Campaigners’ hopes lifted as Transport Minister agrees to pay visit to Pokesdown Railway station

Campaigners at Pokesdown station

Campaigners at Pokesdown station

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TRANSPORT Minister Stephen Hammond has agreed to visit Pokesdown Railway Station and speak to campaigners who want working lifts installed.

He was invited by Bournemouth East MP Tobias Ellwood, who has joined forces with Pokesdown Community Forum to call on South West Trains to improve access to the station which had 312,000 users in 2011-12.

Mr Ellwood said he hoped the minister’s support would be a major boost to the campaign, which seeks to persuade South West Trains to recommend the station for improvement as part of the government’s Access for All scheme.

“I was disappointed with the initial ministerial response that it was ‘up to South West Trains’ to recommend the station, and the company then said it wasn’t their responsibility,” he said.

“But the minister accepted my invitation to visit Bournemouth and take a look at the situation first hand. Hopefully this will put more energy behind securing funding to repair the lifts so badly needed by the community.”

Currently the station, which according to Pokesdown Community Forum is the second busiest in the wider area, is only accessible via 42 steps from road level.

There have been no working lifts for around 30 years.

Last month the forum, supported by Bournemouth Chamber of Commerce, Southbourne Business Association and Pokesdown Children’s Centre, launched an online petition, which has been signed by more than 1,100 people.

Mr Ellwood plans to present the petition to the Secretary of State for Transport in the House of Commons.

Forum secretary Andy Jones said: “We are very pleased to hear about the minister’s visit.

“We have really been making progress in recent weeks, with Tobias fighting our corner in parliament, but there is still quite a way to go.”

To sign the petition visit change.org/en-GB/ petitions/south-west-trains-network-rail-make-pokesdown-station-accessible.

DURING the visit, Mr Ellwood also plans to show the minister the junction of the A338 Wessex Way and Kings Park Drive.
He said the one-way junction was popular with visitors to AFC Bournemouth at the Goldsands Stadium, but resulted in heavy traffic locally as vehicles leaving the area were forced through Boscombe town centre.
“People go through there to get to the football and can’t get back out, and it is a nightmare during rush hour,” said Mr Ellwood.
“It should be a fairly simple thing to sort out, although it would probably cost about £500,000.”

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4:22pm Sat 22 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

I think the numbers of 312,000 users is a bit misleading as if someone is using the station on a regular basis to get to work or school/college (notice quite a few students use the station to/from Brockenhurst) they could be counted as a user twice a day on both outward and return journey and up to 200 days a year - so one regular passenger could be recorded as being 400 users. In which case the station has far fewer actual users than claimed.
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Now that I've got that off my chest. I think the problem installing a lift is that it could become a target for vandals and anti-social behaviour, especially when the station is not manned.
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On the issue the junction of the A338 Wessex Way and Kings Park Drive perhaps if the Council were not wasting so much money on the Three Towns Travel project on changes to road layouts in Boscombe and at top of Richmond Hill they would have enough money to tackle Mr Ellwoods problem.
I think the numbers of 312,000 users is a bit misleading as if someone is using the station on a regular basis to get to work or school/college (notice quite a few students use the station to/from Brockenhurst) they could be counted as a user twice a day on both outward and return journey and up to 200 days a year - so one regular passenger could be recorded as being 400 users. In which case the station has far fewer actual users than claimed. . Now that I've got that off my chest. I think the problem installing a lift is that it could become a target for vandals and anti-social behaviour, especially when the station is not manned. . On the issue the junction of the A338 Wessex Way and Kings Park Drive perhaps if the Council were not wasting so much money on the Three Towns Travel project on changes to road layouts in Boscombe and at top of Richmond Hill they would have enough money to tackle Mr Ellwoods problem. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Sat 22 Mar 14

addntox says...

Part of the problem is that if you cannot get up/down the stairs you have to go to Bournemouth/Christch
urch instead. There are many local people and tourists who would like to use the station but cannot due to lack of access. When a lift or other access - ramps etc are put in many more people will use the station.

It is good to see the petition taken serously
Part of the problem is that if you cannot get up/down the stairs you have to go to Bournemouth/Christch urch instead. There are many local people and tourists who would like to use the station but cannot due to lack of access. When a lift or other access - ramps etc are put in many more people will use the station. It is good to see the petition taken serously addntox
  • Score: 1

4:45pm Sat 22 Mar 14

whataboutthat says...

Perhaps he'll have time to look at the noddy train 'issue' too.
Perhaps he'll have time to look at the noddy train 'issue' too. whataboutthat
  • Score: 0

5:10pm Sat 22 Mar 14

roysses says...

Pokesdown station serves the eastern area of Bournemouth, including five miles of beaches, Pokesdown, Southbourne on Sea and Boscombe with its pier It also services Bournemouth Hospital and Littledown leisure centre. The Cherries have a 12,000 all seated stadium which is only 400 metres from the rail station. None of these assets are available for the disabled, young families with prams and buggies, the elderly and passengers with heavy luggage. The these passengers couls access the platform, there would be 450,000 visits a year
Pokesdown station serves the eastern area of Bournemouth, including five miles of beaches, Pokesdown, Southbourne on Sea and Boscombe with its pier It also services Bournemouth Hospital and Littledown leisure centre. The Cherries have a 12,000 all seated stadium which is only 400 metres from the rail station. None of these assets are available for the disabled, young families with prams and buggies, the elderly and passengers with heavy luggage. The these passengers couls access the platform, there would be 450,000 visits a year roysses
  • Score: 6

5:23pm Sat 22 Mar 14

lostsomewheresilly says...

roysses wrote:
Pokesdown station serves the eastern area of Bournemouth, including five miles of beaches, Pokesdown, Southbourne on Sea and Boscombe with its pier It also services Bournemouth Hospital and Littledown leisure centre. The Cherries have a 12,000 all seated stadium which is only 400 metres from the rail station. None of these assets are available for the disabled, young families with prams and buggies, the elderly and passengers with heavy luggage. The these passengers couls access the platform, there would be 450,000 visits a year
I have experienced myself and seen others with heavy luggage and manage on many occasions. I have helped and seen others help people with prams on many occasions, and those cope alone (done so myself)

Lifts = money + bad stats -> closure of station.

I think ramps are a more long term solution. Maybe not as 'easy' as a lift. But a lot cheaper to maintain, do not need to be manned and gives access to all those you have mentioned. These people need to think about the long run not the now!
[quote][p][bold]roysses[/bold] wrote: Pokesdown station serves the eastern area of Bournemouth, including five miles of beaches, Pokesdown, Southbourne on Sea and Boscombe with its pier It also services Bournemouth Hospital and Littledown leisure centre. The Cherries have a 12,000 all seated stadium which is only 400 metres from the rail station. None of these assets are available for the disabled, young families with prams and buggies, the elderly and passengers with heavy luggage. The these passengers couls access the platform, there would be 450,000 visits a year[/p][/quote]I have experienced myself and seen others with heavy luggage and manage on many occasions. I have helped and seen others help people with prams on many occasions, and those cope alone (done so myself) Lifts = money + bad stats -> closure of station. I think ramps are a more long term solution. Maybe not as 'easy' as a lift. But a lot cheaper to maintain, do not need to be manned and gives access to all those you have mentioned. These people need to think about the long run not the now! lostsomewheresilly
  • Score: 7

5:28pm Sat 22 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

Wonder how many of the 1,100 who signed the petition actually use the station.And newshound has a very good point about false claims of the number of station users.and knowing that area, there would be vandalism as newshound quite rightly pointed out.
Wonder how many of the 1,100 who signed the petition actually use the station.And newshound has a very good point about false claims of the number of station users.and knowing that area, there would be vandalism as newshound quite rightly pointed out. pete woodley
  • Score: 1

8:09am Sun 23 Mar 14

Dave2207 says...

Pokesdown Station is also well-served by buses, such as the 1a, 1b, 1c and M2, none of which stops near Bournemouth Central Station.
Pokesdown Station is also well-served by buses, such as the 1a, 1b, 1c and M2, none of which stops near Bournemouth Central Station. Dave2207
  • Score: 0

8:30am Sun 23 Mar 14

Phixer says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
I think the numbers of 312,000 users is a bit misleading as if someone is using the station on a regular basis to get to work or school/college (notice quite a few students use the station to/from Brockenhurst) they could be counted as a user twice a day on both outward and return journey and up to 200 days a year - so one regular passenger could be recorded as being 400 users. In which case the station has far fewer actual users than claimed.
.
Now that I've got that off my chest. I think the problem installing a lift is that it could become a target for vandals and anti-social behaviour, especially when the station is not manned.
.
On the issue the junction of the A338 Wessex Way and Kings Park Drive perhaps if the Council were not wasting so much money on the Three Towns Travel project on changes to road layouts in Boscombe and at top of Richmond Hill they would have enough money to tackle Mr Ellwoods problem.
Passengers travelling from/to Pokesdown 'use' it every journey, hence how the number is derived - quite simple really and standard practice for recording usage of public transport in its many forms; every 'use' is income for the railway. If you're disabled and need to use the lift, you would use it every journey.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: I think the numbers of 312,000 users is a bit misleading as if someone is using the station on a regular basis to get to work or school/college (notice quite a few students use the station to/from Brockenhurst) they could be counted as a user twice a day on both outward and return journey and up to 200 days a year - so one regular passenger could be recorded as being 400 users. In which case the station has far fewer actual users than claimed. . Now that I've got that off my chest. I think the problem installing a lift is that it could become a target for vandals and anti-social behaviour, especially when the station is not manned. . On the issue the junction of the A338 Wessex Way and Kings Park Drive perhaps if the Council were not wasting so much money on the Three Towns Travel project on changes to road layouts in Boscombe and at top of Richmond Hill they would have enough money to tackle Mr Ellwoods problem.[/p][/quote]Passengers travelling from/to Pokesdown 'use' it every journey, hence how the number is derived - quite simple really and standard practice for recording usage of public transport in its many forms; every 'use' is income for the railway. If you're disabled and need to use the lift, you would use it every journey. Phixer
  • Score: 0

9:10am Sun 23 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way!
But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way! muscliffman
  • Score: 0

9:13am Sun 23 Mar 14

chridrum says...

Can you show him the old Boscombe Station as well, re opening this would help with football and bring people into Boscome by train. You could even close Pokesdown with all it's accessibility issues and provide a decent station at Boscombe with parking on the old coal yard
Can you show him the old Boscombe Station as well, re opening this would help with football and bring people into Boscome by train. You could even close Pokesdown with all it's accessibility issues and provide a decent station at Boscombe with parking on the old coal yard chridrum
  • Score: 3

10:22am Sun 23 Mar 14

bmth & bosc athletic says...

muscliffman wrote:
But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way!
Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment.

Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way![/p][/quote]Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment. Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right. bmth & bosc athletic
  • Score: -3

11:12am Sun 23 Mar 14

pete woodley says...

Reopening Boscombe staiton would be great,and easy parking,is it possible,in the old days i used to catch the train from Branksome to get to football,so easy,same for shopping.
Reopening Boscombe staiton would be great,and easy parking,is it possible,in the old days i used to catch the train from Branksome to get to football,so easy,same for shopping. pete woodley
  • Score: 4

5:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

Pokesdown station is actually such a dump and installing lifts would be so darn expensive (a la Brockenhurst) that re-opening Boscombe is actually quite a good idea...not that it will ever happen!
Pokesdown station is actually such a dump and installing lifts would be so darn expensive (a la Brockenhurst) that re-opening Boscombe is actually quite a good idea...not that it will ever happen! Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

bmth & bosc athletic wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way!
Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment.

Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.
As most of the UK population would have to travel many miles to access this County's railway network there is absolutely nothing at all 'bizarre' in my point! Have you tried catching a train in Ringwood, Verwood or Blandford lately?
[quote][p][bold]bmth & bosc athletic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way![/p][/quote]Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment. Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.[/p][/quote]As most of the UK population would have to travel many miles to access this County's railway network there is absolutely nothing at all 'bizarre' in my point! Have you tried catching a train in Ringwood, Verwood or Blandford lately? muscliffman
  • Score: 3

9:47pm Sun 23 Mar 14

bmth & bosc athletic says...

muscliffman wrote:
bmth & bosc athletic wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way!
Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment.

Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.
As most of the UK population would have to travel many miles to access this County's railway network there is absolutely nothing at all 'bizarre' in my point! Have you tried catching a train in Ringwood, Verwood or Blandford lately?
There's a difference between denying access and then talking about something that doesn't exist anymore. Plenty of people round here don't use the train because it's in accessible. Daft really. Once people are in the car for a morning commute a few stops they are hardly going to get out and pay for parking at Bournemouth. As pointed out main bus routes don't stop at the station.

Any other business would be hauled up for breaking disability laws but the rail network try and get around this ... unfortunately the way round it is to ring up 24 hours ahead. Anyway, as said if you think we should just let things fall apart and live in the past that's your choice. Personally I would like to see things improve. Hey, maybe one day sense will be seen and every station will be accessible, and even places like Ringwood will get a station back! The point you are probably missing though is that national funding is actually available for this...so why not try and get the money here rather than stations elsewhere outside of our area?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth & bosc athletic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way![/p][/quote]Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment. Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.[/p][/quote]As most of the UK population would have to travel many miles to access this County's railway network there is absolutely nothing at all 'bizarre' in my point! Have you tried catching a train in Ringwood, Verwood or Blandford lately?[/p][/quote]There's a difference between denying access and then talking about something that doesn't exist anymore. Plenty of people round here don't use the train because it's in accessible. Daft really. Once people are in the car for a morning commute a few stops they are hardly going to get out and pay for parking at Bournemouth. As pointed out main bus routes don't stop at the station. Any other business would be hauled up for breaking disability laws but the rail network try and get around this ... unfortunately the way round it is to ring up 24 hours ahead. Anyway, as said if you think we should just let things fall apart and live in the past that's your choice. Personally I would like to see things improve. Hey, maybe one day sense will be seen and every station will be accessible, and even places like Ringwood will get a station back! The point you are probably missing though is that national funding is actually available for this...so why not try and get the money here rather than stations elsewhere outside of our area? bmth & bosc athletic
  • Score: -1

12:15pm Mon 24 Mar 14

muscliffman says...

bmth & bosc athletic wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
bmth & bosc athletic wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way!
Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment.

Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.
As most of the UK population would have to travel many miles to access this County's railway network there is absolutely nothing at all 'bizarre' in my point! Have you tried catching a train in Ringwood, Verwood or Blandford lately?
There's a difference between denying access and then talking about something that doesn't exist anymore. Plenty of people round here don't use the train because it's in accessible. Daft really. Once people are in the car for a morning commute a few stops they are hardly going to get out and pay for parking at Bournemouth. As pointed out main bus routes don't stop at the station.

Any other business would be hauled up for breaking disability laws but the rail network try and get around this ... unfortunately the way round it is to ring up 24 hours ahead. Anyway, as said if you think we should just let things fall apart and live in the past that's your choice. Personally I would like to see things improve. Hey, maybe one day sense will be seen and every station will be accessible, and even places like Ringwood will get a station back! The point you are probably missing though is that national funding is actually available for this...so why not try and get the money here rather than stations elsewhere outside of our area?
The problem is this "Plenty of people round here don't use the train because it's in accessible" because that is quite simply untrue. Especially when two perfectly accessible Stations are only a few minutes away by car/taxi and by plenty of fully accessible public buses (direct or indirect).

There can be NO justification for spending this money on any new facilities at Pokesdown Station when good nearby convenient alternatives are already provided for the very small number of people who may require them.
[quote][p][bold]bmth & bosc athletic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bmth & bosc athletic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: But then the fully accessible Bournemouth and Christchurch Stations are only minutes away from Pokesdown Station so I am not sure this is really a big problem as nobody is being denied perfectly reasonable access to the trains. We would all like a convenient Railway Station right at the end of our street sometimes, but it does not work that way![/p][/quote]Bizarre attitude in this day to say that people have to travel several miles to access the rail network. This attitude is not accepted in almost any other country now, so shouldn't be here. I guess some people like things stuck in the past, falling apart with no investment. Anyway, it is more than just making it accessible to disabled. People with kids, pushchairs, luggage etc can't use their local station. Most people don't think that is acceptable. It's bad for the economy, bad for tourism and basically not right.[/p][/quote]As most of the UK population would have to travel many miles to access this County's railway network there is absolutely nothing at all 'bizarre' in my point! Have you tried catching a train in Ringwood, Verwood or Blandford lately?[/p][/quote]There's a difference between denying access and then talking about something that doesn't exist anymore. Plenty of people round here don't use the train because it's in accessible. Daft really. Once people are in the car for a morning commute a few stops they are hardly going to get out and pay for parking at Bournemouth. As pointed out main bus routes don't stop at the station. Any other business would be hauled up for breaking disability laws but the rail network try and get around this ... unfortunately the way round it is to ring up 24 hours ahead. Anyway, as said if you think we should just let things fall apart and live in the past that's your choice. Personally I would like to see things improve. Hey, maybe one day sense will be seen and every station will be accessible, and even places like Ringwood will get a station back! The point you are probably missing though is that national funding is actually available for this...so why not try and get the money here rather than stations elsewhere outside of our area?[/p][/quote]The problem is this "Plenty of people round here don't use the train because it's in accessible" because that is quite simply untrue. Especially when two perfectly accessible Stations are only a few minutes away by car/taxi and by plenty of fully accessible public buses (direct or indirect). There can be NO justification for spending this money on any new facilities at Pokesdown Station when good nearby convenient alternatives are already provided for the very small number of people who may require them. muscliffman
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Mon 24 Mar 14

A N Archist says...

all this economic argument is irrelevant. All public transport should be accessible to everybody on a full equality basis exclusion of any kind on any grounds is unacceptable.

This is also part of a bigger transport issue. I have travelled Europe extensively on their rail networks and several things are immediately noticeable in Europe

1. they have a 7 day a week comprehensive rail service over a sizeable network. No sunday closedowns and replacement buses there.

2. Fares are, on average, 40% cheaper than in the UK.

3. Only very slightly reduced services on sundays and bank holidays.

So whats the common denominator. Their railways are, for the most part, state owned (there's a little bit of privatisation over there) even that great bastion of capitalism the USA understands that a railway is a public service and just another profit centre for the breadhead scum of Wall St.

The UK has to decide whether its going to kow-tow to the tyranny of private motoring and tarmac over this whole island or whether we need a reasonably priced public transport network driven by a service and not a profit making ethos. Over to you people. Urban gridlock is now a fact of life and the motoring boom of the 60's and 70's is now in ashes - doing nothing is not an option.
all this economic argument is irrelevant. All public transport should be accessible to everybody on a full equality basis exclusion of any kind on any grounds is unacceptable. This is also part of a bigger transport issue. I have travelled Europe extensively on their rail networks and several things are immediately noticeable in Europe 1. they have a 7 day a week comprehensive rail service over a sizeable network. No sunday closedowns and replacement buses there. 2. Fares are, on average, 40% cheaper than in the UK. 3. Only very slightly reduced services on sundays and bank holidays. So whats the common denominator. Their railways are, for the most part, state owned (there's a little bit of privatisation over there) even that great bastion of capitalism the USA understands that a railway is a public service and just another profit centre for the breadhead scum of Wall St. The UK has to decide whether its going to kow-tow to the tyranny of private motoring and tarmac over this whole island or whether we need a reasonably priced public transport network driven by a service and not a profit making ethos. Over to you people. Urban gridlock is now a fact of life and the motoring boom of the 60's and 70's is now in ashes - doing nothing is not an option. A N Archist
  • Score: -1

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