Bournemouth council recommends tax reduction to freeze bills for fourth year running

Bournemouth Echo: Bournemouth council recommends tax reduction to freeze bills for fourth year running Bournemouth council recommends tax reduction to freeze bills for fourth year running

BOURNEMOUTH council’s cabinet has recommended a small reduction in council tax, which will mean frozen bills for the fourth year running.

Cabinet members agreed to support a 0.4 per cent reduction in the council’s share of the council tax, which will absorb increases by Dorset Police and Dorset Fire.

Adult social care and children’s social care will account for 64 per cent of the council’s budget in 2014/15, while extra investment will also be put into tackling anti-social behaviour, fixing potholes and helping businesses weather the economic downturn.

Capital funds will also be made available for improving Pier Approach and creating a town centre bus hub, while work on converting Boscombe bedsits into flats will continue. The budget and council tax proposals will now go to full council next Tuesday.

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7:26am Thu 20 Feb 14

Baysider says...

There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it. Baysider
  • Score: -5

7:54am Thu 20 Feb 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 3

8:52am Thu 20 Feb 14

Baysider says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?
There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example?

Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?[/p][/quote]There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example? Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO. Baysider
  • Score: -4

8:53am Thu 20 Feb 14

Glashen says...

Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them. Glashen
  • Score: 7

9:17am Thu 20 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

Why not make the anti socials fix the potholes?
Why not make the anti socials fix the potholes? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 5

9:33am Thu 20 Feb 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Baysider wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?
There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example?

Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.
Do you mean 'have a day off OF slating local authorities' or do you mean 'have a day off TO slate local authorities'? I could spend a whole year off doing the latter!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?[/p][/quote]There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example? Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.[/p][/quote]Do you mean 'have a day off OF slating local authorities' or do you mean 'have a day off TO slate local authorities'? I could spend a whole year off doing the latter! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 2

9:50am Thu 20 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

Glashen wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.
Why change, their voted the best newspaper in London and the south don't you know :-D
[quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.[/p][/quote]Why change, their voted the best newspaper in London and the south don't you know :-D BarrHumbug
  • Score: -1

10:22am Thu 20 Feb 14

BmthNewshound says...

I know its not a popular thing to say but I can't help but think that a reduction in council tax bills now, although popular with voters, will result in pain further down the line. Beesley's sums just don't add up, what happens when the Councils reserves run out, which at the rate Beesley is splashing the cash can't be that far off.
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At the end of the day Council services have to be paid and by reducing the Council Tax there will be less money to spend on vital services. If Adult social care and children's services are using 64% of a reducing budget that must mean that other budgets are being cut elsewhere.
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It seems that once again that rather than publishing a balanced story the Echo has produced yet another piece of Beesley approved propaganda.
I know its not a popular thing to say but I can't help but think that a reduction in council tax bills now, although popular with voters, will result in pain further down the line. Beesley's sums just don't add up, what happens when the Councils reserves run out, which at the rate Beesley is splashing the cash can't be that far off. . At the end of the day Council services have to be paid and by reducing the Council Tax there will be less money to spend on vital services. If Adult social care and children's services are using 64% of a reducing budget that must mean that other budgets are being cut elsewhere. . It seems that once again that rather than publishing a balanced story the Echo has produced yet another piece of Beesley approved propaganda. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 1

10:43am Thu 20 Feb 14

John T says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Glashen wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.
Why change, their voted the best newspaper in London and the south don't you know :-D
I believe that THEIR looking for people at the Echo with YOUR knowledge of English grammar to ensure that they maintain their standards! :)
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.[/p][/quote]Why change, their voted the best newspaper in London and the south don't you know :-D[/p][/quote]I believe that THEIR looking for people at the Echo with YOUR knowledge of English grammar to ensure that they maintain their standards! :) John T
  • Score: -3

11:33am Thu 20 Feb 14

muscliffman says...

However the Council tax figures are dressed up according to the Taxpayers Alliance and other reputable sources at least 20% (approx. £1 in every £5) of all our Council Tax is being used to fund employer pension contributions - NOT to provide any public services.

It's nice having to pay for other people's pensions when it means you cannot afford one of your own!
However the Council tax figures are dressed up according to the Taxpayers Alliance and other reputable sources at least 20% (approx. £1 in every £5) of all our Council Tax is being used to fund employer pension contributions - NOT to provide any public services. It's nice having to pay for other people's pensions when it means you cannot afford one of your own! muscliffman
  • Score: 4

11:36am Thu 20 Feb 14

Baysider says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?
There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example?

Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.
Do you mean 'have a day off OF slating local authorities' or do you mean 'have a day off TO slate local authorities'? I could spend a whole year off doing the latter!
I think that you and many others HAVE in fact spent the last several years slating LA's haven't you.

Shame that you so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the huge amount of fantastic work done by so many people for your benefit but hey, ho when Mouchel take over the whole authority and you get a lot less for your council tax I sure you'll be really pleased and won't say a word against them.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?[/p][/quote]There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example? Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.[/p][/quote]Do you mean 'have a day off OF slating local authorities' or do you mean 'have a day off TO slate local authorities'? I could spend a whole year off doing the latter![/p][/quote]I think that you and many others HAVE in fact spent the last several years slating LA's haven't you. Shame that you so stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the huge amount of fantastic work done by so many people for your benefit but hey, ho when Mouchel take over the whole authority and you get a lot less for your council tax I sure you'll be really pleased and won't say a word against them. Baysider
  • Score: -6

12:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

John T wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
Glashen wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.
Why change, their voted the best newspaper in London and the south don't you know :-D
I believe that THEIR looking for people at the Echo with YOUR knowledge of English grammar to ensure that they maintain their standards! :)
Oh no, I won't sleep tonight now knowing that i've been collared by the grammar police :(
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Glashen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]If you check the council's press release it says "“Next year, the amount Bournemouth spends on Adults’ and Children’s social care will rise again, to 64% of the Council’s entire budget" I suspect this is the correct statement since it makes more sense than that in the report, I do think the Echo have to improve their fact checking, at present they seem to be relying on their readers to check their facts for them.[/p][/quote]Why change, their voted the best newspaper in London and the south don't you know :-D[/p][/quote]I believe that THEIR looking for people at the Echo with YOUR knowledge of English grammar to ensure that they maintain their standards! :)[/p][/quote]Oh no, I won't sleep tonight now knowing that i've been collared by the grammar police :( BarrHumbug
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Thu 20 Feb 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
I think you should remember that Council Tax doubled under the previous Labour Government and we got SFA in return – so there must be plenty of scope for cost savings without cuts to services. Just look at the waste ... Surf Reef, Imax, Bank of Bournemouth and countless failed town centre projects, all money which could have been spent on providing front line services! As for the education budget, I may have it wrong but I believe the Government funds this direct now.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]I think you should remember that Council Tax doubled under the previous Labour Government and we got SFA in return – so there must be plenty of scope for cost savings without cuts to services. Just look at the waste ... Surf Reef, Imax, Bank of Bournemouth and countless failed town centre projects, all money which could have been spent on providing front line services! As for the education budget, I may have it wrong but I believe the Government funds this direct now. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 3

1:15pm Thu 20 Feb 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

muscliffman wrote:
However the Council tax figures are dressed up according to the Taxpayers Alliance and other reputable sources at least 20% (approx. £1 in every £5) of all our Council Tax is being used to fund employer pension contributions - NOT to provide any public services.

It's nice having to pay for other people's pensions when it means you cannot afford one of your own!
Spot on ,,,,, and why should the jobsworth who drives the camera car get an gold plated index linked pension! We are being ripped off!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: However the Council tax figures are dressed up according to the Taxpayers Alliance and other reputable sources at least 20% (approx. £1 in every £5) of all our Council Tax is being used to fund employer pension contributions - NOT to provide any public services. It's nice having to pay for other people's pensions when it means you cannot afford one of your own![/p][/quote]Spot on ,,,,, and why should the jobsworth who drives the camera car get an gold plated index linked pension! We are being ripped off! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Thu 20 Feb 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
I think you should remember that Council Tax doubled under the previous Labour Government and we got SFA in return – so there must be plenty of scope for cost savings without cuts to services. Just look at the waste ... Surf Reef, Imax, Bank of Bournemouth and countless failed town centre projects, all money which could have been spent on providing front line services! As for the education budget, I may have it wrong but I believe the Government funds this direct now.
Besides doubling council tax Labour also wrecked private sector pensions............
...to pay for a million extra in the public sector!
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]I think you should remember that Council Tax doubled under the previous Labour Government and we got SFA in return – so there must be plenty of scope for cost savings without cuts to services. Just look at the waste ... Surf Reef, Imax, Bank of Bournemouth and countless failed town centre projects, all money which could have been spent on providing front line services! As for the education budget, I may have it wrong but I believe the Government funds this direct now.[/p][/quote]Besides doubling council tax Labour also wrecked private sector pensions............ ...to pay for a million extra in the public sector! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 1

2:39pm Thu 20 Feb 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Baysider wrote:
The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
Baysider wrote:
There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.
Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?
There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example?

Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.
Does anyone know what the ratio is of desk jockeys to front line staff, 3 to 1....5 to 1?
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: There you go. Adult social care get nearly 2/3's of the whole budget leaving not much for the rest, which includes education and childrens social services. Some of our more frequent council bashers might want to remember that next time they launch into a rant because their street has a pot hole in it.[/p][/quote]Is it as clear cut as that? How much of that 64% pays for frontline staff and how much for desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers?[/p][/quote]There you go again. Maybe without your (imaginary) army of desk jockeys at Jobsworth Towers those who deal directly with the public would not be able to do their job properly? Or do you think it's a good use of a fully trained mental health worker to spend all their time dealing with admin instead of people for example? Why not have a day off slating local authorities for once and think about that statistic. Out of the remaining third of your council tax the authority has to educate and keep our children safe and healthy, house our poor, maintain our roads, parks and beaches, take away our rubbish, promote our towns and a 1000 other things. In the scheme of things they could do a lot worse IMO.[/p][/quote]Does anyone know what the ratio is of desk jockeys to front line staff, 3 to 1....5 to 1? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Thu 20 Feb 14

hypnojoo says...

Obviously nobody likes increased tax!
But the way the Councilare affording this is by cutting the terms and conditions of their frontline staff AND their lowest-paid staff (carers, emergency response teams, bin men, etc).
While management pay, of course, remains the same.
Obviously nobody likes increased tax! But the way the Councilare affording this is by cutting the terms and conditions of their frontline staff AND their lowest-paid staff (carers, emergency response teams, bin men, etc). While management pay, of course, remains the same. hypnojoo
  • Score: 10

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