Thousands sign Hengistbury Head land train petition in bid to overturn council decision

Joyce Faris, owner of the Hengistbury Head land train, and mechanic Alan Barnard

Joyce Faris, owner of the Hengistbury Head land train, and mechanic Alan Barnard

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A PETITION calling for a 45-year-old land train at Hengistbury Head to be saved has been signed by more than 13,000 people.

Following the news that Bournemouth council will be ending its contract with Joyce Farris and the team who run the service, online and paper petitions were created by the train’s resident mechanic Alan Barnard.

The council instead plans to run their own land trains to Mudeford Spit from Hengistbury Head and eventually incorporate up to Alum Chine, with an extra stop added for the new Hengistbury Head Visitor Centre.

Since it was created at 8pm on Friday, the petition has seen thousands of signatures added to it online.

Joyce Faris, 88, the train’s owner, said she had ‘no idea’ that they would get such a ‘fantastic’ response from the public.

She added: “We are also getting a lot of signatures from people who have been using the trains over the weekend.

“I know that a lot of people do not want the other trains.”

Alan Barnard, who set up the petition, said: “It is unbelievable. I set it up hoping for 1,000 signatures and it has taken off.”

He added: “I believe that it has gone global, even to Australia, which even I am shocked about.

“We are going to keep going with this until Easter holidays, when there will be more people here.

“However, the council are not interested. They are absolutely adamant that their trains will cope with demand and be able to offer the same service, but it won’t.

“We have been on a yearly contract for at least the past 23 years that I have worked here and we never thought the council would put an end to it.”

The current land train will officially celebrate its 45th birthday in April, and will run for the final time on November 5, which is the final contracted day of service.

Petition derided and decision ‘final’

COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final.

He added: “If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from.

“Some of the things that the petition’s creator has said are also not true, including saying that we are planning to use Disney branding, and that we plan to increase the price. When Bournemouth council told Mrs Faris that we would be ending the contract, she agreed to it and said that she had been expecting it for a while.”

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6:14am Mon 17 Mar 14

WTFRUON says...

COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final.
He added
“If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from.
How can these two quotes be from one person
is it me or did he contradict his self . Twitching already it would seem
COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final. He added “If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from. How can these two quotes be from one person is it me or did he contradict his self . Twitching already it would seem WTFRUON
  • Score: 57

6:29am Mon 17 Mar 14

billy bumble says...

Williams - voters decisions are final too
Williams - voters decisions are final too billy bumble
  • Score: 80

6:35am Mon 17 Mar 14

Huey says...

I do not trust anyone in the council as they are meddling prats who are rarely held to account or actually listen to what people say.
I do however trust mrs faris who has been operating an excellent service for years.
I do not trust anyone in the council as they are meddling prats who are rarely held to account or actually listen to what people say. I do however trust mrs faris who has been operating an excellent service for years. Huey
  • Score: 122

7:10am Mon 17 Mar 14

Controversial But True says...

Such a typical Tory attitude - taking from the working classes!

Let's vote these monkeys out altogether!!
Such a typical Tory attitude - taking from the working classes! Let's vote these monkeys out altogether!! Controversial But True
  • Score: 57

7:46am Mon 17 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

“However, the council are not interested. They are absolutely adamant that their trains will cope with demand and be able to offer the same service,


Kerrching.......
“However, the council are not interested. They are absolutely adamant that their trains will cope with demand and be able to offer the same service, Kerrching....... BIGTONE
  • Score: 38

7:51am Mon 17 Mar 14

whataboutthat says...

Bournemouth Council - publish you proposals for the land train service including the fares and how you are going to cope with supplying all those wealthy (and vociferous) beach hut owners who require a trransport service for their kit - as well as bodies.
I think you have underestimated the problems here. The head is not a fun fair.
Bournemouth Council - publish you proposals for the land train service including the fares and how you are going to cope with supplying all those wealthy (and vociferous) beach hut owners who require a trransport service for their kit - as well as bodies. I think you have underestimated the problems here. The head is not a fun fair. whataboutthat
  • Score: 57

7:57am Mon 17 Mar 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

So ultimately the plan is to link Alum Chine with Mudeford sand spit via the prom. Pity they can't do the same for cyclists during the anti cycling season.
So ultimately the plan is to link Alum Chine with Mudeford sand spit via the prom. Pity they can't do the same for cyclists during the anti cycling season. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 18

8:09am Mon 17 Mar 14

Superuser says...

So "Cllr Lawrence Williams"; if “The existing land train service
at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of
years", could you explain why you don't want it to continue to
serve the community well in future?
This sounds like a badly thought through, change for changes
sake issue with a good measure of destroy some of the areas
history, thrown in for good measure.
So "Cllr Lawrence Williams"; if “The existing land train service at Hengistbury Head has served the area well for a number of years", could you explain why you don't want it to continue to serve the community well in future? This sounds like a badly thought through, change for changes sake issue with a good measure of destroy some of the areas history, thrown in for good measure. Superuser
  • Score: 62

8:12am Mon 17 Mar 14

SophieRJ says...

It wasnt the price increase or the disney branding that made me sign the petition... it is because we want to keep the noddy train at Hengistbury Head where it belongs...
It wasnt the price increase or the disney branding that made me sign the petition... it is because we want to keep the noddy train at Hengistbury Head where it belongs... SophieRJ
  • Score: 98

8:14am Mon 17 Mar 14

Chip in says...

If Lawrence Williams has been quoted correctly, his response was petulant and immature. It has been very refreshing to read there appears to be general agreement amongst Echo readers that the existing service should continue. Ordinarily, I have better things to do, but on this particular occasion I would be more than happy to write formally (pen and paper!) to provide Lawrence Williams with by Bournemouth address. If you have been quoted correctly Mr Williams, now would be a good time to apologise for your initial inappropriate response and respond in a manner befitting someone of your position. I will then accept your apology, however, I will still badger you right up until November 5th and will encourage others to do the same. Be gracious and do the right thing.
If Lawrence Williams has been quoted correctly, his response was petulant and immature. It has been very refreshing to read there appears to be general agreement amongst Echo readers that the existing service should continue. Ordinarily, I have better things to do, but on this particular occasion I would be more than happy to write formally (pen and paper!) to provide Lawrence Williams with by Bournemouth address. If you have been quoted correctly Mr Williams, now would be a good time to apologise for your initial inappropriate response and respond in a manner befitting someone of your position. I will then accept your apology, however, I will still badger you right up until November 5th and will encourage others to do the same. Be gracious and do the right thing. Chip in
  • Score: 85

8:22am Mon 17 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

So how many post will be created in the Town Hall to administrate it.

And when the land train runs the length of the prom it will encounter some problems with sun bathers lead on the prom at the Fishermans Walk / Southbourne end as it gets narrow there in places.
There again it could leave the prom at Boscombe and go via the Clifftop I am sure the Filers will enjoy it going past their door
So how many post will be created in the Town Hall to administrate it. And when the land train runs the length of the prom it will encounter some problems with sun bathers lead on the prom at the Fishermans Walk / Southbourne end as it gets narrow there in places. There again it could leave the prom at Boscombe and go via the Clifftop I am sure the Filers will enjoy it going past their door Lord Spring
  • Score: 18

8:24am Mon 17 Mar 14

xslee says...

Clueless, arrogant, out-of-touch...clear
ly not a well man, and best for all concerned if he resigned immediately.

Suggest that anyone who has signed the petition also write to him directly to point out the error of his ways, maybe then he'll listen.

lawrence.williams@bo
urnemouth.gov.uk
Clueless, arrogant, out-of-touch...clear ly not a well man, and best for all concerned if he resigned immediately. Suggest that anyone who has signed the petition also write to him directly to point out the error of his ways, maybe then he'll listen. lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk xslee
  • Score: 44

8:25am Mon 17 Mar 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Well Cllr Lawrence there are a lot of high profile events in Bournemouth this year that would be great opportunities for demonstrations about your "final" decision, I would do a u turn now to save face!
Well Cllr Lawrence there are a lot of high profile events in Bournemouth this year that would be great opportunities for demonstrations about your "final" decision, I would do a u turn now to save face! itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 28

8:28am Mon 17 Mar 14

itsneverblackorwhite says...

Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough:
◾Address:
8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY

◾Telephone:01202 393007
◾Mobile:07831 856669
◾Email: lawrence.williams@bo
urnemouth.gov.uk
Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough: ◾Address: 8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY ◾Telephone:01202 393007 ◾Mobile:07831 856669 ◾Email: lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk itsneverblackorwhite
  • Score: 85

8:28am Mon 17 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

Lord Spring wrote:
So how many post will be created in the Town Hall to administrate it.

And when the land train runs the length of the prom it will encounter some problems with sun bathers lead on the prom at the Fishermans Walk / Southbourne end as it gets narrow there in places.
There again it could leave the prom at Boscombe and go via the Clifftop I am sure the Filers will enjoy it going past their door
Or should I say admin posts
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: So how many post will be created in the Town Hall to administrate it. And when the land train runs the length of the prom it will encounter some problems with sun bathers lead on the prom at the Fishermans Walk / Southbourne end as it gets narrow there in places. There again it could leave the prom at Boscombe and go via the Clifftop I am sure the Filers will enjoy it going past their door[/p][/quote]Or should I say admin posts Lord Spring
  • Score: 12

8:46am Mon 17 Mar 14

wellsworld says...

Is this the same councillor who was wasting tax payers money illegally getting council workers to put traffic cones outside his and his neighnours houses each weekend at afcb games?
Is this the same councillor who was wasting tax payers money illegally getting council workers to put traffic cones outside his and his neighnours houses each weekend at afcb games? wellsworld
  • Score: 45

8:59am Mon 17 Mar 14

southbourne lover says...

If the council insist on joining Alum Chine to Hengistbury Head by land train, why can't their train stop where the Noddy Train starts?
If the council insist on joining Alum Chine to Hengistbury Head by land train, why can't their train stop where the Noddy Train starts? southbourne lover
  • Score: 53

9:09am Mon 17 Mar 14

skydriver says...

Who does Cllr Williams think he is. He must be totally stupid if he thinks the residents of Bournemouth will put up will this and your arrogance for that matter.
Better you resign now whilst you have a chance, otherwise doubtless you will pushed, and the chances of another position paid or otherwise will be in question. .
Now take a lead from another councillor who has just resigned .....
Who does Cllr Williams think he is. He must be totally stupid if he thinks the residents of Bournemouth will put up will this and your arrogance for that matter. Better you resign now whilst you have a chance, otherwise doubtless you will pushed, and the chances of another position paid or otherwise will be in question. . Now take a lead from another councillor who has just resigned ..... skydriver
  • Score: 37

9:13am Mon 17 Mar 14

George Bowling says...

The land train offers an excellent service all year round at no cost to the council tax payer.

Anything where Bournemouth Council gets involved spells disaster, but don't worry, the council tax payers will foot the bill.
The land train offers an excellent service all year round at no cost to the council tax payer. Anything where Bournemouth Council gets involved spells disaster, but don't worry, the council tax payers will foot the bill. George Bowling
  • Score: 41

9:15am Mon 17 Mar 14

TheMoneyGoRound says...

Typical, the council is no longer a public servant but has become a dictatorship for profit organisation who takes our public services as their own for power and control.
I'm against this service and many others being controlled forcefully by the council and their not open for debate attitude.
Typical, the council is no longer a public servant but has become a dictatorship for profit organisation who takes our public services as their own for power and control. I'm against this service and many others being controlled forcefully by the council and their not open for debate attitude. TheMoneyGoRound
  • Score: 28

9:21am Mon 17 Mar 14

flourishing says...

Is there an online petition we can sign or just at Hengistbury?
Is there an online petition we can sign or just at Hengistbury? flourishing
  • Score: 18

9:24am Mon 17 Mar 14

BarrHumbug says...

I wonder how many blindly signed this petition thinking there would be no alternative service at all? Thats the first impression I got when I saw it going around on Facebook?
I wonder how many blindly signed this petition thinking there would be no alternative service at all? Thats the first impression I got when I saw it going around on Facebook? BarrHumbug
  • Score: -44

9:30am Mon 17 Mar 14

rusty james says...

flourishing wrote:
Is there an online petition we can sign or just at Hengistbury?
Type in your search engine..
Save hengistbury head land train.
Be nice if the echo embedded a link though.
[quote][p][bold]flourishing[/bold] wrote: Is there an online petition we can sign or just at Hengistbury?[/p][/quote]Type in your search engine.. Save hengistbury head land train. Be nice if the echo embedded a link though. rusty james
  • Score: 24

9:31am Mon 17 Mar 14

zephglad says...

The reason my mother (Joyce Faris) seemed to accept the Council's decision initially was that she is a modest, unassuming person and doesn't like making a fuss. Alan and her family have spearheaded this public awareness campaign and the result speaks for itself. The Council should have consulted the public first. The idea would have been dead in the water.
The reason my mother (Joyce Faris) seemed to accept the Council's decision initially was that she is a modest, unassuming person and doesn't like making a fuss. Alan and her family have spearheaded this public awareness campaign and the result speaks for itself. The Council should have consulted the public first. The idea would have been dead in the water. zephglad
  • Score: 66

9:35am Mon 17 Mar 14

Townee says...

They lost the bidding on the Flying Scotsman so now they will go for the Bournemouth Belle because it sounds like a train.
They lost the bidding on the Flying Scotsman so now they will go for the Bournemouth Belle because it sounds like a train. Townee
  • Score: 9

9:40am Mon 17 Mar 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

I wrote in the original story that councillor Williams was 'arrogant' with his head up his backside.I think his comments proves that.

Has it crossed his mind that the petition may have been signed by regular tourist who use the train as well as local's ?

Let me remind you, Cllr Williams, 'You work for us and not the other way round.' Now do as 13,000 people have signed is to reverse the decision or you could be putting your political career as a very short one.Well, i hope so anyway.
I wrote in the original story that councillor Williams was 'arrogant' with his head up his backside.I think his comments proves that. Has it crossed his mind that the petition may have been signed by regular tourist who use the train as well as local's ? Let me remind you, Cllr Williams, 'You work for us and not the other way round.' Now do as 13,000 people have signed is to reverse the decision or you could be putting your political career as a very short one.Well, i hope so anyway. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 41

9:41am Mon 17 Mar 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

The petition has now received over 14,000 signatures and is available to saig here:

https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/s
ave-the-current-heng
istbury-head-land-tr
ain-service?bucket&s
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-button&time=1394871
961
The petition has now received over 14,000 signatures and is available to saig here: https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service?bucket&s ource=facebook-share -button&time=1394871 961 Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 20

9:46am Mon 17 Mar 14

vinmaster says...

Typical arrogant response from a council member who probably lives in the New Forest somewhere! Wonder how many votes he will lose on the next local election LOL
Typical arrogant response from a council member who probably lives in the New Forest somewhere! Wonder how many votes he will lose on the next local election LOL vinmaster
  • Score: 17

9:49am Mon 17 Mar 14

Bloss45 says...

"If it 'aint broke don't fix it" !!
"If it 'aint broke don't fix it" !! Bloss45
  • Score: 22

10:05am Mon 17 Mar 14

Steveo123 says...

"COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final".......Arrogan
t council worker !!!! They are supposed to work for us !!! Power has gone to his head !!! Pathetic....
"COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final".......Arrogan t council worker !!!! They are supposed to work for us !!! Power has gone to his head !!! Pathetic.... Steveo123
  • Score: 23

10:06am Mon 17 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

So only signatures from Bournemouth count - I wonder how successful that would be, were itto be only Bournemouth residents allowed to use the train.
So only signatures from Bournemouth count - I wonder how successful that would be, were itto be only Bournemouth residents allowed to use the train. Bob49
  • Score: 33

10:10am Mon 17 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
I wrote in the original story that councillor Williams was 'arrogant' with his head up his backside.I think his comments proves that.

Has it crossed his mind that the petition may have been signed by regular tourist who use the train as well as local's ?

Let me remind you, Cllr Williams, 'You work for us and not the other way round.' Now do as 13,000 people have signed is to reverse the decision or you could be putting your political career as a very short one.Well, i hope so anyway.
He could not work that one out that regular visitor may like the status quo that is why they are regular visitors showing an interest in their holiday venue.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: I wrote in the original story that councillor Williams was 'arrogant' with his head up his backside.I think his comments proves that. Has it crossed his mind that the petition may have been signed by regular tourist who use the train as well as local's ? Let me remind you, Cllr Williams, 'You work for us and not the other way round.' Now do as 13,000 people have signed is to reverse the decision or you could be putting your political career as a very short one.Well, i hope so anyway.[/p][/quote]He could not work that one out that regular visitor may like the status quo that is why they are regular visitors showing an interest in their holiday venue. Lord Spring
  • Score: 15

10:31am Mon 17 Mar 14

SimonJB says...

Email: lawrence.williams@bo
urnemouth.gov.uk
Come on guys & gals let him know how you feel by sending him a personal e-mail
The man's an arse!!
Email: lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk Come on guys & gals let him know how you feel by sending him a personal e-mail The man's an arse!! SimonJB
  • Score: 19

10:32am Mon 17 Mar 14

yasinac says...

itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough:
◾Address:
8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY

◾Telephone:I have emailed, I suggest as many people as possible (local, of course!) contact this arrogant man and put your feeling across. Implying that a petition means nothing if it's not signed by people that live in the area is rediculous, there are people all over the world that have an affection for this service, we are after all, a holiday destination! Silly man!
[quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough: ◾Address: 8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY ◾Telephone:I have emailed, I suggest as many people as possible (local, of course!) contact this arrogant man and put your feeling across. Implying that a petition means nothing if it's not signed by people that live in the area is rediculous, there are people all over the world that have an affection for this service, we are after all, a holiday destination! Silly man! yasinac
  • Score: 25

10:59am Mon 17 Mar 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Although I support the existing land train, I always thought one day there would be a proper railway to replace it, with the tracks to the side of the road and going straight through the woods and along the edge of the harbour and using steam engines and eco friendly battery electric locomotives. This would make walking and cycling safer and much more pleasant on the road. But the Bournemouth land train no -no,, what an ugly thing and straight out of Disneyland or the Spanish Costas.
Although I support the existing land train, I always thought one day there would be a proper railway to replace it, with the tracks to the side of the road and going straight through the woods and along the edge of the harbour and using steam engines and eco friendly battery electric locomotives. This would make walking and cycling safer and much more pleasant on the road. But the Bournemouth land train no -no,, what an ugly thing and straight out of Disneyland or the Spanish Costas. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 6

11:13am Mon 17 Mar 14

mchphoto says...

Why not bring back the NO 12 open top bus service, as this used to service Alum Chine to Hengistbury Head, going along the cliff tops, linking the piers and the scenic route to and from.

So in the past there was a solution and why was the number 12 removed from service? Please bring it back, it solves their objective of linking the two places and leave the Noddy train alone please.
Why not bring back the NO 12 open top bus service, as this used to service Alum Chine to Hengistbury Head, going along the cliff tops, linking the piers and the scenic route to and from. So in the past there was a solution and why was the number 12 removed from service? Please bring it back, it solves their objective of linking the two places and leave the Noddy train alone please. mchphoto
  • Score: 26

11:15am Mon 17 Mar 14

BmthNewshound says...

This decision is typical of the high handed attitude which is endemic within Bournemouth Council. The saying “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” should be the new motto of Bournemouth.
.
We can sign petitions and voice our discontent with the current autocratic regime that pervades under dictator Beesley but until the problem of voter apathy is addressed nothing will change.
This decision is typical of the high handed attitude which is endemic within Bournemouth Council. The saying “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” should be the new motto of Bournemouth. . We can sign petitions and voice our discontent with the current autocratic regime that pervades under dictator Beesley but until the problem of voter apathy is addressed nothing will change. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 15

11:16am Mon 17 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

Councillor Williams

Can you please publish a comparison of your proposed service to the existing one, so that we can all see how the proposed change will benefit the taxpayers of Bournemouth and the service? The people of Bournemouth can then determine, democratically, which service they will retain.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to carry out a survey, using the comparison, to find out which of the two options the service users and people of Bournemouth (which, I'm sure, includes many non-users) would choose.

Eg

Proposed: Runs only during the summer months.
Current: Runs all year (except Christmas Day).

Proposed: Carries Disney branding.
Current: No advertising.

Proposed: Cost to ratepayers of Bournemouth - £??? pa.
Current: Cost to ratepayers of Bournemouth - £0.

Proposed: Cost to service users - £?
Current: Cost to service users - £?

etc, etc,
Councillor Williams Can you please publish a comparison of your proposed service to the existing one, so that we can all see how the proposed change will benefit the taxpayers of Bournemouth and the service? The people of Bournemouth can then determine, democratically, which service they will retain. Perhaps it would be a good idea to carry out a survey, using the comparison, to find out which of the two options the service users and people of Bournemouth (which, I'm sure, includes many non-users) would choose. Eg Proposed: Runs only during the summer months. Current: Runs all year (except Christmas Day). Proposed: Carries Disney branding. Current: No advertising. Proposed: Cost to ratepayers of Bournemouth - £??? pa. Current: Cost to ratepayers of Bournemouth - £0. Proposed: Cost to service users - £? Current: Cost to service users - £? etc, etc, JackJohnson
  • Score: 21

11:20am Mon 17 Mar 14

EdBmth says...

Is this the COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams who got his position by polling 1743 votes in the last council elections ?

Also he says “Some of the things that the petition’s creator has said are also not true, including saying that we are planning to use Disney branding". No the petition does not say that, it describes the train as a Disney Train, so a descriptive term of the train rather than saying it is using Disney branding. If he is unable to get this simple, basic fact right how can we really trust any decsion he makes ?
Is this the COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams who got his position by polling 1743 votes in the last council elections ? Also he says “Some of the things that the petition’s creator has said are also not true, including saying that we are planning to use Disney branding". No the petition does not say that, it describes the train as a Disney Train, so a descriptive term of the train rather than saying it is using Disney branding. If he is unable to get this simple, basic fact right how can we really trust any decsion he makes ? EdBmth
  • Score: 25

11:35am Mon 17 Mar 14

skydriver says...

yasinac wrote:
itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough:
◾Address:
8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY

◾Telephone:I have emailed, I suggest as many people as possible (local, of course!) contact this arrogant man and put your feeling across. Implying that a petition means nothing if it's not signed by people that live in the area is rediculous, there are people all over the world that have an affection for this service, we are after all, a holiday destination! Silly man!I have emailed him, as he was not in the office when I telephoned I wonder if he will reply, don't it
Agin it raises the question who does he work for.......us has he forgotten that fact.
[quote][p][bold]yasinac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough: ◾Address: 8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY ◾Telephone:I have emailed, I suggest as many people as possible (local, of course!) contact this arrogant man and put your feeling across. Implying that a petition means nothing if it's not signed by people that live in the area is rediculous, there are people all over the world that have an affection for this service, we are after all, a holiday destination! Silly man![/p][/quote]I have emailed him, as he was not in the office when I telephoned I wonder if he will reply, don't it Agin it raises the question who does he work for.......us has he forgotten that fact. skydriver
  • Score: 16

11:43am Mon 17 Mar 14

jinglebell says...

Bob49 wrote:
So only signatures from Bournemouth count - I wonder how successful that would be, were itto be only Bournemouth residents allowed to use the train.
It seems B'mth Council forget the dependency we have on tourists, and foreign students. Of course, there will be petitions from people living outside Britain!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: So only signatures from Bournemouth count - I wonder how successful that would be, were itto be only Bournemouth residents allowed to use the train.[/p][/quote]It seems B'mth Council forget the dependency we have on tourists, and foreign students. Of course, there will be petitions from people living outside Britain! jinglebell
  • Score: 15

11:53am Mon 17 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

Perhaps the Councillor could explain how beach hut owners beyond the train stop will get their belongings to their huts without the landrover service. Many of them are elderly and beyond making several trips back and forth carrying their stuff from the train stop. Maybe he doesn't care because they are on Christchurch territory. The landrover also tows boats etc down there. Will the new trains even have the capacity to carry their belongings down there. One family with all their beach parerphenalia takes up a whole trailer on the current train and in busy periods several families will arrive at the same time. The current train has the flexibility to add on extra trailers. With the new trains running every 40mins there could be quite a long wait for people.
Can we also know how the traders that work on the huts in the winter months and make deliveries in the summer will get in and out? The train office currently manage the gate, will this continue? Presumably not in the winter if the train is not running. What about beach hut owners who have permits to drive down in march and october to carry out repairs/ move belongings?

Have they calculated the size of turning circle required by the new train? Expanding the current turning circle on the sandspit will surely eat into the SSSI. Have they consulted Natural England?

The extra stop at the visitor centre is very telling, funneling people straight into the shop.

I will be emailing the councillor today since he is so keen to hear from local people.

I'm sure all the day trippers and holiday makers will be pleased to hear that their opinion on tourist facilities is not welcome.
Perhaps the Councillor could explain how beach hut owners beyond the train stop will get their belongings to their huts without the landrover service. Many of them are elderly and beyond making several trips back and forth carrying their stuff from the train stop. Maybe he doesn't care because they are on Christchurch territory. The landrover also tows boats etc down there. Will the new trains even have the capacity to carry their belongings down there. One family with all their beach parerphenalia takes up a whole trailer on the current train and in busy periods several families will arrive at the same time. The current train has the flexibility to add on extra trailers. With the new trains running every 40mins there could be quite a long wait for people. Can we also know how the traders that work on the huts in the winter months and make deliveries in the summer will get in and out? The train office currently manage the gate, will this continue? Presumably not in the winter if the train is not running. What about beach hut owners who have permits to drive down in march and october to carry out repairs/ move belongings? Have they calculated the size of turning circle required by the new train? Expanding the current turning circle on the sandspit will surely eat into the SSSI. Have they consulted Natural England? The extra stop at the visitor centre is very telling, funneling people straight into the shop. I will be emailing the councillor today since he is so keen to hear from local people. I'm sure all the day trippers and holiday makers will be pleased to hear that their opinion on tourist facilities is not welcome. eyesropen
  • Score: 23

11:53am Mon 17 Mar 14

NM Exile says...

“If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from.”

So, is Councillor Lawrence Williams suggesting that Hengistbury Head is exclusively for the use of local residents? Is he suggesting that those who visit year on year, bringing tourism money to the area, should mind their own business?

I have shared the link to the petition via email and social media, and have had many comments from people outside the area, who have visited over the years and have fond memories of the Noddy Train.

Surely, Councillor Williams, these are all people that you are trying to attract to an area heavily reliant on TOURISM!!!
“If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from.” So, is Councillor Lawrence Williams suggesting that Hengistbury Head is exclusively for the use of local residents? Is he suggesting that those who visit year on year, bringing tourism money to the area, should mind their own business? I have shared the link to the petition via email and social media, and have had many comments from people outside the area, who have visited over the years and have fond memories of the Noddy Train. Surely, Councillor Williams, these are all people that you are trying to attract to an area heavily reliant on TOURISM!!! NM Exile
  • Score: 19

12:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

FACT...No member of the Economy and Tourism panel knew nothing about this.It was only until they read it in the Daily Echo.Therefore it was a Cabinet decision.

In previous meeting's this was not on the agenda.So Daily Echo please telephone the members of that panel and ask them.
FACT...No member of the Economy and Tourism panel knew nothing about this.It was only until they read it in the Daily Echo.Therefore it was a Cabinet decision. In previous meeting's this was not on the agenda.So Daily Echo please telephone the members of that panel and ask them. politicaltrainspotter
  • Score: 15

12:16pm Mon 17 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
FACT...No member of the Economy and Tourism panel knew nothing about this.It was only until they read it in the Daily Echo.Therefore it was a Cabinet decision.

In previous meeting's this was not on the agenda.So Daily Echo please telephone the members of that panel and ask them.
I took this from the BBC website. Obviously it is meaningless if the cabinet are able to make decisions without consulting the relevant panel. The strength of feeling about this decision surely means that it should be taken to full council??

"In Bournemouth we operate the following democratic structure -
A Cabinet of 10 elected Councillors runs Bournemouth Borough Council.
Six Overview and Scrutiny Panels that help the Cabinet and full Council with developing new policy or reviewing current policy. The Panels also monitor performance and spending for each of the Council’s priority areas. In addition, there is an Overview and Scrutiny Management Panel that is responsible for co-ordinating the Council’s overview and scrutiny function.
Full Council acts as a watchdog, making sure that the Cabinet’s decisions are in the best interests of the people of Bournemouth. The Cabinet refers many key decisions to the full Council, because they are so important that all Councillors need to be involved."
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: FACT...No member of the Economy and Tourism panel knew nothing about this.It was only until they read it in the Daily Echo.Therefore it was a Cabinet decision. In previous meeting's this was not on the agenda.So Daily Echo please telephone the members of that panel and ask them.[/p][/quote]I took this from the BBC website. Obviously it is meaningless if the cabinet are able to make decisions without consulting the relevant panel. The strength of feeling about this decision surely means that it should be taken to full council?? "In Bournemouth we operate the following democratic structure - A Cabinet of 10 elected Councillors runs Bournemouth Borough Council. Six Overview and Scrutiny Panels that help the Cabinet and full Council with developing new policy or reviewing current policy. The Panels also monitor performance and spending for each of the Council’s priority areas. In addition, there is an Overview and Scrutiny Management Panel that is responsible for co-ordinating the Council’s overview and scrutiny function. Full Council acts as a watchdog, making sure that the Cabinet’s decisions are in the best interests of the people of Bournemouth. The Cabinet refers many key decisions to the full Council, because they are so important that all Councillors need to be involved." eyesropen
  • Score: 9

12:25pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Redgolfer says...

eyesropen wrote:
Perhaps the Councillor could explain how beach hut owners beyond the train stop will get their belongings to their huts without the landrover service. Many of them are elderly and beyond making several trips back and forth carrying their stuff from the train stop. Maybe he doesn't care because they are on Christchurch territory. The landrover also tows boats etc down there. Will the new trains even have the capacity to carry their belongings down there. One family with all their beach parerphenalia takes up a whole trailer on the current train and in busy periods several families will arrive at the same time. The current train has the flexibility to add on extra trailers. With the new trains running every 40mins there could be quite a long wait for people.
Can we also know how the traders that work on the huts in the winter months and make deliveries in the summer will get in and out? The train office currently manage the gate, will this continue? Presumably not in the winter if the train is not running. What about beach hut owners who have permits to drive down in march and october to carry out repairs/ move belongings?

Have they calculated the size of turning circle required by the new train? Expanding the current turning circle on the sandspit will surely eat into the SSSI. Have they consulted Natural England?

The extra stop at the visitor centre is very telling, funneling people straight into the shop.

I will be emailing the councillor today since he is so keen to hear from local people.

I'm sure all the day trippers and holiday makers will be pleased to hear that their opinion on tourist facilities is not welcome.
I did e-mail the councillor with my views as a Bournemouthian who has lived in the area for 67 years and was born here, every body else do the same Please, so he will get the Picture.
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the Councillor could explain how beach hut owners beyond the train stop will get their belongings to their huts without the landrover service. Many of them are elderly and beyond making several trips back and forth carrying their stuff from the train stop. Maybe he doesn't care because they are on Christchurch territory. The landrover also tows boats etc down there. Will the new trains even have the capacity to carry their belongings down there. One family with all their beach parerphenalia takes up a whole trailer on the current train and in busy periods several families will arrive at the same time. The current train has the flexibility to add on extra trailers. With the new trains running every 40mins there could be quite a long wait for people. Can we also know how the traders that work on the huts in the winter months and make deliveries in the summer will get in and out? The train office currently manage the gate, will this continue? Presumably not in the winter if the train is not running. What about beach hut owners who have permits to drive down in march and october to carry out repairs/ move belongings? Have they calculated the size of turning circle required by the new train? Expanding the current turning circle on the sandspit will surely eat into the SSSI. Have they consulted Natural England? The extra stop at the visitor centre is very telling, funneling people straight into the shop. I will be emailing the councillor today since he is so keen to hear from local people. I'm sure all the day trippers and holiday makers will be pleased to hear that their opinion on tourist facilities is not welcome.[/p][/quote]I did e-mail the councillor with my views as a Bournemouthian who has lived in the area for 67 years and was born here, every body else do the same Please, so he will get the Picture. Redgolfer
  • Score: 17

12:25pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Ferkster says...

Councillor Williams, expect a letter from me. U are an arrogant man who has no idea what you stand for. Bournemouth is the peoples town, not yours.

The train at hengistbury head is perfect... You could work with them if you really want a full link to alum chine. But let me guess, your arrogance means you have not thought of that! U just want the money...

Well Mr greedy and don't care about Bournemouth Williams... This train will be saved, your decision is never final as you have to listen to the people....

Is this what we pay our council tax for?
Councillor Williams, expect a letter from me. U are an arrogant man who has no idea what you stand for. Bournemouth is the peoples town, not yours. The train at hengistbury head is perfect... You could work with them if you really want a full link to alum chine. But let me guess, your arrogance means you have not thought of that! U just want the money... Well Mr greedy and don't care about Bournemouth Williams... This train will be saved, your decision is never final as you have to listen to the people.... Is this what we pay our council tax for? Ferkster
  • Score: 17

1:07pm Mon 17 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

Anybody who wants to put themselves up for election to Bournemouth Council now has an election promise that, as long as their other policies and plans are sensible, will guarantee them many votes.
Anybody who wants to put themselves up for election to Bournemouth Council now has an election promise that, as long as their other policies and plans are sensible, will guarantee them many votes. JackJohnson
  • Score: 7

1:17pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Dorset Logic says...

I think you Bournemouth peeps need to get organised and really do something about your council. Really full it up with Independent's of the non curtain twitching, what's in it for me type of Councillor.

Get back your town from the cone laying, brown envelope, IMAX theatre, Swimming Poole, Entertainment Cinema Complex, Bus Station late middle aged Harry Enfield characters that seem to rule the roost. pfffffff ,, pffffffff,
I think you Bournemouth peeps need to get organised and really do something about your council. Really full it up with Independent's of the non curtain twitching, what's in it for me type of Councillor. Get back your town from the cone laying, brown envelope, IMAX theatre, Swimming Poole, Entertainment Cinema Complex, Bus Station late middle aged Harry Enfield characters that seem to rule the roost. pfffffff ,, pffffffff, Dorset Logic
  • Score: 12

1:56pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Another_Visitor says...

itsneverblackorwhite wrote:
Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough:
◾Address:
8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY

◾Telephone:01202 393007
◾Mobile:07831 856669
◾Email: lawrence.williams@bo

urnemouth.gov.uk
This is the same Cllr Williams that instructed Council staff to put cones out in front of his house to stop Football supporters parking in his road. These cones are not legally enforceable, as confirmed by council officials, so why does the council continue to spend OUR money in satisfying the request of a Councillor.
[quote][p][bold]itsneverblackorwhite[/bold] wrote: Cllr Williams would like the people of Bournemouth to contact him personally so it would seem, fair enough: ◾Address: 8 Leeson Road Bournemouth BH7 7AY ◾Telephone:01202 393007 ◾Mobile:07831 856669 ◾Email: lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk[/p][/quote]This is the same Cllr Williams that instructed Council staff to put cones out in front of his house to stop Football supporters parking in his road. These cones are not legally enforceable, as confirmed by council officials, so why does the council continue to spend OUR money in satisfying the request of a Councillor. Another_Visitor
  • Score: 14

2:00pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Eggydip says...

To give the councillor some credit, I phoned him on the number printed in this comments section, left a message, and he returned my call within half-an-hour. Needless to say, we agreed to differ, and he intends to state his side of the story asap. However, I was somewhat astonished to hear that he's been advised NOT to read the comments on here, and so is not going to do so. Talk about sticking your head in the sand!
To give the councillor some credit, I phoned him on the number printed in this comments section, left a message, and he returned my call within half-an-hour. Needless to say, we agreed to differ, and he intends to state his side of the story asap. However, I was somewhat astonished to hear that he's been advised NOT to read the comments on here, and so is not going to do so. Talk about sticking your head in the sand! Eggydip
  • Score: 13

2:02pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Citizen D says...

How is it that in a democratic society we end up voting for dictators.
These people are elected on the basis of making promises that they will look after and support those that have put them in power and to make the society in which we live a fair and honest one.
Its about time these people were brought to book and made to pay the price for not listening to the people.
It is time to march and reclaim what is right fully ours,the things that as a country we have fought for, the things that make us British,the things that allow us to comment on a global basis without being global bullies.
We will fight them on the beaches!
How is it that in a democratic society we end up voting for dictators. These people are elected on the basis of making promises that they will look after and support those that have put them in power and to make the society in which we live a fair and honest one. Its about time these people were brought to book and made to pay the price for not listening to the people. It is time to march and reclaim what is right fully ours,the things that as a country we have fought for, the things that make us British,the things that allow us to comment on a global basis without being global bullies. We will fight them on the beaches! Citizen D
  • Score: 6

2:10pm Mon 17 Mar 14

askquestion says...

wouldnt it make a change for members of this council to interact with the people of this town. who they think they are is a mystery to me. what i do know is that they claim vast amounts of money each year to provide a public service. this was once a priviledge, but now a money spinner. the very least these people can do is to listen and act on what is needed by the tax/rate payers of this town. so many departments of the council are now run by dictatorships. they all know whats best for us !. the proof is there isnt it ? the I.M.A.X. the silly Reef. the gross overspend on the hengistbury head centre,and what ever happened to the proposed bus station ?. so i have reached the conclusion that there are far too many councillors with little to do, except dream up mad schemes that we are then supposed to submit too. not now, and hopefully , not ever. bad enough having a dictatorship in Parliament, let alone in the rather backward town.
wouldnt it make a change for members of this council to interact with the people of this town. who they think they are is a mystery to me. what i do know is that they claim vast amounts of money each year to provide a public service. this was once a priviledge, but now a money spinner. the very least these people can do is to listen and act on what is needed by the tax/rate payers of this town. so many departments of the council are now run by dictatorships. they all know whats best for us !. the proof is there isnt it ? the I.M.A.X. the silly Reef. the gross overspend on the hengistbury head centre,and what ever happened to the proposed bus station ?. so i have reached the conclusion that there are far too many councillors with little to do, except dream up mad schemes that we are then supposed to submit too. not now, and hopefully , not ever. bad enough having a dictatorship in Parliament, let alone in the rather backward town. askquestion
  • Score: 13

2:19pm Mon 17 Mar 14

rusty james says...

Email sent, petition signed, now what about an old style demo with placards and the press? Love to see a procession, led by the Noddy Train, causing traffic chaos as it made it's way to the town hall.
Email sent, petition signed, now what about an old style demo with placards and the press? Love to see a procession, led by the Noddy Train, causing traffic chaos as it made it's way to the town hall. rusty james
  • Score: 24

3:03pm Mon 17 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

It's pretty much conclusive what the public who have contributed to the discussion want, but what about Mrs Faris and her staff? Has anybody asked?
It's pretty much conclusive what the public who have contributed to the discussion want, but what about Mrs Faris and her staff? Has anybody asked? JackJohnson
  • Score: 7

3:17pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Gecho says...

"COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final.
He added: “If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from."
What an extraordinarily parochial attitude for someone in Cllr William's position. I live just over the boundary in Christchurch, but views from well beyond, up to London etc, should be important for leisure, tourism and culture in a resort like Bournemouth.
"COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final. He added: “If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from." What an extraordinarily parochial attitude for someone in Cllr William's position. I live just over the boundary in Christchurch, but views from well beyond, up to London etc, should be important for leisure, tourism and culture in a resort like Bournemouth. Gecho
  • Score: 17

3:25pm Mon 17 Mar 14

zephglad says...

Mrs Faris and her staff want the Noddy Train service in its present form to remain.
Mrs Faris and her staff want the Noddy Train service in its present form to remain. zephglad
  • Score: 13

3:57pm Mon 17 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Names and postcodes are collected by the petition. Should be easy to match up names and postcodes on the electoral roll if they are that bothered!
Names and postcodes are collected by the petition. Should be easy to match up names and postcodes on the electoral roll if they are that bothered! speedy231278
  • Score: 13

3:59pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Ms daisy says...

Councillor Willaims what an arrogrant man he seems. the decision is final without even being open to consultation and neogtiation. Myself and my family have signed the petition as we have loved using this train over the years and YES we are local and NO I dont want someone who is so out of touch with its community feelings to represent me thank you very much.
Councillor Willaims what an arrogrant man he seems. the decision is final without even being open to consultation and neogtiation. Myself and my family have signed the petition as we have loved using this train over the years and YES we are local and NO I dont want someone who is so out of touch with its community feelings to represent me thank you very much. Ms daisy
  • Score: 21

4:30pm Mon 17 Mar 14

arthur1948 says...

something else going clinical....

leave it alone....it works fine and is part of Hengistbury head,,,

tell the seat polisher to find something else to justify their possition...
something else going clinical.... leave it alone....it works fine and is part of Hengistbury head,,, tell the seat polisher to find something else to justify their possition... arthur1948
  • Score: 7

5:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

Heard an interesting conversation today regarding this story. Seems there is a small group who are more interested in taking direct action, what ever that is, to stop the Council getting it's way. I think there is no way of making Cllr Williams change his mind though. Unfortunately he is well known for his "I am right, everybody else is wrong" attitude, as more than one member of Council staff have found out. From what I've heard though Cllr Williams, you might find it very expensive to keep your land trains running, or even having to replace them. I suppose it's a bit like the speed cameras people didn't like.
Heard an interesting conversation today regarding this story. Seems there is a small group who are more interested in taking direct action, what ever that is, to stop the Council getting it's way. I think there is no way of making Cllr Williams change his mind though. Unfortunately he is well known for his "I am right, everybody else is wrong" attitude, as more than one member of Council staff have found out. From what I've heard though Cllr Williams, you might find it very expensive to keep your land trains running, or even having to replace them. I suppose it's a bit like the speed cameras people didn't like. ShuttleX
  • Score: 7

5:08pm Mon 17 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

Cllr Lawrence Williams. You are wrong, nothing is final until happens, and a petition is like an appeal. If the petition is made, then the council has to listen to the petition. It does not matter what the owner may or may not have said (the latter more than likely), it is the public who are concerned and want the existing train to stay. Where is the Bournemouth Beesley Boys stealing the money form this time to purchase and run the trains. Why cant you leave Bournemouth alone. You Beesley Boys will be out of office next year.
Cllr Lawrence Williams. You are wrong, nothing is final until happens, and a petition is like an appeal. If the petition is made, then the council has to listen to the petition. It does not matter what the owner may or may not have said (the latter more than likely), it is the public who are concerned and want the existing train to stay. Where is the Bournemouth Beesley Boys stealing the money form this time to purchase and run the trains. Why cant you leave Bournemouth alone. You Beesley Boys will be out of office next year. TheDistrict
  • Score: 6

5:23pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Archiebean says...

xslee wrote:
Clueless, arrogant, out-of-touch...clear

ly not a well man, and best for all concerned if he resigned immediately.

Suggest that anyone who has signed the petition also write to him directly to point out the error of his ways, maybe then he'll listen.

lawrence.williams@bo

urnemouth.gov.uk
I have already done this. My daughter is about to do the same, i would advise everyone who has signed the petition or commented on here to do this also.The comments he has made are unbelieveably arrogant and i still don't feel he appreciates the strength of feeling and support that the traditional Noddy train has. All councillors are there to represent us. Sometimes I feel they forget this! If Cllr. Williams needs names and address' I'm sure we can arrange this.
[quote][p][bold]xslee[/bold] wrote: Clueless, arrogant, out-of-touch...clear ly not a well man, and best for all concerned if he resigned immediately. Suggest that anyone who has signed the petition also write to him directly to point out the error of his ways, maybe then he'll listen. lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk[/p][/quote]I have already done this. My daughter is about to do the same, i would advise everyone who has signed the petition or commented on here to do this also.The comments he has made are unbelieveably arrogant and i still don't feel he appreciates the strength of feeling and support that the traditional Noddy train has. All councillors are there to represent us. Sometimes I feel they forget this! If Cllr. Williams needs names and address' I'm sure we can arrange this. Archiebean
  • Score: 9

5:38pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Archiebean says...

SimonJB wrote:
Email: lawrence.williams@bo

urnemouth.gov.uk
Come on guys & gals let him know how you feel by sending him a personal e-mail
The man's an arse!!
Already done!
[quote][p][bold]SimonJB[/bold] wrote: Email: lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk Come on guys & gals let him know how you feel by sending him a personal e-mail The man's an arse!![/p][/quote]Already done! Archiebean
  • Score: 7

5:38pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Down the road in Brighton they have a Green Council and they don't do what the townspeople want. Looks like they'll be voted out next time. Looks like whoever gets in doesn't represent the majority views of the local population. So who do you vote for? Is there a local party which will do what the voters want all the time(democracy?)
Down the road in Brighton they have a Green Council and they don't do what the townspeople want. Looks like they'll be voted out next time. Looks like whoever gets in doesn't represent the majority views of the local population. So who do you vote for? Is there a local party which will do what the voters want all the time(democracy?) Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 6

5:50pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Squars says...

well, I`ve emailed this petulant tyrant with my views- I wonder if he`ll have the cajones to respond....
Remember this man when it`s time to vote.
well, I`ve emailed this petulant tyrant with my views- I wonder if he`ll have the cajones to respond.... Remember this man when it`s time to vote. Squars
  • Score: 10

5:53pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Archiebean says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
I wonder how many blindly signed this petition thinking there would be no alternative service at all? Thats the first impression I got when I saw it going around on Facebook?
I think you under estimate those who have signed this petition. They have signed because they truly care about the traditional 'Noddy train' and all it stands for!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many blindly signed this petition thinking there would be no alternative service at all? Thats the first impression I got when I saw it going around on Facebook?[/p][/quote]I think you under estimate those who have signed this petition. They have signed because they truly care about the traditional 'Noddy train' and all it stands for! Archiebean
  • Score: 9

6:25pm Mon 17 Mar 14

bmb says...

So am I to assume from Councillor Williams words that all of these 5 million or so tourists we get every summer all come from Bournemouth? Or is more that as they don't live here but simply holiday here their opinions don't count with the portfolio holder for tourism! I am sure many of them will be delighted to hear that and take their hard earned money to a different seaside town in future, one that perhaps listens to the people who visit frequently as well as the residents... I'd stick to illegally putting out traffic cones if I were you Councillor Williams, ah yes that's right, the council weren't prepared to continue funding that little enterprise of yours were they? I wonder if coming all the way from Poole my opinions count, guess we'll see by whether I receive a reply to my email or not...
So am I to assume from Councillor Williams words that all of these 5 million or so tourists we get every summer all come from Bournemouth? Or is more that as they don't live here but simply holiday here their opinions don't count with the portfolio holder for tourism! I am sure many of them will be delighted to hear that and take their hard earned money to a different seaside town in future, one that perhaps listens to the people who visit frequently as well as the residents... I'd stick to illegally putting out traffic cones if I were you Councillor Williams, ah yes that's right, the council weren't prepared to continue funding that little enterprise of yours were they? I wonder if coming all the way from Poole my opinions count, guess we'll see by whether I receive a reply to my email or not... bmb
  • Score: 8

6:45pm Mon 17 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

According to the council FB page we are all confused. I suggest that might be a good place to leave some comments! There is a link to their website which is full of nonsense.
According to the council FB page we are all confused. I suggest that might be a good place to leave some comments! There is a link to their website which is full of nonsense. eyesropen
  • Score: 4

6:58pm Mon 17 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

eyesropen wrote:
According to the council FB page we are all confused. I suggest that might be a good place to leave some comments! There is a link to their website which is full of nonsense.
Then it would be sensible for a council spokesperson to come here and explain it to us and describe, to us, how the council's servce will be an improvement over the current service.
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: According to the council FB page we are all confused. I suggest that might be a good place to leave some comments! There is a link to their website which is full of nonsense.[/p][/quote]Then it would be sensible for a council spokesperson to come here and explain it to us and describe, to us, how the council's servce will be an improvement over the current service. JackJohnson
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Mon 17 Mar 14

TWERLY says...

With reference to Councillor Williams's comments of " COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final.
He added: “If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from."
I wish to reply as follows:
AS A RETURNING VISITOR TO BOURNEMOUTH FOR OVER 20 YEARS I FIND COUNCILLOR WILLIAMS'S COMMENTS DISGRACEFUL ! WITHOUT VISITORS LIKE ME COUNCILLOR WILLIAMS POSITION WOULD NOT EXIST - YES MR WILLIAMS I SIGNED THE PETITION AND I LIVE 180 MILES AWAY BECAUSE I SUPPORT LOCAL TRADERS AND BUSINESS'S AS YOU AND THE BOURNEMOUTH TOURISM SYSTEM HAVE ENOUGH ON YOUR BOOKS AND SOMETIMES THE PRIVATE OPERATOR GIVES A MUCH BETTER SERVICE TO THE TOURISM INDUSTRY IN YOUR AREA AND IF YOU HAVE NOR REALISED THAT THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE JOB YOU ARE IN.
I therefore call on Councillor Williams to resign forthwith on the grounds of being incompetent in the position he holds.
With reference to Councillor Williams's comments of " COUNCILLOR Lawrence Williams, portfolio holder for leisure, tourism and culture, said that Bournemouth council’s decision was final. He added: “If they want us to take the petition seriously, they should take the names and addresses of people who live in Bournemouth, as we do not know where these people are from." I wish to reply as follows: AS A RETURNING VISITOR TO BOURNEMOUTH FOR OVER 20 YEARS I FIND COUNCILLOR WILLIAMS'S COMMENTS DISGRACEFUL ! WITHOUT VISITORS LIKE ME COUNCILLOR WILLIAMS POSITION WOULD NOT EXIST - YES MR WILLIAMS I SIGNED THE PETITION AND I LIVE 180 MILES AWAY BECAUSE I SUPPORT LOCAL TRADERS AND BUSINESS'S AS YOU AND THE BOURNEMOUTH TOURISM SYSTEM HAVE ENOUGH ON YOUR BOOKS AND SOMETIMES THE PRIVATE OPERATOR GIVES A MUCH BETTER SERVICE TO THE TOURISM INDUSTRY IN YOUR AREA AND IF YOU HAVE NOR REALISED THAT THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE JOB YOU ARE IN. I therefore call on Councillor Williams to resign forthwith on the grounds of being incompetent in the position he holds. TWERLY
  • Score: 20

7:03pm Mon 17 Mar 14

nothingtofear says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
This decision is typical of the high handed attitude which is endemic within Bournemouth Council. The saying “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” should be the new motto of Bournemouth.
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We can sign petitions and voice our discontent with the current autocratic regime that pervades under dictator Beesley but until the problem of voter apathy is addressed nothing will change.
You are dead right. At the 2011 local elections for example turn out in the Central Ward was a derisory 25.35% and even the best local turn out of 46.48% that was recorded in East Southbourne & Tuckton is hardly something to write home about.

That said, I have signed the petition but until people get off their backsides and vote in real numbers nothing much will change.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: This decision is typical of the high handed attitude which is endemic within Bournemouth Council. The saying “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” should be the new motto of Bournemouth. . We can sign petitions and voice our discontent with the current autocratic regime that pervades under dictator Beesley but until the problem of voter apathy is addressed nothing will change.[/p][/quote]You are dead right. At the 2011 local elections for example turn out in the Central Ward was a derisory 25.35% and even the best local turn out of 46.48% that was recorded in East Southbourne & Tuckton is hardly something to write home about. That said, I have signed the petition but until people get off their backsides and vote in real numbers nothing much will change. nothingtofear
  • Score: 11

7:09pm Mon 17 Mar 14

BIGTONE says...

rusty james wrote:
Email sent, petition signed, now what about an old style demo with placards and the press? Love to see a procession, led by the Noddy Train, causing traffic chaos as it made it's way to the town hall.
The councillor will probably get the driver nicked as it's not taxed/insured for highway use.
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: Email sent, petition signed, now what about an old style demo with placards and the press? Love to see a procession, led by the Noddy Train, causing traffic chaos as it made it's way to the town hall.[/p][/quote]The councillor will probably get the driver nicked as it's not taxed/insured for highway use. BIGTONE
  • Score: 9

7:24pm Mon 17 Mar 14

whataboutthat says...

George Bowling says...
The land train offers an excellent service all year round at no cost to the council tax payer.

Precisely. Nuff said.
George Bowling says... The land train offers an excellent service all year round at no cost to the council tax payer. Precisely. Nuff said. whataboutthat
  • Score: 8

8:11pm Mon 17 Mar 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Just hope the council can come up with an equally attractive form of transport and staff to knock the discerning glob trotting traveller bandy
Just hope the council can come up with an equally attractive form of transport and staff to knock the discerning glob trotting traveller bandy kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 2

8:57pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Bob49 says...

Council Seafront Gravy Train

Summer service

Town Hall 10.03
Bus station 10.06
Nautilus 10.09 a
Imax 10.11
Wedding Hut 10.17 b
Surf reef 11.17 c
Shell House 11.47
Hungry Hiker 12.19 d

a) stop not currently in use
b) one stop per annum
c) access to dive trail
d) stops on 2nd Tues in month only

Tickets available online at Gravytrain.con.uk (£1.50 surcharge applies)
Council Seafront Gravy Train Summer service Town Hall 10.03 Bus station 10.06 Nautilus 10.09 a Imax 10.11 Wedding Hut 10.17 b Surf reef 11.17 c Shell House 11.47 Hungry Hiker 12.19 d a) stop not currently in use b) one stop per annum c) access to dive trail d) stops on 2nd Tues in month only Tickets available online at Gravytrain.con.uk (£1.50 surcharge applies) Bob49
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Mon 17 Mar 14

char77 says...

I am absolutely disgusted with his response ! Who cares where these people come from who have signed the petition! I for one know my father who lives in oz would have sighed this one for being on my page and two because he used to live here and has taken me and my sis on this train when we where small !! And many people from across the country may have also visted or lived here ! How dare he belittle people !!!!!!
I am absolutely disgusted with his response ! Who cares where these people come from who have signed the petition! I for one know my father who lives in oz would have sighed this one for being on my page and two because he used to live here and has taken me and my sis on this train when we where small !! And many people from across the country may have also visted or lived here ! How dare he belittle people !!!!!! char77
  • Score: 6

9:38pm Mon 17 Mar 14

esquisquirrel says...

Why should the petition be signed only by Bournemouth residents? The councillor may not know this, but Bournemouth relies a lot on tourism, which involves people who are not from Bournemouth coming to the town and spending money. There are people from all over the country who will use it, and want to keep it.

And if the council's attitude to democracy is "What we say goes, we don't care what you say", I really do hope that at election time, what WE say goes
Why should the petition be signed only by Bournemouth residents? The councillor may not know this, but Bournemouth relies a lot on tourism, which involves people who are not from Bournemouth coming to the town and spending money. There are people from all over the country who will use it, and want to keep it. And if the council's attitude to democracy is "What we say goes, we don't care what you say", I really do hope that at election time, what WE say goes esquisquirrel
  • Score: 5

9:58pm Mon 17 Mar 14

smeeee says...

why dont they get rid of the train all together-open up the train route as a public road, burn one row of beach huts to make an approach to a flyover from the black house to christchurch, this way it would be made accessible to all, ease congestion , and cut out miles of driving...there...so
rted. i dont get paid enough to come up with these fab ideas, i spoil you lot.........
why dont they get rid of the train all together-open up the train route as a public road, burn one row of beach huts to make an approach to a flyover from the black house to christchurch, this way it would be made accessible to all, ease congestion , and cut out miles of driving...there...so rted. i dont get paid enough to come up with these fab ideas, i spoil you lot......... smeeee
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Joy Dean says...

https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/s
ave-the-current-heng
istbury-head-land-tr
ain-service
The "noddy train" is very important, for people and for tourism.
https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service The "noddy train" is very important, for people and for tourism. Joy Dean
  • Score: 3

11:42pm Mon 17 Mar 14

s-pb2 says...

I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic! s-pb2
  • Score: -25

12:34am Tue 18 Mar 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be.
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What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway?
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The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time!
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This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with.
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We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time!
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WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be. . What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway? . The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time! . This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with. . We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time! . WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT? HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 7

12:50am Tue 18 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

Erm no s-pb2. You are rather missing the point. The council made the train an issue. They are planning to spend a large amount of money on something nobody wants or needs. Money they could be spending to help people!
Erm no s-pb2. You are rather missing the point. The council made the train an issue. They are planning to spend a large amount of money on something nobody wants or needs. Money they could be spending to help people! eyesropen
  • Score: 9

6:33am Tue 18 Mar 14

freedom for pokesdown says...

SimonJB wrote:
Email: lawrence.williams@bo

urnemouth.gov.uk
Come on guys & gals let him know how you feel by sending him a personal e-mail
The man's an arse!!
done
[quote][p][bold]SimonJB[/bold] wrote: Email: lawrence.williams@bo urnemouth.gov.uk Come on guys & gals let him know how you feel by sending him a personal e-mail The man's an arse!![/p][/quote]done freedom for pokesdown
  • Score: 4

6:36am Tue 18 Mar 14

freedom for pokesdown says...

Anyone up for a good old-fashioned demo? A nice stroll on a sunny afternoon at a place we love to go?
Anyone up for a good old-fashioned demo? A nice stroll on a sunny afternoon at a place we love to go? freedom for pokesdown
  • Score: 7

6:55am Tue 18 Mar 14

Alumchiner says...

Will council staff be able to use it for fee as with other perks ?
Will council staff be able to use it for fee as with other perks ? Alumchiner
  • Score: 3

7:01am Tue 18 Mar 14

Alumchiner says...

In these day of liaison with the residents, cut backs to budgets and the ability for councils to support local businesses it makes sense for the council to assist the existing company in how they see it moving forward service wise. It would be cheaper for the council to sponser a disabled carriage, help the existing service join up with the promenade, keep those already working there in employment and come out of it as a council that listens to the residents and is seen to be helping its local workers. To ride roughshod over a existing good service is baffling - why on earth do that and risk the rap of the people ? Madness
In these day of liaison with the residents, cut backs to budgets and the ability for councils to support local businesses it makes sense for the council to assist the existing company in how they see it moving forward service wise. It would be cheaper for the council to sponser a disabled carriage, help the existing service join up with the promenade, keep those already working there in employment and come out of it as a council that listens to the residents and is seen to be helping its local workers. To ride roughshod over a existing good service is baffling - why on earth do that and risk the rap of the people ? Madness Alumchiner
  • Score: 4

7:49am Tue 18 Mar 14

TheDistrict says...

Dear Cllr Williams,
Having read the story in the Bournemouth Echo regarding the Hengistbury Head Train, and in particular your comments, it strikes me that you are one hell of an arrogant man who really has no cares for Bournemouth, and refuses to listen to your electorate, and other town people.

Firstly, where is Bournemouth (Beesley) Council getting the money from to run this new service. It cannot run itself, therefore, funding must come from somewhere. No doubt from the pockets of the electorate.

The present service has been in place for many years, probably before you became a councillor, and has done the job with very much passion, experience, and pleasure for all those who use it. Your untruths on what the family actually said regarding this matter, and what you said are two different things.

With in excess of 14,000 signatures, Bournemouth Council has no option but to reconsider their replacement options, and back down, and leave in service what is already serving the people of Bournemouth, and the many more who visit Bournemouth.

Finally, Bournemouth is a tourist attraction, and has been for years and years, yet Bournemouth Council and the Beesley Boys seem hell bent on ridding the town of its attractions, and turning into a mundane town, similar to the interior of the Town Hall.

Leave Bournemouth alone, and serve the people properly, and in support of those who put you where you are. Listen to your employers.

Regards,
Dear Cllr Williams, Having read the story in the Bournemouth Echo regarding the Hengistbury Head Train, and in particular your comments, it strikes me that you are one hell of an arrogant man who really has no cares for Bournemouth, and refuses to listen to your electorate, and other town people. Firstly, where is Bournemouth (Beesley) Council getting the money from to run this new service. It cannot run itself, therefore, funding must come from somewhere. No doubt from the pockets of the electorate. The present service has been in place for many years, probably before you became a councillor, and has done the job with very much passion, experience, and pleasure for all those who use it. Your untruths on what the family actually said regarding this matter, and what you said are two different things. With in excess of 14,000 signatures, Bournemouth Council has no option but to reconsider their replacement options, and back down, and leave in service what is already serving the people of Bournemouth, and the many more who visit Bournemouth. Finally, Bournemouth is a tourist attraction, and has been for years and years, yet Bournemouth Council and the Beesley Boys seem hell bent on ridding the town of its attractions, and turning into a mundane town, similar to the interior of the Town Hall. Leave Bournemouth alone, and serve the people properly, and in support of those who put you where you are. Listen to your employers. Regards, TheDistrict
  • Score: 9

7:49am Tue 18 Mar 14

glendower2909 says...

Coincidence that hengistbury head voted third best beach in uk. Leave it as it is. Any interference by council will turn it into Blackpool and it will never be seen again in the league table.
Coincidence that hengistbury head voted third best beach in uk. Leave it as it is. Any interference by council will turn it into Blackpool and it will never be seen again in the league table. glendower2909
  • Score: 4

8:16am Tue 18 Mar 14

rusty james says...

s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
Agreed, many are suffering under our present leaders, and it IS a disgrace, but if it takes a little green train to act as a catalyst for making folk rethink their voting habits surely that's a good thing?
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]Agreed, many are suffering under our present leaders, and it IS a disgrace, but if it takes a little green train to act as a catalyst for making folk rethink their voting habits surely that's a good thing? rusty james
  • Score: 9

8:19am Tue 18 Mar 14

Lucky Rich says...

I wonder who done the sums on this idea, not only will the train cost money to run ,they will probably loose 100s of £8 a day car parkers from people coming in from any where along the long new route.
I wonder who done the sums on this idea, not only will the train cost money to run ,they will probably loose 100s of £8 a day car parkers from people coming in from any where along the long new route. Lucky Rich
  • Score: 5

8:52am Tue 18 Mar 14

paul newton says...

High time the Local Authority (and Ultimately Government) 'fixed hole in their own bucket' got their own finances and affairs in order and up to scratch before looking for something else to dabble and meddle with !! The are overburdened already it would seem. Whenever Local Authority half hearted dabble it would seem problems will start to occur, how long before they have Staff disputes, Health and Safety Issues etc etc. I would very much doubt if they could sustain the service for anything like 45 years. Hats Off to Mrs Faris and Co. Councillor Williams so out of touch suggesting people not local people, maybe he should take his 'rose tinted spectacles' off and realise it is his sort of arrogance that meant that they couldn't even secure an outright majority at the last election and had to join others to effectively 'steal power'. Anyone else in the real world would had realised they weren't wanted and effectively stood down. Agree with earlier posts... Vote with you feet, and let these clearly out of touch people know. Oh and Coun Williams I am local (at Christchurch)
High time the Local Authority (and Ultimately Government) 'fixed hole in their own bucket' got their own finances and affairs in order and up to scratch before looking for something else to dabble and meddle with !! The are overburdened already it would seem. Whenever Local Authority half hearted dabble it would seem problems will start to occur, how long before they have Staff disputes, Health and Safety Issues etc etc. I would very much doubt if they could sustain the service for anything like 45 years. Hats Off to Mrs Faris and Co. Councillor Williams so out of touch suggesting people not local people, maybe he should take his 'rose tinted spectacles' off and realise it is his sort of arrogance that meant that they couldn't even secure an outright majority at the last election and had to join others to effectively 'steal power'. Anyone else in the real world would had realised they weren't wanted and effectively stood down. Agree with earlier posts... Vote with you feet, and let these clearly out of touch people know. Oh and Coun Williams I am local (at Christchurch) paul newton
  • Score: 5

9:18am Tue 18 Mar 14

B'mth 56 says...

I emailed Councillor Williams last night to vent my anger at his arrogance and the councils decision to end the train contract as well as the redevelopment of Horseshoe Common and the amount of town centre car parks being lost to construction amongst other things. I also informed him that just as his decision was final so was mine, never to vote Conservative again. I also stated that his decision might not just only lose him his seat on the council but other Conservatives as well. Let's hope so. Councillors who don't listen to the people who voted them onto the council in the first place should lose their seat next time round.
I emailed Councillor Williams last night to vent my anger at his arrogance and the councils decision to end the train contract as well as the redevelopment of Horseshoe Common and the amount of town centre car parks being lost to construction amongst other things. I also informed him that just as his decision was final so was mine, never to vote Conservative again. I also stated that his decision might not just only lose him his seat on the council but other Conservatives as well. Let's hope so. Councillors who don't listen to the people who voted them onto the council in the first place should lose their seat next time round. B'mth 56
  • Score: 7

9:23am Tue 18 Mar 14

Phixer says...

s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
You have completely missed the point. I presume from your comment that you agree to Beasley Borough Council spending £3million of your/my/our tax money on sandbags to put in the sea and all the other waste of your/my/our tax money on projects to make BBC look like big boys.

This is about BBC interfering in a successful commercial operation and turning it into a loss-making, taxpayer funded project. If there was a demand for seamless travel along the coast then the open top bus service would still be running. Equally, BBC are not guaranteeing the same level of service, for the same ticket price, and without a need for your/my/our tax subsidy.
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]You have completely missed the point. I presume from your comment that you agree to Beasley Borough Council spending £3million of your/my/our tax money on sandbags to put in the sea and all the other waste of your/my/our tax money on projects to make BBC look like big boys. This is about BBC interfering in a successful commercial operation and turning it into a loss-making, taxpayer funded project. If there was a demand for seamless travel along the coast then the open top bus service would still be running. Equally, BBC are not guaranteeing the same level of service, for the same ticket price, and without a need for your/my/our tax subsidy. Phixer
  • Score: 8

9:39am Tue 18 Mar 14

Archiebean says...

s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
The backlash to this situation is because it effects so many individuals personally, that is human nature. However it is very wrong of you to assume that if as individuals we support this cause, we don't also support the most vulnerable people in our community. Unfortunately what this situation does highlight is that politically, attitudes such as Cllr. Williams, where they arrogantly believe that because they are in power that they are in a position to stop listening to those that they represent. So far from being pathetic and embarrasing, whatever the cause, getting those in power to actually listen to public opinion does make a difference and could even positively impact on those whom you very rightly feel so passionately about.
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]The backlash to this situation is because it effects so many individuals personally, that is human nature. However it is very wrong of you to assume that if as individuals we support this cause, we don't also support the most vulnerable people in our community. Unfortunately what this situation does highlight is that politically, attitudes such as Cllr. Williams, where they arrogantly believe that because they are in power that they are in a position to stop listening to those that they represent. So far from being pathetic and embarrasing, whatever the cause, getting those in power to actually listen to public opinion does make a difference and could even positively impact on those whom you very rightly feel so passionately about. Archiebean
  • Score: 11

9:43am Tue 18 Mar 14

Lord Spring says...

Come on, there must be someone who thinks the council should run it. Not I.

There always is someone with differing views amongst these posts where are they.
Come on, there must be someone who thinks the council should run it. Not I. There always is someone with differing views amongst these posts where are they. Lord Spring
  • Score: -1

11:07am Tue 18 Mar 14

esquisquirrel says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Come on, there must be someone who thinks the council should run it. Not I.

There always is someone with differing views amongst these posts where are they.
The council contract for "Person to post pro-council comments on the Daily Echo site" is still out to tender.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Come on, there must be someone who thinks the council should run it. Not I. There always is someone with differing views amongst these posts where are they.[/p][/quote]The council contract for "Person to post pro-council comments on the Daily Echo site" is still out to tender. esquisquirrel
  • Score: 2

11:17am Tue 18 Mar 14

JackJohnson says...

Lord Spring wrote:
Come on, there must be someone who thinks the council should run it. Not I.

There always is someone with differing views amongst these posts where are they.
Usually a troll.

Seriously I can find no significant advantages to Bournemouth rate-payers in BBC taking over the Hengistbury Head land train. Only that those that don't even use it will be required to subsidize it. We all know (because we've been told by our glorious government, so it must be true) that people feel so much more successful when they jump into the 40% tax bracket. Taking more out of their pockets to help run the land train can only be a good thing for them - right?
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: Come on, there must be someone who thinks the council should run it. Not I. There always is someone with differing views amongst these posts where are they.[/p][/quote]Usually a troll. Seriously I can find no significant advantages to Bournemouth rate-payers in BBC taking over the Hengistbury Head land train. Only that those that don't even use it will be required to subsidize it. We all know (because we've been told by our glorious government, so it must be true) that people feel so much more successful when they jump into the 40% tax bracket. Taking more out of their pockets to help run the land train can only be a good thing for them - right? JackJohnson
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Tue 18 Mar 14

brothersinarms says...

flourishing wrote:
Is there an online petition we can sign or just at Hengistbury?
https://you.38degree
s.org.uk/petitions/s
ave-the-current-heng
istbury-head-land-tr
ain-service?bucket&s
ource=facebook-share
-button&time=1394830
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[quote][p][bold]flourishing[/bold] wrote: Is there an online petition we can sign or just at Hengistbury?[/p][/quote]https://you.38degree s.org.uk/petitions/s ave-the-current-heng istbury-head-land-tr ain-service?bucket&s ource=facebook-share -button&time=1394830 172 brothersinarms
  • Score: 1

6:08pm Tue 18 Mar 14

s-pb2 says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be.
.
What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway?
.
The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time!
.
This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with.
.
We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time!
.
WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?
Oh get over yourself! Its just a noddy train, thats all, being replaced by another noddy train in order to make money. Makes perfect sense to me.

People should stop being ridiculously oversentimental and fight for things that do matter in this town like the woeful neglect and erosion of this town's social care system. What will it take for people to take notice in this town, a childs death?

Everyone where I work has said the same thing about how pathetic this all is and the people of Bournemouth have a complete perverse opinion of what matters in this town.

And if you think you will change the minds of the council. No chance! They will dig their heels in now. As for Cllr Williams, he is well known for being obtuse and stubborn, so true to form there. And theres as much chance of him losing his seat at the next election as Chope losing his at the next general election.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be. . What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway? . The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time! . This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with. . We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time! . WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?[/p][/quote]Oh get over yourself! Its just a noddy train, thats all, being replaced by another noddy train in order to make money. Makes perfect sense to me. People should stop being ridiculously oversentimental and fight for things that do matter in this town like the woeful neglect and erosion of this town's social care system. What will it take for people to take notice in this town, a childs death? Everyone where I work has said the same thing about how pathetic this all is and the people of Bournemouth have a complete perverse opinion of what matters in this town. And if you think you will change the minds of the council. No chance! They will dig their heels in now. As for Cllr Williams, he is well known for being obtuse and stubborn, so true to form there. And theres as much chance of him losing his seat at the next election as Chope losing his at the next general election. s-pb2
  • Score: -9

6:10pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Paul009 says...

Why does Bournemouth Council have to act the big bully and force Noddy out? Surely if there is the demand from Alum Chine, why can't BC run those through trains to the Spit and let Noddy continue just doing its year round run from the car park?
Why does Bournemouth Council have to act the big bully and force Noddy out? Surely if there is the demand from Alum Chine, why can't BC run those through trains to the Spit and let Noddy continue just doing its year round run from the car park? Paul009
  • Score: 2

6:22pm Tue 18 Mar 14

TWERLY says...

Paul009 wrote:
Why does Bournemouth Council have to act the big bully and force Noddy out? Surely if there is the demand from Alum Chine, why can't BC run those through trains to the Spit and let Noddy continue just doing its year round run from the car park?
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the land trains run from Southbourne to the Hungry Hiker at Hengistbury Head many years ago and was scrapped because of lack of use just like the open top bus service??

Can anyone confirm if I am right or wrong please.
[quote][p][bold]Paul009[/bold] wrote: Why does Bournemouth Council have to act the big bully and force Noddy out? Surely if there is the demand from Alum Chine, why can't BC run those through trains to the Spit and let Noddy continue just doing its year round run from the car park?[/p][/quote]Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the land trains run from Southbourne to the Hungry Hiker at Hengistbury Head many years ago and was scrapped because of lack of use just like the open top bus service?? Can anyone confirm if I am right or wrong please. TWERLY
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Tue 18 Mar 14

Archiebean says...

TWERLY wrote:
Paul009 wrote:
Why does Bournemouth Council have to act the big bully and force Noddy out? Surely if there is the demand from Alum Chine, why can't BC run those through trains to the Spit and let Noddy continue just doing its year round run from the car park?
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the land trains run from Southbourne to the Hungry Hiker at Hengistbury Head many years ago and was scrapped because of lack of use just like the open top bus service??

Can anyone confirm if I am right or wrong please.
I'm not sure but i guess what matters is the service that is provided at the moment is very well used and much loved.
[quote][p][bold]TWERLY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul009[/bold] wrote: Why does Bournemouth Council have to act the big bully and force Noddy out? Surely if there is the demand from Alum Chine, why can't BC run those through trains to the Spit and let Noddy continue just doing its year round run from the car park?[/p][/quote]Correct me if I am wrong but didn't the land trains run from Southbourne to the Hungry Hiker at Hengistbury Head many years ago and was scrapped because of lack of use just like the open top bus service?? Can anyone confirm if I am right or wrong please.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure but i guess what matters is the service that is provided at the moment is very well used and much loved. Archiebean
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Tue 18 Mar 14

live-and-let-live says...

BOYCOTT THE COUNCIL TRAIN. yes thats shouting.
BOYCOTT THE COUNCIL TRAIN. yes thats shouting. live-and-let-live
  • Score: 3

8:18pm Tue 18 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

s-pb2 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be.
.
What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway?
.
The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time!
.
This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with.
.
We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time!
.
WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?
Oh get over yourself! Its just a noddy train, thats all, being replaced by another noddy train in order to make money. Makes perfect sense to me.

People should stop being ridiculously oversentimental and fight for things that do matter in this town like the woeful neglect and erosion of this town's social care system. What will it take for people to take notice in this town, a childs death?

Everyone where I work has said the same thing about how pathetic this all is and the people of Bournemouth have a complete perverse opinion of what matters in this town.

And if you think you will change the minds of the council. No chance! They will dig their heels in now. As for Cllr Williams, he is well known for being obtuse and stubborn, so true to form there. And theres as much chance of him losing his seat at the next election as Chope losing his at the next general election.
So why aren't you and all the people you work with campaigning to get social care improved? If you put your energy into that instead of criticising people who are campaigning for something that's important to them maybe things can be improved. People would get behind such a campaign, it just needs someone who understands the issues to start one. Besides which this is about much more than the just the train, important as it is to people who love Hengistbury Head. That much is obvious to anyone.
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be. . What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway? . The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time! . This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with. . We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time! . WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?[/p][/quote]Oh get over yourself! Its just a noddy train, thats all, being replaced by another noddy train in order to make money. Makes perfect sense to me. People should stop being ridiculously oversentimental and fight for things that do matter in this town like the woeful neglect and erosion of this town's social care system. What will it take for people to take notice in this town, a childs death? Everyone where I work has said the same thing about how pathetic this all is and the people of Bournemouth have a complete perverse opinion of what matters in this town. And if you think you will change the minds of the council. No chance! They will dig their heels in now. As for Cllr Williams, he is well known for being obtuse and stubborn, so true to form there. And theres as much chance of him losing his seat at the next election as Chope losing his at the next general election.[/p][/quote]So why aren't you and all the people you work with campaigning to get social care improved? If you put your energy into that instead of criticising people who are campaigning for something that's important to them maybe things can be improved. People would get behind such a campaign, it just needs someone who understands the issues to start one. Besides which this is about much more than the just the train, important as it is to people who love Hengistbury Head. That much is obvious to anyone. eyesropen
  • Score: 6

8:40pm Tue 18 Mar 14

zephglad says...

It is a human interest story involving a long-established family business, a little innocent business, not one out to make money (it only just about pays for itself) run by an old woman of 88 who runs it for the people in loving memory of her husband who set it all up in 1969. This is so rare and we should cherish such spirited people and their dreams. Joyce Faris should receive accolades from far and wide! Whatever happens, nobody will ever forget the Noddy Train and the 'little old lady' who ran it.
It is a human interest story involving a long-established family business, a little innocent business, not one out to make money (it only just about pays for itself) run by an old woman of 88 who runs it for the people in loving memory of her husband who set it all up in 1969. This is so rare and we should cherish such spirited people and their dreams. Joyce Faris should receive accolades from far and wide! Whatever happens, nobody will ever forget the Noddy Train and the 'little old lady' who ran it. zephglad
  • Score: 2

1:14am Wed 19 Mar 14

Archiebean says...

eyesropen wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing.

It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic!
It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be.
.
What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway?
.
The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time!
.
This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with.
.
We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time!
.
WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?
Oh get over yourself! Its just a noddy train, thats all, being replaced by another noddy train in order to make money. Makes perfect sense to me.

People should stop being ridiculously oversentimental and fight for things that do matter in this town like the woeful neglect and erosion of this town's social care system. What will it take for people to take notice in this town, a childs death?

Everyone where I work has said the same thing about how pathetic this all is and the people of Bournemouth have a complete perverse opinion of what matters in this town.

And if you think you will change the minds of the council. No chance! They will dig their heels in now. As for Cllr Williams, he is well known for being obtuse and stubborn, so true to form there. And theres as much chance of him losing his seat at the next election as Chope losing his at the next general election.
So why aren't you and all the people you work with campaigning to get social care improved? If you put your energy into that instead of criticising people who are campaigning for something that's important to them maybe things can be improved. People would get behind such a campaign, it just needs someone who understands the issues to start one. Besides which this is about much more than the just the train, important as it is to people who love Hengistbury Head. That much is obvious to anyone.
Left wing, right wing, arrogance and intolerance of others opinions is always unacceptable.
[quote][p][bold]eyesropen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: I cant believe people are getting completely worked up about a s**ding noddy train. Seriously, take a step back and just listen to yourselves. Utterly pathetic and honestly embarrasing. It appears the noddy train has now become the most important priority the council should be dealing with according to the locals with their torches and pitchforks. Nearly 200 comments about it. Yet any article relating to the huge lack of funds for social care in helping the ever growing numbers of elderly, people with learning disabilities, physical disabilities and children who have been subjected to neglect and abuse, barely ever gets a comment. People young and old in this town are currently suffering as senior management are not supporting frontline staff, yet the people here are more interested in mass mailing their councillors about something ridiculously irrelevant like a noddy train. Pathetic![/p][/quote]It's one of the few parts of the DECENT town Bournemouth used to be. . What has charities, disabilities and the elderly have to do with this story anyway? . The Council are disgusting in everyway all of the time! . This is just another aspect/example of how they ruin small businesses for a flash in the pan project they won't follow through properly with. . We do need to stand up to this bunch of bullies and maybe now is the time! . WHY SHOULD WE LET BOURNEMOUTH COUNCIL RUIN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT?[/p][/quote]Oh get over yourself! Its just a noddy train, thats all, being replaced by another noddy train in order to make money. Makes perfect sense to me. People should stop being ridiculously oversentimental and fight for things that do matter in this town like the woeful neglect and erosion of this town's social care system. What will it take for people to take notice in this town, a childs death? Everyone where I work has said the same thing about how pathetic this all is and the people of Bournemouth have a complete perverse opinion of what matters in this town. And if you think you will change the minds of the council. No chance! They will dig their heels in now. As for Cllr Williams, he is well known for being obtuse and stubborn, so true to form there. And theres as much chance of him losing his seat at the next election as Chope losing his at the next general election.[/p][/quote]So why aren't you and all the people you work with campaigning to get social care improved? If you put your energy into that instead of criticising people who are campaigning for something that's important to them maybe things can be improved. People would get behind such a campaign, it just needs someone who understands the issues to start one. Besides which this is about much more than the just the train, important as it is to people who love Hengistbury Head. That much is obvious to anyone.[/p][/quote]Left wing, right wing, arrogance and intolerance of others opinions is always unacceptable. Archiebean
  • Score: 2

2:10pm Wed 19 Mar 14

eyesropen says...

rusty james wrote:
Email sent, petition signed, now what about an old style demo with placards and the press? Love to see a procession, led by the Noddy Train, causing traffic chaos as it made it's way to the town hall.
It would be such a pity if the seafront train was held up over Easter by large slow walking groups of people with placards, wouldn't it? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]rusty james[/bold] wrote: Email sent, petition signed, now what about an old style demo with placards and the press? Love to see a procession, led by the Noddy Train, causing traffic chaos as it made it's way to the town hall.[/p][/quote]It would be such a pity if the seafront train was held up over Easter by large slow walking groups of people with placards, wouldn't it? ;-) eyesropen
  • Score: 4

3:07pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Deltiologist says...

Yes, eyesropen, that would be a pity! On similar lines these land trains only run by the 'agreement' and goodwill of pedestrians to let them pass unhindered. At Hengistbury, the road way can become very congested with pedestrians, dawdling and slowing down the council's train when/if it runs. These walkers (and cyclists) could disrupt schedules completely, frustrating the paying passengers, causing them to complain to the council, demanding a refund on their fares.
And we should remember these words from Gandhi
"“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.”
We currently seem to be in the phase of BBC ignoring the voice of the many. When will the ridiculing phase start, I wonder?
Yes, eyesropen, that would be a pity! On similar lines these land trains only run by the 'agreement' and goodwill of pedestrians to let them pass unhindered. At Hengistbury, the road way can become very congested with pedestrians, dawdling and slowing down the council's train when/if it runs. These walkers (and cyclists) could disrupt schedules completely, frustrating the paying passengers, causing them to complain to the council, demanding a refund on their fares. And we should remember these words from Gandhi "“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.” We currently seem to be in the phase of BBC ignoring the voice of the many. When will the ridiculing phase start, I wonder? Deltiologist
  • Score: 1

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