the police out to them yet the group of us 22 blokes from the age of 18 to 33 over 4 nights had nothing
A) I didn't mention any particular age group and B) If you read this and any previous articles on this story you would know noise,urinating and vomiting in the street are the root of the problem
Which happens in any street with a pub in. So should pubs be treated the same?
NOPE

It's just the way of life if you don't like it move to the country
[quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetgills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gingertree[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dorsetgills[/bold] wrote: A two faced group? Why I hear you ask I bet they've been on stag or hen party's bring anti social behaviour where ever they've been to one. People in glass house shouldn't throw stones just look how much money it brings to the town.[/p][/quote]What an utterly ridiculous statement iv been to a bonfire that doesnt mean i want to watch my neighbours house burn to the ground. A stag or hen party being a bit rowdy in a pub isnt the same as having to listen to the noise whilst dodging the piles of vomit on the pavement for 3 days straight[/p][/quote]So your saying there actions are only in the pub don't be so fickle! Last year I was on a stag do in the hostel next door was a group of older guys (50+) both days they had the police out to them yet the group of us 22 blokes from the age of 18 to 33 over 4 nights had nothing[/p][/quote]A) I didn't mention any particular age group and B) If you read this and any previous articles on this story you would know noise,urinating and vomiting in the street are the root of the problem[/p][/quote]Which happens in any street with a pub in. So should pubs be treated the same? NOPE It's just the way of life if you don't like it move to the country dorsetgills
  • Score: -5

1:32pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong. Baysider
  • Score: 7

1:48pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Charliee says...

Townee wrote:
Some of these people who live in that area should try living in Winton or Charminster when the Uni students have their nightly parties. Then they could complain to no availe like residents of Winton and Charminster who have had to put up with all this for nearly 20 years.
They live in those areas specifically to get away from the likes of residents that live in Winton and Charminster. If they have worked hard enough to be able to buy a beautiful home in a nice area then no they shouldn't be made to put up with it. If you live in Winton or Charminster what else do you expect?! If you don't like it you could always put a few extra hours in at work to enable a better life for yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: Some of these people who live in that area should try living in Winton or Charminster when the Uni students have their nightly parties. Then they could complain to no availe like residents of Winton and Charminster who have had to put up with all this for nearly 20 years.[/p][/quote]They live in those areas specifically to get away from the likes of residents that live in Winton and Charminster. If they have worked hard enough to be able to buy a beautiful home in a nice area then no they shouldn't be made to put up with it. If you live in Winton or Charminster what else do you expect?! If you don't like it you could always put a few extra hours in at work to enable a better life for yourself? Charliee
  • Score: -1

1:49pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot. Hessenford
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Tue 1 Jul 14

chris100 says...

Lets partyyyyyyyyyyy
Lets partyyyyyyyyyyy chris100
  • Score: -12

2:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from? Baysider
  • Score: -4

2:11pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

Baysider wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
Don't really give a monkey's if an insignificant burke such as yourself is interested in my usual council bashing as you put it, if councils did their job correctly and didn't waste our hard earned money then they wouldn't get bashed, it really shows how out of touch some people are when a UKIP member doesn't have a clue how councils work.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?[/p][/quote]Don't really give a monkey's if an insignificant burke such as yourself is interested in my usual council bashing as you put it, if councils did their job correctly and didn't waste our hard earned money then they wouldn't get bashed, it really shows how out of touch some people are when a UKIP member doesn't have a clue how councils work. Hessenford
  • Score: -5

2:13pm Tue 1 Jul 14

PokesdownMark says...

In these situations there is only one question to ask. What would the French do?!
In these situations there is only one question to ask. What would the French do?! PokesdownMark
  • Score: 4

2:35pm Tue 1 Jul 14

warehamguy says...

Oh lighten up!

As long as no laws are broken, leave them be. Try living in a busy city centre!
Oh lighten up! As long as no laws are broken, leave them be. Try living in a busy city centre! warehamguy
  • Score: -13

4:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Charliee wrote:
Townee wrote:
Some of these people who live in that area should try living in Winton or Charminster when the Uni students have their nightly parties. Then they could complain to no availe like residents of Winton and Charminster who have had to put up with all this for nearly 20 years.
They live in those areas specifically to get away from the likes of residents that live in Winton and Charminster. If they have worked hard enough to be able to buy a beautiful home in a nice area then no they shouldn't be made to put up with it. If you live in Winton or Charminster what else do you expect?! If you don't like it you could always put a few extra hours in at work to enable a better life for yourself?
That's just too fair and simple for most on here.
[quote][p][bold]Charliee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: Some of these people who live in that area should try living in Winton or Charminster when the Uni students have their nightly parties. Then they could complain to no availe like residents of Winton and Charminster who have had to put up with all this for nearly 20 years.[/p][/quote]They live in those areas specifically to get away from the likes of residents that live in Winton and Charminster. If they have worked hard enough to be able to buy a beautiful home in a nice area then no they shouldn't be made to put up with it. If you live in Winton or Charminster what else do you expect?! If you don't like it you could always put a few extra hours in at work to enable a better life for yourself?[/p][/quote]That's just too fair and simple for most on here. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 5

5:03pm Tue 1 Jul 14

S,Bowes says...

S,Bowes wrote:
A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .
Just highlighting my point .where are those that have been voted in,appointed .or taken the job that enforces .the rules/law that Are put in place to ensure a reasonable quality of life ,for residents that their pay taxes .I would image this particular situation would be a good exercise in restoring some sort of order .then armed with the experience move on and sort out the real trouble spots .Sorry If I have scuppered the argument that had hijacked this piece
[quote][p][bold]S,Bowes[/bold] wrote: A comment from the police,the council,environment agency .there must be enough legislation and law already in place to address thee issues .so why are people expected to tolerate these idiots .[/p][/quote]Just highlighting my point .where are those that have been voted in,appointed .or taken the job that enforces .the rules/law that Are put in place to ensure a reasonable quality of life ,for residents that their pay taxes .I would image this particular situation would be a good exercise in restoring some sort of order .then armed with the experience move on and sort out the real trouble spots .Sorry If I have scuppered the argument that had hijacked this piece S,Bowes
  • Score: -2

6:01pm Tue 1 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

BH1 loyal wrote:
liveinpeace wrote:
I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?
Good, I hope the residents of canford cliffs are struggling to sleep in the property their mothers inheritance brought them.
Someone's a little bitter, life not gone the way you were expecting Boscombe Loyal?
[quote][p][bold]BH1 loyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liveinpeace[/bold] wrote: I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?[/p][/quote]Good, I hope the residents of canford cliffs are struggling to sleep in the property their mothers inheritance brought them.[/p][/quote]Someone's a little bitter, life not gone the way you were expecting Boscombe Loyal? boardsandphotos
  • Score: -1

6:03pm Tue 1 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

warehamguy wrote:
Oh lighten up!

As long as no laws are broken, leave them be. Try living in a busy city centre!
'Busy
[quote][p][bold]warehamguy[/bold] wrote: Oh lighten up! As long as no laws are broken, leave them be. Try living in a busy city centre![/p][/quote]'Busy boardsandphotos
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

boardsandphotos wrote:
warehamguy wrote:
Oh lighten up!

As long as no laws are broken, leave them be. Try living in a busy city centre!
'Busy
'Busy City Centre' says Warehan Guy. :) Sorry that made me chuckle....
[quote][p][bold]boardsandphotos[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warehamguy[/bold] wrote: Oh lighten up! As long as no laws are broken, leave them be. Try living in a busy city centre![/p][/quote]'Busy[/p][/quote]'Busy City Centre' says Warehan Guy. :) Sorry that made me chuckle.... boardsandphotos
  • Score: 0

8:31pm Tue 1 Jul 14

ashleycross says...

Get a lawyer in Southampton.
Get the Land Registry search showing who owns the property (£3)
Sue for damages in nuisance in the county court.
Attach the judgement debt to the property.
Apply for an order for sale.
Now then, that wasn't too difficult was it?
Get a lawyer in Southampton. Get the Land Registry search showing who owns the property (£3) Sue for damages in nuisance in the county court. Attach the judgement debt to the property. Apply for an order for sale. Now then, that wasn't too difficult was it? ashleycross
  • Score: 4

9:31pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Baysider wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?[/p][/quote]Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then... Baysider
  • Score: 5

10:57pm Tue 1 Jul 14

carrrob says...

BH1 loyal wrote:
liveinpeace wrote:
I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?
Good, I hope the residents of canford cliffs are struggling to sleep in the property their mothers inheritance brought them.
Tw-t my house wasnt inherited !
[quote][p][bold]BH1 loyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]liveinpeace[/bold] wrote: I recently witnessed one of the owners of those houses drunkenly braying to the world about the money her party house has earned her in the last 3 years and how the neighbours 'hate it' but how she doesn't care, as she doesn't live there! Come on Poole Council - how much more proof do you need of 'change of use' and 'running a business' from a residential property?[/p][/quote]Good, I hope the residents of canford cliffs are struggling to sleep in the property their mothers inheritance brought them.[/p][/quote]Tw-t my house wasnt inherited ! carrrob
  • Score: 1

12:11am Wed 2 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...
No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member?

PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?[/p][/quote]Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...[/p][/quote]No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member? PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation! Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 2

7:31am Wed 2 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...
No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member?

PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation!
Well I wish you a speedy recovery then. And I take plenty of people to task, UKIP or not so stop being so precious.

To the topic in hand, you said, "If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this" and I asked, politely, where you thought the authority for this came from? Your statement implying the council had it within their remit to fine landlords but had chosen not to. You have still not answered my query, just expanded on your original statement.
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?[/p][/quote]Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...[/p][/quote]No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member? PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation![/p][/quote]Well I wish you a speedy recovery then. And I take plenty of people to task, UKIP or not so stop being so precious. To the topic in hand, you said, "If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this" and I asked, politely, where you thought the authority for this came from? Your statement implying the council had it within their remit to fine landlords but had chosen not to. You have still not answered my query, just expanded on your original statement. Baysider
  • Score: -2

10:19am Wed 2 Jul 14

The Liberal says...

If the legal route doesn't work, I'm sure the residents could think of a few ways to interfere with the smooth running of these party houses.
If the legal route doesn't work, I'm sure the residents could think of a few ways to interfere with the smooth running of these party houses. The Liberal
  • Score: 4

11:31am Wed 2 Jul 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...
No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member?

PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation!
Well I wish you a speedy recovery then. And I take plenty of people to task, UKIP or not so stop being so precious.

To the topic in hand, you said, "If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this" and I asked, politely, where you thought the authority for this came from? Your statement implying the council had it within their remit to fine landlords but had chosen not to. You have still not answered my query, just expanded on your original statement.
Thank you for thinking I am precious that is really so sweet or did you mean to put another word but couldn't quite think of it or spell it?

For night time noise emitted from buildings where people live (including gardens), plus pubs, clubs and loudspeaker noise, Environmental Health Officers have additional powers. They can investigate, serve a warning notice, impose fines, confiscate noisy equipment or prosecute offenders.

If they do this to a commercial business the fines are much greater and would undoubtedly make it not worth their while to have party houses.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?[/p][/quote]Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...[/p][/quote]No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member? PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation![/p][/quote]Well I wish you a speedy recovery then. And I take plenty of people to task, UKIP or not so stop being so precious. To the topic in hand, you said, "If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this" and I asked, politely, where you thought the authority for this came from? Your statement implying the council had it within their remit to fine landlords but had chosen not to. You have still not answered my query, just expanded on your original statement.[/p][/quote]Thank you for thinking I am precious that is really so sweet or did you mean to put another word but couldn't quite think of it or spell it? For night time noise emitted from buildings where people live (including gardens), plus pubs, clubs and loudspeaker noise, Environmental Health Officers have additional powers. They can investigate, serve a warning notice, impose fines, confiscate noisy equipment or prosecute offenders. If they do this to a commercial business the fines are much greater and would undoubtedly make it not worth their while to have party houses. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 0

2:26pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Baysider says...

Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Marty Caine UKIP wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Baysider wrote:
Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.
Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise.
Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem.
At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem.
As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?
Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...
No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member?

PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation!
Well I wish you a speedy recovery then. And I take plenty of people to task, UKIP or not so stop being so precious.

To the topic in hand, you said, "If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this" and I asked, politely, where you thought the authority for this came from? Your statement implying the council had it within their remit to fine landlords but had chosen not to. You have still not answered my query, just expanded on your original statement.
Thank you for thinking I am precious that is really so sweet or did you mean to put another word but couldn't quite think of it or spell it?

For night time noise emitted from buildings where people live (including gardens), plus pubs, clubs and loudspeaker noise, Environmental Health Officers have additional powers. They can investigate, serve a warning notice, impose fines, confiscate noisy equipment or prosecute offenders.

If they do this to a commercial business the fines are much greater and would undoubtedly make it not worth their while to have party houses.
And again you have claimed the council can impose fines for breaching noise nuisance notices. I'll ask you again, where does this power come from as from the little I know about the subject only the courts have the power to impose a fine?
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Marty Caine UKIP[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: Where's that set out then please Marty? I'm not aware of any legislation that allows councils to impose a fine or levy on rented properties but happy to admit I could be wrong.[/p][/quote]Councils cant impose fines for noise nuisance, they can issue an abatement notice if a statuary noise nuisance is proved, proving a statuary noise nuisance is virtually impossible as there is no set noise limit for statuary noise. Only the court can impose fines for ignoring an abatement notice the problem is that council normally back down when it gets to this stage because of cost, so really going to the council only prolongs the complainants noise problem. At this stage the council normally advises you to take legal action yourself and they wash their hands of your problem. As I said earlier, get shot of the environmental planning office and save a fortune as they are about as much use as a chocolate teapot.[/p][/quote]I'm well aware of how our judicial system works thanks and not really interested in your usual anti-council theories and opinions. I was asking Marty Caine where he gets the idea that councils can impose fines on rented properties from?[/p][/quote]Guess it was another one of Marty's made up 'facts' then...[/p][/quote]No it wasn't a made up fact, the noise regulations for commercial & industrial premises differ from that of a private home and the fines on a commercial property can be up to £20,000. As these party houses are being run on a commercial basis, then they should be treated as commercial properties. I am merely pointing this out in an attempt to help those suffering from this problem, do you have any suggestions that may help them or do you only post here to take a pop at me for being a UKIP member? PS sorry if my response was not quick enough but I have been in Hospital all day having an operation![/p][/quote]Well I wish you a speedy recovery then. And I take plenty of people to task, UKIP or not so stop being so precious. To the topic in hand, you said, "If these premises are being let on a commercial basis then I believe the council can in fact impose fines on those profiteering from this" and I asked, politely, where you thought the authority for this came from? Your statement implying the council had it within their remit to fine landlords but had chosen not to. You have still not answered my query, just expanded on your original statement.[/p][/quote]Thank you for thinking I am precious that is really so sweet or did you mean to put another word but couldn't quite think of it or spell it? For night time noise emitted from buildings where people live (including gardens), plus pubs, clubs and loudspeaker noise, Environmental Health Officers have additional powers. They can investigate, serve a warning notice, impose fines, confiscate noisy equipment or prosecute offenders. If they do this to a commercial business the fines are much greater and would undoubtedly make it not worth their while to have party houses.[/p][/quote]And again you have claimed the council can impose fines for breaching noise nuisance notices. I'll ask you again, where does this power come from as from the little I know about the subject only the courts have the power to impose a fine? Baysider
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8:41pm Wed 2 Jul 14

Hobad1 says...

this happens everywhere. Just because its canford cliffs it makes the news. If they don't like it.....move.
this happens everywhere. Just because its canford cliffs it makes the news. If they don't like it.....move. Hobad1
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9:22pm Wed 2 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Hobad1 wrote:
this happens everywhere. Just because its canford cliffs it makes the news. If they don't like it.....move.
Didn't/hadn't happen where I have lived in the last 5 properties; so would question 'happens everywhere' as i have spread my nuts wide over the last 15 years and not been a victim.
[quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote: this happens everywhere. Just because its canford cliffs it makes the news. If they don't like it.....move.[/p][/quote]Didn't/hadn't happen where I have lived in the last 5 properties; so would question 'happens everywhere' as i have spread my nuts wide over the last 15 years and not been a victim. scrumpyjack
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11:20pm Wed 2 Jul 14

boardsandphotos says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
Hobad1 wrote:
this happens everywhere. Just because its canford cliffs it makes the news. If they don't like it.....move.
Didn't/hadn't happen where I have lived in the last 5 properties; so would question 'happens everywhere' as i have spread my nuts wide over the last 15 years and not been a victim.
Ha! ....and if it DOES happen everywhere like hobad states, where do they move to exactly?
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote: this happens everywhere. Just because its canford cliffs it makes the news. If they don't like it.....move.[/p][/quote]Didn't/hadn't happen where I have lived in the last 5 properties; so would question 'happens everywhere' as i have spread my nuts wide over the last 15 years and not been a victim.[/p][/quote]Ha! ....and if it DOES happen everywhere like hobad states, where do they move to exactly? boardsandphotos
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