Trial plan to save Burton bus route launched by Yellow Buses with passengers urged to support service

Bournemouth Echo: BUS PROTEST: Burton residents Pam Wyatt, Veronica Renault and Joyce Siegenberg with their petition against the axing of the No.21 bus service BUS PROTEST: Burton residents Pam Wyatt, Veronica Renault and Joyce Siegenberg with their petition against the axing of the No.21 bus service

A TRIAL plan to save a village bus route threatened by county council budget cuts has been announced.

After hundreds of residents signed a petition to save the routes from being axed, arguing that route 21 was a vital lifeline, Yellow Buses have announced a trial reprieve for the service.

Route 21 linking Bournemouth and Burton was under threat as part of moves by Dorset County Council to save £850,000 in bus subsidies.

Now Yellow Buses has agreed to commercially invest in the 21, initially on a trial basis, to retain an hourly daytime and Saturday service between Burton, Christchurch, the Royal Bournemouth Hospital, Boscombe and Bournemouth.

From April 6, route 21 will join with the Yellow Buses’ route 24 service, which runs between Bournemouth and Alum Chine. The Alum Chine section of the route will continue to operate Monday to Sunday as it does now, while the Bournemouth to Burton stretch will operate hourly Monday to Saturday.

Mark Ambler, Yellow Buses’ head of network development, said: “We must stress that these new arrangements are on a trial basis due to the substantial amount of funding which has been cut.

“It is absolutely essential that residents of Burton and River Way in Christchurch make full use of the service. We have worked really hard to try and save this route, at least in the short-term, but are now looking to the local community to support the service.

“Unfortunately, and with much regret, we will not be able to retain services in the late evening and Sundays between Burton and Bournemouth due to the loss of subsidy. We will, of course, review this should the funding situation change.”

Full details of the new 24 service, including timetables, will be available from March 17.

Visit bybus.co.uk for more information.

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1:30pm Wed 5 Mar 14

joetheman says...

Glad they are stopping late evening buses,i would not want to bump into the trio pictured in the dark
Glad they are stopping late evening buses,i would not want to bump into the trio pictured in the dark joetheman
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4:11pm Wed 5 Mar 14

speedy231278 says...

Perhaps if the people pictured above paid for a ticket rather than wave a bus pass at the driver, there'd be no need for such a large subsidy and the route might stay open?
Perhaps if the people pictured above paid for a ticket rather than wave a bus pass at the driver, there'd be no need for such a large subsidy and the route might stay open? speedy231278
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6:09pm Wed 5 Mar 14

rahopinions says...

I'm afraid that this story is somewhat misleading.

YB 21 currently runs Square -> Boscombe ->Hospital -> Jumpers -> West Christchurch -> Christchurch -> Burton. It is paid for WHOLLY by Dorset County Council who specify the route and timetable; Yellow Buses do not have any commercial interest in this route. The two (elderly and prone to breakdown) vehicles cost £126,000 a year (see The Dorset Cabinet Minutes for 04 December 2013 (and the PDF at http://www1.dorsetfo
ryou.com/COUNCIL/com
mis2013.nsf/2EF7F346
14FC7F9580257C2F0057
B952/$file/Supported
%20Local%20Bus%20Ser
vices%20with%20Appen
dices.pdf). YB 21 runs all day, and a few on Sundays.

From April, in order to save money YB21 was initially going to be cancelled by Dorset.. Petitions and Christchurch County Councillors intervened (as reported in this newspaper), and (partly acting on a suggestion from me), Dorset changed their subsidy to £75,000 and cut back YB21 to Bournemouth Hospital -> Burton, using one vehicle. This results in an about 70min frequency, and no evening (after about 1800) or Sunday services - but with the Saturday frequency the same as weekdays.

This saved the bus for Burton and West Christchurch passengers - who are VERY dependant on it - whilst saving Dorset money: enforced changes at Christchurch or Jumpers Corner are annoying for people going to Bournemouth, but at least the bus would be around.

Dorset have not altered their subsidy or routing. Thus, the new YB24 adds/restores the Bournemouth -> Boscombe -> Hospital portion of the April-reduced YB21 - and it is this bit which is the commercially operated portion by YB. The Hospital -> Burton part is not commercial, and is still paid for by Dorset. Thus, the strange thing for YB is that Alum Chine -> Hospital is commercial (and so liable for curtailment etc.) whereas Hospital -> Burton is not commercial.

Dorset will be retendering all it's subsidised/sponsored bus services early in 2016, so things may well change in two years time (maybe more action will be required for retention).

All that being said. I wonder if YB's very welcome commercial decision is as generous as presented. Readers/Passengers will recall that before the current Alum Chine service was restricted to The Square, it went (from May 2011, see https://www.bybus.co
.uk/2011/05/changes-
to-non-core-routes-b
y-yellow-buses-from-
june-26/) to the Hospital. YB decided to cut back to The Square on the basis of lack-of-traffic (a commercial decision).

I speculate that the wealthy and vocal residents of Westbourne and Alum Chine wanted a bus to goto the Hospital (or Boscombe?), and not suffer the indignity of a change at The Square. And being such, decided to put pressure of YB to restore that link. No doubt this speculation is inaccurate.

Yellow Buses is a trading name of Bournemouth Transport Limited (it also runs things like the National Express Coaches to London) which is ultimately owned by RATP, the French operator of the Paris Metro (which is why one can see a vision of The Seine on Yellow Buses). Bournemouth Council still has some (non-dividend paying) shares in Bournemouth Transport, reflecting the historical fact that YB used to be a department of Bournemouth Council. Bournemouth Transport has a local four member Board of Directors.

I observe from the Bournemouth Transport Accounts (dated December 2012, the latest available) that one of the Directors is 'J W Beesley'. The leader of Bournemouth Council, and member for Westbourne & the West Cliff, is Councillor John Beesley.

I make no comment on this observation, and DEFINITELY do not imply anything either.

In another slight change, I gather that the ancient buses used on YB21 are shortly to be replaced with newer ones which are less likely to fail and, probably, offer a smoother ride.

I declare an interest: this change to YB21 to goto Westbourne will benefit me, as I will not have to change buses in the cold and rain when travelling to/from Westbourne. I hope all Westbourne travellers use it.

Still, not withstanding any of the above, I commend YB (not something I can usually be accused of doing) for keeping the connectivity of YB21 to The Square despite Dorset cutting back.
I'm afraid that this story is somewhat misleading. YB 21 currently runs Square -> Boscombe ->Hospital -> Jumpers -> West Christchurch -> Christchurch -> Burton. It is paid for WHOLLY by Dorset County Council who specify the route and timetable; Yellow Buses do not have any commercial interest in this route. The two (elderly and prone to breakdown) vehicles cost £126,000 a year (see The Dorset Cabinet Minutes for 04 December 2013 (and the PDF at http://www1.dorsetfo ryou.com/COUNCIL/com mis2013.nsf/2EF7F346 14FC7F9580257C2F0057 B952/$file/Supported %20Local%20Bus%20Ser vices%20with%20Appen dices.pdf). YB 21 runs all day, and a few on Sundays. From April, in order to save money YB21 was initially going to be cancelled by Dorset.. Petitions and Christchurch County Councillors intervened (as reported in this newspaper), and (partly acting on a suggestion from me), Dorset changed their subsidy to £75,000 and cut back YB21 to Bournemouth Hospital -> Burton, using one vehicle. This results in an about 70min frequency, and no evening (after about 1800) or Sunday services - but with the Saturday frequency the same as weekdays. This saved the bus for Burton and West Christchurch passengers - who are VERY dependant on it - whilst saving Dorset money: enforced changes at Christchurch or Jumpers Corner are annoying for people going to Bournemouth, but at least the bus would be around. Dorset have not altered their subsidy or routing. Thus, the new YB24 adds/restores the Bournemouth -> Boscombe -> Hospital portion of the April-reduced YB21 - and it is this bit which is the commercially operated portion by YB. The Hospital -> Burton part is not commercial, and is still paid for by Dorset. Thus, the strange thing for YB is that Alum Chine -> Hospital is commercial (and so liable for curtailment etc.) whereas Hospital -> Burton is not commercial. Dorset will be retendering all it's subsidised/sponsored bus services early in 2016, so things may well change in two years time (maybe more action will be required for retention). All that being said. I wonder if YB's very welcome commercial decision is as generous as presented. Readers/Passengers will recall that before the current Alum Chine service was restricted to The Square, it went (from May 2011, see https://www.bybus.co .uk/2011/05/changes- to-non-core-routes-b y-yellow-buses-from- june-26/) to the Hospital. YB decided to cut back to The Square on the basis of lack-of-traffic (a commercial decision). I speculate that the wealthy and vocal residents of Westbourne and Alum Chine wanted a bus to goto the Hospital (or Boscombe?), and not suffer the indignity of a change at The Square. And being such, decided to put pressure of YB to restore that link. No doubt this speculation is inaccurate. Yellow Buses is a trading name of Bournemouth Transport Limited (it also runs things like the National Express Coaches to London) which is ultimately owned by RATP, the French operator of the Paris Metro (which is why one can see a vision of The Seine on Yellow Buses). Bournemouth Council still has some (non-dividend paying) shares in Bournemouth Transport, reflecting the historical fact that YB used to be a department of Bournemouth Council. Bournemouth Transport has a local four member Board of Directors. I observe from the Bournemouth Transport Accounts (dated December 2012, the latest available) that one of the Directors is 'J W Beesley'. The leader of Bournemouth Council, and member for Westbourne & the West Cliff, is Councillor John Beesley. I make no comment on this observation, and DEFINITELY do not imply anything either. In another slight change, I gather that the ancient buses used on YB21 are shortly to be replaced with newer ones which are less likely to fail and, probably, offer a smoother ride. I declare an interest: this change to YB21 to goto Westbourne will benefit me, as I will not have to change buses in the cold and rain when travelling to/from Westbourne. I hope all Westbourne travellers use it. Still, not withstanding any of the above, I commend YB (not something I can usually be accused of doing) for keeping the connectivity of YB21 to The Square despite Dorset cutting back. rahopinions
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8:37pm Wed 5 Mar 14

grizzly-bear says...

First off, I'm glad we are keeping the service, thumbs up to YB for that.

I'd be interested to know what time the last one will be arriving in Burton in the evening, and also the bus between 8 and 9am with the current 'school' service being a complete joke.

Also in the spring/summer the last 3 buses have all been packed with students, all paying passengers. For a couple of months I couldn't even get a seat on the last bus in. Will they put extra services on in the summer?

I'm sure more people will use the bus when we have buses that actually work as opposed to temperamental old bone shakers... We sometimes have a bus that stinks of wet washing, it's always the same bus, please can YB scrap it or just clean it?! And it's no joke to be standing in the rain for 40+ minutes or driving along whilst the engine warning constantly beeps leaving you a) wondering if you'll get home before the bus actually dies and b )with a headache because apparently we can only have the worst buses YB owns. I know I'm looking forward to better buses!
First off, I'm glad we are keeping the service, thumbs up to YB for that. I'd be interested to know what time the last one will be arriving in Burton in the evening, and also the bus between 8 and 9am with the current 'school' service being a complete joke. Also in the spring/summer the last 3 buses have all been packed with students, all paying passengers. For a couple of months I couldn't even get a seat on the last bus in. Will they put extra services on in the summer? I'm sure more people will use the bus when we have buses that actually work as opposed to temperamental old bone shakers... We sometimes have a bus that stinks of wet washing, it's always the same bus, please can YB scrap it or just clean it?! And it's no joke to be standing in the rain for 40+ minutes or driving along whilst the engine warning constantly beeps leaving you a) wondering if you'll get home before the bus actually dies and b )with a headache because apparently we can only have the worst buses YB owns. I know I'm looking forward to better buses! grizzly-bear
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6:28am Thu 6 Mar 14

misplacedspaniard says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Perhaps if the people pictured above paid for a ticket rather than wave a bus pass at the driver, there'd be no need for such a large subsidy and the route might stay open?
Here here. These non paying oaps are the worst when it comes to complaining.

If the bus is late, they complain. Paying commuters don't.
They expect a PAYING PASSENGER to surrender their seat so they can sit down yet won't give up their seat for a paying pregnant passenger (fair enough if they are infirm but a lot of pensioners see it as their right to sit down - um no!)
They complain about pushchairs.
They complain about wheelchairs.
They distract the driver whilst he/she is driving.
Even though they have the whole day to use their pass they bi tch and moan at the driver because they cannot use it at 9.29. RULES ARE RULES.

Obviously I'm generalising here and before anyone gets Mardy yes I have met some lovely older members of society on the bus. However I have observed the more ungrateful oaps who do nothing but moan about a service which is provided to them free of charge at our expense.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the people pictured above paid for a ticket rather than wave a bus pass at the driver, there'd be no need for such a large subsidy and the route might stay open?[/p][/quote]Here here. These non paying oaps are the worst when it comes to complaining. If the bus is late, they complain. Paying commuters don't. They expect a PAYING PASSENGER to surrender their seat so they can sit down yet won't give up their seat for a paying pregnant passenger (fair enough if they are infirm but a lot of pensioners see it as their right to sit down - um no!) They complain about pushchairs. They complain about wheelchairs. They distract the driver whilst he/she is driving. Even though they have the whole day to use their pass they bi tch and moan at the driver because they cannot use it at 9.29. RULES ARE RULES. Obviously I'm generalising here and before anyone gets Mardy yes I have met some lovely older members of society on the bus. However I have observed the more ungrateful oaps who do nothing but moan about a service which is provided to them free of charge at our expense. misplacedspaniard
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1:34pm Fri 7 Mar 14

bobsworthforever says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Perhaps if the people pictured above paid for a ticket rather than wave a bus pass at the driver, there'd be no need for such a large subsidy and the route might stay open?
Rubbish we should be arguing for more subsidised travel not less if not more people paying exhorbitant car parking and it wont help the buses they will just use their cars unless their infirm then they wont go at all.Considering the level of the state pension just about the lowest in Europe the least they can expect is subsidised travel
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Perhaps if the people pictured above paid for a ticket rather than wave a bus pass at the driver, there'd be no need for such a large subsidy and the route might stay open?[/p][/quote]Rubbish we should be arguing for more subsidised travel not less if not more people paying exhorbitant car parking and it wont help the buses they will just use their cars unless their infirm then they wont go at all.Considering the level of the state pension just about the lowest in Europe the least they can expect is subsidised travel bobsworthforever
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6:10pm Tue 25 Mar 14

richt says...

grizzly-bear wrote:
First off, I'm glad we are keeping the service, thumbs up to YB for that. I'd be interested to know what time the last one will be arriving in Burton in the evening, and also the bus between 8 and 9am with the current 'school' service being a complete joke. Also in the spring/summer the last 3 buses have all been packed with students, all paying passengers. For a couple of months I couldn't even get a seat on the last bus in. Will they put extra services on in the summer? I'm sure more people will use the bus when we have buses that actually work as opposed to temperamental old bone shakers... We sometimes have a bus that stinks of wet washing, it's always the same bus, please can YB scrap it or just clean it?! And it's no joke to be standing in the rain for 40+ minutes or driving along whilst the engine warning constantly beeps leaving you a) wondering if you'll get home before the bus actually dies and b )with a headache because apparently we can only have the worst buses YB owns. I know I'm looking forward to better buses!
I agree the current buses are terrible, and it's often a guess as to how late they turn up or if at all (sometimes they leave slightly early too though). Only good thing about them is the majority of drivers on this route being patient and helpful.
I don't understand why Mr Ambler stated that late evening buses would be cut, then someone goes back on this, and the last buses are now going to be leaving Burton and Bournemouth at 5.40pm.
Is 7pm the "new late evening"?
Doubt there will be any extra provision in the summer.
Also with the earlier times per hour, people getting kids home from Christchurch schools will miss the bus back and have to walk, meaning more lost revenue for the company! D'OH!!
[quote][p][bold]grizzly-bear[/bold] wrote: First off, I'm glad we are keeping the service, thumbs up to YB for that. I'd be interested to know what time the last one will be arriving in Burton in the evening, and also the bus between 8 and 9am with the current 'school' service being a complete joke. Also in the spring/summer the last 3 buses have all been packed with students, all paying passengers. For a couple of months I couldn't even get a seat on the last bus in. Will they put extra services on in the summer? I'm sure more people will use the bus when we have buses that actually work as opposed to temperamental old bone shakers... We sometimes have a bus that stinks of wet washing, it's always the same bus, please can YB scrap it or just clean it?! And it's no joke to be standing in the rain for 40+ minutes or driving along whilst the engine warning constantly beeps leaving you a) wondering if you'll get home before the bus actually dies and b )with a headache because apparently we can only have the worst buses YB owns. I know I'm looking forward to better buses![/p][/quote]I agree the current buses are terrible, and it's often a guess as to how late they turn up or if at all (sometimes they leave slightly early too though). Only good thing about them is the majority of drivers on this route being patient and helpful. I don't understand why Mr Ambler stated that late evening buses would be cut, then someone goes back on this, and the last buses are now going to be leaving Burton and Bournemouth at 5.40pm. Is 7pm the "new late evening"? Doubt there will be any extra provision in the summer. Also with the earlier times per hour, people getting kids home from Christchurch schools will miss the bus back and have to walk, meaning more lost revenue for the company! D'OH!! richt
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