£1m of taxpayer's money spent on foreign language interpreters by Dorset Police and the CPS

Lost in translation: £1m of taxpayer's money spent on foreign language interpreters

Danilo Restivo

Robert Oxley from the TaxPayers' Alliance

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MORE than one million pounds of taxpayers’ money has been spent on foreign language interpreters in Dorset by police and the CPS in just five years.

From defendants, prosecution witnesses to victim support, the cost of translation in the county can now be revealed by the Echo.

Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that more than half of this huge amount was spent in between 2008 and 2011.

The Echo has been told that high but declining costs fall in line with the changes in the way interpreters are hired by police and the CPS as well as the expansion of the European Union and waves of immigration into the county, in those years.

Dorset Police’s highest spend in the past five years was £224,696.35 in 2009/10, while the CPS spent the most in 2010/11 – at £16,987.

Translation costs have declined in the past two years, totalling £76,290.28 for Dorset Police in 2013/14 so far and just £9,741 by the CPS in 2012/13.

The most requested interpreters to help defendants, witnesses and victims were for Polish translation.

Translation costs also includes interpreting legal documents.

It is not only visitors from overseas who get help.

Huge sums are also paid to provide translation for long-term residents.

Among the criminals who have used the service is killer Danilo Restivo originally from Italy, who is serving a 40-year minimum life sentence for the murder of Dorset mum Heather Barnett in 2002.

A spokesman for Dorset Police said that this case demonstrated that the cost was dependent on case and crime.

In 2011, the Ministry of Justice outsourced interpretation work to private firm Applied Language Solutions (ALS) in a bid to save £18m a year.

ALS was sold to Capita, an outsourcing and recruitment company, before the contract began, and is now run as Capita Translation and Interpreting.

Dorset Police has contracts with LanguageLine Solutions and Deafinite (British Sign Language) concerning interpreters and translation work.

But those behind The Professional Interpreters for Justice campaign are calling for change.

One of the campaign’s three aims is to bring back the direct employment of freelance interpreters by the courts and police services.

The Dorset Police spokesman said: “The cost of interpreters is case and crime dependant- if, for example, it is a murder trial like that of Heather Barnett it could run on for years.

She added: “The regional contract which Dorset Police is involved with has seen a decrease in translation costs.”

The Race Relations Act simply says that all parts of the community should have access to services.

The Human Rights Act only requires translation if someone is arrested or charged with a criminal offence.

What they spent

Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act revealed the amount spent on foreign language interpreter and translation costs for each financial year over the past five years.

Dorset Police

2008/2009 £201,759.58

2009/10 £224,696.35

2010/11 £206,476.54

2011/12 £185,103.66

2012/13 £107,494.42

2013/14 £76,290.38

Overall total for police spend: £1,001,820.93

The Crown Prosecution Service

2008/2009 £14,168

2009/10 £11,765

2010/11 £16,987

2011/12 £10,542

2012/13 £9,741

Overall total for Crown Prosecution Service spend is £63,203

Overall spend: £1,065,023.93

‘Lamentable’ state of our police and courts

“It is a lamentable situation that the courts and police find themselves in,” says the chief executive of the Institute of Translation and Interpreting.

Paul Wilson spoke about his concerns following on from the Ministry of Justice outsourcing interpretation work in 2011.

He said that since this move many ‘good people have left the industry due to the derisory pay and conditions’.

He said: “It is a lamentable situation that the courts and police find themselves in.

“Good advice and information was ignored by the government procurement service when the contract was provided to a single supplier and that since outsourcing many good people have left the industry due to the derisory pay and conditions.

“The public ultimately suffer through poor cost control which can compromise the justice system overall.”

Although Dorset Police is part of a south west regional contract, Mr Wilson added: “Some police forces are included and some not.

“Those that are not are still using the old system or have developed their own – this is just another crazy outcome of the outsourcing framework agreement and lack of consultation at the outset.

“It is good that the police forces have resisted the government pressure to fall into line however the situation is not necessarily ideal and The Professional Interpreters for Justice campaign is working towards what that might be.”

TaxPayers' Alliance blasts waste of money

Robert Oxley, campaign director at the TaxPayers' Alliance, said: “It is ludicrous that such a huge amount of money should be wasted on interpreters and translation costs.

“The CPS will occasionally need to engage interpreters for visitors needing help in the UK but the amount spent on interpreters suggest that regular residents may be asking for translations services as well.

“Those living in the UK but needing translation are placing an extra burden on taxpayers.

“Cutting the amount spent on translation is an easy way of cutting waste without affecting front-line services."

‘Interpreters also saving public funds’

A former Dorset Police interpreter says it is ‘unreasonable’ to consider these high translation and interpreter costs alone.

Svetlana Savrasova, of Weymouth, who worked to translate Polish and Russian for the county’s force, told the Echo that there is more behind the figures.

She is urging people to consider the money that interpreters save the taxpayer through their work and also to consider the benefits brought in by those who have moved here from other countries in terms of employment and multi-culturalism.

She says patterns in the figures, whereby the cost is much higher between 2008 and 2011, correlate with the expansion of the EU and waves of Polish immigration to the UK.

She told the Echo: “If you look at these figures alone it is unreasonable.

“Interpreters are assisting in an understanding people who have come into a new country and are settling into a new culture and getting used to the laws such as driving regulations which may be different to their own country.

“When I worked for Dorset Police all interpreters were freelance and paid £30 an hour for a minimum of three hours.

“For the first five years that I worked I earned £600 a year because there wasn’t a need for Russian or Polish translation.

“When more immigrants appeared, which you can see in these figures, we were dealing with a lot of small crimes which occurred due to cultural difference like driving offences.

“They are not people who normally broke the law but had moved to a new country.

“At my best time I was earning £40,000 a year before tax and expenses but this was when more the Polish immigration wave hit the UK five years ago and these people were settling into the country.

“If I had a job now I would earn around half of this because those who moved here in the immigration wave have either settled into the culture with their children going to the local schools and acting as their translators – or they have gone back to their countries.”

The Russian-born 53-year-old said: “It is well and good to look at the overall cost of translation but it is also important to consider the money that interpreters save by communicating between prisoners, victims and those accused – and making it so they can be understand and potentially prevent further long to term costs or even going to prison – which costs the taxpayer £80 a day.”

She added: “What struck me most about my former job was the lack of support for interpreters – I dealt with a murder case and I needed psychological support after that – it cost me £35 a week.

“We deal with the evilness of police work and were not supported.”

The former interpreter was diagnosed with stage three ovarian cancer four years ago. She said: “Polish people are the most hardworking people – so instead of looking at the cost of interpretation in the police or the CPS we should consider the benefits they have brought to this country such as hard work.

“Many Dorset companies would go under without them, they work the longest hours and weekends for the same rates. You will always find they are the last to leave the factory floor.”

CPS: Costs of translation necessary in giving evidence

The costs of translation are necessary to ‘allow victims and witnesses the best opportunity to give their evidence’, according to the CPS.

A CPS spokesperson said: “The CPS spent £63,203 over a period of five years for the use of translation cost or foreign language interpreters.

“The CPS requires the uses of language interpreters for victims and prosecution witnesses only when they give evidence at court hearings.

“We need to be able to allow the victims and witnesses the best opportunity.”

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10:01am Fri 28 Mar 14

PokesdownMark says...

Between 500 and 600 quid a day for translation across the whole of both police and CPS... that actually doesn't seem too bad!
Between 500 and 600 quid a day for translation across the whole of both police and CPS... that actually doesn't seem too bad! PokesdownMark
  • Score: -19

10:04am Fri 28 Mar 14

High Treason says...

Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well. High Treason
  • Score: 35

10:06am Fri 28 Mar 14

RM says...

When my ex-daughter in law had to appear in Court in Spain it was her responsibility to engage & pay for a translator/interpret
er, not the Court's. As Spain is also an EU country why are we doing it differently here?
When my ex-daughter in law had to appear in Court in Spain it was her responsibility to engage & pay for a translator/interpret er, not the Court's. As Spain is also an EU country why are we doing it differently here? RM
  • Score: 41

10:13am Fri 28 Mar 14

we-shall-see says...

A sign of the times with far too many immigrants coming over here and not for useful or working purposes by the sound of it! I wonder how many of them were deported afterwards? I bet it was NONE!

Also, why the heck did Restivo need an interpreter? He's lived over here for more than 10 years, so surely he should have a good grasp of the language by now?! No doubt it was another of his ploys to play the whole system by pretending he doesn't understand what is being said to him. What a total b***ard!!
A sign of the times with far too many immigrants coming over here and not for useful or working purposes by the sound of it! I wonder how many of them were deported afterwards? I bet it was NONE! Also, why the heck did Restivo need an interpreter? He's lived over here for more than 10 years, so surely he should have a good grasp of the language by now?! No doubt it was another of his ploys to play the whole system by pretending he doesn't understand what is being said to him. What a total b***ard!! we-shall-see
  • Score: 27

10:20am Fri 28 Mar 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

This country is fubar.

And it needn't be.

We just need to toughen up.

Bleeding heart liberals are to blame and always will be.
This country is fubar. And it needn't be. We just need to toughen up. Bleeding heart liberals are to blame and always will be. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 25

10:49am Fri 28 Mar 14

beachcomber1 says...

there's a Scottish woman who works at the JobCentre. she needs a translator!
there's a Scottish woman who works at the JobCentre. she needs a translator! beachcomber1
  • Score: 6

10:57am Fri 28 Mar 14

Controversial But True says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
there's a Scottish woman who works at the JobCentre. she needs a translator!
You should know what "Geet a jub" means!
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: there's a Scottish woman who works at the JobCentre. she needs a translator![/p][/quote]You should know what "Geet a jub" means! Controversial But True
  • Score: 11

11:12am Fri 28 Mar 14

Frank28 says...

They'll have to try and recruit more foreign nationals into such jobs. However, it's virtually impossible to recruit people who come from foreign countries where the Police Force is corrupt.
They'll have to try and recruit more foreign nationals into such jobs. However, it's virtually impossible to recruit people who come from foreign countries where the Police Force is corrupt. Frank28
  • Score: -7

11:31am Fri 28 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP! muscliffman
  • Score: 17

11:59am Fri 28 Mar 14

crispy_pants says...

And you need to add in the NHS counseling services. AND probably many more.
And you need to add in the NHS counseling services. AND probably many more. crispy_pants
  • Score: 11

12:10pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BoscVegas says...

muscliffman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
I really do not understand why people are so short minded to think that immigration is a modern issue. it is not. Free movement of people within Europe, north Africa and Asia has pretty much existed since year dot. Secondly mass immigration from further a field is a throw back from colonial times and is our equivalent of affirmative action for the wrongs that were carried out in that period.

With regards to this story specifically, you wouldn't expect a native English speaker to be able to fully understand the complexities of UK law without legal representation so what is the difference?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP![/p][/quote]I really do not understand why people are so short minded to think that immigration is a modern issue. it is not. Free movement of people within Europe, north Africa and Asia has pretty much existed since year dot. Secondly mass immigration from further a field is a throw back from colonial times and is our equivalent of affirmative action for the wrongs that were carried out in that period. With regards to this story specifically, you wouldn't expect a native English speaker to be able to fully understand the complexities of UK law without legal representation so what is the difference? BoscVegas
  • Score: -16

12:30pm Fri 28 Mar 14

High Treason says...

BoscVegas wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
I really do not understand why people are so short minded to think that immigration is a modern issue. it is not. Free movement of people within Europe, north Africa and Asia has pretty much existed since year dot. Secondly mass immigration from further a field is a throw back from colonial times and is our equivalent of affirmative action for the wrongs that were carried out in that period.

With regards to this story specifically, you wouldn't expect a native English speaker to be able to fully understand the complexities of UK law without legal representation so what is the difference?
When abroad you usually have to pay for your own translator.
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP![/p][/quote]I really do not understand why people are so short minded to think that immigration is a modern issue. it is not. Free movement of people within Europe, north Africa and Asia has pretty much existed since year dot. Secondly mass immigration from further a field is a throw back from colonial times and is our equivalent of affirmative action for the wrongs that were carried out in that period. With regards to this story specifically, you wouldn't expect a native English speaker to be able to fully understand the complexities of UK law without legal representation so what is the difference?[/p][/quote]When abroad you usually have to pay for your own translator. High Treason
  • Score: 14

12:43pm Fri 28 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Why don't they Bill the embassy of the country .I thought it was their responsibility to look after their citizens
Why don't they Bill the embassy of the country .I thought it was their responsibility to look after their citizens kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 10

12:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

John T says...

Flush with the knowledge gained here, perhaps our intrepid Echo Reporter might now like to investigate how much has been creamed off in Dorset on Legal Aid payments to solicitors, both in respect of Brits and Johnny Foreigner.
Flush with the knowledge gained here, perhaps our intrepid Echo Reporter might now like to investigate how much has been creamed off in Dorset on Legal Aid payments to solicitors, both in respect of Brits and Johnny Foreigner. John T
  • Score: 13

1:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

we-shall-see says...

muscliffman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
I think if you look at the manifesto of UKIP, you will find they are also proposing to allow more immigrants into this small and grossly over populated island of ours and do not want us out of the EU either for that matter.

UKIP = Tories in disguise. Don't be fooled by their spin, because like the Tories they are very good at bluff and bluster .....
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP![/p][/quote]I think if you look at the manifesto of UKIP, you will find they are also proposing to allow more immigrants into this small and grossly over populated island of ours and do not want us out of the EU either for that matter. UKIP = Tories in disguise. Don't be fooled by their spin, because like the Tories they are very good at bluff and bluster ..... we-shall-see
  • Score: -11

1:32pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BoscVegas says...

High Treason wrote:
BoscVegas wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
I really do not understand why people are so short minded to think that immigration is a modern issue. it is not. Free movement of people within Europe, north Africa and Asia has pretty much existed since year dot. Secondly mass immigration from further a field is a throw back from colonial times and is our equivalent of affirmative action for the wrongs that were carried out in that period.

With regards to this story specifically, you wouldn't expect a native English speaker to be able to fully understand the complexities of UK law without legal representation so what is the difference?
When abroad you usually have to pay for your own translator.
The ways that legal and political systems discriminate in other countries is not relevant. We are talking about the UK and here we have the right to legal representation whether we can afford it or not.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP![/p][/quote]I really do not understand why people are so short minded to think that immigration is a modern issue. it is not. Free movement of people within Europe, north Africa and Asia has pretty much existed since year dot. Secondly mass immigration from further a field is a throw back from colonial times and is our equivalent of affirmative action for the wrongs that were carried out in that period. With regards to this story specifically, you wouldn't expect a native English speaker to be able to fully understand the complexities of UK law without legal representation so what is the difference?[/p][/quote]When abroad you usually have to pay for your own translator.[/p][/quote]The ways that legal and political systems discriminate in other countries is not relevant. We are talking about the UK and here we have the right to legal representation whether we can afford it or not. BoscVegas
  • Score: -7

1:39pm Fri 28 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

we-shall-see wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
I think if you look at the manifesto of UKIP, you will find they are also proposing to allow more immigrants into this small and grossly over populated island of ours and do not want us out of the EU either for that matter.

UKIP = Tories in disguise. Don't be fooled by their spin, because like the Tories they are very good at bluff and bluster .....
Suffice to say that maybe you need to become a little more informed about UKIP and their policies, especially as their foundation policy regarding the EU was previously the Labour Party's position - not the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP![/p][/quote]I think if you look at the manifesto of UKIP, you will find they are also proposing to allow more immigrants into this small and grossly over populated island of ours and do not want us out of the EU either for that matter. UKIP = Tories in disguise. Don't be fooled by their spin, because like the Tories they are very good at bluff and bluster .....[/p][/quote]Suffice to say that maybe you need to become a little more informed about UKIP and their policies, especially as their foundation policy regarding the EU was previously the Labour Party's position - not the Tories. muscliffman
  • Score: 5

5:27pm Fri 28 Mar 14

esquisquirrel says...

What's that sound I can hear? Sounds like a...yes, I'm sure...it's a dogwhistle.
What's that sound I can hear? Sounds like a...yes, I'm sure...it's a dogwhistle. esquisquirrel
  • Score: -3

5:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Vortigern says...

I'm an immigrant from an English-speaking country, and I had to take, and pay for, a literacy test to prove I could read, write, and speak the language before I was allowed to stay.

How come no one else has to?
I'm an immigrant from an English-speaking country, and I had to take, and pay for, a literacy test to prove I could read, write, and speak the language before I was allowed to stay. How come no one else has to? Vortigern
  • Score: 14

6:36pm Fri 28 Mar 14

breamoreboy says...

we-shall-see wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded.
Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.
The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process.

As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP!
I think if you look at the manifesto of UKIP, you will find they are also proposing to allow more immigrants into this small and grossly over populated island of ours and do not want us out of the EU either for that matter.

UKIP = Tories in disguise. Don't be fooled by their spin, because like the Tories they are very good at bluff and bluster .....
Small and grossly over populated island? I suggest you move to Japan, roughly our size, twice the population, 80% mountainous, now that's over populated.
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Simply another cost of the UK's open border policy. This country has become the pits, slave working immigrants, illegal workers and fiddled benefit claims. Housing shortage, schools and the NHS etc overloaded. Yet they claim immigration pays. No wonder UKIP is doing well.[/p][/quote]The politicians never asked any of us if we wanted the UK to become multi-cultural, so no chance of us being consulted about the detail - such as our Country becoming multi-lingual as part of that same process. As you say no wonder millions of UK voters from across the political spectrum are thinking UKIP![/p][/quote]I think if you look at the manifesto of UKIP, you will find they are also proposing to allow more immigrants into this small and grossly over populated island of ours and do not want us out of the EU either for that matter. UKIP = Tories in disguise. Don't be fooled by their spin, because like the Tories they are very good at bluff and bluster .....[/p][/quote]Small and grossly over populated island? I suggest you move to Japan, roughly our size, twice the population, 80% mountainous, now that's over populated. breamoreboy
  • Score: -5

11:06pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RM says...

Vortigern wrote:
I'm an immigrant from an English-speaking country, and I had to take, and pay for, a literacy test to prove I could read, write, and speak the language before I was allowed to stay.

How come no one else has to?
I doubt you'll get an answer via a public forum, although most people reading this know the answer. And, if anyone did answer truthfully, the politically correct thought police would be on their doorstep in an instant, charging them with a Hate Crime & leading them away in handcuffs. Ask one of your mates, preferably when you're alone with them. Don't be misled into thinking the UK is the land of Free Speech.
[quote][p][bold]Vortigern[/bold] wrote: I'm an immigrant from an English-speaking country, and I had to take, and pay for, a literacy test to prove I could read, write, and speak the language before I was allowed to stay. How come no one else has to?[/p][/quote]I doubt you'll get an answer via a public forum, although most people reading this know the answer. And, if anyone did answer truthfully, the politically correct thought police would be on their doorstep in an instant, charging them with a Hate Crime & leading them away in handcuffs. Ask one of your mates, preferably when you're alone with them. Don't be misled into thinking the UK is the land of Free Speech. RM
  • Score: 2

11:16pm Fri 28 Mar 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
Between 500 and 600 quid a day for translation across the whole of both police and CPS... that actually doesn't seem too bad!
You pay all of it then!
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Why should I contribute to this nonsense?
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Foreigners should have insurance before they come here to cover these things.
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The asylum lot should hit the books fast if they really care. 'Hard life' blah blah. They can't even be bothered to visit the free libraries!!
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This is why the nation is in debt! Foreign Aid in billions but then they all come blagging here too. Cut them all off!!
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: Between 500 and 600 quid a day for translation across the whole of both police and CPS... that actually doesn't seem too bad![/p][/quote]You pay all of it then! . Why should I contribute to this nonsense? . Foreigners should have insurance before they come here to cover these things. . The asylum lot should hit the books fast if they really care. 'Hard life' blah blah. They can't even be bothered to visit the free libraries!! . This is why the nation is in debt! Foreign Aid in billions but then they all come blagging here too. Cut them all off!! HRH of Boscombe
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8:20am Sat 29 Mar 14

s-pb2 says...

As usual the same idiots here have failed to grasp why there is a need for interpreters. Instead they have re-lit their torches and got their pitchforks out the shed without engaging their brains!

Interpreters are needed not only for those who are accused by a crime but also those who have witnessed a crime. Im sure if you were mugged on the street and the only witness was a Polish lady across the road then you will be grateful that she was able to give evidence against the accused with the help of an interpreter.

Although I do wonder that some here will still need an interpreter to understand basic common sense.
As usual the same idiots here have failed to grasp why there is a need for interpreters. Instead they have re-lit their torches and got their pitchforks out the shed without engaging their brains! Interpreters are needed not only for those who are accused by a crime but also those who have witnessed a crime. Im sure if you were mugged on the street and the only witness was a Polish lady across the road then you will be grateful that she was able to give evidence against the accused with the help of an interpreter. Although I do wonder that some here will still need an interpreter to understand basic common sense. s-pb2
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9:56am Sat 29 Mar 14

Glashen says...

You have to take into account the other side of the equation as well, the benefits that immigration brings in being an open and broad society, the benefits of income from the foreign students and the benefits of allowing the hard working and industrious to make a life here, amongst others against the costs we incur but in this case costs are now being controlled and reduced. I think there can be a case for being a bit tougher in expecting those living here to learn the language sooner rather than later, but if you get involved with the police you have a right to understand what is going on.
You have to take into account the other side of the equation as well, the benefits that immigration brings in being an open and broad society, the benefits of income from the foreign students and the benefits of allowing the hard working and industrious to make a life here, amongst others against the costs we incur but in this case costs are now being controlled and reduced. I think there can be a case for being a bit tougher in expecting those living here to learn the language sooner rather than later, but if you get involved with the police you have a right to understand what is going on. Glashen
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10:55am Sat 29 Mar 14

s-pb2 says...

Glashen wrote:
You have to take into account the other side of the equation as well, the benefits that immigration brings in being an open and broad society, the benefits of income from the foreign students and the benefits of allowing the hard working and industrious to make a life here, amongst others against the costs we incur but in this case costs are now being controlled and reduced. I think there can be a case for being a bit tougher in expecting those living here to learn the language sooner rather than later, but if you get involved with the police you have a right to understand what is going on.
You can always look at it the other way.

How many ex-pats living in Spain can speak Spanish? Not many I imagine
[quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: You have to take into account the other side of the equation as well, the benefits that immigration brings in being an open and broad society, the benefits of income from the foreign students and the benefits of allowing the hard working and industrious to make a life here, amongst others against the costs we incur but in this case costs are now being controlled and reduced. I think there can be a case for being a bit tougher in expecting those living here to learn the language sooner rather than later, but if you get involved with the police you have a right to understand what is going on.[/p][/quote]You can always look at it the other way. How many ex-pats living in Spain can speak Spanish? Not many I imagine s-pb2
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