Poole council to consider Forelle Estate's £400k offer to buy land at Marshes End tonight

The £400k question: Will Poole council accept offer to buy land at Marshes End?

CONTROVERSIAL: An artist’s impression of how the site might look

TALKS: Cllr Judy Butt

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POOLE councillors will tonight consider an offer that could fill the coffers with £400,000 and result in a landmark building offering employment to 200 people.

Creekmoor councillors Judy Butt, Les Burden and John Rampton called for the extraordinary council meeting to discuss the offer from Forelle Estates to buy land at Marshes End.

Cllr Butt, who is hoping that councillors will accept the offer said: “This is not a speculative bid, it is a genuine offer and it is still on the table.”

The land had been designated as a possible site for a traveller transit site but was thrown out at a special planning committee meeting held on March 20.

Forelle, which owns Forelle House and Phoenix House next to the Marshes End site, wants to build new offices on the piece of land.

The Poole commercial property company initially offered £250,000 for the site, which was turned down by chief executive John McBride in February. However it then upped the offer to £350,000 and to £400,000 on March 17.

The company has confirmed its final offer is on the table until March 31 – which managing director Michael Price says is twice the level of an independent open market valuation for the plot.

Cllr Butt said: “It could turn this into something good for Poole and good for Creekmoor. It would turn scrubland into a gateway building offering 200 jobs and give the council a capital receipt of £400,000.

“We could go and buy a site, private land, and do it in consultation with all the councillors, follow the process and it would be properly chosen.”

In a letter to the council Mr Price said: “The site at Safety Drive is a prominent gateway site and could be developed with property the borough could be proud of as a place for business.”

The special Borough of Poole meeting takes place at 5pm at the Civic Centre.

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5:58am Fri 28 Mar 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: -9

6:46am Fri 28 Mar 14

RM says...

Chris@Bmouth wrote:
400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
What 'recovering' economy is that? The largest growing part of the economy seems to be food banks (and thank goodness for them) - hardly a sign of recovery.
[quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]What 'recovering' economy is that? The largest growing part of the economy seems to be food banks (and thank goodness for them) - hardly a sign of recovery. RM
  • Score: 3

7:02am Fri 28 Mar 14

MMM444 says...

Chris@Bmouth wrote:
400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better
[quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better MMM444
  • Score: 11

7:29am Fri 28 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Unless someone comes foreward with a better offer .then surely they are bound to accept it.for the good and benefit of the people.Be interesting to see if they get planning permission by way of thanks
Unless someone comes foreward with a better offer .then surely they are bound to accept it.for the good and benefit of the people.Be interesting to see if they get planning permission by way of thanks kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 10

7:32am Fri 28 Mar 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

MMM444 wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better
Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.
[quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better[/p][/quote]Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: -6

7:37am Fri 28 Mar 14

ashleycross says...

Why not just sell off all the kids playing areas, recreation grounds, football pitches and school sports fields? Quite frankly they might as well with all the use people will get out of them this summer.This is because the council can't move travellers on because the site at Marsh End isn't being used as a transit site. We need councillors who use recreation grounds by taking exercise to be prepared to fight for doing the right thing and providing a proper transit site.
Why not just sell off all the kids playing areas, recreation grounds, football pitches and school sports fields? Quite frankly they might as well with all the use people will get out of them this summer.This is because the council can't move travellers on because the site at Marsh End isn't being used as a transit site. We need councillors who use recreation grounds by taking exercise to be prepared to fight for doing the right thing and providing a proper transit site. ashleycross
  • Score: -19

7:40am Fri 28 Mar 14

Chris@Bmouth says...

RM wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
What 'recovering' economy is that? The largest growing part of the economy seems to be food banks (and thank goodness for them) - hardly a sign of recovery.
Sounds like someone is quite bitter about not being able to afford a 32million boat of some kind.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]What 'recovering' economy is that? The largest growing part of the economy seems to be food banks (and thank goodness for them) - hardly a sign of recovery.[/p][/quote]Sounds like someone is quite bitter about not being able to afford a 32million boat of some kind. Chris@Bmouth
  • Score: -4

9:08am Fri 28 Mar 14

BarrHumbug says...

I'd bite their hands off, I'm surprised that offer is still on the table, it was made when there was the threat of it becoming a traveller site, now that has been rejected, i'd withdraw the offer and go back to £250k saying "you should have taken it when you had the chance?"
I'd bite their hands off, I'm surprised that offer is still on the table, it was made when there was the threat of it becoming a traveller site, now that has been rejected, i'd withdraw the offer and go back to £250k saying "you should have taken it when you had the chance?" BarrHumbug
  • Score: 15

9:55am Fri 28 Mar 14

RM says...

Chris@Bmouth wrote:
RM wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
What 'recovering' economy is that? The largest growing part of the economy seems to be food banks (and thank goodness for them) - hardly a sign of recovery.
Sounds like someone is quite bitter about not being able to afford a 32million boat of some kind.
I'm completely confused as to how a comment about the economy & the need for food banks becomes bitterness about not owning a 32M boat? Illogical.
[quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]What 'recovering' economy is that? The largest growing part of the economy seems to be food banks (and thank goodness for them) - hardly a sign of recovery.[/p][/quote]Sounds like someone is quite bitter about not being able to afford a 32million boat of some kind.[/p][/quote]I'm completely confused as to how a comment about the economy & the need for food banks becomes bitterness about not owning a 32M boat? Illogical. RM
  • Score: 3

10:03am Fri 28 Mar 14

we-shall-see says...

I will bet my hat they won;t accept the offer - yet. If they accept it immediately, they will be accused of putting money over the wants and expectations of the travelling community ..... but I expect they will enter into talks behind closed doors at some later date and accept it in time when they hope it has all died down and we've "forgotten" .....

Incidentally, do we *really* need more offices in Poole when so many in the town centre are standing empty? Yet more concrete monstrosities in the borough does not add to it's beauty, or benefit the people who live here :o/
I will bet my hat they won;t accept the offer - yet. If they accept it immediately, they will be accused of putting money over the wants and expectations of the travelling community ..... but I expect they will enter into talks behind closed doors at some later date and accept it in time when they hope it has all died down and we've "forgotten" ..... Incidentally, do we *really* need more offices in Poole when so many in the town centre are standing empty? Yet more concrete monstrosities in the borough does not add to it's beauty, or benefit the people who live here :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: -4

10:04am Fri 28 Mar 14

we-shall-see says...

I will bet my hat they won't accept the offer - yet. If they accept it immediately, they will be accused of putting money over the wants and expectations of the travelling community ..... but I expect they will enter into talks behind closed doors at some later date and accept it in time when they hope it has all died down and we've "forgotten" .....

Incidentally, do we *really* need more offices in Poole when so many in the town centre are standing empty? Yet more concrete monstrosities in the borough does not add to it's beauty, or benefit the people who live here :o/
I will bet my hat they won't accept the offer - yet. If they accept it immediately, they will be accused of putting money over the wants and expectations of the travelling community ..... but I expect they will enter into talks behind closed doors at some later date and accept it in time when they hope it has all died down and we've "forgotten" ..... Incidentally, do we *really* need more offices in Poole when so many in the town centre are standing empty? Yet more concrete monstrosities in the borough does not add to it's beauty, or benefit the people who live here :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: -3

10:16am Fri 28 Mar 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Put a site next to the Nuffield recycling centre. The smell will put them off but a site will have been provided for them and so when they trespass on other land they have no legitimate argument.

Leeches.
Put a site next to the Nuffield recycling centre. The smell will put them off but a site will have been provided for them and so when they trespass on other land they have no legitimate argument. Leeches. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 5

10:33am Fri 28 Mar 14

phonehome says...

Accept the £400k - it's a no-brainer.

£400k now and business rates for everafterwards.

Current income from site = £0
Accept the £400k - it's a no-brainer. £400k now and business rates for everafterwards. Current income from site = £0 phonehome
  • Score: 8

11:00am Fri 28 Mar 14

KLH says...

That building in the picture looks like a scaled down Imax.....
That building in the picture looks like a scaled down Imax..... KLH
  • Score: 0

11:12am Fri 28 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

ashleycross wrote:
Why not just sell off all the kids playing areas, recreation grounds, football pitches and school sports fields? Quite frankly they might as well with all the use people will get out of them this summer.This is because the council can't move travellers on because the site at Marsh End isn't being used as a transit site. We need councillors who use recreation grounds by taking exercise to be prepared to fight for doing the right thing and providing a proper transit site.
The sale of that land will give the council the £250k it will cost to build a traveller site elsewhere, it will leave £150k which can be spent on securing areas where travellers have trespassed before and the new building will not only create 200 jobs but the yearly revenue raised for it will more than cover the running costs of a transit site. I really do struggle to think of any logic reason why the Council would not jump at that offer but then logical decisions are seldom seen in the council chambers lately!
[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote: Why not just sell off all the kids playing areas, recreation grounds, football pitches and school sports fields? Quite frankly they might as well with all the use people will get out of them this summer.This is because the council can't move travellers on because the site at Marsh End isn't being used as a transit site. We need councillors who use recreation grounds by taking exercise to be prepared to fight for doing the right thing and providing a proper transit site.[/p][/quote]The sale of that land will give the council the £250k it will cost to build a traveller site elsewhere, it will leave £150k which can be spent on securing areas where travellers have trespassed before and the new building will not only create 200 jobs but the yearly revenue raised for it will more than cover the running costs of a transit site. I really do struggle to think of any logic reason why the Council would not jump at that offer but then logical decisions are seldom seen in the council chambers lately! Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 11

11:22am Fri 28 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k.
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The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle.
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Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.
Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k. . The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle. . Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents. BmthNewshound
  • Score: -5

12:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jo__Go says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k.
.
The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle.
.
Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.
BoP have taken an independent valuation (Savills, I think) though we don't yet know the results of that. That will feed into their decision tonight.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k. . The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle. . Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.[/p][/quote]BoP have taken an independent valuation (Savills, I think) though we don't yet know the results of that. That will feed into their decision tonight. Jo__Go
  • Score: 1

12:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jo__Go says...

Chris@Bmouth wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better
Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.
Sell a £200k piece of land for £400k, then reinvest in more, higher quality land. Clearly you know little about commercial reality!
[quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better[/p][/quote]Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.[/p][/quote]Sell a £200k piece of land for £400k, then reinvest in more, higher quality land. Clearly you know little about commercial reality! Jo__Go
  • Score: 0

12:18pm Fri 28 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

The land is now not worth £400K as the council is not allowed to build a camp site on it. If they do sell it, I wonder what they'll waste the money on? It sure as hell won't go towards anything worthwhile!
The land is now not worth £400K as the council is not allowed to build a camp site on it. If they do sell it, I wonder what they'll waste the money on? It sure as hell won't go towards anything worthwhile! speedy231278
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Fri 28 Mar 14

nothingtofear says...

Chris@Bmouth wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better
Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.
What does 'positive gear naturally' mean?
[quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better[/p][/quote]Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.[/p][/quote]What does 'positive gear naturally' mean? nothingtofear
  • Score: 1

12:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

DorsetFerret says...

£400.000 just about covers what BoP have already spent on the travellers fiasco. More future jobs has to be a better option.
£400.000 just about covers what BoP have already spent on the travellers fiasco. More future jobs has to be a better option. DorsetFerret
  • Score: 6

4:02pm Fri 28 Mar 14

littlechuffer says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k.
.
The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle.
.
Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.
Its pretty obvious why they want to buy this land so badly. Its to stop the risk that their building next door wont devalue if the council ever try to reapply for planning permission on the land.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k. . The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle. . Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.[/p][/quote]Its pretty obvious why they want to buy this land so badly. Its to stop the risk that their building next door wont devalue if the council ever try to reapply for planning permission on the land. littlechuffer
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

littlechuffer wrote:
BmthNewshound wrote:
Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k.
.
The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle.
.
Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.
Its pretty obvious why they want to buy this land so badly. Its to stop the risk that their building next door wont devalue if the council ever try to reapply for planning permission on the land.
If you're referring to the travellers Temporary Stopping Place for which planning permission was rejected as unsuitable for a number of reasons (totally different from a Transit Site which has to have more facilities), I'd hope the council wouldn't waste any more council tax payers money re-applying for it.
....
It's already designated for commercial/industria
l use, so the Forelle offer should accepted because that's what they want to use it for.
[quote][p][bold]littlechuffer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: Forelle Estates are obviously keen to get their hands on this land otherwise they wouldn't have increased their offer from £250k to £400k. . The Council should get an independent valuation on the land before accepting the offer and possibly consider putting the plot on the open market. They shouldn't allow themselves to be pressured into making a quick decision based on a deadline set by Forelle. . Unlike Bournemouth Council which hands over valuable public land to a dodgy regeneration company Poole should make sure that they are getting the best deal for local residents.[/p][/quote]Its pretty obvious why they want to buy this land so badly. Its to stop the risk that their building next door wont devalue if the council ever try to reapply for planning permission on the land.[/p][/quote]If you're referring to the travellers Temporary Stopping Place for which planning permission was rejected as unsuitable for a number of reasons (totally different from a Transit Site which has to have more facilities), I'd hope the council wouldn't waste any more council tax payers money re-applying for it. .... It's already designated for commercial/industria l use, so the Forelle offer should accepted because that's what they want to use it for. Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Jo__Go says...

News just in ... in a rare outbreak of common sense, the council is accepting the offer!!!
News just in ... in a rare outbreak of common sense, the council is accepting the offer!!! Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

6:56pm Fri 28 Mar 14

RM says...

Yes, they did. They will be starting negotiations.
Yes, they did. They will be starting negotiations. RM
  • Score: 2

7:41pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

Well done Forelle
Well done Forelle BIGTONE
  • Score: 1

3:50am Sat 29 Mar 14

MMM444 says...

nothingtofear wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote:
MMM444 wrote:
Chris@Bmouth wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.
Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better
Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.
What does 'positive gear naturally' mean?
Dont look like your going to get a positive answer, must get me self in gear, im off.
[quote][p][bold]nothingtofear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MMM444[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris@Bmouth[/bold] wrote: 400k for a site like that. Keep it, it'll be worth far more soon with the 'recovering' economy.[/p][/quote]Site like what?????, It's contaminated land, and sits next to a dangerous and noisy by-pass 24/7, sooner its cleaned up and developed for office space the better[/p][/quote]Its commercial not residential. With a prominent location like that with the 'best' transport link in Poole, it will positive gear naturally if the council hold onto it. If it was residential, then that would be a different story. Clearly you dont know much about property.[/p][/quote]What does 'positive gear naturally' mean?[/p][/quote]Dont look like your going to get a positive answer, must get me self in gear, im off. MMM444
  • Score: 0

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