UPDATE: European election results see polls boost for UKIP and Greens in South West but Lib Dems lose out

Bournemouth Echo: UPDATE: European election results see gains for UKIP and Greens in South West but Lib Dems lose out UPDATE: European election results see gains for UKIP and Greens in South West but Lib Dems lose out

Nigel Farage's UKIP sent tremors through the political system in the European elections on Sunday night after emerging as the big victor.

The party now has 23 seats in the European Parliament with some results still to come in.

Ukip effectively became the first party, other than Labour or the Conservatives to win a national election in over 100 years.

Mr Farage hailed the result, which saw the Liberal Democrat vote collapse, as historic and said Ukip was now the 'third force' in British politics.

The party looked set to end up with 24 MEPs.

In the South West constituency, which includes Dorset, Ukip polled 484,184 votes with the Conservatives racking up 433,191.

The six SW seats up for grabs in the European were won by Ukip (two), Conservatives (two), Labour and the Green Party.

The Liberal Democrat vote slumped and long serving MEP Sir Graham Watson lost his seat.

Bournemouth Echo:

Sir Graham Watson

One of the Conservative victors, Ashley Fox, said the voters "have sent a message that the relationship with the EU had to change."

The new MEP line-up is Ashley Fox and Julie Girling (Conservatives), William Dartmouth and Julia Reid (UKIP), Claire Moody (Labour), Molly Scott Cato (Green).

Vikki Slade, leading Liberal Democrat councillor in Poole and prospective parliamentary candidate for Mid Dorset said she was "totally gutted" by the result.

"We have to recognise people's concern about Europe and immigration and deal with them. This is long term, not just a protest and we ignore it at our peril."

Leading Poole Lib Dem Cllr Mike Brooke said he did not think Nick Clegg shouls resign but needed "to look at his advisers. I think I am entitled to criticise."

Bournemouth East MP, Tobias Ellwood, said the results showed the British people wanted "a more robust approach" over immigration and Europe.

Sir Graham took to the stage to say it has been 'an honour and a privilege' to serve the South West over two decades.

There were big cheers from Labour and Green activists as both parties secured one seat each at the count in Poole's Civic Centre. The declaration was made at 11.35pm.

Bournemouth Echo:

Julie Girling, Conservative

The night's results will pile further pressure on the established Westminster parties to find ways to win back supporters.

Nick Clegg - who has acknowledged the Liberal Democrats could lose all of their 11 MEPs - is facing MPs' questions over his leadership and calls to quit from activists including general election candidates.

Mr Farage predicted that Mr Clegg would be ousted before next year's general election.

He said: "Nick Clegg's position clearly is very vulnerable indeed. I'd be very surprised if he led the Lib Dems into the next election."

David Cameron has been urged by influential Tory MP David Davis to bring forward his promised EU referendum by a year to 2016 in a bid to persuade defectors to Ukip he is serious.

He blamed Ukip's strong showing on widespread disillusionment with the EU.

European votes were cast on Thursday at the same time as local elections in which Ukip gained 128 seats and made serious inroads into Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat support.

The number of votes cast for each party in the South West was:

An Independence From Europe - 23,169
British National Party - 10,910
Conservative Party - 433,151
English Democrats Party - 15,081
Green Party - 166,447
Labour Party - 206,124
Liberal Democrats - 160,376
United Kingdom Independence Party - 484,184

The six elected Members of the European Parliament are:

1 - William Dartmouth, United Kingdom Independence Party
2 - Ashley Peter Fox, Conservative Party
3 - Julia Reid, United Kingdom Independence Party
4 - Julia McCulloch Girling, Conservative Party
5 - Claire Miranda Moody, Labour Party
6 - Molly Scott Cato, Green Party

The overall turnout for the South West region was 37.03 per cent compared to 38.87 per cent in 2009.

 

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7:30pm Sun 25 May 14

ronfogg says...

Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps. ronfogg
  • Score: -65

8:10pm Sun 25 May 14

cromwell9 says...

ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Dont worry UKIP wont be knocking on your door for a few years yet,
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Dont worry UKIP wont be knocking on your door for a few years yet, cromwell9
  • Score: -26

10:26pm Sun 25 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Come on ukip, hoping you'll clean up the streets of Bournemouth and return it to the English sea side resort it became famous for.
Come on ukip, hoping you'll clean up the streets of Bournemouth and return it to the English sea side resort it became famous for. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 71

10:46pm Sun 25 May 14

SaraPoole says...

Fantastic results for UKIP ! Most votes in Poole, Bournemouth & Christchurch ! Good work !
Fantastic results for UKIP ! Most votes in Poole, Bournemouth & Christchurch ! Good work ! SaraPoole
  • Score: 72

10:48pm Sun 25 May 14

SaraPoole says...

ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Look at the results !
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Look at the results ! SaraPoole
  • Score: 40

10:53pm Sun 25 May 14

D.shoreditch says...

Congratulations UKIP. Despite the huge hate campaign by the left and the lilly livers of the tories, the people are sending a clear message here. Out of the EU , seconded by handing labour one big get lost message it appears. Well done W&P UKIP supporters, it shows the nasty tactics cannot thwart democracy.
Congratulations UKIP. Despite the huge hate campaign by the left and the lilly livers of the tories, the people are sending a clear message here. Out of the EU , seconded by handing labour one big get lost message it appears. Well done W&P UKIP supporters, it shows the nasty tactics cannot thwart democracy. D.shoreditch
  • Score: 62

11:30pm Sun 25 May 14

Schrodinger's Cat says...

Nope. It looks like the people have actually handed Labour a SW seat in the European Parliament rather than a get lost message
Nope. It looks like the people have actually handed Labour a SW seat in the European Parliament rather than a get lost message Schrodinger's Cat
  • Score: -28

11:34pm Sun 25 May 14

Schrodinger's Cat says...

It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.
It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago. Schrodinger's Cat
  • Score: -18

11:35pm Sun 25 May 14

Rocksalt says...

Well, any referendum is a few years away, but on the basis of tonight's early results, one might reasonably assume that a majority would vote in favour of staying in. If people really want to get out of Europe I think it's fair to say they would vote for UKIP. Most haven't.
Well, any referendum is a few years away, but on the basis of tonight's early results, one might reasonably assume that a majority would vote in favour of staying in. If people really want to get out of Europe I think it's fair to say they would vote for UKIP. Most haven't. Rocksalt
  • Score: -6

11:38pm Sun 25 May 14

D.shoreditch says...

Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.
I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.
[quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.[/p][/quote]I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting. D.shoreditch
  • Score: 34

11:41pm Sun 25 May 14

Baysider says...

D.shoreditch wrote:
Congratulations UKIP. Despite the huge hate campaign by the left and the lilly livers of the tories, the people are sending a clear message here. Out of the EU , seconded by handing labour one big get lost message it appears. Well done W&P UKIP supporters, it shows the nasty tactics cannot thwart democracy.
Tosh. UKIP stayed the same, Labour and Greens gained seats from the Tories and Lib Dems.
[quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote: Congratulations UKIP. Despite the huge hate campaign by the left and the lilly livers of the tories, the people are sending a clear message here. Out of the EU , seconded by handing labour one big get lost message it appears. Well done W&P UKIP supporters, it shows the nasty tactics cannot thwart democracy.[/p][/quote]Tosh. UKIP stayed the same, Labour and Greens gained seats from the Tories and Lib Dems. Baysider
  • Score: 0

11:46pm Sun 25 May 14

Evidently Chickentown says...

Well done Labour and Greens.
Well done Labour and Greens. Evidently Chickentown
  • Score: -21

12:29am Mon 26 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote

Dimwits need not apply.
Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote Dimwits need not apply. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 24

4:04am Mon 26 May 14

ednamakepeace says...

It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that. ednamakepeace
  • Score: -18

6:15am Mon 26 May 14

Phixer says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote

Dimwits need not apply.
I've binned your application as you suggest.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote Dimwits need not apply.[/p][/quote]I've binned your application as you suggest. Phixer
  • Score: 17

6:58am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009.

The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009. The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain. ronfogg
  • Score: 4

7:40am Mon 26 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

I'm very excited for them all. Now perhaps can we shut up with the endless drum-banging for Ukip for a little while at least from all the people who regularly bang the drum for Ukip at every opportunity that presents itself, however irrelevant it may be to the subject under discussion? Thank You very much.
I'm very excited for them all. Now perhaps can we shut up with the endless drum-banging for Ukip for a little while at least from all the people who regularly bang the drum for Ukip at every opportunity that presents itself, however irrelevant it may be to the subject under discussion? Thank You very much. arlbergbahn
  • Score: -3

8:13am Mon 26 May 14

JamesYoung says...

ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.
[quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible. JamesYoung
  • Score: 24

8:15am Mon 26 May 14

JamesYoung says...

ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009.

The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.
Personally i doubt it. No credible domestic policies and a host of nut jobs not cleared from the ranks.
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009. The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.[/p][/quote]Personally i doubt it. No credible domestic policies and a host of nut jobs not cleared from the ranks. JamesYoung
  • Score: 6

8:15am Mon 26 May 14

charlie2004 says...

However anyone wants to knock UKIP just take a look at the results. The people have at long last had a chance to voice an opinion on the utter disdain of the so called main parties towards the electorate. Onwards and upwards. Well done UKIP.
However anyone wants to knock UKIP just take a look at the results. The people have at long last had a chance to voice an opinion on the utter disdain of the so called main parties towards the electorate. Onwards and upwards. Well done UKIP. charlie2004
  • Score: 33

8:29am Mon 26 May 14

DarioVerde says...

Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter. DarioVerde
  • Score: 12

8:40am Mon 26 May 14

s-pb2 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009.

The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.
Personally i doubt it. No credible domestic policies and a host of nut jobs not cleared from the ranks.
Not a UKIP supporter, but as far as I can see you have also described the 3 main parties, and thats why UKIP are doing well. I had to spoil my ballot paper as there was no one worthy of my X for the first time since i was eligible to vote.

Milliband is irrelevant and anonymous, Clegg is a liar and Cameron has no substance and no idea about people. People despise politicians and believe they are only involved in it for themselves rather than helping people. People also despise the media and arent listening to them now. Thats a big reason why UKIP are doing well, people are stopping voting. UKIP are mobilising their support. The main parties as you rightly say, need to clear the nut jobs from their ranks, in other words the 3 leaders and start again.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009. The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.[/p][/quote]Personally i doubt it. No credible domestic policies and a host of nut jobs not cleared from the ranks.[/p][/quote]Not a UKIP supporter, but as far as I can see you have also described the 3 main parties, and thats why UKIP are doing well. I had to spoil my ballot paper as there was no one worthy of my X for the first time since i was eligible to vote. Milliband is irrelevant and anonymous, Clegg is a liar and Cameron has no substance and no idea about people. People despise politicians and believe they are only involved in it for themselves rather than helping people. People also despise the media and arent listening to them now. Thats a big reason why UKIP are doing well, people are stopping voting. UKIP are mobilising their support. The main parties as you rightly say, need to clear the nut jobs from their ranks, in other words the 3 leaders and start again. s-pb2
  • Score: 19

8:51am Mon 26 May 14

joncon says...

UKIP don't want to be in Europe. But they're running for European elections. Isn't that a tad hypocrital?

But at least the liberals got gubbed. Again. That makes me feel better.
UKIP don't want to be in Europe. But they're running for European elections. Isn't that a tad hypocrital? But at least the liberals got gubbed. Again. That makes me feel better. joncon
  • Score: 6

8:57am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

Yes s-pb2 it true, the candidates from the other parties are probably as bad as the UKIP ones. Given that our current MP (Mr Drax) is basically a local toff whose views are almost identical to those of UKIP, it difficult to see that a UKIP MP would be any worse (although they could be equally bad).

As to UKIP policies, it's clear that even if one ignores the EU/Immigration/Forei
gners issues there's little to choose between their policies and those of the right wing of the Conservative party. More money for the army, bring back grammar schools, cut welfare spending.

As to the whole EU issue, my own view is that the effect of the EU is exaggerated. I'm not a UKIP supporter but would be quite happy if we left the EU. I suspect life would carry on much the same.
Yes s-pb2 it true, the candidates from the other parties are probably as bad as the UKIP ones. Given that our current MP (Mr Drax) is basically a local toff whose views are almost identical to those of UKIP, it difficult to see that a UKIP MP would be any worse (although they could be equally bad). As to UKIP policies, it's clear that even if one ignores the EU/Immigration/Forei gners issues there's little to choose between their policies and those of the right wing of the Conservative party. More money for the army, bring back grammar schools, cut welfare spending. As to the whole EU issue, my own view is that the effect of the EU is exaggerated. I'm not a UKIP supporter but would be quite happy if we left the EU. I suspect life would carry on much the same. ronfogg
  • Score: 12

9:00am Mon 26 May 14

skydriver says...

Clegg yet again has put his foot into his own mouth..it was him alone that has ruined the present governments chances of really doing anything constructive., one could say Clegg is destructive , yet his party still defend him.
Clegg yet again has put his foot into his own mouth..it was him alone that has ruined the present governments chances of really doing anything constructive., one could say Clegg is destructive , yet his party still defend him. skydriver
  • Score: 18

9:02am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances. N Smith
  • Score: 24

9:03am Mon 26 May 14

ReasonedDebate says...

Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples. ReasonedDebate
  • Score: -3

9:10am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

N Smith wrote:
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
Yes. Let's get back to the pre-1974 pre-Common Market country with it's two party Tory-Labour system. Where are that new generation of Ted Heaths and Harold Wilsons that will lead us to the promised land?
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.[/p][/quote]Yes. Let's get back to the pre-1974 pre-Common Market country with it's two party Tory-Labour system. Where are that new generation of Ted Heaths and Harold Wilsons that will lead us to the promised land? ronfogg
  • Score: 1

9:11am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
[quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch N Smith
  • Score: 2

9:13am Mon 26 May 14

apm1954 says...

I note the lib dem campaign poster "we are winning here" bless them where.
I note the lib dem campaign poster "we are winning here" bless them where. apm1954
  • Score: 19

9:23am Mon 26 May 14

ReasonedDebate says...

N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
It is
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]It is ReasonedDebate
  • Score: 6

9:24am Mon 26 May 14

Rocksalt says...

N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title. Rocksalt
  • Score: 7

9:29am Mon 26 May 14

charlie2004 says...

DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
[quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist! charlie2004
  • Score: 41

9:32am Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
Sad is your miserable insight into politics and wider democracy. How do you sleep at night making such outrageous outlandish comparatives it's shameful and completely disrespectful.
[quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]Sad is your miserable insight into politics and wider democracy. How do you sleep at night making such outrageous outlandish comparatives it's shameful and completely disrespectful. cj07589
  • Score: 7

9:33am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
Well said
[quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]Well said N Smith
  • Score: 30

9:35am Mon 26 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

This shows just how impossible it is to try to ask any questions at all about Ukipp and their policies, since all the response one ever gets is just another tirade about immigrants and scroungers. How would Ukip propose to pay for all that they say they'd do? How do they imagine their policies would work and how it would be paid for. Can these questions be answered without going on about immigrants, please?
This shows just how impossible it is to try to ask any questions at all about Ukipp and their policies, since all the response one ever gets is just another tirade about immigrants and scroungers. How would Ukip propose to pay for all that they say they'd do? How do they imagine their policies would work and how it would be paid for. Can these questions be answered without going on about immigrants, please? arlbergbahn
  • Score: -5

9:37am Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
Equal to that argument from a sceptics point of view. would be could you please show me the European Union's financial accounts being approved by the independent auditor for the last 10years?
[quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]Equal to that argument from a sceptics point of view. would be could you please show me the European Union's financial accounts being approved by the independent auditor for the last 10years? cj07589
  • Score: 20

9:37am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP N Smith
  • Score: 44

9:37am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

JamesYoung wrote:
ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.
"had we joined the EU prior to 2007" should be "had we joined the Euro prior to 2007" (I assume)

Having the pound meant we could devalue our currency relative to the Germans. The devaluation plus public sector pay freeze (and some public sector pension reforms) has gone through without much complaint. A substantial pay cut in the public sector (which would have been necessary had we been in the Euro) would have been more unpopular, although the actual effect is rather similar
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.[/p][/quote]"had we joined the EU prior to 2007" should be "had we joined the Euro prior to 2007" (I assume) Having the pound meant we could devalue our currency relative to the Germans. The devaluation plus public sector pay freeze (and some public sector pension reforms) has gone through without much complaint. A substantial pay cut in the public sector (which would have been necessary had we been in the Euro) would have been more unpopular, although the actual effect is rather similar ronfogg
  • Score: 8

9:38am Mon 26 May 14

arlbergbahn says...

N Smith wrote:
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
No. What are their views on transport, defence, energy, etc? What would they do after they'd got rid of the tyrants in Brussels?
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.[/p][/quote]No. What are their views on transport, defence, energy, etc? What would they do after they'd got rid of the tyrants in Brussels? arlbergbahn
  • Score: 4

9:41am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
No it doesn't make you a racist, it just shows you're very naive
[quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]No it doesn't make you a racist, it just shows you're very naive ronfogg
  • Score: -20

9:42am Mon 26 May 14

ReasonedDebate says...

Rocksalt wrote:
N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.
Thanks for the education, but if you look at traditional voting stats votes to readership, the daily mail is the most widely read amongst active voters Theo's tt).

As an aside and to all a reminder. Farage's favourite politician is Putin. Are you kidding me? This was funny, it is verging on dangerous now. By all means vote Ukip as a protest against rubbish main parties, I get it. But they are not a long term party with wok able ideas and/or. Realistic grasp of the world. They are tapping into the sentiment market.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the education, but if you look at traditional voting stats votes to readership, the daily mail is the most widely read amongst active voters Theo's tt). As an aside and to all a reminder. Farage's favourite politician is Putin. Are you kidding me? This was funny, it is verging on dangerous now. By all means vote Ukip as a protest against rubbish main parties, I get it. But they are not a long term party with wok able ideas and/or. Realistic grasp of the world. They are tapping into the sentiment market. ReasonedDebate
  • Score: 10

9:46am Mon 26 May 14

ReasonedDebate says...

charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits.

Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.
[quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits. Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation. ReasonedDebate
  • Score: -22

9:48am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
No. What are their views on transport, defence, energy, etc? What would they do after they'd got rid of the tyrants in Brussels?
What are the Tories ??anyone can say cuts more cuts and more cuts
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.[/p][/quote]No. What are their views on transport, defence, energy, etc? What would they do after they'd got rid of the tyrants in Brussels?[/p][/quote]What are the Tories ??anyone can say cuts more cuts and more cuts N Smith
  • Score: -5

9:56am Mon 26 May 14

cosmick says...

Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come. cosmick
  • Score: 7

9:59am Mon 26 May 14

susi.m says...

joncon wrote:
UKIP don't want to be in Europe. But they're running for European elections. Isn't that a tad hypocrital?

But at least the liberals got gubbed. Again. That makes me feel better.
The only way to change things is to change from within.
[quote][p][bold]joncon[/bold] wrote: UKIP don't want to be in Europe. But they're running for European elections. Isn't that a tad hypocrital? But at least the liberals got gubbed. Again. That makes me feel better.[/p][/quote]The only way to change things is to change from within. susi.m
  • Score: 21

10:13am Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote

Dimwits need not apply.
Just what I was thinking of but probably not for the same reason.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote Dimwits need not apply.[/p][/quote]Just what I was thinking of but probably not for the same reason. monkeydog
  • Score: 1

10:18am Mon 26 May 14

contric says...

rocksalt farage never said putin was his favourite politician you lose all credibility by making up things to suit your arguement
rocksalt farage never said putin was his favourite politician you lose all credibility by making up things to suit your arguement contric
  • Score: -3

10:24am Mon 26 May 14

billy bumble says...

ronfogg wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
Yes. Let's get back to the pre-1974 pre-Common Market country with it's two party Tory-Labour system. Where are that new generation of Ted Heaths and Harold Wilsons that will lead us to the promised land?
Good Lord - I trust this is sarcasm

Probably the 2 worst PM's we have ever had - after Blair of course
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.[/p][/quote]Yes. Let's get back to the pre-1974 pre-Common Market country with it's two party Tory-Labour system. Where are that new generation of Ted Heaths and Harold Wilsons that will lead us to the promised land?[/p][/quote]Good Lord - I trust this is sarcasm Probably the 2 worst PM's we have ever had - after Blair of course billy bumble
  • Score: 7

10:25am Mon 26 May 14

charlie2004 says...

ReasonedDebate wrote:
charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits.

Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.
I will not get into an argument with you, I'll just wait watch while others press the negative arrow.
[quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits. Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.[/p][/quote]I will not get into an argument with you, I'll just wait watch while others press the negative arrow. charlie2004
  • Score: -7

10:28am Mon 26 May 14

billy bumble says...

ronfogg wrote:
charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
No it doesn't make you a racist, it just shows you're very naive
There have been some very intelligent, well reasoned arguments from both sides on this thread - yours is not one of them

You should learn to love UKIP methinks - they could well have a say in determining your benefits next year
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]No it doesn't make you a racist, it just shows you're very naive[/p][/quote]There have been some very intelligent, well reasoned arguments from both sides on this thread - yours is not one of them You should learn to love UKIP methinks - they could well have a say in determining your benefits next year billy bumble
  • Score: -6

10:31am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

billy bumble wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
Yes. Let's get back to the pre-1974 pre-Common Market country with it's two party Tory-Labour system. Where are that new generation of Ted Heaths and Harold Wilsons that will lead us to the promised land?
Good Lord - I trust this is sarcasm

Probably the 2 worst PM's we have ever had - after Blair of course
Just making the point about what the UK was like before we joined the Common Market, those glory days of 1972 when the UK was an Eden in a sea of despair (more irony I'm afraid)
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.[/p][/quote]Yes. Let's get back to the pre-1974 pre-Common Market country with it's two party Tory-Labour system. Where are that new generation of Ted Heaths and Harold Wilsons that will lead us to the promised land?[/p][/quote]Good Lord - I trust this is sarcasm Probably the 2 worst PM's we have ever had - after Blair of course[/p][/quote]Just making the point about what the UK was like before we joined the Common Market, those glory days of 1972 when the UK was an Eden in a sea of despair (more irony I'm afraid) ronfogg
  • Score: 3

10:32am Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
It's almost impossible to find sensible details of their policies but you can gain some insight by looking at comments made by members over the past few years,e.g. Paul Nuttall's support for the privatisation of the NHS and the possibility of payments to see a doctor. Ironically, considering that the mainstay of their support is made up of working class conservatives, semi-skilled and manual workers and many of the lower paid, their policies will almost certainly negatively affect just those people who have been voting for them.
[quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]It's almost impossible to find sensible details of their policies but you can gain some insight by looking at comments made by members over the past few years,e.g. Paul Nuttall's support for the privatisation of the NHS and the possibility of payments to see a doctor. Ironically, considering that the mainstay of their support is made up of working class conservatives, semi-skilled and manual workers and many of the lower paid, their policies will almost certainly negatively affect just those people who have been voting for them. monkeydog
  • Score: 8

10:40am Mon 26 May 14

ksmain says...

JamesYoung wrote:
ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.
And this clearly demonstrates where UKIP's policy is and why people will vote for them. They will be a major force in Euro politics because people are highly suspicious of the way the EEC is heading, but they have no other policies that are relevant to the UK itself.

Personally I think the EEC is good as a trading block - but is a no as far as the Euro and a Federal Republic are concerned. The Euro just doesn't work - you cannot pull so many economically diverse countries together and give them the same currency. It just does not work. Neither just one big country with completely different cultures. Keep it as a loose trading bloc only.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.[/p][/quote]And this clearly demonstrates where UKIP's policy is and why people will vote for them. They will be a major force in Euro politics because people are highly suspicious of the way the EEC is heading, but they have no other policies that are relevant to the UK itself. Personally I think the EEC is good as a trading block - but is a no as far as the Euro and a Federal Republic are concerned. The Euro just doesn't work - you cannot pull so many economically diverse countries together and give them the same currency. It just does not work. Neither just one big country with completely different cultures. Keep it as a loose trading bloc only. ksmain
  • Score: 15

10:52am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

ksmain wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.
And this clearly demonstrates where UKIP's policy is and why people will vote for them. They will be a major force in Euro politics because people are highly suspicious of the way the EEC is heading, but they have no other policies that are relevant to the UK itself.

Personally I think the EEC is good as a trading block - but is a no as far as the Euro and a Federal Republic are concerned. The Euro just doesn't work - you cannot pull so many economically diverse countries together and give them the same currency. It just does not work. Neither just one big country with completely different cultures. Keep it as a loose trading bloc only.
As a UKIP voter I support what you say and believe many other do as well. If the other parties want to win back the votes make Farage your leader.
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.[/p][/quote]And this clearly demonstrates where UKIP's policy is and why people will vote for them. They will be a major force in Euro politics because people are highly suspicious of the way the EEC is heading, but they have no other policies that are relevant to the UK itself. Personally I think the EEC is good as a trading block - but is a no as far as the Euro and a Federal Republic are concerned. The Euro just doesn't work - you cannot pull so many economically diverse countries together and give them the same currency. It just does not work. Neither just one big country with completely different cultures. Keep it as a loose trading bloc only.[/p][/quote]As a UKIP voter I support what you say and believe many other do as well. If the other parties want to win back the votes make Farage your leader. N Smith
  • Score: -2

10:56am Mon 26 May 14

Baysider says...

N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin. Baysider
  • Score: -5

11:00am Mon 26 May 14

ronfogg says...

ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009.

The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.
My numbers for 2009 were wrong: share of vote 22.6% (2004) - 22.1% (2009) - 32.2% (2014) so actually a 10% rise since 2009
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Yes, 2 seats again. A good result but the same as last time and the time before. Percentage of votes is rising: 22.6% (2004) - 30.2% (2009) - 32.2% (2014), so a modest 2% rise since 2009. The main interest will be next year to see whether they can get any local MPs elected. 2004 and 2009 Euro results show that it's not at all certain.[/p][/quote]My numbers for 2009 were wrong: share of vote 22.6% (2004) - 22.1% (2009) - 32.2% (2014) so actually a 10% rise since 2009 ronfogg
  • Score: 0

11:04am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea". breamoreboy
  • Score: 8

11:05am Mon 26 May 14

BmthNewshound says...

With a turn out of only 34% the real winner in this election hasn't been UKIP its been voter apathy. The real challenge to the mainstream parties isn't UKIP but getting their supporters to get off their backsides to vote in next years election. I don't care which party people vote for or if they just spoil their voting paper, the important thing is that people exercise their democratic right and vote.
With a turn out of only 34% the real winner in this election hasn't been UKIP its been voter apathy. The real challenge to the mainstream parties isn't UKIP but getting their supporters to get off their backsides to vote in next years election. I don't care which party people vote for or if they just spoil their voting paper, the important thing is that people exercise their democratic right and vote. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 12

11:07am Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
It wasn't written by Farage. Here is the American version -

PATRIOTIC BIKER....

I Am the Democratic, Republican Liberal-Progressive'
s Worst Nightmare.
I am a White, Conservative, Tax-Paying, American Veteran, Gun Owning Biker.
I am a Master leatherworker. I work hard and long hours with my hands to earn a living.
I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others.
I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles, and drive American-made cars, and I believe in American products and buy them whenever I can.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and not some liberal governmental functionary, Democratic or Republican, that wants to share it with others who don't work!
I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!
I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer; it makes you a smart American.
I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything. Get over it!
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac or any other item, you should do it in English.
I believe there should be no other language option.
I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.
My heroes are Malcolm Forbes, Bill Gates, John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and Willie G. Davidson, who makes the awesome Harley Davidson Motorcycles.
I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.
I've never owned a slave, nor was I a slave. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks, and neither have you!
I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country!

This is AMERICA ...We like it the way it is and more so the way it was ...so stop trying to change it to look like Russia or China , or some other socialist country!
If you were born here and don't like it... you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the White House, the seat of our biggest problems.
I want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution?
I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are, but not just because you happen to ride a bike.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driver's license. I think it's good.... And I'm proud that 'God' is written on my money..
I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.
I dislike those people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff or trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause.... Get a job and do your part to support yourself and your family!
I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents....
I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!
I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA !
If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.
If you are a BAD American too, please forward this to everyone you know....
We want our country back!
My Country.....
I hope this offends all illegal aliens.
My great, great, great, great grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in the Revolution & the War of 1812. My great, great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Mexican American War. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends & brothers died in the Civil War. My great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Spanish-American War. My grandfather watched as his friends died in WW I. My father watched as his friends died in WW II.

I watched as my friends died in Vietnam, Panama & Desert Storm. My son watched & bled as his friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq . None of them died for the Mexican Flag. Everyone died for the American flag. Texas high school students raised a Mexican flag on a school flag pole, other students took it down. Guess who was expelled...the students who took it down. California high school students were sent home on Cinco de Mayo, because they wore T-shirts with the American flag printed on them.

Enough is enough

This message needs to be viewed by every American; and every American needs to stand up for America . We've bent over to appease the America-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because the hundreds of thousands who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the American flag.

If you agree, stand up with me. Forward this site far and wide. AMERICANS, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !
Let me make this clear! THIS IS MY COUNTRY !
This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !
YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally:
1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past !
3. Live by OUR rules !
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and Paid for it !
7. NOW find a place to lay your head !

We've gone so far the other way . . . bent over backwards not to offend anyone. Only AMERICANS seems to care when American Citizens are being offended

WAKE UP America ! ! !
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]It wasn't written by Farage. Here is the American version - PATRIOTIC BIKER.... I Am the Democratic, Republican Liberal-Progressive' s Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Conservative, Tax-Paying, American Veteran, Gun Owning Biker. I am a Master leatherworker. I work hard and long hours with my hands to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others. I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles, and drive American-made cars, and I believe in American products and buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me and not some liberal governmental functionary, Democratic or Republican, that wants to share it with others who don't work! I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way! I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer; it makes you a smart American. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything. Get over it! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac or any other item, you should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to. My heroes are Malcolm Forbes, Bill Gates, John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and Willie G. Davidson, who makes the awesome Harley Davidson Motorcycles. I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I've never owned a slave, nor was I a slave. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted by the Turks, and neither have you! I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country! This is AMERICA ...We like it the way it is and more so the way it was ...so stop trying to change it to look like Russia or China , or some other socialist country! If you were born here and don't like it... you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the White House, the seat of our biggest problems. I want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches, where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what color you are, but not just because you happen to ride a bike. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driver's license. I think it's good.... And I'm proud that 'God' is written on my money.. I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years. I dislike those people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff or trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause.... Get a job and do your part to support yourself and your family! I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents.... I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA ! If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American. If you are a BAD American too, please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great, great, great grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in the Revolution & the War of 1812. My great, great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Mexican American War. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends & brothers died in the Civil War. My great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Spanish-American War. My grandfather watched as his friends died in WW I. My father watched as his friends died in WW II. I watched as my friends died in Vietnam, Panama & Desert Storm. My son watched & bled as his friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq . None of them died for the Mexican Flag. Everyone died for the American flag. Texas high school students raised a Mexican flag on a school flag pole, other students took it down. Guess who was expelled...the students who took it down. California high school students were sent home on Cinco de Mayo, because they wore T-shirts with the American flag printed on them. Enough is enough This message needs to be viewed by every American; and every American needs to stand up for America . We've bent over to appease the America-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because the hundreds of thousands who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the American flag. If you agree, stand up with me. Forward this site far and wide. AMERICANS, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! Let me make this clear! THIS IS MY COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past ! 3. Live by OUR rules ! 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and Paid for it ! 7. NOW find a place to lay your head ! We've gone so far the other way . . . bent over backwards not to offend anyone. Only AMERICANS seems to care when American Citizens are being offended WAKE UP America ! ! ! monkeydog
  • Score: 16

11:09am Mon 26 May 14

N Smith says...

Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
Yawn yawn yawn
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]Yawn yawn yawn N Smith
  • Score: -12

11:11am Mon 26 May 14

Baysider says...

arlbergbahn wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.
No. What are their views on transport, defence, energy, etc? What would they do after they'd got rid of the tyrants in Brussels?
Don't worry they'll have a quick think about domestic policies and problems later after we've left the EU against all good financial reason and chocked off any major overseas investment until we rejoin.

They're having their moment in the sun sure enough but this time next year they will be exposed as the policy bankrupt, rhetoric pedling, out of date, ignorant Little Englanders they are.
[quote][p][bold]arlbergbahn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Makes me laugh when people say have you looked at UKIP policies , when have the other parties kept to what they have said in theirs.The public are fed up with the EU and they want their country back isn't that a big enough policy for those who doubt UKIP chances.[/p][/quote]No. What are their views on transport, defence, energy, etc? What would they do after they'd got rid of the tyrants in Brussels?[/p][/quote]Don't worry they'll have a quick think about domestic policies and problems later after we've left the EU against all good financial reason and chocked off any major overseas investment until we rejoin. They're having their moment in the sun sure enough but this time next year they will be exposed as the policy bankrupt, rhetoric pedling, out of date, ignorant Little Englanders they are. Baysider
  • Score: 8

11:12am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
"Your", this country in one :-(
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]"Your", this country in one :-( breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

11:14am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

apm1954 wrote:
I note the lib dem campaign poster "we are winning here" bless them where.
Rockall? :-)
[quote][p][bold]apm1954[/bold] wrote: I note the lib dem campaign poster "we are winning here" bless them where.[/p][/quote]Rockall? :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

11:15am Mon 26 May 14

Lord Spring says...

It is Bran Tub election you vote and then find out afterwards who you voted for .
It is Bran Tub election you vote and then find out afterwards who you voted for . Lord Spring
  • Score: 4

11:16am Mon 26 May 14

Avengerboy says...

Would you seriously vote for the Earl of Dartmouth?
Would you seriously vote for the Earl of Dartmouth? Avengerboy
  • Score: 8

11:19am Mon 26 May 14

Avengerboy says...

I had never heard of Sir Graham Watson and I do follow politics! Says a lot.
I had never heard of Sir Graham Watson and I do follow politics! Says a lot. Avengerboy
  • Score: 1

11:21am Mon 26 May 14

Baysider says...

N Smith wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
Yawn yawn yawn
I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]Yawn yawn yawn[/p][/quote]I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter. Baysider
  • Score: 4

11:21am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
Sad is your miserable insight into politics and wider democracy. How do you sleep at night making such outrageous outlandish comparatives it's shameful and completely disrespectful.
@ednamakepeace just ignore cj, to say that he's as thick as two short planks is an insult to the planks. Over on the Dorset Echo site him and his UKIP pals have been stating that anything that challenges them is lies, smear and innuendo, enough said.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]Sad is your miserable insight into politics and wider democracy. How do you sleep at night making such outrageous outlandish comparatives it's shameful and completely disrespectful.[/p][/quote]@ednamakepeace just ignore cj, to say that he's as thick as two short planks is an insult to the planks. Over on the Dorset Echo site him and his UKIP pals have been stating that anything that challenges them is lies, smear and innuendo, enough said. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

11:29am Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

Now it's all done we'll have to see how they get on. People like Helmer and Dartmouth will be able to hide as MEPs. If they ever got in as MPs their constituents would soon see how intellectually deficient they were.
Now it's all done we'll have to see how they get on. People like Helmer and Dartmouth will be able to hide as MEPs. If they ever got in as MPs their constituents would soon see how intellectually deficient they were. monkeydog
  • Score: 7

11:31am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

ReasonedDebate wrote:
charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits.

Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.
The benefits hound was ATOS. A guy I knew took his own life last year and they didn't exactly help. He turned up for his interview on crutches with his leg in plaster. The original break hadn't mended properly so they'd had to operate. Result of the interview, passed fit to work. He won on appeal, but that and other areas of his life sadly became too much for him.
[quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits. Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.[/p][/quote]The benefits hound was ATOS. A guy I knew took his own life last year and they didn't exactly help. He turned up for his interview on crutches with his leg in plaster. The original break hadn't mended properly so they'd had to operate. Result of the interview, passed fit to work. He won on appeal, but that and other areas of his life sadly became too much for him. breamoreboy
  • Score: 10

11:38am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP. breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

11:43am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

charlie2004 wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits.

Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.
I will not get into an argument with you, I'll just wait watch while others press the negative arrow.
Scoring on this site is meaningless. The brain dead are allowed on this site in the same way that they're allowed to vote, hence last nights results.
[quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits. Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.[/p][/quote]I will not get into an argument with you, I'll just wait watch while others press the negative arrow.[/p][/quote]Scoring on this site is meaningless. The brain dead are allowed on this site in the same way that they're allowed to vote, hence last nights results. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

11:49am Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

ksmain wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
ednamakepeace wrote:
It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems...

The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.
I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.
And this clearly demonstrates where UKIP's policy is and why people will vote for them. They will be a major force in Euro politics because people are highly suspicious of the way the EEC is heading, but they have no other policies that are relevant to the UK itself.

Personally I think the EEC is good as a trading block - but is a no as far as the Euro and a Federal Republic are concerned. The Euro just doesn't work - you cannot pull so many economically diverse countries together and give them the same currency. It just does not work. Neither just one big country with completely different cultures. Keep it as a loose trading bloc only.
Completely agree. If it carries on like this, I'll need two hands to count the number of people on here with some common sense :-)
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ednamakepeace[/bold] wrote: It's sad that so many people actually buy into all the UKIP claptrap that the EU is the cause of the UK's problems... The blame game is not far off the Nazi's blaming everything on the Jews. The world has changed, it's time for people to wake up and realise that.[/p][/quote]I don't vote UKIP, but i do consider that the EU is a serious threat - as do many people in other European countries. We need free trade, we don't need political union. Putin is on record as saying that he sees the EU army/air force idea as a threat, and there are credible reasons to think that the crisis in the Ukraine is in part driven by what he sees as a hostile power swallowing up countries around him. Lastly, had we joined the EU prior to 2007 our economy would have been in a much worse state since the measures that the government has taken (agree or disagree with them) would not have been possible.[/p][/quote]And this clearly demonstrates where UKIP's policy is and why people will vote for them. They will be a major force in Euro politics because people are highly suspicious of the way the EEC is heading, but they have no other policies that are relevant to the UK itself. Personally I think the EEC is good as a trading block - but is a no as far as the Euro and a Federal Republic are concerned. The Euro just doesn't work - you cannot pull so many economically diverse countries together and give them the same currency. It just does not work. Neither just one big country with completely different cultures. Keep it as a loose trading bloc only.[/p][/quote]Completely agree. If it carries on like this, I'll need two hands to count the number of people on here with some common sense :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

11:54am Mon 26 May 14

afcb-mark says...

breamoreboy wrote:
charlie2004 wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
charlie2004 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU.

We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really.

Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties.

Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home.

Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist!
Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits.

Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.
I will not get into an argument with you, I'll just wait watch while others press the negative arrow.
Scoring on this site is meaningless. The brain dead are allowed on this site in the same way that they're allowed to vote, hence last nights results.
Oh dear.. So many negative, uneducated posts on this article, including yours. Don't you realise Ukip won in Bournemouth and also in the whole of the South West region.. Just to help you understand this means more people voted for Ukip than any other party. Watch this space, the people have spoken.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charlie2004[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]To pick up on a few of your points: You say 'who will pay the taxes' I say, who paid the taxes before we entered this circus? You say 'who will do the menial tasks that English people won't do' I say, who did these tasks before we had open borders, the British people of course. 'Big businesses think it is a crazy idea to get out of Europe' Of course they do because their pockets are being lined by hiring the cheap labour that comes with being in the EU. We are having to employ nurses from abroad because of the shear amount of people who have entered this country and health tourists seeking treatment often without having ever paid a penny into our system. We survived pretty well with our home educated nurses before the influx. The more people there are to care for the more nurses needed. The less people, the less nurses. Simple really. Our schools are at bursting point and our own children's standards are rapidly dropping because of over crowding and language difficulties. Our benefits system is a joke. Anyone can enter our country and help themselves to free housing and living expenses. We have enough of our own to fend for without having to keep the spongers who come here without any intentions of working for a living. I have no problem with those who pay their way and get on with their lives without any fuss, we should welcome them, but those who play the system should be packed up and sent back home. Does this make me a racist? No, it makes me a realist![/p][/quote]Schools are not bursting, net immigration is stable and slightly reduced this year. Schools are getting full due to hig h internal birth rate. Cheap labour? There is a minimum wage and if someone is a better worker then shouldn't us Brits work harder? Atoms, the privatised benefits hound quit because it tightened up benefit checks on the disabled so much that over 200 died within a month of being forced back to work. And it takes a long time to get put onto means tested benefits. Also, when you say WE, who do you mean? We are an empire, invaded immigrant nation.[/p][/quote]I will not get into an argument with you, I'll just wait watch while others press the negative arrow.[/p][/quote]Scoring on this site is meaningless. The brain dead are allowed on this site in the same way that they're allowed to vote, hence last nights results.[/p][/quote]Oh dear.. So many negative, uneducated posts on this article, including yours. Don't you realise Ukip won in Bournemouth and also in the whole of the South West region.. Just to help you understand this means more people voted for Ukip than any other party. Watch this space, the people have spoken. afcb-mark
  • Score: 6

11:57am Mon 26 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

Well done ukip, great result

If cleggy doesn't resign this week it will just show how out of touch with reality he really is
Well done ukip, great result If cleggy doesn't resign this week it will just show how out of touch with reality he really is Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: 5

11:58am Mon 26 May 14

ProudofBoscombe says...

Congrats to the UKIP MEPs for conning the racist xenophobic great British public into voting their snouts into the EU trough.
Congrats to the UKIP MEPs for conning the racist xenophobic great British public into voting their snouts into the EU trough. ProudofBoscombe
  • Score: -1

12:00pm Mon 26 May 14

darthradi says...

DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
Finally someone says something like this. Everyone says get us out of EU but they don't say what next. When i asked my colleagues at work why do u want UK out of EU the say i quote. UK is not part of Europe/? So where is it i asked? Still didn't get any answer. Next one say i don't want common market because England is an island. What kind of reason is this i don't know. All of them say we pay millions of pounds every day into EU, but they have no idea what we getting back. Free trade, EU negotiate prices for gas, electronics from China and Korea, protect Europe from influence of Chinese market etc. Next thing is someone must work for future pensions (young people from Eastern Europe) and they do jobs that British people don't want to do. People say that NHS and schools is not doing well because all the foreigners. I'm paying my taxes so where the money goes? Why not to NHS or schools? So please don't blame EU for everything it's not great but we must stay together look what's happening in Russia, China trying to influence more market around the world and they building bigger army. If Europe separate now we will give them what they want so they can push us back in a corner.
[quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]Finally someone says something like this. Everyone says get us out of EU but they don't say what next. When i asked my colleagues at work why do u want UK out of EU the say i quote. UK is not part of Europe/? So where is it i asked? Still didn't get any answer. Next one say i don't want common market because England is an island. What kind of reason is this i don't know. All of them say we pay millions of pounds every day into EU, but they have no idea what we getting back. Free trade, EU negotiate prices for gas, electronics from China and Korea, protect Europe from influence of Chinese market etc. Next thing is someone must work for future pensions (young people from Eastern Europe) and they do jobs that British people don't want to do. People say that NHS and schools is not doing well because all the foreigners. I'm paying my taxes so where the money goes? Why not to NHS or schools? So please don't blame EU for everything it's not great but we must stay together look what's happening in Russia, China trying to influence more market around the world and they building bigger army. If Europe separate now we will give them what they want so they can push us back in a corner. darthradi
  • Score: 10

12:02pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

SaraPoole wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
Look at the results !
Just proves that you can fool the majority of the people.

Mind you Lenny Henry has lost it as a comedian so perhaps he should go to a "black country"? Oh naughty me, lies, smear and innuendo about the wonderful party that UKIP are, I do apologise.
[quote][p][bold]SaraPoole[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]Look at the results ![/p][/quote]Just proves that you can fool the majority of the people. Mind you Lenny Henry has lost it as a comedian so perhaps he should go to a "black country"? Oh naughty me, lies, smear and innuendo about the wonderful party that UKIP are, I do apologise. breamoreboy
  • Score: -9

12:06pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

D.shoreditch wrote:
Congratulations UKIP. Despite the huge hate campaign by the left and the lilly livers of the tories, the people are sending a clear message here. Out of the EU , seconded by handing labour one big get lost message it appears. Well done W&P UKIP supporters, it shows the nasty tactics cannot thwart democracy.
Nonsense, no hate campaign was needed with some of the stupid comments that were made by UKIP members, with this being my favourite "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
[quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote: Congratulations UKIP. Despite the huge hate campaign by the left and the lilly livers of the tories, the people are sending a clear message here. Out of the EU , seconded by handing labour one big get lost message it appears. Well done W&P UKIP supporters, it shows the nasty tactics cannot thwart democracy.[/p][/quote]Nonsense, no hate campaign was needed with some of the stupid comments that were made by UKIP members, with this being my favourite "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea". breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

12:11pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

D.shoreditch wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.
I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.
Very interesting, extremist parties gaining everywhere, France, Greece, Denmark, maybe others? The good thing is, it's giving the people in power a good kicking, such that they might actually do something instead of talk about it.
[quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.[/p][/quote]I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.[/p][/quote]Very interesting, extremist parties gaining everywhere, France, Greece, Denmark, maybe others? The good thing is, it's giving the people in power a good kicking, such that they might actually do something instead of talk about it. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

12:14pm Mon 26 May 14

cosmick says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Well done ukip, great result

If cleggy doesn't resign this week it will just show how out of touch with reality he really is
I think NICK should stay, he can help UKIP more that way.
As with ED stay where you are and help UKIP.
DAVID the same advice.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Well done ukip, great result If cleggy doesn't resign this week it will just show how out of touch with reality he really is[/p][/quote]I think NICK should stay, he can help UKIP more that way. As with ED stay where you are and help UKIP. DAVID the same advice. cosmick
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Mon 26 May 14

cosmick says...

SCOTLAND UKIP SEAT GREAT.
SCOTLAND UKIP SEAT GREAT. cosmick
  • Score: 5

1:00pm Mon 26 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

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  • Score: 1

1:12pm Mon 26 May 14

G from Kinson says...

Question- What was Farage before he became political?
Answer- Banker !
Question-What profession did we all despise after the recent financial troubles?
Answer-Banking!
Farage gives the impression of a beer loving, straight talking guy but as was said on TV early this morning,will he now slip into his former true self?
Question- What was Farage before he became political? Answer- Banker ! Question-What profession did we all despise after the recent financial troubles? Answer-Banking! Farage gives the impression of a beer loving, straight talking guy but as was said on TV early this morning,will he now slip into his former true self? G from Kinson
  • Score: 12

1:12pm Mon 26 May 14

ProudofBoscombe says...

sberth wrote:
Well done UKIP, the people have indeed spoken and for the first time in over 100 years a party has topped the poles in a national election other than Labour or Conservative, match this with the similar voices in Europe who also want the same and it adds up to one big shout for getting rid of this Psuedo-communist empire.

Between now and the next election it is up to every supporter to be aware , the dirty tricks and vile tactics will increase a hundred fold from the left , we must try and convince every voter who was on the fence to vote for the future of their country as a sovereign country independent from the oppressive life-sucking behemoth of the EU
"... topped the poles ..." lol
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Well done UKIP, the people have indeed spoken and for the first time in over 100 years a party has topped the poles in a national election other than Labour or Conservative, match this with the similar voices in Europe who also want the same and it adds up to one big shout for getting rid of this Psuedo-communist empire. Between now and the next election it is up to every supporter to be aware , the dirty tricks and vile tactics will increase a hundred fold from the left , we must try and convince every voter who was on the fence to vote for the future of their country as a sovereign country independent from the oppressive life-sucking behemoth of the EU[/p][/quote]"... topped the poles ..." lol ProudofBoscombe
  • Score: 6

1:48pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please? cj07589
  • Score: -3

1:52pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

I thought this http://blogs.channel
4.com/paul-mason-blo
g/price-eu-awash-naz
is/851 was a well balanced article on the election results, your opinions please.
I thought this http://blogs.channel 4.com/paul-mason-blo g/price-eu-awash-naz is/851 was a well balanced article on the election results, your opinions please. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

1:55pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'. monkeydog
  • Score: 1

1:58pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
http://metrouk2.file

s.wordpress.com/2014

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Must get one of these
Well, it's an ambition.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: http://metrouk2.file s.wordpress.com/2014 /05/ad_135691263.jpg Must get one of these[/p][/quote]Well, it's an ambition. monkeydog
  • Score: -3

2:04pm Mon 26 May 14

nothingtofear says...

N Smith wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
Yawn yawn yawn
Farage didn't write any of the above which sort of invalidates your whole argument.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]Yawn yawn yawn[/p][/quote]Farage didn't write any of the above which sort of invalidates your whole argument. nothingtofear
  • Score: 8

2:08pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
Well done UKIP, the people have indeed spoken and for the first time in over 100 years a party has topped the poles in a national election other than Labour or Conservative, match this with the similar voices in Europe who also want the same and it adds up to one big shout for getting rid of this Psuedo-communist empire.

Between now and the next election it is up to every supporter to be aware , the dirty tricks and vile tactics will increase a hundred fold from the left , we must try and convince every voter who was on the fence to vote for the future of their country as a sovereign country independent from the oppressive life-sucking behemoth of the EU
How many more times do we have to read this type of dross? I suggest that across Europe the people voting for extreme right wing political parties did so as a result of dirty tricks and vile tactics used by those same parties against the centre and the left.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Well done UKIP, the people have indeed spoken and for the first time in over 100 years a party has topped the poles in a national election other than Labour or Conservative, match this with the similar voices in Europe who also want the same and it adds up to one big shout for getting rid of this Psuedo-communist empire. Between now and the next election it is up to every supporter to be aware , the dirty tricks and vile tactics will increase a hundred fold from the left , we must try and convince every voter who was on the fence to vote for the future of their country as a sovereign country independent from the oppressive life-sucking behemoth of the EU[/p][/quote]How many more times do we have to read this type of dross? I suggest that across Europe the people voting for extreme right wing political parties did so as a result of dirty tricks and vile tactics used by those same parties against the centre and the left. breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
Equal to that argument from a sceptics point of view. would be could you please show me the European Union's financial accounts being approved by the independent auditor for the last 10years?
See the books? !!! No no dear boy you can;t do that...just be a good Euro-battery, be quiet and let the faceless masters control
The comments above I do agree with, but I think it's nearer to 20 years since the books were signed off.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]Equal to that argument from a sceptics point of view. would be could you please show me the European Union's financial accounts being approved by the independent auditor for the last 10years?[/p][/quote]See the books? !!! No no dear boy you can;t do that...just be a good Euro-battery, be quiet and let the faceless masters control[/p][/quote]The comments above I do agree with, but I think it's nearer to 20 years since the books were signed off. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cosmick wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Well done ukip, great result

If cleggy doesn't resign this week it will just show how out of touch with reality he really is
I think NICK should stay, he can help UKIP more that way.
As with ED stay where you are and help UKIP.
DAVID the same advice.
So UKIP has nothing to offer and has to rely on the incompetence of the other parties. Will this be one of UKIP's slogans at the General Election next year?
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Well done ukip, great result If cleggy doesn't resign this week it will just show how out of touch with reality he really is[/p][/quote]I think NICK should stay, he can help UKIP more that way. As with ED stay where you are and help UKIP. DAVID the same advice.[/p][/quote]So UKIP has nothing to offer and has to rely on the incompetence of the other parties. Will this be one of UKIP's slogans at the General Election next year? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cosmick wrote:
SCOTLAND UKIP SEAT GREAT.
UKIP all over, shout, shout, shout.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: SCOTLAND UKIP SEAT GREAT.[/p][/quote]UKIP all over, shout, shout, shout. breamoreboy
  • Score: 4

2:21pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

ProudofBoscombe wrote:
sberth wrote:
Well done UKIP, the people have indeed spoken and for the first time in over 100 years a party has topped the poles in a national election other than Labour or Conservative, match this with the similar voices in Europe who also want the same and it adds up to one big shout for getting rid of this Psuedo-communist empire.

Between now and the next election it is up to every supporter to be aware , the dirty tricks and vile tactics will increase a hundred fold from the left , we must try and convince every voter who was on the fence to vote for the future of their country as a sovereign country independent from the oppressive life-sucking behemoth of the EU
"... topped the poles ..." lol
Yep, the intellectual level of the average UKIP voter in one. Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they've done? Or something like that, anyway.
[quote][p][bold]ProudofBoscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Well done UKIP, the people have indeed spoken and for the first time in over 100 years a party has topped the poles in a national election other than Labour or Conservative, match this with the similar voices in Europe who also want the same and it adds up to one big shout for getting rid of this Psuedo-communist empire. Between now and the next election it is up to every supporter to be aware , the dirty tricks and vile tactics will increase a hundred fold from the left , we must try and convince every voter who was on the fence to vote for the future of their country as a sovereign country independent from the oppressive life-sucking behemoth of the EU[/p][/quote]"... topped the poles ..." lol[/p][/quote]Yep, the intellectual level of the average UKIP voter in one. Forgive them Lord, for they know not what they've done? Or something like that, anyway. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

2:27pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

2:38pm Mon 26 May 14

pauls55 says...

How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip. pauls55
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Mon 26 May 14

muscliffman says...

ReasonedDebate wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.
Thanks for the education, but if you look at traditional voting stats votes to readership, the daily mail is the most widely read amongst active voters Theo's tt).

As an aside and to all a reminder. Farage's favourite politician is Putin. Are you kidding me? This was funny, it is verging on dangerous now. By all means vote Ukip as a protest against rubbish main parties, I get it. But they are not a long term party with wok able ideas and/or. Realistic grasp of the world. They are tapping into the sentiment market.
With respect if you are going to come on here and voice an opinion about what a newspaper says, whom it politically supports and who it directs it's readers to vote for then perhaps you should actually read it beforehand.

Because clearly the Daily Mail is and always has been a Tory paper and it's strings have lately been well and truly pulled by that increasingly nervous Party. Virtually every edition of the Mail for some months has contained very negative often questionable articles about UKIP and accompanied them with carefully chosen hideously unflattering photos of Nigel Farage. The Daily Mail was not urging it's reader to vote anything but Tory - and was evidently quite prepared to compromise it's journalistic repute by insulting UKIP and their supporters at every opportunity to achieve that.

Whilst 'Farage's favourite politician is Putin' which you keep referring to, Farage of course has never actually said that in context, but as with so much coming from UKIP's critics, including the 'establishment' parties and their media mates, why let the facts.......
[quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the education, but if you look at traditional voting stats votes to readership, the daily mail is the most widely read amongst active voters Theo's tt). As an aside and to all a reminder. Farage's favourite politician is Putin. Are you kidding me? This was funny, it is verging on dangerous now. By all means vote Ukip as a protest against rubbish main parties, I get it. But they are not a long term party with wok able ideas and/or. Realistic grasp of the world. They are tapping into the sentiment market.[/p][/quote]With respect if you are going to come on here and voice an opinion about what a newspaper says, whom it politically supports and who it directs it's readers to vote for then perhaps you should actually read it beforehand. Because clearly the Daily Mail is and always has been a Tory paper and it's strings have lately been well and truly pulled by that increasingly nervous Party. Virtually every edition of the Mail for some months has contained very negative often questionable articles about UKIP and accompanied them with carefully chosen hideously unflattering photos of Nigel Farage. The Daily Mail was not urging it's reader to vote anything but Tory - and was evidently quite prepared to compromise it's journalistic repute by insulting UKIP and their supporters at every opportunity to achieve that. Whilst 'Farage's favourite politician is Putin' which you keep referring to, Farage of course has never actually said that in context, but as with so much coming from UKIP's critics, including the 'establishment' parties and their media mates, why let the facts....... muscliffman
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Mon 26 May 14

G from Kinson says...

Interesting by election in Newark in two weeks in which UKIP think they can overturn a 16,000 Tory majority.
Here is the 2010 result.
Conservative Patrick Mercer 27,590 53.9 +3.4
Labour Ian Campbell 11,438 22.3 −6.0
Liberal Democrat Pauline Jenkins 10,246 20.0 +1.6
UKIP Rev Major Tom Irvine 1,954 3.8 +1.0
Majority 16,152 31.5
Turnout 51,228 71.4 +8.0
Conservative hold Swing +4.7
I reckon the Lib Dem support will collapse,so who will get their votes?Labour or UKIP?
Could be a close call for the Tories, so where will that leave Cameron?

By the way, no one seems to have mentioned( except some on the TV early this morning and in some of the press) about the massive coverage that UKIP have had in these elections.Why were they given this, bearing in mind they held no power ?
I presume they will be given the same as the rest come the General Election?
Interesting by election in Newark in two weeks in which UKIP think they can overturn a 16,000 Tory majority. Here is the 2010 result. Conservative Patrick Mercer 27,590 53.9 +3.4 Labour Ian Campbell 11,438 22.3 −6.0 Liberal Democrat Pauline Jenkins 10,246 20.0 +1.6 UKIP Rev Major Tom Irvine 1,954 3.8 +1.0 Majority 16,152 31.5 Turnout 51,228 71.4 +8.0 Conservative hold Swing +4.7 I reckon the Lib Dem support will collapse,so who will get their votes?Labour or UKIP? Could be a close call for the Tories, so where will that leave Cameron? By the way, no one seems to have mentioned( except some on the TV early this morning and in some of the press) about the massive coverage that UKIP have had in these elections.Why were they given this, bearing in mind they held no power ? I presume they will be given the same as the rest come the General Election? G from Kinson
  • Score: 4

2:51pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
D.shoreditch wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.
I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.
Very interesting, extremist parties gaining everywhere, France, Greece, Denmark, maybe others? The good thing is, it's giving the people in power a good kicking, such that they might actually do something instead of talk about it.
Don't you really mean get labeled an extremist by the left wing extremists dictators who according to your own words refer to people with a deferring opinion as being 'brain dead' and should not be allowed the vote.
So much for wanting to talk how very enlightening and tolerant of you.
Whether you like it or not the people have spoken, it is time to decide over the EU dictatorship, there is nothing extreme in applying common-sense to managing our own borders reversing the human rights nonsense that rewards criminals. I look forward to receiving another barrage of angry rhetoric because democracy prevailed and you don't like the result.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.[/p][/quote]I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.[/p][/quote]Very interesting, extremist parties gaining everywhere, France, Greece, Denmark, maybe others? The good thing is, it's giving the people in power a good kicking, such that they might actually do something instead of talk about it.[/p][/quote]Don't you really mean get labeled an extremist by the left wing extremists dictators who according to your own words refer to people with a deferring opinion as being 'brain dead' and should not be allowed the vote. So much for wanting to talk how very enlightening and tolerant of you. Whether you like it or not the people have spoken, it is time to decide over the EU dictatorship, there is nothing extreme in applying common-sense to managing our own borders reversing the human rights nonsense that rewards criminals. I look forward to receiving another barrage of angry rhetoric because democracy prevailed and you don't like the result. cj07589
  • Score: 1

2:52pm Mon 26 May 14

cosmick says...

Just seen NICK on the t.v, what a great leader shows the countrys got ****.
Just seen NICK on the t.v, what a great leader shows the countrys got ****. cosmick
  • Score: 4

2:54pm Mon 26 May 14

PEJ says...

Oh dear pauls55. I voted UKIP and I come from an immigrant family. My grandfather came to England from Italy, 5 of his sons fought with the English in the second world war. 3 in the British Army and 2 in the Royal Navy. I am not nasty or racist, gullible or a simpleton. Before people make these comments find out some of the facts as to why people voted for UKIP and do not make nasty assumptions.
Oh dear pauls55. I voted UKIP and I come from an immigrant family. My grandfather came to England from Italy, 5 of his sons fought with the English in the second world war. 3 in the British Army and 2 in the Royal Navy. I am not nasty or racist, gullible or a simpleton. Before people make these comments find out some of the facts as to why people voted for UKIP and do not make nasty assumptions. PEJ
  • Score: 5

2:57pm Mon 26 May 14

pauls55 says...

UKIP results in No of Councils won - 0
No of Council seats - 163 out of 4200
No of times on BBC/ITV - infinite!! In other words, thankfully they will never be in power in this country.
European election:
UKIP 11% increase, Labour almost 10% increase.. the former has created an 'earthquake' apparently, whereas the latter has 'failed' according to the media!
UKIP results in No of Councils won - 0 No of Council seats - 163 out of 4200 No of times on BBC/ITV - infinite!! In other words, thankfully they will never be in power in this country. European election: UKIP 11% increase, Labour almost 10% increase.. the former has created an 'earthquake' apparently, whereas the latter has 'failed' according to the media! pauls55
  • Score: 4

2:58pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you? cj07589
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

muscliffman wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.
Thanks for the education, but if you look at traditional voting stats votes to readership, the daily mail is the most widely read amongst active voters Theo's tt).

As an aside and to all a reminder. Farage's favourite politician is Putin. Are you kidding me? This was funny, it is verging on dangerous now. By all means vote Ukip as a protest against rubbish main parties, I get it. But they are not a long term party with wok able ideas and/or. Realistic grasp of the world. They are tapping into the sentiment market.
With respect if you are going to come on here and voice an opinion about what a newspaper says, whom it politically supports and who it directs it's readers to vote for then perhaps you should actually read it beforehand.

Because clearly the Daily Mail is and always has been a Tory paper and it's strings have lately been well and truly pulled by that increasingly nervous Party. Virtually every edition of the Mail for some months has contained very negative often questionable articles about UKIP and accompanied them with carefully chosen hideously unflattering photos of Nigel Farage. The Daily Mail was not urging it's reader to vote anything but Tory - and was evidently quite prepared to compromise it's journalistic repute by insulting UKIP and their supporters at every opportunity to achieve that.

Whilst 'Farage's favourite politician is Putin' which you keep referring to, Farage of course has never actually said that in context, but as with so much coming from UKIP's critics, including the 'establishment' parties and their media mates, why let the facts.......
He said he admired Putin which is fair enough.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]The Daily Mail is very nearly the best selling paper in the country. The gap between the Sun and the Mail has narrowed to about 500,000. The Mail sells twice as many copies as the next best selling title.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the education, but if you look at traditional voting stats votes to readership, the daily mail is the most widely read amongst active voters Theo's tt). As an aside and to all a reminder. Farage's favourite politician is Putin. Are you kidding me? This was funny, it is verging on dangerous now. By all means vote Ukip as a protest against rubbish main parties, I get it. But they are not a long term party with wok able ideas and/or. Realistic grasp of the world. They are tapping into the sentiment market.[/p][/quote]With respect if you are going to come on here and voice an opinion about what a newspaper says, whom it politically supports and who it directs it's readers to vote for then perhaps you should actually read it beforehand. Because clearly the Daily Mail is and always has been a Tory paper and it's strings have lately been well and truly pulled by that increasingly nervous Party. Virtually every edition of the Mail for some months has contained very negative often questionable articles about UKIP and accompanied them with carefully chosen hideously unflattering photos of Nigel Farage. The Daily Mail was not urging it's reader to vote anything but Tory - and was evidently quite prepared to compromise it's journalistic repute by insulting UKIP and their supporters at every opportunity to achieve that. Whilst 'Farage's favourite politician is Putin' which you keep referring to, Farage of course has never actually said that in context, but as with so much coming from UKIP's critics, including the 'establishment' parties and their media mates, why let the facts.......[/p][/quote]He said he admired Putin which is fair enough. monkeydog
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :) monkeydog
  • Score: 0

3:03pm Mon 26 May 14

Sameb1 says...

I agree with UKip on Europe but WOULD NEVER VOTE for them. They want to privatise everything and are exactly the same as the Tories on everything except Europe
So when you vote UKip realise that they will slash spending in education and the NHS
The biggest con of this election is that UKip is for the working man of the street cause that is simply just not the case, a vote for Ukip is a vote for the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer
I agree with UKip on Europe but WOULD NEVER VOTE for them. They want to privatise everything and are exactly the same as the Tories on everything except Europe So when you vote UKip realise that they will slash spending in education and the NHS The biggest con of this election is that UKip is for the working man of the street cause that is simply just not the case, a vote for Ukip is a vote for the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer Sameb1
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Mon 26 May 14

pauls55 says...

cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
I think you've just proved my point, thank you
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]I think you've just proved my point, thank you pauls55
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Mon 26 May 14

muscliffman says...

breamoreboy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality.

David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what!
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".[/p][/quote]Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what! muscliffman
  • Score: 8

3:10pm Mon 26 May 14

pauls55 says...

64% of Brits didn't vote in these elections, just 9.7% voted for UKIP, while 26.3% voted for other parties. Exactly what are all you lot celebrating?
64% of Brits didn't vote in these elections, just 9.7% voted for UKIP, while 26.3% voted for other parties. Exactly what are all you lot celebrating? pauls55
  • Score: 2

3:13pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

pauls55 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
I think you've just proved my point, thank you
Does the truth hurt?
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]I think you've just proved my point, thank you[/p][/quote]Does the truth hurt? cj07589
  • Score: -2

3:16pm Mon 26 May 14

contric says...

perhaps ukip will bring out a pledge to sell a load of gold off when the price is rock bottom i doubt it though no-one would be hat silly
perhaps ukip will bring out a pledge to sell a load of gold off when the price is rock bottom i doubt it though no-one would be hat silly contric
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Mon 26 May 14

billy bumble says...

contric wrote:
perhaps ukip will bring out a pledge to sell a load of gold off when the price is rock bottom i doubt it though no-one would be hat silly
Ha ha - great!
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: perhaps ukip will bring out a pledge to sell a load of gold off when the price is rock bottom i doubt it though no-one would be hat silly[/p][/quote]Ha ha - great! billy bumble
  • Score: 2

3:25pm Mon 26 May 14

pauls55 says...

cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
I think you've just proved my point, thank you
Does the truth hurt?
The truth is despite all the over-exposure from the media only 9.7% voted for UKIP. The rest of us can see through the distortions and downright lies of their propaganda machine.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]I think you've just proved my point, thank you[/p][/quote]Does the truth hurt?[/p][/quote]The truth is despite all the over-exposure from the media only 9.7% voted for UKIP. The rest of us can see through the distortions and downright lies of their propaganda machine. pauls55
  • Score: -2

3:28pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

pauls55 wrote:
64% of Brits didn't vote in these elections, just 9.7% voted for UKIP, while 26.3% voted for other parties. Exactly what are all you lot celebrating?
Celebrating success in defiance of the intolerant left no doubt. Epitomised by the nasty angry stereotypical spew you've written previously in this thread.
Does the truth hurt your sense of dictatorial self-importance and why do you take issue with others celebrating a change for good?? Given the character of you're previous contributions you are really in no position whatsoever to preach morals.
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: 64% of Brits didn't vote in these elections, just 9.7% voted for UKIP, while 26.3% voted for other parties. Exactly what are all you lot celebrating?[/p][/quote]Celebrating success in defiance of the intolerant left no doubt. Epitomised by the nasty angry stereotypical spew you've written previously in this thread. Does the truth hurt your sense of dictatorial self-importance and why do you take issue with others celebrating a change for good?? Given the character of you're previous contributions you are really in no position whatsoever to preach morals. cj07589
  • Score: -1

3:32pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

sberth wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality.

David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what!
Lol, Pwned.
Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".[/p][/quote]Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what![/p][/quote]Lol, Pwned.[/p][/quote]Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad. cj07589
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Mon 26 May 14

Baysider says...

contric wrote:
perhaps ukip will bring out a pledge to sell a load of gold off when the price is rock bottom i doubt it though no-one would be hat silly
...or sell off the Post Office to their mates in the City at rock bottom prices eh? I'm sure Nigel Farage PM would take a very rigorous approach to dealing with his own mates and ex-colleagues in the same institutions and we would once again end up similarly screwed over if he ever got anywhere near proper power. Thankfully THAT ain't ever going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: perhaps ukip will bring out a pledge to sell a load of gold off when the price is rock bottom i doubt it though no-one would be hat silly[/p][/quote]...or sell off the Post Office to their mates in the City at rock bottom prices eh? I'm sure Nigel Farage PM would take a very rigorous approach to dealing with his own mates and ex-colleagues in the same institutions and we would once again end up similarly screwed over if he ever got anywhere near proper power. Thankfully THAT ain't ever going to happen. Baysider
  • Score: 0

3:44pm Mon 26 May 14

contric says...

another ukip policy could be to do there best to scrap grammar and private schools and then sqeeze there kids in to them and justify it by saying their kids are dyslexic and need that sort of education i doubt it no-one would be that hypocritical
another ukip policy could be to do there best to scrap grammar and private schools and then sqeeze there kids in to them and justify it by saying their kids are dyslexic and need that sort of education i doubt it no-one would be that hypocritical contric
  • Score: 1

3:45pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

pauls55 wrote:
UKIP results in No of Councils won - 0
No of Council seats - 163 out of 4200
No of times on BBC/ITV - infinite!! In other words, thankfully they will never be in power in this country.
European election:
UKIP 11% increase, Labour almost 10% increase.. the former has created an 'earthquake' apparently, whereas the latter has 'failed' according to the media!
This authors contra-dictionary post is rather poetic of the haters. Referring to all UKIP supporters as 'gullible simpletons' and then epically fails to appreciate that UKIP is now the no1 political party holding office in the European Union. :-)
Notwithstanding UKIP has moved from the outside to the fore of power to now be in a real position to influence bringing the EU referendum forward before the next general elections. Clearly far too simple for some to grasp. Nigel Farage for PM!
[quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: UKIP results in No of Councils won - 0 No of Council seats - 163 out of 4200 No of times on BBC/ITV - infinite!! In other words, thankfully they will never be in power in this country. European election: UKIP 11% increase, Labour almost 10% increase.. the former has created an 'earthquake' apparently, whereas the latter has 'failed' according to the media![/p][/quote]This authors contra-dictionary post is rather poetic of the haters. Referring to all UKIP supporters as 'gullible simpletons' and then epically fails to appreciate that UKIP is now the no1 political party holding office in the European Union. :-) Notwithstanding UKIP has moved from the outside to the fore of power to now be in a real position to influence bringing the EU referendum forward before the next general elections. Clearly far too simple for some to grasp. Nigel Farage for PM! cj07589
  • Score: -6

3:48pm Mon 26 May 14

afcb-mark says...

darthradi wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
Finally someone says something like this. Everyone says get us out of EU but they don't say what next. When i asked my colleagues at work why do u want UK out of EU the say i quote. UK is not part of Europe/? So where is it i asked? Still didn't get any answer. Next one say i don't want common market because England is an island. What kind of reason is this i don't know. All of them say we pay millions of pounds every day into EU, but they have no idea what we getting back. Free trade, EU negotiate prices for gas, electronics from China and Korea, protect Europe from influence of Chinese market etc. Next thing is someone must work for future pensions (young people from Eastern Europe) and they do jobs that British people don't want to do. People say that NHS and schools is not doing well because all the foreigners. I'm paying my taxes so where the money goes? Why not to NHS or schools? So please don't blame EU for everything it's not great but we must stay together look what's happening in Russia, China trying to influence more market around the world and they building bigger army. If Europe separate now we will give them what they want so they can push us back in a corner.
Terrible English grammar. Let's be honest...I don't think you have clue regards what you are saying. You talk about Eastern Europeans doing the jobs English people don't want, What utter nonsense. Eastern Europeans have driven wages down in many jobs beyond the reach of the English man/woman to provide for their families. I have worked with Eastern Europeans and many share the same flat even to the extent of one getting out of bed to go to work for the one who's just finished their shift to get into it. They then send the majority of their money back to their homeland where many have left their children who are looked after by relatives. Multiple occupancies in a two bed flat bring their share of the rent down. Is that what the English should now be doing in order to keep a roof over their heads and provide for their families. Stop calling the English lazy, get off their backs and look at the bigger picture. Stop disrespecting the very people who's country you have chosen to come and live in. The vast majority of British people are not lazy, they are simply finding it increasingly difficult to swim against the tide in their own country. The To be honest it is bloody shameful the way the British people have been treated by their so called leaders.
[quote][p][bold]darthradi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]Finally someone says something like this. Everyone says get us out of EU but they don't say what next. When i asked my colleagues at work why do u want UK out of EU the say i quote. UK is not part of Europe/? So where is it i asked? Still didn't get any answer. Next one say i don't want common market because England is an island. What kind of reason is this i don't know. All of them say we pay millions of pounds every day into EU, but they have no idea what we getting back. Free trade, EU negotiate prices for gas, electronics from China and Korea, protect Europe from influence of Chinese market etc. Next thing is someone must work for future pensions (young people from Eastern Europe) and they do jobs that British people don't want to do. People say that NHS and schools is not doing well because all the foreigners. I'm paying my taxes so where the money goes? Why not to NHS or schools? So please don't blame EU for everything it's not great but we must stay together look what's happening in Russia, China trying to influence more market around the world and they building bigger army. If Europe separate now we will give them what they want so they can push us back in a corner.[/p][/quote]Terrible English grammar. Let's be honest...I don't think you have clue regards what you are saying. You talk about Eastern Europeans doing the jobs English people don't want, What utter nonsense. Eastern Europeans have driven wages down in many jobs beyond the reach of the English man/woman to provide for their families. I have worked with Eastern Europeans and many share the same flat even to the extent of one getting out of bed to go to work for the one who's just finished their shift to get into it. They then send the majority of their money back to their homeland where many have left their children who are looked after by relatives. Multiple occupancies in a two bed flat bring their share of the rent down. Is that what the English should now be doing in order to keep a roof over their heads and provide for their families. Stop calling the English lazy, get off their backs and look at the bigger picture. Stop disrespecting the very people who's country you have chosen to come and live in. The vast majority of British people are not lazy, they are simply finding it increasingly difficult to swim against the tide in their own country. The To be honest it is bloody shameful the way the British people have been treated by their so called leaders. afcb-mark
  • Score: 3

3:51pm Mon 26 May 14

Top Gear says...

I think its funny how some people think that voting for UKIP is akin to supporting the Nazi party in the 1930s. Now where did I put my swastika arm band.
I think its funny how some people think that voting for UKIP is akin to supporting the Nazi party in the 1930s. Now where did I put my swastika arm band. Top Gear
  • Score: -3

3:52pm Mon 26 May 14

Hunter4 says...

Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way!
Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way! Hunter4
  • Score: 9

4:03pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
Yawn yawn yawn
I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.
Or alternately exposes the petty & limited mentality of the haters and critics??
In modern day jargon you've just been......... 'Pwned' & do have a nice day!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]Yawn yawn yawn[/p][/quote]I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.[/p][/quote]Or alternately exposes the petty & limited mentality of the haters and critics?? In modern day jargon you've just been......... 'Pwned' & do have a nice day! cj07589
  • Score: -2

4:05pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

Hunter4 wrote:
Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way!
Yes indeed don't forget cast iron dave is no better either.
[quote][p][bold]Hunter4[/bold] wrote: Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way![/p][/quote]Yes indeed don't forget cast iron dave is no better either. cj07589
  • Score: 3

4:11pm Mon 26 May 14

G from Kinson says...

The state of politics in this country worries me!
Very few bother to vote and Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage are said to be the most popular politicians!
Yet when these two appeared as panellists on "Have I Got News For You " they were made to look foolish!
Is this really what this country wants?
I sincerely hope not!
The state of politics in this country worries me! Very few bother to vote and Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage are said to be the most popular politicians! Yet when these two appeared as panellists on "Have I Got News For You " they were made to look foolish! Is this really what this country wants? I sincerely hope not! G from Kinson
  • Score: 5

4:12pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
D.shoreditch wrote:
Schrodinger's Cat wrote:
It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.
I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.
Very interesting, extremist parties gaining everywhere, France, Greece, Denmark, maybe others? The good thing is, it's giving the people in power a good kicking, such that they might actually do something instead of talk about it.
Don't you really mean get labeled an extremist by the left wing extremists dictators who according to your own words refer to people with a deferring opinion as being 'brain dead' and should not be allowed the vote.
So much for wanting to talk how very enlightening and tolerant of you.
Whether you like it or not the people have spoken, it is time to decide over the EU dictatorship, there is nothing extreme in applying common-sense to managing our own borders reversing the human rights nonsense that rewards criminals. I look forward to receiving another barrage of angry rhetoric because democracy prevailed and you don't like the result.
"The election marked a turning point for Greece on Sunday with voters delivering a resounding victory for the radical left Syriza party while sending at least three neo-nazi Golden Dawn members to Brussels." Can I be so bold as to ask how Syriza gets labelled extremist by "left wing extremists dictators" when they are themselves left wing?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D.shoreditch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Schrodinger's Cat[/bold] wrote: It also looks like UKIP are stuck on 2 seats just like five years ago.[/p][/quote]I am watching the results nationaly and in the EU which are also interesting.[/p][/quote]Very interesting, extremist parties gaining everywhere, France, Greece, Denmark, maybe others? The good thing is, it's giving the people in power a good kicking, such that they might actually do something instead of talk about it.[/p][/quote]Don't you really mean get labeled an extremist by the left wing extremists dictators who according to your own words refer to people with a deferring opinion as being 'brain dead' and should not be allowed the vote. So much for wanting to talk how very enlightening and tolerant of you. Whether you like it or not the people have spoken, it is time to decide over the EU dictatorship, there is nothing extreme in applying common-sense to managing our own borders reversing the human rights nonsense that rewards criminals. I look forward to receiving another barrage of angry rhetoric because democracy prevailed and you don't like the result.[/p][/quote]"The election marked a turning point for Greece on Sunday with voters delivering a resounding victory for the radical left Syriza party while sending at least three neo-nazi Golden Dawn members to Brussels." Can I be so bold as to ask how Syriza gets labelled extremist by "left wing extremists dictators" when they are themselves left wing? breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Mon 26 May 14

tweetSP0RT says...

G from Kinson wrote:
The state of politics in this country worries me!
Very few bother to vote and Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage are said to be the most popular politicians!
Yet when these two appeared as panellists on "Have I Got News For You " they were made to look foolish!
Is this really what this country wants?
I sincerely hope not!
Both are great actors,

Public school boy classics graduate Boris goes for the bumbling but likeable toff persona.

Farage goes for the beer and a fag everyman (despite being an ex-public school city trader) with a bit of I'm the underdog/outsider thrown in.

It's a great wheeze to get yourself elected shame a lot of people don't dig much beneath the surface.
[quote][p][bold]G from Kinson[/bold] wrote: The state of politics in this country worries me! Very few bother to vote and Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage are said to be the most popular politicians! Yet when these two appeared as panellists on "Have I Got News For You " they were made to look foolish! Is this really what this country wants? I sincerely hope not![/p][/quote]Both are great actors, Public school boy classics graduate Boris goes for the bumbling but likeable toff persona. Farage goes for the beer and a fag everyman (despite being an ex-public school city trader) with a bit of I'm the underdog/outsider thrown in. It's a great wheeze to get yourself elected shame a lot of people don't dig much beneath the surface. tweetSP0RT
  • Score: 7

4:20pm Mon 26 May 14

contric says...

another ukip policy might be find a country in the middle east especially one that stabalises the area tell the public they have weapons of mass destruction send a lot of are fantastic soldiers over there to die and after we have acheived nothing we could withdraw andour leader could acqire 7 mansions and become a middle east peace envoy which could take his mind off the troops he sent out there to die and if anyone disputes they had weapons off mass destruction bump him off and pretend it was suicide dont think any leader could be that evil especialy one who knows god
another ukip policy might be find a country in the middle east especially one that stabalises the area tell the public they have weapons of mass destruction send a lot of are fantastic soldiers over there to die and after we have acheived nothing we could withdraw andour leader could acqire 7 mansions and become a middle east peace envoy which could take his mind off the troops he sent out there to die and if anyone disputes they had weapons off mass destruction bump him off and pretend it was suicide dont think any leader could be that evil especialy one who knows god contric
  • Score: 2

4:20pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today? breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

4:25pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?
Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think!
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?[/p][/quote]Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think! cj07589
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Mon 26 May 14

Glashen says...

G from Kinson wrote:
The state of politics in this country worries me!
Very few bother to vote and Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage are said to be the most popular politicians!
Yet when these two appeared as panellists on "Have I Got News For You " they were made to look foolish!
Is this really what this country wants?
I sincerely hope not!
I have to say if their performance on "Have I Got News For You" is the criteria for success and failure in UK politics I am very worried about the state of politics here as well. The truth may well be an election which has a poor turnout after a long period of economic downturn and political disillusionment for an institution which few have any enthusiasm for and even fewer can claim to understand may not be the best possible indication of what will happen in a General Election..
-
I suspect that line from a previous US presidential election campaign "IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID" (sorry to shout) will be the key to the next election.
[quote][p][bold]G from Kinson[/bold] wrote: The state of politics in this country worries me! Very few bother to vote and Boris Johnson & Nigel Farage are said to be the most popular politicians! Yet when these two appeared as panellists on "Have I Got News For You " they were made to look foolish! Is this really what this country wants? I sincerely hope not![/p][/quote]I have to say if their performance on "Have I Got News For You" is the criteria for success and failure in UK politics I am very worried about the state of politics here as well. The truth may well be an election which has a poor turnout after a long period of economic downturn and political disillusionment for an institution which few have any enthusiasm for and even fewer can claim to understand may not be the best possible indication of what will happen in a General Election.. - I suspect that line from a previous US presidential election campaign "IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID" (sorry to shout) will be the key to the next election. Glashen
  • Score: 1

4:39pm Mon 26 May 14

Glashen says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?
Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think!
It isn't one individual, admittedly they chucked them out as soon as they said something stupid that was until it was their own leader who put his foot in his mouth and said he didn't want any nationals of one country living next to him because some of them indulge in criminal activity, even his own spokesman tried to shut him up. Problem is too many don't see what is wrong with what he said.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?[/p][/quote]Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think![/p][/quote]It isn't one individual, admittedly they chucked them out as soon as they said something stupid that was until it was their own leader who put his foot in his mouth and said he didn't want any nationals of one country living next to him because some of them indulge in criminal activity, even his own spokesman tried to shut him up. Problem is too many don't see what is wrong with what he said. Glashen
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Mon 26 May 14

billy bumble says...

sberth wrote:
contric wrote:
another ukip policy might be find a country in the middle east especially one that stabalises the area tell the public they have weapons of mass destruction send a lot of are fantastic soldiers over there to die and after we have acheived nothing we could withdraw andour leader could acqire 7 mansions and become a middle east peace envoy which could take his mind off the troops he sent out there to die and if anyone disputes they had weapons off mass destruction bump him off and pretend it was suicide dont think any leader could be that evil especialy one who knows god
What you mean the party with 48 convicted paedophiles in it, linked arm in arm to BBC and Savil and the rest, the party that tried to legalise sex with children, that D-noticed the similar information behind Dunblane , that D-noticed operation Ore when it got to close to home also

....them you mean?

Just imagine what brainwashed deviants would vote for that record?
I hope you are able to back those claims up
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: another ukip policy might be find a country in the middle east especially one that stabalises the area tell the public they have weapons of mass destruction send a lot of are fantastic soldiers over there to die and after we have acheived nothing we could withdraw andour leader could acqire 7 mansions and become a middle east peace envoy which could take his mind off the troops he sent out there to die and if anyone disputes they had weapons off mass destruction bump him off and pretend it was suicide dont think any leader could be that evil especialy one who knows god[/p][/quote]What you mean the party with 48 convicted paedophiles in it, linked arm in arm to BBC and Savil and the rest, the party that tried to legalise sex with children, that D-noticed the similar information behind Dunblane , that D-noticed operation Ore when it got to close to home also ....them you mean? Just imagine what brainwashed deviants would vote for that record?[/p][/quote]I hope you are able to back those claims up billy bumble
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Mon 26 May 14

Baysider says...

cj07589 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
Yawn yawn yawn
I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.
Or alternately exposes the petty & limited mentality of the haters and critics??
In modern day jargon you've just been......... 'Pwned' & do have a nice day!
Eh? Some UKIP supporting numpty forwards on a rallying speech purportedly written by Nigel Farage which actually turns out to be the product of some Republican Hell's Angel. Someone who's one step away from joining the other nutcase survivalists hiding out in the mountains convinced that the Rapture is just around the corner and that the commies, coloureds and queers will be getting their comeuppance. It's sad, embarassing but equally laughable that despite this some posters actually agreed with the nonsense in it!

I think the term is 'owned' btw.

BOOM...
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]Yawn yawn yawn[/p][/quote]I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.[/p][/quote]Or alternately exposes the petty & limited mentality of the haters and critics?? In modern day jargon you've just been......... 'Pwned' & do have a nice day![/p][/quote]Eh? Some UKIP supporting numpty forwards on a rallying speech purportedly written by Nigel Farage which actually turns out to be the product of some Republican Hell's Angel. Someone who's one step away from joining the other nutcase survivalists hiding out in the mountains convinced that the Rapture is just around the corner and that the commies, coloureds and queers will be getting their comeuppance. It's sad, embarassing but equally laughable that despite this some posters actually agreed with the nonsense in it! I think the term is 'owned' btw. BOOM... Baysider
  • Score: -1

5:05pm Mon 26 May 14

billy bumble says...

sberth wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
sberth wrote:
contric wrote:
another ukip policy might be find a country in the middle east especially one that stabalises the area tell the public they have weapons of mass destruction send a lot of are fantastic soldiers over there to die and after we have acheived nothing we could withdraw andour leader could acqire 7 mansions and become a middle east peace envoy which could take his mind off the troops he sent out there to die and if anyone disputes they had weapons off mass destruction bump him off and pretend it was suicide dont think any leader could be that evil especialy one who knows god
What you mean the party with 48 convicted paedophiles in it, linked arm in arm to BBC and Savil and the rest, the party that tried to legalise sex with children, that D-noticed the similar information behind Dunblane , that D-noticed operation Ore when it got to close to home also

....them you mean?

Just imagine what brainwashed deviants would vote for that record?
I hope you are able to back those claims up
You got Google haven't you? It is all widely reported on for years. As for the 48 here's a list.

http://labour25.com/

labour25/
My apologies - what with the satire and irony in the 2 posts I got completely mixed up - I thought you were referring to UKIP

Yes indeed Labour are guilty of all those things

And once again apologies

( I wish we had emotis on this Board
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: another ukip policy might be find a country in the middle east especially one that stabalises the area tell the public they have weapons of mass destruction send a lot of are fantastic soldiers over there to die and after we have acheived nothing we could withdraw andour leader could acqire 7 mansions and become a middle east peace envoy which could take his mind off the troops he sent out there to die and if anyone disputes they had weapons off mass destruction bump him off and pretend it was suicide dont think any leader could be that evil especialy one who knows god[/p][/quote]What you mean the party with 48 convicted paedophiles in it, linked arm in arm to BBC and Savil and the rest, the party that tried to legalise sex with children, that D-noticed the similar information behind Dunblane , that D-noticed operation Ore when it got to close to home also ....them you mean? Just imagine what brainwashed deviants would vote for that record?[/p][/quote]I hope you are able to back those claims up[/p][/quote]You got Google haven't you? It is all widely reported on for years. As for the 48 here's a list. http://labour25.com/ labour25/[/p][/quote]My apologies - what with the satire and irony in the 2 posts I got completely mixed up - I thought you were referring to UKIP Yes indeed Labour are guilty of all those things And once again apologies ( I wish we had emotis on this Board billy bumble
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

5:10pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults. cj07589
  • Score: 4

5:15pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Hunter4 wrote:
Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way!
Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".
[quote][p][bold]Hunter4[/bold] wrote: Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way![/p][/quote]Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again". breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

5:17pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

Baysider wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Baysider wrote:
N Smith wrote:
Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages!
Nigel Farage UKIP

This is what he said:

"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,

And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....

We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom

If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,

And for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.

WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! !

If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"

Nigel Farage UKIP
Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.
Yawn yawn yawn
I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.
Or alternately exposes the petty & limited mentality of the haters and critics??
In modern day jargon you've just been......... 'Pwned' & do have a nice day!
Eh? Some UKIP supporting numpty forwards on a rallying speech purportedly written by Nigel Farage which actually turns out to be the product of some Republican Hell's Angel. Someone who's one step away from joining the other nutcase survivalists hiding out in the mountains convinced that the Rapture is just around the corner and that the commies, coloureds and queers will be getting their comeuppance. It's sad, embarassing but equally laughable that despite this some posters actually agreed with the nonsense in it!

I think the term is 'owned' btw.

BOOM...
I think you are slightly confused. Pwned is the new e-slang, didn't you know?boom boom....
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: Absolutely Brilliant one of the best e-mails in ages! Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said: "I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living. I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others. I believe in British products And buy them whenever I can. I believe the money I make belongs to me And not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work! I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit. I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority! I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option. I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to. My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!! I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!! I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it. I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country! This is ENGLAND..... We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country! If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems. I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one? I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are. And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good.... I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family! I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think! I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know.... We want our country back! My Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens. My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died in Afghanistan and Iraq. None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag. At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled. The students who took it down . West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them. What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough. This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand. I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country, And for the British flag. And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS ! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY ! This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration ! YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally: 1. Get a sponsor ! 2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past! 3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do 4. Get a job ! 5. Pay YOUR Taxes ! 6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it ! 7. Find a place to lay your head ! If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM ! We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone. WAKE UP BRITAIN! ! ! If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp ! Made in BRITAIN & **** PROUD OF IT!!!!!" AMEN" Nigel Farage UKIP[/p][/quote]Good grief. That pile of rubbish could just have been sent by Nick Griffin.[/p][/quote]Yawn yawn yawn[/p][/quote]I refer you to the original version kindly sourced and posted above but well done for exposing yet again the limited critical intellect of the average UKIP supporter.[/p][/quote]Or alternately exposes the petty & limited mentality of the haters and critics?? In modern day jargon you've just been......... 'Pwned' & do have a nice day![/p][/quote]Eh? Some UKIP supporting numpty forwards on a rallying speech purportedly written by Nigel Farage which actually turns out to be the product of some Republican Hell's Angel. Someone who's one step away from joining the other nutcase survivalists hiding out in the mountains convinced that the Rapture is just around the corner and that the commies, coloureds and queers will be getting their comeuppance. It's sad, embarassing but equally laughable that despite this some posters actually agreed with the nonsense in it! I think the term is 'owned' btw. BOOM...[/p][/quote]I think you are slightly confused. Pwned is the new e-slang, didn't you know?boom boom.... cj07589
  • Score: 1

5:19pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
contric wrote:
another ukip policy could be to do there best to scrap grammar and private schools and then sqeeze there kids in to them and justify it by saying their kids are dyslexic and need that sort of education i doubt it no-one would be that hypocritical
..or stick Ritalin in them while socially engineering the destruction of the traditional family. Instant mindless electorate, just add social benefits.
Entirely agree. Let's go back to the good old days of Victorian family morals, whereby you could ship the kids off to boarding school or leave them with the nannies whilst having the time of your lives. Got the maid pregnant, sack her without a reference, nobody will believe her. Yep, just what the country needs right now.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: another ukip policy could be to do there best to scrap grammar and private schools and then sqeeze there kids in to them and justify it by saying their kids are dyslexic and need that sort of education i doubt it no-one would be that hypocritical[/p][/quote]..or stick Ritalin in them while socially engineering the destruction of the traditional family. Instant mindless electorate, just add social benefits.[/p][/quote]Entirely agree. Let's go back to the good old days of Victorian family morals, whereby you could ship the kids off to boarding school or leave them with the nannies whilst having the time of your lives. Got the maid pregnant, sack her without a reference, nobody will believe her. Yep, just what the country needs right now. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

5:21pm Mon 26 May 14

cosmick says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.
If we got all them votes with no policies what will we get with the fantasssstic
mannefestoe we have commming!
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.[/p][/quote]If we got all them votes with no policies what will we get with the fantasssstic mannefestoe we have commming! cosmick
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?
Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think!
One individual? Right wing means right wing!!! You can't be anything else as you're not in the centre and you're certainly not on the left. Or do you not actually know where you are in the same way that you don't have any policies?
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?[/p][/quote]Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think![/p][/quote]One individual? Right wing means right wing!!! You can't be anything else as you're not in the centre and you're certainly not on the left. Or do you not actually know where you are in the same way that you don't have any policies? breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

5:25pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

cosmick wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.
If we got all them votes with no policies what will we get with the fantasssstic
mannefestoe we have commming!
So you admit you vote for a party with no policies. That's the blind leading the daft.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.[/p][/quote]If we got all them votes with no policies what will we get with the fantasssstic mannefestoe we have commming![/p][/quote]So you admit you vote for a party with no policies. That's the blind leading the daft. monkeydog
  • Score: 1

5:26pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
Hunter4 wrote:
Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way!
Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".
Well it's not exactly new news or a surprise that you'd know and be associated with a whole lot of out of touch far left liberals and still have the audacity to refer to UKIP supporters as brainless and uneducated.
On that last note I was wonder how many first class honours degrees you have? Do feel free to enlighten us with your aura of knowledge O ye magnificent noble one.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hunter4[/bold] wrote: Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way![/p][/quote]Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".[/p][/quote]Well it's not exactly new news or a surprise that you'd know and be associated with a whole lot of out of touch far left liberals and still have the audacity to refer to UKIP supporters as brainless and uneducated. On that last note I was wonder how many first class honours degrees you have? Do feel free to enlighten us with your aura of knowledge O ye magnificent noble one. cj07589
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?
Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think!
One individual? Right wing means right wing!!! You can't be anything else as you're not in the centre and you're certainly not on the left. Or do you not actually know where you are in the same way that you don't have any policies?
Epic fail for the dictionary understanding of 'Right Wing' in context to politics. Are you the by product of the nu-labour school of fine education by any chance? I fear explaining the subtleties of political pigeon holing may well be lost on you my pedigree pre-conditioned liberal friend.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?[/p][/quote]Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think![/p][/quote]One individual? Right wing means right wing!!! You can't be anything else as you're not in the centre and you're certainly not on the left. Or do you not actually know where you are in the same way that you don't have any policies?[/p][/quote]Epic fail for the dictionary understanding of 'Right Wing' in context to politics. Are you the by product of the nu-labour school of fine education by any chance? I fear explaining the subtleties of political pigeon holing may well be lost on you my pedigree pre-conditioned liberal friend. cj07589
  • Score: -1

5:38pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning.

While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.[/p][/quote]As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning. While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

5:45pm Mon 26 May 14

pete woodley says...

cj07589 wrote:
sberth wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality.

David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what!
Lol, Pwned.
Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.
Who is woodsedge ?.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".[/p][/quote]Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what![/p][/quote]Lol, Pwned.[/p][/quote]Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.[/p][/quote]Who is woodsedge ?. pete woodley
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Mon 26 May 14

contric says...

another ukip policy could be to try and keep people out of prison even if they have committed bad crimes we could instruct judges with guidelines so that killers who kill someone with a single punch for instance get 4 years but out in probably 2 max and after a short while any murderers armed robbers get them in an open prison and when they wander off and dont return we can pretend we are outraged and we will put a spokesman on tele to say lessons will be learnt crime down and everything is fine doubt if they will go for this policy
another ukip policy could be to try and keep people out of prison even if they have committed bad crimes we could instruct judges with guidelines so that killers who kill someone with a single punch for instance get 4 years but out in probably 2 max and after a short while any murderers armed robbers get them in an open prison and when they wander off and dont return we can pretend we are outraged and we will put a spokesman on tele to say lessons will be learnt crime down and everything is fine doubt if they will go for this policy contric
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning.

While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.
I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree.
Anything else you'd like add?
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.[/p][/quote]As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning. While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree. Anything else you'd like add? cj07589
  • Score: 3

5:58pm Mon 26 May 14

ksmain says...

cosmick wrote:
SCOTLAND UKIP SEAT GREAT.
I don't think many Scots want to be free from the UK - and this just confirms it. I will be highly surprised if Alex Salmond gets a 'Yes' mandate.

But it is another example of voters using UKIP as a protest vote.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: SCOTLAND UKIP SEAT GREAT.[/p][/quote]I don't think many Scots want to be free from the UK - and this just confirms it. I will be highly surprised if Alex Salmond gets a 'Yes' mandate. But it is another example of voters using UKIP as a protest vote. ksmain
  • Score: 1

6:03pm Mon 26 May 14

stevobath says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote

Dimwits need not apply.
How come borrowing has GONE UP under the current government then?
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote Dimwits need not apply.[/p][/quote]How come borrowing has GONE UP under the current government then? stevobath
  • Score: 4

6:05pm Mon 26 May 14

JamesYoung says...

contric wrote:
another ukip policy could be to try and keep people out of prison even if they have committed bad crimes we could instruct judges with guidelines so that killers who kill someone with a single punch for instance get 4 years but out in probably 2 max and after a short while any murderers armed robbers get them in an open prison and when they wander off and dont return we can pretend we are outraged and we will put a spokesman on tele to say lessons will be learnt crime down and everything is fine doubt if they will go for this policy
Another ukip policy "could be"?
What kind of an argument is that? Another Labour policy could be to shoot the intelligentsia, or force them to work in the fields. After all, that's what the Khmer Rouge did and they were left wing too.
However, prison needs to work. When you have a minute, have a look at Bastoy Prison in Norway. Full of murderers and rapists in what is essentially a holiday camp, and yet it has the lowest reoffending rate in Europe.
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: another ukip policy could be to try and keep people out of prison even if they have committed bad crimes we could instruct judges with guidelines so that killers who kill someone with a single punch for instance get 4 years but out in probably 2 max and after a short while any murderers armed robbers get them in an open prison and when they wander off and dont return we can pretend we are outraged and we will put a spokesman on tele to say lessons will be learnt crime down and everything is fine doubt if they will go for this policy[/p][/quote]Another ukip policy "could be"? What kind of an argument is that? Another Labour policy could be to shoot the intelligentsia, or force them to work in the fields. After all, that's what the Khmer Rouge did and they were left wing too. However, prison needs to work. When you have a minute, have a look at Bastoy Prison in Norway. Full of murderers and rapists in what is essentially a holiday camp, and yet it has the lowest reoffending rate in Europe. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

6:07pm Mon 26 May 14

JamesYoung says...

stevobath wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote

Dimwits need not apply.
How come borrowing has GONE UP under the current government then?
Poor economic policy focussed too much on reinflating an asset bubble, in part. However, you cannot ignore the fact that the Tories inherited a pile of debt, a shrinking work force and a financial crisis.
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote Dimwits need not apply.[/p][/quote]How come borrowing has GONE UP under the current government then?[/p][/quote]Poor economic policy focussed too much on reinflating an asset bubble, in part. However, you cannot ignore the fact that the Tories inherited a pile of debt, a shrinking work force and a financial crisis. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Mon 26 May 14

Yankee1 says...

Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley -

Farage wins as the more credible.
Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley - Farage wins as the more credible. Yankee1
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Mon 26 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions. JamesYoung
  • Score: 2

6:22pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

sberth wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Fascist :-)
Haha brilliant loving your skills brother.....
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.[/p][/quote]Fascist :-)[/p][/quote]Haha brilliant loving your skills brother..... cj07589
  • Score: 2

6:37pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Raining again, I just knew this would happen if UKIP won the elections. Hum, for some strange reason I have a strong sense of deja vu.
Raining again, I just knew this would happen if UKIP won the elections. Hum, for some strange reason I have a strong sense of deja vu. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

6:41pm Mon 26 May 14

cj07589 says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Hi James I didn't have you down as a right conservative!! :-D
Have the thought police banned opinion? I need to pinch myself to make sure I'm still not in the Great People's Republic of China though the irony is that Britain used to be great consistently on the world stage now reduced to the doormat of Europe with minimal say on a multitude of important issues that will no doubt have far reaching consequence on the fabric of British society. I welcome sensible rational debate free but concur this isn't the venue to get debating fulfilment.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.[/p][/quote]Hi James I didn't have you down as a right conservative!! :-D Have the thought police banned opinion? I need to pinch myself to make sure I'm still not in the Great People's Republic of China though the irony is that Britain used to be great consistently on the world stage now reduced to the doormat of Europe with minimal say on a multitude of important issues that will no doubt have far reaching consequence on the fabric of British society. I welcome sensible rational debate free but concur this isn't the venue to get debating fulfilment. cj07589
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Mon 26 May 14

bettysenior says...

It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people?

http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/05/the-
european-union-eu-is
-heading.html
It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people? http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/05/the- european-union-eu-is -heading.html bettysenior
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Mon 26 May 14

bettysenior says...

It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people?

http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/05/the-
european-union-eu-is
-heading.html
It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people? http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/05/the- european-union-eu-is -heading.html bettysenior
  • Score: 1

6:43pm Mon 26 May 14

bettysenior says...

It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people?

http://worldinnovati
onfoundation.blogspo
t.co.uk/2014/05/the-
european-union-eu-is
-heading.html
It does not matter which politician or party gets in power, this EU project will not bring hardly any prosperity for 90% of the people of Europe including the UK (indeed economic decline has been the case for nearly 10-years now in real terms taking inflation into account - basically has been going the same way as Japan with 20-years of economic stagnation), but just for the 10% rich as usual (that's why the politicians are leading us down the garden path as the servants of the mighty corporations). Indeed the cost to the EU taxpayer is astronomical and where every one of the 751 MEPs can receive €615,660 a year and look forward to a lump sum pension pot of €303,195. That's times 751 of course and where it is a mere drop in the ocean of the total cost of the EU. Some main-stream media outlets have said incredibly up 1000 billion Euro a year and where 'Translation' cost alone are pushing €1.5 billion a year. But a recent report by Civitas - The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society, stated that 'trade' between the UK and EU countries had not changed percentage wise since 1973, so what's the point for all this vast European taxpayer's investment when it has not given any extra back to the wealth of the people? http://worldinnovati onfoundation.blogspo t.co.uk/2014/05/the- european-union-eu-is -heading.html bettysenior
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Hunter4 wrote:
Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way!
Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".
Well it's not exactly new news or a surprise that you'd know and be associated with a whole lot of out of touch far left liberals and still have the audacity to refer to UKIP supporters as brainless and uneducated.
On that last note I was wonder how many first class honours degrees you have? Do feel free to enlighten us with your aura of knowledge O ye magnificent noble one.
I have an engineering degree, was a full Member of the British Computer Society and Chartered Engineer until ill health forced me out of work and hence into giving up the payments. If I hadn't drifted into engineering and computing I'd have been a historian as it was and still is my favourite subject.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hunter4[/bold] wrote: Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way![/p][/quote]Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".[/p][/quote]Well it's not exactly new news or a surprise that you'd know and be associated with a whole lot of out of touch far left liberals and still have the audacity to refer to UKIP supporters as brainless and uneducated. On that last note I was wonder how many first class honours degrees you have? Do feel free to enlighten us with your aura of knowledge O ye magnificent noble one.[/p][/quote]I have an engineering degree, was a full Member of the British Computer Society and Chartered Engineer until ill health forced me out of work and hence into giving up the payments. If I hadn't drifted into engineering and computing I'd have been a historian as it was and still is my favourite subject. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

6:49pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cosmick wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.
If we got all them votes with no policies what will we get with the fantasssstic
mannefestoe we have commming!
No votes at all as people will finally be able to see UKIP for what you are, nothing at all really.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]Lost what argument? There's nothing to argue about. You refuse point blank to discuss UKIP policies as you simply haven't got any to discuss, but you've still managed to win the European elections. As usual you'll get hammered at the General Election.[/p][/quote]If we got all them votes with no policies what will we get with the fantasssstic mannefestoe we have commming![/p][/quote]No votes at all as people will finally be able to see UKIP for what you are, nothing at all really. breamoreboy
  • Score: -5

6:49pm Mon 26 May 14

ksmain says...

cj07589 wrote:
sberth wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Fascist :-)
Haha brilliant loving your skills brother.....
But isn't that the job of the schools and the politicians, James?

Half the people can't be bothered - hence the low turnouts. What was the turnout this times - 34%? So UKIP won 27% of it so it won 9.1% of the UK VOTE as a mandate. If you were the Board Of Directors of a UK company you would need 51% of a vote to get a general resolution passed. Just proves my point about apathy and people not voting. And the local elections turnout was also poor - especially in London.

IMO people should have an opinion and VOTE for that which is closet to it. I agree on your point about knowledge about how things run James - but ignorance is no excuse either.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.[/p][/quote]Fascist :-)[/p][/quote]Haha brilliant loving your skills brother.....[/p][/quote]But isn't that the job of the schools and the politicians, James? Half the people can't be bothered - hence the low turnouts. What was the turnout this times - 34%? So UKIP won 27% of it so it won 9.1% of the UK VOTE as a mandate. If you were the Board Of Directors of a UK company you would need 51% of a vote to get a general resolution passed. Just proves my point about apathy and people not voting. And the local elections turnout was also poor - especially in London. IMO people should have an opinion and VOTE for that which is closet to it. I agree on your point about knowledge about how things run James - but ignorance is no excuse either. ksmain
  • Score: 2

6:52pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
pauls55 wrote:
How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.
Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?
Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?
Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think!
One individual? Right wing means right wing!!! You can't be anything else as you're not in the centre and you're certainly not on the left. Or do you not actually know where you are in the same way that you don't have any policies?
Epic fail for the dictionary understanding of 'Right Wing' in context to politics. Are you the by product of the nu-labour school of fine education by any chance? I fear explaining the subtleties of political pigeon holing may well be lost on you my pedigree pre-conditioned liberal friend.
Please, I can cope with most things but liberal, now that's extremely funny even by my standards.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauls55[/bold] wrote: How sad that we live in a country with so many gullible simpletons or nasty racist bigots who are the core supporters of Ukip.[/p][/quote]Pathetic meaningless slurs from a dictating coward sat hiding behind a keyboard. Not exactly mr tolerant yourself? Bigoted ignorance must be bliss for you?[/p][/quote]Gay marriage caused the rain, Lenny Henry go to a black country, Islam is evil, people should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea, but we're not right wing, racist or homphobic, really we're not. Any comments cj, or are you wearing your XXXL size gutless coward hat again today?[/p][/quote]Pathetic so in your world what one individual says mean the whole party has the same opinion?? Absolutely pathetic your a very sad basic individual if that's what you think![/p][/quote]One individual? Right wing means right wing!!! You can't be anything else as you're not in the centre and you're certainly not on the left. Or do you not actually know where you are in the same way that you don't have any policies?[/p][/quote]Epic fail for the dictionary understanding of 'Right Wing' in context to politics. Are you the by product of the nu-labour school of fine education by any chance? I fear explaining the subtleties of political pigeon holing may well be lost on you my pedigree pre-conditioned liberal friend.[/p][/quote]Please, I can cope with most things but liberal, now that's extremely funny even by my standards. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning.

While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.
Your Source the BBC..I takje it that was your idea of humour

Why do you insist on everyone being something they have not claimed to be or saying something they have not said. Can you not control yourself?
I'm sorry I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, please explain.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.[/p][/quote]As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning. While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.[/p][/quote]Your Source the BBC..I takje it that was your idea of humour Why do you insist on everyone being something they have not claimed to be or saying something they have not said. Can you not control yourself?[/p][/quote]I'm sorry I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about, please explain. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

7:01pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning.

While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.
I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree.
Anything else you'd like add?
To what, my views on UKIP are well known, as are my views on all political parties and politicians, they're all a waste of space, which was why I took the trouble to go to the polling station and deliberately spoil my vote.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.[/p][/quote]As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning. While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree. Anything else you'd like add?[/p][/quote]To what, my views on UKIP are well known, as are my views on all political parties and politicians, they're all a waste of space, which was why I took the trouble to go to the polling station and deliberately spoil my vote. breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

7:15pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

stevobath wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote

Dimwits need not apply.
How come borrowing has GONE UP under the current government then?
Political expediency? Another classic example of do as a say, not as I do. Give them an inch and they'd take a couple of trillion light years.
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: Greens are irrelevant, Labour will bankrupt this country again. Perhaps there should be a 'driving test' style exam before people are allowed to vote Dimwits need not apply.[/p][/quote]How come borrowing has GONE UP under the current government then?[/p][/quote]Political expediency? Another classic example of do as a say, not as I do. Give them an inch and they'd take a couple of trillion light years. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

7:18pm Mon 26 May 14

ksmain says...

breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning.

While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.
I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree.
Anything else you'd like add?
To what, my views on UKIP are well known, as are my views on all political parties and politicians, they're all a waste of space, which was why I took the trouble to go to the polling station and deliberately spoil my vote.
Kind of proves my point about apathy on voting that I mentioned about. Does little to add to the argument - you are just wasting your own time. I don't like a lot of the idiots we have representing our country, but they do. And they are supposed to represent the people - but they won't represent the people's choice unless the people vote for them and childishly go and spoil their vote when the opportunity arises.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.[/p][/quote]As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning. While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree. Anything else you'd like add?[/p][/quote]To what, my views on UKIP are well known, as are my views on all political parties and politicians, they're all a waste of space, which was why I took the trouble to go to the polling station and deliberately spoil my vote.[/p][/quote]Kind of proves my point about apathy on voting that I mentioned about. Does little to add to the argument - you are just wasting your own time. I don't like a lot of the idiots we have representing our country, but they do. And they are supposed to represent the people - but they won't represent the people's choice unless the people vote for them and childishly go and spoil their vote when the opportunity arises. ksmain
  • Score: 5

7:19pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Yankee1 wrote:
Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley -

Farage wins as the more credible.
Thank you for that, It stopped me in my tracks for a few seconds before the penny finally dropped :-)
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley - Farage wins as the more credible.[/p][/quote]Thank you for that, It stopped me in my tracks for a few seconds before the penny finally dropped :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

7:20pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Oh come on James, where's the fun in that?
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.[/p][/quote]Oh come on James, where's the fun in that? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
Hunter4 wrote:
Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way!
Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".
Well it's not exactly new news or a surprise that you'd know and be associated with a whole lot of out of touch far left liberals and still have the audacity to refer to UKIP supporters as brainless and uneducated.
On that last note I was wonder how many first class honours degrees you have? Do feel free to enlighten us with your aura of knowledge O ye magnificent noble one.
I have an engineering degree, was a full Member of the British Computer Society and Chartered Engineer until ill health forced me out of work and hence into giving up the payments. If I hadn't drifted into engineering and computing I'd have been a historian as it was and still is my favourite subject.
What next, dicks out on the table or peeing against a wall ?
Siggy Stardust I take it?
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hunter4[/bold] wrote: Thats what you get Mr Clegg when you trade in your party's morals, beliefs and policies for four six figure salaries in the cabinet. Its a shame you had to learn the hard way![/p][/quote]Beautifully put, thanks for that!!! I've been astounded by the number of people I know who voted for Clegg & Co at the last General Election but have said "never again".[/p][/quote]Well it's not exactly new news or a surprise that you'd know and be associated with a whole lot of out of touch far left liberals and still have the audacity to refer to UKIP supporters as brainless and uneducated. On that last note I was wonder how many first class honours degrees you have? Do feel free to enlighten us with your aura of knowledge O ye magnificent noble one.[/p][/quote]I have an engineering degree, was a full Member of the British Computer Society and Chartered Engineer until ill health forced me out of work and hence into giving up the payments. If I hadn't drifted into engineering and computing I'd have been a historian as it was and still is my favourite subject.[/p][/quote]What next, dicks out on the table or peeing against a wall ?[/p][/quote]Siggy Stardust I take it? breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

7:28pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?
Yes, very funny, ho, ho, ho.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.[/p][/quote]Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?[/p][/quote]Yes, very funny, ho, ho, ho. breamoreboy
  • Score: 1

7:32pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

ksmain wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK!
Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.
At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting.

I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.
Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument.
Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?
There's only one e in 'plebs'.
A man after my own hart.
There's an e in heart. :)
I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)
It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.
As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning.

While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.
I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree.
Anything else you'd like add?
To what, my views on UKIP are well known, as are my views on all political parties and politicians, they're all a waste of space, which was why I took the trouble to go to the polling station and deliberately spoil my vote.
Kind of proves my point about apathy on voting that I mentioned about. Does little to add to the argument - you are just wasting your own time. I don't like a lot of the idiots we have representing our country, but they do. And they are supposed to represent the people - but they won't represent the people's choice unless the people vote for them and childishly go and spoil their vote when the opportunity arises.
How can the person I vote for give me my choice when they're tied by the party whip?
[quote][p][bold]ksmain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Great night, if these results are anything to go by, WE MAY GET OUR COUNTRY BACK! Thanks to all who helped UKIP do so well. More to come.[/p][/quote]At least this time you've managed to post without making any spelling mistakes in our language, although you still insist on shouting. I'm looking forward to all the tears from UKIP supporters at the General Election, and the accompanying excuses about the lies, smears and innuendo that always goes with anything that opposes UKIP.[/p][/quote]Resorting to correcting spelling and grammar, the sure sign that you've lost the argument. Take heart in knowing that I'm shedding crocodile tears thinking how hard done by you really are. Was there anything else you'd care to dictate to the rest of us multiple post graduate degree qualified brain dead plebes please?[/p][/quote]There's only one e in 'plebs'.[/p][/quote]A man after my own hart.[/p][/quote]There's an e in heart. :)[/p][/quote]I know that, you know that, but the average uneducated UKIP supporter doesn't know that :-)[/p][/quote]It's silly comments like this that sums it up really. When you finally grow up please come and join the adults.[/p][/quote]As you're clearly the expert on everything please explain the statistics that shows support for UKIP is lower in areas where people are better educated. My source, watching the BBC election coverage last night and this morning. While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe, in my opinion best done within Europe as part of the original EEC. I want no part in European (political) Union, it's complete and utter cobblers.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying nor have I ever said that I'm a expert at anything, I am mearly challenging your stereotypical branding of UKIP supporters. So according to your lordship, like all UKIP supporters I'm uneducated and brain dead with a silly old first class Masters degree. Anything else you'd like add?[/p][/quote]To what, my views on UKIP are well known, as are my views on all political parties and politicians, they're all a waste of space, which was why I took the trouble to go to the polling station and deliberately spoil my vote.[/p][/quote]Kind of proves my point about apathy on voting that I mentioned about. Does little to add to the argument - you are just wasting your own time. I don't like a lot of the idiots we have representing our country, but they do. And they are supposed to represent the people - but they won't represent the people's choice unless the people vote for them and childishly go and spoil their vote when the opportunity arises.[/p][/quote]How can the person I vote for give me my choice when they're tied by the party whip? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Mon 26 May 14

Minty Fresh says...

Absolutely brilliant news for Great Britain. I hope with all my heart that the momentum UKIP have built up recently carries through to the general election next year and they come to power, ousting the tired Tories and putting the British people first instead of every other nation in Europe. This great country doesn't need Europe, end of.
Absolutely brilliant news for Great Britain. I hope with all my heart that the momentum UKIP have built up recently carries through to the general election next year and they come to power, ousting the tired Tories and putting the British people first instead of every other nation in Europe. This great country doesn't need Europe, end of. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 6

7:58pm Mon 26 May 14

darthradi says...

afcb-mark wrote:
darthradi wrote:
DarioVerde wrote:
Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.
Finally someone says something like this. Everyone says get us out of EU but they don't say what next. When i asked my colleagues at work why do u want UK out of EU the say i quote. UK is not part of Europe/? So where is it i asked? Still didn't get any answer. Next one say i don't want common market because England is an island. What kind of reason is this i don't know. All of them say we pay millions of pounds every day into EU, but they have no idea what we getting back. Free trade, EU negotiate prices for gas, electronics from China and Korea, protect Europe from influence of Chinese market etc. Next thing is someone must work for future pensions (young people from Eastern Europe) and they do jobs that British people don't want to do. People say that NHS and schools is not doing well because all the foreigners. I'm paying my taxes so where the money goes? Why not to NHS or schools? So please don't blame EU for everything it's not great but we must stay together look what's happening in Russia, China trying to influence more market around the world and they building bigger army. If Europe separate now we will give them what they want so they can push us back in a corner.
Terrible English grammar. Let's be honest...I don't think you have clue regards what you are saying. You talk about Eastern Europeans doing the jobs English people don't want, What utter nonsense. Eastern Europeans have driven wages down in many jobs beyond the reach of the English man/woman to provide for their families. I have worked with Eastern Europeans and many share the same flat even to the extent of one getting out of bed to go to work for the one who's just finished their shift to get into it. They then send the majority of their money back to their homeland where many have left their children who are looked after by relatives. Multiple occupancies in a two bed flat bring their share of the rent down. Is that what the English should now be doing in order to keep a roof over their heads and provide for their families. Stop calling the English lazy, get off their backs and look at the bigger picture. Stop disrespecting the very people who's country you have chosen to come and live in. The vast majority of British people are not lazy, they are simply finding it increasingly difficult to swim against the tide in their own country. The To be honest it is bloody shameful the way the British people have been treated by their so called leaders.
First of all. I've never said that all British people are lazy. I've been working with many of them and they were very hard working people. And I've also met some really lazy ones. My grammar might be terrible for u but English is my second language and I'm still learning, trust me I have no problems having fluent conversation. If u fluently speak any other languages apart from English good for u. What I was trying to say we are not all the same as not all British are lazy not all Eastern Europeans are the same. Some of them bring shame to the rest of us and I'm sure there are Britons that bring shame to u to.
The truth is that there are jobs that British people don't want to do so foreigners must do them
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]darthradi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DarioVerde[/bold] wrote: Out of interest has any body looked at the UKIP policies? I know that it general we think that the other parties are a joke but UKIP policies read like a fairy tale. e.g we will increase the army (where does the money come from), we will ditch Europe and reengage with the common wealth( have the shown any signs that they want to engage with their ex-colonial masters?), no immigration (who will pay the taxes to enable the government to pay peoples pensions - we are all having less children) (who will do all of the menial tasks that English people won't do?). The list goes on. Apart from some jingoistic flag waving about getting out of Europe (something that big business thinks is a crazy idea), show me a policy that UKIP have costed and that is possible. We can all say ' I am going to make everything better' but doing it is a different matter.[/p][/quote]Finally someone says something like this. Everyone says get us out of EU but they don't say what next. When i asked my colleagues at work why do u want UK out of EU the say i quote. UK is not part of Europe/? So where is it i asked? Still didn't get any answer. Next one say i don't want common market because England is an island. What kind of reason is this i don't know. All of them say we pay millions of pounds every day into EU, but they have no idea what we getting back. Free trade, EU negotiate prices for gas, electronics from China and Korea, protect Europe from influence of Chinese market etc. Next thing is someone must work for future pensions (young people from Eastern Europe) and they do jobs that British people don't want to do. People say that NHS and schools is not doing well because all the foreigners. I'm paying my taxes so where the money goes? Why not to NHS or schools? So please don't blame EU for everything it's not great but we must stay together look what's happening in Russia, China trying to influence more market around the world and they building bigger army. If Europe separate now we will give them what they want so they can push us back in a corner.[/p][/quote]Terrible English grammar. Let's be honest...I don't think you have clue regards what you are saying. You talk about Eastern Europeans doing the jobs English people don't want, What utter nonsense. Eastern Europeans have driven wages down in many jobs beyond the reach of the English man/woman to provide for their families. I have worked with Eastern Europeans and many share the same flat even to the extent of one getting out of bed to go to work for the one who's just finished their shift to get into it. They then send the majority of their money back to their homeland where many have left their children who are looked after by relatives. Multiple occupancies in a two bed flat bring their share of the rent down. Is that what the English should now be doing in order to keep a roof over their heads and provide for their families. Stop calling the English lazy, get off their backs and look at the bigger picture. Stop disrespecting the very people who's country you have chosen to come and live in. The vast majority of British people are not lazy, they are simply finding it increasingly difficult to swim against the tide in their own country. The To be honest it is bloody shameful the way the British people have been treated by their so called leaders.[/p][/quote]First of all. I've never said that all British people are lazy. I've been working with many of them and they were very hard working people. And I've also met some really lazy ones. My grammar might be terrible for u but English is my second language and I'm still learning, trust me I have no problems having fluent conversation. If u fluently speak any other languages apart from English good for u. What I was trying to say we are not all the same as not all British are lazy not all Eastern Europeans are the same. Some of them bring shame to the rest of us and I'm sure there are Britons that bring shame to u to. The truth is that there are jobs that British people don't want to do so foreigners must do them darthradi
  • Score: -5

8:21pm Mon 26 May 14

fireflier says...

So even after UKIP have coloured the whole of England purple on the BBC map those tired old politechickens in the Tory Party are still squeeking about 'We will promise a referendum, sometime, maybe, once we have peesed about trying to renegotiate something out of Europe.
Others in their mob just whine 'We didn't get our message across!'

Sorry ...but your message sucks ...and what are you trying to promise anyway?

As for Labour ..... Not a word about what they might do with the EU!

LibDems ...... Want to stay in Europe and just put up with anything that may come their way .....ENOUGH SAID.

UKIP are letting the people say 'WATCH MY LIPS!' ..... We have had enough of EU rules, EU drain on our resources ...Eu constraints on our political life .....EU freedom for anyone and everyone to come into our country and squeeze our health, housing, social, and education services till the pips squeek.

Tories/Labour/Lib Dems and others.....Sit down in a quiet corner and think about what the British people are telling you.
You are OUR representatives ....... NOT a vehicle for playing whatever game you choose.
So even after UKIP have coloured the whole of England purple on the BBC map those tired old politechickens in the Tory Party are still squeeking about 'We will promise a referendum, sometime, maybe, once we have peesed about trying to renegotiate something out of Europe. Others in their mob just whine 'We didn't get our message across!' Sorry ...but your message sucks ...and what are you trying to promise anyway? As for Labour ..... Not a word about what they might do with the EU! LibDems ...... Want to stay in Europe and just put up with anything that may come their way .....ENOUGH SAID. UKIP are letting the people say 'WATCH MY LIPS!' ..... We have had enough of EU rules, EU drain on our resources ...Eu constraints on our political life .....EU freedom for anyone and everyone to come into our country and squeeze our health, housing, social, and education services till the pips squeek. Tories/Labour/Lib Dems and others.....Sit down in a quiet corner and think about what the British people are telling you. You are OUR representatives ....... NOT a vehicle for playing whatever game you choose. fireflier
  • Score: 5

8:28pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

Yankee1 wrote:
Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley -

Farage wins as the more credible.
it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley - Farage wins as the more credible.[/p][/quote]it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist." monkeydog
  • Score: 1

8:32pm Mon 26 May 14

Ahtafcb says...

Im saddened that the people of bournemouth seem to have fallen for ukips 'policies', and despite nigel farrage being close to jeremy clarkson in dislikeability, people actually trust in him as a political leader. For those that voted ukip in 'protest' towards the main parties, i understand you being fed up with them, as am i , but whhy not actually vote for a party that wants to achieve something, e.g Green party, or just dont vote at alll! It seems that its mostly the ' elders' of the this town that have fallen for ukip, as having spoken to the younger genoration here in bournemouth, luckily they are all intelligent enough to realise the stupidity of this party! Their policies are unrealistic and they dont seem to realise the benefits of being in the EU far outwiegh the negatives! A good sign for sure, as the youth are are the ones who are our future, at least they seem to see sense, and dont just try to blame our economic problems on foreigners or the EU. having read all comments in here, i can count the intelligent ones on one hand , for the rest of you ukip lovers, try reading abit into the rise of the nazi party in germany, see if you can spot any similarities.....
Im saddened that the people of bournemouth seem to have fallen for ukips 'policies', and despite nigel farrage being close to jeremy clarkson in dislikeability, people actually trust in him as a political leader. For those that voted ukip in 'protest' towards the main parties, i understand you being fed up with them, as am i , but whhy not actually vote for a party that wants to achieve something, e.g Green party, or just dont vote at alll! It seems that its mostly the ' elders' of the this town that have fallen for ukip, as having spoken to the younger genoration here in bournemouth, luckily they are all intelligent enough to realise the stupidity of this party! Their policies are unrealistic and they dont seem to realise the benefits of being in the EU far outwiegh the negatives! A good sign for sure, as the youth are are the ones who are our future, at least they seem to see sense, and dont just try to blame our economic problems on foreigners or the EU. having read all comments in here, i can count the intelligent ones on one hand , for the rest of you ukip lovers, try reading abit into the rise of the nazi party in germany, see if you can spot any similarities..... Ahtafcb
  • Score: -1

8:40pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

monkeydog wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley -

Farage wins as the more credible.
it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."
What's this, yet more lies, smear and innuendo? :-)
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley - Farage wins as the more credible.[/p][/quote]it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."[/p][/quote]What's this, yet more lies, smear and innuendo? :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?
Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe"

I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.
Didn't realise at first that it was Same Old Same Old Siggy. With any luck you'll be thrown off of the Bournemouth Echo web site in the same way you've repeatedly been thrown off of the Dorset Echo website.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.[/p][/quote]Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe" I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.[/p][/quote]Didn't realise at first that it was Same Old Same Old Siggy. With any luck you'll be thrown off of the Bournemouth Echo web site in the same way you've repeatedly been thrown off of the Dorset Echo website. breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

8:44pm Mon 26 May 14

monkeydog says...

breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley -

Farage wins as the more credible.
it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."
What's this, yet more lies, smear and innuendo? :-)
It's in the Guardian but I didn't want to mention that for fear of being branded a gin-sodden leftist socialist England hating whore of a liar. Or even someone who can READ!
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley - Farage wins as the more credible.[/p][/quote]it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."[/p][/quote]What's this, yet more lies, smear and innuendo? :-)[/p][/quote]It's in the Guardian but I didn't want to mention that for fear of being branded a gin-sodden leftist socialist England hating whore of a liar. Or even someone who can READ! monkeydog
  • Score: -1

9:18pm Mon 26 May 14

wayneofafcb says...

Looks like the people of the South-West have voted for another bunch of golf club members. Do the ordinary people really think the upper middle classes who have been voted in as MEPs will look after Joe Average??
Will UKIP build more houses, or whisper it, council houses, for the vast bulk of the population who cant buy houses now right wing free markets who boosted house prices to the ceiling?
Will UKIP abolish zero hour contracts? Will they ensure extra funding for the hard pressed NHS? More schools? No. They are extreme Tories.
If we kick out Johnny Foreigner, will we then see millions of ex-pat Brits forced to return if we leave the EU?
I see no clear policies that will improve the lot of the average person in the UK.
Looks like the people of the South-West have voted for another bunch of golf club members. Do the ordinary people really think the upper middle classes who have been voted in as MEPs will look after Joe Average?? Will UKIP build more houses, or whisper it, council houses, for the vast bulk of the population who cant buy houses now right wing free markets who boosted house prices to the ceiling? Will UKIP abolish zero hour contracts? Will they ensure extra funding for the hard pressed NHS? More schools? No. They are extreme Tories. If we kick out Johnny Foreigner, will we then see millions of ex-pat Brits forced to return if we leave the EU? I see no clear policies that will improve the lot of the average person in the UK. wayneofafcb
  • Score: -1

9:29pm Mon 26 May 14

nothingtofear says...

contric wrote:
another ukip policy could be to do there best to scrap grammar and private schools and then sqeeze there kids in to them and justify it by saying their kids are dyslexic and need that sort of education i doubt it no-one would be that hypocritical
Perhaps they could teach your kids the spelling and punctuation that so obviously passed you by.
[quote][p][bold]contric[/bold] wrote: another ukip policy could be to do there best to scrap grammar and private schools and then sqeeze there kids in to them and justify it by saying their kids are dyslexic and need that sort of education i doubt it no-one would be that hypocritical[/p][/quote]Perhaps they could teach your kids the spelling and punctuation that so obviously passed you by. nothingtofear
  • Score: -1

9:31pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=f4fQDAyl
4GU perhaps the most accurate take on UKIP that I've seen yet. Please note this health and safety warning, you could bust a gut laughing!!!
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=f4fQDAyl 4GU perhaps the most accurate take on UKIP that I've seen yet. Please note this health and safety warning, you could bust a gut laughing!!! breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

9:37pm Mon 26 May 14

JamesYoung says...

cj07589 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Hi James I didn't have you down as a right conservative!! :-D
Have the thought police banned opinion? I need to pinch myself to make sure I'm still not in the Great People's Republic of China though the irony is that Britain used to be great consistently on the world stage now reduced to the doormat of Europe with minimal say on a multitude of important issues that will no doubt have far reaching consequence on the fabric of British society. I welcome sensible rational debate free but concur this isn't the venue to get debating fulfilment.
Haha, the comment wasn't directed at you (or, on this occasion, Sigrid). I am just getting sick to death of people posting half baked comments about Europe when they clearly have little understanding. I didn't vote UKIP, but i think the Europe question needs to be debated properly and answered, but instead the little puppets come on here and spout whatever nonsense they've read, including made up letters.
Here's a prediction (not about Europe). Osborne is talking about pulling the plug on Help to Buy. People will now be rushing out to buy before it is withdrawn, even though it is very likely we are now on the edge of a property crash. The reason i make this point is that most people are utterly unable to see what is good for them and will vote based on whatever short term opioid their chosen politician offers up. Just imagine how great this country would be if people understood. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems would be damned as, to a lesser extent, would Farage and his buy-to-let rent seeking leadership team. I suspect we'd have real "public servants" in Parliament, who were there for idealogical reasons.
[quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.[/p][/quote]Hi James I didn't have you down as a right conservative!! :-D Have the thought police banned opinion? I need to pinch myself to make sure I'm still not in the Great People's Republic of China though the irony is that Britain used to be great consistently on the world stage now reduced to the doormat of Europe with minimal say on a multitude of important issues that will no doubt have far reaching consequence on the fabric of British society. I welcome sensible rational debate free but concur this isn't the venue to get debating fulfilment.[/p][/quote]Haha, the comment wasn't directed at you (or, on this occasion, Sigrid). I am just getting sick to death of people posting half baked comments about Europe when they clearly have little understanding. I didn't vote UKIP, but i think the Europe question needs to be debated properly and answered, but instead the little puppets come on here and spout whatever nonsense they've read, including made up letters. Here's a prediction (not about Europe). Osborne is talking about pulling the plug on Help to Buy. People will now be rushing out to buy before it is withdrawn, even though it is very likely we are now on the edge of a property crash. The reason i make this point is that most people are utterly unable to see what is good for them and will vote based on whatever short term opioid their chosen politician offers up. Just imagine how great this country would be if people understood. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems would be damned as, to a lesser extent, would Farage and his buy-to-let rent seeking leadership team. I suspect we'd have real "public servants" in Parliament, who were there for idealogical reasons. JamesYoung
  • Score: 4

9:39pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

monkeydog wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
monkeydog wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley -

Farage wins as the more credible.
it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."
What's this, yet more lies, smear and innuendo? :-)
It's in the Guardian but I didn't want to mention that for fear of being branded a gin-sodden leftist socialist England hating whore of a liar. Or even someone who can READ!
Careful, don't admit to that or you'll be one of the first to get the knock on the door at midnight.

Different track, how about a really great theme for a Hollywood blockbuster. It would be a film combining Kristallnacht II - The Sequel with Fahrenheit 451. It'd be a wonderful way of making loads of money, but I wouldn't watch it myself, just couldn't lower myself to sitting with all the UKIP supporters really enjoying it. And thinking of it as Things To Come.
[quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monkeydog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Not a fan of UKIP, but given a choice between Farage and Beesley - Farage wins as the more credible.[/p][/quote]it's interesting that Alan Sked, who founded UKIP as a centrist, moderate party and who has since disowned the current incarnation, has described Farage as " the kind of person people are voting for when they vote Ukip. Why does anyone have time for this creature? He's a dimwitted racist."[/p][/quote]What's this, yet more lies, smear and innuendo? :-)[/p][/quote]It's in the Guardian but I didn't want to mention that for fear of being branded a gin-sodden leftist socialist England hating whore of a liar. Or even someone who can READ![/p][/quote]Careful, don't admit to that or you'll be one of the first to get the knock on the door at midnight. Different track, how about a really great theme for a Hollywood blockbuster. It would be a film combining Kristallnacht II - The Sequel with Fahrenheit 451. It'd be a wonderful way of making loads of money, but I wouldn't watch it myself, just couldn't lower myself to sitting with all the UKIP supporters really enjoying it. And thinking of it as Things To Come. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

9:40pm Mon 26 May 14

Top Gear says...

Ahtafcb wrote:
Im saddened that the people of bournemouth seem to have fallen for ukips 'policies', and despite nigel farrage being close to jeremy clarkson in dislikeability, people actually trust in him as a political leader. For those that voted ukip in 'protest' towards the main parties, i understand you being fed up with them, as am i , but whhy not actually vote for a party that wants to achieve something, e.g Green party, or just dont vote at alll! It seems that its mostly the ' elders' of the this town that have fallen for ukip, as having spoken to the younger genoration here in bournemouth, luckily they are all intelligent enough to realise the stupidity of this party! Their policies are unrealistic and they dont seem to realise the benefits of being in the EU far outwiegh the negatives! A good sign for sure, as the youth are are the ones who are our future, at least they seem to see sense, and dont just try to blame our economic problems on foreigners or the EU. having read all comments in here, i can count the intelligent ones on one hand , for the rest of you ukip lovers, try reading abit into the rise of the nazi party in germany, see if you can spot any similarities.....
Ha Ha....Another numpty comparing UKIP to the rise of the Nazi party..
[quote][p][bold]Ahtafcb[/bold] wrote: Im saddened that the people of bournemouth seem to have fallen for ukips 'policies', and despite nigel farrage being close to jeremy clarkson in dislikeability, people actually trust in him as a political leader. For those that voted ukip in 'protest' towards the main parties, i understand you being fed up with them, as am i , but whhy not actually vote for a party that wants to achieve something, e.g Green party, or just dont vote at alll! It seems that its mostly the ' elders' of the this town that have fallen for ukip, as having spoken to the younger genoration here in bournemouth, luckily they are all intelligent enough to realise the stupidity of this party! Their policies are unrealistic and they dont seem to realise the benefits of being in the EU far outwiegh the negatives! A good sign for sure, as the youth are are the ones who are our future, at least they seem to see sense, and dont just try to blame our economic problems on foreigners or the EU. having read all comments in here, i can count the intelligent ones on one hand , for the rest of you ukip lovers, try reading abit into the rise of the nazi party in germany, see if you can spot any similarities.....[/p][/quote]Ha Ha....Another numpty comparing UKIP to the rise of the Nazi party.. Top Gear
  • Score: 4

9:40pm Mon 26 May 14

nothingtofear says...

pete woodley wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
sberth wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality.

David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what!
Lol, Pwned.
Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.
Who is woodsedge ?.
I was thinking the same thing Pete. It seems that Paul55 is being accused of the heinous sin of having multiple accounts on the Echo website by a new poster who seems to have created an account to specifically comment on this story.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".[/p][/quote]Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what![/p][/quote]Lol, Pwned.[/p][/quote]Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.[/p][/quote]Who is woodsedge ?.[/p][/quote]I was thinking the same thing Pete. It seems that Paul55 is being accused of the heinous sin of having multiple accounts on the Echo website by a new poster who seems to have created an account to specifically comment on this story. nothingtofear
  • Score: 0

9:46pm Mon 26 May 14

Parkstreetshufle says...

JamesYoung wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc.
Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.
Hi James I didn't have you down as a right conservative!! :-D
Have the thought police banned opinion? I need to pinch myself to make sure I'm still not in the Great People's Republic of China though the irony is that Britain used to be great consistently on the world stage now reduced to the doormat of Europe with minimal say on a multitude of important issues that will no doubt have far reaching consequence on the fabric of British society. I welcome sensible rational debate free but concur this isn't the venue to get debating fulfilment.
Haha, the comment wasn't directed at you (or, on this occasion, Sigrid). I am just getting sick to death of people posting half baked comments about Europe when they clearly have little understanding. I didn't vote UKIP, but i think the Europe question needs to be debated properly and answered, but instead the little puppets come on here and spout whatever nonsense they've read, including made up letters.
Here's a prediction (not about Europe). Osborne is talking about pulling the plug on Help to Buy. People will now be rushing out to buy before it is withdrawn, even though it is very likely we are now on the edge of a property crash. The reason i make this point is that most people are utterly unable to see what is good for them and will vote based on whatever short term opioid their chosen politician offers up. Just imagine how great this country would be if people understood. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems would be damned as, to a lesser extent, would Farage and his buy-to-let rent seeking leadership team. I suspect we'd have real "public servants" in Parliament, who were there for idealogical reasons.
The common man is too stupid to vote? - well we may as well give all the power to the queen and let her rule by divine right, because we know that works right...
I've seen you comments in the past and they are generally quite well mannered, and constructive. If I were to base my opinion on your comments here I would have to assume you are a complete a*se. Whats with the bad attitude all of a sudden?
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Most of the comments on here have just succeeded in convincing me that the vote should be taken away from about 90% of the populace, who are too easily swayed by sound bites, have no comprehension of how government works, how the public sector is funded, how the banking system works, how capital markets work, how the EU works, etc, etc, etc. Seriously guys, do some research before voicing opinions.[/p][/quote]Hi James I didn't have you down as a right conservative!! :-D Have the thought police banned opinion? I need to pinch myself to make sure I'm still not in the Great People's Republic of China though the irony is that Britain used to be great consistently on the world stage now reduced to the doormat of Europe with minimal say on a multitude of important issues that will no doubt have far reaching consequence on the fabric of British society. I welcome sensible rational debate free but concur this isn't the venue to get debating fulfilment.[/p][/quote]Haha, the comment wasn't directed at you (or, on this occasion, Sigrid). I am just getting sick to death of people posting half baked comments about Europe when they clearly have little understanding. I didn't vote UKIP, but i think the Europe question needs to be debated properly and answered, but instead the little puppets come on here and spout whatever nonsense they've read, including made up letters. Here's a prediction (not about Europe). Osborne is talking about pulling the plug on Help to Buy. People will now be rushing out to buy before it is withdrawn, even though it is very likely we are now on the edge of a property crash. The reason i make this point is that most people are utterly unable to see what is good for them and will vote based on whatever short term opioid their chosen politician offers up. Just imagine how great this country would be if people understood. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems would be damned as, to a lesser extent, would Farage and his buy-to-let rent seeking leadership team. I suspect we'd have real "public servants" in Parliament, who were there for idealogical reasons.[/p][/quote]The common man is too stupid to vote? - well we may as well give all the power to the queen and let her rule by divine right, because we know that works right... I've seen you comments in the past and they are generally quite well mannered, and constructive. If I were to base my opinion on your comments here I would have to assume you are a complete a*se. Whats with the bad attitude all of a sudden? Parkstreetshufle
  • Score: -2

10:56pm Mon 26 May 14

Minty Fresh says...

sberth wrote:
Minty Fresh wrote:
Absolutely brilliant news for Great Britain. I hope with all my heart that the momentum UKIP have built up recently carries through to the general election next year and they come to power, ousting the tired Tories and putting the British people first instead of every other nation in Europe. This great country doesn't need Europe, end of.
Well said, shame some in the country don't have the guts, faith, self belief and foresight to see Britain is great and we can do it and do it better out of Europe, out of its handcuffs and weights that hold us down.
**** straight my friend. Stuff Europe! We can trade every bit as successfully without them despite what the lying politicians say! Paid off liars the lot of them. Nigel Farage for PM.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Minty Fresh[/bold] wrote: Absolutely brilliant news for Great Britain. I hope with all my heart that the momentum UKIP have built up recently carries through to the general election next year and they come to power, ousting the tired Tories and putting the British people first instead of every other nation in Europe. This great country doesn't need Europe, end of.[/p][/quote]Well said, shame some in the country don't have the guts, faith, self belief and foresight to see Britain is great and we can do it and do it better out of Europe, out of its handcuffs and weights that hold us down.[/p][/quote]**** straight my friend. Stuff Europe! We can trade every bit as successfully without them despite what the lying politicians say! Paid off liars the lot of them. Nigel Farage for PM. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 3

11:02pm Mon 26 May 14

woodsedge says...

nothingtofear wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
sberth wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality.

David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what!
Lol, Pwned.
Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.
Who is woodsedge ?.
I was thinking the same thing Pete. It seems that Paul55 is being accused of the heinous sin of having multiple accounts on the Echo website by a new poster who seems to have created an account to specifically comment on this story.
Hi, I am indeed woodsedge and I can assure you that I only have the one account on the Dorset Echo. sberth is also a regular poster on the Dorset Echo who is constantly banned for inappropriate comments, lies and misogynistic rambling's. He was banned last week on three separate occasions (Sigurd Hoeberth, Sigurd Hoeberth 2 & woodys wife) and here is a sample of the comments he made last week on the Dorset Echo regarding my wife (who isn't a poster and doesn't know him):

"So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me.

Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife.

I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, I'll make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used,

Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me".

Apologies for hijacking the thread but I only felt it fare to paul55 to clear up the multiple accounts claim.
[quote][p][bold]nothingtofear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".[/p][/quote]Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what![/p][/quote]Lol, Pwned.[/p][/quote]Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.[/p][/quote]Who is woodsedge ?.[/p][/quote]I was thinking the same thing Pete. It seems that Paul55 is being accused of the heinous sin of having multiple accounts on the Echo website by a new poster who seems to have created an account to specifically comment on this story.[/p][/quote]Hi, I am indeed woodsedge and I can assure you that I only have the one account on the Dorset Echo. sberth is also a regular poster on the Dorset Echo who is constantly banned for inappropriate comments, lies and misogynistic rambling's. He was banned last week on three separate occasions (Sigurd Hoeberth, Sigurd Hoeberth 2 & woodys wife) and here is a sample of the comments he made last week on the Dorset Echo regarding my wife (who isn't a poster and doesn't know him): "So you will not repeat the abusive comments you made regarding my wife and you have chosen to continue hiding behind your keyboard? I think that says more about you than it does me. Secondly the thread was about UKIP MEP's and not men's rights and you chose to hijack the discussion and twist into an abusive, offensive attack on my wife. I can only assume that you are embarrassed about using such phrases as " send her to Siggy, I'll make her all wet, spank her botty" and all the other sexual innuendos you used, Just remember you had the opportunity to be the man you pretend to be and you decided to continue running your mouth behind your computer. I am not going away and I will continue to comment on the issues that are if interest to me". Apologies for hijacking the thread but I only felt it fare to paul55 to clear up the multiple accounts claim. woodsedge
  • Score: -4

11:04pm Mon 26 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Rocksalt wrote:
Well, any referendum is a few years away, but on the basis of tonight's early results, one might reasonably assume that a majority would vote in favour of staying in. If people really want to get out of Europe I think it's fair to say they would vote for UKIP. Most haven't.
Most people didn't vote Lib Dem or Tory last general election on that basis.
.
Also Scameron gave a solemn pledge for a referendum in the last general election. He and his party are rotten lying scum!
.
These elections actually show are much fairer representation of opinion because they're not based on their area
.
Tory's desperate plan is now scare people "vote UKIP and you'll get Labour". Sod them UKIP's support has KO'd their expectations .
.
I hope we'll have a UKIP government in a year and not 6 years now!.
[quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: Well, any referendum is a few years away, but on the basis of tonight's early results, one might reasonably assume that a majority would vote in favour of staying in. If people really want to get out of Europe I think it's fair to say they would vote for UKIP. Most haven't.[/p][/quote]Most people didn't vote Lib Dem or Tory last general election on that basis. . Also Scameron gave a solemn pledge for a referendum in the last general election. He and his party are rotten lying scum! . These elections actually show are much fairer representation of opinion because they're not based on their area . Tory's desperate plan is now scare people "vote UKIP and you'll get Labour". Sod them UKIP's support has KO'd their expectations . . I hope we'll have a UKIP government in a year and not 6 years now!. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 3

11:39pm Mon 26 May 14

breamoreboy says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Rocksalt wrote:
Well, any referendum is a few years away, but on the basis of tonight's early results, one might reasonably assume that a majority would vote in favour of staying in. If people really want to get out of Europe I think it's fair to say they would vote for UKIP. Most haven't.
Most people didn't vote Lib Dem or Tory last general election on that basis.
.
Also Scameron gave a solemn pledge for a referendum in the last general election. He and his party are rotten lying scum!
.
These elections actually show are much fairer representation of opinion because they're not based on their area
.
Tory's desperate plan is now scare people "vote UKIP and you'll get Labour". Sod them UKIP's support has KO'd their expectations .
.
I hope we'll have a UKIP government in a year and not 6 years now!.
British politicians don't tell lies any more, nowadays they spin things.

Early this morning on the BBC they were discussing whether the PM might be forced into a pact with UKIP at the General Election. This would stop the UKIP/Con vote from being split. Hence Labour would be kept out.

I never want to see a neo-Nazi party like UKIP in power in this country
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rocksalt[/bold] wrote: Well, any referendum is a few years away, but on the basis of tonight's early results, one might reasonably assume that a majority would vote in favour of staying in. If people really want to get out of Europe I think it's fair to say they would vote for UKIP. Most haven't.[/p][/quote]Most people didn't vote Lib Dem or Tory last general election on that basis. . Also Scameron gave a solemn pledge for a referendum in the last general election. He and his party are rotten lying scum! . These elections actually show are much fairer representation of opinion because they're not based on their area . Tory's desperate plan is now scare people "vote UKIP and you'll get Labour". Sod them UKIP's support has KO'd their expectations . . I hope we'll have a UKIP government in a year and not 6 years now!.[/p][/quote]British politicians don't tell lies any more, nowadays they spin things. Early this morning on the BBC they were discussing whether the PM might be forced into a pact with UKIP at the General Election. This would stop the UKIP/Con vote from being split. Hence Labour would be kept out. I never want to see a neo-Nazi party like UKIP in power in this country breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

2:04am Tue 27 May 14

HDI says...

sberth wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?
Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe"

I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.
You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.[/p][/quote]Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe" I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.[/p][/quote]You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations? HDI
  • Score: 3

8:12am Tue 27 May 14

Glashen says...

HDI wrote:
sberth wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?
Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe"

I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.
You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?
For gods sake man, don't give them facts, they won't be able to cope.
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I'm not even sure what coming out of the EU means anymore we already have opt outs in many areas and a rebate on our contributions. Everyone knows our relationship with the EU has changed as a result of Euro so in the coming years we will have to negotiate new terms for the future whoever is in government. It is just that some politicians have already decided to insist on "leaving" whatever that means, we will still be a close trading partner to Europe, maybe all those ex pats living in Spain will have to come back home when we close our borders to the young and vibrant EU citizens who want to work here.
[quote][p][bold]HDI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.[/p][/quote]Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe" I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.[/p][/quote]You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?[/p][/quote]For gods sake man, don't give them facts, they won't be able to cope. - I'm not even sure what coming out of the EU means anymore we already have opt outs in many areas and a rebate on our contributions. Everyone knows our relationship with the EU has changed as a result of Euro so in the coming years we will have to negotiate new terms for the future whoever is in government. It is just that some politicians have already decided to insist on "leaving" whatever that means, we will still be a close trading partner to Europe, maybe all those ex pats living in Spain will have to come back home when we close our borders to the young and vibrant EU citizens who want to work here. Glashen
  • Score: 0

9:23am Tue 27 May 14

ronfogg says...

ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies. ronfogg
  • Score: 3

9:28am Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
HDI wrote:
sberth wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?
Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe"

I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.
You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?
The fact is it is we get little say in the rules and regs of the EU right now and we are in it. They dictate what we can/how manufacture and run our business and no government so far , has the the backbone to do something about it. In the EU we also have to be held back by their regulations when manufacturing stuff and doing business with the rest of the world . The rest of the World is much bigger than the EU and we could easily match the trade we do with the EU and then some, if we are in the EU however, they will not have us doing that because they want to use us and keep us in line.
Are these rules on manufacturing in the EU the same as UKIP policies, i.e. nonexistent?
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HDI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.[/p][/quote]Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe" I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.[/p][/quote]You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?[/p][/quote]The fact is it is we get little say in the rules and regs of the EU right now and we are in it. They dictate what we can/how manufacture and run our business and no government so far , has the the backbone to do something about it. In the EU we also have to be held back by their regulations when manufacturing stuff and doing business with the rest of the world . The rest of the World is much bigger than the EU and we could easily match the trade we do with the EU and then some, if we are in the EU however, they will not have us doing that because they want to use us and keep us in line.[/p][/quote]Are these rules on manufacturing in the EU the same as UKIP policies, i.e. nonexistent? breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

9:34am Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
You've been shouted down by extremists from an extremist party who don't know any better. Did you expect flowers or boxes of chocolates from the supporters of such an obnxious organisation?
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]You've been shouted down by extremists from an extremist party who don't know any better. Did you expect flowers or boxes of chocolates from the supporters of such an obnxious organisation? breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

9:55am Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
You've been shouted down by extremists from an extremist party who don't know any better. Did you expect flowers or boxes of chocolates from the supporters of such an obnxious organisation?
Yes even James young is an extremist now, being scolded by one of the gobbyy minority for not following the party line and refusing to adhere to Newspeak, How dare he express an independent thought !

I guess now they will have to put a dunce cap on him and pour ink over him.
ronfogg said "As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies." I have replied to ronfogg talking about UKIP being extremist, and you've somehow translated that into "Yes even James young is an extremist now". Please explain your logic. And I do mean explain it, not duck out in your usual manner with something like "well, if you don't understand...".
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]You've been shouted down by extremists from an extremist party who don't know any better. Did you expect flowers or boxes of chocolates from the supporters of such an obnxious organisation?[/p][/quote]Yes even James young is an extremist now, being scolded by one of the gobbyy minority for not following the party line and refusing to adhere to Newspeak, How dare he express an independent thought ! I guess now they will have to put a dunce cap on him and pour ink over him.[/p][/quote]ronfogg said "As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies." I have replied to ronfogg talking about UKIP being extremist, and you've somehow translated that into "Yes even James young is an extremist now". Please explain your logic. And I do mean explain it, not duck out in your usual manner with something like "well, if you don't understand...". breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

9:59am Tue 27 May 14

G from Kinson says...

ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters!
Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores!
Perhaps they all have multiple accounts?
Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker!
Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !!
I see fairies at the bottom of my garden!
Wait for the negatives!
[quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters! Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores! Perhaps they all have multiple accounts? Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker! Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !! I see fairies at the bottom of my garden! Wait for the negatives! G from Kinson
  • Score: 2

10:01am Tue 27 May 14

pauls55 says...

nothingtofear wrote:
pete woodley wrote:
cj07589 wrote:
sberth wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
breamoreboy wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".
Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what!
Lol, Pwned.
Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.
Who is woodsedge ?.
I was thinking the same thing Pete. It seems that Paul55 is being accused of the heinous sin of having multiple accounts on the Echo website by a new poster who seems to have created an account to specifically comment on this story.
To put the record straight, I am not sad enough to open multiple accounts and I am baffled by being labelled an angry person who hates everything.I am very patriotic and am also quite happy living in our multi-cultural society. I just dislike Ukips distored propaganda of blaming every problem in this country on immigration and the EU and despite the recent election the vast majority of people still do not support them either, thank god.
[quote][p][bold]nothingtofear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cj07589[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: I'd like to congratulate all UKIP supporters for voting in people such as this "Ukip MEP Roger Helmer: People should be able to dislike homosexuality like they do different types of tea".[/p][/quote]Perhaps you have been reading a little too much of the trumped up 'establishment' propaganda about UKIP and it's allegedly negative position on homosexuality. David Coburn who today has been confirmed as UKIP's first Scottish MEP is, like very many UKIP members, voters and candidates, a proud and openly gay man. Or to put it a better way to mirror UKIP's true position in this matter - so what![/p][/quote]Lol, Pwned.[/p][/quote]Yes entirely, enjoying some of the other holy than thou comments here. Especially angry Paul55, wonder if there is connection to Woodsedge and his multiple echo accounts. The mr angry campaigns continues, how they hate everything and anything it's very sad.[/p][/quote]Who is woodsedge ?.[/p][/quote]I was thinking the same thing Pete. It seems that Paul55 is being accused of the heinous sin of having multiple accounts on the Echo website by a new poster who seems to have created an account to specifically comment on this story.[/p][/quote]To put the record straight, I am not sad enough to open multiple accounts and I am baffled by being labelled an angry person who hates everything.I am very patriotic and am also quite happy living in our multi-cultural society. I just dislike Ukips distored propaganda of blaming every problem in this country on immigration and the EU and despite the recent election the vast majority of people still do not support them either, thank god. pauls55
  • Score: 4

10:06am Tue 27 May 14

Glashen says...

sberth wrote:
HDI wrote:
sberth wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.
Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe.

If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.
Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?
Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe"

I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.
You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?
The fact is it is we get little say in the rules and regs of the EU right now and we are in it. They dictate what we can/how manufacture and run our business and no government so far , has the the backbone to do something about it. In the EU we also have to be held back by their regulations when manufacturing stuff and doing business with the rest of the world . The rest of the World is much bigger than the EU and we could easily match the trade we do with the EU and then some, if we are in the EU however, they will not have us doing that because they want to use us and keep us in line.
I'm tempted to say little say is better than no say at all, but I don't agree we have little say, don't believe everything you read. More to the point the EU is the largest economic block, the largest trading group and the no1 in trade with 80 countries, the us has that position with 20, where do you think we would be on our own. We actually are in the best position we could be part of the decision makers in the EU but able to opt out of what we don't like, problem us Ukip wants us out regardless the test want to pretend we're full members which we haven't been for years.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HDI[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Also why do you think UKIP does not want to trade with Europe, that is not the case. If you want an answer to younger peoples thinking, look no further than our schools and Universities, awash with left wing indoctrine, all quite deliberate.[/p][/quote]Sorry but would you be kind enough to highlight exactly where I've made any claim that UKIP doesn't want to trade with Europe. If as a result of all this alleged indoctrination we close all of our schools and universities then everybody will be uneducated so that means a one party state, i.e. UKIP.[/p][/quote]Now your not making any sense, commenting on a comment that is completely unrelated?[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you was bring old comments to the fore, you said, "While I'm at it, your support is far stronger in older rather than younger people. I'd like to inform those older people that we no longer have an empire, so trading with the rest of the world no longer involves negotiating with the aid of a two or three gunboats or a couple of regiments of the British Army. Hence we need trade with Europe" I am saying we traded with them before, we trade with them now and we can trade with them even when out of Europe. We do not need to be in Europe to trade with Europe, especially when Europe is setting all the laws we trade under.[/p][/quote]You do realise that non-EU members have to conform to EU regulations when trading with EU members but have absolutely no say in developing the regulations?[/p][/quote]The fact is it is we get little say in the rules and regs of the EU right now and we are in it. They dictate what we can/how manufacture and run our business and no government so far , has the the backbone to do something about it. In the EU we also have to be held back by their regulations when manufacturing stuff and doing business with the rest of the world . The rest of the World is much bigger than the EU and we could easily match the trade we do with the EU and then some, if we are in the EU however, they will not have us doing that because they want to use us and keep us in line.[/p][/quote]I'm tempted to say little say is better than no say at all, but I don't agree we have little say, don't believe everything you read. More to the point the EU is the largest economic block, the largest trading group and the no1 in trade with 80 countries, the us has that position with 20, where do you think we would be on our own. We actually are in the best position we could be part of the decision makers in the EU but able to opt out of what we don't like, problem us Ukip wants us out regardless the test want to pretend we're full members which we haven't been for years. Glashen
  • Score: 1

10:11am Tue 27 May 14

woodsedge says...

If James Young ever stood as an independant candidate he would get my vote!
If James Young ever stood as an independant candidate he would get my vote! woodsedge
  • Score: -1

10:39am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
@sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem? Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 2

10:42am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

I'm pleased to see an increase in the number of women in the European Parliament.
I'm pleased to see an increase in the number of women in the European Parliament. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 0

10:44am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

sberth wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
You might think they are improvements, many would argue they are not.
Please enlighten us as to why they are not.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]You might think they are improvements, many would argue they are not.[/p][/quote]Please enlighten us as to why they are not. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 1

10:44am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

sberth wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
You might think they are improvements, many would argue they are not.
Please enlighten us as to why they are not.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]You might think they are improvements, many would argue they are not.[/p][/quote]Please enlighten us as to why they are not. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 0

11:16am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

Ah, so because your hoover packed up, it's all the fault of the EU?

Yes, there are hundreds of thousand of products, but there are far fewer common themes.

So abandon your ignorance and bluster, and stand by to be educated:

You may be aware that your motor is manufactured to a number of ISO standards.

Those standards cover everything from the manufacturer’s Quality procedures, right through the method of testing.

The components and sub assemblies – having been bought-in by a reputable manufacturer will almost certainly also be manufactured to ISO standards.

You are probably thinking how much better the motor would be had it been manufactured to a British Standard... so let's continue...

The International Standards Organisation is based in Geneva, and was founded in 1947, and now has 164 national member countries.

It has a rotating committee of 20 member bodies.
It has 250 technical committees who develop the standards.

The UK is of course a member, and the British Standards Institute is responsible for the UK publication of those standards.

Where ISO standards and old British standards perform the same function, the ISO standard is adopted.

Despite this, nothing is foolproof. And failure can come from poor design, poor assembly, misuse, etc.. Don’t blame the EU for your poorly Hover Motor, blame Hoover ... and perhaps you need a good woman to show you how to use it.
Ah, so because your hoover packed up, it's all the fault of the EU? Yes, there are hundreds of thousand of products, but there are far fewer common themes. So abandon your ignorance and bluster, and stand by to be educated: You may be aware that your motor is manufactured to a number of ISO standards. Those standards cover everything from the manufacturer’s Quality procedures, right through the method of testing. The components and sub assemblies – having been bought-in by a reputable manufacturer will almost certainly also be manufactured to ISO standards. You are probably thinking how much better the motor would be had it been manufactured to a British Standard... so let's continue... The International Standards Organisation is based in Geneva, and was founded in 1947, and now has 164 national member countries. It has a rotating committee of 20 member bodies. It has 250 technical committees who develop the standards. The UK is of course a member, and the British Standards Institute is responsible for the UK publication of those standards. Where ISO standards and old British standards perform the same function, the ISO standard is adopted. Despite this, nothing is foolproof. And failure can come from poor design, poor assembly, misuse, etc.. Don’t blame the EU for your poorly Hover Motor, blame Hoover ... and perhaps you need a good woman to show you how to use it. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 3

11:25am Tue 27 May 14

billy bumble says...

Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever

Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan
[quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan billy bumble
  • Score: 0

11:31am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

sberth wrote:
Did it pack up? No so why make up stuff?

It was a brand new one that conformed it's wattage as dictated by EU standards and despite what you believe power is everything in such machinery, design can only compensate so much. You still end up with an inferior product. Meanwhile British made products like Henry's are being phased out, something that is hugely superior.

Your tone say's it all.
You really do believe that you are correct in everything you say, believe only what you want to believe, and take no notice of anything top the contrary.

Quite sad.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Did it pack up? No so why make up stuff? It was a brand new one that conformed it's wattage as dictated by EU standards and despite what you believe power is everything in such machinery, design can only compensate so much. You still end up with an inferior product. Meanwhile British made products like Henry's are being phased out, something that is hugely superior. Your tone say's it all.[/p][/quote]You really do believe that you are correct in everything you say, believe only what you want to believe, and take no notice of anything top the contrary. Quite sad. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 2

11:34am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

billy bumble wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever

Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan
Here is some information for you.

http://ec.europa.eu/
energy/lumen/editori
al/index_en.htm
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan[/p][/quote]Here is some information for you. http://ec.europa.eu/ energy/lumen/editori al/index_en.htm Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 2

11:35am Tue 27 May 14

mooninpisces says...

Blind Watchmaker wrote:
I'm pleased to see an increase in the number of women in the European Parliament.
3 thumbs down for this comment in less than an hour.

Is this a fair reflection of UKIP attitudes to women?
[quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: I'm pleased to see an increase in the number of women in the European Parliament.[/p][/quote]3 thumbs down for this comment in less than an hour. Is this a fair reflection of UKIP attitudes to women? mooninpisces
  • Score: -1

11:48am Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

sberth wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
billy bumble wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever

Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan
Here is some information for you.

http://ec.europa.eu/


energy/lumen/editori


al/index_en.htm
Your source: the European commission website, those doing the dictating...priceles

s !
To ISO standards.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan[/p][/quote]Here is some information for you. http://ec.europa.eu/ energy/lumen/editori al/index_en.htm[/p][/quote]Your source: the European commission website, those doing the dictating...priceles s ![/p][/quote]To ISO standards. Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 0

11:59am Tue 27 May 14

Baysider says...

sberth wrote:
http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/news/worldnew

s/europe/eu/10423431

/EU-energy-saving-ru

les-cut-power-of-vac

uum-cleaners.html

Without EU dictatorship and free form their communistic practices we could easily sell what would then be our superior products to the rest of the World, while the EU languishes with rubbish that does not work. This applies to hundreds of thousands of items.

We used to invent and build nearly everything once and was a by-word for quality. We can be again.
**** those pesky kids...sorry bureaucrats...at the EU for their interfering laws on product safety, energy saving, food, working hours, maternity leave, etc, etc. If it weren't for them we could for them we could go back to stuffing our teddy bears with medical waste and stick children back up chimneys like a proper country can.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/europe/eu/10423431 /EU-energy-saving-ru les-cut-power-of-vac uum-cleaners.html Without EU dictatorship and free form their communistic practices we could easily sell what would then be our superior products to the rest of the World, while the EU languishes with rubbish that does not work. This applies to hundreds of thousands of items. We used to invent and build nearly everything once and was a by-word for quality. We can be again.[/p][/quote]**** those pesky kids...sorry bureaucrats...at the EU for their interfering laws on product safety, energy saving, food, working hours, maternity leave, etc, etc. If it weren't for them we could for them we could go back to stuffing our teddy bears with medical waste and stick children back up chimneys like a proper country can. Baysider
  • Score: 5

11:59am Tue 27 May 14

Baysider says...

sberth wrote:
http://www.telegraph

.co.uk/news/worldnew

s/europe/eu/10423431

/EU-energy-saving-ru

les-cut-power-of-vac

uum-cleaners.html

Without EU dictatorship and free form their communistic practices we could easily sell what would then be our superior products to the rest of the World, while the EU languishes with rubbish that does not work. This applies to hundreds of thousands of items.

We used to invent and build nearly everything once and was a by-word for quality. We can be again.
**** those pesky kids...sorry bureaucrats...at the EU for their interfering laws on product safety, energy saving, food, working hours, maternity leave, etc, etc. If it weren't for them we could for them we could go back to stuffing our teddy bears with medical waste and stick children back up chimneys like a proper country can.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/europe/eu/10423431 /EU-energy-saving-ru les-cut-power-of-vac uum-cleaners.html Without EU dictatorship and free form their communistic practices we could easily sell what would then be our superior products to the rest of the World, while the EU languishes with rubbish that does not work. This applies to hundreds of thousands of items. We used to invent and build nearly everything once and was a by-word for quality. We can be again.[/p][/quote]**** those pesky kids...sorry bureaucrats...at the EU for their interfering laws on product safety, energy saving, food, working hours, maternity leave, etc, etc. If it weren't for them we could for them we could go back to stuffing our teddy bears with medical waste and stick children back up chimneys like a proper country can. Baysider
  • Score: 5

12:18pm Tue 27 May 14

JamesYoung says...

billy bumble wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever

Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan
It would certainly be interesting to investigate further. My observation is that they seem to contain more health affecting pollutants...and they don't seem to last as long.
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]I personally think that the ban on incandescent light bulbs is the biggest con ever Hugely more expensive , much poorer performance and not a great gain in lifespan[/p][/quote]It would certainly be interesting to investigate further. My observation is that they seem to contain more health affecting pollutants...and they don't seem to last as long. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

12:19pm Tue 27 May 14

JamesYoung says...

Baysider wrote:
sberth wrote:
http://www.telegraph


.co.uk/news/worldnew


s/europe/eu/10423431


/EU-energy-saving-ru


les-cut-power-of-vac


uum-cleaners.html

Without EU dictatorship and free form their communistic practices we could easily sell what would then be our superior products to the rest of the World, while the EU languishes with rubbish that does not work. This applies to hundreds of thousands of items.

We used to invent and build nearly everything once and was a by-word for quality. We can be again.
**** those pesky kids...sorry bureaucrats...at the EU for their interfering laws on product safety, energy saving, food, working hours, maternity leave, etc, etc. If it weren't for them we could for them we could go back to stuffing our teddy bears with medical waste and stick children back up chimneys like a proper country can.
Yup, because that's just how things used to work in 1984.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/worldnew s/europe/eu/10423431 /EU-energy-saving-ru les-cut-power-of-vac uum-cleaners.html Without EU dictatorship and free form their communistic practices we could easily sell what would then be our superior products to the rest of the World, while the EU languishes with rubbish that does not work. This applies to hundreds of thousands of items. We used to invent and build nearly everything once and was a by-word for quality. We can be again.[/p][/quote]**** those pesky kids...sorry bureaucrats...at the EU for their interfering laws on product safety, energy saving, food, working hours, maternity leave, etc, etc. If it weren't for them we could for them we could go back to stuffing our teddy bears with medical waste and stick children back up chimneys like a proper country can.[/p][/quote]Yup, because that's just how things used to work in 1984. JamesYoung
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Tue 27 May 14

bogtrotter says...

How many comments about light bulbs? Hilarious. The email doing the rounds from Farage sums it up, absolute quality. The real shame is that there will be people that read that believing it to be a BNP style statement, it's categorically not. The trouble is, putting those words in to practice will be harder as so much damage has been done. The Tories are doing their best and doing well at repairing the economy Labour created, let's see if UKIP can repair Labour's immigration failures as well. Tough one.
How many comments about light bulbs? Hilarious. The email doing the rounds from Farage sums it up, absolute quality. The real shame is that there will be people that read that believing it to be a BNP style statement, it's categorically not. The trouble is, putting those words in to practice will be harder as so much damage has been done. The Tories are doing their best and doing well at repairing the economy Labour created, let's see if UKIP can repair Labour's immigration failures as well. Tough one. bogtrotter
  • Score: -1

12:52pm Tue 27 May 14

JamesYoung says...

For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes.
The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries.
Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them.
Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere).
Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door).
The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle.
If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member.
This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now.
Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else.
I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.
For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes. The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries. Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them. Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere). Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door). The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle. If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member. This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now. Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else. I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration. JamesYoung
  • Score: -1

1:00pm Tue 27 May 14

bogtrotter says...

JamesYoung wrote:
For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes.
The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries.
Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them.
Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere).
Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door).
The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle.
If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member.
This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now.
Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else.
I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.
You are asking for left and right to unite. I understand where you're coming from but the delta between the 2 is what makes politics what it is. If everyone agreed on everything etc etc. Nice post, probably wasted on many I'd suggest as you didn't mention light bulbs :)
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes. The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries. Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them. Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere). Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door). The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle. If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member. This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now. Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else. I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.[/p][/quote]You are asking for left and right to unite. I understand where you're coming from but the delta between the 2 is what makes politics what it is. If everyone agreed on everything etc etc. Nice post, probably wasted on many I'd suggest as you didn't mention light bulbs :) bogtrotter
  • Score: -1

1:58pm Tue 27 May 14

JamesYoung says...

bogtrotter wrote:
JamesYoung wrote:
For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes.
The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries.
Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them.
Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere).
Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door).
The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle.
If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member.
This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now.
Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else.
I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.
You are asking for left and right to unite. I understand where you're coming from but the delta between the 2 is what makes politics what it is. If everyone agreed on everything etc etc. Nice post, probably wasted on many I'd suggest as you didn't mention light bulbs :)
I agree. But actually the European Parliament does work slightly differently to national parliaments in that there is room for cross boundary agreement.
If the two could only see that their concerns are the same in this area and this area alone,it would level the playing field.
[quote][p][bold]bogtrotter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes. The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries. Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them. Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere). Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door). The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle. If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member. This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now. Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else. I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.[/p][/quote]You are asking for left and right to unite. I understand where you're coming from but the delta between the 2 is what makes politics what it is. If everyone agreed on everything etc etc. Nice post, probably wasted on many I'd suggest as you didn't mention light bulbs :)[/p][/quote]I agree. But actually the European Parliament does work slightly differently to national parliaments in that there is room for cross boundary agreement. If the two could only see that their concerns are the same in this area and this area alone,it would level the playing field. JamesYoung
  • Score: -1

2:11pm Tue 27 May 14

Blind Watchmaker says...

LOL.... my response to sberth's light-bulb issue was intended to throw some light upon his general way of thinking... that facts shouldn’t get in the way of opinion.

Generally I support your other comments. I would also add that uncontrolled immigration is a drain on the 'donor' countries when their highly-skilled people leave for better economic climes.... and so the wealthier countries pay for that via overseas aid. How to address that is a real problem, because we want and need their highly skilled doctors, dentists, etc., because either we don't want to spend our education and money on training our own, or we make the cost prohibitive to our own students.

I feel that the major political parties have forgotten that the man in the street is interested in bread and butter politics, i.e., how he is affected in the short-term.

That is not a new phenomenon; the organisers of society appear to have always assumed that understanding the reasons for a policy – and those policies dependent upon long-term planning in particular – is beyond the comprehension of the general man in the street. Hence the complaint that our politicians don't listen to us.

Unfortunately, there are always those willing to manipulate the intent of those of particular political persuasions, and because politicians have failed to establish an independent platform from which to explain and debate their views, the man in the streets’ concerns are all too often a consequence of media-based prejudices and disinformation
LOL.... my response to sberth's light-bulb issue was intended to throw some light upon his general way of thinking... that facts shouldn’t get in the way of opinion. Generally I support your other comments. I would also add that uncontrolled immigration is a drain on the 'donor' countries when their highly-skilled people leave for better economic climes.... and so the wealthier countries pay for that via overseas aid. How to address that is a real problem, because we want and need their highly skilled doctors, dentists, etc., because either we don't want to spend our education and money on training our own, or we make the cost prohibitive to our own students. I feel that the major political parties have forgotten that the man in the street is interested in bread and butter politics, i.e., how he is affected in the short-term. That is not a new phenomenon; the organisers of society appear to have always assumed that understanding the reasons for a policy – and those policies dependent upon long-term planning in particular – is beyond the comprehension of the general man in the street. Hence the complaint that our politicians don't listen to us. Unfortunately, there are always those willing to manipulate the intent of those of particular political persuasions, and because politicians have failed to establish an independent platform from which to explain and debate their views, the man in the streets’ concerns are all too often a consequence of media-based prejudices and disinformation Blind Watchmaker
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
You've been shouted down by extremists from an extremist party who don't know any better. Did you expect flowers or boxes of chocolates from the supporters of such an obnxious organisation?
Yes even James young is an extremist now, being scolded by one of the gobbyy minority for not following the party line and refusing to adhere to Newspeak, How dare he express an independent thought !

I guess now they will have to put a dunce cap on him and pour ink over him.
ronfogg said "As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies." I have replied to ronfogg talking about UKIP being extremist, and you've somehow translated that into "Yes even James young is an extremist now". Please explain your logic. And I do mean explain it, not duck out in your usual manner with something like "well, if you don't understand...".
Try reading back through the comments instead of posting half a dozen vitriolic posts in a row as you have been. You might be able to keep up then.
No response as usual, just what I've come to expect from the typical brain dead UKIP supporters, and you in particualr. Please keep it up Same Old Same Old Siggy, you're doing a fantastic job of making UKIP look even more stupid than they actually are (and that's saying something) and driving away potential support.

If this is classified by you as another of my "vitriolic posts", well you ain't see nothing yet, to quote Bachmann Turner Overdrive.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]You've been shouted down by extremists from an extremist party who don't know any better. Did you expect flowers or boxes of chocolates from the supporters of such an obnxious organisation?[/p][/quote]Yes even James young is an extremist now, being scolded by one of the gobbyy minority for not following the party line and refusing to adhere to Newspeak, How dare he express an independent thought ! I guess now they will have to put a dunce cap on him and pour ink over him.[/p][/quote]ronfogg said "As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies." I have replied to ronfogg talking about UKIP being extremist, and you've somehow translated that into "Yes even James young is an extremist now". Please explain your logic. And I do mean explain it, not duck out in your usual manner with something like "well, if you don't understand...".[/p][/quote]Try reading back through the comments instead of posting half a dozen vitriolic posts in a row as you have been. You might be able to keep up then.[/p][/quote]No response as usual, just what I've come to expect from the typical brain dead UKIP supporters, and you in particualr. Please keep it up Same Old Same Old Siggy, you're doing a fantastic job of making UKIP look even more stupid than they actually are (and that's saying something) and driving away potential support. If this is classified by you as another of my "vitriolic posts", well you ain't see nothing yet, to quote Bachmann Turner Overdrive. breamoreboy
  • Score: 0

2:24pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
G from Kinson wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters!
Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores!
Perhaps they all have multiple accounts?
Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker!
Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !!
I see fairies at the bottom of my garden!
Wait for the negatives!
More hyperbole from the left. Actually nobody has got very high scores or particularly low ones, aside from a small crop at the beginning of the thread which is normal on any story as people all come to read then eventually fade off.

Anything else you want to make up ?
More crap from a brain dead, right wing neo-Nazi, enough said. Please lose it and get yourself banned from the Bournemouth Echo site, and get yourself banned from the Dorset Echo site again, then the rest of us can have a sensible debate.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G from Kinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters! Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores! Perhaps they all have multiple accounts? Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker! Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !! I see fairies at the bottom of my garden! Wait for the negatives![/p][/quote]More hyperbole from the left. Actually nobody has got very high scores or particularly low ones, aside from a small crop at the beginning of the thread which is normal on any story as people all come to read then eventually fade off. Anything else you want to make up ?[/p][/quote]More crap from a brain dead, right wing neo-Nazi, enough said. Please lose it and get yourself banned from the Bournemouth Echo site, and get yourself banned from the Dorset Echo site again, then the rest of us can have a sensible debate. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

2:29pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

G from Kinson wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters!
Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores!
Perhaps they all have multiple accounts?
Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker!
Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !!
I see fairies at the bottom of my garden!
Wait for the negatives!
Currently plus one :-) Perhaps you don't know but the extreme right wing neo-Nazis here are usually only to be found on the Dorset Echo site. I'm unsure as to why everything for this topic has been bundled onto one thread across the two sites. Answers please from both Echos, or is there another I don't know about?
[quote][p][bold]G from Kinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters! Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores! Perhaps they all have multiple accounts? Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker! Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !! I see fairies at the bottom of my garden! Wait for the negatives![/p][/quote]Currently plus one :-) Perhaps you don't know but the extreme right wing neo-Nazis here are usually only to be found on the Dorset Echo site. I'm unsure as to why everything for this topic has been bundled onto one thread across the two sites. Answers please from both Echos, or is there another I don't know about? breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

2:34pm Tue 27 May 14

bogtrotter says...

I'm really quite ambivalent about UKIP but for those that are anti, what is there in his email as a British citizen you disagree with? For those pro UKIP, please remember that you gain seats by saying things you will do well and change for the good and don't mention what you won't do or neglect. And, when all that is said and done, there's no guarantee any of it will materialise (Take a look at Blair's promises before his reign for reference).
I'm really quite ambivalent about UKIP but for those that are anti, what is there in his email as a British citizen you disagree with? For those pro UKIP, please remember that you gain seats by saying things you will do well and change for the good and don't mention what you won't do or neglect. And, when all that is said and done, there's no guarantee any of it will materialise (Take a look at Blair's promises before his reign for reference). bogtrotter
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

Blind Watchmaker wrote:
@sberth,
Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing?

Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs.

There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced.

What’s the problem?
sberth, or as I like to call him Same Old Same Old Siggy.

He's always spewing his neo-Nazi views on the Dorset Echo site. It doesn't take much to get him riled, just make any form of challenge to UKIP and you're automatically marked as being from the looney left. When he does get riled he gets so disgusting they've banned him twice from the Dorset Echo site so he just takes out account. Corner him on anything and he either doesn't answer or ducks out by stating that you don't understand. Essentially then the kind of stupid UKIP supporter who gives the few sensible ones a very bad name.
[quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: @sberth, Are you perhaps referring to the ISO standards that are now used in manufacturing? Light-bulbs – are you perhaps referring to the phasing out of incandescent light bulbs. There are plenty of other examples where improvements have been made and commonality introduced. What’s the problem?[/p][/quote]sberth, or as I like to call him Same Old Same Old Siggy. He's always spewing his neo-Nazi views on the Dorset Echo site. It doesn't take much to get him riled, just make any form of challenge to UKIP and you're automatically marked as being from the looney left. When he does get riled he gets so disgusting they've banned him twice from the Dorset Echo site so he just takes out account. Corner him on anything and he either doesn't answer or ducks out by stating that you don't understand. Essentially then the kind of stupid UKIP supporter who gives the few sensible ones a very bad name. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

2:54pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
You are talking about a massive area of hundreds of thousands of products and quite impossible to discuss it all here, research it in your own time. I can tell you this, one of the latest EU dictats about the power of hoover motors we can make is a disaster, I have tried one, it is absolutely useless. Your beloved Henry Hoover will be illegal shortly.
True to form Same Old Same Old Siggy ducks out of an awkward question. Please keep up the great work you're doing in giving UKIP such bad publicity.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: You are talking about a massive area of hundreds of thousands of products and quite impossible to discuss it all here, research it in your own time. I can tell you this, one of the latest EU dictats about the power of hoover motors we can make is a disaster, I have tried one, it is absolutely useless. Your beloved Henry Hoover will be illegal shortly.[/p][/quote]True to form Same Old Same Old Siggy ducks out of an awkward question. Please keep up the great work you're doing in giving UKIP such bad publicity. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

3:01pm Tue 27 May 14

bogtrotter says...

breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
You are talking about a massive area of hundreds of thousands of products and quite impossible to discuss it all here, research it in your own time. I can tell you this, one of the latest EU dictats about the power of hoover motors we can make is a disaster, I have tried one, it is absolutely useless. Your beloved Henry Hoover will be illegal shortly.
True to form Same Old Same Old Siggy ducks out of an awkward question. Please keep up the great work you're doing in giving UKIP such bad publicity.
The thing you're missing is, for a party of their stature, there's no such thing as bad publicity at this moment in time (not that posts on here count as publicity of course)
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: You are talking about a massive area of hundreds of thousands of products and quite impossible to discuss it all here, research it in your own time. I can tell you this, one of the latest EU dictats about the power of hoover motors we can make is a disaster, I have tried one, it is absolutely useless. Your beloved Henry Hoover will be illegal shortly.[/p][/quote]True to form Same Old Same Old Siggy ducks out of an awkward question. Please keep up the great work you're doing in giving UKIP such bad publicity.[/p][/quote]The thing you're missing is, for a party of their stature, there's no such thing as bad publicity at this moment in time (not that posts on here count as publicity of course) bogtrotter
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

mooninpisces wrote:
Blind Watchmaker wrote:
I'm pleased to see an increase in the number of women in the European Parliament.
3 thumbs down for this comment in less than an hour.

Is this a fair reflection of UKIP attitudes to women?
More likely the UKIP attitude to anybody who dares challenge them about anything. Like me :-)
[quote][p][bold]mooninpisces[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blind Watchmaker[/bold] wrote: I'm pleased to see an increase in the number of women in the European Parliament.[/p][/quote]3 thumbs down for this comment in less than an hour. Is this a fair reflection of UKIP attitudes to women?[/p][/quote]More likely the UKIP attitude to anybody who dares challenge them about anything. Like me :-) breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

4:10pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
Breamorboy, what are you incoherently rambling about?
If you cannot be bothered to spell the name of the village I was born in correctly don't bother saying anything please, you fascist.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Breamorboy, what are you incoherently rambling about?[/p][/quote]If you cannot be bothered to spell the name of the village I was born in correctly don't bother saying anything please, you fascist. breamoreboy
  • Score: -5

4:18pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
G from Kinson wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.
I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?!

As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.
Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters!
Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores!
Perhaps they all have multiple accounts?
Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker!
Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !!
I see fairies at the bottom of my garden!
Wait for the negatives!
More hyperbole from the left. Actually nobody has got very high scores or particularly low ones, aside from a small crop at the beginning of the thread which is normal on any story as people all come to read then eventually fade off.

Anything else you want to make up ?
More crap from a brain dead, right wing neo-Nazi, enough said. Please lose it and get yourself banned from the Bournemouth Echo site, and get yourself banned from the Dorset Echo site again, then the rest of us can have a sensible debate.
I think you are the one who has lost it, calling people neo-nazi's ranting on about Bournemouth echo? I have no idea what you're going on about? I won't lose it at all because I know what you are saying is just vicious rubbish and the usual tactics, therefore I am not the least riled.

No, the only people who get riled are when something of truth gets said at them and only one person was having a meltdown recently, very severely it seems. The last 40 comments will reveal a fair bit to anyone observant as to who is what.

Keep it up though, it's your sort of attacks that helps create more voters for UKIP. :-)
Dearest moron, everything you've been spouting on this thread has been going to the Dorset Echo and the Bournemouth Echo web sites. All your falsehoods, all your rants about anybody who dares challenge the garbage that comes so easily from your typing fingers, the ones that you used to insult woody's wife, I take it you remember that incident?

More voters for UKIP, don't make me laugh, the people of this wonderful country of got far too much in the way of common sense to vote for such a bunch of dipsticks at the coming General Election.

Now please be so kind as to go away before you lose it and get banned from here, you neo-Nazi fascist. Oh, but I must apologise, UKIP aren't right wing are they, since one of your mates said so on the Dorset Echo letters page last week.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]G from Kinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: Yes. That great new force in UK politics (ie UKIP) got 2 seats in SW England in 2009 (and indeed got 2 seats in 2004 too). What earth-shattering number of seats are they going to get this time. 2 perhaps.[/p][/quote]I got impressive score of -58 for this post, which simply speculated that UKIP might get 2 seats in SW England and which turned out to be correct. What score would I have got if i'd been wrong?! As James Young says the general standard of posts here is very poor. It tends to make one think that UKIP is not perhaps the breath of fresh air it purports to be and is, in fact, much like all the other parties, albeit with somewhat different policies.[/p][/quote]Quite agree about some of the posts here from UKIP voters! Scary! Notice that anyone who disagrees with them gets high minus scores yet they all get big plus scores! Perhaps they all have multiple accounts? Farage for PM? What planet are these people on? He is an extreme right wing ex banker! Latest is that they are now going to say they support the NHS !! I see fairies at the bottom of my garden! Wait for the negatives![/p][/quote]More hyperbole from the left. Actually nobody has got very high scores or particularly low ones, aside from a small crop at the beginning of the thread which is normal on any story as people all come to read then eventually fade off. Anything else you want to make up ?[/p][/quote]More crap from a brain dead, right wing neo-Nazi, enough said. Please lose it and get yourself banned from the Bournemouth Echo site, and get yourself banned from the Dorset Echo site again, then the rest of us can have a sensible debate.[/p][/quote]I think you are the one who has lost it, calling people neo-nazi's ranting on about Bournemouth echo? I have no idea what you're going on about? I won't lose it at all because I know what you are saying is just vicious rubbish and the usual tactics, therefore I am not the least riled. No, the only people who get riled are when something of truth gets said at them and only one person was having a meltdown recently, very severely it seems. The last 40 comments will reveal a fair bit to anyone observant as to who is what. Keep it up though, it's your sort of attacks that helps create more voters for UKIP. :-)[/p][/quote]Dearest moron, everything you've been spouting on this thread has been going to the Dorset Echo and the Bournemouth Echo web sites. All your falsehoods, all your rants about anybody who dares challenge the garbage that comes so easily from your typing fingers, the ones that you used to insult woody's wife, I take it you remember that incident? More voters for UKIP, don't make me laugh, the people of this wonderful country of got far too much in the way of common sense to vote for such a bunch of dipsticks at the coming General Election. Now please be so kind as to go away before you lose it and get banned from here, you neo-Nazi fascist. Oh, but I must apologise, UKIP aren't right wing are they, since one of your mates said so on the Dorset Echo letters page last week. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Tue 27 May 14

ronfogg says...

JamesYoung wrote:
For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes.
The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries.
Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them.
Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere).
Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door).
The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle.
If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member.
This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now.
Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else.
I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.
A few points in reply:

A number of parties, especially in the old eastern Europe, do have extreme nationalist groups.

I disagree that Greece shouldn't have joined the EU. It shouldn't have joined the Euro but that's another issue.

Germany does well, not because it's in the EU with a captive market but because they can run successful businesses. They would have done that with or without the EU.

When it comes to the crunch immigration/emigrati
on is simply people moving to find a better job/life. If you believe that a Romanian coming to Weymouth for a job is any different to someone from Liverpool then you are indeed supporting the nationalism you don't seem to want. How does someone moving from Liverpool benefit the Liverpool economy? The answer is that we live in a capitalist society not a communist one and people move around as they wish.

Romania/Bulgaria joined the EU because they will get handouts from the EU. However is that any different to Liverpool (or Weymouth) getting handouts from the UK government? No, except that one is intra-national and the other inter-national.
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: For me, the point that people here, and the media, are missing, is this: it is irrelevant whether {right wing party of your choice} got in or did not get in. If you look across Europe, you see a pattern. If you live in a country that has suffered at the hands of the EU, the left wing (anti austerity) is winning voters. If you live in a country that fears being dictated to, then the right wing is picking up votes. The common theme, though, is not hatred of foreigners / immigration or nationalism. It is simple voter dissatisfaction with a political system that is seen as not fit for purpose and an EU that has delivered nothing but disappointment and hardship for many member countries. Take Greece, for example. It should never have been allowed to join the EU, but when it did, its politicians promised the people there a new utopia. The people believed what they were told (see my earlier comments about the danger of ignorance). Their political class misled them. Or Cyprus, where the political classes aided the banks in dangerous behaviour. Who footed the bill? The electorate, who had the contents of their bank accounts stolen by the EU political class (and take heed: the IMF is talking about a global one off tax on wealth to solve problems elsewhere). Ironically, the country that has done very well out of the EU has been Germany, which has a captive market for its manufacturing industry (ironic because of the "remember Germany" claim laid at UKIPs door). The real opportunity here is for left and right to work together against the establishment to repair the damage done by a decade of poor regulation and out of control egos. Personally i've never understood the argument that mass immigration is a good thing. It's a drain on EU members who need skilled labour to build their economies (despite the mythologies, the well skilled are the first to leave) which then deters foreign investment and perpetuates the cycle. If left and right could work together, it would be a powerful enough lobby to create a Europe that works. I suspect that would be a federation of independent nations operating in a free trade zone, with relaxed immigration rules such as those in place in Norway (if you come from the EU, you have 3 months to find a job, then you're out) which is not a member. This is what is behind my personal frustration with the EU. If you look at it from an objective level, then it is a monumental failure. The standards of living of many countries have dropped, while the governments concerned can no longer take independent action (for example quantitative easing) to improve the situation. Had Britain joined the Euro, our economy would have been trashed by now. Most people i talk to who are pro EU are pro EU because they believe in social justice and unity. How does beggaring one country (Greece) contribute to either aim? How does stealing wealth from ordinary citizens (Cyprus)? How does opening the door to immigration help countries like Romania or Bulgaria, who have lost their most skilled young workers and as a consequence cannot attract foreign investment? What about Germany? On the one hand, they've benefited in terms of a captive market. On the other hand, their taxpayers are on the hook for mistakes made by everybody else. I think UKIP are on the right track, but as i say, the answer is not nationalism, but working with other EU states to create a system that works. That will be a free trade zone, with some tightening of rules around immigration.[/p][/quote]A few points in reply: A number of parties, especially in the old eastern Europe, do have extreme nationalist groups. I disagree that Greece shouldn't have joined the EU. It shouldn't have joined the Euro but that's another issue. Germany does well, not because it's in the EU with a captive market but because they can run successful businesses. They would have done that with or without the EU. When it comes to the crunch immigration/emigrati on is simply people moving to find a better job/life. If you believe that a Romanian coming to Weymouth for a job is any different to someone from Liverpool then you are indeed supporting the nationalism you don't seem to want. How does someone moving from Liverpool benefit the Liverpool economy? The answer is that we live in a capitalist society not a communist one and people move around as they wish. Romania/Bulgaria joined the EU because they will get handouts from the EU. However is that any different to Liverpool (or Weymouth) getting handouts from the UK government? No, except that one is intra-national and the other inter-national. ronfogg
  • Score: -3

7:32pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
Actually make that 60 or so comments, seeing as you have posted 80% of them with vitriol.
I have stated known facts about your obnoxious political party, no more, no less.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Actually make that 60 or so comments, seeing as you have posted 80% of them with vitriol.[/p][/quote]I have stated known facts about your obnoxious political party, no more, no less. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

8:42pm Tue 27 May 14

ronfogg says...

sberth wrote:
You need to make clear, there is a difference between the EU and the European people. I have never met a UKIP supporter, including myself, who has any issue with the migrant people individually. They are just people grabbing and going for what they can, who can blame them , especially if they are coming from poorer country's that have been victims of the poison of communism.

The issue is government and the faceless EU politburo taking the pi**.

As James said, the sad thing is the best people they have are leaving their own country's for better opportunity. It would have been much more prudent to have stopped all this mass migration and supported the people in their own country's, jointly with business and reciprocal agreements. No need for some oppressive communistic beige entity.
"people grabbing and going for what they can" is what we call capitalism, the alternative to communism and (I assume) the system you support

My question now is why it's "sad" for some of the "best people" in Romania to come to Weymouth for a job but it seems that it's not sad if some of the best people from Liverpool come here

Since it's mostly the "best people" coming here I can't really see that the benefits issue is relevant either
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: You need to make clear, there is a difference between the EU and the European people. I have never met a UKIP supporter, including myself, who has any issue with the migrant people individually. They are just people grabbing and going for what they can, who can blame them , especially if they are coming from poorer country's that have been victims of the poison of communism. The issue is government and the faceless EU politburo taking the pi**. As James said, the sad thing is the best people they have are leaving their own country's for better opportunity. It would have been much more prudent to have stopped all this mass migration and supported the people in their own country's, jointly with business and reciprocal agreements. No need for some oppressive communistic beige entity.[/p][/quote]"people grabbing and going for what they can" is what we call capitalism, the alternative to communism and (I assume) the system you support My question now is why it's "sad" for some of the "best people" in Romania to come to Weymouth for a job but it seems that it's not sad if some of the best people from Liverpool come here Since it's mostly the "best people" coming here I can't really see that the benefits issue is relevant either ronfogg
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Tue 27 May 14

ronfogg says...

sberth wrote:
it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything.

P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better.

That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.
I still can't see why it's sad that the Romanian dentist is here but it wouldn't be if he was from Liverpool (another area that was the victim of cruel communism - or socialism at least). Surely Liverpool needs investment and a future too
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything. P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better. That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.[/p][/quote]I still can't see why it's sad that the Romanian dentist is here but it wouldn't be if he was from Liverpool (another area that was the victim of cruel communism - or socialism at least). Surely Liverpool needs investment and a future too ronfogg
  • Score: 0

9:29pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Actually make that 60 or so comments, seeing as you have posted 80% of them with vitriol.
I have stated known facts about your obnoxious political party, no more, no less.
What does that have to do with the comment you are quoting?

Please be quiet, the thread almost become civilized.
Ooh looks like I'm getting at Same Old Same Old Siggy. There's nothing that hurts a fascist extremist more than constantly asking questions and waiting for answers which you know you won't get as they just don't exist. And if there's anything worse than a neo-Nazi party with an ex-banker as leader, would they please be kind enough to let me know.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Actually make that 60 or so comments, seeing as you have posted 80% of them with vitriol.[/p][/quote]I have stated known facts about your obnoxious political party, no more, no less.[/p][/quote]What does that have to do with the comment you are quoting? Please be quiet, the thread almost become civilized.[/p][/quote]Ooh looks like I'm getting at Same Old Same Old Siggy. There's nothing that hurts a fascist extremist more than constantly asking questions and waiting for answers which you know you won't get as they just don't exist. And if there's anything worse than a neo-Nazi party with an ex-banker as leader, would they please be kind enough to let me know. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

9:34pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything.

P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better.

That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.
Romanians are discussed here https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=f4fQDAyl
4GU

Just for you Same Old Same Old Siggy
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything. P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better. That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.[/p][/quote]Romanians are discussed here https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=f4fQDAyl 4GU Just for you Same Old Same Old Siggy breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

9:40pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
sberth wrote:
it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything.

P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better.

That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.
I still can't see why it's sad that the Romanian dentist is here but it wouldn't be if he was from Liverpool (another area that was the victim of cruel communism - or socialism at least). Surely Liverpool needs investment and a future too
Like I said..you just can't see.

You see nothing outside your bubble of political idealaouge
Good old Same Old Same Old Siggy, trying the same tactics with ronfogg as with me, claim that we don't understand or can't see. You've spent weeks expounding your extreme right wing views to everybody, but then have the audacity to state the above. I'm uncertain as to whether you're the most transparent person in Dorset, or the entire country.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything. P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better. That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.[/p][/quote]I still can't see why it's sad that the Romanian dentist is here but it wouldn't be if he was from Liverpool (another area that was the victim of cruel communism - or socialism at least). Surely Liverpool needs investment and a future too[/p][/quote]Like I said..you just can't see. You see nothing outside your bubble of political idealaouge[/p][/quote]Good old Same Old Same Old Siggy, trying the same tactics with ronfogg as with me, claim that we don't understand or can't see. You've spent weeks expounding your extreme right wing views to everybody, but then have the audacity to state the above. I'm uncertain as to whether you're the most transparent person in Dorset, or the entire country. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

9:50pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
breamoreboy wrote:
sberth wrote:
Actually make that 60 or so comments, seeing as you have posted 80% of them with vitriol.
I have stated known facts about your obnoxious political party, no more, no less.
What does that have to do with the comment you are quoting?

Please be quiet, the thread almost become civilized.
Ooh looks like I'm getting at Same Old Same Old Siggy. There's nothing that hurts a fascist extremist more than constantly asking questions and waiting for answers which you know you won't get as they just don't exist. And if there's anything worse than a neo-Nazi party with an ex-banker as leader, would they please be kind enough to let me know.
Oh dear, i tried so very hard to make the thread civilized....

The tiny infantile socialist must always bust open his mummy's pack lunch.....
Same Old Same Old Siggy to ronnfogg 9:21pm "You see nothing outside your bubble of political idealaouge." Your idea of keeping the thread civilised? Besides, by getting yourself banned from the Dorset Echo site for your disgusting behaviour you've no right at all to make such claims.

As for the socialist bit, that's so funny I'm busting a gut laughing. It's further proof, not that any is needed, that you're extreme right wing, so anybody that's even a fraction of the left of you is a socialist. You are clearly not intelligent enough to know that there is a really strange part of the political rainbow that's called the centre, ever heard of it?
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: Actually make that 60 or so comments, seeing as you have posted 80% of them with vitriol.[/p][/quote]I have stated known facts about your obnoxious political party, no more, no less.[/p][/quote]What does that have to do with the comment you are quoting? Please be quiet, the thread almost become civilized.[/p][/quote]Ooh looks like I'm getting at Same Old Same Old Siggy. There's nothing that hurts a fascist extremist more than constantly asking questions and waiting for answers which you know you won't get as they just don't exist. And if there's anything worse than a neo-Nazi party with an ex-banker as leader, would they please be kind enough to let me know.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, i tried so very hard to make the thread civilized.... The tiny infantile socialist must always bust open his mummy's pack lunch.....[/p][/quote]Same Old Same Old Siggy to ronnfogg 9:21pm "You see nothing outside your bubble of political idealaouge." Your idea of keeping the thread civilised? Besides, by getting yourself banned from the Dorset Echo site for your disgusting behaviour you've no right at all to make such claims. As for the socialist bit, that's so funny I'm busting a gut laughing. It's further proof, not that any is needed, that you're extreme right wing, so anybody that's even a fraction of the left of you is a socialist. You are clearly not intelligent enough to know that there is a really strange part of the political rainbow that's called the centre, ever heard of it? breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

10:19pm Tue 27 May 14

ronfogg says...

sberth wrote:
ronfogg wrote:
sberth wrote:
it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything.

P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better.

That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.
I still can't see why it's sad that the Romanian dentist is here but it wouldn't be if he was from Liverpool (another area that was the victim of cruel communism - or socialism at least). Surely Liverpool needs investment and a future too
Like I said..you just can't see.

You see nothing outside your bubble of political idealaouge
No. I'm afraid I still can't see it.

Actually it's not a political ideology, it's more a belief that we're all basically the same, everywhere in the world
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ronfogg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: it is "sad" for Romania that their best people are coming here and leaving the graces of their homeland without investment and future..if you cannot see why that is sad..then you cannot see anything. P.S My Dentist is Romanian and I love the guy, i always laugh and joke with him, but it would be better if he was back home in a country, victim of cruel communism, making his homeland better. That could have been achieved without ruining Britain and it would have been far more peaceful that way.[/p][/quote]I still can't see why it's sad that the Romanian dentist is here but it wouldn't be if he was from Liverpool (another area that was the victim of cruel communism - or socialism at least). Surely Liverpool needs investment and a future too[/p][/quote]Like I said..you just can't see. You see nothing outside your bubble of political idealaouge[/p][/quote]No. I'm afraid I still can't see it. Actually it's not a political ideology, it's more a belief that we're all basically the same, everywhere in the world ronfogg
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Tue 27 May 14

slayerofsacredcows says...

It is clear that what worked quite well for a Europe of 13 countries of roughly similar cultures and living standards, doesn't work for 28? countries, some of whom are very poor. Therefore Europe must change and we must regain some control of our borders. To do this we need to renegotiate treaties.
The fact that there was a huge anti EU vote in several countries (Not you notice the very poor ones!), strengthens the hand of Mr Cameron when he renegotiates. Whether we should vote to leave depends on the deal he gets.

As to UKIP getting MPs, that depends on whether they can come up with some joined up costed policies in about 6 months, which will be a fairly daunting task. I think their success has come as a bit of a surprise to them.

The biggest disaster for Britain would be another Labour Government, who would undo the hard work of the coalition over 5 years. So I will look at which candidate in my constituency is most likely to defeat labour and vote for them, even if it means I cannot vote for the person I really want.
It is clear that what worked quite well for a Europe of 13 countries of roughly similar cultures and living standards, doesn't work for 28? countries, some of whom are very poor. Therefore Europe must change and we must regain some control of our borders. To do this we need to renegotiate treaties. The fact that there was a huge anti EU vote in several countries (Not you notice the very poor ones!), strengthens the hand of Mr Cameron when he renegotiates. Whether we should vote to leave depends on the deal he gets. As to UKIP getting MPs, that depends on whether they can come up with some joined up costed policies in about 6 months, which will be a fairly daunting task. I think their success has come as a bit of a surprise to them. The biggest disaster for Britain would be another Labour Government, who would undo the hard work of the coalition over 5 years. So I will look at which candidate in my constituency is most likely to defeat labour and vote for them, even if it means I cannot vote for the person I really want. slayerofsacredcows
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Tue 27 May 14

breamoreboy says...

"Dave Small, Newly-Elected Ukip Councillor, Suspended After Just Five Days For Alleged Tweets About 'Poofs', 'Dykes' And 'Pakis'". Once again the true face of UKIP is shown. But we're not right wing, fascist, racist, homophobic or neo-Nazis, honestly we're not. Same Old Same Old Siggy's defence of this should be even funnier than usual.
"Dave Small, Newly-Elected Ukip Councillor, Suspended After Just Five Days For Alleged Tweets About 'Poofs', 'Dykes' And 'Pakis'". Once again the true face of UKIP is shown. But we're not right wing, fascist, racist, homophobic or neo-Nazis, honestly we're not. Same Old Same Old Siggy's defence of this should be even funnier than usual. breamoreboy
  • Score: -4

2:08am Wed 28 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
311 comments a new world record on the Dorset echo website,


Thanks to the REAL people of UKIP and the pathetic people of the dying left, the Earthquake is here.

Now send me your wives..so you too can have a mental breakdown like a chivalry- poodle on acid..and then blame it on the neo-nazi facists....
1 in 10 UKIP councillors elected in 2013 either quit the party, were kicked out the party, or were removed from office over the course of the year that followed. Discuss.
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: 311 comments a new world record on the Dorset echo website, Thanks to the REAL people of UKIP and the pathetic people of the dying left, the Earthquake is here. Now send me your wives..so you too can have a mental breakdown like a chivalry- poodle on acid..and then blame it on the neo-nazi facists....[/p][/quote]1 in 10 UKIP councillors elected in 2013 either quit the party, were kicked out the party, or were removed from office over the course of the year that followed. Discuss. breamoreboy
  • Score: -2

2:21pm Wed 28 May 14

breamoreboy says...

sberth wrote:
48 Labour candidates are pedophiles:
http://labour25.com/

labour25/
Dicuss.
We are not discussing the Labour party, we're discussing UKIP, the extreme right wing, fascist, neo_nazi organisation that'll get hammered at next year's General Election.. Please stop changing the subject. Please answer the questions regarding your partiy's policies. Please answer the question as to whether or not your MEPs intend claiming salary and expenses but not actually taking part in the EP. Please answer why Lenny Henry should go to a "black country". Need I go on SOSOS?
[quote][p][bold]sberth[/bold] wrote: 48 Labour candidates are pedophiles: http://labour25.com/ labour25/ Dicuss.[/p][/quote]We are not discussing the Labour party, we're discussing UKIP, the extreme right wing, fascist, neo_nazi organisation that'll get hammered at next year's General Election.. Please stop changing the subject. Please answer the questions regarding your partiy's policies. Please answer the question as to whether or not your MEPs intend claiming salary and expenses but not actually taking part in the EP. Please answer why Lenny Henry should go to a "black country". Need I go on SOSOS? breamoreboy
  • Score: -3

8:44pm Thu 29 May 14

cromwell9 says...

N Smith wrote:
ReasonedDebate wrote:
Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.
Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country.
Your out of touch
IT IS.
[quote][p][bold]N Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReasonedDebate[/bold] wrote: Greens are not irrelevant in the euros as they will have have as much of a voice in the region as any other seat. Green policies are very sensible pro-dorset, pro-uk and reasonable on being in Europe. And they won without any daily mail like irrational campaign of support driven by an ageing, past-it and bigoted editor who convinced the uneducated masses through type A propaganda. London = more educated, london = less Ukip. Simples.[/p][/quote]Get real if all the people who voted UKIP read the daily mail that paper would be the most popular paper in the country. Your out of touch[/p][/quote]IT IS. cromwell9
  • Score: -2

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