Demolishing the Pavilion would be 'sacrilege' - deputy mayor blasts controversial suggestions made by Dave Wells

Bournemouth Echo: THE ‘JEWEL IN BOURNEMOUTH’S CROWN’: The Pavilion building THE ‘JEWEL IN BOURNEMOUTH’S CROWN’: The Pavilion building

DEMOLISHING Bournemouth Pavilion would be “sacrilege” according to the deputy mayor in response to controversial suggestions as to how the town should be developed.

The idea to transform the town hall into a hotel was also met with disapproval from Cllr Phil Stanley-Watts who hailed the building as “Bournemouth’s jewel in the crown”.

He dismissed a number of the suggestions put forward by Dave Wells who decided to speak out after it was announced he would be taking a back seat at DWP Housing Partnership.

Cllr Stanley-Watts said: “The Pavilion is a listed building and a beautiful landmark which has been there for a long time.

“It plays host to wonderful shows and a spectacular summer season. It would be absolute sacrilege to demolish that building and I really disagree with that suggestion put forward by Dave Wells.”

Dave Wells, who is the founder of Dorset’s biggest private lettings company, praised Cllr Beesley for pulling the plug on Trevor Osborne’s Pavilion Gardens plans and said the council should at some point consider demolishing the Pavilion.

Cllr Stanley-Watts also disagreed with Mr Wells’ idea to turn the town hall into a hotel, instead suggesting it should be opened up for the public.

He said: “I wish a lot more people could see inside the town hall as it has such an interesting history and even has its own ghosts.

“I think people should be encouraged to come and have a look around and attend open meetings.

“I would definitely encourage the idea to have tours round the building and the catering facilities should be improved.”

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12:14pm Wed 29 Jan 14

bournemouth lover says...

Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did
Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did bournemouth lover

12:38pm Wed 29 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

bournemouth lover wrote:
Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did
I think you are misunderstanding the point here, no Councillor (to my knowledge) has suggested pulling down the Pavilion, one of our more colourful local businessmen has.

Although I did hear that following new information advising that over 275 studio flats could be incorporated into the current Pavilion building even that suggestion might well be under urgent review!
[quote][p][bold]bournemouth lover[/bold] wrote: Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did[/p][/quote]I think you are misunderstanding the point here, no Councillor (to my knowledge) has suggested pulling down the Pavilion, one of our more colourful local businessmen has. Although I did hear that following new information advising that over 275 studio flats could be incorporated into the current Pavilion building even that suggestion might well be under urgent review! muscliffman

12:44pm Wed 29 Jan 14

MW Bournemouth says...

Finally a councillor who's talking sense about the last remaining historic buildings in the town centre.
As "Bournemouth lover" commented there is nowhere to go when visiting Bournemouth. All the more need to get a permanent ice rink back in the town, not only for the residents but the tourists too.
Finally a councillor who's talking sense about the last remaining historic buildings in the town centre. As "Bournemouth lover" commented there is nowhere to go when visiting Bournemouth. All the more need to get a permanent ice rink back in the town, not only for the residents but the tourists too. MW Bournemouth

1:00pm Wed 29 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

Why do people keep trotting out the idea of an ice rink? People aren't going to flock to the place for the sake of a single ice rink, which if it were sustainable would more than likely have been proposed by a developer by now.

What Bournemouth needs is DECENT shops, DECENT restaurants and less of the tacky S+D empire, people shoving leaflets in your face, begging you to buy the Big Issue, and drunk students tearing the place up and leaving it festooned with litter. All we have right now is endless Tesco and similar supermarkets, overpriced coffee shops and department stores constantly having sales in desperation at ever decreasing revenue. The council has allowed the area to fester, and throwing in ever more blocks of student accommodation and the odd new hotel is not going to get the place to prosper. You only need to see how long some of the shops are empty for to see that there is a huge problem in the area - and it's the council and local landlords. If you wanted to rent the shop on Old Christchurch Road that was formerly Burton and Dorothy Perkins (empty more than two years), according to an article in this paper the rent and rates are over £300K a year!
Why do people keep trotting out the idea of an ice rink? People aren't going to flock to the place for the sake of a single ice rink, which if it were sustainable would more than likely have been proposed by a developer by now. What Bournemouth needs is DECENT shops, DECENT restaurants and less of the tacky S+D empire, people shoving leaflets in your face, begging you to buy the Big Issue, and drunk students tearing the place up and leaving it festooned with litter. All we have right now is endless Tesco and similar supermarkets, overpriced coffee shops and department stores constantly having sales in desperation at ever decreasing revenue. The council has allowed the area to fester, and throwing in ever more blocks of student accommodation and the odd new hotel is not going to get the place to prosper. You only need to see how long some of the shops are empty for to see that there is a huge problem in the area - and it's the council and local landlords. If you wanted to rent the shop on Old Christchurch Road that was formerly Burton and Dorothy Perkins (empty more than two years), according to an article in this paper the rent and rates are over £300K a year! speedy231278

1:05pm Wed 29 Jan 14

madras says...

I wouldn't necessarily oppose idea of turning town hall into an hotel as long as the price was right - relocate town hall departments elsewhere into a more efficient building and if part of properly thought out plan for the town centre the new hotel could be a pleasant walk through gardens to main attractions and through to the sea front
I wouldn't necessarily oppose idea of turning town hall into an hotel as long as the price was right - relocate town hall departments elsewhere into a more efficient building and if part of properly thought out plan for the town centre the new hotel could be a pleasant walk through gardens to main attractions and through to the sea front madras

1:23pm Wed 29 Jan 14

BmthNewshound says...

I suppose the underlying question is whether the Pavilion fulfils its role as the towns primary arts venue. If the answer is yes then all well and good, if the answer is no it doesn't make sense to keep it and spend money patching it up simply for sentimental reasons.
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Like so many counclllors Stanley-Watts lives in the past and sees the town through rose tinted spectacles. It doesn't matter how much he and others dream of recreating Bournemouth's hey day as the South Coasts premier resort that simply isn't going to happen.
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Bournemouth needs to move on and reinvent itself and if that means replacing outdated buildings then so be it.
I suppose the underlying question is whether the Pavilion fulfils its role as the towns primary arts venue. If the answer is yes then all well and good, if the answer is no it doesn't make sense to keep it and spend money patching it up simply for sentimental reasons. . Like so many counclllors Stanley-Watts lives in the past and sees the town through rose tinted spectacles. It doesn't matter how much he and others dream of recreating Bournemouth's hey day as the South Coasts premier resort that simply isn't going to happen. . Bournemouth needs to move on and reinvent itself and if that means replacing outdated buildings then so be it. BmthNewshound

1:51pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Branksome Boy says...

muscliffman wrote:
bournemouth lover wrote:
Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did
I think you are misunderstanding the point here, no Councillor (to my knowledge) has suggested pulling down the Pavilion, one of our more colourful local businessmen has.

Although I did hear that following new information advising that over 275 studio flats could be incorporated into the current Pavilion building even that suggestion might well be under urgent review!
Studio flats ? Don't you mean rabbit hutches?
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bournemouth lover[/bold] wrote: Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did[/p][/quote]I think you are misunderstanding the point here, no Councillor (to my knowledge) has suggested pulling down the Pavilion, one of our more colourful local businessmen has. Although I did hear that following new information advising that over 275 studio flats could be incorporated into the current Pavilion building even that suggestion might well be under urgent review![/p][/quote]Studio flats ? Don't you mean rabbit hutches? Branksome Boy

2:28pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Vikki27 says...

Why do so many people STILL insist that the only way to 'improve' an area is to tear down its history!?

Good on the councillor for standing firm against getting rid of the Pavillion. We already had to say a tearful farewell to the Winter Gardens, let's not do the same to one of the few beautiful buildings that are left.
Why do so many people STILL insist that the only way to 'improve' an area is to tear down its history!? Good on the councillor for standing firm against getting rid of the Pavillion. We already had to say a tearful farewell to the Winter Gardens, let's not do the same to one of the few beautiful buildings that are left. Vikki27

3:23pm Wed 29 Jan 14

The Archer says...

why don't these muppets learn, Dave Wells is only after exposure and notoriety, tearing down the Pavillion is never going to happen. Oh wait a minute, I forgot what idiots we have on Bournemouth Council, SHUT UP DAVE!!
why don't these muppets learn, Dave Wells is only after exposure and notoriety, tearing down the Pavillion is never going to happen. Oh wait a minute, I forgot what idiots we have on Bournemouth Council, SHUT UP DAVE!! The Archer

3:46pm Wed 29 Jan 14

pete woodley says...

Why the hell does dave need any more publicity,he does not,but anonymous people like you,have to add your childish comments,which most normal people ignore.
Why the hell does dave need any more publicity,he does not,but anonymous people like you,have to add your childish comments,which most normal people ignore. pete woodley

3:58pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Tig says...

I don't really understand why the Echo bothered publishing Dave Wells' comments in the first place? I can't imagine the public cares what he thinks, it's completely irrelevant to us. More to the point, why did Cllr Stanley-Watts feel the need to make a public reply?
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I'm sure DW & co would love to tear down lots of buildings in Bournemouth and put their own properties on there, but hopefully it's not going to happen, not on this scale anyway.
I don't really understand why the Echo bothered publishing Dave Wells' comments in the first place? I can't imagine the public cares what he thinks, it's completely irrelevant to us. More to the point, why did Cllr Stanley-Watts feel the need to make a public reply? . I'm sure DW & co would love to tear down lots of buildings in Bournemouth and put their own properties on there, but hopefully it's not going to happen, not on this scale anyway. Tig

4:12pm Wed 29 Jan 14

spotthis says...

Tig wrote:
I don't really understand why the Echo bothered publishing Dave Wells' comments in the first place? I can't imagine the public cares what he thinks, it's completely irrelevant to us. More to the point, why did Cllr Stanley-Watts feel the need to make a public reply?
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I'm sure DW & co would love to tear down lots of buildings in Bournemouth and put their own properties on there, but hopefully it's not going to happen, not on this scale anyway.
I smell a rat here. I have a feeling that its no accident that Dave Wells is praising the Council, and was given Echo space to say his piece, we will see him next running for election with the Leader of the Council's blessing. As for the Pavilion, I fully expect the Leader of the Council is testing the waters via Dave Wells to see how much opposition he will get against demolishing it and no doubt when its rubble, Trevor Osborne will be said to be the perfect chappy to build there.
[quote][p][bold]Tig[/bold] wrote: I don't really understand why the Echo bothered publishing Dave Wells' comments in the first place? I can't imagine the public cares what he thinks, it's completely irrelevant to us. More to the point, why did Cllr Stanley-Watts feel the need to make a public reply? . I'm sure DW & co would love to tear down lots of buildings in Bournemouth and put their own properties on there, but hopefully it's not going to happen, not on this scale anyway.[/p][/quote]I smell a rat here. I have a feeling that its no accident that Dave Wells is praising the Council, and was given Echo space to say his piece, we will see him next running for election with the Leader of the Council's blessing. As for the Pavilion, I fully expect the Leader of the Council is testing the waters via Dave Wells to see how much opposition he will get against demolishing it and no doubt when its rubble, Trevor Osborne will be said to be the perfect chappy to build there. spotthis

4:26pm Wed 29 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

Branksome Boy wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
bournemouth lover wrote:
Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did
I think you are misunderstanding the point here, no Councillor (to my knowledge) has suggested pulling down the Pavilion, one of our more colourful local businessmen has.

Although I did hear that following new information advising that over 275 studio flats could be incorporated into the current Pavilion building even that suggestion might well be under urgent review!
Studio flats ? Don't you mean rabbit hutches?
'rabbit hutches'? Of course I didn't want to suggest anything that large.
[quote][p][bold]Branksome Boy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bournemouth lover[/bold] wrote: Being a regular visitor to your town I despair at your Councillors. I am coming to the conclusion that they are not interested in encouraging visitors. There are enough hotels in the town no good having somewhere to stay but nowhere to go. We make a point of going to the Pavilion not only in the evening but also daytime events. A grave mistake if it disappears as the Winter Gardens did[/p][/quote]I think you are misunderstanding the point here, no Councillor (to my knowledge) has suggested pulling down the Pavilion, one of our more colourful local businessmen has. Although I did hear that following new information advising that over 275 studio flats could be incorporated into the current Pavilion building even that suggestion might well be under urgent review![/p][/quote]Studio flats ? Don't you mean rabbit hutches?[/p][/quote]'rabbit hutches'? Of course I didn't want to suggest anything that large. muscliffman

4:31pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Baywolf says...

Building the IMAX and now planning to build a Green Turd is sacrilege ..the town centre needs more shops not cafés cinemas or bars it needs shops it needs an ice rink it needs a bus terminal but what it really needs is a council with a wider imagination and a council that listens to the electorate..after putting up with the shambles of a town centre for over 10 years where shoppers visitors have to take their lives in their hands crossing between busses on the move when not blocked in..you would think a bus terminal would be of importance.
Building the IMAX and now planning to build a Green Turd is sacrilege ..the town centre needs more shops not cafés cinemas or bars it needs shops it needs an ice rink it needs a bus terminal but what it really needs is a council with a wider imagination and a council that listens to the electorate..after putting up with the shambles of a town centre for over 10 years where shoppers visitors have to take their lives in their hands crossing between busses on the move when not blocked in..you would think a bus terminal would be of importance. Baywolf

5:45pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Phixer says...

madras wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily oppose idea of turning town hall into an hotel as long as the price was right - relocate town hall departments elsewhere into a more efficient building and if part of properly thought out plan for the town centre the new hotel could be a pleasant walk through gardens to main attractions and through to the sea front
The council could move into the Imax - oh, too late!

It's certainly too nice a location for its current purpose.
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't necessarily oppose idea of turning town hall into an hotel as long as the price was right - relocate town hall departments elsewhere into a more efficient building and if part of properly thought out plan for the town centre the new hotel could be a pleasant walk through gardens to main attractions and through to the sea front[/p][/quote]The council could move into the Imax - oh, too late! It's certainly too nice a location for its current purpose. Phixer

5:51pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Phixer says...

“I think people should be encouraged to come and have a look around and attend open meetings."

Not much chance of open meetings with Cllr Beastly in charge.
“I think people should be encouraged to come and have a look around and attend open meetings." Not much chance of open meetings with Cllr Beastly in charge. Phixer

6:58pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

Vikki27 wrote:
Why do so many people STILL insist that the only way to 'improve' an area is to tear down its history!?

Good on the councillor for standing firm against getting rid of the Pavillion. We already had to say a tearful farewell to the Winter Gardens, let's not do the same to one of the few beautiful buildings that are left.
Thats why Bournemouth is slowly disappearing down the toilet, its heritage and history has been torn down and replaced with modern trash.
[quote][p][bold]Vikki27[/bold] wrote: Why do so many people STILL insist that the only way to 'improve' an area is to tear down its history!? Good on the councillor for standing firm against getting rid of the Pavillion. We already had to say a tearful farewell to the Winter Gardens, let's not do the same to one of the few beautiful buildings that are left.[/p][/quote]Thats why Bournemouth is slowly disappearing down the toilet, its heritage and history has been torn down and replaced with modern trash. Hessenford

10:04pm Wed 29 Jan 14

BOURNE RED says...

The pavilion is dated, today it's not needed with the BIC a bus station there is better then the suggested car park but even better the winter gardens car park would be closer enough to the beach and town and out of view cause who wants to see a load of buses in one place. Not me!
The pavilion is dated, today it's not needed with the BIC a bus station there is better then the suggested car park but even better the winter gardens car park would be closer enough to the beach and town and out of view cause who wants to see a load of buses in one place. Not me! BOURNE RED

11:36pm Wed 29 Jan 14

politicaltrainspotter says...

Well done Phil for speaking out and i support you totally.For once a councillor and a gentleman with a heart of gold who stands toe to toe against Dave Wells.

Even though Dave Wells has taken a back seat in the running of DWPHousing, he can also take a back seat in the development of Bournemouth.

Since the late 1960's when Mr Wells had his car sales,he has been nothing but cancer to this town.Just look who destroyed Boscombe ?
Well done Phil for speaking out and i support you totally.For once a councillor and a gentleman with a heart of gold who stands toe to toe against Dave Wells. Even though Dave Wells has taken a back seat in the running of DWPHousing, he can also take a back seat in the development of Bournemouth. Since the late 1960's when Mr Wells had his car sales,he has been nothing but cancer to this town.Just look who destroyed Boscombe ? politicaltrainspotter

7:41am Thu 30 Jan 14

Gastines3 says...

Please don't involve any of the former usedArchitects, Urban Designers or Builders in any future schemes.The whole area from Westover Road to the Sea front needs a complete re-design and rebuild. The town is now full of tat and decent quality retailers obviously have no wish to take on any premises in the town. Promises about a makeover of Westover Road were promised some time ago but we still wait for any improvement.Virtuall
y every building in the entire area lacks any maintenance,even down to a mop and bucket or a coat of paint. Failure to do one decent job for the last 30-40 years has seen the steady decline of the town and it's facilities.Various Councils constantly bicker with any developer who wants to invest any money in the town instead of getting the bigger investment companies together to get their views or schemes on board. The town is sinking and unless something is done to halt the further decline of it's outdated facilities,there won't be any visitors or locals willing to part with any cash.Why would anyone in their right mind make a trip to the town over Christmas to look at a load of tat in some wooden sheds??? An example of quality that the town offers??
Please don't involve any of the former usedArchitects, Urban Designers or Builders in any future schemes.The whole area from Westover Road to the Sea front needs a complete re-design and rebuild. The town is now full of tat and decent quality retailers obviously have no wish to take on any premises in the town. Promises about a makeover of Westover Road were promised some time ago but we still wait for any improvement.Virtuall y every building in the entire area lacks any maintenance,even down to a mop and bucket or a coat of paint. Failure to do one decent job for the last 30-40 years has seen the steady decline of the town and it's facilities.Various Councils constantly bicker with any developer who wants to invest any money in the town instead of getting the bigger investment companies together to get their views or schemes on board. The town is sinking and unless something is done to halt the further decline of it's outdated facilities,there won't be any visitors or locals willing to part with any cash.Why would anyone in their right mind make a trip to the town over Christmas to look at a load of tat in some wooden sheds??? An example of quality that the town offers?? Gastines3

9:54am Thu 30 Jan 14

H2o-hara says...

Well done for Councillor Stanley-Watts for speaking out on this subject . The Pavilion is a listed building and if it's looking ' tired ' as D.Wells puts it, then give it the necessary face lift rather than demolish . The building celebrated its 80th birthday about 3 years ago and has given out some of the most famous performers since it's existence . It's iconic and is a landmark of retro style Bournemouth , sparkling on Summer evenings with it's lit up forefront and fountain . But to destroy it and put something else there . ' Only I dunno what ! ' was D.Well's words . ' And that it's gunna hurt ! But so what ! ' Was his following remark . Quite clearly stating that he doesn't care about others and that there are about 250,000 people living here and around besides him .
Well done for Councillor Stanley-Watts for speaking out on this subject . The Pavilion is a listed building and if it's looking ' tired ' as D.Wells puts it, then give it the necessary face lift rather than demolish . The building celebrated its 80th birthday about 3 years ago and has given out some of the most famous performers since it's existence . It's iconic and is a landmark of retro style Bournemouth , sparkling on Summer evenings with it's lit up forefront and fountain . But to destroy it and put something else there . ' Only I dunno what ! ' was D.Well's words . ' And that it's gunna hurt ! But so what ! ' Was his following remark . Quite clearly stating that he doesn't care about others and that there are about 250,000 people living here and around besides him . H2o-hara

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