County prepares for chaos as snow warning upgraded to amber

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  • Snow warning upgraded to amber, with up to 10cm possible in four hour burst
  • Hampshire Police are warning don't drive tomorrow morning
  • South West Trains are running a revised reduced service
  • Gritters are on standby
  • Advice, useful links, pictures and all the news at bournemouthecho.co.uk/snow
  • Poole Grammar, Winchelsea, Parkstone Grammar schools closed tomorrow

5:46pm

The Dorset Local Resilience Forum have put out a press release out urging the public to stay safe:

Chief Inspector Nicky Searle of Dorset Police and member of the Local Resilience Forum said: “Multi-agency partners are making preparations for the severe weather and have put in place contingency plans to maximise the level of service that can be provided across the county.

“Local authorities are invoking emergency planning arrangements and the emergency services are sharing resources and enlisting voluntary assistance to ensure vehicles and personnel stand the best chance of reaching those in need.

“We would encourage members of the public to stay safe by following our advice.”

Motorists are being advised not to drive in snow or icy conditions unless it is absolutely necessary.

If motorists have to drive, ensure the vehicle is roadworthy for the conditions – check tyres, windscreen washers and wipers, lights, petrol and oil levels and that the heater works.

Make sure that any snow or ice is cleared from the windscreen and other windows of the vehicle before driving and carry warm clothing, a blanket and a flask containing a hot drink incase your vehicle breaks down or you become stranded.

Members of the public are also being urged to ensure they stay healthy and well during the cold wintry weather. Make sure homes are well heated and check on elderly neighbours and relatives to make sure they are ok.

5:18pm

So, a last look at the forecast before we all go home to prepare for snowpocalypse.

Bournemouth: Snow forecast from about 6am until 2pm, with heavy snow from 9am. After that it's likely to turn to sleet. 

Poole: Heavy snow from 7am ish until 11am, when it should turn to sleet.

Ringwood and Verwood: Heavy snow all day

Blandford and Wimborne: Heavy snow from 6am until about 4pm, when it will lighten

Swanage: Heavy snow from 7am until 1pm, when it will tail off and turn to sleet.

West Dorset will have heavy snow from 6am until 2pm then light snow for the rest of the day.

Obviously this is all subject to change. But that's what the forecasts are saying. We'll be updating from about 6am to let you know the latest, unless anything happens before then, of course.

 

5:08pm

Poole Council have just given us their weather status update.

Simon Legg, Streetscene Manager, Borough of Poole, said: “Our four gritters are currently on standby to treat Poole’s priority road network ahead of tomorrow’s predicted snow.

“During any period of adverse weather our priority remains keeping our main highway network open. We would urge people using footpaths and roads in the borough to take extra care and to keep up to date with weather forecasts.”

 

• Borough of Poole currently has 1,000 tonnes of salt.
• 58 salt bins are provided in the borough

4:44pm

4:36pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Melanie.Read12 says

I think that the powers that be are damned if they do and damned if they don't here.
If they DON'T issue warnings, and prepare for potential disruption and then then snow comes, there'll be the usual outcries of "why weren't they prepared" and "why didn't they do something as we ALL knew this weather was coming...."
If they DO issue warnings, and prepare for potential disruption and then then snow doesn't come, there's outcries of "overkill", "utterly ridiculous" and the proverbial "health and safety gone mad".
Isn't it better, given the forecasts from the Met Office and MetGroup, to just err on the side of caution, just for ONE day, and make sure that if it does actually happen then we are all prepared? It's unusual for the South Coast absolutely, but doesn't mean that we should just ignore the possibility.

4:42pm Thu 17 Jan 13

speedy231278 says

Melanie - there's a difference between issuing a warning and being prepared for an event that might not happen, and simply shutting up shop for the day, hiding indoors! if it were snowing right now, there may be some vindication of said report, and it may be a sensible thing to write tomorrow off as a precaution. However, it's not snowing, and you never know, it may well not. In which case, it's a wasted day.

Which side are you on?

4:24pm

4:23pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Wallisdown says

Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.

Well that's told us.

4:18pm

Some advice from the AA, who have so far today attended 12,500 breakdowns nationwide (at one point 1,900 per hour).  By the end of the day, they expects to have attended around 17,000 call-outs, compared to around 9,500 on an average Thursday.

 

Darron Burness, the AA’s Head of Special Operations, says: “Tomorrow morning’s commute is likely to test man and machine with potentially challenging driving conditions across many areas. If the snow comes in quickly, it will cause problems, particularly drifting snow.


“The weather is a fickle thing – it could be rain one minute and then snow the next – so keep tuned to local radio for the weather and travel updates. If it’s really bad where you are then consider changing your plans and travel later or use alternative means.

 

“Even if you only have a short journey, as a bare minimum, take warm clothing, de-icer and a fully-charged mobile.”

Got a lovely way with words, hasn't he?

4:14pm

Anyway, it's only two years since this happened:

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and we don't recall anyone draining the channel then, eh BarrHumbug?

4:12pm

We realise that there's a lot of you in the comments scoffing at the idea we're going to get any snow - and it's true that whatever snow we get along the coast could be washed away by rain in the afternoon.

However, the school closures so far are those which take children from around Dorset and Hampshire, and they are taking seriously the warnings that travel is likely to be disrupted. Away from the coast heavy snow is expected to cause problems on the roads - and they are roads that a lot of our readers will drive on.

Basically, what I'm saying is, it's not all about Bournemouth itself, okay? :)

4:08pm

Here's what Winchelsea are saying about their closure tomorrow:

The local authority transport service have informed the school that whilst operators may be able to collect children from home and bring them to school, they cannot guarantee that they  will be able to collect children from school and deliver them home.

 

After conducting a thorough assessment of potential risks  the Headteacher in consultation with the Governors have decided to close the school to pupils tomorrow; the Local Authority have been informed of our decision.

This decision has been based upon the likelihood and level of risk to pupils given the most accurate information we have available to us at this point in time. We apologise for any inconvenience this decision may cause and hope that you understand that it  has been made in order to ensure the health and safety of your child.

4:04pm

Parkstone Grammar has said it will close on Friday.
A message from head teacher Anne Shinwell said: “I am making the unprecedented decision today to inform you that the school will be closed tomorrow. However, for those students taking public examinations tomorrow the school will be open and students should make their way to school if at all possible as the examinations will take place.
“If any student due to take an examination tomorrow cannot make it into school they should leave a message on the school answerphone for Mr Clegg, the Examinations Officer.
“While we are making the decision now to close the school tomorrow, I shall of course apologise if the weather forecast changes overnight and the heavy snowfall which is forecast does not occur! However, we are sure that parents would rather the decision to close was made today rather than being made tomorrow morning after 7am when we have heard from the bus companies, which can lead to confusion and upset.”

3:53pm

And some gritting facts for you, also from DCC: 

• There are 30 vehicles in our gritting fleet

• There are 24 gritting routes in the county council area

• On a county-wide gritting run we will treat approximately 680 miles of road, spreading around 80 tonnes of salt

• It takes around two and a half hours to grit the whole of the county's network

• There are 30 operatives and two operational duty managers on 24-hour stand-by to deal with gritting and other highways emergencies every day of the week throughout the holiday period and the whole winter

• The council holds 12,000 tonnes of salt in its depots at the start of each winter season. Supplies are always re-ordered well before the council reaches a base level of 5,000 tonnes

• Current stocks of salt stand at 7500 tonnes

3:52pm

Dorset county council have just sent us this statement:

Drivers are being advised to take extra care if travelling on Dorset’s roads tomorrow morning, when snow is forecast to sweep across the county.


Dorset County Council’s Traffic Control Centre in Dorchester will be manned from midnight tonight to coordinate the winter highways operations.

Gritting teams will be on 24hr standby to carry out pre-salting of the winter network and plough any snow that builds up, so that traffic can keep moving as safely as possible across the county.

Salt stocks are healthy, with additional supplies delivered today. All salt bins across the county are full, allowing borough, town and parish councils to treat roads and footways off the salted network.

Salt bins in strategic locations will be refilled as soon as possible but crews will concentrate on keeping priority roads cleared first.

Gritting teams will be out from midnight treating the priority network ready for sub-zero temperatures. Community routes connecting schools, hospitals and isolated communities were gritted earlier today, and snow ploughs have been fitted to vehicles in preparation for heavy snow tomorrow.

Motorists should take extreme care when travelling, keeping their speed down and maintaining a sufficient distance from the vehicle in front to be able to brake and stop safely. It can take 10 times longer to stop in icy conditions.

The county council will be working hard to make sure front-line services operate as normally as possible.

For more information about road salting, passable roads routes and how the weather is affecting essential services, such as schools, day centres and waste collections go to dorsetforyou.com/winter

3:43pm

3:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

EGHH says

I hope it does clear as I've got to be in Yeovil by 7.00 am Friday.

The Govt closed one of the best services for drivers that was the Highway Agency's rolling traffic news on DAB. Really useful for us who drive for a living. It was supposed to be privatised but no one bought it. Profit before service again!!

3:30pm

Not the only person we know of who thinks this is all a lot of fuss about nothing

3:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Wallisdown says

This is utterly ridiculous given there is still very good chance that after a short spell of snow in the early hours of tomorrow morning most of the precipitation is likely to rain as rain within 5-10miles of the coast. To start closing closes before the event is crazy!!

3:28pm

3:28pm

3:26pm

The NHS says just sent us a very important reminder that it's not just drivers who need to be careful in snow and ice.

They say: 

Your readers need to know the following:

1. Stay indoors in snow and ice, unless you really have to go outside. This is especially important for the old and frail.
2. Grit and clear the paths near where you live, if you are fit and capable. (Don’t use water to do this.) You are very unlikely to be sued if anyone slips.
3. Report particularly dangerous ice on paths to the council.
4. If you have to go out, wrap up well.
5. Staying indoors, keep the heating on, and keep wrapped up.

3:24pm

We'll be posting live updates from early tomorrow morning, with a list of school closures here. If you want to add anything, send us pics or ask anything and you're not registered to comment, you can email digital@bournemouthecho.co.uk or use the green "send your news" link at the top of the page.

3:11pm

Some advice from the AA:
 

3:07pm

3:06pm

Poole Grammar School has announced it will close on Friday because of the forecast.

A letter emailed to parents from head teacher Ian Carter said: “Due to the large numbers of pupils who come by bus and staff who live at some distance to the school I do not want to risk both life and limb nor be in the position that the bus companies tell me at 6am tomorrow that they will not be running buses.

“The school will however be open to public exam candidates who should aim to stay locally to the school tonight particularly those taking the AM exams so they can get into school. PM examinees should attempt to come into school if at all possible, the forecast indicating sleet at that stage, though if it is sustained snow then please do not put your son at risk.

“There are exam board protocols for non-attendance due to weather which require the candidate to take the exam in the summer.

“I apologise if the forecast is wrong but in the circumstances I do not want to take a risk and also to give you some warning as to our intentions.”

3:05pm

Now is probably also a good time to tell you that you can get traffic updates for anywhere in the country using our traffic feed. Just go to our traffic feed and change the location to the area you want. So if you were planning to go somewhere this weekend, you can check the snow-related disruption before you leave.

3:02pm

We should say that there is currently a yellow warning of snow for Saturday and Sunday too. You can see all the details here and check the weather forecast here.

3:00pm

We should of course give thanks that we don't live in Cardiff, where they're under a red warning, with 30cm expected, blizzard conditions and large snowdrifts.

2:53pm

Here's how Bournemouth's first stores looked in September... they had 1800 tonnes then and estimate they still have 1600, so we're not going to run out this weekend.

 

2:51pm

2:46pm Thu 17 Jan 13

TheGrumpus says

I'm heading out now to cover myself and my family in grit and foil blankets, you owe it to your loved ones to do the same.

2:43pm

2:43pm Thu 17 Jan 13

speedy231278 says

So, it's not even snowing yet, and SWT have already slashed their service, and are completely ignoring the few people who might want to join or alight at Beaulieu Road! Very kind of them considering the 4% they've just heaped on the fares!

2:34pm

If you are planning to drive in snow tomorrow, make sure you're prepared. Here's the full advice but here are some things you can do now to help.

With "disruptive snow" forecast for Friday, here are some things you can do today to prepare for driving in bad weather.

  • Clean your lights
  • Check your tyre tread - the AA recommends 3mm for winter driving and no less than 2mm.
  • Clean your windscreen, inside and out, for better visibility

Make sure you have with you:

  • a sack or rug to improve tread if you do get stuck
  • Warm clothes, blankets, emergency rations and water in case you find yourself in a long jam.
  • A shovel to help clear snow from tyres

2:32pm

Bournemouth council has just posted this release:

The salt barn is stocked, the gritters are on standby and contingency plans ready as Bournemouth prepares for the widely anticipated sleet/snow and icy conditions expected in the next 24 hours.

 

In addition you can find specific details about all of our preparations for keeping safe and warm this winter at www.bournemouth.gov.uk/winter

Council Leader John Beesley said: “Bournemouth is fully prepared for the potential snow and icy conditions forecast. We are monitoring conditions round the clock and will be keeping the public informed of any disruption to our services. Our priorities will be looking after our most vulnerable residents and keeping the main highway routes flowing. We urge everyone to drive safely and to think about checking on any elderly neighbours should snowy conditions occur.”

2:31pm

We're waiting for info from Dorset County Council and our other authorities. We'll post it as it arrives.

2:30pm

Hampsire county council say: 

The County Council's salt barns are full with enough salt for 15 days of continuous, round-the-clock salting. 3,000 community salt bins have salt for people to spread on public roads and pavements and   around 100 farmers are on standby to assist with clearing roads of snow using snow ploughs if needed. As always during the winter season, salting lorries are ready to salt Priority 1 routes - roads that carry 85% of the county's traffic - when temperatures are set to fall to zero or below. Other routes, including community routes to local primary schools, doctors surgeries and local shops will also be treated.

2:30pm

In Hampshire, an army of farmers is apparently on standby to help clear roads if needed. You can read more about that here.

2:29pm

Decisions about school closures will be made early tomorrow morning although some have already told parents to make their own minds up when they see the weather. We're told that Winchelsea School has decided to close already, according to a parent but we'll check that out.

2:26pm

South West Trains is running a revised service, with only one train an hour between Bournemouth and Weymouth and a two per hour between Bournemouth and London Waterloo.

There will be no trains stopping at Beaulieu Road and a revised service between Lymington and Brockenhurst.

You can see the full revised timetable here

2:26pm

Hampshire Police are warning people not to travel in the morning. Their warning says: "The bulk of the snowfall is anticipated between 4am and 1pm, with the potential to seriously disrupt rush hour traffic
"With as much as 10cms of snow anticipated across the whole county, and four to eight centimetres on the Isle of Wight, there is potential for drifting to occur because of forecast strong winds.
"Chief Inspector Gary Cooper, from Hampshire Constabulary’s Critical Incident Cadre, said: “Our advice at this stage is if you can avoid travelling on the roads tomorrow morning, please do.
“Keep journeys to only those that are absolutely necessary - at all costs we want to avoid a repeat of traffic chaos we have had during snow in previous years.

“Those that have the flexibility in their job to work from home - tomorrow would be a very good day to do so."

2:26pm

Bournemouth and Purbeck are still under a yellow warning of snow, wth 2-5cm possible. The heaviest burst will be mid-morning, with some forecasts suggesting the snow will turn to sleet in the afternoon.

Poole and the rest of the county is now under an amber warning, with 5-10cm expected fairly widely.

2:25pm

Snowfall is expected from 3am tomorrow, with the heaviest burst coming between 9am and 12pm.

2:25pm

Afternoon. We've got information coming in left right and centre, so we thought this might be the best way to keep you informed.

Comments(52)

speedy231278 says...
2:43pm Thu 17 Jan 13

So, it's not even snowing yet, and SWT have already slashed their service, and are completely ignoring the few people who might want to join or alight at Beaulieu Road! Very kind of them considering the 4% they've just heaped on the fares!

TheGrumpus says...
2:46pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I'm heading out now to cover myself and my family in grit and foil blankets, you owe it to your loved ones to do the same.

kinjim says...
2:54pm Thu 17 Jan 13

well we have been lead by the 'experts' before and look at the mess we are in. at least kinson has a food bank, do they know something??ll

BarrHumbug says...
3:01pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Here in Bournemouth we'll get what we usually do, a light dusting, maybe a cm, it will quickly turn to sleet then rain and all be gone by lunchtime :-D
They'll still close all the schools though.

Lord Spring says...
3:02pm Thu 17 Jan 13

This time it is different Amber Snow

BarrHumbug says...
3:07pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Lord Spring wrote:
This time it is different Amber Snow
Amber snow!?
Not heard of that one, I can make my own yellow snow ;-)

Wallisdown says...
3:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

This is utterly ridiculous given there is still very good chance that after a short spell of snow in the early hours of tomorrow morning most of the precipitation is likely to rain as rain within 5-10miles of the coast. To start closing closes before the event is crazy!!

Lord Spring says...
3:33pm Thu 17 Jan 13

BarrHumbug wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
This time it is different Amber Snow
Amber snow!?
Not heard of that one, I can make my own yellow snow ;-)
Was that your signature is saw last time it snowed

EGHH says...
3:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I hope it does clear as I've got to be in Yeovil by 7.00 am Friday.

The Govt closed one of the best services for drivers that was the Highway Agency's rolling traffic news on DAB. Really useful for us who drive for a living. It was supposed to be privatised but no one bought it. Profit before service again!!

Wallisdown says...
3:36pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Just to add this is a very marginal potential event if the wind backs from the land yes snow is on, if the surface wind is from the south east, south or south west its all going to be rain in Poole & Bmth.

Derf says...
3:57pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I bet kids in Scandinavia must be thick as the preverbial . Their schools must be shut half the year!

P Barker says...
3:58pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Probably best to shut the schools, offices , all public buildings, and everyone stay inside. No one should risk going out when its snowing, therefore sking is now BANNED. All winter sports resort must close with no one allowed near them. All flight must be grounded in case a snow flake touches the aircraft. In fact lets just close the whole UK from October till March incase there is any frost or that people may slip on. Any everyone move to Australia.

BarrHumbug says...
4:05pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Quite right, unless the snow front blows down off the land it rarely falls on Bournemouth, and the forecast is for southeasterly winds. For us to get any meaningful amount of snow here someone needs to drain the channel.

speedy231278 says...
4:13pm Thu 17 Jan 13

So, when it doesn't snow enough to morrow for all this chaos to happen, how many places will be woefully understaffed because of all the parents who have had to stay at home to look after little Jonny because his teachers fancied yet another day off?

One bloody weather report and the whole county is going into shutdown! This country is a joke!

Wallisdown says...
4:23pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.

scrumpyjack says...
4:25pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Your readers need to know the following:

1. Stay indoors in snow and ice, unless you really have to go outside. This is especially important for the old and frail.
2. Grit and clear the paths near where you live, if you are fit and capable. (Don’t use water to do this.) You are very unlikely to be sued if anyone slips.
3. Report particularly dangerous ice on paths to the council.
4. If you have to go out, wrap up well.
5. Staying indoors, keep the heating on, and keep wrapped up.



Other linked warnings include: If exiting a building then remember to open the door. If crossing a road it's often best to look both ways and the old favourite 'Don't eat yellow snow'.

I must look up the meaning of patronising.

scrumpyjack says...
4:26pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Derf wrote:
I bet kids in Scandinavia must be thick as the preverbial . Their schools must be shut half the year!
funny

Melanie.Read12 says...
4:36pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I think that the powers that be are damned if they do and damned if they don't here.
If they DON'T issue warnings, and prepare for potential disruption and then then snow comes, there'll be the usual outcries of "why weren't they prepared" and "why didn't they do something as we ALL knew this weather was coming...."
If they DO issue warnings, and prepare for potential disruption and then then snow doesn't come, there's outcries of "overkill", "utterly ridiculous" and the proverbial "health and safety gone mad".
Isn't it better, given the forecasts from the Met Office and MetGroup, to just err on the side of caution, just for ONE day, and make sure that if it does actually happen then we are all prepared? It's unusual for the South Coast absolutely, but doesn't mean that we should just ignore the possibility.

speedy231278 says...
4:42pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Melanie - there's a difference between issuing a warning and being prepared for an event that might not happen, and simply shutting up shop for the day, hiding indoors! if it were snowing right now, there may be some vindication of said report, and it may be a sensible thing to write tomorrow off as a precaution. However, it's not snowing, and you never know, it may well not. In which case, it's a wasted day.

Old Colonial says...
4:48pm Thu 17 Jan 13

"Darron Burness, the AA’s Head of Special Operations, says: “Tomorrow morning’s commute is likely to test man and machine..........."

That's it, make it competitive. Lots of drivers seem to think the public roads are a rally circuit anyway....for goodness sake don't encourage them.

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
5:27pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Why is everyone being so cynical?

I for one think snow is beautiful and the kids love it!

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
5:32pm Thu 17 Jan 13

speedy231278 wrote:
Melanie - there's a difference between issuing a warning and being prepared for an event that might not happen, and simply shutting up shop for the day, hiding indoors! if it were snowing right now, there may be some vindication of said report, and it may be a sensible thing to write tomorrow off as a precaution. However, it's not snowing, and you never know, it may well not. In which case, it's a wasted day.
It's called taking precautionary measures. Better to be safe than sorry. In places like Florida people are evacuated during Hurricane Watches, even if the cyclone never hits them head on.

Let's hunker down people and enjoy the ride! Yes, ENJOY! Life is too short to sit in front of the Echo comments section day in day talking negative, judgemental drival and arguing amongst strangers ;)

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
5:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Are peoples' memories so vague, dont you remember the beautiful white covering we were treated to in November in Bournemouth in 2010? Yes it does settle! And makes for some spectacular photos down on the beach. Instead of sand, there is snow! Nature painting an amazing sight :)

vwbournie says...
5:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

bring back the top gear harvester, lol

speedy231278 says...
6:08pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Melanie - there's a difference between issuing a warning and being prepared for an event that might not happen, and simply shutting up shop for the day, hiding indoors! if it were snowing right now, there may be some vindication of said report, and it may be a sensible thing to write tomorrow off as a precaution. However, it's not snowing, and you never know, it may well not. In which case, it's a wasted day.
It's called taking precautionary measures. Better to be safe than sorry. In places like Florida people are evacuated during Hurricane Watches, even if the cyclone never hits them head on.

Let's hunker down people and enjoy the ride! Yes, ENJOY! Life is too short to sit in front of the Echo comments section day in day talking negative, judgemental drival and arguing amongst strangers ;)
No, hiding indoors is not a precaution. Having snowploughs, tow trucks and gritters located in strategic areas in case of snow is a precaution. Writing off a day before anything has even happened is simply knee-jerk lunacy onset by a blame culture and sue everyone mentality. When I was a kid we made it to school through feet of snow from miles around. No-one froze to death, no-one died. Kids played in the snow, and they were even allowed to throw snowballs! These days they're wrapped up in cotton wool and I'll bet throwing a snowball is classed as assaulting another pupil!

mapantz says...
6:13pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Wallisdown wrote:
Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.
You obviously haven't heard of an 'undercut' or 'slider low'

You're going to be eating humble pie tomorrow. :-)

Phixer says...
6:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Derf wrote:
I bet kids in Scandinavia must be thick as the preverbial . Their schools must be shut half the year!
It's been snowing all day here in Oslo and - guess what? - normal life is continuing.

And yes, the kids walk to school.

Amazing!!

groveswhitnall says...
6:41pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Who Gives A **** Anyway?

Jetwasher says...
6:49pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Bet the teachers are on stand by for a day off :)

Jim_Springbourne says...
7:08pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Those saying "we will get rain" have a point. My experience in this kind of setup is that areas nearer the coast usually get rain - growing up in Wimborne, would see it rain while hearing reports of snow in Blandford, Dorchester, Verwood, Fordingbridge etc etc. Wind off the sea raises temps and dewpoints to just the wrong side of marginal.
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I remember one spectacular exception to this on December 13th 1981. That Sunday, milder air pushing in against a very frigid air mass (a lot colder than this one) gave us southerly gales and 4 hours of wet snow in depths of up to 8" which clung to everything. Power lines and trees down everywhere. It soon turned to rain leaving a slushy mess everywhere.
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As for tomorrow, I still think rain is the most likely outcome within a few miles of the coast. Cliff at @warehamweather disagrees and thinks it will be snow right down to the coast, he could well be right. I would hate to be a pro weatherman today!
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Fascinating 36h ahead for weather watchers.

Wallisdown says...
7:09pm Thu 17 Jan 13

mapantz wrote:
Wallisdown wrote:
Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.
You obviously haven't heard of an 'undercut' or 'slider low'

You're going to be eating humble pie tomorrow. :-)
Off course I have but unfortunately the under cut is not going to be substantial enough to back the surface from the land. Sst's of 8/9c feeding in milder dp's to coast strip look likely, already the meto warning have nudged the amber warning slightly further north so they don't cover Bmth & Poole expect this to happen a little bit more by the morning.

mapantz says...
7:16pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Wallisdown wrote:
mapantz wrote:
Wallisdown wrote:
Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.
You obviously haven't heard of an 'undercut' or 'slider low'

You're going to be eating humble pie tomorrow. :-)
Off course I have but unfortunately the under cut is not going to be substantial enough to back the surface from the land. Sst's of 8/9c feeding in milder dp's to coast strip look likely, already the meto warning have nudged the amber warning slightly further north so they don't cover Bmth & Poole expect this to happen a little bit more by the morning.
The Amber warning hasn't changed at all. One was issued yesterday for the West country and at 12:30pm it was extended to most of Dorset. You clearly have no clue as to what is going on. Oh welll .. enjoy your snow tomorrow. :-)

mapantz says...
7:18pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Wallisdown wrote:
mapantz wrote:
Wallisdown wrote:
Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.
You obviously haven't heard of an 'undercut' or 'slider low'

You're going to be eating humble pie tomorrow. :-)
Off course I have but unfortunately the under cut is not going to be substantial enough to back the surface from the land. Sst's of 8/9c feeding in milder dp's to coast strip look likely, already the meto warning have nudged the amber warning slightly further north so they don't cover Bmth & Poole expect this to happen a little bit more by the morning.
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lemonhead says...
7:28pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Funny snow here in Christchurch atm,oh yep thats it,it's raining.....i agree thay have to say we might have some snow,but for some schools to close before it has even started shows how weak some of you southern softies really are,i meen i lived up north and we sometimnes had 3-4ft of snow,we still went to school/work,todays society uses any excuse to have a day off...

Jim_Springbourne says...
7:45pm Thu 17 Jan 13

lemonhead - it's all down to H&S gone mad. When I was a kid in the 70s/early 80s schools would only close if there were transport problems, and only if it actually snowed.
Closing just because a few centimetres of snow was forecast was unheard of.

MMM444 says...
7:55pm Thu 17 Jan 13

lemonhead wrote:
Funny snow here in Christchurch atm,oh yep thats it,it's raining.....i agree thay have to say we might have some snow,but for some schools to close before it has even started shows how weak some of you southern softies really are,i meen i lived up north and we sometimnes had 3-4ft of snow,we still went to school/work,todays society uses any excuse to have a day off...
Absolutely spot on. you just about summed it up, no wonder this countrys broken britain

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
9:52pm Thu 17 Jan 13

"have to say we might have some snow,but for some schools to close before it has even started shows how weak some of you southern softies really are"

you're all broken then. you dont close a school after its too late, you do it ahead of time as a precaution. do any of you even have children? are they sick like the mass majority of kids are right now.

LordLilliput says...
10:02pm Thu 17 Jan 13

I do so love it when an astute reporter uses the word 'chaos' in a headline. Tabloid journalism at it's most inaccurate/best.

I'm sure we'll all cope..

l'anglais says...
10:06pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Don't Panic, Don't Panic........
Just think of the extra profit being made by the energy companies.

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
11:14pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Not panicking, just excited :)

MrPitiful says...
11:29pm Thu 17 Jan 13

When I were a lad...

Up at 530am, to clean out the hearth of last night's ashes, make my little brother, my dad & myself some tea & porridge, feed the dogs & cat, walk said dogs, then out to my paper round.Back home for a quick wash ( no hot water as we weren't allowed 'mersion on & coal fire not lit until 6 at night) & then walk to school for starting at 830am. A 1 mile walk if you must know. Back home after another 1 mile walk & snowball fight & wait for tea - 1st meal of the day! Then back out in the street for more snowballing until about 730 then bed!All in up to 1-2 foot of snow. Sometimes for up to 3 weeks in a row!
We didn't get hurt, we didn't stay at home, I can't remember seeing gritters on the road & all the buses & trains were ok - and cheaper.
Then Thatcher robbed us of our milk & it all went downhill.

Now THEY were the days.

MrPitiful says...
11:31pm Thu 17 Jan 13

And I forgot to mention, our shoes (plimsolls) had holes in the bottom ( covered with cornflake packet cardboard) and we didn't have mobile phones or Facebook.

They were indeed the days.

Cosmic Crusader says...
11:52pm Thu 17 Jan 13

MrPitiful wrote:
And I forgot to mention, our shoes (plimsolls) had holes in the bottom ( covered with cornflake packet cardboard) and we didn't have mobile phones or Facebook.

They were indeed the days.
Seriously, I bet you were a lot happier than many of today's kids.

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
12:08am Fri 18 Jan 13

MrPitiful wrote:
When I were a lad...

Up at 530am, to clean out the hearth of last night's ashes, make my little brother, my dad & myself some tea & porridge, feed the dogs & cat, walk said dogs, then out to my paper round.Back home for a quick wash ( no hot water as we weren't allowed 'mersion on & coal fire not lit until 6 at night) & then walk to school for starting at 830am. A 1 mile walk if you must know. Back home after another 1 mile walk & snowball fight & wait for tea - 1st meal of the day! Then back out in the street for more snowballing until about 730 then bed!All in up to 1-2 foot of snow. Sometimes for up to 3 weeks in a row!
We didn't get hurt, we didn't stay at home, I can't remember seeing gritters on the road & all the buses & trains were ok - and cheaper.
Then Thatcher robbed us of our milk & it all went downhill.

Now THEY were the days.
Respect to you old man. Seriously, utmost respect! I salute you sir!

Only problem now is society is full of sick people who want to hurt young'uns. So I wouldn't run the risk letting my child out on their own.

But, you made me reminisce there on stories my grandparents used to tell me about the GOOD OLD DAYS.

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes says...
12:11am Fri 18 Jan 13

Cosmic Crusader wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
And I forgot to mention, our shoes (plimsolls) had holes in the bottom ( covered with cornflake packet cardboard) and we didn't have mobile phones or Facebook.

They were indeed the days.
Seriously, I bet you were a lot happier than many of today's kids.
No need to bet, it's a given! He was definitely a LOT happier than some of the sad runts of today's spoilt society.

Now we all know the meaning of being "spoiled". It means what it says. Today's walkabouts are all truly spoiled.

roguetrader666 says...
12:12am Fri 18 Jan 13

As usual, it takes very little to make teachers close their schools and skive off based on a forecast, not anything actually physical yet. Apparently forecasts are only right 50% of the time. Lets see what it's like tomorrow. Will their pay be docked if all we get is a bit of rain?

MrPitiful says...
1:39am Fri 18 Jan 13

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Cosmic Crusader wrote:
MrPitiful wrote:
And I forgot to mention, our shoes (plimsolls) had holes in the bottom ( covered with cornflake packet cardboard) and we didn't have mobile phones or Facebook.

They were indeed the days.
Seriously, I bet you were a lot happier than many of today's kids.
No need to bet, it's a given! He was definitely a LOT happier than some of the sad runts of today's spoilt society.

Now we all know the meaning of being "spoiled". It means what it says. Today's walkabouts are all truly spoiled.
Happier? - you betcha! I wouldn't change a thing. On the flipside weatherwise, in the Summer, we were out on our (homemade) bikes 'til gone 10pm most nights. We played team games in the street, used the local playparks instead of abusing them & our worst crime was riding on the pavement at night with no lights on our bikes - although it was scary when you got caught as this resulted in a proper telling off with the threat of a slap off our local bobby, PC Bridges. A scary character, 6ft 4, angry eyebrows & hands that would knock you into next week! And he used to walk the beat every day.

Spoilt? - No way. Our parents didn't have the means to spoil us - not materialistically anyway. No iPads for us, no laptops, x-boxes & designer trainers. We didn't have a McDonalds to get fat in. Not even a flippin' Primark! An exotic holiday was a day-trip to the zoo. We got by on 10p bags of sweets if we were good (& lucky!) & an ice-cream off the ice-cream man at weekends - what happened to ice-cream vans by the way??
We did fare better at Xmas - the richer kids got a bike and the rest of us got boxed games, Action men & matchbox cars. And we were over the moon with them.
Thinking on though we were spoilt - we had freedom, fresh air, safety (PC Bridges was always out on the lookout!) and believe it or not we had one thing above all that most kids sadly miss out on today - time spent with us by our parents.

No ASBO's needed, you kept your dirty washing within your own four walls & your doorstep clean. You looked after your own & by God you respected your elders. You went to school not to fight but to learn reading & writing & impossible maths.

I'll say it again - THEY were the days.

Hey - and the music wasn't bad either but that's another story!

BarrHumbug says...
5:31am Fri 18 Jan 13

To the person who posted up the picture with their remark to me, you clearly didn't not understand my comment? Lets just wait and see shall we?

mysticalshoelace says...
6:34am Fri 18 Jan 13

Warning upgraded to red and currently it's snowing horizontally in Bournemouth.

beachcomber1 says...
9:57am Fri 18 Jan 13

mapantz wrote:
Wallisdown wrote:
mapantz wrote:
Wallisdown wrote:
Whoever posted the picture of the seafront, that snow was delivered from a completely different weather scenario as the one forecast for tomorrow, in Dec 2010 snow came from the east and a very cold continental landmass not the mild Atlantic ocean. For the whole of that snow event the wind was backed from the land.
You obviously haven't heard of an 'undercut' or 'slider low'

You're going to be eating humble pie tomorrow. :-)
Off course I have but unfortunately the under cut is not going to be substantial enough to back the surface from the land. Sst's of 8/9c feeding in milder dp's to coast strip look likely, already the meto warning have nudged the amber warning slightly further north so they don't cover Bmth & Poole expect this to happen a little bit more by the morning.
The Amber warning hasn't changed at all. One was issued yesterday for the West country and at 12:30pm it was extended to most of Dorset. You clearly have no clue as to what is going on. Oh welll .. enjoy your snow tomorrow. :-)
so who won this discussion? it has snowed, but not the bucketloads implied by the warnings.

scrumpyjack says...
11:23am Fri 18 Jan 13

Looking out my window the roads are clear and lots of people moving around with ease.

kingstonpaul says...
1:03pm Fri 18 Jan 13

So, advice item No.3 is "Report particularly dangerous ice on paths to the council".
Are they joking? What planet do these people inhabit? Even if you can find the 'right person' to report this to within the council bureaucracy, do they really think that there's staff who are ready and waiting to get off their backsides to come and grit the pavements?

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