Police bid for more cash faces opposition

Bournemouth Echo: Police bid for more cash faces opposition Police bid for more cash faces opposition

ANGRY councillors could veto a planned rise in the money being asked for to fund Dorset’s police service.

Police and Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill has gone public with his proposals for a 1.95 per cent increase in the police’s part of the council tax bill.

Mr Underhill said the increase – the equivalent of a 7p weekly increase for a Band D household – would enable him to recruit more officers and invest in new technology. He said it would allow him to set a “challenging but achievable” budget.

But Cllr David Smith, a Bournemouth councillor who sits on Dorset’s Police and Crime Panel, said: “The public are seeing their own pockets squeezed and it is not right to ask local council taxpayers to fund further activities that should be delivered from within existing police budgets.

“On behalf of Bournemouth, I will not be supporting this proposed increase and would urge representatives of other local authorities to exercise their veto too.”

Meanwhile the chairman of the panel said that although the final decision on increasing the police precept will be Mr Underhill’s, the panel would be meeting in January to scrutinise his plans and see whether there were any other areas where savings could be made.

“He gave an indication he was going to ask for it but it has to go through scrutiny in January,” he said. “There’s still quite a few questions that need answering before we have a chance to comment on it. We need to make sure there’s no other avenue we can look at to economise further. Residents have now been alerted to what they could have to pay and we’re hoping that there might be ways that we can avoid this.”

Details of the precept proposals are open for public consultation until the end of January.

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12:10pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Townee says...

We pay enough tax to this government to cover the police. They need to realise that we are giving far to much money to other countries and need to think of their own people first.
Wages have not gone up but still we are forced to pay for useless councillors and a crime commissioner. Perhaps we need to look at getting them out to save money.
We pay enough tax to this government to cover the police. They need to realise that we are giving far to much money to other countries and need to think of their own people first. Wages have not gone up but still we are forced to pay for useless councillors and a crime commissioner. Perhaps we need to look at getting them out to save money. Townee

12:31pm Sat 21 Dec 13

politicaltrainspotter says...

Two side here.Cllr Smith, Conservative member states that 'The public are seeing their own pockets squeezed.' But cllr Smith, it is your party along with your coalition party that is putting the squeeze on the public pocket.' And you should be telling your Conservative MP's that .Its no use getting a 'squeaky backside' as 2015 draws closer.

As for Mr Underhill.It may of been a good slogan to ' keep politics out of policing' but politics have always been instrumental before your appointment as PCC.The reality is that despite this puesdo independence it is still the political parties pulling your strings.And your looking at your website and the 'Transparency Section' your staff seem to have good salaries in which a constable who faces daily danger can only dream of.

I think many people would like to see the return of the Chief Constable with an executive team of senior officers who set the budget, policies and strategies and that we don't need a dupilcate tier of bureaucracy.There are too many noses being dipped in the trough and the tax payer has had enough filling it.
Two side here.Cllr Smith, Conservative member states that 'The public are seeing their own pockets squeezed.' But cllr Smith, it is your party along with your coalition party that is putting the squeeze on the public pocket.' And you should be telling your Conservative MP's that .Its no use getting a 'squeaky backside' as 2015 draws closer. As for Mr Underhill.It may of been a good slogan to ' keep politics out of policing' but politics have always been instrumental before your appointment as PCC.The reality is that despite this puesdo independence it is still the political parties pulling your strings.And your looking at your website and the 'Transparency Section' your staff seem to have good salaries in which a constable who faces daily danger can only dream of. I think many people would like to see the return of the Chief Constable with an executive team of senior officers who set the budget, policies and strategies and that we don't need a dupilcate tier of bureaucracy.There are too many noses being dipped in the trough and the tax payer has had enough filling it. politicaltrainspotter

1:26pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Tictock says...

Get shot of this PCC non-productive costly extra level of expensive administrative burden on all police forces.
Get shot of this PCC non-productive costly extra level of expensive administrative burden on all police forces. Tictock

1:53pm Sat 21 Dec 13

fireflier says...

So Underhill wants us to fund his pet project just so he can claim...'Look what I have done!!!!'

We pay enough tax to Central and local Governement already, Thanks
So Underhill wants us to fund his pet project just so he can claim...'Look what I have done!!!!' We pay enough tax to Central and local Governement already, Thanks fireflier

2:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

rayc says...

The new financial year starts in 4 months time and they have yet to sort the budget out. That tells a lot about why it is a shambles.
Remove the link between Police funding and notional values of property that are completely outdated. Fund the Police from general taxation and severe the link between the Police and local politicians.
Mr Underhill is lucky that he can set an increase, which council tax payers have no option to pay despite having their income stagnating.
The new financial year starts in 4 months time and they have yet to sort the budget out. That tells a lot about why it is a shambles. Remove the link between Police funding and notional values of property that are completely outdated. Fund the Police from general taxation and severe the link between the Police and local politicians. Mr Underhill is lucky that he can set an increase, which council tax payers have no option to pay despite having their income stagnating. rayc

3:38pm Sat 21 Dec 13

live-and-let-live says...

if the police farce stopped wasting money they would have more than enough.
if the police farce stopped wasting money they would have more than enough. live-and-let-live

9:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dr Strangelove says...

politicaltrainspotte
r
wrote:
Two side here.Cllr Smith, Conservative member states that 'The public are seeing their own pockets squeezed.' But cllr Smith, it is your party along with your coalition party that is putting the squeeze on the public pocket.' And you should be telling your Conservative MP's that .Its no use getting a 'squeaky backside' as 2015 draws closer.

As for Mr Underhill.It may of been a good slogan to ' keep politics out of policing' but politics have always been instrumental before your appointment as PCC.The reality is that despite this puesdo independence it is still the political parties pulling your strings.And your looking at your website and the 'Transparency Section' your staff seem to have good salaries in which a constable who faces daily danger can only dream of.

I think many people would like to see the return of the Chief Constable with an executive team of senior officers who set the budget, policies and strategies and that we don't need a dupilcate tier of bureaucracy.There are too many noses being dipped in the trough and the tax payer has had enough filling it.
Yep the gov are trying to inflate the housing market as a bribe to buy votes. The price for this is lost jobs, imported inflation and the younger generation disenfranchised from home ownership and society, but then there is no such thing as society.
[quote][p][bold]politicaltrainspotte r[/bold] wrote: Two side here.Cllr Smith, Conservative member states that 'The public are seeing their own pockets squeezed.' But cllr Smith, it is your party along with your coalition party that is putting the squeeze on the public pocket.' And you should be telling your Conservative MP's that .Its no use getting a 'squeaky backside' as 2015 draws closer. As for Mr Underhill.It may of been a good slogan to ' keep politics out of policing' but politics have always been instrumental before your appointment as PCC.The reality is that despite this puesdo independence it is still the political parties pulling your strings.And your looking at your website and the 'Transparency Section' your staff seem to have good salaries in which a constable who faces daily danger can only dream of. I think many people would like to see the return of the Chief Constable with an executive team of senior officers who set the budget, policies and strategies and that we don't need a dupilcate tier of bureaucracy.There are too many noses being dipped in the trough and the tax payer has had enough filling it.[/p][/quote]Yep the gov are trying to inflate the housing market as a bribe to buy votes. The price for this is lost jobs, imported inflation and the younger generation disenfranchised from home ownership and society, but then there is no such thing as society. Dr Strangelove

12:12am Sun 22 Dec 13

black_rat says...

I don't tend to agree with any authors here but politicaltrainspotte
r hits the nail on the head.
The wages at the PCC's Office are in cuckoo land - the chief exec earns more than the PCC...call me syndical but could this be the excuse to increase the PCC's wage next year !
Seeing the scandles round the country and PCC's, are we confident ours isn't evading tax (for a company car/fuel) and are the expenses accurate ?
I would love to be paid to go to the House of Lords to see how the whole systems works but can't afford to - our PCC did last month and we paid for the trip and hotel !!!,
I don't tend to agree with any authors here but politicaltrainspotte r hits the nail on the head. The wages at the PCC's Office are in cuckoo land - the chief exec earns more than the PCC...call me syndical but could this be the excuse to increase the PCC's wage next year ! Seeing the scandles round the country and PCC's, are we confident ours isn't evading tax (for a company car/fuel) and are the expenses accurate ? I would love to be paid to go to the House of Lords to see how the whole systems works but can't afford to - our PCC did last month and we paid for the trip and hotel !!!, black_rat

8:49am Sun 22 Dec 13

Teddy 1 says...

I suggest the pcc looks at the figures across policing and looks for himself where savings can be made. Talk to the teams, not just listen to senior officers and department heads who are clueless. Get rid of any old dinasaurs and recruit people who know about business. The force needs to realise the different skillset from police officers and running a mulitmillion pund 'organisation/busine
ss'. A mate of mine works there and told me about how they have been 'at risk' if losing their jobs since 2010...with a 1970s style dinosaur head if department ruling the place by fear and changing the organisation structure monthly to create more fear and chaos (poised now to leave) now is that a healthy working environment designed to get the most from staff? I think not!
I suggest the pcc looks at the figures across policing and looks for himself where savings can be made. Talk to the teams, not just listen to senior officers and department heads who are clueless. Get rid of any old dinasaurs and recruit people who know about business. The force needs to realise the different skillset from police officers and running a mulitmillion pund 'organisation/busine ss'. A mate of mine works there and told me about how they have been 'at risk' if losing their jobs since 2010...with a 1970s style dinosaur head if department ruling the place by fear and changing the organisation structure monthly to create more fear and chaos (poised now to leave) now is that a healthy working environment designed to get the most from staff? I think not! Teddy 1

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