LiveLIVE: Meeting for Poole residents to give views on Navitus Bay wind farm proposals

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Summary

  • A maximum of nine representatives from each side will be given five minutes each to give their views
  • The special meeting of the committee is being held in the Civic Centre to hear residents opinions on the environmental statement
  • Committee members will decide whether to recommendation to full council

5:09pm

The meeting has ended and the environmental statement has been sent for recommendation to full council  tomorrow evening. 

4:53pm

The councillors are continuing to debate the environment statement, with assistance of council officers, before recommending that it is put before full council tomorrow evening at 6pm. 

4:24pm

Cllr Anne Stribley says that there are a lot of windfarms around and they are not 'visually lovely' but are they necessary for the future? 

She says that our children and grandchildren will be living in a different world to the one that we have grown up in. 

4:19pm

Everyone has now returned to their seats. 

4:13pm

The meeting will then be summed up and a decision will be made by councillors from Borough of Poole on whether the detail report adequately addresses residents' concerns and whether a recommendation should be made to full council tomorrow. 

4:09pm

We have now stopped for a five minute break before the meeting is opened up to debate and questions from members of the public. 

4:07pm

Councillors from Borough of Poole are currently putting forward their questions and checking clarifications about the environmental statement.

 

 

3:44pm

Cllr Brian Clements, chair of the economy overview and scrutiny committee, is asked by several members of the public if they can now put forward their views. He tells them that the moment, he is treating this as a standard committee meeting, but there will be time for questions a bit later. 

3:41pm

At this rate, he says, renewable energy is much cheaper to harness than the cost of fossil fuels. 

Says that wind farming has become an increasingly popular source of energy in foreign countries.

Finishes by asking what sort of legacy we should be leaving for our children and their future.

 

3:37pm

James Wise from Eco Borne is the last contributor on residents views at this committee meeting. 

Says that although society is becoming more environmentally aware, people are still taking their energy supply for granted. 

3:36pm

He says that the opponents of the wind farm have failed to offer an alternative. 

3:33pm

Ian Stannage is here to support the Navitus Bay wind farm. He saysthat  research shows that 85-per-cent of residents agree that sources of  renewable energy should be found. He goes on to say that this is clearly a good example of that. 

 

 

3:30pm

He says that we owe our kids an economic strategy which works. 

Poole and Bournemouth are and will always be beautiful. 

3:29pm

Russell Sartine from Eco Borne says that in this day and age, we can capture the wind and use it for energy. Describes the wind as a clean source of renewable energy, which is free and so, once built, the wind farm's running costs would be virtually zero. 

3:26pm

Says that the wind turbines may marginally change the view, but we must all take responsibility for our planet.

She says that she hopes residents and the council will make the right decision and support the Navitus Bay wind farm. 

3:25pm

Alice Rogers from Dorset Acupuncture Centre says that she is here to speak on behalf of her clients. 

Goes on to say that she thinks it would be a lost opportunity to set an example and invest in renewable energy. 

3:22pm

He says that he is sorry to hear that NBDL have had to reduce the number of turbines and place them further out to sea, just because of pressure from the council.

He says that the tourism industry opposes the sound of the turbines, when they play host to the air festival, and the noisy aircraft who fly during it, for three days every year. 

3:19pm

Jeff Williams, resident of Upper Parkstone, says that he finds it staggering that people would argue against the turbines, by saying that they would ruin the view, when the turbines are based several miles out to see. 

 

3:11pm

Mr Hedgeman, from Brownsea Island Ferries Ltd, says that he employs around 14 - 20 people, who would lose their jobs if the Navitus Bay wind farm proposals go ahead. 

3:09pm

He says that a lot of people hate the very idea of windfarms, but once they are built, even the toughest critic of Navitus Bay will become accepting of them. 

3:07pm

Says that the blades would be almost invisible even to someone with perfect 20:20 vision 

He says that for well over 60% of the time, the turbines themselves would be completely invisible to the naked eye. 

 

 

3:05pm

Martin Rodger is here to discuss how clearly residents could see the turbines from Poole.

Says that height is irrelevant when considering how easily the turbines could be seen. 

3:03pm

Tony Hamilton, from Agenda 21, says that the information campaign to the public so far has led residents to think of the wind farm as noisy and 'an industrial complex'.

However he says that the turbines can be described as quite beautiful, graceful structures, which move slowly in the wind. 

2:59pm

Says that these developers will be paid three times as much for their electricity, compared to supply from a standard gas power station. 

He asks: ' At a time of energy inflation, why pay out these massive sums?' 

2:56pm

Says that the project will have a significant impact on the natural setti of the World Heritage Centre. 

2:55pm

Terry Stewart, Chair of the Campaign to Protect Rural England, now speaking.

2:54pm

Says that the scheme will result in a consiserable loss of visitors and those who do come to the area will not return. 

2:52pm

He starts by saying that the meeting should have been held at 6pm, not 2pm, as many people cannot attend in the mid-afternoon. Other residents applaud him. 

2:51pm

Now hearing from John Sprackling, Chair of Branksome Park, Canford Cliffs and DistrictResidents Association. 

2:49pm

Goes on to say that his project is being done to us, but we have the opportunity to stop it in it's tracks. 

Asks how the council can let this happen. 

2:48pm

He has run out of his five minutes of time. 

Committee agrees he can have 30 seconds extra. 

2:47pm

Says that the Navitus Bay will have up to 600 rotating blades, with a tip speed of 200mph, which could hit flying birds. 

2:45pm

He says that wind turbines would  adversely affect the views from the Jurrassic Coast 

 

2:43pm

Roy Pointer from Poole and Christchurch Bay Association:

Navitus Bay is too big, too close and in the wrong location. Describes the turbines as 'monsters'.

 

 

2:41pm

Says that they believe that the costs and benefits of proceeding with the proposal, could outweigh the cost of not proceeding with the proposal.  

2:39pm

Dr Martin Price is now representing the East Dorset Friends of the Earth. 

He said that failing to develop the wind farm could have more harmful effects on coastal erosion and wildlife than would constructing it.

This post was amended on June 3, 2014.

2:36pm

He says that Bournemouth's Director of Tourism says that there will be a 32% drop in visitor numbers in the 4-5years of construction needed for the wind farm. 

2:34pm

A tiny decline in tourism would completely negate any gain from the wind farm and tourism is only a fraction of the total economic picture. 

 

 

2:33pm

A key aspect of our local economy is a huge tourism and leisure sector that derives it's wealth from our beautiful surroundings. 

 

 

2:32pm

Mr Finch says: The question is not about whether we should have wind farms, but where they should be built. 

 

There will be 194 or so wind turbines, each 200metres high, 1.5 times as high as the Isle of Wight. 

2:30pm

His friend, David Darling, will be speaking on his behalf due to Mr Finch having tonsillitis, he says. 

2:29pm

We are now due to hear from Brian Finch, Friends of Harbour Reach 

2:25pm

Mr Dring says that that an expert looking at the proposal should look at an assessment of the overall carbon saving of the project 

2:24pm

Another focus is on theissue of tourism and the mitigation by NBDL is the potential of a visitor centre, amongst other things. 

2:21pm

He goes on to say that the council would like to see more vendors to the economy and an increase of jobs if the proposal goes ahead.

2:20pm

Steve Dring, council officer, says that have reduced the number the number of wind turbines, which should help to reduce the number of bird collisions. He also says that a flashing light will be placed on each turbine to make them easier for marine traffic and birds to see at night. 

2:18pm

We are now hearing a council officer:

'In terms of the process, we commented on the environmental statement back in September. 

'What we have done as officers is concentrated on the environmental statement. 

'NBDL have reduced the number of wind turbines from 218 to 194, and they have also changed the colour to grey.' 

2:12pm

Stephen Thorne, Head of Planning and Regeneration Services, says that the purpose of this meeting is that members of the council wish to address to the examination report on the Navitus Bay wind farm that requires amendment, deletion or assertion. 

2:09pm

The planning proposal by Navitus Bay plc was approved on May 8. 

 

2:03pm

Cllr Brian Clements, chair of the committee says that the purposes of the meeting is, amongst other things, to allow for residents to ask questions and present heir views 

2:01pm

Good afternoon from the Civic Centre 

There are around 50 people in the public seating.

 

1:42pm

The meeting at the Civic Centre in Poole is due to start at 2pm.

Reporter Caitlin Marsh will be providing live updates from the meeting.

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3:38pm Mon 2 Jun 14

BmthNewshound says...

Strange time to have a public meeting. Obviously only interested in the views of the towns retired population.
Strange time to have a public meeting. Obviously only interested in the views of the towns retired population. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 9

4:35pm Mon 2 Jun 14

poolebabe says...

As with anything, there are pros and cons. We desperately need to find cleaner sources of energy, but so many people object no matter what is proposed. I really love wildlife and I'm a bird watcher. Do we actually know for fact that this will have a big impact on wildlife? Or is it just speculative? Clean energy is what we need. We can't keep relying on fossil fuel, and that is damaging to the environment as we know. I've stayed in places up country with wind farms and they are fine, not noisy at all and quite hypnotic to watch. The impact on wildlife seems to me personally, to be the main issue realistically, but we can't know the impact on that can we??? Other wind farms exist though with presumably no problems???
As with anything, there are pros and cons. We desperately need to find cleaner sources of energy, but so many people object no matter what is proposed. I really love wildlife and I'm a bird watcher. Do we actually know for fact that this will have a big impact on wildlife? Or is it just speculative? Clean energy is what we need. We can't keep relying on fossil fuel, and that is damaging to the environment as we know. I've stayed in places up country with wind farms and they are fine, not noisy at all and quite hypnotic to watch. The impact on wildlife seems to me personally, to be the main issue realistically, but we can't know the impact on that can we??? Other wind farms exist though with presumably no problems??? poolebabe
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Flusters says...

Surely the government won't allow this wind farm in the light of UNESCO's. marine biologist's and ecologist's disapproval to say nothing of local sailors and the the probable decline of local tourist trade.

'NBDL have reduced the number of wind turbines from 218 to 194, and they have also changed the colour to grey.'

What on earth difference do they think this will make?

Why are France and Holland investing in this wind farm? Lines are being constructed to link our National Grid with The Netherlands and France, so this energy could end up there.

At a time when EEC membership is in question is it wise to give The French and Dutch power over such a strategic piece of coastline and arguably ruin a world heritage site?
Surely the government won't allow this wind farm in the light of UNESCO's. marine biologist's and ecologist's disapproval to say nothing of local sailors and the the probable decline of local tourist trade. 'NBDL have reduced the number of wind turbines from 218 to 194, and they have also changed the colour to grey.' What on earth difference do they think this will make? Why are France and Holland investing in this wind farm? Lines are being constructed to link our National Grid with The Netherlands and France, so this energy could end up there. At a time when EEC membership is in question is it wise to give The French and Dutch power over such a strategic piece of coastline and arguably ruin a world heritage site? Flusters
  • Score: 4

4:56pm Mon 2 Jun 14

mooninpisces says...

Some of the comments, as reported, seem more than usually bizarre.

The costs and benefits of proceeding with the proposal could outweigh the cost of not proceeding with the proposal?? (2.41pm)

All the employees of Brownsea Island Ferries would lose their jobs if the wind farm goes ahead???(3.11pm)
Some of the comments, as reported, seem more than usually bizarre. The costs and benefits of proceeding with the proposal could outweigh the cost of not proceeding with the proposal?? (2.41pm) All the employees of Brownsea Island Ferries would lose their jobs if the wind farm goes ahead???(3.11pm) mooninpisces
  • Score: 2

5:02pm Mon 2 Jun 14

john harman says...

Why are there no alternative options to the wind farm being submitted?
Scotland has binned wind farms for Underwater turbines 100% more efficient, cannot be seen, 8knt tidal flow equivalent to 240knt wind

Germany uses Bio mass plants that burn waste (double win) and only produce steam, and Dorset is exporting waste wood and other waste to power the German Bio mass plants, that are highly efficient and unobtrusive

Just Two options that are out there and being used to great effect.
John H
Why are there no alternative options to the wind farm being submitted? Scotland has binned wind farms for Underwater turbines 100% more efficient, cannot be seen, 8knt tidal flow equivalent to 240knt wind Germany uses Bio mass plants that burn waste (double win) and only produce steam, and Dorset is exporting waste wood and other waste to power the German Bio mass plants, that are highly efficient and unobtrusive Just Two options that are out there and being used to great effect. John H john harman
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Mon 2 Jun 14

saynomore says...

"Mr Hedgeman, from Brownsea Island Ferries Ltd, says that he employs around 14 - 20 people, who would lose their jobs if the Navitus Bay wind farm proposals go ahead."

WHAT!!!!! When did the Brownsea ferries go that far out?? Usual crock of spit from the anti farm bunch,for goodness sake base your objections on fact for once.
"Mr Hedgeman, from Brownsea Island Ferries Ltd, says that he employs around 14 - 20 people, who would lose their jobs if the Navitus Bay wind farm proposals go ahead." WHAT!!!!! When did the Brownsea ferries go that far out?? Usual crock of spit from the anti farm bunch,for goodness sake base your objections on fact for once. saynomore
  • Score: 5

5:29pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Townee says...

Just build them and have other types as well we need clean energy from any source.
Just build them and have other types as well we need clean energy from any source. Townee
  • Score: 2

6:09pm Mon 2 Jun 14

twynham says...

Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me.
(a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government?
(b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years?
(c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span?
(d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British?
Thank you.
Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me. (a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government? (b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years? (c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span? (d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British? Thank you. twynham
  • Score: 1

6:12pm Mon 2 Jun 14

twynham says...

Sooorry, obviously should be Navitus Bay.
Another senior moment.
Sooorry, obviously should be Navitus Bay. Another senior moment. twynham
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lionheart says...

What happened with the slot promised by Cllr Clements at 3.44 that members of the public could put forward their questions after the adjournment break. Nothing is reported above. Did it happen?
What happened with the slot promised by Cllr Clements at 3.44 that members of the public could put forward their questions after the adjournment break. Nothing is reported above. Did it happen? lionheart
  • Score: -1

7:44pm Mon 2 Jun 14

lionheart says...

twynham wrote:
Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me.
(a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government?
(b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years?
(c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span?
(d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British?
Thank you.
It's a Dutch & French consortium.
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me. (a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government? (b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years? (c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span? (d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British? Thank you.[/p][/quote]It's a Dutch & French consortium. lionheart
  • Score: 1

9:05pm Mon 2 Jun 14

twynham says...

lionheart wrote:
twynham wrote:
Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me.
(a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government?
(b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years?
(c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span?
(d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British?
Thank you.
It's a Dutch & French consortium.
Thanks, it's been a long day!
[quote][p][bold]lionheart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me. (a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government? (b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years? (c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span? (d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British? Thank you.[/p][/quote]It's a Dutch & French consortium.[/p][/quote]Thanks, it's been a long day! twynham
  • Score: 1

10:11pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Flusters says...

Anyone who does not want this wind farm should register before the end of June in order to stop the project. Challenge Navitus website has the details.
Anyone who does not want this wind farm should register before the end of June in order to stop the project. Challenge Navitus website has the details. Flusters
  • Score: -2

10:15pm Mon 2 Jun 14

yet_another_one says...

lionheart wrote:
twynham wrote:
Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me.
(a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government?
(b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years?
(c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span?
(d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British?
Thank you.
It's a Dutch & French consortium.
Britain should invest - WHY do we rely on others so often to dig deep when we all will benefit.
[quote][p][bold]lionheart[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: Can anyone who supports Nautilus Bay (including developers) tell me. (a) Would this scheme go ahead if it were not substantially subsidised by the UK Government? (b) The developers estimate of its life span is 25 years but previous wind turbines at sea have lasted around 15 years, should it be up to 25 years? (c) Are the developers making an up front payment to cover demolition and removal should their companies mysteriously disappear at the end of its life span? (d) Why do Danish & French companies profit from the development and not British? Thank you.[/p][/quote]It's a Dutch & French consortium.[/p][/quote]Britain should invest - WHY do we rely on others so often to dig deep when we all will benefit. yet_another_one
  • Score: 2

10:29pm Mon 2 Jun 14

Alice Rogers says...

I'd just like to put the record straight.

I did not say I was speaking on behalf of anyone else. I spoke on my own behalf as a someone operating a small business in Poole.

My business values reflect my own values, which centre around justice, community and responsibility.

I said it would be a lost opportunity if Poole did not support the wind farm development. To support it would set a positive example.
I'd just like to put the record straight. I did not say I was speaking on behalf of anyone else. I spoke on my own behalf as a someone operating a small business in Poole. My business values reflect my own values, which centre around justice, community and responsibility. I said it would be a lost opportunity if Poole did not support the wind farm development. To support it would set a positive example. Alice Rogers
  • Score: 0

6:51am Tue 3 Jun 14

BIGTONE says...

I guess the turbines height will have a major influence on future air displays at the summer air show,especially the Red Arrows.
I guess the turbines height will have a major influence on future air displays at the summer air show,especially the Red Arrows. BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

8:08am Tue 3 Jun 14

save energy says...

Greater Gabard in the north sea off essex at 509 MW is about the same size as Navitus.
Presently generating 1.2% of capacity = 6.2 MW
better than yesterday when it was TAKING 15.3 MW from the grid !!!
see live data -
Wind farms- http://www.rwe.com/w
eb/cms/en/206488/rwe
-innogy/sites/produc
tion-data-live/rwe-r
enewable-energy-live
/

& Grid -
http://www.gridwatch
.templar.co.uk/

We have 5,500 large tubines + aprox 20,000 small curently supplying just 1.6% of demand
but costing us £18 billion/yr in subsity's
Economic madness !!
Greater Gabard in the north sea off essex at 509 MW is about the same size as Navitus. Presently generating 1.2% of capacity = 6.2 MW better than yesterday when it was TAKING 15.3 MW from the grid !!! see live data - Wind farms- http://www.rwe.com/w eb/cms/en/206488/rwe -innogy/sites/produc tion-data-live/rwe-r enewable-energy-live / & Grid - http://www.gridwatch .templar.co.uk/ We have 5,500 large tubines + aprox 20,000 small curently supplying just 1.6% of demand but costing us £18 billion/yr in subsity's Economic madness !! save energy
  • Score: 0

8:20am Tue 3 Jun 14

mooninpisces says...

Greater Gabbard (509MW) is "about the same size" as Navitus (970MW)????? (save energy, above)
Greater Gabbard (509MW) is "about the same size" as Navitus (970MW)????? (save energy, above) mooninpisces
  • Score: 0

8:29am Tue 3 Jun 14

save energy says...

Sorry, I should read before posting,
its been a long night, off to bed now.
Sorry, I should read before posting, its been a long night, off to bed now. save energy
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

a.g.o.g. says...

mooninpisces wrote:
Greater Gabbard (509MW) is "about the same size" as Navitus (970MW)????? (save energy, above)
And so , on a like-for-like basis, Navitus would have been drawing 30megaWatts off The Grid to stay alive and not just 15
and which regular situation has been raised many times before !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next!
[quote][p][bold]mooninpisces[/bold] wrote: Greater Gabbard (509MW) is "about the same size" as Navitus (970MW)????? (save energy, above)[/p][/quote]And so , on a like-for-like basis, Navitus would have been drawing 30megaWatts off The Grid to stay alive and not just 15 and which regular situation has been raised many times before !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Next! a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 0

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