Dementia sufferer left lying on the floor for more than three hours for ambulance to arrive after fall

Dementia sufferer left lying on the floor for more than three hours for ambulance to arrive after fall

Dementia sufferer left lying on the floor for more than three hours for ambulance to arrive after fall

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AN ELDERLY man who suffers with dementia was left lying on the floor of his home for more than three hours waiting for help.

Roy Harvell, 80, fell just after 7pm on January 21 – but was left waiting until around 10.30pm.

Wife Cynthia, who cares for her husband single-handedly, called the NHS 111 number as she cannot lift Mr Harvell alone, and was told that a South Western Ambulance Service vehicle was on its way.

The 82-year-old said: “My husband isn’t able to control his bladder, and so he wet himself on the floor.

“We have been having some problems with the boiler, and it was very cold for him to be lying there for three hours.

“All I could do for him was cover him with blankets and put a cushion underneath his elbow, which is where he fell. I put a hot water bottle next to him too, but it was awful not to be able to help him.”

Mr and Mrs Harvell, who have been married for more than 20 years, live in Branksome.

“The ambulance that arrived to help came from Swanage,” said Mrs Harvell.

“I just couldn’t understand why it took so long to get here. A nice lady helped Roy to get up again, and because he is very strong, he didn’t need to go into the hospital. But if he had been frail, it could have been different.”

Mr Harvell was diagnosed with Parkinson’s and dementia seven years ago, and often falls over.

He is currently waiting to be allocated with sheltered accommodation by the Borough of Poole.

His wife said: “I feel shocked, disgusting and extremely upset about the way in which we were treated.”

Her daughter Elaine Ingram, who lives nearby, said: “My mother and stepfather worked all of their lives and paid their taxes.

“Now, when they need help most, they have been abandoned. It is very distressing. Everything has become a fight for them.”

No one was available for comment from South West Ambulance.

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7:03am Tue 25 Feb 14

chunk_vanman says...

... And???
The ambulance service is pushed to its very limits day in and day out. As the article says, they came from Swanage ... So they were exhausting every resource to get to you!!
Incidents are prioritised and you were prioritised to be able to wait. Those people having heart attacks, strokes, cardiac arrests ... They may need the fun bus slightly quicker than you.
The wife was there to watch over and would have been advised to "re-call if his condition deteriorates" in which case he would be re-prioritised!!
Stop moaning and be glad you get an ambulance at all!!
Non story attention seeker.
... And??? The ambulance service is pushed to its very limits day in and day out. As the article says, they came from Swanage ... So they were exhausting every resource to get to you!! Incidents are prioritised and you were prioritised to be able to wait. Those people having heart attacks, strokes, cardiac arrests ... They may need the fun bus slightly quicker than you. The wife was there to watch over and would have been advised to "re-call if his condition deteriorates" in which case he would be re-prioritised!! Stop moaning and be glad you get an ambulance at all!! Non story attention seeker. chunk_vanman
  • Score: 38

7:14am Tue 25 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

With a bit of planning some police cars could double as basic ambulances .
With a bit of planning some police cars could double as basic ambulances . kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -2

7:16am Tue 25 Feb 14

Baysider says...

Not quite the words I would have used above but I agree with the sentiment. The facts are he falls regularly so may already be known to the ambulance service but is in good physical shape and was unharmed in any way after this incident. Yes, I'm sure it was distressing for the lady and Mr Harvell but ultimately he was fine wasn't he.

Unless it transpires that the crew were at Castlepoint doing some shopping I too fail to see the story here...unless it's about cuts to the ambulance service which given the quote from the daughter nearby is clearly not the approach the Echo are taking. Expecting another anti-public sector tirade from the usual suspects though...
Not quite the words I would have used above but I agree with the sentiment. The facts are he falls regularly so may already be known to the ambulance service but is in good physical shape and was unharmed in any way after this incident. Yes, I'm sure it was distressing for the lady and Mr Harvell but ultimately he was fine wasn't he. Unless it transpires that the crew were at Castlepoint doing some shopping I too fail to see the story here...unless it's about cuts to the ambulance service which given the quote from the daughter nearby is clearly not the approach the Echo are taking. Expecting another anti-public sector tirade from the usual suspects though... Baysider
  • Score: 32

7:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

Phixer says...

You didn't ring the emergency number so took your place in the queue for non-priority help. The fact that you didn't need to go to hospital speaks volumes.

The fact that you have paid taxes all your life is not an excuse to treat the NHS as a private care service.
You didn't ring the emergency number so took your place in the queue for non-priority help. The fact that you didn't need to go to hospital speaks volumes. The fact that you have paid taxes all your life is not an excuse to treat the NHS as a private care service. Phixer
  • Score: 28

7:31am Tue 25 Feb 14

Phixer says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
With a bit of planning some police cars could double as basic ambulances .
In civilised - sic - parts of the world, fire-fighters act as paramedics. Saves them being bored playing pool all day/night.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: With a bit of planning some police cars could double as basic ambulances .[/p][/quote]In civilised - sic - parts of the world, fire-fighters act as paramedics. Saves them being bored playing pool all day/night. Phixer
  • Score: 6

7:50am Tue 25 Feb 14

Hickery says...

It takes a minimum of two ambulance staff to assist a patient up from the floor. Therefore an ambulance, which is operated by two staff, would be required. Our ambulance services have chosen to operate more rapid response cars, which are operated by one staff member, than ambulances. Because of this, patients with non-threatening health conditions have to wait a while for assistance. No doubt had this been a fall resulting in an injury (for example, a broken hip), then a paramedic on a car may have been sent to care for the patient in the meantime. When will we, the public, learn that our ambulance service is for LIFE THREATENING CONDITIONS first and foremost - unfortunately our taxes do not properly resource the service to also handle these types non-injury or illness in a timely fashion.
It takes a minimum of two ambulance staff to assist a patient up from the floor. Therefore an ambulance, which is operated by two staff, would be required. Our ambulance services have chosen to operate more rapid response cars, which are operated by one staff member, than ambulances. Because of this, patients with non-threatening health conditions have to wait a while for assistance. No doubt had this been a fall resulting in an injury (for example, a broken hip), then a paramedic on a car may have been sent to care for the patient in the meantime. When will we, the public, learn that our ambulance service is for LIFE THREATENING CONDITIONS first and foremost - unfortunately our taxes do not properly resource the service to also handle these types non-injury or illness in a timely fashion. Hickery
  • Score: 29

8:00am Tue 25 Feb 14

High Treason says...

Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.
Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks. High Treason
  • Score: 3

8:02am Tue 25 Feb 14

we-shall-see says...

Why could the daughter who lives nearby have popped round to help her father off the floor? Or even a neighbour?

If he falls regularly, perhaps his wife should encourage him to sit down more often until they can get into sheltered accommodation? Failing that, if they can afford it, hire a private nurse or home carer to be on hand from time to time.

We all have to make sacrifices these days and ambulances are needed most by those whose life is at risk - it is NOT a baby-sitting service :o//
Why could the daughter who lives nearby have popped round to help her father off the floor? Or even a neighbour? If he falls regularly, perhaps his wife should encourage him to sit down more often until they can get into sheltered accommodation? Failing that, if they can afford it, hire a private nurse or home carer to be on hand from time to time. We all have to make sacrifices these days and ambulances are needed most by those whose life is at risk - it is NOT a baby-sitting service :o// we-shall-see
  • Score: 27

8:04am Tue 25 Feb 14

djd says...

I'm sorry but I don't see the story.the ambulance service is an emergency service and like other posters have said, this was not an emergency. there must be hundreds of stories like this every day.
Some of the other posters would seem to have connection with the ambulance service and good on them for putting forward what life really is.
Perhaps this lady can find some way to blame the ambulance service for her boiler not working correctly. The answer there is her hands, if the gentlemen is so reliant on others, the boiler should be fixed.
Another Echo non-story.
I'm sorry but I don't see the story.the ambulance service is an emergency service and like other posters have said, this was not an emergency. there must be hundreds of stories like this every day. Some of the other posters would seem to have connection with the ambulance service and good on them for putting forward what life really is. Perhaps this lady can find some way to blame the ambulance service for her boiler not working correctly. The answer there is her hands, if the gentlemen is so reliant on others, the boiler should be fixed. Another Echo non-story. djd
  • Score: 22

8:04am Tue 25 Feb 14

we-shall-see says...

High Treason wrote:
Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.
At 7pm in the evening? Perhaps later in the evening, but I think 7pm is a little early for the regular booze fuelled fights etc to be breaking out :o/
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.[/p][/quote]At 7pm in the evening? Perhaps later in the evening, but I think 7pm is a little early for the regular booze fuelled fights etc to be breaking out :o/ we-shall-see
  • Score: 0

8:47am Tue 25 Feb 14

pete woodley says...

Is their no sympathy for the elderly and infirm,it seems there are a lot of people who dont think it could happen to them,disgusting attitudes.
Is their no sympathy for the elderly and infirm,it seems there are a lot of people who dont think it could happen to them,disgusting attitudes. pete woodley
  • Score: -25

9:05am Tue 25 Feb 14

Hickery says...

pete woodley wrote:
Is their no sympathy for the elderly and infirm,it seems there are a lot of people who dont think it could happen to them,disgusting attitudes.
I doubt that anyone would wish for this gentleman, or anyone else, to have to lie on a hard floor for 3.5 hours. He certainly has my sympathy regarding what must have been a very uncomfortable experience. And I wouldn't wish dementia on anyone either. But unless there is a substantial investment in our ambulance services in order to put more ambulances on the road (as well as, or instead of, single-manned cars) then these types of non-critical patients will continue to wait for hours for the help that they need. Perhaps the Echo could find out and publish an article on the number of ambulances that are actually on duty to cover the Bournemouth and/or Poole conurbation at night...?
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Is their no sympathy for the elderly and infirm,it seems there are a lot of people who dont think it could happen to them,disgusting attitudes.[/p][/quote]I doubt that anyone would wish for this gentleman, or anyone else, to have to lie on a hard floor for 3.5 hours. He certainly has my sympathy regarding what must have been a very uncomfortable experience. And I wouldn't wish dementia on anyone either. But unless there is a substantial investment in our ambulance services in order to put more ambulances on the road (as well as, or instead of, single-manned cars) then these types of non-critical patients will continue to wait for hours for the help that they need. Perhaps the Echo could find out and publish an article on the number of ambulances that are actually on duty to cover the Bournemouth and/or Poole conurbation at night...? Hickery
  • Score: 25

9:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

nickynoodah says...

...Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks...
The rest are at MacDonnell's dealing with the junk food
...Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks... The rest are at MacDonnell's dealing with the junk food nickynoodah
  • Score: -20

9:26am Tue 25 Feb 14

Hessenford says...

nickynoodah wrote:
...Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks...
The rest are at MacDonnell's dealing with the junk food
The drunks should be left to fend for themselves, if they want to go and get rat faced every night that's their problem, their the people who over stretch the emergency services.
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: ...Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks... The rest are at MacDonnell's dealing with the junk food[/p][/quote]The drunks should be left to fend for themselves, if they want to go and get rat faced every night that's their problem, their the people who over stretch the emergency services. Hessenford
  • Score: 12

9:29am Tue 25 Feb 14

Lord Spring says...

we-shall-see wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.
At 7pm in the evening? Perhaps later in the evening, but I think 7pm is a little early for the regular booze fuelled fights etc to be breaking out :o/
There again they could be tied up at the Hospital attempting to offload their last call that is where the majority of time is spent.
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.[/p][/quote]At 7pm in the evening? Perhaps later in the evening, but I think 7pm is a little early for the regular booze fuelled fights etc to be breaking out :o/[/p][/quote]There again they could be tied up at the Hospital attempting to offload their last call that is where the majority of time is spent. Lord Spring
  • Score: 11

10:20am Tue 25 Feb 14

babyface 1 says...

By reporting this to the Echo getting farther up the housing list springs to mind!!...999 wasnt called so this was deemed as a non emergency...Like someone else said if the daughter lived near why wasnt she called to help get the gentleman up? I know if my parents needed me I would be there like a shot...Although it must have been very distressing for the lady and gentleman involved I cant understand if he is always falling down who helps him up the other times?? the gentleman was not injured and that for me is the main thing...
By reporting this to the Echo getting farther up the housing list springs to mind!!...999 wasnt called so this was deemed as a non emergency...Like someone else said if the daughter lived near why wasnt she called to help get the gentleman up? I know if my parents needed me I would be there like a shot...Although it must have been very distressing for the lady and gentleman involved I cant understand if he is always falling down who helps him up the other times?? the gentleman was not injured and that for me is the main thing... babyface 1
  • Score: 12

11:19am Tue 25 Feb 14

afcb-mark says...

Don't they have Care Line or carers to assist them. I also would have thought the first call would be to the daughter who live local to them, not the emergency services unless of course she thought her husband was seriously injured.
Don't they have Care Line or carers to assist them. I also would have thought the first call would be to the daughter who live local to them, not the emergency services unless of course she thought her husband was seriously injured. afcb-mark
  • Score: 11

11:25am Tue 25 Feb 14

Shazzanewcott says...

chunk_vanman wrote:
... And???
The ambulance service is pushed to its very limits day in and day out. As the article says, they came from Swanage ... So they were exhausting every resource to get to you!!
Incidents are prioritised and you were prioritised to be able to wait. Those people having heart attacks, strokes, cardiac arrests ... They may need the fun bus slightly quicker than you.
The wife was there to watch over and would have been advised to "re-call if his condition deteriorates" in which case he would be re-prioritised!!
Stop moaning and be glad you get an ambulance at all!!
Non story attention seeker.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]chunk_vanman[/bold] wrote: ... And??? The ambulance service is pushed to its very limits day in and day out. As the article says, they came from Swanage ... So they were exhausting every resource to get to you!! Incidents are prioritised and you were prioritised to be able to wait. Those people having heart attacks, strokes, cardiac arrests ... They may need the fun bus slightly quicker than you. The wife was there to watch over and would have been advised to "re-call if his condition deteriorates" in which case he would be re-prioritised!! Stop moaning and be glad you get an ambulance at all!! Non story attention seeker.[/p][/quote]Well said Shazzanewcott
  • Score: 3

11:30am Tue 25 Feb 14

Abc1970 says...

afcb-mark wrote:
Don't they have Care Line or carers to assist them. I also would have thought the first call would be to the daughter who live local to them, not the emergency services unless of course she thought her husband was seriously injured.
Despite the advertising pitch, all Careline do is call 999, they are a call centre, not an assistance provider!

Just think, when Cameron, Clegg, Hunt and the rest get their way and privatise the NHS, INCLUDING the emergency ambulance service, a crew might be along much quicker to pick people up off the floor, the drawback is that there will be a £500 bill to go with it, it sure won't be free and somebody will have to pay it.

While I feel sorry for this poor chap, I do think that ambulances are right to prioritise more serious cases over things like this. He had his wife there, blankets, hot water bottle, access to food and water etc.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: Don't they have Care Line or carers to assist them. I also would have thought the first call would be to the daughter who live local to them, not the emergency services unless of course she thought her husband was seriously injured.[/p][/quote]Despite the advertising pitch, all Careline do is call 999, they are a call centre, not an assistance provider! Just think, when Cameron, Clegg, Hunt and the rest get their way and privatise the NHS, INCLUDING the emergency ambulance service, a crew might be along much quicker to pick people up off the floor, the drawback is that there will be a £500 bill to go with it, it sure won't be free and somebody will have to pay it. While I feel sorry for this poor chap, I do think that ambulances are right to prioritise more serious cases over things like this. He had his wife there, blankets, hot water bottle, access to food and water etc. Abc1970
  • Score: 13

11:41am Tue 25 Feb 14

Takingdogforawalk says...

The problem is the 999 boys and girls are used as a lifting service, taking resources away from REAL emergencies. Paramedics don't just turn up, pick up and go to the next job. Certain criteria needs to be met, and paperwork completed for EVERY job.

As the already stretched crews spend more time lifting the elderly up off the floor or " going round to check them over " people will have to wait!!
Dorset is Gods waiting room, nobody takes responsibility for their own families. What happened 20 years ago? Did people call an ambulance then?

People call 999 now for the most petty things, so just think when your having a major heart attack..... The paramedics are picking up the fall non injury 2 streets away and won't be able to come to you!!
The problem is the 999 boys and girls are used as a lifting service, taking resources away from REAL emergencies. Paramedics don't just turn up, pick up and go to the next job. Certain criteria needs to be met, and paperwork completed for EVERY job. As the already stretched crews spend more time lifting the elderly up off the floor or " going round to check them over " people will have to wait!! Dorset is Gods waiting room, nobody takes responsibility for their own families. What happened 20 years ago? Did people call an ambulance then? People call 999 now for the most petty things, so just think when your having a major heart attack..... The paramedics are picking up the fall non injury 2 streets away and won't be able to come to you!! Takingdogforawalk
  • Score: 19

11:44am Tue 25 Feb 14

Controversial But True says...

We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc.

Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency.........

Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession!
We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc. Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency......... Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession! Controversial But True
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Tue 25 Feb 14

royeveleigh says...

7pm... daughter lives down road... Dialed 111 ... Why didnt she call her daughter or knock on a neighbours door for help. Its not like he was seriously hurt.

Oh wait! I keep forgetting!! We live in a society where parents are abandoned by their children and the elderly are outcast. Shame on them for not having BUPA then the NHS would have been there in 2 mins.
7pm... daughter lives down road... Dialed 111 ... Why didnt she call her daughter or knock on a neighbours door for help. Its not like he was seriously hurt. Oh wait! I keep forgetting!! We live in a society where parents are abandoned by their children and the elderly are outcast. Shame on them for not having BUPA then the NHS would have been there in 2 mins. royeveleigh
  • Score: 4

1:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

gerbil112 says...

Controversial But True wrote:
We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc.

Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency.........

Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession!
Having BUPA would not get you an ambulance any quicker, they do not provide an emergency "get you off the floor" service. Incidentally, take a look at today's Daily Mail, whatever you think of the Mail, it's spot on with today's story... http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/health/articl
e-2567077/SPECIAL-IN
VESTIGATION-Dial-999
-today-ambulance-cre
w-just-six-weeks-tra
ining.html
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc. Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency......... Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession![/p][/quote]Having BUPA would not get you an ambulance any quicker, they do not provide an emergency "get you off the floor" service. Incidentally, take a look at today's Daily Mail, whatever you think of the Mail, it's spot on with today's story... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-2567077/SPECIAL-IN VESTIGATION-Dial-999 -today-ambulance-cre w-just-six-weeks-tra ining.html gerbil112
  • Score: 3

1:38pm Tue 25 Feb 14

nickynoodah says...

This gentleman needs a wife like my second one
she was a Mongolian ex wrestling champion
she would have picked him up like a baby.
This gentleman needs a wife like my second one she was a Mongolian ex wrestling champion she would have picked him up like a baby. nickynoodah
  • Score: -7

2:30pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Baysider says...

Lord Spring wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.
At 7pm in the evening? Perhaps later in the evening, but I think 7pm is a little early for the regular booze fuelled fights etc to be breaking out :o/
There again they could be tied up at the Hospital attempting to offload their last call that is where the majority of time is spent.
Ah...now there in lies a tale doesn't it. Ambulance crews are often left waiting because A&E's are full. A&E's are full because the wards are full. The wards are full because there's no where for lots of elderly people to be cared for outside of hospitals, even if they no longer really need to be in hospital. Why is there's no where for these people to go...because the government has slashed funding to councils.

People love the NHS and hate councils but the two are very closely linked in many respects.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.[/p][/quote]At 7pm in the evening? Perhaps later in the evening, but I think 7pm is a little early for the regular booze fuelled fights etc to be breaking out :o/[/p][/quote]There again they could be tied up at the Hospital attempting to offload their last call that is where the majority of time is spent.[/p][/quote]Ah...now there in lies a tale doesn't it. Ambulance crews are often left waiting because A&E's are full. A&E's are full because the wards are full. The wards are full because there's no where for lots of elderly people to be cared for outside of hospitals, even if they no longer really need to be in hospital. Why is there's no where for these people to go...because the government has slashed funding to councils. People love the NHS and hate councils but the two are very closely linked in many respects. Baysider
  • Score: 10

4:14pm Tue 25 Feb 14

julie777 says...

High Treason wrote:
Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.
at 7pm? Not many drunk by then I would think?
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Many ambulance crews are at town centres dealing with the drunks.[/p][/quote]at 7pm? Not many drunk by then I would think? julie777
  • Score: 1

4:53pm Tue 25 Feb 14

notapeopleperson says...

another mis-informed member of the public, he fell he wasn't injured, he was in a place of safety, if his wife can't lift him he should probably be in a care/nursing home. sounds mean but ambulances are for life threatening emergencies! i expect the long wait was due to crews being diverted to people actually in need of lifesaving assistance - and i strongly suspect far to many people like this rely on highly trained professionals that are our ambulance crews to attend their address and scoop them up off the floor.
another mis-informed member of the public, he fell he wasn't injured, he was in a place of safety, if his wife can't lift him he should probably be in a care/nursing home. sounds mean but ambulances are for life threatening emergencies! i expect the long wait was due to crews being diverted to people actually in need of lifesaving assistance - and i strongly suspect far to many people like this rely on highly trained professionals that are our ambulance crews to attend their address and scoop them up off the floor. notapeopleperson
  • Score: 2

5:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

biscuitbloke says...

Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift?

As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly.

Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc
Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift? As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly. Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc biscuitbloke
  • Score: 8

7:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Abc1970 says...

gerbil112 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc.

Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency.........

Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession!
Having BUPA would not get you an ambulance any quicker, they do not provide an emergency "get you off the floor" service. Incidentally, take a look at today's Daily Mail, whatever you think of the Mail, it's spot on with today's story... http://www.dailymail

.co.uk/health/articl

e-2567077/SPECIAL-IN

VESTIGATION-Dial-999

-today-ambulance-cre

w-just-six-weeks-tra

ining.html
If you think the daily Mail are 'spot on' with then then you are as mis-informed as the journalists who wrote such rubbish. The only factual part of the DM article was the date! It portrays the ambulance service to be nothing but lazy, inconsiderate, undertrained half wits, whereas in actual fact the UK ambulance service is one of the best equipped and British paramedics and other ambulance staff are among the highest trained in the world....FACT! The problem is the abuse out on an already struggling service by people not taking responsibility for themselves or their families.
[quote][p][bold]gerbil112[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc. Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency......... Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession![/p][/quote]Having BUPA would not get you an ambulance any quicker, they do not provide an emergency "get you off the floor" service. Incidentally, take a look at today's Daily Mail, whatever you think of the Mail, it's spot on with today's story... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-2567077/SPECIAL-IN VESTIGATION-Dial-999 -today-ambulance-cre w-just-six-weeks-tra ining.html[/p][/quote]If you think the daily Mail are 'spot on' with then then you are as mis-informed as the journalists who wrote such rubbish. The only factual part of the DM article was the date! It portrays the ambulance service to be nothing but lazy, inconsiderate, undertrained half wits, whereas in actual fact the UK ambulance service is one of the best equipped and British paramedics and other ambulance staff are among the highest trained in the world....FACT! The problem is the abuse out on an already struggling service by people not taking responsibility for themselves or their families. Abc1970
  • Score: 3

8:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

biscuitbloke wrote:
Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift?

As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly.

Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc
OK would you want your dad laying there while your mother just got more anxious and as cold as your dad ?
[quote][p][bold]biscuitbloke[/bold] wrote: Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift? As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly. Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc[/p][/quote]OK would you want your dad laying there while your mother just got more anxious and as cold as your dad ? kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 1

9:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

kalebmoledirt says...

nickynoodah wrote:
This gentleman needs a wife like my second one
she was a Mongolian ex wrestling champion
she would have picked him up like a baby.
Been suffering your dribble for ages ,always imagined your as giddy old dear scribbling between the Kyle show and the soaps.but now your suggesting your male or gay ? No further correspondence are necessary
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: This gentleman needs a wife like my second one she was a Mongolian ex wrestling champion she would have picked him up like a baby.[/p][/quote]Been suffering your dribble for ages ,always imagined your as giddy old dear scribbling between the Kyle show and the soaps.but now your suggesting your male or gay ? No further correspondence are necessary kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 2

11:02pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Yankee1 says...

Perhaps I can add a point of view:

I am fortunate to be able to use the services of the NHS. When I am in my US home, I use whatever provisions are available through local hospitals and my Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance, which costs me about 400 pounds a month.

If I have an accident when in the UK, I have to rely on the NHS. To date, I have had exemplary care from it, with no additional cost.

If I have an accident in the US, my insurance does not kick in until my hospital fees reach 4000 pounds, which I must first pay.

Then, any care I need must be approved before the insurance will cover it. 'Useful' in an emergency, such as a heart attack.

The US policy will grant me a private room, but the NHS grants me peace of mind.

Nothing is perfect; you have to accept what you get.

But the NHS is ultimately for you. Private health insurance is for the share holder.

Complain through the usual channel, but for goodness sakes be glad you have what you have!
Perhaps I can add a point of view: I am fortunate to be able to use the services of the NHS. When I am in my US home, I use whatever provisions are available through local hospitals and my Blue Cross Blue Shield insurance, which costs me about 400 pounds a month. If I have an accident when in the UK, I have to rely on the NHS. To date, I have had exemplary care from it, with no additional cost. If I have an accident in the US, my insurance does not kick in until my hospital fees reach 4000 pounds, which I must first pay. Then, any care I need must be approved before the insurance will cover it. 'Useful' in an emergency, such as a heart attack. The US policy will grant me a private room, but the NHS grants me peace of mind. Nothing is perfect; you have to accept what you get. But the NHS is ultimately for you. Private health insurance is for the share holder. Complain through the usual channel, but for goodness sakes be glad you have what you have! Yankee1
  • Score: 4

1:48am Wed 26 Feb 14

chunk_vanman says...

nickynoodah wrote:
This gentleman needs a wife like my second one
she was a Mongolian ex wrestling champion
she would have picked him up like a baby.
Bet I can guess who wore the trousers!!
[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote: This gentleman needs a wife like my second one she was a Mongolian ex wrestling champion she would have picked him up like a baby.[/p][/quote]Bet I can guess who wore the trousers!! chunk_vanman
  • Score: 1

1:53am Wed 26 Feb 14

chunk_vanman says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
biscuitbloke wrote:
Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift?

As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly.

Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc
OK would you want your dad laying there while your mother just got more anxious and as cold as your dad ?
If my dad wad laying there ... I would expect a call from mum ... I would head straight round LIKE A GOOD SON SHOULD, check him over and if he is obviously uninjured, help him up. If hes injured, only then 999 and then the injury could be fully explained. Even then its probably not life threatening, so understanding, blankets and TLC until help arrives! Then, A GRATEFUL PERSON TO MEET THEM NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TOOK!!!
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biscuitbloke[/bold] wrote: Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift? As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly. Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc[/p][/quote]OK would you want your dad laying there while your mother just got more anxious and as cold as your dad ?[/p][/quote]If my dad wad laying there ... I would expect a call from mum ... I would head straight round LIKE A GOOD SON SHOULD, check him over and if he is obviously uninjured, help him up. If hes injured, only then 999 and then the injury could be fully explained. Even then its probably not life threatening, so understanding, blankets and TLC until help arrives! Then, A GRATEFUL PERSON TO MEET THEM NO MATTER HOW LONG IT TOOK!!! chunk_vanman
  • Score: 1

4:08am Wed 26 Feb 14

justsayithowitis says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
biscuitbloke wrote:
Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift?

As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly.

Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc
OK would you want your dad laying there while your mother just got more anxious and as cold as your dad ?
I don't know why you think that their boiler not working should be taken into account. They know there is a problem with it so should get it sorted. It has been stated that the man falls over regularly so they should have set up family and neighbours to help or he should go into a care home. His wife obviously can't cope with the needs of her husband or with anything that goes wrong in the home
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]biscuitbloke[/bold] wrote: Why or Why is a non injury fall the responsibility of the ambulance service?Does the gentlemen have a family neighbours or friends that could of helped with a simple lift? As a paramedic I see this sort of abuse by the public day in and day out. If the gentlemen is so frail and falls frequently he should be in a nursing home where he can be looked after correctly. Paramedics, techs and ECAs are trained to deal with life threating events if we a picking up non injured patients then who is dealing with the stroke, cardiac arrests, RTC etc[/p][/quote]OK would you want your dad laying there while your mother just got more anxious and as cold as your dad ?[/p][/quote]I don't know why you think that their boiler not working should be taken into account. They know there is a problem with it so should get it sorted. It has been stated that the man falls over regularly so they should have set up family and neighbours to help or he should go into a care home. His wife obviously can't cope with the needs of her husband or with anything that goes wrong in the home justsayithowitis
  • Score: -1

10:51am Wed 26 Feb 14

gerbil112 says...

Abc1970 wrote:
gerbil112 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc.

Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency.........

Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession!
Having BUPA would not get you an ambulance any quicker, they do not provide an emergency "get you off the floor" service. Incidentally, take a look at today's Daily Mail, whatever you think of the Mail, it's spot on with today's story... http://www.dailymail


.co.uk/health/articl


e-2567077/SPECIAL-IN


VESTIGATION-Dial-999


-today-ambulance-cre


w-just-six-weeks-tra


ining.html
If you think the daily Mail are 'spot on' with then then you are as mis-informed as the journalists who wrote such rubbish. The only factual part of the DM article was the date! It portrays the ambulance service to be nothing but lazy, inconsiderate, undertrained half wits, whereas in actual fact the UK ambulance service is one of the best equipped and British paramedics and other ambulance staff are among the highest trained in the world....FACT! The problem is the abuse out on an already struggling service by people not taking responsibility for themselves or their families.
Are you saying the Daily Mail made up their story? Despite quotes and figures from Ambulance Trusts to back up their story? If you don't believe it, go and ask your local Ambulance Service or any of the fine men and women that work the front-line. It is not the fault of the crews, they are working to (and often beyond) their limits. I agree wholeheartedly with you complementary comments about the ambulance service but until more investment is made (by Government) into the type of resources being sent to emergencies, the Trusts have no option but to use whatever means they can to "stop the clock" in order to meet targets. They need to save money (ECA's instead of Technicians) and sometimes when two ECA's are crewed together, they can be used to attend life-threatening emergencies. They are trained and equipped to sustain life until a Paramedic can get to them.
[quote][p][bold]Abc1970[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gerbil112[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: We need one our elderly Conservative MPs to suffer the same traumatic experience and then they'll realise that they are single-handedly crippling our NHS with these massive cuts. But then, they can rely on private healthcare, that no doubt WE pay for, along with their second homes, cars, etc. Then there's the cuts to police, armed forces, environment agency......... Obviously it was the last government's fault - they must have started the worldwide recession![/p][/quote]Having BUPA would not get you an ambulance any quicker, they do not provide an emergency "get you off the floor" service. Incidentally, take a look at today's Daily Mail, whatever you think of the Mail, it's spot on with today's story... http://www.dailymail .co.uk/health/articl e-2567077/SPECIAL-IN VESTIGATION-Dial-999 -today-ambulance-cre w-just-six-weeks-tra ining.html[/p][/quote]If you think the daily Mail are 'spot on' with then then you are as mis-informed as the journalists who wrote such rubbish. The only factual part of the DM article was the date! It portrays the ambulance service to be nothing but lazy, inconsiderate, undertrained half wits, whereas in actual fact the UK ambulance service is one of the best equipped and British paramedics and other ambulance staff are among the highest trained in the world....FACT! The problem is the abuse out on an already struggling service by people not taking responsibility for themselves or their families.[/p][/quote]Are you saying the Daily Mail made up their story? Despite quotes and figures from Ambulance Trusts to back up their story? If you don't believe it, go and ask your local Ambulance Service or any of the fine men and women that work the front-line. It is not the fault of the crews, they are working to (and often beyond) their limits. I agree wholeheartedly with you complementary comments about the ambulance service but until more investment is made (by Government) into the type of resources being sent to emergencies, the Trusts have no option but to use whatever means they can to "stop the clock" in order to meet targets. They need to save money (ECA's instead of Technicians) and sometimes when two ECA's are crewed together, they can be used to attend life-threatening emergencies. They are trained and equipped to sustain life until a Paramedic can get to them. gerbil112
  • Score: 2

12:20pm Thu 27 Feb 14

rjh0692 says...

I am the granddaughter and to answer to all your comments my grandmother does not call us when things like this happen. As she only has daughters who are all 50+ none of us are able to pick my grandfather from the floor. Most of my family do not live locally. I myself am not able to care for my grandparents as I have a 5 month old baby. Before I had my baby I was a carer and to the person who said he should have a carer, what would that help, he would still have falls and carers are not allowed to pick people up. Besides even if me and my family was to pick him up we might hurt ourselves and my grandad as he is heavy and we are not 'trained' like a paramedic to pick people up! Do not judge my grandparents, the point they were trying to get across is that is not acceptable for an elderly man to lay on the floor for that amount of time. For the person who said he should sit down more often, he only gets up to move from his chair to his bedroom or to use the toilet! Okay in this instance my grandfather was not hurt but next time he might break a hip or hit his head - which he has in the past!
I am the granddaughter and to answer to all your comments my grandmother does not call us when things like this happen. As she only has daughters who are all 50+ none of us are able to pick my grandfather from the floor. Most of my family do not live locally. I myself am not able to care for my grandparents as I have a 5 month old baby. Before I had my baby I was a carer and to the person who said he should have a carer, what would that help, he would still have falls and carers are not allowed to pick people up. Besides even if me and my family was to pick him up we might hurt ourselves and my grandad as he is heavy and we are not 'trained' like a paramedic to pick people up! Do not judge my grandparents, the point they were trying to get across is that is not acceptable for an elderly man to lay on the floor for that amount of time. For the person who said he should sit down more often, he only gets up to move from his chair to his bedroom or to use the toilet! Okay in this instance my grandfather was not hurt but next time he might break a hip or hit his head - which he has in the past! rjh0692
  • Score: 0

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