Jailed: Cyclist who mowed down nine-year-old Leila Crofts given 12 month sentence

Bournemouth Echo: Philip Benwell Philip Benwell

A CYCLIST who ignored a red signal and mowed down a nine-year-old girl was jailed for 12 months today.

According to witnesses, Philip Benwell was cycling "erratically and very fast" as he approached the crossing at Branksome Beach where he collided with Leila Crofts on July 26 this year, causing her a fractured skull and a bleed in the brain.

Bournemouth Crown Court heard that the 38-year-old, from Crescent Road in Bournemouth, veered into the opposite lane as he approached the lights, colliding with Leila as she was crossing to the beach with her au pair.

Jailing him for 12 months, Judge Peter Johnson said:  "Miss Canibano (the au pair) was blameless, Leila was blameless.

"You are the only one who is to blame.

"This was an incredibly selfish criminal act.

"You took a serious risk in order to save a few seconds on your journey.

"Having struck her you callously picked up the bike and continued on your journey, leaving her lying unconscious in the road.

"This fractured her skull and shattered her family's life in one instant."

Prosecutor Carolyn Branford-Wood said Benwell was riding a nearly brand new road racer bike at the time of the collision.

The court heard that Leila was in intensive care at Southampton General Hospital for 14 days after the crash, and she still suffers from problems with her vision and memory.

In mitigation, Brian Sharman read a report from a probation officer, who said of Benwell: "He shows an incredible degree of remorse.

"I have never interviewed anyone so sincerely remorseful for their wrong doing, whose concern is so focused on the victim rather than themselves."

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12:42pm Thu 19 Dec 13

MrEdge says...

If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law. MrEdge

12:50pm Thu 19 Dec 13

skydriver says...

Good sentence this will give him time to reflect, on his stupidity,
Good sentence this will give him time to reflect, on his stupidity, skydriver

12:56pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Marty Caine UKIP says...

If he really did pick up is bike and rode off, leaving the child unconscious on the side of the road he should have got 12 years not 12 months!
If he really did pick up is bike and rode off, leaving the child unconscious on the side of the road he should have got 12 years not 12 months! Marty Caine UKIP

12:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Huey says...

The whole story is really tragic and has tainted the life of all involved for nothing.
The whole story is really tragic and has tainted the life of all involved for nothing. Huey

12:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

saynomore says...

So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note. saynomore

1:00pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Poole Pirate says...

So justice is done and hopefully Leila Crofts will continue to make a full recovery. To all the anti-cyclists out there, please don't use this extremely rare occurence to tarnish the reputation of the majority of respectful and considerate law-abiding cyclists and further fuel your dislike of us. Wishing all road-users a happy, safe and considerate New Year !.
So justice is done and hopefully Leila Crofts will continue to make a full recovery. To all the anti-cyclists out there, please don't use this extremely rare occurence to tarnish the reputation of the majority of respectful and considerate law-abiding cyclists and further fuel your dislike of us. Wishing all road-users a happy, safe and considerate New Year !. Poole Pirate

1:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing. jobsworthwatch

1:21pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Poole Pirate says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
Take note that your obvious dislike of all cyclists has, in your tiny mind, been somewhat justified !. Just as well the cycling community doesn't have such a narrow-minded view of all motorists.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]Take note that your obvious dislike of all cyclists has, in your tiny mind, been somewhat justified !. Just as well the cycling community doesn't have such a narrow-minded view of all motorists. Poole Pirate

1:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

fedupwithjobsworths says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.” fedupwithjobsworths

1:27pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him. jobsworthwatch

1:46pm Thu 19 Dec 13

foggy1965 says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them. foggy1965

1:49pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Franks Tank says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
Ooooo, a year 10 level of alliteration there coupled with a casual playground insult.
Really doing yourself justice.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]Ooooo, a year 10 level of alliteration there coupled with a casual playground insult. Really doing yourself justice. Franks Tank

1:59pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Franks Tank says...

foggy1965 wrote:
saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.
Also in the news today:-
A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown.
A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry.
Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights.

Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?
[quote][p][bold]foggy1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.[/p][/quote]Also in the news today:- A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown. A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry. Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights. Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while? Franks Tank

2:16pm Thu 19 Dec 13

cynicist says...

Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed. cynicist

2:28pm Thu 19 Dec 13

retry69 says...

cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
[quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person retry69

2:47pm Thu 19 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

retry69 wrote:
cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say.

I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away.

I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person[/p][/quote]Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say. I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away. I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue. muscliffman

2:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

FNS-man says...

http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/94
70538.Student_admits
_blame_for_cyclist__
_s_road_death/

Compare and contrast. A driver who mows down and kills a cyclist because he keeps on driving when dazzled by the sun. Here he has killed someone through an act much more reckless than that of the cyclist. And he is spared jail. There are dozens of other similar cases where a motorist kills a cyclist and is spared jail.

I thoroughly agree that this cyclist's sentence. It does throw the treatment of motorists by the courts into serious question.
http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/94 70538.Student_admits _blame_for_cyclist__ _s_road_death/ Compare and contrast. A driver who mows down and kills a cyclist because he keeps on driving when dazzled by the sun. Here he has killed someone through an act much more reckless than that of the cyclist. And he is spared jail. There are dozens of other similar cases where a motorist kills a cyclist and is spared jail. I thoroughly agree that this cyclist's sentence. It does throw the treatment of motorists by the courts into serious question. FNS-man

2:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

retry69 says...

muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say.

I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away.

I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.
Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person[/p][/quote]Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say. I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away. I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.[/p][/quote]Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :) retry69

3:31pm Thu 19 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say.

I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away.

I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.
Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)
As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts!
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person[/p][/quote]Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say. I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away. I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.[/p][/quote]Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)[/p][/quote]As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts! muscliffman

3:40pm Thu 19 Dec 13

notw78 says...

Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ? notw78

3:49pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Franks Tank says...

notw78 wrote:
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
It’s true. Some countries have had bicycle registration and license schemes. Japan still does (all bicycles sold in Japan are registered with the local government as an anti-theft measure).
In Switzerland, until recently it was compulsory to have a CHF-5-10 ‘Velo Vignette’ (bike sticker) ‘license’. However, in March 2010, the Swiss parliament started to debate whether to abolish the licenses, and then did. Political bean counters said the costs of the scheme far outstripped the revenue.
Lots of countries used to have bike badge registration schemes: from Argentina to the Seychelles. The schemes were discontinued for the same reason dog licenses were discontinued in the UK: administration of the schemes, such as the bicycle licensing by-law in Toronto (created in 1935, ditched in 1957 and suggested but rejected in 1984, 1992 and 1996), always costs way more than the income.
In July 2011, councilor Monette of Ottawa asked the City Operations team to evaluate whether it would be worth creating a bicycle licensing scheme. In January 2012, the answer came back "no".
The City Operations team said:- Given limited benefits and significant challenges, and primarily based on the fact that bicycle licensing would act as a significant barrier to cycling, it is recommended that bicycle licensing not be implemented in the City of Ottawa
Despite having the most cyclists in Europe, neither the Netherlands nor Denmark have bicycle licensing schemes.

You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? Germany during the 1940's!.
[quote][p][bold]notw78[/bold] wrote: Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?[/p][/quote]It’s true. Some countries have had bicycle registration and license schemes. Japan still does (all bicycles sold in Japan are registered with the local government as an anti-theft measure). In Switzerland, until recently it was compulsory to have a CHF-5-10 ‘Velo Vignette’ (bike sticker) ‘license’. However, in March 2010, the Swiss parliament started to debate whether to abolish the licenses, and then did. Political bean counters said the costs of the scheme far outstripped the revenue. Lots of countries used to have bike badge registration schemes: from Argentina to the Seychelles. The schemes were discontinued for the same reason dog licenses were discontinued in the UK: administration of the schemes, such as the bicycle licensing by-law in Toronto (created in 1935, ditched in 1957 and suggested but rejected in 1984, 1992 and 1996), always costs way more than the income. In July 2011, councilor Monette of Ottawa asked the City Operations team to evaluate whether it would be worth creating a bicycle licensing scheme. In January 2012, the answer came back "no". The City Operations team said:- Given limited benefits and significant challenges, and primarily based on the fact that bicycle licensing would act as a significant barrier to cycling, it is recommended that bicycle licensing not be implemented in the City of Ottawa Despite having the most cyclists in Europe, neither the Netherlands nor Denmark have bicycle licensing schemes. You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? Germany during the 1940's!. Franks Tank

3:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Franks Tank says...

notw78 wrote:
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
This time last week a gentleman was killed by a hit and run driver and not long ago there was a hit and run by the BIC.
Compulsory registration and insurance of motor vehicle didn't prevent these incidents happening did they?.
[quote][p][bold]notw78[/bold] wrote: Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?[/p][/quote]This time last week a gentleman was killed by a hit and run driver and not long ago there was a hit and run by the BIC. Compulsory registration and insurance of motor vehicle didn't prevent these incidents happening did they?. Franks Tank

4:05pm Thu 19 Dec 13

retry69 says...

muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say.

I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away.

I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.
Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)
As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts!
Im not quite sure what to make off you continuous arrogance you show towards other comments and in what capacity allows you to determine what is usefully discussed on these threads, I used to put it down to you being involved in the political areas but now im not so sure perhaps its just you.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person[/p][/quote]Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say. I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away. I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.[/p][/quote]Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)[/p][/quote]As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts![/p][/quote]Im not quite sure what to make off you continuous arrogance you show towards other comments and in what capacity allows you to determine what is usefully discussed on these threads, I used to put it down to you being involved in the political areas but now im not so sure perhaps its just you. retry69

4:29pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Valerie W. says...

Unfortunately, cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth. There are various 'hotspots' (Bournemouth Square, Wimborne Road and many others). As a pedestrian, I often feel in danger. Most people play the game but there are a lot of idiots out there as well who hurtle at you hoping you'll move, or creep up behind you and push past. Having rules and counting on people's goodwill is great, but it isn't enough. The hotspots need to be policed and sanctions imposed against those who display complete disregard for others' safety. Only by example will the problem begin to diminish.
Unfortunately, cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth. There are various 'hotspots' (Bournemouth Square, Wimborne Road and many others). As a pedestrian, I often feel in danger. Most people play the game but there are a lot of idiots out there as well who hurtle at you hoping you'll move, or creep up behind you and push past. Having rules and counting on people's goodwill is great, but it isn't enough. The hotspots need to be policed and sanctions imposed against those who display complete disregard for others' safety. Only by example will the problem begin to diminish. Valerie W.

4:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Diesel Dog says...

Please can we have a police clampdown in the new year, after the drink drive campaign Targeting cyclists with no lights, Newsagents letting their employed delivery cyclists out with no lights or high vis jackets.cyclists riding on pavements and generally aggressive behaviour.
Cycling in a group of 20- 30 without a gap between each cyclist especially on the road between Studland Ferry and Corfe Castle or in the New Forrest is an example of the selfish behaviour which needs to be addressed.
Please can we have a police clampdown in the new year, after the drink drive campaign Targeting cyclists with no lights, Newsagents letting their employed delivery cyclists out with no lights or high vis jackets.cyclists riding on pavements and generally aggressive behaviour. Cycling in a group of 20- 30 without a gap between each cyclist especially on the road between Studland Ferry and Corfe Castle or in the New Forrest is an example of the selfish behaviour which needs to be addressed. Diesel Dog

4:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say.

I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away.

I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.
Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)
As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts!
Im not quite sure what to make off you continuous arrogance you show towards other comments and in what capacity allows you to determine what is usefully discussed on these threads, I used to put it down to you being involved in the political areas but now im not so sure perhaps its just you.
Coming on here to air a personal opinion on an article is what these threads are for, it is certainly not arrogant for anyone to do it. But I believe it is a lot simpler if posters do not use it to divert at some length to a quite unrelated topic - that is not meant as an arrogant 'instruction' it is just my humble view, absolutely nothing else.

Perhaps in future a little less personal in your rather confused responses please - if you don't mind.

3,2,1............
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person[/p][/quote]Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say. I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away. I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.[/p][/quote]Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)[/p][/quote]As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts![/p][/quote]Im not quite sure what to make off you continuous arrogance you show towards other comments and in what capacity allows you to determine what is usefully discussed on these threads, I used to put it down to you being involved in the political areas but now im not so sure perhaps its just you.[/p][/quote]Coming on here to air a personal opinion on an article is what these threads are for, it is certainly not arrogant for anyone to do it. But I believe it is a lot simpler if posters do not use it to divert at some length to a quite unrelated topic - that is not meant as an arrogant 'instruction' it is just my humble view, absolutely nothing else. Perhaps in future a little less personal in your rather confused responses please - if you don't mind. 3,2,1............ muscliffman

4:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
retry69 wrote:
cynicist wrote:
Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban.

Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.
You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person
Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say.

I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away.

I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.
Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)
As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts!
Im not quite sure what to make off you continuous arrogance you show towards other comments and in what capacity allows you to determine what is usefully discussed on these threads, I used to put it down to you being involved in the political areas but now im not so sure perhaps its just you.
Coming on here to air a personal opinion on an article is what these threads are for, it is certainly not arrogant for anyone to do it. But I believe it is a lot simpler if posters do not use it to divert at some length to a quite unrelated topic - that is not meant as an arrogant 'instruction' it is just my humble view, absolutely nothing else.

Perhaps in future a little less personal in your rather confused responses please - if you don't mind.

3,2,1............
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cynicist[/bold] wrote: Car ran me off my bike near Boscombe pier last year. He sped off but I was able to get his registration as well as some damning Cctv footage from the council. My bike was damaged and I was battered and bruised. Went to court this year and he got a six month driving ban. Personally I feel sorry for both parties, there are no winners here. But sending the guy to prison seems like a waste of taxpayers money. Is he really a danger to society? I think a few hundred hours of community service would have sufficed.[/p][/quote]You make a good point and not wanting to deviate from the seriousness of what the little girl went through by the behaviour of the cyclist it seems the justice system can allow those who have a pastime of possessing indecent images of children continue to roam among us but not someone who made a very bad error of judgement.Borrowing some of the words of a local Judge I do not see its in the public interest to jail this person[/p][/quote]Veering way off topic and talking gibberish - if I may politely say. I can agree this cyclist made an error of judgement when he rode through a red light and hit the poor girl, but it was NO error of judgement to then leave her bleeding on the ground and get back on his bike to simply ride away. I would like to believe he was imprisoned for the cruel and criminal act of running away and not for the original (if avoidable) accident. Meanwhile perhaps those quite rightly supporting cyclists could note this was a classic instance of someone on a bike yet again blatantly ignoring a red traffic light - for the cycling community there is so much work still to be done on this issue.[/p][/quote]Its not talking gibberish to allow perverts to walk away free, although as I have posted on another thread they do get their own supporters for some strange reason also the continued rudeness of some commenters,so that's two "off topics" covered in one :)[/p][/quote]As I said 'veering way off topic (end of) and talking gibberish (on the topic, end of). This is just so not a thread to be usefully discussing perverts![/p][/quote]Im not quite sure what to make off you continuous arrogance you show towards other comments and in what capacity allows you to determine what is usefully discussed on these threads, I used to put it down to you being involved in the political areas but now im not so sure perhaps its just you.[/p][/quote]Coming on here to air a personal opinion on an article is what these threads are for, it is certainly not arrogant for anyone to do it. But I believe it is a lot simpler if posters do not use it to divert at some length to a quite unrelated topic - that is not meant as an arrogant 'instruction' it is just my humble view, absolutely nothing else. Perhaps in future a little less personal in your rather confused responses please - if you don't mind. 3,2,1............ muscliffman

5:06pm Thu 19 Dec 13

rba says...

Diesel Dog wrote:
Please can we have a police clampdown in the new year, after the drink drive campaign Targeting cyclists with no lights, Newsagents letting their employed delivery cyclists out with no lights or high vis jackets.cyclists riding on pavements and generally aggressive behaviour.
Cycling in a group of 20- 30 without a gap between each cyclist especially on the road between Studland Ferry and Corfe Castle or in the New Forrest is an example of the selfish behaviour which needs to be addressed.
1st bit is a good point but I wouldnt say that cyclists in a big group is an example of selfish behaviour.
i cycle quite a lot and always abide by the laws of the road and respect pedestrians and also car drivers. when i cycle i always wear good reflective clothing and lights etc, when i am cycling off road and approaching a pedestrian i always slow down and ring my bell to let them know I am behind them . i also thank some car drivers with a wave for being patient as they overtake me. a bit of courtesy goes a long way and if more people did it then the roads would be a better place and we wouldn't be wasting our time talking about things like this.
[quote][p][bold]Diesel Dog[/bold] wrote: Please can we have a police clampdown in the new year, after the drink drive campaign Targeting cyclists with no lights, Newsagents letting their employed delivery cyclists out with no lights or high vis jackets.cyclists riding on pavements and generally aggressive behaviour. Cycling in a group of 20- 30 without a gap between each cyclist especially on the road between Studland Ferry and Corfe Castle or in the New Forrest is an example of the selfish behaviour which needs to be addressed.[/p][/quote]1st bit is a good point but I wouldnt say that cyclists in a big group is an example of selfish behaviour. i cycle quite a lot and always abide by the laws of the road and respect pedestrians and also car drivers. when i cycle i always wear good reflective clothing and lights etc, when i am cycling off road and approaching a pedestrian i always slow down and ring my bell to let them know I am behind them . i also thank some car drivers with a wave for being patient as they overtake me. a bit of courtesy goes a long way and if more people did it then the roads would be a better place and we wouldn't be wasting our time talking about things like this. rba

5:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Arthur Maureen says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
saynomore, you truly are a sad individual.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]saynomore, you truly are a sad individual. Arthur Maureen

5:18pm Thu 19 Dec 13

beachcomber1 says...

Poole Pirate wrote:
MrEdge wrote:
If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.
every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.
[quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.[/p][/quote]The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.[/p][/quote]every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit. beachcomber1

5:20pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Arthur Maureen says...

foggy1965 wrote:
saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.
saytoomuch and faggy1865 - two pathetic peas in a pod. There are good and bad with both cyclist and drivers alike as we all know...

I am a daily car driver as well as a cyclist as get hacked off with idiots jumping lights on bikes, mounting the kerb, wearing dark clothing with no lights the list goes on... I also see drivers, jumping reds, veering into cycle lanes and note that 14 cyclists have been killed on the capitals roads this year as opposed to how many pedestrians... good and bad with all, people just need to have a little more respect for one another.
[quote][p][bold]foggy1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.[/p][/quote]saytoomuch and faggy1865 - two pathetic peas in a pod. There are good and bad with both cyclist and drivers alike as we all know... I am a daily car driver as well as a cyclist as get hacked off with idiots jumping lights on bikes, mounting the kerb, wearing dark clothing with no lights the list goes on... I also see drivers, jumping reds, veering into cycle lanes and note that 14 cyclists have been killed on the capitals roads this year as opposed to how many pedestrians... good and bad with all, people just need to have a little more respect for one another. Arthur Maureen

5:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Phixer says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.[/p][/quote]He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is?? Phixer

5:23pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Arthur Maureen says...

Diesel Dog wrote:
Please can we have a police clampdown in the new year, after the drink drive campaign Targeting cyclists with no lights, Newsagents letting their employed delivery cyclists out with no lights or high vis jackets.cyclists riding on pavements and generally aggressive behaviour.
Cycling in a group of 20- 30 without a gap between each cyclist especially on the road between Studland Ferry and Corfe Castle or in the New Forrest is an example of the selfish behaviour which needs to be addressed.
The latter you refer to are rare to be in such a group and I would point out it is not against the law to cycle in groups. The former are the idiots that give responsible cyclists a bad name..
[quote][p][bold]Diesel Dog[/bold] wrote: Please can we have a police clampdown in the new year, after the drink drive campaign Targeting cyclists with no lights, Newsagents letting their employed delivery cyclists out with no lights or high vis jackets.cyclists riding on pavements and generally aggressive behaviour. Cycling in a group of 20- 30 without a gap between each cyclist especially on the road between Studland Ferry and Corfe Castle or in the New Forrest is an example of the selfish behaviour which needs to be addressed.[/p][/quote]The latter you refer to are rare to be in such a group and I would point out it is not against the law to cycle in groups. The former are the idiots that give responsible cyclists a bad name.. Arthur Maureen

5:29pm Thu 19 Dec 13

beachcomber1 says...

Valerie W. wrote:
Unfortunately, cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth. There are various 'hotspots' (Bournemouth Square, Wimborne Road and many others). As a pedestrian, I often feel in danger. Most people play the game but there are a lot of idiots out there as well who hurtle at you hoping you'll move, or creep up behind you and push past. Having rules and counting on people's goodwill is great, but it isn't enough. The hotspots need to be policed and sanctions imposed against those who display complete disregard for others' safety. Only by example will the problem begin to diminish.
A sane and balanced post! Such a rarity in these "cyclists vs the world threads".
[quote][p][bold]Valerie W.[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth. There are various 'hotspots' (Bournemouth Square, Wimborne Road and many others). As a pedestrian, I often feel in danger. Most people play the game but there are a lot of idiots out there as well who hurtle at you hoping you'll move, or creep up behind you and push past. Having rules and counting on people's goodwill is great, but it isn't enough. The hotspots need to be policed and sanctions imposed against those who display complete disregard for others' safety. Only by example will the problem begin to diminish.[/p][/quote]A sane and balanced post! Such a rarity in these "cyclists vs the world threads". beachcomber1

5:47pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

Phixer wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??
Newtons 1st law of motion........

Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

In this instance 'the external force applied' was the pedestrian that stepped out in front of him.
My point is, simple mechanics why can't you grasp the simple facts of the situation?
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.[/p][/quote]He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??[/p][/quote]Newtons 1st law of motion........ Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. In this instance 'the external force applied' was the pedestrian that stepped out in front of him. My point is, simple mechanics why can't you grasp the simple facts of the situation? jobsworthwatch

6:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mgibbs says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence. mgibbs

6:15pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

mgibbs wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.
Highway Code rule 18, which applies to all crossings, says only to cross if the traffic has stopped.
[quote][p][bold]mgibbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.[/p][/quote]Highway Code rule 18, which applies to all crossings, says only to cross if the traffic has stopped. jobsworthwatch

6:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
mgibbs wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.
Highway Code rule 18, which applies to all crossings, says only to cross if the traffic has stopped.
Wrong comment
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mgibbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.[/p][/quote]Highway Code rule 18, which applies to all crossings, says only to cross if the traffic has stopped.[/p][/quote]Wrong comment jobsworthwatch

6:23pm Thu 19 Dec 13

retry69 says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
Phixer wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??
Newtons 1st law of motion........

Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

In this instance 'the external force applied' was the pedestrian that stepped out in front of him.
My point is, simple mechanics why can't you grasp the simple facts of the situation?
Come on boys NO DEVIATION see above comments :)
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.[/p][/quote]He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??[/p][/quote]Newtons 1st law of motion........ Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. In this instance 'the external force applied' was the pedestrian that stepped out in front of him. My point is, simple mechanics why can't you grasp the simple facts of the situation?[/p][/quote]Come on boys NO DEVIATION see above comments :) retry69

6:47pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Poole Pirate says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
Poole Pirate wrote:
MrEdge wrote:
If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.
every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.
Even if this were true (which I can tell you categorically it isn't), the risk to pedestrians is minimal compared to the risks posed to all road users by speeding motorists. It's common sence my friend.
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.[/p][/quote]The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.[/p][/quote]every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Even if this were true (which I can tell you categorically it isn't), the risk to pedestrians is minimal compared to the risks posed to all road users by speeding motorists. It's common sence my friend. Poole Pirate

6:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

retry69 wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
Phixer wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??
Newtons 1st law of motion........

Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

In this instance 'the external force applied' was the pedestrian that stepped out in front of him.
My point is, simple mechanics why can't you grasp the simple facts of the situation?
Come on boys NO DEVIATION see above comments :)
There is no deviation, quite lively(!) debate about cycles and pedestrians - interesting and relevant!
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.[/p][/quote]He wouldn't have hurt himself if he hadn't got out of bed that morning. Your point is??[/p][/quote]Newtons 1st law of motion........ Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it. In this instance 'the external force applied' was the pedestrian that stepped out in front of him. My point is, simple mechanics why can't you grasp the simple facts of the situation?[/p][/quote]Come on boys NO DEVIATION see above comments :)[/p][/quote]There is no deviation, quite lively(!) debate about cycles and pedestrians - interesting and relevant! muscliffman

7:08pm Thu 19 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Ive got a stalker :( Anyway the topic as per headline is "Jailed" in my opinion the guy shouldn't be in prison, as someone else has said perhaps an alternative punishment would have been more suitable.Perhaps standing on the seafront everyday for a year slowing down any cyclists that might be speeding.Unpaid of course :)
Ive got a stalker :( Anyway the topic as per headline is "Jailed" in my opinion the guy shouldn't be in prison, as someone else has said perhaps an alternative punishment would have been more suitable.Perhaps standing on the seafront everyday for a year slowing down any cyclists that might be speeding.Unpaid of course :) retry69

7:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

mgibbs says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
mgibbs wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.
Highway Code rule 18, which applies to all crossings, says only to cross if the traffic has stopped.
Highway code is not law. The only laws that apply are the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 with subsequent amendments, and the Highways Act 1980.
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mgibbs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]That is because the pedestrian did not commit a criminal offence.[/p][/quote]Highway Code rule 18, which applies to all crossings, says only to cross if the traffic has stopped.[/p][/quote]Highway code is not law. The only laws that apply are the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 with subsequent amendments, and the Highways Act 1980. mgibbs

8:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

thisloginprocessisdaft says...

I guess everyone of you have never broken any law of the road in your car etc?

Yes cyclists do things they shouldn't but drivers of cars etc do so drunk, drive with no lights, jump lights and use their phones. Only today Sky News reported a drover who mounted the kerb and killed a little girl. Don't forget a driver left a man dead in Poole.

Some hated for cyclists is scary, it's as if you think you and your motor have the right of way. Cars, vans and the like cause more death and injury because when you get behind the wheel for some reason people turn in to monsters.

The guy in this case was wrong but don't think for one second that every cyclist is the same. Don't also forget your car has no more right than two legs or wheels out there.

I truly hope that none of you get that knock at the door where you're told someone has died because he was dragged 300 yards down the road under a car whilst the driver was making an appointment with their hairdresser.
I guess everyone of you have never broken any law of the road in your car etc? Yes cyclists do things they shouldn't but drivers of cars etc do so drunk, drive with no lights, jump lights and use their phones. Only today Sky News reported a drover who mounted the kerb and killed a little girl. Don't forget a driver left a man dead in Poole. Some hated for cyclists is scary, it's as if you think you and your motor have the right of way. Cars, vans and the like cause more death and injury because when you get behind the wheel for some reason people turn in to monsters. The guy in this case was wrong but don't think for one second that every cyclist is the same. Don't also forget your car has no more right than two legs or wheels out there. I truly hope that none of you get that knock at the door where you're told someone has died because he was dragged 300 yards down the road under a car whilst the driver was making an appointment with their hairdresser. thisloginprocessisdaft

9:27pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Peggy Babcock says...

notw78 wrote:
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
Do you recommend the same to pedestrians? If I had a £1 for every time someone has stepped out on the road in my path (as a driver or cyclist) I would be rich!
[quote][p][bold]notw78[/bold] wrote: Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?[/p][/quote]Do you recommend the same to pedestrians? If I had a £1 for every time someone has stepped out on the road in my path (as a driver or cyclist) I would be rich! Peggy Babcock

9:41pm Thu 19 Dec 13

dylexic bobert says...

Don't which direction he was going but either way is very steep and on a bike it's irresistible to fly down that hill.The traffic lights location is a bit dubious right at the bottom of the hill and because of the nature of the bend from Canford cliffs you can see the lights late and if your travelling can be difficult to stop.From the Westbourne to Canford way you can really be travelling and again stopping can be difficult . Can't imagine this guy wanted this to happen but if he was out on his new racer obviously lost a bit of control.Unforgiveabl
e not to stop though.They could build a bridge across this road a nice one.Alternatively some evil speed bumps.There will be further incidents here.
Don't which direction he was going but either way is very steep and on a bike it's irresistible to fly down that hill.The traffic lights location is a bit dubious right at the bottom of the hill and because of the nature of the bend from Canford cliffs you can see the lights late and if your travelling can be difficult to stop.From the Westbourne to Canford way you can really be travelling and again stopping can be difficult . Can't imagine this guy wanted this to happen but if he was out on his new racer obviously lost a bit of control.Unforgiveabl e not to stop though.They could build a bridge across this road a nice one.Alternatively some evil speed bumps.There will be further incidents here. dylexic bobert

9:52pm Thu 19 Dec 13

beachcomber1 says...

Poole Pirate wrote:
beachcomber1 wrote:
Poole Pirate wrote:
MrEdge wrote:
If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.
every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.
Even if this were true (which I can tell you categorically it isn't), the risk to pedestrians is minimal compared to the risks posed to all road users by speeding motorists. It's common sence my friend.
are you seriously trying to maintain that there are cyclists who use the Prom who never go over 10mph? ROFL
[quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.[/p][/quote]The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.[/p][/quote]every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Even if this were true (which I can tell you categorically it isn't), the risk to pedestrians is minimal compared to the risks posed to all road users by speeding motorists. It's common sence my friend.[/p][/quote]are you seriously trying to maintain that there are cyclists who use the Prom who never go over 10mph? ROFL beachcomber1

9:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

beachcomber1 says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
Poole Pirate wrote:
beachcomber1 wrote:
Poole Pirate wrote:
MrEdge wrote:
If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.
every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.
Even if this were true (which I can tell you categorically it isn't), the risk to pedestrians is minimal compared to the risks posed to all road users by speeding motorists. It's common sence my friend.
are you seriously trying to maintain that there are cyclists who use the Prom who never go over 10mph? ROFL
btw i'm not your friend.
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.[/p][/quote]The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.[/p][/quote]every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Even if this were true (which I can tell you categorically it isn't), the risk to pedestrians is minimal compared to the risks posed to all road users by speeding motorists. It's common sence my friend.[/p][/quote]are you seriously trying to maintain that there are cyclists who use the Prom who never go over 10mph? ROFL[/p][/quote]btw i'm not your friend. beachcomber1

10:01pm Thu 19 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

For all those smugly saying this was the right sentence and was in fact too lenient. These are a few press cutting from the last 12 months or so about people who have received suspended sentences:

“Ashley Perry had enjoyed a quiet drink with his wife and two friends when Woodley man attacked him in the pub car park as he left.

Mr Perry needed stitches in a gaping wound in his scalp, as well as suffering whiplash.

His wife was punched in the flurry of blows during the March attack. She had to have a scan to make sure her unborn baby was unharmed after the shock and adrenaline caused the foetus to stop moving for a day.

Carvill, 25, who wielded the bottle, was sentenced to six months in prison. Davis, who initiated the attack, was handed a SUSPENDED sentence
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“A convicted sex offender, who assaulted a frightened teenage girl at a house in Burnley, has won his freedom.

Burnley Crown Court heard how Anthony Hart, 22, was subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order at the time, but had not flouted it as the victim was not under 16.

He left the girl scared and shocked by his actions. She was scared, and was crying, and told him to stop….”
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“TWO Romford men who attacked a family that had been out celebrating a 65th birthday have been handed suspended jail terms.

Calmeyer pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) and affray and was given a 12 month sentence suspended for 24 months.
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“A judge allowed a paedophile to walk free after his 13-year-old victim was described as a ‘sexual predator’ who was ‘egging him on’ to engage in a sexual act.

Judge Nigel Peters told Neil Wilson, 41, who pleaded guilty to the abuse, he had also taken account the fact the child looked older.

Wilson lured the teenager to his home in Romford, Essex, where he watched her strip out of her school uniform before she performed a sex act on him.”

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A REDDITCH motorcyclist was killed and another suffered horrific injuries when a pensioner made a right turn in front of them, giving them no chance to avoid a collision.
A judge heard that Land Rover driver David Brown had not seen the two machines before making his manoeuvre, even though they had been in view for several seconds.
Brown, aged 76, of Gorsey Lane, Wythall, pleaded guilty at Warwick Crown Court to causing the death of Rafal Lorenz , 32,by careless driving.
He was sentenced to six months in prison suspended for 12 months,
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THE sister of Shafilea Ahmed has escaped a jail sentence for organising a violent robbery at the family home"
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Paul Taylor was found guilty of three counts of making 74 indecent images of children. He has been given a six-month sentence suspended for 18 months
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A householder punched and kicked two visitors unconscious, breaking one's jaw.
He then punched the other – who suffered a double fracture of the jaw – and kicked him as he curled up on the ground trying to protect himself.
Both victims lost consciousness during the attack.

He was given a 12-month jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work.


:
For all those smugly saying this was the right sentence and was in fact too lenient. These are a few press cutting from the last 12 months or so about people who have received suspended sentences: “Ashley Perry had enjoyed a quiet drink with his wife and two friends when Woodley man attacked him in the pub car park as he left. Mr Perry needed stitches in a gaping wound in his scalp, as well as suffering whiplash. His wife was punched in the flurry of blows during the March attack. She had to have a scan to make sure her unborn baby was unharmed after the shock and adrenaline caused the foetus to stop moving for a day. Carvill, 25, who wielded the bottle, was sentenced to six months in prison. Davis, who initiated the attack, was handed a SUSPENDED sentence ---------- “A convicted sex offender, who assaulted a frightened teenage girl at a house in Burnley, has won his freedom. Burnley Crown Court heard how Anthony Hart, 22, was subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order at the time, but had not flouted it as the victim was not under 16. He left the girl scared and shocked by his actions. She was scared, and was crying, and told him to stop….” ------------------ “TWO Romford men who attacked a family that had been out celebrating a 65th birthday have been handed suspended jail terms. Calmeyer pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) and affray and was given a 12 month sentence suspended for 24 months. -------------------- -------- “A judge allowed a paedophile to walk free after his 13-year-old victim was described as a ‘sexual predator’ who was ‘egging him on’ to engage in a sexual act. Judge Nigel Peters told Neil Wilson, 41, who pleaded guilty to the abuse, he had also taken account the fact the child looked older. Wilson lured the teenager to his home in Romford, Essex, where he watched her strip out of her school uniform before she performed a sex act on him.” -------------------- ---------------- A REDDITCH motorcyclist was killed and another suffered horrific injuries when a pensioner made a right turn in front of them, giving them no chance to avoid a collision. A judge heard that Land Rover driver David Brown had not seen the two machines before making his manoeuvre, even though they had been in view for several seconds. Brown, aged 76, of Gorsey Lane, Wythall, pleaded guilty at Warwick Crown Court to causing the death of Rafal Lorenz , 32,by careless driving. He was sentenced to six months in prison suspended for 12 months, -------------------- -------------------- ------------- THE sister of Shafilea Ahmed has escaped a jail sentence for organising a violent robbery at the family home" -------------------- ------------- Paul Taylor was found guilty of three counts of making 74 indecent images of children. He has been given a six-month sentence suspended for 18 months -------------------- -------------------- -------- A householder punched and kicked two visitors unconscious, breaking one's jaw. He then punched the other – who suffered a double fracture of the jaw – and kicked him as he curled up on the ground trying to protect himself. Both victims lost consciousness during the attack. He was given a 12-month jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work. : scrumpyjack

10:44pm Thu 19 Dec 13

HRH of Boscombe says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
This coward deserves to go to jail no doubt. I can't understand how anyone who done that to a child could run away.
.
Before you're so smug though maybe you should see how many people were killed by cyclists vs motorists last year!
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]This coward deserves to go to jail no doubt. I can't understand how anyone who done that to a child could run away. . Before you're so smug though maybe you should see how many people were killed by cyclists vs motorists last year! HRH of Boscombe

10:54pm Thu 19 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
Poole Pirate wrote:
MrEdge wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.
every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.
Every comment you make is ****.

Now, which of us is talking the truth?
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poole Pirate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.[/p][/quote]The level of enforcement is comensurate with the risk posed. Generally, the risks posed by cyclists to pedestrians or other road users is extremely low. A motorist typically breaks the law (by exceeding the speed limit) at some point on every journey thay make - no matter what you think, the same is not true for cyclists my friend !.[/p][/quote]every cyclist on the Prom breaks the speed limit.[/p][/quote]Every comment you make is ****. Now, which of us is talking the truth? scrumpyjack

11:07pm Thu 19 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
Valerie W. wrote: Unfortunately, cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth. There are various 'hotspots' (Bournemouth Square, Wimborne Road and many others). As a pedestrian, I often feel in danger. Most people play the game but there are a lot of idiots out there as well who hurtle at you hoping you'll move, or creep up behind you and push past. Having rules and counting on people's goodwill is great, but it isn't enough. The hotspots need to be policed and sanctions imposed against those who display complete disregard for others' safety. Only by example will the problem begin to diminish.
A sane and balanced post! Such a rarity in these "cyclists vs the world threads".
That actually made me laugh.

A post that opens with the very light observation: " cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth" is seen by you as being.....

"A sane and balanced post! Such a rarity in these "cyclists vs the world threads".


Could you make yourself less credulous?

Still, good luck to you and all the other chin wipers who give you the thumbs up.

No really, you clearly are oblivious to reality and that must be nice.
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Valerie W.[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately, cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth. There are various 'hotspots' (Bournemouth Square, Wimborne Road and many others). As a pedestrian, I often feel in danger. Most people play the game but there are a lot of idiots out there as well who hurtle at you hoping you'll move, or creep up behind you and push past. Having rules and counting on people's goodwill is great, but it isn't enough. The hotspots need to be policed and sanctions imposed against those who display complete disregard for others' safety. Only by example will the problem begin to diminish.[/p][/quote]A sane and balanced post! Such a rarity in these "cyclists vs the world threads".[/p][/quote]That actually made me laugh. A post that opens with the very light observation: " cycling on pavements is a plague in Bournemouth" is seen by you as being..... "A sane and balanced post! Such a rarity in these "cyclists vs the world threads". Could you make yourself less credulous? Still, good luck to you and all the other chin wipers who give you the thumbs up. No really, you clearly are oblivious to reality and that must be nice. scrumpyjack

11:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Tracknut says...

The simple fact is he went through a red light and ran someone over. Irrespective whether he was on his bike or in a car he should be treated the same as any other road user. By th sounds of it he has accepted his fate as he should have done. His cowardly moment should stay with him for the rest of his life. I just hope he little girl fully recovers from this traumatic experience.

As a cyclist and a driver I see people everyday act like idiots on the road but I agree that it is increasingly concerning that people are buying bikes with no concept on how to share the road safely. A lot of people say they never go through red lights on their bikes but I see more often than not this isn't the case.

It is an issue but at the same time hatred towards other road users has always been there but with the massive focus on cycling at the moment it's just the latest trend for people to hit out at. Remember when it was using your mobile when driving?"
The simple fact is he went through a red light and ran someone over. Irrespective whether he was on his bike or in a car he should be treated the same as any other road user. By th sounds of it he has accepted his fate as he should have done. His cowardly moment should stay with him for the rest of his life. I just hope he little girl fully recovers from this traumatic experience. As a cyclist and a driver I see people everyday act like idiots on the road but I agree that it is increasingly concerning that people are buying bikes with no concept on how to share the road safely. A lot of people say they never go through red lights on their bikes but I see more often than not this isn't the case. It is an issue but at the same time hatred towards other road users has always been there but with the massive focus on cycling at the moment it's just the latest trend for people to hit out at. Remember when it was using your mobile when driving?" Tracknut

11:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

dylexic bobert wrote:
Don't which direction he was going but either way is very steep and on a bike it's irresistible to fly down that hill.The traffic lights location is a bit dubious right at the bottom of the hill and because of the nature of the bend from Canford cliffs you can see the lights late and if your travelling can be difficult to stop.From the Westbourne to Canford way you can really be travelling and again stopping can be difficult . Can't imagine this guy wanted this to happen but if he was out on his new racer obviously lost a bit of control.Unforgiveabl e not to stop though.They could build a bridge across this road a nice one.Alternatively some evil speed bumps.There will be further incidents here.
"There will be further incidents here."

How many have been there in the last 10 years or so?
[quote][p][bold]dylexic bobert[/bold] wrote: Don't which direction he was going but either way is very steep and on a bike it's irresistible to fly down that hill.The traffic lights location is a bit dubious right at the bottom of the hill and because of the nature of the bend from Canford cliffs you can see the lights late and if your travelling can be difficult to stop.From the Westbourne to Canford way you can really be travelling and again stopping can be difficult . Can't imagine this guy wanted this to happen but if he was out on his new racer obviously lost a bit of control.Unforgiveabl e not to stop though.They could build a bridge across this road a nice one.Alternatively some evil speed bumps.There will be further incidents here.[/p][/quote]"There will be further incidents here." How many have been there in the last 10 years or so? scrumpyjack

11:33pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Adrian XX says...

Pedestrians should be licensed and insured, made to wear number plates and fitted with accelerometer based screeching sirens to warn of unexpected changes in direction. Pedestrians cause numerous problems on shared cycle/walking routes by simply not thinking before they change direction.
Pedestrians should be licensed and insured, made to wear number plates and fitted with accelerometer based screeching sirens to warn of unexpected changes in direction. Pedestrians cause numerous problems on shared cycle/walking routes by simply not thinking before they change direction. Adrian XX

12:12am Fri 20 Dec 13

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
Ive got a stalker :( Anyway the topic as per headline is "Jailed" in my opinion the guy shouldn't be in prison, as someone else has said perhaps an alternative punishment would have been more suitable.Perhaps standing on the seafront everyday for a year slowing down any cyclists that might be speeding.Unpaid of course :)
Stalker was he not a police chief, been out for few pints tonight in that rough part of town Boscombe and it was all quiet compared to on here.

Hope this is not deviating,
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: Ive got a stalker :( Anyway the topic as per headline is "Jailed" in my opinion the guy shouldn't be in prison, as someone else has said perhaps an alternative punishment would have been more suitable.Perhaps standing on the seafront everyday for a year slowing down any cyclists that might be speeding.Unpaid of course :)[/p][/quote]Stalker was he not a police chief, been out for few pints tonight in that rough part of town Boscombe and it was all quiet compared to on here. Hope this is not deviating, Lord Spring

6:44am Fri 20 Dec 13

retry69 says...

You are an untapped source of information, well done hope you enjoyed it :)
You are an untapped source of information, well done hope you enjoyed it :) retry69

6:59am Fri 20 Dec 13

Moro99 says...

Since this story was reported, less than 24 hours ago, a 9 year old boy was hit by a car at the lights on Xch rd /Ashley rd, And an ambulance car smashed into a restaurant on Xch rd. (That requires crossing the pavement).

A note on the prom -the speed limit between the piers is 20mph, but many cars exceed this, especially after the summer fireworks displays, and even on the parts of the prom closed to cars there are contractors who have access who speed.
I once reported the land train driver who was driving the train whilst drinking from a cup.
As a pedestrian , I know what I am more wary of when walking around Bournemouth !
Since this story was reported, less than 24 hours ago, a 9 year old boy was hit by a car at the lights on Xch rd /Ashley rd, And an ambulance car smashed into a restaurant on Xch rd. (That requires crossing the pavement). A note on the prom -the speed limit between the piers is 20mph, but many cars exceed this, especially after the summer fireworks displays, and even on the parts of the prom closed to cars there are contractors who have access who speed. I once reported the land train driver who was driving the train whilst drinking from a cup. As a pedestrian , I know what I am more wary of when walking around Bournemouth ! Moro99

7:10am Fri 20 Dec 13

alasdair1967 says...

There is a lot of talk on a clampdown in around the hotspots,may I recommend the Cabot lane broad stone way traffic lights perfectly good cycle lane utilised by the cycling community however the traffic lights designated for that cycle lane are blatantly disregarded by the majority
There is a lot of talk on a clampdown in around the hotspots,may I recommend the Cabot lane broad stone way traffic lights perfectly good cycle lane utilised by the cycling community however the traffic lights designated for that cycle lane are blatantly disregarded by the majority alasdair1967

7:30am Fri 20 Dec 13

BIGTONE says...

I've seen a better peddler in Boscum.
I've seen a better peddler in Boscum. BIGTONE

7:41am Fri 20 Dec 13

tbpoole says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
dylexic bobert wrote:
Don't which direction he was going but either way is very steep and on a bike it's irresistible to fly down that hill.The traffic lights location is a bit dubious right at the bottom of the hill and because of the nature of the bend from Canford cliffs you can see the lights late and if your travelling can be difficult to stop.From the Westbourne to Canford way you can really be travelling and again stopping can be difficult . Can't imagine this guy wanted this to happen but if he was out on his new racer obviously lost a bit of control.Unforgiveabl e not to stop though.They could build a bridge across this road a nice one.Alternatively some evil speed bumps.There will be further incidents here.
"There will be further incidents here."

How many have been there in the last 10 years or so?
Exactly. Plus it's there because that's where people want to cross - from the Chine to the beach!
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dylexic bobert[/bold] wrote: Don't which direction he was going but either way is very steep and on a bike it's irresistible to fly down that hill.The traffic lights location is a bit dubious right at the bottom of the hill and because of the nature of the bend from Canford cliffs you can see the lights late and if your travelling can be difficult to stop.From the Westbourne to Canford way you can really be travelling and again stopping can be difficult . Can't imagine this guy wanted this to happen but if he was out on his new racer obviously lost a bit of control.Unforgiveabl e not to stop though.They could build a bridge across this road a nice one.Alternatively some evil speed bumps.There will be further incidents here.[/p][/quote]"There will be further incidents here." How many have been there in the last 10 years or so?[/p][/quote]Exactly. Plus it's there because that's where people want to cross - from the Chine to the beach! tbpoole

7:47am Fri 20 Dec 13

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Ive got a stalker :( Anyway the topic as per headline is "Jailed" in my opinion the guy shouldn't be in prison, as someone else has said perhaps an alternative punishment would have been more suitable.Perhaps standing on the seafront everyday for a year slowing down any cyclists that might be speeding.Unpaid of course :)
Stalker was he not a police chief, been out for few pints tonight in that rough part of town Boscombe and it was all quiet compared to on here.

Hope this is not deviating,
Unlike John my stalker is UIE, under the influence of his own ego,just thought that up while walking the dog,now that is deviating :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: Ive got a stalker :( Anyway the topic as per headline is "Jailed" in my opinion the guy shouldn't be in prison, as someone else has said perhaps an alternative punishment would have been more suitable.Perhaps standing on the seafront everyday for a year slowing down any cyclists that might be speeding.Unpaid of course :)[/p][/quote]Stalker was he not a police chief, been out for few pints tonight in that rough part of town Boscombe and it was all quiet compared to on here. Hope this is not deviating,[/p][/quote]Unlike John my stalker is UIE, under the influence of his own ego,just thought that up while walking the dog,now that is deviating :) retry69

9:04am Fri 20 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
For all those smugly saying this was the right sentence and was in fact too lenient. These are a few press cutting from the last 12 months or so about people who have received suspended sentences:

“Ashley Perry had enjoyed a quiet drink with his wife and two friends when Woodley man attacked him in the pub car park as he left.

Mr Perry needed stitches in a gaping wound in his scalp, as well as suffering whiplash.

His wife was punched in the flurry of blows during the March attack. She had to have a scan to make sure her unborn baby was unharmed after the shock and adrenaline caused the foetus to stop moving for a day.

Carvill, 25, who wielded the bottle, was sentenced to six months in prison. Davis, who initiated the attack, was handed a SUSPENDED sentence
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“A convicted sex offender, who assaulted a frightened teenage girl at a house in Burnley, has won his freedom.

Burnley Crown Court heard how Anthony Hart, 22, was subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order at the time, but had not flouted it as the victim was not under 16.

He left the girl scared and shocked by his actions. She was scared, and was crying, and told him to stop….”
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“TWO Romford men who attacked a family that had been out celebrating a 65th birthday have been handed suspended jail terms.

Calmeyer pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) and affray and was given a 12 month sentence suspended for 24 months.
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“A judge allowed a paedophile to walk free after his 13-year-old victim was described as a ‘sexual predator’ who was ‘egging him on’ to engage in a sexual act.

Judge Nigel Peters told Neil Wilson, 41, who pleaded guilty to the abuse, he had also taken account the fact the child looked older.

Wilson lured the teenager to his home in Romford, Essex, where he watched her strip out of her school uniform before she performed a sex act on him.”

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A REDDITCH motorcyclist was killed and another suffered horrific injuries when a pensioner made a right turn in front of them, giving them no chance to avoid a collision.
A judge heard that Land Rover driver David Brown had not seen the two machines before making his manoeuvre, even though they had been in view for several seconds.
Brown, aged 76, of Gorsey Lane, Wythall, pleaded guilty at Warwick Crown Court to causing the death of Rafal Lorenz , 32,by careless driving.
He was sentenced to six months in prison suspended for 12 months,
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THE sister of Shafilea Ahmed has escaped a jail sentence for organising a violent robbery at the family home"
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Paul Taylor was found guilty of three counts of making 74 indecent images of children. He has been given a six-month sentence suspended for 18 months
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A householder punched and kicked two visitors unconscious, breaking one's jaw.
He then punched the other – who suffered a double fracture of the jaw – and kicked him as he curled up on the ground trying to protect himself.
Both victims lost consciousness during the attack.

He was given a 12-month jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work.


:
Your examples suggest that my original comment....The sentence sounds excessive......wasn'
t unreasonable.
Could it be that we have an anti-cycling judiciary?
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: For all those smugly saying this was the right sentence and was in fact too lenient. These are a few press cutting from the last 12 months or so about people who have received suspended sentences: “Ashley Perry had enjoyed a quiet drink with his wife and two friends when Woodley man attacked him in the pub car park as he left. Mr Perry needed stitches in a gaping wound in his scalp, as well as suffering whiplash. His wife was punched in the flurry of blows during the March attack. She had to have a scan to make sure her unborn baby was unharmed after the shock and adrenaline caused the foetus to stop moving for a day. Carvill, 25, who wielded the bottle, was sentenced to six months in prison. Davis, who initiated the attack, was handed a SUSPENDED sentence ---------- “A convicted sex offender, who assaulted a frightened teenage girl at a house in Burnley, has won his freedom. Burnley Crown Court heard how Anthony Hart, 22, was subject to a Sexual Offences Prevention Order at the time, but had not flouted it as the victim was not under 16. He left the girl scared and shocked by his actions. She was scared, and was crying, and told him to stop….” ------------------ “TWO Romford men who attacked a family that had been out celebrating a 65th birthday have been handed suspended jail terms. Calmeyer pleaded guilty to causing grievous bodily harm (GBH) and affray and was given a 12 month sentence suspended for 24 months. -------------------- -------- “A judge allowed a paedophile to walk free after his 13-year-old victim was described as a ‘sexual predator’ who was ‘egging him on’ to engage in a sexual act. Judge Nigel Peters told Neil Wilson, 41, who pleaded guilty to the abuse, he had also taken account the fact the child looked older. Wilson lured the teenager to his home in Romford, Essex, where he watched her strip out of her school uniform before she performed a sex act on him.” -------------------- ---------------- A REDDITCH motorcyclist was killed and another suffered horrific injuries when a pensioner made a right turn in front of them, giving them no chance to avoid a collision. A judge heard that Land Rover driver David Brown had not seen the two machines before making his manoeuvre, even though they had been in view for several seconds. Brown, aged 76, of Gorsey Lane, Wythall, pleaded guilty at Warwick Crown Court to causing the death of Rafal Lorenz , 32,by careless driving. He was sentenced to six months in prison suspended for 12 months, -------------------- -------------------- ------------- THE sister of Shafilea Ahmed has escaped a jail sentence for organising a violent robbery at the family home" -------------------- ------------- Paul Taylor was found guilty of three counts of making 74 indecent images of children. He has been given a six-month sentence suspended for 18 months -------------------- -------------------- -------- A householder punched and kicked two visitors unconscious, breaking one's jaw. He then punched the other – who suffered a double fracture of the jaw – and kicked him as he curled up on the ground trying to protect himself. Both victims lost consciousness during the attack. He was given a 12-month jail sentence, suspended for two years, and ordered to do 200 hours of unpaid work. :[/p][/quote]Your examples suggest that my original comment....The sentence sounds excessive......wasn' t unreasonable. Could it be that we have an anti-cycling judiciary? jobsworthwatch

9:28am Fri 20 Dec 13

suzigirl says...

Result!
Result! suzigirl

9:43am Fri 20 Dec 13

BarrHumbug says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
He probably wouldn't have died if he'd been wearing a helmet?

Obviously aside from the girl herself and her family, I feel sorry for what the au pair has had to go through, I know she was blameless in all this but she must be racked with guilt that a child in her care was injured.

Considering the guys actions I think the sentence is fair, he obviously won't serve the full term but his record will hang over him for the rest of his life and the consequences of that will affect him long after we have all forgotten about it and rightly so because that young girl will never forget it?
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.[/p][/quote]He probably wouldn't have died if he'd been wearing a helmet? Obviously aside from the girl herself and her family, I feel sorry for what the au pair has had to go through, I know she was blameless in all this but she must be racked with guilt that a child in her care was injured. Considering the guys actions I think the sentence is fair, he obviously won't serve the full term but his record will hang over him for the rest of his life and the consequences of that will affect him long after we have all forgotten about it and rightly so because that young girl will never forget it? BarrHumbug

9:51am Fri 20 Dec 13

jobsworthwatch says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident .....

A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”
I read all that at the time.
He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.
He probably wouldn't have died if he'd been wearing a helmet?

Obviously aside from the girl herself and her family, I feel sorry for what the au pair has had to go through, I know she was blameless in all this but she must be racked with guilt that a child in her care was injured.

Considering the guys actions I think the sentence is fair, he obviously won't serve the full term but his record will hang over him for the rest of his life and the consequences of that will affect him long after we have all forgotten about it and rightly so because that young girl will never forget it?
Recent studies have suggested that a helmet makes little difference, and you can suffer serious injury travelling at only 10 mph, I speak from experience.
His sentence doesn't appear to be fair when compared to the acts of premeditated GBH listed @ 'scrumpyjack'
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]Very sad but according to the Echo report of that incident ..... A CYCLIST freewheeled downhill at up to 30mph and died when he collided with a pedestrian, an inquest heard. Kevin Watts, 54, who was not wearing a helmet, went over his handlebars and witnesses saw him land on his head in front of Boscombe Pier. He died from injuries including extensive skull fractures and multiple rib fractures. Bournemouth Coroners Court heard yesterday that Mr Watts had been warned several times by seafront staff about how fast he cycled. Joseph Graff, an undercliff barrier attendant, said in a statement: “I myself had said that if he keeps riding like that he will hurt himself or someone else.”[/p][/quote]I read all that at the time. He wouldn't have hurt himself if someone hadn't of stepped out in front of him.[/p][/quote]He probably wouldn't have died if he'd been wearing a helmet? Obviously aside from the girl herself and her family, I feel sorry for what the au pair has had to go through, I know she was blameless in all this but she must be racked with guilt that a child in her care was injured. Considering the guys actions I think the sentence is fair, he obviously won't serve the full term but his record will hang over him for the rest of his life and the consequences of that will affect him long after we have all forgotten about it and rightly so because that young girl will never forget it?[/p][/quote]Recent studies have suggested that a helmet makes little difference, and you can suffer serious injury travelling at only 10 mph, I speak from experience. His sentence doesn't appear to be fair when compared to the acts of premeditated GBH listed @ 'scrumpyjack' jobsworthwatch

10:47am Fri 20 Dec 13

Dorset Logic says...

Hey I cycle, and the guy deserves his time out. not stopping in any accident is low, be it car, cycle or shutting a door on someone's face.

For the middle aged / elderly passive aggressive anti cycling brigade on here. Try not to generalise or get to extreme, as no-one will listen to you and you wouldn't want that would you.
Hey I cycle, and the guy deserves his time out. not stopping in any accident is low, be it car, cycle or shutting a door on someone's face. For the middle aged / elderly passive aggressive anti cycling brigade on here. Try not to generalise or get to extreme, as no-one will listen to you and you wouldn't want that would you. Dorset Logic

11:52am Fri 20 Dec 13

Mushymat says...

MrEdge wrote:
If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.
we live in a world where 60% of drivers admit to speeding, 80% admit to phone use and in a recent police crackdown on one street found around 75% of vehicles or their drivers at fault (no seat belts, speeding, illegal loads ect)

And with all that in mind people get upset with cyclists who kill 0-2 people a year nationally, and seriously injure 450 per year - cars on the other hand kill 1800 and seriously injure close to 250000.

You can get as upset as you like with them, but at the same time you need to face reality. And with that's exactly what the police do to.

I'm in no way excusing this muppet or anyone else who might put someone in danger, but please realize the dangers that cars/drivers pose dwarfs that of cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]MrEdge[/bold] wrote: If cyclists were held to the same level of enforcement that drivers were, there would be cyclists in court all the time. However the big Eco Green push by certain members of our government make them almost above the law.[/p][/quote]we live in a world where 60% of drivers admit to speeding, 80% admit to phone use and in a recent police crackdown on one street found around 75% of vehicles or their drivers at fault (no seat belts, speeding, illegal loads ect) And with all that in mind people get upset with cyclists who kill 0-2 people a year nationally, and seriously injure 450 per year - cars on the other hand kill 1800 and seriously injure close to 250000. You can get as upset as you like with them, but at the same time you need to face reality. And with that's exactly what the police do to. I'm in no way excusing this muppet or anyone else who might put someone in danger, but please realize the dangers that cars/drivers pose dwarfs that of cyclists. Mushymat

1:20pm Fri 20 Dec 13

richardcompton3 says...

Franks Tank wrote:
foggy1965 wrote:
saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.
Also in the news today:-
A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown.
A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry.
Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights.

Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?
And how many of these accidents were the cyclists fault? Oh sorry, forgot, they are never to blame!
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]foggy1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.[/p][/quote]Also in the news today:- A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown. A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry. Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights. Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?[/p][/quote]And how many of these accidents were the cyclists fault? Oh sorry, forgot, they are never to blame! richardcompton3

1:57pm Fri 20 Dec 13

InkZ says...

It's the actions of the idiots, combined with the narrow minded generalizations by other idiots that make it more dangerous out there for all of us.
It's the actions of the idiots, combined with the narrow minded generalizations by other idiots that make it more dangerous out there for all of us. InkZ

2:28pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
You arse.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]You arse. Letcommonsenseprevail

2:32pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Franks Tank says...

richardcompton3 wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
foggy1965 wrote:
saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.
Also in the news today:-
A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown.
A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry.
Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights.

Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?
And how many of these accidents were the cyclists fault? Oh sorry, forgot, they are never to blame!
Errr...., of the above 3 incidents?
Exactly none!
And you point is?

Whilst in today news also not involving cyclists:-
Two car colision on the Holes Bay Road.
Boy aged 9 injured by a car in Boscombe.
Bus crashed into a tree in London while avoiding a car.
[quote][p][bold]richardcompton3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]foggy1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.[/p][/quote]Also in the news today:- A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown. A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry. Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights. Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?[/p][/quote]And how many of these accidents were the cyclists fault? Oh sorry, forgot, they are never to blame![/p][/quote]Errr...., of the above 3 incidents? Exactly none! And you point is? Whilst in today news also not involving cyclists:- Two car colision on the Holes Bay Road. Boy aged 9 injured by a car in Boscombe. Bus crashed into a tree in London while avoiding a car. Franks Tank

3:02pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Dorset Logic says...

saynomore wrote:
So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
I like stable balanced people, they are nice
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]I like stable balanced people, they are nice Dorset Logic

3:46pm Fri 20 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

Franks Tank wrote:
richardcompton3 wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
foggy1965 wrote:
saynomore wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.
well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.
Also in the news today:- A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown. A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry. Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights. Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?
And how many of these accidents were the cyclists fault? Oh sorry, forgot, they are never to blame!
Errr...., of the above 3 incidents? Exactly none! And you point is? Whilst in today news also not involving cyclists:- Two car colision on the Holes Bay Road. Boy aged 9 injured by a car in Boscombe. Bus crashed into a tree in London while avoiding a car.
You forgot the elderly driver who ploughed into a bus stop killing a 14 year old and critically injuring her mother.

The Police spokesman confirmed there had been no arrests and described it as a "terrible accident".
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richardcompton3[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]foggy1965[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: So there you go you smug Lycra louts,take note.[/p][/quote]well said, now all we need is the police to nick more of them.[/p][/quote]Also in the news today:- A pedestrian has been taken to hospital in an ambulance after being hit by a car in Ameysford Road, Ferndown. A road accident in Sandbanks Road, Poole between a car and a lorry. Police, ambulance and the fire service were called to the Cooper Dean roundabout this morning after a car crashed into traffic lights. Do you find your blinkers chafe after a while?[/p][/quote]And how many of these accidents were the cyclists fault? Oh sorry, forgot, they are never to blame![/p][/quote]Errr...., of the above 3 incidents? Exactly none! And you point is? Whilst in today news also not involving cyclists:- Two car colision on the Holes Bay Road. Boy aged 9 injured by a car in Boscombe. Bus crashed into a tree in London while avoiding a car.[/p][/quote]You forgot the elderly driver who ploughed into a bus stop killing a 14 year old and critically injuring her mother. The Police spokesman confirmed there had been no arrests and described it as a "terrible accident". scrumpyjack

8:03pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Mushymat says...

Ofcourse had he been drunk and driving a vhicle estimated to be 40x more dangerous that a bike he would only have received 18weeks.

http://www.leicester
mercury.co.uk/Prison
-hit-run-driver-left
-boy-dead/story-1978
1415-detail/story.ht
ml
Ofcourse had he been drunk and driving a vhicle estimated to be 40x more dangerous that a bike he would only have received 18weeks. http://www.leicester mercury.co.uk/Prison -hit-run-driver-left -boy-dead/story-1978 1415-detail/story.ht ml Mushymat

8:21pm Fri 20 Dec 13

holdinkæft says...

Franks Tank wrote:
notw78 wrote:
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
It’s true. Some countries have had bicycle registration and license schemes. Japan still does (all bicycles sold in Japan are registered with the local government as an anti-theft measure).
In Switzerland, until recently it was compulsory to have a CHF-5-10 ‘Velo Vignette’ (bike sticker) ‘license’. However, in March 2010, the Swiss parliament started to debate whether to abolish the licenses, and then did. Political bean counters said the costs of the scheme far outstripped the revenue.
Lots of countries used to have bike badge registration schemes: from Argentina to the Seychelles. The schemes were discontinued for the same reason dog licenses were discontinued in the UK: administration of the schemes, such as the bicycle licensing by-law in Toronto (created in 1935, ditched in 1957 and suggested but rejected in 1984, 1992 and 1996), always costs way more than the income.
In July 2011, councilor Monette of Ottawa asked the City Operations team to evaluate whether it would be worth creating a bicycle licensing scheme. In January 2012, the answer came back "no".
The City Operations team said:- Given limited benefits and significant challenges, and primarily based on the fact that bicycle licensing would act as a significant barrier to cycling, it is recommended that bicycle licensing not be implemented in the City of Ottawa
Despite having the most cyclists in Europe, neither the Netherlands nor Denmark have bicycle licensing schemes.

You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? Germany during the 1940's!.
Bikes are registered in Denmark for insurance purposes. Stolen bike and that sort of thing.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notw78[/bold] wrote: Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?[/p][/quote]It’s true. Some countries have had bicycle registration and license schemes. Japan still does (all bicycles sold in Japan are registered with the local government as an anti-theft measure). In Switzerland, until recently it was compulsory to have a CHF-5-10 ‘Velo Vignette’ (bike sticker) ‘license’. However, in March 2010, the Swiss parliament started to debate whether to abolish the licenses, and then did. Political bean counters said the costs of the scheme far outstripped the revenue. Lots of countries used to have bike badge registration schemes: from Argentina to the Seychelles. The schemes were discontinued for the same reason dog licenses were discontinued in the UK: administration of the schemes, such as the bicycle licensing by-law in Toronto (created in 1935, ditched in 1957 and suggested but rejected in 1984, 1992 and 1996), always costs way more than the income. In July 2011, councilor Monette of Ottawa asked the City Operations team to evaluate whether it would be worth creating a bicycle licensing scheme. In January 2012, the answer came back "no". The City Operations team said:- Given limited benefits and significant challenges, and primarily based on the fact that bicycle licensing would act as a significant barrier to cycling, it is recommended that bicycle licensing not be implemented in the City of Ottawa Despite having the most cyclists in Europe, neither the Netherlands nor Denmark have bicycle licensing schemes. You know who really liked bicycle registration schemes? Germany during the 1940's!.[/p][/quote]Bikes are registered in Denmark for insurance purposes. Stolen bike and that sort of thing. holdinkæft

8:36pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Hessenford says...

Franks Tank wrote:
notw78 wrote:
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
This time last week a gentleman was killed by a hit and run driver and not long ago there was a hit and run by the BIC.
Compulsory registration and insurance of motor vehicle didn't prevent these incidents happening did they?.
Compulsory registration could save the police valuable time and effort tracking down a rogue cyclist and insurance could make sure that any injuries or damage sustained are compensated as with car insurance.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notw78[/bold] wrote: Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?[/p][/quote]This time last week a gentleman was killed by a hit and run driver and not long ago there was a hit and run by the BIC. Compulsory registration and insurance of motor vehicle didn't prevent these incidents happening did they?.[/p][/quote]Compulsory registration could save the police valuable time and effort tracking down a rogue cyclist and insurance could make sure that any injuries or damage sustained are compensated as with car insurance. Hessenford

8:58pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Mushymat says...

Hessenford wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
notw78 wrote:
Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?
This time last week a gentleman was killed by a hit and run driver and not long ago there was a hit and run by the BIC.
Compulsory registration and insurance of motor vehicle didn't prevent these incidents happening did they?.
Compulsory registration could save the police valuable time and effort tracking down a rogue cyclist and insurance could make sure that any injuries or damage sustained are compensated as with car insurance.
Compulsory registration in a similar way to cars will never happen - there are many social issues for this which I'll happy explain if you wish.

But.... A standard/simple stamp mark (like Denmark) could work if it's done as part of the manufacturing.

As for insurance - will never ever happen. The reason for this is a bike simply is a fraction as dangeous as a car, a car can literally cause £1000s + damage with ease! as well as kill with ease. A bicycle simply does not introduce anywhere near that danger. As the introduction of costly infrastructure to incorporate, police simply is not justified.

If you're intrested in a figure that illustrates the relative dangers - it takes cyclists 5 years to kill the amount of people motorised vehicles kill in 1 day. The figures for injuries are also similar.

In addition to this...lack of insurance does not equal lack of responsibility. Cyclists are still legally obliged to pay for any damage done, just like pedestrians who might also cause damage.

One final point. Many house hold insurance policies give you liability for your bikes away from home. It in effect means you are insured.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notw78[/bold] wrote: Isn't it time that Cyclists were registered, to avoid any "hit and run" incidents in the future - a plate of some kind to identify the cyclist - and also have cyclists take out insurance against causing death/injury ?[/p][/quote]This time last week a gentleman was killed by a hit and run driver and not long ago there was a hit and run by the BIC. Compulsory registration and insurance of motor vehicle didn't prevent these incidents happening did they?.[/p][/quote]Compulsory registration could save the police valuable time and effort tracking down a rogue cyclist and insurance could make sure that any injuries or damage sustained are compensated as with car insurance.[/p][/quote]Compulsory registration in a similar way to cars will never happen - there are many social issues for this which I'll happy explain if you wish. But.... A standard/simple stamp mark (like Denmark) could work if it's done as part of the manufacturing. As for insurance - will never ever happen. The reason for this is a bike simply is a fraction as dangeous as a car, a car can literally cause £1000s + damage with ease! as well as kill with ease. A bicycle simply does not introduce anywhere near that danger. As the introduction of costly infrastructure to incorporate, police simply is not justified. If you're intrested in a figure that illustrates the relative dangers - it takes cyclists 5 years to kill the amount of people motorised vehicles kill in 1 day. The figures for injuries are also similar. In addition to this...lack of insurance does not equal lack of responsibility. Cyclists are still legally obliged to pay for any damage done, just like pedestrians who might also cause damage. One final point. Many house hold insurance policies give you liability for your bikes away from home. It in effect means you are insured. Mushymat

11:47pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Goldbar says...

jobsworthwatch wrote:
The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.
excessive? - if this was your little girl you would certainly feel different

The clown hit her then picked up his bike to carry on , clearly without a second thought for this little girl - his remorse is only as he got caught

He should have got a hell of a lot more I have no tolerence for these idiots be they cyclists or motorists they all get of far too lightly
[quote][p][bold]jobsworthwatch[/bold] wrote: The sentence sounds excessive. The ped that was responsible for the death of the cyclist on sea road a few years back got nothing.[/p][/quote]excessive? - if this was your little girl you would certainly feel different The clown hit her then picked up his bike to carry on , clearly without a second thought for this little girl - his remorse is only as he got caught He should have got a hell of a lot more I have no tolerence for these idiots be they cyclists or motorists they all get of far too lightly Goldbar

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