£60million scheme for two Hilton Hotels will create 130 new jobs in Bournemouth

£60million scheme for two Hilton Hotels will create 130 new jobs in Bournemouth

BIG IDEAS: The planned Hilton Hotel development

BIG IDEAS: Duncan Johnston, Peter Tisdale and Roger Ball at That Group’s launch party

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A £60M scheme to build two new Hilton Hotels in Bournemouth is set to create 130 new jobs in the town.

The two hotels will offer a total of 300 bedrooms, along with a Sky Bar and around 70 residential apartments.

The scheme is the largest hotel development for 100 years and will hopefully give the town a sought-after five-star hotel, along with a three-star establishment.

Jesse Banovic, marketing spokesman for the That Group, which is spearheading the development, said: “We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents and the town will get a huge boost from the supply chain needed to serve two large hotels.

“It should provide a very large boost to the conference industry in Bournemouth.

“It’s hoped that this hotel, along with other developments, will give the BIC additional firepower to attract high quality conference business.

“And the hotels could play a vital role in helping to retain graduates in hospitality and tourism by providing more management opportunities.”

Peter Tisdale, also of the That Group, said: “I think Hilton were impressed by Bournemouth’s year-round, seven-day-a-week market. To do 300 rooms in one town outside of one of the big cities – that speaks volumes as to the enthusiasm that there is for this development.

“There’s also a feeling that the council shares the desire to improve and enhance the hospitality offering. There appears to be a real shared vision for the town.”

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1:25pm Tue 13 May 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up. Sir Beachy Head
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1:30pm Tue 13 May 14

bsjc1234 says...

It seems like a good scheme from a well respected company however when they say "“It’s hoped that this hotel, along with other developments, will give the BIC additional firepower to attract high quality conference business" I regret to say that with the current management in power at the BIC this will not happen.

The political parties have not been to Bournemouth for many a year and not for the want of trying, why is this? many reasons but one could be that the management think we are the NEC or the Excel centre, we are not we are Bournemouth, quality yes but able to pull in the rates for hire like from the big cities, no. Anyway good luck Hilton group.
It seems like a good scheme from a well respected company however when they say "“It’s hoped that this hotel, along with other developments, will give the BIC additional firepower to attract high quality conference business" I regret to say that with the current management in power at the BIC this will not happen. The political parties have not been to Bournemouth for many a year and not for the want of trying, why is this? many reasons but one could be that the management think we are the NEC or the Excel centre, we are not we are Bournemouth, quality yes but able to pull in the rates for hire like from the big cities, no. Anyway good luck Hilton group. bsjc1234
  • Score: 15

1:36pm Tue 13 May 14

muscliffman says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.[/p][/quote]Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less). muscliffman
  • Score: 11

1:39pm Tue 13 May 14

DemonDiva says...

What on earth does this mean - We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents

What the hell is an equivalent? Does she mean 260 part-time jobs for people? When did we start calling people "equivalents"?
What on earth does this mean - We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents What the hell is an equivalent? Does she mean 260 part-time jobs for people? When did we start calling people "equivalents"? DemonDiva
  • Score: 10

2:03pm Tue 13 May 14

Bugzy84 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).
well the people with no idea are out again I see.
first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported.
Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.[/p][/quote]Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).[/p][/quote]well the people with no idea are out again I see. first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported. Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better Bugzy84
  • Score: 0

2:24pm Tue 13 May 14

jpm2067 says...

DemonDiva wrote:
What on earth does this mean - We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents

What the hell is an equivalent? Does she mean 260 part-time jobs for people? When did we start calling people "equivalents"?
The Echo are quoting what the person said...it's a term that is widely used when discussing how many roles/positions there are in a business - effectively you are right when you ask if that means 260 part-time jobs.
[quote][p][bold]DemonDiva[/bold] wrote: What on earth does this mean - We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents What the hell is an equivalent? Does she mean 260 part-time jobs for people? When did we start calling people "equivalents"?[/p][/quote]The Echo are quoting what the person said...it's a term that is widely used when discussing how many roles/positions there are in a business - effectively you are right when you ask if that means 260 part-time jobs. jpm2067
  • Score: 11

2:39pm Tue 13 May 14

saynomore says...

Oh Hello,where are the nimbys they are keeping rather quiet,these building must be blocking a "View" somewhere, and creating a bit of noise.
Oh Hello,where are the nimbys they are keeping rather quiet,these building must be blocking a "View" somewhere, and creating a bit of noise. saynomore
  • Score: 3

3:46pm Tue 13 May 14

M0Z says...

DemonDiva wrote:
What on earth does this mean - We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents

What the hell is an equivalent? Does she mean 260 part-time jobs for people? When did we start calling people "equivalents"?
Full time equivalence (FTE) is more honest than just quoting the raw numbers of people involved. 130 FTE will typically mean 130 x 40 hours per week. It might be 130 full time staff, or it might be thousands of part time staff. I’ve been working with the term FTE for several decades – it’s what every business uses and it’s not new.
[quote][p][bold]DemonDiva[/bold] wrote: What on earth does this mean - We anticipate the hotels will employ in excess of 130 full-time equivalents What the hell is an equivalent? Does she mean 260 part-time jobs for people? When did we start calling people "equivalents"?[/p][/quote]Full time equivalence (FTE) is more honest than just quoting the raw numbers of people involved. 130 FTE will typically mean 130 x 40 hours per week. It might be 130 full time staff, or it might be thousands of part time staff. I’ve been working with the term FTE for several decades – it’s what every business uses and it’s not new. M0Z
  • Score: 11

3:47pm Tue 13 May 14

muscliffman says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).
well the people with no idea are out again I see.
first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported.
Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better
My facts are right thank you - and I was not referring to illegal workers at all. Any EU citizen, including those from Country's where their own minimum wage is only a quarter (or less) of ours, can now freely come here and earn our higher UK minimum wage (and claim associated family and personal tax credits/benefits) - it's EU law, signed up for by the UK's LibLabCons.

So it does not require an awful lot of thought to appreciate the very negative effect this unrestricted economic EU migration is having and will continue to have upon the levels of pay for indigenous (recent or long term) British workers in the UK - and the process has only just started. If a UK employee is currently earning any more than the UK minimum wage in their workplace they should be aware that there are EU workers prepared and now able to come here and do their job for considerably less - and there is currently nothing we can do about it. Employers, especially the big ones surely cannot believe their luck!

(BTW: There are ways a UK employee can still find themselves realistically working for less than the legal minimum wage, indirect agency/self employed methods are common and they 'don't break any of the rules' - a bit like tax avoidance and zero hours contracts!)
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.[/p][/quote]Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).[/p][/quote]well the people with no idea are out again I see. first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported. Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better[/p][/quote]My facts are right thank you - and I was not referring to illegal workers at all. Any EU citizen, including those from Country's where their own minimum wage is only a quarter (or less) of ours, can now freely come here and earn our higher UK minimum wage (and claim associated family and personal tax credits/benefits) - it's EU law, signed up for by the UK's LibLabCons. So it does not require an awful lot of thought to appreciate the very negative effect this unrestricted economic EU migration is having and will continue to have upon the levels of pay for indigenous (recent or long term) British workers in the UK - and the process has only just started. If a UK employee is currently earning any more than the UK minimum wage in their workplace they should be aware that there are EU workers prepared and now able to come here and do their job for considerably less - and there is currently nothing we can do about it. Employers, especially the big ones surely cannot believe their luck! (BTW: There are ways a UK employee can still find themselves realistically working for less than the legal minimum wage, indirect agency/self employed methods are common and they 'don't break any of the rules' - a bit like tax avoidance and zero hours contracts!) muscliffman
  • Score: 12

3:52pm Tue 13 May 14

High Treason says...

bsjc1234 wrote:
It seems like a good scheme from a well respected company however when they say "“It’s hoped that this hotel, along with other developments, will give the BIC additional firepower to attract high quality conference business" I regret to say that with the current management in power at the BIC this will not happen.

The political parties have not been to Bournemouth for many a year and not for the want of trying, why is this? many reasons but one could be that the management think we are the NEC or the Excel centre, we are not we are Bournemouth, quality yes but able to pull in the rates for hire like from the big cities, no. Anyway good luck Hilton group.
BH Live run the BIC, not sure what is international about it. I know of one very large company who cancelled their conference trade exhibition due to the ridiculous costs hiked up by BH Live. It worked out a lot cheaper for their dozens of staff to travel elsewhere, with travel, hotels, parking etc BH Live was way overpriced. Build a 5 star hotel with its high room rates and holding any venues at the BIC will become even more over priced.
[quote][p][bold]bsjc1234[/bold] wrote: It seems like a good scheme from a well respected company however when they say "“It’s hoped that this hotel, along with other developments, will give the BIC additional firepower to attract high quality conference business" I regret to say that with the current management in power at the BIC this will not happen. The political parties have not been to Bournemouth for many a year and not for the want of trying, why is this? many reasons but one could be that the management think we are the NEC or the Excel centre, we are not we are Bournemouth, quality yes but able to pull in the rates for hire like from the big cities, no. Anyway good luck Hilton group.[/p][/quote]BH Live run the BIC, not sure what is international about it. I know of one very large company who cancelled their conference trade exhibition due to the ridiculous costs hiked up by BH Live. It worked out a lot cheaper for their dozens of staff to travel elsewhere, with travel, hotels, parking etc BH Live was way overpriced. Build a 5 star hotel with its high room rates and holding any venues at the BIC will become even more over priced. High Treason
  • Score: 4

3:54pm Tue 13 May 14

nothingtofear says...

muscliffman wrote:
Bugzy84 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).
well the people with no idea are out again I see.
first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported.
Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better
My facts are right thank you - and I was not referring to illegal workers at all. Any EU citizen, including those from Country's where their own minimum wage is only a quarter (or less) of ours, can now freely come here and earn our higher UK minimum wage (and claim associated family and personal tax credits/benefits) - it's EU law, signed up for by the UK's LibLabCons.

So it does not require an awful lot of thought to appreciate the very negative effect this unrestricted economic EU migration is having and will continue to have upon the levels of pay for indigenous (recent or long term) British workers in the UK - and the process has only just started. If a UK employee is currently earning any more than the UK minimum wage in their workplace they should be aware that there are EU workers prepared and now able to come here and do their job for considerably less - and there is currently nothing we can do about it. Employers, especially the big ones surely cannot believe their luck!

(BTW: There are ways a UK employee can still find themselves realistically working for less than the legal minimum wage, indirect agency/self employed methods are common and they 'don't break any of the rules' - a bit like tax avoidance and zero hours contracts!)
Living down to your reputation I see then Muscliff Moan.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.[/p][/quote]Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).[/p][/quote]well the people with no idea are out again I see. first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported. Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better[/p][/quote]My facts are right thank you - and I was not referring to illegal workers at all. Any EU citizen, including those from Country's where their own minimum wage is only a quarter (or less) of ours, can now freely come here and earn our higher UK minimum wage (and claim associated family and personal tax credits/benefits) - it's EU law, signed up for by the UK's LibLabCons. So it does not require an awful lot of thought to appreciate the very negative effect this unrestricted economic EU migration is having and will continue to have upon the levels of pay for indigenous (recent or long term) British workers in the UK - and the process has only just started. If a UK employee is currently earning any more than the UK minimum wage in their workplace they should be aware that there are EU workers prepared and now able to come here and do their job for considerably less - and there is currently nothing we can do about it. Employers, especially the big ones surely cannot believe their luck! (BTW: There are ways a UK employee can still find themselves realistically working for less than the legal minimum wage, indirect agency/self employed methods are common and they 'don't break any of the rules' - a bit like tax avoidance and zero hours contracts!)[/p][/quote]Living down to your reputation I see then Muscliff Moan. nothingtofear
  • Score: -11

4:10pm Tue 13 May 14

Huey says...

Errr why does the article not say where they will be built?
That is an important part of the story, no?
Errr why does the article not say where they will be built? That is an important part of the story, no? Huey
  • Score: 6

4:26pm Tue 13 May 14

BmthNewshound says...

Bournemouth certainly needs this investment in new hotels if the BIC is to attract conferences to the town. When the BIC was built the main competition for conference business was from other coastal resorts like Brighton and Blackpool. More recently major cities like Birmingham and Manchester are working hard to attract conference business and they have the benefit of better transport links and better hotels.
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Whilst any new jobs to the town are welcome the majority of the jobs at these hotels will be part time and low paid. Bournemouth really does need to be doing more to attract decent well paid jobs to the town.
Bournemouth certainly needs this investment in new hotels if the BIC is to attract conferences to the town. When the BIC was built the main competition for conference business was from other coastal resorts like Brighton and Blackpool. More recently major cities like Birmingham and Manchester are working hard to attract conference business and they have the benefit of better transport links and better hotels. . Whilst any new jobs to the town are welcome the majority of the jobs at these hotels will be part time and low paid. Bournemouth really does need to be doing more to attract decent well paid jobs to the town. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 8

4:50pm Tue 13 May 14

scrumpyjack says...

Bugzy84 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).
well the people with no idea are out again I see.
first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported.
Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better
Whoa there. Wind your neck in sweet heart and maybe a little less of the pathetic name calling?.

When was the last time you went to a hotel that ed not almost completely staffed by non-UK born employees? For me it must be years and I have been to a lot.

(Or chain coffee shops/fast food/supermarkets etc etc?)

And secondly, accommodation can be provided as part of the employee package at a 'cost' deemed suitable, so technically the net effect to the worker can be less than min wage once they have paid for their 'board and lodging'.

Stop jumping up and down and maybe look at facts a little more and not what people of your age are being brainwashed into believing.

"all immigration and free movement good, all non-immigration and restricted movement bad" to coin a phrase.
[quote][p][bold]Bugzy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.[/p][/quote]Probably not, they will be the ones continuing to loose their better paid UK jobs in this industry (like all the rest) whilst being replaced by unlimited quantities of EU migrant workers very keen to work here for the minimum UK wage (or realistically a lot less).[/p][/quote]well the people with no idea are out again I see. first of all employers who hire anyone regardless of which country they are born in mean you have to pay minimum wage or above, it's the law, a company caught under paying an employee will be prosecuted with a heavy penalty fine and IF the employee is illegally in the country they will be detained and deported. Get your facts right, it will hide your contempt for anyone not like your worthless excuse of a human better[/p][/quote]Whoa there. Wind your neck in sweet heart and maybe a little less of the pathetic name calling?. When was the last time you went to a hotel that ed not almost completely staffed by non-UK born employees? For me it must be years and I have been to a lot. (Or chain coffee shops/fast food/supermarkets etc etc?) And secondly, accommodation can be provided as part of the employee package at a 'cost' deemed suitable, so technically the net effect to the worker can be less than min wage once they have paid for their 'board and lodging'. Stop jumping up and down and maybe look at facts a little more and not what people of your age are being brainwashed into believing. "all immigration and free movement good, all non-immigration and restricted movement bad" to coin a phrase. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 8

4:51pm Tue 13 May 14

raffertyj4 says...

Huey wrote:
Errr why does the article not say where they will be built?
That is an important part of the story, no?
It's where those big yellow cranes are opposite 60 Million Postcards (ish). Next to the round Italian restaurant.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Errr why does the article not say where they will be built? That is an important part of the story, no?[/p][/quote]It's where those big yellow cranes are opposite 60 Million Postcards (ish). Next to the round Italian restaurant. raffertyj4
  • Score: 2

4:54pm Tue 13 May 14

raffertyj4 says...

Very happy about this development - great for the town! Great news about the amount of jobs going. Those saying about foreigners being the only ones to take the jobs - I run a hotel in West Cliff and in the time I've been here, approximately 6 months, the only CVs that I've received from walk-ins are from foreigners! Not a single British local person has handed a CV in to me. They are the only ones apparently looking for work at the moment from what I can see! When I was younger I wouldn't stop handing out CVs until I got a job. Good luck to everyone who applies!
Very happy about this development - great for the town! Great news about the amount of jobs going. Those saying about foreigners being the only ones to take the jobs - I run a hotel in West Cliff and in the time I've been here, approximately 6 months, the only CVs that I've received from walk-ins are from foreigners! Not a single British local person has handed a CV in to me. They are the only ones apparently looking for work at the moment from what I can see! When I was younger I wouldn't stop handing out CVs until I got a job. Good luck to everyone who applies! raffertyj4
  • Score: 14

4:58pm Tue 13 May 14

wezmieniwkurwiaj says...

Sir Beachy Head wrote:
I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.
It will be given, when they will stop be so lazy.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Beachy Head[/bold] wrote: I hope at least 1 of 130 jobs will be given to an English person. I know its unlikely so wont get my hopes up.[/p][/quote]It will be given, when they will stop be so lazy. wezmieniwkurwiaj
  • Score: 4

5:01pm Tue 13 May 14

shirley48 says...

another waste of money!!
another waste of money!! shirley48
  • Score: -13

5:03pm Tue 13 May 14

raffertyj4 says...

shirley48 wrote:
another waste of money!!
Why?
[quote][p][bold]shirley48[/bold] wrote: another waste of money!![/p][/quote]Why? raffertyj4
  • Score: 8

5:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Yankee1 says...

I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation.

There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side.

High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern.

Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.
I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation. There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side. High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern. Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants. Yankee1
  • Score: 4

5:45pm Tue 13 May 14

Bloss45 says...

They will have a wonderful view of our wind farm :-(
They will have a wonderful view of our wind farm :-( Bloss45
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Tue 13 May 14

raffertyj4 says...

Yankee1 wrote:
I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation.

There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side.

High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern.

Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.
The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation. There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side. High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern. Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.[/p][/quote]The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth. raffertyj4
  • Score: 4

6:23pm Tue 13 May 14

Bob49 says...

"and around 70 residential apartments. "

now there's a surprise - we have never had a development in Bournemouth that includes appartments have we ?

still, as long as you include some fictious 'jobs' figure the witless and terminally dim will over excite themselves - remember the 90 new jobs that were to be created by the surf reef ?

though it is curious to see the word 'around' when talking about the number of appartments

what are they going to do, start building them then see how many they have when they finish - as supposedly with the height of the Moneychine scam

and in reading some of the posts above it is clear to see why there is still a market for nigerian bank emails - they would have a field day with some of those on here
"and around 70 residential apartments. " now there's a surprise - we have never had a development in Bournemouth that includes appartments have we ? still, as long as you include some fictious 'jobs' figure the witless and terminally dim will over excite themselves - remember the 90 new jobs that were to be created by the surf reef ? though it is curious to see the word 'around' when talking about the number of appartments what are they going to do, start building them then see how many they have when they finish - as supposedly with the height of the Moneychine scam and in reading some of the posts above it is clear to see why there is still a market for nigerian bank emails - they would have a field day with some of those on here Bob49
  • Score: 1

6:29pm Tue 13 May 14

Gastines3 says...

Any commercial development coming to the area is a plus sign.The hopeful follow on might be that the Council will now do their bit and start a major clean-up of the town.Anything that appears to be Council owned or Council run seems to fall into a poor state due to lack of of maintenance or poor quality work by our outsourced contractors. Hopefully the Council can now that virtually all the car-parks are built on,Horseshoe Common and other 'money-no-object' schemes are well under way,will turn their attention to the basics that the locals and visitors require and notice when spending hard earned cash in the town.
Any commercial development coming to the area is a plus sign.The hopeful follow on might be that the Council will now do their bit and start a major clean-up of the town.Anything that appears to be Council owned or Council run seems to fall into a poor state due to lack of of maintenance or poor quality work by our outsourced contractors. Hopefully the Council can now that virtually all the car-parks are built on,Horseshoe Common and other 'money-no-object' schemes are well under way,will turn their attention to the basics that the locals and visitors require and notice when spending hard earned cash in the town. Gastines3
  • Score: 2

6:36pm Tue 13 May 14

bbird says...

Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do. bbird
  • Score: 15

6:51pm Tue 13 May 14

bbird says...

I forgot to comment on the foreign people who fortunately work here, Thank heavens we attract them to Bournemouth!

Bournemouth has a tradition of foreigners working here. As a child many years ago, I remember the wonderful Italian people who worked in the hotels. We returned year after year and the same waiters greeted and made a fuss of us.

We really need the foreigners. Nowadays unfortunately workers are more transient. The Brits mainly aren't interested. The foreigners want the work, and on the whole are professional and friendly and happy to work at the wage offered.

I would put any blame on the standard of our hotels. They are also in the dark ages (on the whole) and I really find it difficult to find decent accommodation for visitors. Yes the Premier Inn and Ramada Encore are good at what they do for shorter stay or business visitors.

But we also need some charming, up to date, clean and beautifully furnished hotels with lovely terraces, gardens and good locally sourced food at all ends of the price spectrum - to appeal to the modern and more discerning tourist.

I am sure many people are fed up with airport delays, strikes, and the sheer number of people going abroad, and would be more than happy to come here.

If only hotels weren't so drab and unappealing. Just look at the success of the Pig in Brockenhurst - people will pay for a good product.
I forgot to comment on the foreign people who fortunately work here, Thank heavens we attract them to Bournemouth! Bournemouth has a tradition of foreigners working here. As a child many years ago, I remember the wonderful Italian people who worked in the hotels. We returned year after year and the same waiters greeted and made a fuss of us. We really need the foreigners. Nowadays unfortunately workers are more transient. The Brits mainly aren't interested. The foreigners want the work, and on the whole are professional and friendly and happy to work at the wage offered. I would put any blame on the standard of our hotels. They are also in the dark ages (on the whole) and I really find it difficult to find decent accommodation for visitors. Yes the Premier Inn and Ramada Encore are good at what they do for shorter stay or business visitors. But we also need some charming, up to date, clean and beautifully furnished hotels with lovely terraces, gardens and good locally sourced food at all ends of the price spectrum - to appeal to the modern and more discerning tourist. I am sure many people are fed up with airport delays, strikes, and the sheer number of people going abroad, and would be more than happy to come here. If only hotels weren't so drab and unappealing. Just look at the success of the Pig in Brockenhurst - people will pay for a good product. bbird
  • Score: 5

7:09pm Tue 13 May 14

muscliffman says...

raffertyj4 wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation.

There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side.

High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern.

Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.
The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.
So you know this for a fact " It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!)" ?

Because although I have no idea in this instance, it has become VERY common practice for UK businesses to purposely advertise their low paid British job vacancies in the poorest EU regions and quite deliberately NOT at all over here in the UK - some larger UK Company's have even opened recruitment agencies in the more deprived parts of the EU.
[quote][p][bold]raffertyj4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation. There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side. High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern. Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.[/p][/quote]The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]So you know this for a fact " It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!)" ? Because although I have no idea in this instance, it has become VERY common practice for UK businesses to purposely advertise their low paid British job vacancies in the poorest EU regions and quite deliberately NOT at all over here in the UK - some larger UK Company's have even opened recruitment agencies in the more deprived parts of the EU. muscliffman
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Tue 13 May 14

O'Reilly says...

Huey wrote:
Errr why does the article not say where they will be built?
That is an important part of the story, no?
Well the photo of the proposed hotel pictured......is on the corner of Cranborne Road and Terrace Road...............P
OA
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Errr why does the article not say where they will be built? That is an important part of the story, no?[/p][/quote]Well the photo of the proposed hotel pictured......is on the corner of Cranborne Road and Terrace Road...............P OA O'Reilly
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Tue 13 May 14

NobleBoB says...

bbird wrote:
I forgot to comment on the foreign people who fortunately work here, Thank heavens we attract them to Bournemouth!

Bournemouth has a tradition of foreigners working here. As a child many years ago, I remember the wonderful Italian people who worked in the hotels. We returned year after year and the same waiters greeted and made a fuss of us.

We really need the foreigners. Nowadays unfortunately workers are more transient. The Brits mainly aren't interested. The foreigners want the work, and on the whole are professional and friendly and happy to work at the wage offered.

I would put any blame on the standard of our hotels. They are also in the dark ages (on the whole) and I really find it difficult to find decent accommodation for visitors. Yes the Premier Inn and Ramada Encore are good at what they do for shorter stay or business visitors.

But we also need some charming, up to date, clean and beautifully furnished hotels with lovely terraces, gardens and good locally sourced food at all ends of the price spectrum - to appeal to the modern and more discerning tourist.

I am sure many people are fed up with airport delays, strikes, and the sheer number of people going abroad, and would be more than happy to come here.

If only hotels weren't so drab and unappealing. Just look at the success of the Pig in Brockenhurst - people will pay for a good product.
From my experience, the foreigners in bournemouth are just as loud, lazy and unpleasant as the English. Spend ten minutes on the triangle and tell me it doesn't make your skin call.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: I forgot to comment on the foreign people who fortunately work here, Thank heavens we attract them to Bournemouth! Bournemouth has a tradition of foreigners working here. As a child many years ago, I remember the wonderful Italian people who worked in the hotels. We returned year after year and the same waiters greeted and made a fuss of us. We really need the foreigners. Nowadays unfortunately workers are more transient. The Brits mainly aren't interested. The foreigners want the work, and on the whole are professional and friendly and happy to work at the wage offered. I would put any blame on the standard of our hotels. They are also in the dark ages (on the whole) and I really find it difficult to find decent accommodation for visitors. Yes the Premier Inn and Ramada Encore are good at what they do for shorter stay or business visitors. But we also need some charming, up to date, clean and beautifully furnished hotels with lovely terraces, gardens and good locally sourced food at all ends of the price spectrum - to appeal to the modern and more discerning tourist. I am sure many people are fed up with airport delays, strikes, and the sheer number of people going abroad, and would be more than happy to come here. If only hotels weren't so drab and unappealing. Just look at the success of the Pig in Brockenhurst - people will pay for a good product.[/p][/quote]From my experience, the foreigners in bournemouth are just as loud, lazy and unpleasant as the English. Spend ten minutes on the triangle and tell me it doesn't make your skin call. NobleBoB
  • Score: -4

11:22pm Tue 13 May 14

Chris12 says...

Shock horror - hotel employees may be foreign. That'll be a massive change for hotels to cope with ! For heavens sake, there have been masses of foreign nationals employed in Bournemouth hotels for years. It might be something to do with the masses of foreign students we've welcomed for many years too.

A resort town tends to need visitors (and hotels). Not sure how you can reconcile some of the anti-foreigner comments with the need to attract outsiders to come to the place !
Shock horror - hotel employees may be foreign. That'll be a massive change for hotels to cope with ! For heavens sake, there have been masses of foreign nationals employed in Bournemouth hotels for years. It might be something to do with the masses of foreign students we've welcomed for many years too. A resort town tends to need visitors (and hotels). Not sure how you can reconcile some of the anti-foreigner comments with the need to attract outsiders to come to the place ! Chris12
  • Score: 6

11:39pm Tue 13 May 14

whiterosesway says...

bbird wrote:
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.[/p][/quote]I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens. whiterosesway
  • Score: 0

8:56am Wed 14 May 14

Bournemouthfan2 says...

raffertyj4 wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation.

There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side.

High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern.

Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.
The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.
I have to agree with these comments.
Apart from the fact that this region is a tourist industry and naturally is going to have a lot more of these type of jobs over the desired higher paid employment, it seems to have become the accepted norm for people to believe that employers are gleefully employing foreign staff over UK born residents.
I have been in business for over 10 years now and employ staff. It has been quite a shock to find how difficult it has been to find reliable UK staff who are prepared to put in a good days work for the pay they receive.
The amount of applications that we receive for any advertised work is roughly at a ratio of 70% foreign to 30% UK resident.
We do not favour foreign workers over UK staff, in fact it is more work for an employer to take on foreign staff due to the onerous visa and paperwork checks that have to be made regarding their status. This is a continuous check to ensure they have the right to remain in the UK, if an employer fails to notice that at some point they may no longer have the right to remain, the employer could be subjected to a huge fine.
Although we have some fantastic UK staff, unfortunately we also have a lot of others who seem to think they are doing us a favour just by turning up, they go sick at the drop of a hat often with very little notice, they do the minimum required and are totally inflexible with their work patterns. They give a poor service to our customers who then complain to us and we have to deal with the fallout, why would anyone in their right mind demand that we favour these kind of staff just because they are UK resident?
When employers are faced with this type of worker, it is no wonder that they turn to foreign students who are much more motived, hard working and reliable.
While I know that there are some reading this who will think I am just making excuses, before you judge what I have said, my comments can be applied to every single person who relies on someone to do a good job for them regardless of what type of work it is. If you wanted work done on your property and you were given the choice of two builders charging the same price, one is a foreign builder who came with fantastic recommendations and the other is a UK builder who had a bad record, I am sure that you will take on the builder who can be relied to turn up and do a good job, it just makes good business sense.
That is the situation that an employer is faced with every day when given the choice of taking on highly motivated foreign staff or the standard UK staff member who will not add any value to the business, but in fact costs the employer time and money to manage the issues they cause.
[quote][p][bold]raffertyj4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation. There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side. High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern. Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.[/p][/quote]The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with these comments. Apart from the fact that this region is a tourist industry and naturally is going to have a lot more of these type of jobs over the desired higher paid employment, it seems to have become the accepted norm for people to believe that employers are gleefully employing foreign staff over UK born residents. I have been in business for over 10 years now and employ staff. It has been quite a shock to find how difficult it has been to find reliable UK staff who are prepared to put in a good days work for the pay they receive. The amount of applications that we receive for any advertised work is roughly at a ratio of 70% foreign to 30% UK resident. We do not favour foreign workers over UK staff, in fact it is more work for an employer to take on foreign staff due to the onerous visa and paperwork checks that have to be made regarding their status. This is a continuous check to ensure they have the right to remain in the UK, if an employer fails to notice that at some point they may no longer have the right to remain, the employer could be subjected to a huge fine. Although we have some fantastic UK staff, unfortunately we also have a lot of others who seem to think they are doing us a favour just by turning up, they go sick at the drop of a hat often with very little notice, they do the minimum required and are totally inflexible with their work patterns. They give a poor service to our customers who then complain to us and we have to deal with the fallout, why would anyone in their right mind demand that we favour these kind of staff just because they are UK resident? When employers are faced with this type of worker, it is no wonder that they turn to foreign students who are much more motived, hard working and reliable. While I know that there are some reading this who will think I am just making excuses, before you judge what I have said, my comments can be applied to every single person who relies on someone to do a good job for them regardless of what type of work it is. If you wanted work done on your property and you were given the choice of two builders charging the same price, one is a foreign builder who came with fantastic recommendations and the other is a UK builder who had a bad record, I am sure that you will take on the builder who can be relied to turn up and do a good job, it just makes good business sense. That is the situation that an employer is faced with every day when given the choice of taking on highly motivated foreign staff or the standard UK staff member who will not add any value to the business, but in fact costs the employer time and money to manage the issues they cause. Bournemouthfan2
  • Score: 5

9:12am Wed 14 May 14

Azphreal says...

Want i would like to know is if the staff will be on ZHC (zero hour contracts)?
Want i would like to know is if the staff will be on ZHC (zero hour contracts)? Azphreal
  • Score: -1

9:58am Wed 14 May 14

rozmister says...

bbird wrote:
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
If that's the sum of all the restaurants you go to in Bournemouth you're missing out! I'm fortunate enough to live in the centre of town and go out for dinner often, Bournemouth has loads to offer both in the town centre and further afield. Koh Thai in the Triangle (and Boscombe) is great, Sushi & Roll on Westover Road, the Arbor Restaurant (at the Greenhouse Hotel) does amazing food, further out there's the Bournemouth Pizza Co at Lansdowne and Monty's Lounge at Pokesdown to name but a few. If you're looking for something a bit cheaper and less original there's numerous decent chain restaurants/bars in the town centre (Prezzo, Zizzis, Bella Italia, Revs, etc) where you can get decent quality food for a fair price.

Bournemouth is already amazing, it just needs better policing and S & D leisure removed from the gardens. You don't need to start a huge building project to put in shopping centres and cinema complexes the appeal is the beautiful beach and the gardens and with the additional wet weather and dry weather activities on the seafront I think the town's doing pretty well!
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.[/p][/quote]If that's the sum of all the restaurants you go to in Bournemouth you're missing out! I'm fortunate enough to live in the centre of town and go out for dinner often, Bournemouth has loads to offer both in the town centre and further afield. Koh Thai in the Triangle (and Boscombe) is great, Sushi & Roll on Westover Road, the Arbor Restaurant (at the Greenhouse Hotel) does amazing food, further out there's the Bournemouth Pizza Co at Lansdowne and Monty's Lounge at Pokesdown to name but a few. If you're looking for something a bit cheaper and less original there's numerous decent chain restaurants/bars in the town centre (Prezzo, Zizzis, Bella Italia, Revs, etc) where you can get decent quality food for a fair price. Bournemouth is already amazing, it just needs better policing and S & D leisure removed from the gardens. You don't need to start a huge building project to put in shopping centres and cinema complexes the appeal is the beautiful beach and the gardens and with the additional wet weather and dry weather activities on the seafront I think the town's doing pretty well! rozmister
  • Score: 2

10:01am Wed 14 May 14

bbird says...

whiterosesway wrote:
bbird wrote:
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.
Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets?

I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus.

As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.
[quote][p][bold]whiterosesway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.[/p][/quote]I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets? I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus. As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment. bbird
  • Score: 3

10:10am Wed 14 May 14

raffertyj4 says...

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:
raffertyj4 wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation.

There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side.

High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern.

Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.
The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.
I have to agree with these comments.
Apart from the fact that this region is a tourist industry and naturally is going to have a lot more of these type of jobs over the desired higher paid employment, it seems to have become the accepted norm for people to believe that employers are gleefully employing foreign staff over UK born residents.
I have been in business for over 10 years now and employ staff. It has been quite a shock to find how difficult it has been to find reliable UK staff who are prepared to put in a good days work for the pay they receive.
The amount of applications that we receive for any advertised work is roughly at a ratio of 70% foreign to 30% UK resident.
We do not favour foreign workers over UK staff, in fact it is more work for an employer to take on foreign staff due to the onerous visa and paperwork checks that have to be made regarding their status. This is a continuous check to ensure they have the right to remain in the UK, if an employer fails to notice that at some point they may no longer have the right to remain, the employer could be subjected to a huge fine.
Although we have some fantastic UK staff, unfortunately we also have a lot of others who seem to think they are doing us a favour just by turning up, they go sick at the drop of a hat often with very little notice, they do the minimum required and are totally inflexible with their work patterns. They give a poor service to our customers who then complain to us and we have to deal with the fallout, why would anyone in their right mind demand that we favour these kind of staff just because they are UK resident?
When employers are faced with this type of worker, it is no wonder that they turn to foreign students who are much more motived, hard working and reliable.
While I know that there are some reading this who will think I am just making excuses, before you judge what I have said, my comments can be applied to every single person who relies on someone to do a good job for them regardless of what type of work it is. If you wanted work done on your property and you were given the choice of two builders charging the same price, one is a foreign builder who came with fantastic recommendations and the other is a UK builder who had a bad record, I am sure that you will take on the builder who can be relied to turn up and do a good job, it just makes good business sense.
That is the situation that an employer is faced with every day when given the choice of taking on highly motivated foreign staff or the standard UK staff member who will not add any value to the business, but in fact costs the employer time and money to manage the issues they cause.
Completely agree!

I employ foreigners and they're the hardest working employees I've ever had! They always turn up early for work, work as hard as they can during their shift, and never complain about their salary (which, to those saying they will get less than minimum wage - it will NEVER be less than minimum wage in the UK or else you will get heavily prosecuted). I've had UK nationals working here before - some have been excellent, the majority have been awful and lazy. At my workplace, 100% of applicants are foreign. It is so sad to see British people become so stuck up to think they are too good to apply for these sorts of jobs. I started off as a cleaner in a pub and now I run a hotel. British people need a kick up the a**!
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouthfan2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raffertyj4[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I could be snarky, but this is a big vote of confidence in Bournemouth by an international corporation. There is no reason why Bournemouth cannot become London City-by-the-Sea, but it will have to get rid of its seemier side. High value punters will not come if they cannot walk the town after 8 pm without concern. Now, a snark: Most of these jobs will be given to harder working immigrants.[/p][/quote]The jobs will be given to those who firstly apply and secondly who will do those jobs to the highest standards. It won't be Hilton's choice specifically to hire foreigners, but they will be the majority of people who apply as Brits seem to not want these sorts of jobs (lazy!). Speaking from experience of running a hotel in Bournemouth.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with these comments. Apart from the fact that this region is a tourist industry and naturally is going to have a lot more of these type of jobs over the desired higher paid employment, it seems to have become the accepted norm for people to believe that employers are gleefully employing foreign staff over UK born residents. I have been in business for over 10 years now and employ staff. It has been quite a shock to find how difficult it has been to find reliable UK staff who are prepared to put in a good days work for the pay they receive. The amount of applications that we receive for any advertised work is roughly at a ratio of 70% foreign to 30% UK resident. We do not favour foreign workers over UK staff, in fact it is more work for an employer to take on foreign staff due to the onerous visa and paperwork checks that have to be made regarding their status. This is a continuous check to ensure they have the right to remain in the UK, if an employer fails to notice that at some point they may no longer have the right to remain, the employer could be subjected to a huge fine. Although we have some fantastic UK staff, unfortunately we also have a lot of others who seem to think they are doing us a favour just by turning up, they go sick at the drop of a hat often with very little notice, they do the minimum required and are totally inflexible with their work patterns. They give a poor service to our customers who then complain to us and we have to deal with the fallout, why would anyone in their right mind demand that we favour these kind of staff just because they are UK resident? When employers are faced with this type of worker, it is no wonder that they turn to foreign students who are much more motived, hard working and reliable. While I know that there are some reading this who will think I am just making excuses, before you judge what I have said, my comments can be applied to every single person who relies on someone to do a good job for them regardless of what type of work it is. If you wanted work done on your property and you were given the choice of two builders charging the same price, one is a foreign builder who came with fantastic recommendations and the other is a UK builder who had a bad record, I am sure that you will take on the builder who can be relied to turn up and do a good job, it just makes good business sense. That is the situation that an employer is faced with every day when given the choice of taking on highly motivated foreign staff or the standard UK staff member who will not add any value to the business, but in fact costs the employer time and money to manage the issues they cause.[/p][/quote]Completely agree! I employ foreigners and they're the hardest working employees I've ever had! They always turn up early for work, work as hard as they can during their shift, and never complain about their salary (which, to those saying they will get less than minimum wage - it will NEVER be less than minimum wage in the UK or else you will get heavily prosecuted). I've had UK nationals working here before - some have been excellent, the majority have been awful and lazy. At my workplace, 100% of applicants are foreign. It is so sad to see British people become so stuck up to think they are too good to apply for these sorts of jobs. I started off as a cleaner in a pub and now I run a hotel. British people need a kick up the a**! raffertyj4
  • Score: 5

10:17am Wed 14 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

saynomore wrote:
Oh Hello,where are the nimbys they are keeping rather quiet,these building must be blocking a "View" somewhere, and creating a bit of noise.
This is easily within 9 miles of the precious Jurassic Coast and its visibility could easily threaten its World Heritage status. I'm surprised the nimby's didn't see the site on their way to the BIC on saturday. Stop the build NOW!!!!
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: Oh Hello,where are the nimbys they are keeping rather quiet,these building must be blocking a "View" somewhere, and creating a bit of noise.[/p][/quote]This is easily within 9 miles of the precious Jurassic Coast and its visibility could easily threaten its World Heritage status. I'm surprised the nimby's didn't see the site on their way to the BIC on saturday. Stop the build NOW!!!! BarrHumbug
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Wed 14 May 14

whiterosesway says...

bbird wrote:
whiterosesway wrote:
bbird wrote:
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.
Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets?

I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus.

As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.
A walk through the Winter Gardens will take you past Valentino's and La Strada, a couple of perfectly decent Italian restaurants, to a car park. No sign of S&D. You really should get out more.
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whiterosesway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.[/p][/quote]I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets? I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus. As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.[/p][/quote]A walk through the Winter Gardens will take you past Valentino's and La Strada, a couple of perfectly decent Italian restaurants, to a car park. No sign of S&D. You really should get out more. whiterosesway
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Wed 14 May 14

BIGTONE says...

What.......no social/affordable housing?
What.......no social/affordable housing? BIGTONE
  • Score: 0

8:21pm Wed 14 May 14

bbird says...

whiterosesway wrote:
bbird wrote:
whiterosesway wrote:
bbird wrote:
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.
Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets?

I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus.

As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.
A walk through the Winter Gardens will take you past Valentino's and La Strada, a couple of perfectly decent Italian restaurants, to a car park. No sign of S&D. You really should get out more.
A walk through the Winter Gardens will not take you past the 2 restaurants you mention, they are up the hill! And thank you, but I think I know the area pretty well and probably spend more time out and about than post. I also take an interest in facilities offered both to tourists and myself/my own visitors.

If you can name one restaurant in Bournemouth that offers fresh seasonal local produce (asparagus, artichokes, Jersey Royals, Strawberries, Isle of Wight tomatoes, watercress), I would love to know. I am not knocking the restaurants that you have recommended, but they are not for me. Now clearly we all have different tastes and budgets, but we are a big town with a mix of visitors, and can offer a better range of hotels, restaurants, shops & culture.

Luckily there are signs of 'improvement' with a few independent cafes offering coffee using freshly roast and ground coffee, good coffee machines and made by trained baristas (this is a growing area as we are all starting to appreciate a good coffee). And the new baker in Westbourne has top class bread and patisserie, and is always busy. So there are people here who appreciate and will pay for a good product.

If you are happy to eat in the chains, no problem, and yes I do go to Zizzi very occasionally. And I really do like Wagamama (there's one I forgot!), and I hear the Guildhall (fish) in Poole is brilliant. But if I want a meal in comfortable, relaxed surprising, with creative cooking and fresh locally produced ingredients with lots of fresh vegetables, then I am still looking.
[quote][p][bold]whiterosesway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whiterosesway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.[/p][/quote]I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets? I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus. As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.[/p][/quote]A walk through the Winter Gardens will take you past Valentino's and La Strada, a couple of perfectly decent Italian restaurants, to a car park. No sign of S&D. You really should get out more.[/p][/quote]A walk through the Winter Gardens will not take you past the 2 restaurants you mention, they are up the hill! And thank you, but I think I know the area pretty well and probably spend more time out and about than post. I also take an interest in facilities offered both to tourists and myself/my own visitors. If you can name one restaurant in Bournemouth that offers fresh seasonal local produce (asparagus, artichokes, Jersey Royals, Strawberries, Isle of Wight tomatoes, watercress), I would love to know. I am not knocking the restaurants that you have recommended, but they are not for me. Now clearly we all have different tastes and budgets, but we are a big town with a mix of visitors, and can offer a better range of hotels, restaurants, shops & culture. Luckily there are signs of 'improvement' with a few independent cafes offering coffee using freshly roast and ground coffee, good coffee machines and made by trained baristas (this is a growing area as we are all starting to appreciate a good coffee). And the new baker in Westbourne has top class bread and patisserie, and is always busy. So there are people here who appreciate and will pay for a good product. If you are happy to eat in the chains, no problem, and yes I do go to Zizzi very occasionally. And I really do like Wagamama (there's one I forgot!), and I hear the Guildhall (fish) in Poole is brilliant. But if I want a meal in comfortable, relaxed surprising, with creative cooking and fresh locally produced ingredients with lots of fresh vegetables, then I am still looking. bbird
  • Score: 0

11:00pm Wed 14 May 14

rozmister says...

bbird wrote:
whiterosesway wrote:
bbird wrote:
whiterosesway wrote:
bbird wrote:
Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre!

But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre!

At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing.

For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors).

And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these.

Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink???

It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.
I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.
Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets?

I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus.

As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.
A walk through the Winter Gardens will take you past Valentino's and La Strada, a couple of perfectly decent Italian restaurants, to a car park. No sign of S&D. You really should get out more.
A walk through the Winter Gardens will not take you past the 2 restaurants you mention, they are up the hill! And thank you, but I think I know the area pretty well and probably spend more time out and about than post. I also take an interest in facilities offered both to tourists and myself/my own visitors.

If you can name one restaurant in Bournemouth that offers fresh seasonal local produce (asparagus, artichokes, Jersey Royals, Strawberries, Isle of Wight tomatoes, watercress), I would love to know. I am not knocking the restaurants that you have recommended, but they are not for me. Now clearly we all have different tastes and budgets, but we are a big town with a mix of visitors, and can offer a better range of hotels, restaurants, shops & culture.

Luckily there are signs of 'improvement' with a few independent cafes offering coffee using freshly roast and ground coffee, good coffee machines and made by trained baristas (this is a growing area as we are all starting to appreciate a good coffee). And the new baker in Westbourne has top class bread and patisserie, and is always busy. So there are people here who appreciate and will pay for a good product.

If you are happy to eat in the chains, no problem, and yes I do go to Zizzi very occasionally. And I really do like Wagamama (there's one I forgot!), and I hear the Guildhall (fish) in Poole is brilliant. But if I want a meal in comfortable, relaxed surprising, with creative cooking and fresh locally produced ingredients with lots of fresh vegetables, then I am still looking.
The area you're calling the Winter Gardens is not the Winter Gardens. You're thinking of the Lower Gardens (leading from the Square through to the seafront) which is full of those hotdog/icecream/swee
ts huts, the Winter Gardens were where you will now find a large car park and La Strada and Valentinos. I think that's why you and whiterosesway are almost going round in circles, it's a simple mix up.

As for local produce - Monty's Lounge and the Arbor Restaurant use locally sourced seasonal food as well as the restaurant at the Marriot and I think (though I'm yet to eat there myself) the Highcliffe Grill. You can also get locally sourced food in quite a few of the little cafes around Pokesdown/Southbourn
e like the Little Pickle Deli that has fresh local crab from time to time which is to die for. I can't guarantee they'd have the exact items on your list in these establishments but knowing the people who run them I know they're passionate about locally sourced food :)

I'm looking forward to more restaurants hopefully joining them in the future now that Bournemouth is a sustainable city!
[quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whiterosesway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whiterosesway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbird[/bold] wrote: Let's hope this will be the beginning of a much needed regeneration of the town centre! But for a 5* hotel to survive, Bournemouth and the council need to think what is really needed to improve the centre! At the top of the list, we need some decent restaurants and cafes (with heated sun terraces). There is only one restaurant we go to (Da Mario Pizzeria), and a handful of cafes (Petit Prince, Espresso Kitchen, Cusina, South Coast Roast & Bosconova). These all feature well in Trip Advisor. Most of the other eateries are a relic of the dark ages, and the tourist they would have appealed to is disappearing. For inclement weather, we need a good cinema complex, a proper shopping mall (à la West Quay), and an Tate Art Gallery or similar (St Ives, Margate, Bexhill-on-Sea and others now have world standard art galleries which bring in affluent visitors). And what we definitely don't need: Drug addicts, alcoholics, deranged people. Drunk & disorderly Hen & Stag Parties. S&D Leisure's tacky cafes, amusements and ghastly markets. The Echo forums are just full off adverse comments about all of these. Walking through the beautiful Winter Gardens is just so depressing to see S&D's menus: hot dogs, burgers, crisps, ice-cream (not even a local brand) - and was it £4.75 for a hot dog and drink??? It really is quite embarrassing when we have visitors who don't know Bournemouth! I take them to the New Forest, Mudeford or Purbeck and definitely avoid Old Christchurch Road at any time, or the town centre in the evenings. How sad as we live in the most stunning setting, and this could be a world class resort. And if it's raining there really isn't much to do.[/p][/quote]I am sure that local hotels and restaurants, together with the council, will greatly appreciate your free advice on how to invest their surplus funds. Then, perhaps, one day you feel inclined to spend a bit more time (and money) in the town. As long as Trip Advisor recommends it, of course. You could also reacquaint yourself with the geography of the town you know so well. I am not aware of any S&D Leisure outlets in the Winter Gardens.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your kind words. Perhaps you shoukd reacquaint yourself with the town and walk through the Winter Gardens! Who do you think runs these outlets? I love Bournemouth. I chose to live here over anywhere else in the world. But things could be improved. You only have to read the vast majority of the Echo forums to see this is the general consensus. As for Trip Advisor, what can I say, the photos of bed bugs, dilapidated rooms, dodgy sheets etc (in a few hotels), says it all. Of course you have to use common sense when using TA, but used wisely it is brilliant. As is of course Scores on Doors (food hygiene scores) a when will hotels and restaurants be required to display the scores at the entrance - for the moment if there is nothing displayed I assume the worst and avoid the establishment.[/p][/quote]A walk through the Winter Gardens will take you past Valentino's and La Strada, a couple of perfectly decent Italian restaurants, to a car park. No sign of S&D. You really should get out more.[/p][/quote]A walk through the Winter Gardens will not take you past the 2 restaurants you mention, they are up the hill! And thank you, but I think I know the area pretty well and probably spend more time out and about than post. I also take an interest in facilities offered both to tourists and myself/my own visitors. If you can name one restaurant in Bournemouth that offers fresh seasonal local produce (asparagus, artichokes, Jersey Royals, Strawberries, Isle of Wight tomatoes, watercress), I would love to know. I am not knocking the restaurants that you have recommended, but they are not for me. Now clearly we all have different tastes and budgets, but we are a big town with a mix of visitors, and can offer a better range of hotels, restaurants, shops & culture. Luckily there are signs of 'improvement' with a few independent cafes offering coffee using freshly roast and ground coffee, good coffee machines and made by trained baristas (this is a growing area as we are all starting to appreciate a good coffee). And the new baker in Westbourne has top class bread and patisserie, and is always busy. So there are people here who appreciate and will pay for a good product. If you are happy to eat in the chains, no problem, and yes I do go to Zizzi very occasionally. And I really do like Wagamama (there's one I forgot!), and I hear the Guildhall (fish) in Poole is brilliant. But if I want a meal in comfortable, relaxed surprising, with creative cooking and fresh locally produced ingredients with lots of fresh vegetables, then I am still looking.[/p][/quote]The area you're calling the Winter Gardens is not the Winter Gardens. You're thinking of the Lower Gardens (leading from the Square through to the seafront) which is full of those hotdog/icecream/swee ts huts, the Winter Gardens were where you will now find a large car park and La Strada and Valentinos. I think that's why you and whiterosesway are almost going round in circles, it's a simple mix up. As for local produce - Monty's Lounge and the Arbor Restaurant use locally sourced seasonal food as well as the restaurant at the Marriot and I think (though I'm yet to eat there myself) the Highcliffe Grill. You can also get locally sourced food in quite a few of the little cafes around Pokesdown/Southbourn e like the Little Pickle Deli that has fresh local crab from time to time which is to die for. I can't guarantee they'd have the exact items on your list in these establishments but knowing the people who run them I know they're passionate about locally sourced food :) I'm looking forward to more restaurants hopefully joining them in the future now that Bournemouth is a sustainable city! rozmister
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11:28pm Wed 14 May 14

bbird says...

Thanks rozmister! Will check out on a map! Yes have heard about Little Pickle Deli and wanted to check it out, but think I read on on Trip Advisor they are looking into improving their coffee, so will wait till they have! Have looked round Southbourne and Pokesdown and sometimes pop in for a 'Monmouth' coffee at the fish shop!, and I have had recommendations for the Larder Room. But to be honest the most creative and tempting menu for me is at the Pig in Brockenhurst, yes a bit pretentious for some, but I enjoyed a wonderful wild onion soup, followed by nettle potato dumplings with dandelions. Now that is something I have never made at home, and I will go out of my way for.
Thanks rozmister! Will check out on a map! Yes have heard about Little Pickle Deli and wanted to check it out, but think I read on on Trip Advisor they are looking into improving their coffee, so will wait till they have! Have looked round Southbourne and Pokesdown and sometimes pop in for a 'Monmouth' coffee at the fish shop!, and I have had recommendations for the Larder Room. But to be honest the most creative and tempting menu for me is at the Pig in Brockenhurst, yes a bit pretentious for some, but I enjoyed a wonderful wild onion soup, followed by nettle potato dumplings with dandelions. Now that is something I have never made at home, and I will go out of my way for. bbird
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