Cycle path plan for Christchurch 'sheer madness'

Chris Hopkins, chairman of the Somerford Community Partnership

Chris Hopkins, chairman of the Somerford Community Partnership

First published in News

PLANS to install a cycle way in Christchurch costing nearly £246,000 have been described as “madness”.

Work to create a purpose built off-road foot and cycleway along the length of Somerford Road between Purewell and Somerford roundabouts have been proposed by Dorset County Council.

The £246,000 route is an initiative under the Department for Transport-funded Three Towns Corridor scheme – a £12.1million project to make it easier for people in Christchurch, Bourn-emouth and Poole to get around using bikes or by foot.

The cost of the Christchurch initiatives total £905,000.

The Somerford route is designed to follow the grass verge in front of the houses, which sit along the service road.

Chris Hopkins, chairman of the Somerford Community Partner-ship said: “It’s sheer madness. There has been no meaningful consultation with residents. How can they demonstrate this is needed?

“Roads around Somerford are littered with pot holes, these need sorting before anything else is done.”

She added: “For some years the community has been asking for more parking to be made available by the shops.

“But we have constantly been told this was impossible due to lack of funds and services laid under the green.

“Clearly this should be a priority and hopefully we will be able to meet in the near future with Dorset Highways to discuss our concerns.”

Grange ward councillor Denise Jones agreed it was a waste of money. She said she would rather see other facilities on the estate.

County councillor David Jones, who represents Grange ward, said: “There is absolutely no need to spend this amount of money – a quarter of a million pounds – constructing a cycle way on Somerford Road.

“I am completely opposed to this. In this economic climate I would be very, very careful about spending people’s money on a bike lane, which is not needed.

“If officers want to stop the road being used as a rat run, other measures would be much more effective – and cheaper.”

 

'We are happy to discuss residents' issues'

DORSET County Council management engineer Andrew Bradley said: “All the Christchurch elements of the project featured in an exhibition for borough councillors and the public held at Christchurch Civic Offices last summer, and the plans were also available to view at the library.


“We have also held meetings with local county councillors to discuss the proposals and listen to any concerns they have.
 

“The local residents association has recently been in contact and we will be happy to meet with its representatives to discuss any issues they have with the Somerford scheme.”


The plans for the cycleway route can be seen online at dorsetforyou.com/highway improvements.

 

OTHER Christchurch initiatives proposed under the scheme include:
 

• The introduction of traffic lights at the Stour Road/Bargates junction, £101,000;
 

• Upgrading traffic signals at Stony Lane, Purewell junction, £174,000;
 

• Link existing cycle lanes along Barrack Road, £153,000;
 

• Introduction of traffic lights either side of Stony Lane railway bridge, £141,000;
 

• A safe route from Burton village along Salisbury Road to The Grange School, £90,000.

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5:38pm Thu 31 Jan 13

uvox44 says...

yes providing safe means to encourage people to use a healthy and ecological mode of transport when the money could be spent on parking places and filling in potholes - how crazy!!
yes providing safe means to encourage people to use a healthy and ecological mode of transport when the money could be spent on parking places and filling in potholes - how crazy!! uvox44
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6:07pm Thu 31 Jan 13

mysticalshoelace says...

As usual too much money being wasted on schemes, grants and 'initiatives' instead of money being spent where it's actually needed!
As usual too much money being wasted on schemes, grants and 'initiatives' instead of money being spent where it's actually needed! mysticalshoelace
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6:28pm Thu 31 Jan 13

ShuttleX says...

I can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but I agree with the Council. The route in no way affects the living standards of local residents. It Keeps cyclists and cars away from each other, a good thing for both parties. It will also make it safer and easier for cyclists to get up to Somerford roundabout. Those who are saying the money should be spent on potholes, parking spaces etc are missing the point. If it is not used the way the Government says it should be, then the money will just dissapear. This is not local tax payers council tax money, but extra given by central Government. Whilst i do not ride a bike, and have little time for all this "get the population healthy" rubbish, I do not want to see cyclists getting knocked over by drivers who really shouldn't be on the road. And that includes the Yellowbus driver of the 1c yesterday who was about 6" away from the cyclist in front, obviously trying to panic him into getting off the road. I know there are bad cyclists, but it still doesn't make it right.I would rather have this design then just a few white lines painted on the exsisitng road which cyclists seem to totally ignore.
I can't believe I'm actually going to say this, but I agree with the Council. The route in no way affects the living standards of local residents. It Keeps cyclists and cars away from each other, a good thing for both parties. It will also make it safer and easier for cyclists to get up to Somerford roundabout. Those who are saying the money should be spent on potholes, parking spaces etc are missing the point. If it is not used the way the Government says it should be, then the money will just dissapear. This is not local tax payers council tax money, but extra given by central Government. Whilst i do not ride a bike, and have little time for all this "get the population healthy" rubbish, I do not want to see cyclists getting knocked over by drivers who really shouldn't be on the road. And that includes the Yellowbus driver of the 1c yesterday who was about 6" away from the cyclist in front, obviously trying to panic him into getting off the road. I know there are bad cyclists, but it still doesn't make it right.I would rather have this design then just a few white lines painted on the exsisitng road which cyclists seem to totally ignore. ShuttleX
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6:39pm Thu 31 Jan 13

mudefordguy says...

We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset. mudefordguy
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6:49pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Hessenford says...

mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.
[quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it. Hessenford
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7:59pm Thu 31 Jan 13

elaine191261 says...

I used to live along somerford road (service road),why can't they ride along on the road there ,not much traffic goes along there ,save the money then ,or am I missing the point here ?
I used to live along somerford road (service road),why can't they ride along on the road there ,not much traffic goes along there ,save the money then ,or am I missing the point here ? elaine191261
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8:11pm Thu 31 Jan 13

West moors 1 says...

Wow, has the country's deficit been fully paid up or have the powers that be gone completely stupid. You can tell its not their own money or they wouldn't be so careless with it!
Wow, has the country's deficit been fully paid up or have the powers that be gone completely stupid. You can tell its not their own money or they wouldn't be so careless with it! West moors 1
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8:12pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Brian Badonde says...

Hessenford wrote:
mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.
They do pay for it.

It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay.

There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything.

I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.[/p][/quote]They do pay for it. It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay. There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything. I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different. Brian Badonde
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8:48pm Thu 31 Jan 13

Glashen says...

I do occasionally cycle along the service road, I really can't see any point in adding a cycle path alongside. Maybe the beginning and end could be improved, but there are far more worthwhile cycle projects in Christchurch, a cycle path along Purewell cross road and along the east side of the dual carriage into Christchurch would be one and if you want something more ambitious a foot and cycle bridge up river of Tuckton bridge.
I do occasionally cycle along the service road, I really can't see any point in adding a cycle path alongside. Maybe the beginning and end could be improved, but there are far more worthwhile cycle projects in Christchurch, a cycle path along Purewell cross road and along the east side of the dual carriage into Christchurch would be one and if you want something more ambitious a foot and cycle bridge up river of Tuckton bridge. Glashen
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10:24pm Thu 31 Jan 13

tim m says...

Motorists will wind up parking in the bike lane anyway, so I don't know why the councillor's complaining.
Motorists will wind up parking in the bike lane anyway, so I don't know why the councillor's complaining. tim m
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7:50am Fri 1 Feb 13

Echoman007 says...

As someone who now lives in a cycling friendly and pedestrian friendly country I have certainly had my eyes opened to the British car culture. An investment like this in Zurich where I am today would it just be welcomed by the community but come from the community (but then in this culture we also have no school run as children take the bus, walk or cycle to school). I would not be so arrogant to impose this thinking back on the Christchurch community rather I would simply say to those so besotted by their cars to open their minds to the possibility that there may be another more healthy and more community friendly way.

I am amazed that Chris Hopkins has not thought about this more carefully before coming out so clearly and negatively in favour or potholes over cyclists. Has she not even thought of the possibility of all those "fact finding" visits that could be made to investigate.

As for the uproar about the costs. Doesn't this need to be put into perspective in terms of the small drop in the ocean this represents.

PS. Dear Echo. Nice grumpy picture again, but surely the normal "arms folded" pose is lost by the close up!
As someone who now lives in a cycling friendly and pedestrian friendly country I have certainly had my eyes opened to the British car culture. An investment like this in Zurich where I am today would it just be welcomed by the community but come from the community (but then in this culture we also have no school run as children take the bus, walk or cycle to school). I would not be so arrogant to impose this thinking back on the Christchurch community rather I would simply say to those so besotted by their cars to open their minds to the possibility that there may be another more healthy and more community friendly way. I am amazed that Chris Hopkins has not thought about this more carefully before coming out so clearly and negatively in favour or potholes over cyclists. Has she not even thought of the possibility of all those "fact finding" visits that could be made to investigate. As for the uproar about the costs. Doesn't this need to be put into perspective in terms of the small drop in the ocean this represents. PS. Dear Echo. Nice grumpy picture again, but surely the normal "arms folded" pose is lost by the close up! Echoman007
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10:26am Fri 1 Feb 13

agp1337 says...

I agree that cyclists pay taxes, but these are the same ones that non-cyclists pay! I'd be a lot more sympathetic if cyclists thought of others. Highcliffe, a couple of weeks ago: Cyclist on road, lights change to red. Doesn't slow down, but zooms onto pavement with pedestrians - some elderly - and cycles across the junction and on to the pavement again. Ridiculous speed and incredible arrogance. I admit I sounded my horn at him, but all I got was the finger! If cyclists would only behave, it would help their cause.
I agree that cyclists pay taxes, but these are the same ones that non-cyclists pay! I'd be a lot more sympathetic if cyclists thought of others. Highcliffe, a couple of weeks ago: Cyclist on road, lights change to red. Doesn't slow down, but zooms onto pavement with pedestrians - some elderly - and cycles across the junction and on to the pavement again. Ridiculous speed and incredible arrogance. I admit I sounded my horn at him, but all I got was the finger! If cyclists would only behave, it would help their cause. agp1337
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11:33am Fri 1 Feb 13

Hessenford says...

Brian Badonde wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.
They do pay for it.

It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay.

There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything.

I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.
We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.
[quote][p][bold]Brian Badonde[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.[/p][/quote]They do pay for it. It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay. There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything. I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.[/p][/quote]We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us. Hessenford
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12:25pm Fri 1 Feb 13

scrumpyjack says...

mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
'not fewer'
[quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]'not fewer' scrumpyjack
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12:52pm Fri 1 Feb 13

scrumpyjack says...

Hessenford wrote:
Brian Badonde wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.
They do pay for it.

It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay.

There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything.

I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.
We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.
Oh behave.

How many cyclists also own cars? I would say most of them.

I don't have children but my tax goes to schools, I don't use the library, leisure centre, parks and gardens, bowling greens, municipal golf courses, meals on wheels, community centres and on and on but do I ever get a tax rebate?

Your 'argument' is pure nonsense and at best a worn out cliche.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian Badonde[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.[/p][/quote]They do pay for it. It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay. There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything. I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.[/p][/quote]We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.[/p][/quote]Oh behave. How many cyclists also own cars? I would say most of them. I don't have children but my tax goes to schools, I don't use the library, leisure centre, parks and gardens, bowling greens, municipal golf courses, meals on wheels, community centres and on and on but do I ever get a tax rebate? Your 'argument' is pure nonsense and at best a worn out cliche. scrumpyjack
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1:05pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Professor Zaroff says...

agp1337 wrote:
I agree that cyclists pay taxes, but these are the same ones that non-cyclists pay! I'd be a lot more sympathetic if cyclists thought of others. Highcliffe, a couple of weeks ago: Cyclist on road, lights change to red. Doesn't slow down, but zooms onto pavement with pedestrians - some elderly - and cycles across the junction and on to the pavement again. Ridiculous speed and incredible arrogance. I admit I sounded my horn at him, but all I got was the finger! If cyclists would only behave, it would help their cause.
agp1337 wrote:
"I agree that cyclists pay taxes, but these are the same ones that non-cyclists pay!"

And non-motorists.
[quote][p][bold]agp1337[/bold] wrote: I agree that cyclists pay taxes, but these are the same ones that non-cyclists pay! I'd be a lot more sympathetic if cyclists thought of others. Highcliffe, a couple of weeks ago: Cyclist on road, lights change to red. Doesn't slow down, but zooms onto pavement with pedestrians - some elderly - and cycles across the junction and on to the pavement again. Ridiculous speed and incredible arrogance. I admit I sounded my horn at him, but all I got was the finger! If cyclists would only behave, it would help their cause.[/p][/quote]agp1337 wrote: "I agree that cyclists pay taxes, but these are the same ones that non-cyclists pay!" And non-motorists. Professor Zaroff
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1:43pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Repo says...

Hessenford wrote:
Brian Badonde wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.
They do pay for it.

It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay.

There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything.

I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.
We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.
I do actually display a VED tax disc on my push bike: Based on the same emissions criteria as a Kia Picanto, Fiat 500 and Volkswagen Polo - it tells everyone how much I owe the government = £0.00. So eat that !
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian Badonde[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.[/p][/quote]They do pay for it. It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay. There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything. I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.[/p][/quote]We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.[/p][/quote]I do actually display a VED tax disc on my push bike: Based on the same emissions criteria as a Kia Picanto, Fiat 500 and Volkswagen Polo - it tells everyone how much I owe the government = £0.00. So eat that ! Repo
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4:43pm Fri 1 Feb 13

mytown1 says...

In an ideal world it would be nice to have everything organised and sensible, but, alas, it is not. To put traffic lights on either side of the bridge at Burton will cause even more chaos with "stack back traffic" this roundabout is busy enough without adding more restrictions. A more detailed plan is required to sort out this busy junction. As far as Somerford is concerened a reduction in the 40mph speed limit is required first. This is more about the money that has been "raked"in from developers and the new supermarket at the top of Somerford Road, and perhaps indeed the link up for Roeshot Hill development of over 2,000+ houses.
In an ideal world it would be nice to have everything organised and sensible, but, alas, it is not. To put traffic lights on either side of the bridge at Burton will cause even more chaos with "stack back traffic" this roundabout is busy enough without adding more restrictions. A more detailed plan is required to sort out this busy junction. As far as Somerford is concerened a reduction in the 40mph speed limit is required first. This is more about the money that has been "raked"in from developers and the new supermarket at the top of Somerford Road, and perhaps indeed the link up for Roeshot Hill development of over 2,000+ houses. mytown1
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5:22pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Do U know what Ur talking about? says...

Who does this woman represent? Obviously not any of the Somerford residents who own a bike. So many cyclists are killed on the roads by inconsiderate drivers it makes me furious that selfish, tiny minded individuals like this NIMBY complain about a few thousand pounds that might well save someone's life
Who does this woman represent? Obviously not any of the Somerford residents who own a bike. So many cyclists are killed on the roads by inconsiderate drivers it makes me furious that selfish, tiny minded individuals like this NIMBY complain about a few thousand pounds that might well save someone's life Do U know what Ur talking about?
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5:26pm Fri 1 Feb 13

Do U know what Ur talking about? says...

mysticalshoelace wrote:
As usual too much money being wasted on schemes, grants and 'initiatives' instead of money being spent where it's actually needed!
Yes wasting money on saving cyclists from the choice of death or injury on the roads or breaking the law and riding on the pavement
[quote][p][bold]mysticalshoelace[/bold] wrote: As usual too much money being wasted on schemes, grants and 'initiatives' instead of money being spent where it's actually needed![/p][/quote]Yes wasting money on saving cyclists from the choice of death or injury on the roads or breaking the law and riding on the pavement Do U know what Ur talking about?
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12:17pm Sat 2 Feb 13

agp1337 says...

Repo wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
Brian Badonde wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
mudefordguy wrote:
We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.
Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.
They do pay for it.

It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay.

There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything.

I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.
We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.
I do actually display a VED tax disc on my push bike: Based on the same emissions criteria as a Kia Picanto, Fiat 500 and Volkswagen Polo - it tells everyone how much I owe the government = £0.00. So eat that !
Indeed. However, we pay a fortune in tax on petrol and have to buy insurance! What do cyclists pay, except the 20% VAT on purchase - as we do with our cars?
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brian Badonde[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mudefordguy[/bold] wrote: We need more cycle ways, not less - I don't see why people are so upset.[/p][/quote]Mainly because schemes such as this comes out of the tax I pay into this greedy country, if cyclists want their own roads then start taxing them to pay for it.[/p][/quote]They do pay for it. It's called income tax, national insurance, council tax, VAT and countless other taxes we all have to pay. There are no ring-fenced taxes, they all go into one enormous pot that pays for everything. I never use a train, but my taxes are used to subsidise rail transport. Cycle lanes are no different.[/p][/quote]We all pay the same taxes but for the privilege of using or parking my car on a public road I have to pay vehicle excise duty and obtain valid insurance, neither of which the two wheeled demons have to pay yet so much money is spent on them that could be better spent else where, if cyclists want their own roads then they should contribute some cost instead of freeloading on the back of the rest of us.[/p][/quote]I do actually display a VED tax disc on my push bike: Based on the same emissions criteria as a Kia Picanto, Fiat 500 and Volkswagen Polo - it tells everyone how much I owe the government = £0.00. So eat that ![/p][/quote]Indeed. However, we pay a fortune in tax on petrol and have to buy insurance! What do cyclists pay, except the 20% VAT on purchase - as we do with our cars? agp1337
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12:24pm Sat 2 Feb 13

agp1337 says...

Do U know what Ur talking about? wrote:
mysticalshoelace wrote:
As usual too much money being wasted on schemes, grants and 'initiatives' instead of money being spent where it's actually needed!
Yes wasting money on saving cyclists from the choice of death or injury on the roads or breaking the law and riding on the pavement
Quite right - or it would be if cyclists actually learned:
a) How to ride properly, observing the Highway Code as other road users do ;
b) Not to ride on pavements - probably OK for young kids, though;
c) To wear high-visibility clothing and use lights at night;
d) Not to suddenly veer from the pavement into the road and vice versa;
e) Look behind when turning right;
f) Not think that they own the road! Look at the incident in Bournemouth recently when a cyclist sped to a zebra crossing with an elderly person on it, and thought he had a right to behave like that.
By the way, filling in the potholes would make cycling safer, more than an unnecessary cycle path would!
[quote][p][bold]Do U know what Ur talking about?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mysticalshoelace[/bold] wrote: As usual too much money being wasted on schemes, grants and 'initiatives' instead of money being spent where it's actually needed![/p][/quote]Yes wasting money on saving cyclists from the choice of death or injury on the roads or breaking the law and riding on the pavement[/p][/quote]Quite right - or it would be if cyclists actually learned: a) How to ride properly, observing the Highway Code as other road users do ; b) Not to ride on pavements - probably OK for young kids, though; c) To wear high-visibility clothing and use lights at night; d) Not to suddenly veer from the pavement into the road and vice versa; e) Look behind when turning right; f) Not think that they own the road! Look at the incident in Bournemouth recently when a cyclist sped to a zebra crossing with an elderly person on it, and thought he had a right to behave like that. By the way, filling in the potholes would make cycling safer, more than an unnecessary cycle path would! agp1337
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2:11pm Sun 3 Feb 13

Muddyford Mick says...

I am interested in the comments about the cycle path and wondered why none of the commentators have been noting that the issue isn't about cyclists, or slagging off cyclists, but is about wasting public money.
I am interested in the comments about the cycle path and wondered why none of the commentators have been noting that the issue isn't about cyclists, or slagging off cyclists, but is about wasting public money. Muddyford Mick
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3:38pm Tue 5 Feb 13

WOC says...

I agree that this is sheer madness! There is a road that runs parallel with Somerford Road which isn't used that much as everyone generally drives along Somerford Road, maybe the cyclists can use this road? To spend that amount on money on an unnecessary cycleway is lunacy. As for all the other 'initiatives' shown above I disagree with all but the last. I swear sometimes the council just have spare money laying about (OUR MONEY) that they just have to waste!!!!!
I agree that this is sheer madness! There is a road that runs parallel with Somerford Road which isn't used that much as everyone generally drives along Somerford Road, maybe the cyclists can use this road? To spend that amount on money on an unnecessary cycleway is lunacy. As for all the other 'initiatives' shown above I disagree with all but the last. I swear sometimes the council just have spare money laying about (OUR MONEY) that they just have to waste!!!!! WOC
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8:22pm Tue 5 Feb 13

elaine191261 says...

Just what I said earlier WOC,and agree with your end comments ,sheer madness as usual from the council, makes you wonder what planet they live on with their ideas for the town !!!!
Just what I said earlier WOC,and agree with your end comments ,sheer madness as usual from the council, makes you wonder what planet they live on with their ideas for the town !!!! elaine191261
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7:24pm Thu 7 Feb 13

skip_social_fiction says...

Dear Chancellor of the Exchequer,

I am pleased for the residents of Somerford, a small suburb of Christchurch, that they will be getting a cycleway, a quarter of a million pound project providing residents with a healthy alternative to the car.

I have been trying to raise money for a medical device that would save limbs and lives. In the short-term the project would provide employment for 5 people, and with global demand for our product souring due to the increasing rate of diabetes, the project could providing secure, interesting and worthwhile jobs for hundreds of people.

While Somerfords residents are cycling to work patients on dialysis will be forced to go through complex and life-changing procedures costing the NHS £35,000 per patient, a surgical procedure that could otherwise avoided by an innovative medical device costing £200.

Over the two years we have been trying to raise funds ‘quantitative easing’ has assisted the banks to increase the amount of money they are sat on and senior managers of failed banks have received bonuses for their performance that individually could have paid for this project.

Throughout your tenure of office the number of UK private equity funds providing investment for innovative early-stage businesses has gone from what was hundreds, to now just a handful, yet collectively those funds are sat on many billions of pounds.

After two years of trying we have, as yet, been unable to raise the full amount of money required to start the project. The cost of Somerford’s cycleway, together with the cost of installing 3 sets of traffic lights in the Borough, is roughly equal to the amount of money that would be required to save lives and limbs, save the NHS millions of pounds, and create long term employment for hundreds of people.

I am not qualified to question the priority of building a cycleway at a cost of £52.17 per resident, 25% of who are nearing retirement age. Having spent 2 fruitless years seeking funding for the project I do feel qualified to ask you Mr Osborne, have you got your priorities right ?

‘A Wealthier Emptiness’ ?
Dear Chancellor of the Exchequer, I am pleased for the residents of Somerford, a small suburb of Christchurch, that they will be getting a cycleway, a quarter of a million pound project providing residents with a healthy alternative to the car. I have been trying to raise money for a medical device that would save limbs and lives. In the short-term the project would provide employment for 5 people, and with global demand for our product souring due to the increasing rate of diabetes, the project could providing secure, interesting and worthwhile jobs for hundreds of people. While Somerfords residents are cycling to work patients on dialysis will be forced to go through complex and life-changing procedures costing the NHS £35,000 per patient, a surgical procedure that could otherwise avoided by an innovative medical device costing £200. Over the two years we have been trying to raise funds ‘quantitative easing’ has assisted the banks to increase the amount of money they are sat on and senior managers of failed banks have received bonuses for their performance that individually could have paid for this project. Throughout your tenure of office the number of UK private equity funds providing investment for innovative early-stage businesses has gone from what was hundreds, to now just a handful, yet collectively those funds are sat on many billions of pounds. After two years of trying we have, as yet, been unable to raise the full amount of money required to start the project. The cost of Somerford’s cycleway, together with the cost of installing 3 sets of traffic lights in the Borough, is roughly equal to the amount of money that would be required to save lives and limbs, save the NHS millions of pounds, and create long term employment for hundreds of people. I am not qualified to question the priority of building a cycleway at a cost of £52.17 per resident, 25% of who are nearing retirement age. Having spent 2 fruitless years seeking funding for the project I do feel qualified to ask you Mr Osborne, have you got your priorities right ? ‘A Wealthier Emptiness’ ? skip_social_fiction
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