Company who offered Poole council £250k to buy Marshes End ‘traveller site’ ups bid by £100k

PROPOSAL: Artist’s impression of Forelle’s plan

PROPOSAL: Artist’s impression of Forelle’s plan

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THE company whose £250,000 bid to buy the controversial Marshes End site was turned down by Borough of Poole last month has made an increased offer, the Daily Echo can reveal.

Forelle Estates, that wants to build an office building on the land – which will prevent it from being used as a summer transit site for travellers – has now offered £350,000.

The company says its landmark office building would create up to 200 jobs and that its increased offer is well above the land’s value.

Earlier this year Borough of Poole endured the wrath of Creekmoor residents after nodding through proposals to create two temporary stopping sites for gypsies and travellers.

It was the larger of these two transit sites, the 12-plot Marshes End pitch, that caused the most consternation locally.

Now, in a letter to the borough’s strategic director Andrew Flockhart, Forelle’s managing director Michael Price says: “Once again, I can confirm that Forelle Estates Ltd has immediate cash resources available to make this purchase and intends to pursue the future of the site for development with employment generating commercial property that could create up to 200 jobs in the location.

“As I highlighted in my letter of 20th February, the site at Safety Drive is a prominent gateway site and could be developed with property the borough could be proud of as a place of business, rather that the proposed temporary stopping place (TSP) which will have such a negative impact.”

This latest offer will be left open until March 31 to allow borough officials to give it their full consideration, said Mr Price.

The council has confirmed this latest offer has been put on the table.

However, following Forelle’s lower £250,000 offer, last month, Borough of Poole chief executive John McBride stressed: “The council has no plans to sell the site and does not consider that it would be in the best interests of local taxpayers to accept an offer for an important council asset without full and proper assessment of its market value.”

Proposals for the Marshes End TSP, and the smaller Broadstone Way TSP are set to go before Borough of Poole’s planning committee on March 20.

The Echo will be publicising the exact time and place of this meeting once these details have been officially confirmed.

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7:41am Thu 13 Mar 14

Isosceles says...

The article says
The council has no plans to sell the site and does not consider that it would be in the best interests of local taxpayers to accept an offer for an important council asset without full and proper assessment of its market value.

Surely the 'market value' of a site is what anyone is prepared to pay for it. Have the council had other offers? Have they offered it on the open market?
The article says The council has no plans to sell the site and does not consider that it would be in the best interests of local taxpayers to accept an offer for an important council asset without full and proper assessment of its market value. Surely the 'market value' of a site is what anyone is prepared to pay for it. Have the council had other offers? Have they offered it on the open market? Isosceles
  • Score: 25

7:52am Thu 13 Mar 14

perthsteve says...

Get the site ready, there on the way. last night there was a small group of travellers parked on ferndown ind est, police were with them. i think they were giving them a map of poole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Get the site ready, there on the way. last night there was a small group of travellers parked on ferndown ind est, police were with them. i think they were giving them a map of poole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! perthsteve
  • Score: 17

8:01am Thu 13 Mar 14

Carol62 says...

The planning application meeting is to be held on 20th March in the Concert Hall at THE LIGHTHOUSE, Poole arts centre, 9.15am.
The planning application meeting is to be held on 20th March in the Concert Hall at THE LIGHTHOUSE, Poole arts centre, 9.15am. Carol62
  • Score: 15

8:03am Thu 13 Mar 14

richardcompton3 says...

Ah, but have they increased the amount in the brown envelopes?
Ah, but have they increased the amount in the brown envelopes? richardcompton3
  • Score: 17

8:18am Thu 13 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

It shouldn't be going before the planning committee - it should be going before the whole council because a petition of between 100 and 175 signatures was registered with the council - that's the rule. The planning application only showed 68 signatures on the council web site last time I looked because they'd only photocopied one side of the pages - there were more signatures on the other sides.
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Echo - the exact details have been confirmed. It's on Thursday 20th March at 9.15 am at the Lighthouse. As someone who registered a comment, I've had official notification of it.
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Deliberately timed so that those on the school run or working can't get there and pensioners won't be able to use their bus passes. That means that many who have an interest won't be able to attend. The underhandedness regarding this project and attempts to try and stop anyone having any influence on the decision regarding this project continues.
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It's obvious that the offer from Forelle Estates is a far better use of the land on a gateway site - that is it's obvious to anyone who doesn't think they'll lose face if the TSP doesn't go ahead. They could be losing a lot more if it does - reputation if it isn't used, sleep and sanity (if they have a conscience) if there's loss of life due to an accident on the dual carriageway or because fire engines are delayed, and, for councillors, loss of their seat and income.
It shouldn't be going before the planning committee - it should be going before the whole council because a petition of between 100 and 175 signatures was registered with the council - that's the rule. The planning application only showed 68 signatures on the council web site last time I looked because they'd only photocopied one side of the pages - there were more signatures on the other sides. ...... Echo - the exact details have been confirmed. It's on Thursday 20th March at 9.15 am at the Lighthouse. As someone who registered a comment, I've had official notification of it. ....... Deliberately timed so that those on the school run or working can't get there and pensioners won't be able to use their bus passes. That means that many who have an interest won't be able to attend. The underhandedness regarding this project and attempts to try and stop anyone having any influence on the decision regarding this project continues. ...... It's obvious that the offer from Forelle Estates is a far better use of the land on a gateway site - that is it's obvious to anyone who doesn't think they'll lose face if the TSP doesn't go ahead. They could be losing a lot more if it does - reputation if it isn't used, sleep and sanity (if they have a conscience) if there's loss of life due to an accident on the dual carriageway or because fire engines are delayed, and, for councillors, loss of their seat and income. Carolyn43
  • Score: 38

9:00am Thu 13 Mar 14

60plus says...

Why can't they put the travellers on the land next to the twin sails bridge? and sell the other land and create jobs.
Why can't they put the travellers on the land next to the twin sails bridge? and sell the other land and create jobs. 60plus
  • Score: 20

9:03am Thu 13 Mar 14

High Treason says...

I can understand why people get frustrated and angry with councils as we all know most councils are completely out of touch with the residents views. Councillors are endowed with selective hearing and vision, some from birth and others who have been infected with the BED disease, brown envelope disease. Those inflicted while away their time thinking up schemes that make them look grandiose. They are speculators using our money and the residents views are irrelevant. Most of the public sector is the same and until we have massive civil unrest nothing will change.
I can understand why people get frustrated and angry with councils as we all know most councils are completely out of touch with the residents views. Councillors are endowed with selective hearing and vision, some from birth and others who have been infected with the BED disease, brown envelope disease. Those inflicted while away their time thinking up schemes that make them look grandiose. They are speculators using our money and the residents views are irrelevant. Most of the public sector is the same and until we have massive civil unrest nothing will change. High Treason
  • Score: 12

9:06am Thu 13 Mar 14

justme20092009 says...

sell it
sell it justme20092009
  • Score: 20

9:07am Thu 13 Mar 14

apm1954 says...

come on poole council you have a duty to the residents , SELL IT NOW why should we all not profit from this proposal not just a few tax dodging travellers who have cost this town thousands in the past cleaning up behind them , remember we elect the council we can also remove them , stand up for your residents .
come on poole council you have a duty to the residents , SELL IT NOW why should we all not profit from this proposal not just a few tax dodging travellers who have cost this town thousands in the past cleaning up behind them , remember we elect the council we can also remove them , stand up for your residents . apm1954
  • Score: 30

9:14am Thu 13 Mar 14

dorsetspeed says...

The only thing that would be in "the best interests of local taxpayers" would be to round up the dinosaurs that run Poole Council and stick them in a caravan somewhere far away where they do less damage
The only thing that would be in "the best interests of local taxpayers" would be to round up the dinosaurs that run Poole Council and stick them in a caravan somewhere far away where they do less damage dorsetspeed
  • Score: 24

9:25am Thu 13 Mar 14

moleman says...

Poole has a shortage of job vacancies so anything that will stimulate the local business economy should be applauded and grabbed with both hands.
How can the council turn this down in favour of a caravan site for travellers who don't pay towards local taxes or vote.
Remember we all have votes and we aren't going to forget this!
Poole has a shortage of job vacancies so anything that will stimulate the local business economy should be applauded and grabbed with both hands. How can the council turn this down in favour of a caravan site for travellers who don't pay towards local taxes or vote. Remember we all have votes and we aren't going to forget this! moleman
  • Score: 21

9:35am Thu 13 Mar 14

sea poole says...

And the comment from cllrs is...? (After all, they lead and officers advise...or has Poole turned the tables on this?)
And the comment from cllrs is...? (After all, they lead and officers advise...or has Poole turned the tables on this?) sea poole
  • Score: 10

9:55am Thu 13 Mar 14

disquiet says...

I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it.

The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'.

However, lets see if our Council even consider it!
I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it. The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'. However, lets see if our Council even consider it! disquiet
  • Score: 25

10:22am Thu 13 Mar 14

Teddy 1 says...

The council seem to be getting more underhand lately. Sell the land to generate jobs and income.

Also we need to understand whats happening with the removal of school catchments they are bringing in/proposing. I know this is a different issue but they are not appearing to be transparent on a few issues!!
The council seem to be getting more underhand lately. Sell the land to generate jobs and income. Also we need to understand whats happening with the removal of school catchments they are bringing in/proposing. I know this is a different issue but they are not appearing to be transparent on a few issues!! Teddy 1
  • Score: 7

10:46am Thu 13 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

The council admits the Marshes End site is contaminated with methane, but it vent through the permeable surface the intend to put down. What happens if methane builds up under a caravan and someone lights a cigarette?
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Wessex Water have said the Broadstone Way site is directly above an 18 inch pressurised water main. The children who use the skateboard ramps are already at risk, but they're not living above it. What happens if it bursts directly under a caravan?
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Be careful if you want to comment. :-)
The council admits the Marshes End site is contaminated with methane, but it vent through the permeable surface the intend to put down. What happens if methane builds up under a caravan and someone lights a cigarette? ....... Wessex Water have said the Broadstone Way site is directly above an 18 inch pressurised water main. The children who use the skateboard ramps are already at risk, but they're not living above it. What happens if it bursts directly under a caravan? ..... Be careful if you want to comment. :-) Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

11:00am Thu 13 Mar 14

RM says...

disquiet wrote:
I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it.

The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'.

However, lets see if our Council even consider it!
Let's hope that this offer is actually discussed & Cllrs asked for their opinions. Last time round, with the £250K offer, one man, John McBride who is leaving the Council in a few days, made the decision to refuse it. Democracy?
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it. The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'. However, lets see if our Council even consider it![/p][/quote]Let's hope that this offer is actually discussed & Cllrs asked for their opinions. Last time round, with the £250K offer, one man, John McBride who is leaving the Council in a few days, made the decision to refuse it. Democracy? RM
  • Score: 15

11:49am Thu 13 Mar 14

disquiet says...

I find it amazing that Poole Council are even considering these proposals given the understandable strong objections of local businesses.

Looking at the planning application documents, not only have the businesses around the Marshes End site objected but B&Q have also objected to the proposed Broadstone Way site.

Surely if local business / employment / economy are to be affected then this alone should deem the sites unsuitable.
I find it amazing that Poole Council are even considering these proposals given the understandable strong objections of local businesses. Looking at the planning application documents, not only have the businesses around the Marshes End site objected but B&Q have also objected to the proposed Broadstone Way site. Surely if local business / employment / economy are to be affected then this alone should deem the sites unsuitable. disquiet
  • Score: 13

11:54am Thu 13 Mar 14

Speedymax says...

John McBride stressed: “The council has no plans to sell the site and does not consider that it would be in the best interests of local taxpayers to accept an offer for an important council asset without full and proper assessment of its market value.”
350k seems pretty good value for a contaminated field and he can't say its an important gateway site if he wants to use it as a glorified caravan stop over. Who does represent the local residents, certainly not Mr McBride
John McBride stressed: “The council has no plans to sell the site and does not consider that it would be in the best interests of local taxpayers to accept an offer for an important council asset without full and proper assessment of its market value.” 350k seems pretty good value for a contaminated field and he can't say its an important gateway site if he wants to use it as a glorified caravan stop over. Who does represent the local residents, certainly not Mr McBride Speedymax
  • Score: 14

12:14pm Thu 13 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

£350K plus 200 jobs, with tax income from the wages and trading, or a £250K outlay plus tens of thousands a year for a few caravans, anti-social behaviour, piles of s--t to clear up afterwards, and a ward full of unhappy residents (who will still stupidly vote Tory next time anyway). Clearly the council will do the latter, even though it's a no-brainer to do the former!
£350K plus 200 jobs, with tax income from the wages and trading, or a £250K outlay plus tens of thousands a year for a few caravans, anti-social behaviour, piles of s--t to clear up afterwards, and a ward full of unhappy residents (who will still stupidly vote Tory next time anyway). Clearly the council will do the latter, even though it's a no-brainer to do the former! speedy231278
  • Score: 14

1:10pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimi55 says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
It shouldn't be going before the planning committee - it should be going before the whole council because a petition of between 100 and 175 signatures was registered with the council - that's the rule. The planning application only showed 68 signatures on the council web site last time I looked because they'd only photocopied one side of the pages - there were more signatures on the other sides.
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Echo - the exact details have been confirmed. It's on Thursday 20th March at 9.15 am at the Lighthouse. As someone who registered a comment, I've had official notification of it.
.......
Deliberately timed so that those on the school run or working can't get there and pensioners won't be able to use their bus passes. That means that many who have an interest won't be able to attend. The underhandedness regarding this project and attempts to try and stop anyone having any influence on the decision regarding this project continues.
......
It's obvious that the offer from Forelle Estates is a far better use of the land on a gateway site - that is it's obvious to anyone who doesn't think they'll lose face if the TSP doesn't go ahead. They could be losing a lot more if it does - reputation if it isn't used, sleep and sanity (if they have a conscience) if there's loss of life due to an accident on the dual carriageway or because fire engines are delayed, and, for councillors, loss of their seat and income.
Have just tried to check timing of meeting on Poole Borough website - they
did have it at 1 p.m., Civic Centre - what a shock! it now is unable to
display info! Weren't trying to trick people into missing the meeting were we???
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: It shouldn't be going before the planning committee - it should be going before the whole council because a petition of between 100 and 175 signatures was registered with the council - that's the rule. The planning application only showed 68 signatures on the council web site last time I looked because they'd only photocopied one side of the pages - there were more signatures on the other sides. ...... Echo - the exact details have been confirmed. It's on Thursday 20th March at 9.15 am at the Lighthouse. As someone who registered a comment, I've had official notification of it. ....... Deliberately timed so that those on the school run or working can't get there and pensioners won't be able to use their bus passes. That means that many who have an interest won't be able to attend. The underhandedness regarding this project and attempts to try and stop anyone having any influence on the decision regarding this project continues. ...... It's obvious that the offer from Forelle Estates is a far better use of the land on a gateway site - that is it's obvious to anyone who doesn't think they'll lose face if the TSP doesn't go ahead. They could be losing a lot more if it does - reputation if it isn't used, sleep and sanity (if they have a conscience) if there's loss of life due to an accident on the dual carriageway or because fire engines are delayed, and, for councillors, loss of their seat and income.[/p][/quote]Have just tried to check timing of meeting on Poole Borough website - they did have it at 1 p.m., Civic Centre - what a shock! it now is unable to display info! Weren't trying to trick people into missing the meeting were we??? mimi55
  • Score: 8

1:42pm Thu 13 Mar 14

InkZ says...

I wonder how many people are secretly hoping the TSP goes ahead because it's not in their back yard and means it's someone elses problem ;)
I wonder how many people are secretly hoping the TSP goes ahead because it's not in their back yard and means it's someone elses problem ;) InkZ
  • Score: 7

2:05pm Thu 13 Mar 14

disquiet says...

One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable.

A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ.

It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply.

Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed.

Link to aforementioned document:

https://boppa.boroug
hofpoole.com/online-
applications/files/0
D7AAD65C47264AB30814
35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_
14_00123_F-MARSHES_E
ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD
-1465351.pdf
One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable. A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ. It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply. Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed. Link to aforementioned document: https://boppa.boroug hofpoole.com/online- applications/files/0 D7AAD65C47264AB30814 35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_ 14_00123_F-MARSHES_E ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD -1465351.pdf disquiet
  • Score: 12

2:05pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Mad Karew says...

I am delighted to read that there is to be a Special Council Meeting to debate this ' no brainer offer'
I am further grateful for the expected common sense of the three Creekmoor Ward Cllrs, unlike the majority of Poole Council for calling this meeting and using the formal provision of the Council's Constitution to do so.
Speaking to them this morning they feel it is imperative that if Poole really is 'open for business' and a 'caring Council' that the offer is considered properly by all members.
Creating 200 jobs, increasing the business rate return and providing a fabulous building on the gateway to Poole, coupled with providing enough money to lease or buy a site which is suitable for Gypsy and Traveller Communities, with full consultation of everybody concerned how can that not be a massive plus for Poole.
Looking at the latest show stopper in the planning website portal it is clear to the man in the street that the planning application must fail, therefore why won't this Council cut the losses of the Council Tax payer who will ultimately pay for the mistakes made by the elected members responsible for getting us into this mess!
Unless of course the planning hearing is rigged, in which case see you in the High Court!!.............
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I am delighted to read that there is to be a Special Council Meeting to debate this ' no brainer offer' I am further grateful for the expected common sense of the three Creekmoor Ward Cllrs, unlike the majority of Poole Council for calling this meeting and using the formal provision of the Council's Constitution to do so. Speaking to them this morning they feel it is imperative that if Poole really is 'open for business' and a 'caring Council' that the offer is considered properly by all members. Creating 200 jobs, increasing the business rate return and providing a fabulous building on the gateway to Poole, coupled with providing enough money to lease or buy a site which is suitable for Gypsy and Traveller Communities, with full consultation of everybody concerned how can that not be a massive plus for Poole. Looking at the latest show stopper in the planning website portal it is clear to the man in the street that the planning application must fail, therefore why won't this Council cut the losses of the Council Tax payer who will ultimately pay for the mistakes made by the elected members responsible for getting us into this mess! Unless of course the planning hearing is rigged, in which case see you in the High Court!!............. .................... ........ Mad Karew
  • Score: 9

2:13pm Thu 13 Mar 14

kazza98765 says...

maybe me being cynical but could this be just why the council are doing it, like they did with the grange road site in Christchurch. In normal circumstances planning permission would not be given to build on this land so offer it as a travellers site and then the people will complain and say we do not want travellers here so to stop the travellers site the council will sell the land and push through the planning for building on land that would not normally get through.
maybe me being cynical but could this be just why the council are doing it, like they did with the grange road site in Christchurch. In normal circumstances planning permission would not be given to build on this land so offer it as a travellers site and then the people will complain and say we do not want travellers here so to stop the travellers site the council will sell the land and push through the planning for building on land that would not normally get through. kazza98765
  • Score: 5

4:12pm Thu 13 Mar 14

cromwell9 says...

Poole Council wont sell them the site ,even if they were offered 1 MILLON,
They would loose face,.Anyway they are determend to put this stupid transit site whatever,
Iff some one was to offer me 200 new jobs in the Bourough ,l would snatch there hand off,
But you are dealing with Public Secter Workers ,who have no idea how to make a profit .Let alone step up to the Private secter world,
Great idea ,But you have got know chance.
Poole Council wont sell them the site ,even if they were offered 1 MILLON, They would loose face,.Anyway they are determend to put this stupid transit site whatever, Iff some one was to offer me 200 new jobs in the Bourough ,l would snatch there hand off, But you are dealing with Public Secter Workers ,who have no idea how to make a profit .Let alone step up to the Private secter world, Great idea ,But you have got know chance. cromwell9
  • Score: 5

4:43pm Thu 13 Mar 14

High Treason says...

disquiet wrote:
One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable.

A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ.

It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply.

Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed.

Link to aforementioned document:

https://boppa.boroug

hofpoole.com/online-

applications/files/0

D7AAD65C47264AB30814

35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_

14_00123_F-MARSHES_E

ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD

-1465351.pdf
Council running scared........?
Not available at 16-43 today.

Document Unavailable
This document is unavailable for viewing at this time.
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable. A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ. It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply. Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed. Link to aforementioned document: https://boppa.boroug hofpoole.com/online- applications/files/0 D7AAD65C47264AB30814 35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_ 14_00123_F-MARSHES_E ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD -1465351.pdf[/p][/quote]Council running scared........? Not available at 16-43 today. Document Unavailable This document is unavailable for viewing at this time. High Treason
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Thu 13 Mar 14

ADST_2008 says...

60plus wrote:
Why can't they put the travellers on the land next to the twin sails bridge? and sell the other land and create jobs.
Yes agreed, this could be done as a temporary measure while a more permanent TSP could be found in Poole. The sale of the Marshes End site would more than pay for several TSP,s at one off the other 90 sites around Poole.
[quote][p][bold]60plus[/bold] wrote: Why can't they put the travellers on the land next to the twin sails bridge? and sell the other land and create jobs.[/p][/quote]Yes agreed, this could be done as a temporary measure while a more permanent TSP could be found in Poole. The sale of the Marshes End site would more than pay for several TSP,s at one off the other 90 sites around Poole. ADST_2008
  • Score: 6

5:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

susi.m says...

For goodness sake just sell the land.
For goodness sake just sell the land. susi.m
  • Score: 5

5:18pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Sandbanks Showpony says...

When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden.
350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more.
Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes.

Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.
When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy. Sandbanks Showpony
  • Score: -12

5:38pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimi55 says...

Mad Karew wrote:
I am delighted to read that there is to be a Special Council Meeting to debate this ' no brainer offer'
I am further grateful for the expected common sense of the three Creekmoor Ward Cllrs, unlike the majority of Poole Council for calling this meeting and using the formal provision of the Council's Constitution to do so.
Speaking to them this morning they feel it is imperative that if Poole really is 'open for business' and a 'caring Council' that the offer is considered properly by all members.
Creating 200 jobs, increasing the business rate return and providing a fabulous building on the gateway to Poole, coupled with providing enough money to lease or buy a site which is suitable for Gypsy and Traveller Communities, with full consultation of everybody concerned how can that not be a massive plus for Poole.
Looking at the latest show stopper in the planning website portal it is clear to the man in the street that the planning application must fail, therefore why won't this Council cut the losses of the Council Tax payer who will ultimately pay for the mistakes made by the elected members responsible for getting us into this mess!
Unless of course the planning hearing is rigged, in which case see you in the High Court!!.............

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........
hear hear!
[quote][p][bold]Mad Karew[/bold] wrote: I am delighted to read that there is to be a Special Council Meeting to debate this ' no brainer offer' I am further grateful for the expected common sense of the three Creekmoor Ward Cllrs, unlike the majority of Poole Council for calling this meeting and using the formal provision of the Council's Constitution to do so. Speaking to them this morning they feel it is imperative that if Poole really is 'open for business' and a 'caring Council' that the offer is considered properly by all members. Creating 200 jobs, increasing the business rate return and providing a fabulous building on the gateway to Poole, coupled with providing enough money to lease or buy a site which is suitable for Gypsy and Traveller Communities, with full consultation of everybody concerned how can that not be a massive plus for Poole. Looking at the latest show stopper in the planning website portal it is clear to the man in the street that the planning application must fail, therefore why won't this Council cut the losses of the Council Tax payer who will ultimately pay for the mistakes made by the elected members responsible for getting us into this mess! Unless of course the planning hearing is rigged, in which case see you in the High Court!!............. .................... ........[/p][/quote]hear hear! mimi55
  • Score: 4

5:42pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimi55 says...

Sandbanks Showpony wrote:
When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden.
350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more.
Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes.

Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.
Sandbanks??? No vested interest in having the TSP well away from you
then???
[quote][p][bold]Sandbanks Showpony[/bold] wrote: When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.[/p][/quote]Sandbanks??? No vested interest in having the TSP well away from you then??? mimi55
  • Score: 6

5:53pm Thu 13 Mar 14

ADST_2008 says...

Sandbanks Showpony wrote:
When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.
Sounds like you may be one of the decision makers next week?
Oh and by the way 350K is a lot of money to a cash strapped council.
[quote][p][bold]Sandbanks Showpony[/bold] wrote: When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.[/p][/quote]Sounds like you may be one of the decision makers next week? Oh and by the way 350K is a lot of money to a cash strapped council. ADST_2008
  • Score: 9

6:37pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Desperado says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
The council admits the Marshes End site is contaminated with methane, but it vent through the permeable surface the intend to put down. What happens if methane builds up under a caravan and someone lights a cigarette?
.......
Wessex Water have said the Broadstone Way site is directly above an 18 inch pressurised water main. The children who use the skateboard ramps are already at risk, but they're not living above it. What happens if it bursts directly under a caravan?
.....
Be careful if you want to comment. :-)
Marshes End site is contaminated with methane, but it vent through the permeable surface the intend to put down. What happens if methane builds up under a caravan and someone lights a cigarette? ....

Would that be a bad thing ?
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: The council admits the Marshes End site is contaminated with methane, but it vent through the permeable surface the intend to put down. What happens if methane builds up under a caravan and someone lights a cigarette? ....... Wessex Water have said the Broadstone Way site is directly above an 18 inch pressurised water main. The children who use the skateboard ramps are already at risk, but they're not living above it. What happens if it bursts directly under a caravan? ..... Be careful if you want to comment. :-)[/p][/quote]Marshes End site is contaminated with methane, but it vent through the permeable surface the intend to put down. What happens if methane builds up under a caravan and someone lights a cigarette? .... Would that be a bad thing ? Desperado
  • Score: 1

6:47pm Thu 13 Mar 14

i have heard it all now says...

Vicky Slade what is your position on this crucial vote,you will of course be reading this comment with Great interest as you represent many of the local residents.

SEE YOU AT THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT BOX-KISS THE BROADSTONE AND NORTH POOLE MP LIBERAL POSITION GOODBYE !

WE ALL KNOW THE LIBERAL POSITION ON THIS.
Vicky Slade what is your position on this crucial vote,you will of course be reading this comment with Great interest as you represent many of the local residents. SEE YOU AT THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT BOX-KISS THE BROADSTONE AND NORTH POOLE MP LIBERAL POSITION GOODBYE ! WE ALL KNOW THE LIBERAL POSITION ON THIS. i have heard it all now
  • Score: 9

6:51pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

High Treason wrote:
disquiet wrote:
One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable.

A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ.

It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply.

Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed.

Link to aforementioned document:

https://boppa.boroug


hofpoole.com/online-


applications/files/0


D7AAD65C47264AB30814


35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_


14_00123_F-MARSHES_E


ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD


-1465351.pdf
Council running scared........?
Not available at 16-43 today.

Document Unavailable
This document is unavailable for viewing at this time.
You can get to the document by going to the Borough of Poole web site
......
then click on view a planning application,
.....
then enter Safety Drive in the search box
.....
then click search
......
then click on the tab labelled Documents
......
then scroll down to the third document from the bottom
.....
then click on the document title.
......
Do you get the impression they want to make it difficult for us to to read?
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable. A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ. It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply. Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed. Link to aforementioned document: https://boppa.boroug hofpoole.com/online- applications/files/0 D7AAD65C47264AB30814 35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_ 14_00123_F-MARSHES_E ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD -1465351.pdf[/p][/quote]Council running scared........? Not available at 16-43 today. Document Unavailable This document is unavailable for viewing at this time.[/p][/quote]You can get to the document by going to the Borough of Poole web site ...... then click on view a planning application, ..... then enter Safety Drive in the search box ..... then click search ...... then click on the tab labelled Documents ...... then scroll down to the third document from the bottom ..... then click on the document title. ...... Do you get the impression they want to make it difficult for us to to read? Carolyn43
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Thu 13 Mar 14

.Freckles says...

Hang on, this is uninhabitable WASTELAND and £350k is ridiculously generous so why isn't the Council selling?
Hang on, this is uninhabitable WASTELAND and £350k is ridiculously generous so why isn't the Council selling? .Freckles
  • Score: 5

7:18pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

Seems that the Planning report re Marshes End Safety Drive from the Borough of Poole will be on the BOP web site tomorrow presumably on the Safety Drive planning application page. Should make interesting reading.
Seems that the Planning report re Marshes End Safety Drive from the Borough of Poole will be on the BOP web site tomorrow presumably on the Safety Drive planning application page. Should make interesting reading. Carolyn43
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Thu 13 Mar 14

mimi55 says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
High Treason wrote:
disquiet wrote:
One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable.

A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ.

It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply.

Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed.

Link to aforementioned document:

https://boppa.boroug



hofpoole.com/online-



applications/files/0



D7AAD65C47264AB30814



35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_



14_00123_F-MARSHES_E



ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD



-1465351.pdf
Council running scared........?
Not available at 16-43 today.

Document Unavailable
This document is unavailable for viewing at this time.
You can get to the document by going to the Borough of Poole web site
......
then click on view a planning application,
.....
then enter Safety Drive in the search box
.....
then click search
......
then click on the tab labelled Documents
......
then scroll down to the third document from the bottom
.....
then click on the document title.
......
Do you get the impression they want to make it difficult for us to to read?
Just read the document. Unbelievable that planning application still going
ahead, when company responsible for private water supply clearly state
they will not make water available! Echo - should you be investigating?
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: One of the reasons the Marshes End site was selected was because a water supply to the site was achievable. A recent objection document added to the planning application by Marshes End Management Co Ltd would beg to differ. It's claimed that the water supply would have to be taken from private water pipes. The Marshes End Management Co Ltd have said that they will not give the Council the necessary rights to access this water supply. Yet more evidence, if it was needed, that the site selection process was fundamentally flawed. Link to aforementioned document: https://boppa.boroug hofpoole.com/online- applications/files/0 D7AAD65C47264AB30814 35EF06D17E0/pdf/APP_ 14_00123_F-MARSHES_E ND_MANAGEMENT_CO_LTD -1465351.pdf[/p][/quote]Council running scared........? Not available at 16-43 today. Document Unavailable This document is unavailable for viewing at this time.[/p][/quote]You can get to the document by going to the Borough of Poole web site ...... then click on view a planning application, ..... then enter Safety Drive in the search box ..... then click search ...... then click on the tab labelled Documents ...... then scroll down to the third document from the bottom ..... then click on the document title. ...... Do you get the impression they want to make it difficult for us to to read?[/p][/quote]Just read the document. Unbelievable that planning application still going ahead, when company responsible for private water supply clearly state they will not make water available! Echo - should you be investigating? mimi55
  • Score: 3

9:16pm Thu 13 Mar 14

ShuttleX says...

mimi55 wrote:- Just read the document. Unbelievable that planning application still going ahead, when company responsible for private water supply clearly state they will not make water available! Echo - should you be investigating?

The Echo investigate? Now that did make me smile. You should know by now the Echo does what it's told and prints what it's told.

Despite Ms Atkinson, trying to get the TSP's forced through quickly, she is facing a behind closed doors battle. There are some Councillors against the idea, some for it, but the one's I'm interested in are the few who are holding for a better position in the Council. Payment for their vote.


integrity
/ɪnˈtɛgrɪti/
noun: integrity
the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.

Thought I would just throw that it seeing as not many Councillors seem to know what the word means. A politicians version of the word is "make what you can, don't get caught"
mimi55 wrote:- Just read the document. Unbelievable that planning application still going ahead, when company responsible for private water supply clearly state they will not make water available! Echo - should you be investigating? The Echo investigate? Now that did make me smile. You should know by now the Echo does what it's told and prints what it's told. Despite Ms Atkinson, trying to get the TSP's forced through quickly, she is facing a behind closed doors battle. There are some Councillors against the idea, some for it, but the one's I'm interested in are the few who are holding for a better position in the Council. Payment for their vote. integrity /ɪnˈtɛgrɪti/ noun: integrity the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles. Thought I would just throw that it seeing as not many Councillors seem to know what the word means. A politicians version of the word is "make what you can, don't get caught" ShuttleX
  • Score: 6

10:07pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Yankee1 says...

Surely, aside from the upfront money the council would receive, the ongoing business rates would produce much more income from the few pounds per pitch a travelers' site would produce?

There are commercial caravan sites dotted around the area. Let the travelers camp there...at the market rate we all have to pay.
Surely, aside from the upfront money the council would receive, the ongoing business rates would produce much more income from the few pounds per pitch a travelers' site would produce? There are commercial caravan sites dotted around the area. Let the travelers camp there...at the market rate we all have to pay. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

10:09pm Thu 13 Mar 14

Jo__Go says...

Sandbanks Showpony wrote:
When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden.
350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more.
Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes.

Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.
You really don't understand the basics, do you...?

There is NO quota or deadline for TSPs.

Marshes End is utterly UNsuitable on so many levels it beggars description.

"...once the TSP is finished it could be sold on for a lot more." Really? A bit of gravel and a new fence is going to push the value up beyond £150k over current market valuation?

"Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town" ... erm, last time I checked, Creekmoor was part of the town. Yup, there it is, right there on my council tax bill.

"Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy" Maybe you could Google 'bureaucracy' and while you're at it, 'democracy' You'll find that bureaucracy is what Atkinson the Dud, and the planners, wish was happening, and that democracy is what the residents and taxpayers are trying to make happen.
[quote][p][bold]Sandbanks Showpony[/bold] wrote: When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.[/p][/quote]You really don't understand the basics, do you...? There is NO quota or deadline for TSPs. Marshes End is utterly UNsuitable on so many levels it beggars description. "...once the TSP is finished it could be sold on for a lot more." Really? A bit of gravel and a new fence is going to push the value up beyond £150k over current market valuation? "Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town" ... erm, last time I checked, Creekmoor was part of the town. Yup, there it is, right there on my council tax bill. "Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy" Maybe you could Google 'bureaucracy' and while you're at it, 'democracy' You'll find that bureaucracy is what Atkinson the Dud, and the planners, wish was happening, and that democracy is what the residents and taxpayers are trying to make happen. Jo__Go
  • Score: 7

11:25pm Thu 13 Mar 14

GaryC67 says...

No business would pay over the market value for a plot of land, There is plenty of space available by the Premier Inn on Sterte Ave West to build on.

So you'd have to think this is just a stalling tactic to stop the land being used this year as a temporary traveller site. £350k plus 200 jobs... really
No business would pay over the market value for a plot of land, There is plenty of space available by the Premier Inn on Sterte Ave West to build on. So you'd have to think this is just a stalling tactic to stop the land being used this year as a temporary traveller site. £350k plus 200 jobs... really GaryC67
  • Score: -7

9:22am Fri 14 Mar 14

disquiet says...

GaryC67 wrote:
No business would pay over the market value for a plot of land, There is plenty of space available by the Premier Inn on Sterte Ave West to build on.

So you'd have to think this is just a stalling tactic to stop the land being used this year as a temporary traveller site. £350k plus 200 jobs... really
Forelle Estates currently own a property directly adjacent to the proposed TSP.

Clearly they feel that having a TSP in such close proximity will have an adverse financial affect on their existing property ( decreased property value, loss of rental income etc ).

Hence why I suspect it would make (financial) sense for them to pay a premium for the site.
[quote][p][bold]GaryC67[/bold] wrote: No business would pay over the market value for a plot of land, There is plenty of space available by the Premier Inn on Sterte Ave West to build on. So you'd have to think this is just a stalling tactic to stop the land being used this year as a temporary traveller site. £350k plus 200 jobs... really[/p][/quote]Forelle Estates currently own a property directly adjacent to the proposed TSP. Clearly they feel that having a TSP in such close proximity will have an adverse financial affect on their existing property ( decreased property value, loss of rental income etc ). Hence why I suspect it would make (financial) sense for them to pay a premium for the site. disquiet
  • Score: 6

10:17am Fri 14 Mar 14

Carolyn43 says...

Yankee1 wrote:
Surely, aside from the upfront money the council would receive, the ongoing business rates would produce much more income from the few pounds per pitch a travelers' site would produce?

There are commercial caravan sites dotted around the area. Let the travelers camp there...at the market rate we all have to pay.
They won't be paying. I believe BOP have said it would be too difficult to collect money from them.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: Surely, aside from the upfront money the council would receive, the ongoing business rates would produce much more income from the few pounds per pitch a travelers' site would produce? There are commercial caravan sites dotted around the area. Let the travelers camp there...at the market rate we all have to pay.[/p][/quote]They won't be paying. I believe BOP have said it would be too difficult to collect money from them. Carolyn43
  • Score: 2

8:02pm Fri 14 Mar 14

SimonJB says...

Sandbanks Showpony wrote:
When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy.

Please for all that's good in the world, please tell me that Sandbanks Showpony has nothing to do with the council. A person who knows NOTHING about business. You need to do some fancy book learning and leave business to those who know something about it!!
Sandbanks Showpony wrote: When will this story finish? Poole are tired to government quotas of TSPs and deadlines, there is no way out. Realistically the land at marshes end is un used and suitable, nor is it really on someones back garden. 350k isn't really that much for the land, once the TSP is fnished it could be sold on for a lot more. Finally, "200 jobs", from where? Constructing the site will obviously create some, but once finished it'll just be un used office space. Having office space doesn't immediately mean there is business in there. It's a poorly serviced area anyway. I'd recommend them taking their 350k and investing it in offices in the town centre, that needs regeneration but at least is well serviced by rail and bus. Offices out of town hardly bring money to the town as everyone comes in by car and brings their own lunches. Instead of using the buses and local cafes. Lets just conclude this, and stop wasting time and money with lengthy bureaucracy. Please for all that's good in the world, please tell me that Sandbanks Showpony has nothing to do with the council. A person who knows NOTHING about business. You need to do some fancy book learning and leave business to those who know something about it!! SimonJB
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Phixer says...

disquiet wrote:
I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it.

The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'.

However, lets see if our Council even consider it!
If the offer has been increased, what's in it for Forelle? If something seems too good to be true then it probably is. The fishing boat is to distract from the smell of something fishy.
[quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it. The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'. However, lets see if our Council even consider it![/p][/quote]If the offer has been increased, what's in it for Forelle? If something seems too good to be true then it probably is. The fishing boat is to distract from the smell of something fishy. Phixer
  • Score: -2

4:42pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Speedymax says...

Phixer wrote:
disquiet wrote:
I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it.

The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'.

However, lets see if our Council even consider it!
If the offer has been increased, what's in it for Forelle? If something seems too good to be true then it probably is. The fishing boat is to distract from the smell of something fishy.
What's in it for them is the very real risk of two of their tenants moving elsewhere. As someone who works in Marshes End offices I can tell you it has been actively discussed and what happens will depend on how the situation evolves. I imagine Forelle Estates are looking to protect their business, after all if tenants move out they would need to re-rent the office space at a reduced price and there must be a point where it just isn't economically worth it for them. If the tenants stay I'm sure they will be asking for much cheaper rent deals, also not good news if you are running a business to make a profit.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]disquiet[/bold] wrote: I understand Forelle Estates had the Marshes End site professionally valued at £200k and thus they are paying a premium for it. The offer of £350k, 200 jobs and a landmark building on the gateway to Poole would appear to most as 'no brainer'. However, lets see if our Council even consider it![/p][/quote]If the offer has been increased, what's in it for Forelle? If something seems too good to be true then it probably is. The fishing boat is to distract from the smell of something fishy.[/p][/quote]What's in it for them is the very real risk of two of their tenants moving elsewhere. As someone who works in Marshes End offices I can tell you it has been actively discussed and what happens will depend on how the situation evolves. I imagine Forelle Estates are looking to protect their business, after all if tenants move out they would need to re-rent the office space at a reduced price and there must be a point where it just isn't economically worth it for them. If the tenants stay I'm sure they will be asking for much cheaper rent deals, also not good news if you are running a business to make a profit. Speedymax
  • Score: 3

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