Elderly couple who fell to their deaths from block of flats 'didn't want to move into care home'

Bournemouth Echo: Crag Head in Manor Road Crag Head in Manor Road

TRAGIC elderly couple Roy and Glenys Smith plunged to their deaths from their flat after telling neighbours they didn’t want to move into a care home.

Described as “lonely”, the devoted couple fell 30ft to their deaths from the block of flats where they were housebound and in poor health.

Their deaths are the latest in a series of tragic incidents involving older people. Post mortem examinations are due to be carried out tomorrow.

Both perished after plunging from their home in Crag Head, Manor Road, Bournemouth on Tuesday.

It is understood the couple were found on the ground below their bedroom window.

A police investigation was initially launched but it was soon established that there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding their deaths.

Neighbour Mark Goldfinger told the Daily Echo: “They were an elderly married couple who suffered from poor health. He lost his eyesight altogether about two years ago.

“It wasn’t an accident – they were an elderly couple and a lonely couple. They weren’t that sociable. In the last five years they came out less and less as their health worsened.”

Another neighbour, Ruth Burger, added: “They were devoted to each other. I don’t think they were very well – what happened is tragic.”

It is thought the couple’s two sons and grandchildren live in Dorset.

In May this year 69-year-old Keith Williams died after jumping from the balcony of his 16th floor home in The Albany, also in Manor Road.

An inquest revealed Mr Williams died after suffering years of pain which left him increasingly depressed.

An 80-year-old woman also died after falling from the same cliff-top block.

  • Older people in need of support and advice can contact Bournemouth-based Help and Care’s Telephone Support Service on 0300 111 3303 or the new Silver Line service, launched recently by Esther Rantzen, on 0800 470 8090.

Marianne Storey, Director of Development at Help and Care in Bournemouth said: “This is a truly tragic event and hearing this kind of story always saddens me terribly because this is exactly what Help and Care is here to try to prevent.

“If an older person is desperate or lonely or feels they really have nowhere to turn we can help. We have a great team of people who run our Helpdesk and anyone can call with any problem at all that they are struggling with.

“ The Helpdesk team will listen and offer as much support as they can. We also have a telephone befriending service run by our fantastic volunteers. They call lonely and isolated people once a week for a chat and a check up on how they’re doing. If things are not going so well they can help put in any support the person needs. For some lonely people it’s the only conversation they have all week but it makes such a difference knowing someone cares about them.

We also have support services for carers of older people and advocacy support services. We do all these things because we don’t want people to feel desperate and as if there is no hope or nowhere to turn – there is. I urge any older person who is feeling lonely, scared or at their wits end to call us. We’re here to listen and to help.”

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1:12pm Thu 5 Dec 13

retry69 says...

That news makes it even more tragic,truely heartbreaking RIP
That news makes it even more tragic,truely heartbreaking RIP retry69

1:31pm Thu 5 Dec 13

muscliffman says...

It does seem possible that they chose to leave this world under their own terms - I have nothing but respect for them if this was the case.
It does seem possible that they chose to leave this world under their own terms - I have nothing but respect for them if this was the case. muscliffman

1:58pm Thu 5 Dec 13

beachcomber1 says...

far from being tragic i applaud their courage and determination to do what they did, sparing themselves further misery and indignity. i hope i have the wisdom and guts to do the same.
far from being tragic i applaud their courage and determination to do what they did, sparing themselves further misery and indignity. i hope i have the wisdom and guts to do the same. beachcomber1

2:56pm Thu 5 Dec 13

High Treason says...

Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.
Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way. High Treason

3:00pm Thu 5 Dec 13

hooplaa says...

'Roy and Glenys Smith plunged to their deaths from a balcony' - What a thoughtful way to put it echo.
'Roy and Glenys Smith plunged to their deaths from a balcony' - What a thoughtful way to put it echo. hooplaa

3:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

funkyferret says...

Incredibly sad to think of all the world events they have lived through & experienced, only to have their autumn years together so grossly affected by politicians penny-pinching on community care forcing this issue.
There appears to be no respect held for their contributions to society (&taxes paid).
My thoughts & condolences to their family, friends & neighbours.
Incredibly sad to think of all the world events they have lived through & experienced, only to have their autumn years together so grossly affected by politicians penny-pinching on community care forcing this issue. There appears to be no respect held for their contributions to society (&taxes paid). My thoughts & condolences to their family, friends & neighbours. funkyferret

3:21pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Niki1 says...

beachcomber1 wrote:
far from being tragic i applaud their courage and determination to do what they did, sparing themselves further misery and indignity. i hope i have the wisdom and guts to do the same.
Your comment actually brought tears to my eyes as that is exactly how I thought about his tragic event. I have always said to my family that if I was like this I would like to choose how I go. My thoughts and prayers are with their family and friends. RIP both of you and I hope you are at peace together
[quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: far from being tragic i applaud their courage and determination to do what they did, sparing themselves further misery and indignity. i hope i have the wisdom and guts to do the same.[/p][/quote]Your comment actually brought tears to my eyes as that is exactly how I thought about his tragic event. I have always said to my family that if I was like this I would like to choose how I go. My thoughts and prayers are with their family and friends. RIP both of you and I hope you are at peace together Niki1

3:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

In Absentia says...

How lovely of the Echo to print all this speculation. How about allowing the family to grieve in private and letting the Coroner get on and do his job?
How lovely of the Echo to print all this speculation. How about allowing the family to grieve in private and letting the Coroner get on and do his job? In Absentia

3:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

homerjsimpson1979 says...

So sad
So sad homerjsimpson1979

3:36pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Nigel Blumenthal says...

Niki1 wrote:
beachcomber1 wrote:
far from being tragic i applaud their courage and determination to do what they did, sparing themselves further misery and indignity. i hope i have the wisdom and guts to do the same.
Your comment actually brought tears to my eyes as that is exactly how I thought about his tragic event. I have always said to my family that if I was like this I would like to choose how I go. My thoughts and prayers are with their family and friends. RIP both of you and I hope you are at peace together
I agree 100%. This is a very sad story, and it can be "spun" in many ways, but the bottom line is that here you have two elderly people, each of whom has the other as his/her life's companion, and the thought of losing that companion is increasingly terrifying as they grow older and more infirm. Their decision and actions are born out of incredible courage and love.

Marianne Storey has a very difficult job to do, but really, to say that "this is exactly what Help and Care is here to try to prevent" is a typical social worker's comment which is so out of touch with the sad reality.

May God rest their souls.
[quote][p][bold]Niki1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beachcomber1[/bold] wrote: far from being tragic i applaud their courage and determination to do what they did, sparing themselves further misery and indignity. i hope i have the wisdom and guts to do the same.[/p][/quote]Your comment actually brought tears to my eyes as that is exactly how I thought about his tragic event. I have always said to my family that if I was like this I would like to choose how I go. My thoughts and prayers are with their family and friends. RIP both of you and I hope you are at peace together[/p][/quote]I agree 100%. This is a very sad story, and it can be "spun" in many ways, but the bottom line is that here you have two elderly people, each of whom has the other as his/her life's companion, and the thought of losing that companion is increasingly terrifying as they grow older and more infirm. Their decision and actions are born out of incredible courage and love. Marianne Storey has a very difficult job to do, but really, to say that "this is exactly what Help and Care is here to try to prevent" is a typical social worker's comment which is so out of touch with the sad reality. May God rest their souls. Nigel Blumenthal

4:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Lucy Lastick says...

What does it say about modern Britain when jumping to your death is considered better than going into a care home?
What does it say about modern Britain when jumping to your death is considered better than going into a care home? Lucy Lastick

4:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

High Treason wrote:
Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.
Sorry but this is misinformed and downright wrong.

Local authotities pay around £435 per resident per week for a placement in a care home - a figured almost unchanged in a decade that has seen huge rises in energy and other business costs. At this level it is almost impossible for care homes to provide the level of care that they would like to provide, never mind give their staff a well deserved rise.

£435 a week sound a lot? or a rip off as you say? Try going into a hotel and tell them that you would like a 7-day stay, full board and additionally would like to be taken to the toilet 7 times a day + bathed and see how much they would charge!

If there is blame here, it is the governement and society at large for valuing the care of our elderly at such a low level.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.[/p][/quote]Sorry but this is misinformed and downright wrong. Local authotities pay around £435 per resident per week for a placement in a care home - a figured almost unchanged in a decade that has seen huge rises in energy and other business costs. At this level it is almost impossible for care homes to provide the level of care that they would like to provide, never mind give their staff a well deserved rise. £435 a week sound a lot? or a rip off as you say? Try going into a hotel and tell them that you would like a 7-day stay, full board and additionally would like to be taken to the toilet 7 times a day + bathed and see how much they would charge! If there is blame here, it is the governement and society at large for valuing the care of our elderly at such a low level. Brock_and_Roll

5:38pm Thu 5 Dec 13

phonehome says...

My thoughts & condolences to their family, friends & neighbours.

No doubt "Lessons will be learnt" -- Again.
My thoughts & condolences to their family, friends & neighbours. No doubt "Lessons will be learnt" -- Again. phonehome

6:07pm Thu 5 Dec 13

O'Reilly says...

How very sad. Poor souls...
How very sad. Poor souls... O'Reilly

6:09pm Thu 5 Dec 13

O'Reilly says...

I also might add - can you blame them being fearful after all the horror stories we read and the prosecutions against said 'Care Homes'....a misnomer if ever I heard one.
I also might add - can you blame them being fearful after all the horror stories we read and the prosecutions against said 'Care Homes'....a misnomer if ever I heard one. O'Reilly

6:14pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Carolyn43 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
High Treason wrote:
Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.
Sorry but this is misinformed and downright wrong.

Local authotities pay around £435 per resident per week for a placement in a care home - a figured almost unchanged in a decade that has seen huge rises in energy and other business costs. At this level it is almost impossible for care homes to provide the level of care that they would like to provide, never mind give their staff a well deserved rise.

£435 a week sound a lot? or a rip off as you say? Try going into a hotel and tell them that you would like a 7-day stay, full board and additionally would like to be taken to the toilet 7 times a day + bathed and see how much they would charge!

If there is blame here, it is the governement and society at large for valuing the care of our elderly at such a low level.
Local authorities might pay around £435 a week, but if you pay for yourself it's more like £650 plus, with part of what you pay subsidising those paid for by the council. I know from experience.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.[/p][/quote]Sorry but this is misinformed and downright wrong. Local authotities pay around £435 per resident per week for a placement in a care home - a figured almost unchanged in a decade that has seen huge rises in energy and other business costs. At this level it is almost impossible for care homes to provide the level of care that they would like to provide, never mind give their staff a well deserved rise. £435 a week sound a lot? or a rip off as you say? Try going into a hotel and tell them that you would like a 7-day stay, full board and additionally would like to be taken to the toilet 7 times a day + bathed and see how much they would charge! If there is blame here, it is the governement and society at large for valuing the care of our elderly at such a low level.[/p][/quote]Local authorities might pay around £435 a week, but if you pay for yourself it's more like £650 plus, with part of what you pay subsidising those paid for by the council. I know from experience. Carolyn43

6:16pm Thu 5 Dec 13

andydd says...

That is how things are in this country now,From the failing of the banking system.Hard working people on low income fall into the trap not enough money to pay all the bills. Genuine sick people made to look bad in the eyes of the general public for daring to claim benefit. Cameron and his cronies only want people with around £200,000 in the bank and a very good wage.Whatever party is in charge in the future things wont change now.For the old poor and sick its terrible times ahead,plus people having to choose between eating or staying warm. My heart bleeds for that couple,what is this country becoming when we cant help our own.
That is how things are in this country now,From the failing of the banking system.Hard working people on low income fall into the trap not enough money to pay all the bills. Genuine sick people made to look bad in the eyes of the general public for daring to claim benefit. Cameron and his cronies only want people with around £200,000 in the bank and a very good wage.Whatever party is in charge in the future things wont change now.For the old poor and sick its terrible times ahead,plus people having to choose between eating or staying warm. My heart bleeds for that couple,what is this country becoming when we cant help our own. andydd

6:18pm Thu 5 Dec 13

GAHmusic says...

My Father recently passed away at 89 and unfortunately it is a simple fact of life that for many, if not all, a long life can become a curse. This is nobodies fault, not family, not social services age can take away what we hold so dear in life, our family, our friends, our movement, our sight, hearing even our dignity to the point that no one can change that, what matters is how you live your life to that point. May they rest in peace now.
My Father recently passed away at 89 and unfortunately it is a simple fact of life that for many, if not all, a long life can become a curse. This is nobodies fault, not family, not social services age can take away what we hold so dear in life, our family, our friends, our movement, our sight, hearing even our dignity to the point that no one can change that, what matters is how you live your life to that point. May they rest in peace now. GAHmusic

6:21pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Carolyn43 says...

This is a desperately sad story. For many older people pride is the most important thing, and asking for help is the last thing they would do. Just how does Marianne Storey think her organisation could have made life better for this couple? I can't think of any way.
This is a desperately sad story. For many older people pride is the most important thing, and asking for help is the last thing they would do. Just how does Marianne Storey think her organisation could have made life better for this couple? I can't think of any way. Carolyn43

6:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

He Touched So Many...... says...

Lucy Lastick wrote:
What does it say about modern Britain when jumping to your death is considered better than going into a care home?
ABSOLUTELY AGREE! There are some real bullies embedded in the local services too who try to reduce their own workloads by giving highly misleading information ...many elderly still don't know they have a choice in the matter nowadays and get really scared by them ....
[quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: What does it say about modern Britain when jumping to your death is considered better than going into a care home?[/p][/quote]ABSOLUTELY AGREE! There are some real bullies embedded in the local services too who try to reduce their own workloads by giving highly misleading information ...many elderly still don't know they have a choice in the matter nowadays and get really scared by them .... He Touched So Many......

6:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

chridrum says...

muscliffman wrote:
It does seem possible that they chose to leave this world under their own terms - I have nothing but respect for them if this was the case.
I t does seem that way but it's very sad that people have to resort to jumping off balconies to end a life that has become too difficult.
A devoted couple who died together and can be at peace, yes I admire them too but it is a sad reflection on our society.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: It does seem possible that they chose to leave this world under their own terms - I have nothing but respect for them if this was the case.[/p][/quote]I t does seem that way but it's very sad that people have to resort to jumping off balconies to end a life that has become too difficult. A devoted couple who died together and can be at peace, yes I admire them too but it is a sad reflection on our society. chridrum

6:36pm Thu 5 Dec 13

He Touched So Many...... says...

And can I say that ANYONE can fin out about volunteering for the Silver Line service, on 0800 470 8090..if you have time to spare and want to help empower the generation who built this country up for us from the wreckage of WW2......why they are at the back of the queue for everything in this country is a complete mystery.
And can I say that ANYONE can fin out about volunteering for the Silver Line service, on 0800 470 8090..if you have time to spare and want to help empower the generation who built this country up for us from the wreckage of WW2......why they are at the back of the queue for everything [including defence of their Human Rights] in this country is a complete mystery. He Touched So Many......

6:59pm Thu 5 Dec 13

TheDistrict says...

We know that those with savings pay for care. May I say also, those without savings also pay for care, maybe not as much, but nevertheless they pay. They pay in the form of their hard earned pensions. I know this, as my mother was in care, and her pension was given for her care, with about £10 for herself. Even after she passed away we had to find money to complete payments. The elderly are treated disgustingly by the Care System, the Government and the BUS. A neighbour who was cared for, also paid from his pension for the care he received. This was when he was living in the flats near to me and when he went into care. It is sad that people like this loving couple felt it better to take this course of ending their lives as one. RIP.
We know that those with savings pay for care. May I say also, those without savings also pay for care, maybe not as much, but nevertheless they pay. They pay in the form of their hard earned pensions. I know this, as my mother was in care, and her pension was given for her care, with about £10 for herself. Even after she passed away we had to find money to complete payments. The elderly are treated disgustingly by the Care System, the Government and the BUS. A neighbour who was cared for, also paid from his pension for the care he received. This was when he was living in the flats near to me and when he went into care. It is sad that people like this loving couple felt it better to take this course of ending their lives as one. RIP. TheDistrict

7:01pm Thu 5 Dec 13

TheDistrict says...

The word BUS should read NHS.

Apologies.
The word BUS should read NHS. Apologies. TheDistrict

7:01pm Thu 5 Dec 13

andydd says...

He Touched So Many...... wrote:
And can I say that ANYONE can fin out about volunteering for the Silver Line service, on 0800 470 8090..if you have time to spare and want to help empower the generation who built this country up for us from the wreckage of WW2......why they are at the back of the queue for everything in this country is a complete mystery.
Very well said.
[quote][p][bold]He Touched So Many......[/bold] wrote: And can I say that ANYONE can fin out about volunteering for the Silver Line service, on 0800 470 8090..if you have time to spare and want to help empower the generation who built this country up for us from the wreckage of WW2......why they are at the back of the queue for everything [including defence of their Human Rights] in this country is a complete mystery.[/p][/quote]Very well said. andydd

7:36pm Thu 5 Dec 13

VeronikaJolova says...

I would do the same thing rather than go in a care home ! England has no care from Family to Children apart from How much is left ! this is usually when the family members turn up who couldn't care less when the people were alive .... Sad that the once great UK is ruled by greed and nothing else
I would do the same thing rather than go in a care home ! England has no care from Family to Children apart from How much is left ! this is usually when the family members turn up who couldn't care less when the people were alive .... Sad that the once great UK is ruled by greed and nothing else VeronikaJolova

8:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

VeronikaJolova says...

I think England would like a Logan's Run type thing !! ,.. People get what they want and people don't want to be bothered by the old and sick !! At least English people don't ,.. People now are numbers not real people ! These two were real people to each other - God bless them
I think England would like a Logan's Run type thing !! ,.. People get what they want and people don't want to be bothered by the old and sick !! At least English people don't ,.. People now are numbers not real people ! These two were real people to each other - God bless them VeronikaJolova

9:33pm Thu 5 Dec 13

West Howe Sean says...

Most carers are paid minimum wage, and it is difficult to keep and recruit good staff.
I don't understand why the "You get what you pay for rule" does not apply to care staff.
I doubt if many people reading this would be able to pay rent, travel costs etc and support themselves on minimum wage. So they will always be looking to earn more elsewhere.
We need to pay carers proper money so they can enjoy a decent standard of living and remain a carer.
It seems we don't have values any more
Most carers are paid minimum wage, and it is difficult to keep and recruit good staff. I don't understand why the "You get what you pay for rule" does not apply to care staff. I doubt if many people reading this would be able to pay rent, travel costs etc and support themselves on minimum wage. So they will always be looking to earn more elsewhere. We need to pay carers proper money so they can enjoy a decent standard of living and remain a carer. It seems we don't have values any more West Howe Sean

10:44pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Wageslave says...

How sad that this couple felt this was the only option, but if one had died before the other the survivor would have been totally lost It is extremely sad but who knows how desperate they felt to stay together. God bless them both.
How sad that this couple felt this was the only option, but if one had died before the other the survivor would have been totally lost It is extremely sad but who knows how desperate they felt to stay together. God bless them both. Wageslave

11:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

scrumpyjack says...

TheDistrict wrote:
We know that those with savings pay for care. May I say also, those without savings also pay for care, maybe not as much, but nevertheless they pay. They pay in the form of their hard earned pensions. I know this, as my mother was in care, and her pension was given for her care, with about £10 for herself. Even after she passed away we had to find money to complete payments. The elderly are treated disgustingly by the Care System, the Government and the BUS. A neighbour who was cared for, also paid from his pension for the care he received. This was when he was living in the flats near to me and when he went into care. It is sad that people like this loving couple felt it better to take this course of ending their lives as one. RIP.
To some who are using this incedent of the two desperately sad death to have a moan about their parents having to contribute something to their care costs I might point out the following.....

People who have not managed to earn their own pension (other than the small contribution to the State Pension), or build any savings, or have not managed to have bought and paid for their own home will be expected to give up most of their small state pension to meet the cost of housing, feeding, health care, moral wellbeing that may be the family cannot to fund or maybe are unable or unwilling to do. The good news is they are left with some spending money to cover their toiletries and other things like having their hair done or a day out.

Those who have managed to build some savings, buy a home, worked and paid into a pension to create a pension above the State Pension, inherited some money and saved money from what their parents managed to pass on will be expected to pretty much fully fund their care.


Have I spelt 'reality check' correctly?
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: We know that those with savings pay for care. May I say also, those without savings also pay for care, maybe not as much, but nevertheless they pay. They pay in the form of their hard earned pensions. I know this, as my mother was in care, and her pension was given for her care, with about £10 for herself. Even after she passed away we had to find money to complete payments. The elderly are treated disgustingly by the Care System, the Government and the BUS. A neighbour who was cared for, also paid from his pension for the care he received. This was when he was living in the flats near to me and when he went into care. It is sad that people like this loving couple felt it better to take this course of ending their lives as one. RIP.[/p][/quote]To some who are using this incedent of the two desperately sad death to have a moan about their parents having to contribute something to their care costs I might point out the following..... People who have not managed to earn their own pension (other than the small contribution to the State Pension), or build any savings, or have not managed to have bought and paid for their own home will be expected to give up most of their small state pension to meet the cost of housing, feeding, health care, moral wellbeing that may be the family cannot to fund or maybe are unable or unwilling to do. The good news is they are left with some spending money to cover their toiletries and other things like having their hair done or a day out. Those who have managed to build some savings, buy a home, worked and paid into a pension to create a pension above the State Pension, inherited some money and saved money from what their parents managed to pass on will be expected to pretty much fully fund their care. Have I spelt 'reality check' correctly? scrumpyjack

12:01am Fri 6 Dec 13

BIGTONE says...

“If an older person is desperate or lonely or feels they really have nowhere to turn we can help.


Well David and the posh boys certainly won't.
“If an older person is desperate or lonely or feels they really have nowhere to turn we can help. Well David and the posh boys certainly won't. BIGTONE

1:15am Fri 6 Dec 13

billd766 says...

I live in Thailand and I have a Thai wife, son and my wife's Thai family. When we built our house 19 years ago we also built another small house some 20 metres away from ours especially for my wifes parents when they get old and need help.

Her Mum moved in about 3 years ago but her Dad is a bit fitter and still lives in Bangkok keeping an eye on her youngest brother who is a casualty of drug addiction but is clean but is clean now.

In Thailand there is NO state funded care homes and the average pension is about £10 a week though hospital visits and medical care is only about 60 pence a visit up to and including surgery. State hospital care quality varies depending on where you live.

My wife told me before we married that she would want to support her parents through old age and death and I have always supported her in that. It is a trdaition in Thailand which is slowly dying out.

I have wondered many times why in the west people grow up and leave their homes and parents behind and fail even to visit or sometimes keep in contact with their parents until it is too late.
I live in Thailand and I have a Thai wife, son and my wife's Thai family. When we built our house 19 years ago we also built another small house some 20 metres away from ours especially for my wifes parents when they get old and need help. Her Mum moved in about 3 years ago but her Dad is a bit fitter and still lives in Bangkok keeping an eye on her youngest brother who is a casualty of drug addiction but is clean but is clean now. In Thailand there is NO state funded care homes and the average pension is about £10 a week though hospital visits and medical care is only about 60 pence a visit up to and including surgery. State hospital care quality varies depending on where you live. My wife told me before we married that she would want to support her parents through old age and death and I have always supported her in that. It is a trdaition in Thailand which is slowly dying out. I have wondered many times why in the west people grow up and leave their homes and parents behind and fail even to visit or sometimes keep in contact with their parents until it is too late. billd766

4:07am Fri 6 Dec 13

textsami says...

l don't know about Christianity but in my faith if you commit a suicide you go straight to hell so for i would choose to go to care home
l don't know about Christianity but in my faith if you commit a suicide you go straight to hell so for i would choose to go to care home textsami

8:41am Fri 6 Dec 13

smhinto says...

High Treason wrote:
Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.
I whole heartedly agree with you. The state of care homes and the care for the elderly is an absolute abomidable disgrace. Bless them both.
[quote][p][bold]High Treason[/bold] wrote: Their actions just about sum up the quality and care the elderly get in a care home. They charge rip off fees with the minimum of care from minimum wage staff. Like myself reading the cases of abuse in care homes they must have felt frightened at the though of having to go into one. Governments have turned the care of the elderly into a money making scam and the NHS is going the same way.[/p][/quote]I whole heartedly agree with you. The state of care homes and the care for the elderly is an absolute abomidable disgrace. Bless them both. smhinto

12:33pm Sat 7 Dec 13

downmoor-ch63 says...

textsami wrote:
l don't know about Christianity but in my faith if you commit a suicide you go straight to hell so for i would choose to go to care home
Surely that cant be a Faith, bearing in mind, you are at the moment not in the same situation as they were, perhaps, and I say perhaps, what would you do in a similar position, age, illness or for any other reason, one thing I am sure of, neither my God or faith would send me to Hell.
[quote][p][bold]textsami[/bold] wrote: l don't know about Christianity but in my faith if you commit a suicide you go straight to hell so for i would choose to go to care home[/p][/quote]Surely that cant be a Faith, bearing in mind, you are at the moment not in the same situation as they were, perhaps, and I say perhaps, what would you do in a similar position, age, illness or for any other reason, one thing I am sure of, neither my God or faith would send me to Hell. downmoor-ch63

12:10am Sun 8 Dec 13

billd766 says...

textsami wrote:
l don't know about Christianity but in my faith if you commit a suicide you go straight to hell so for i would choose to go to care home
Fortunately for me I am no longer a believer in any particular religeon. Most religeons today that theirs is the one true religeon with the one true "GOD" whilst crying down the others as "false Gods" and prophets. Even within many religeons there are different sects saying the same thing.
I have lived among Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc in my 69 years and most say the same thing. We are better than you and our "God" is the greatest and the best.
Either they are all correct which means that they are all equal or perhaps one is right and the others are wrong or perhaps they are all wrong.
I do believe that there IS something out there but what it is I have no idea. If you are religeous then the best of luck to you. When you die you will find out if you were right or wrong but it might be a bit late then.
[quote][p][bold]textsami[/bold] wrote: l don't know about Christianity but in my faith if you commit a suicide you go straight to hell so for i would choose to go to care home[/p][/quote]Fortunately for me I am no longer a believer in any particular religeon. Most religeons today that theirs is the one true religeon with the one true "GOD" whilst crying down the others as "false Gods" and prophets. Even within many religeons there are different sects saying the same thing. I have lived among Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists etc in my 69 years and most say the same thing. We are better than you and our "God" is the greatest and the best. Either they are all correct which means that they are all equal or perhaps one is right and the others are wrong or perhaps they are all wrong. I do believe that there IS something out there but what it is I have no idea. If you are religeous then the best of luck to you. When you die you will find out if you were right or wrong but it might be a bit late then. billd766

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