Gay club refused over crime fears

12:00pm Tuesday 15th January 2013 in News By Will Frampton

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A PLANNED new members-only club for gay men was refused a licence on Tuesday over fears it might contribute to crime in the Triangle area.

The club, G, in Commercial Road, is owned by Anthony and Linda Withers-Lancashire, who also own nearby nightclub 29-30 The Triangle.

The couple said their aim was to create a quiet and intimate alternative nightspot for Bournemouth’s gay community, with occasional cabaret and adult entertainment.

However, Dorset Police lodged an objection to the proposal, claiming that another drinking venue would lead to an increase in alcohol-related assaults and anti-social behaviour in the area.

They also claimed that the plans for G did not offer anything substantially different to existing venues.

At the council licensing committee meeting, Mrs Withers-Lancashire said the club had some 30 members signed up ready for the opening, all customers from 29-30.

“If anyone misbehaves they will have to go home,” she told the committee. “We take running a premises very seriously. This is a family business for us.”

She added, in response to questions from councillors, that the door at G would be manned at all times, by herself or security staff, and would have “club nannies”, men in drag to shepherd the worse for wear into taxis.

Dorset Police told councillors the Central Bournemouth Cumulative Impact Area saw 41 per cent of the borough’s alcohol-related crime and 62 per cent of its night-time public place assaults between January and June last year.

“The entertainment on offer is classed as occasional, so the primary function appears to be the sale of alcohol,” said Sergeant Darren Harris. “Based on that, the premises is in no way unique and the conditions offered to help prevent crime and disorder are no different to those of other premises in the area.”

Chairman Cllr Andrew Morgan said: “This has been a difficult decision. It has been on the applicant to demonstrate that this will not add to existing issues of crime and disorder.

“We felt on balance that that they did not do that.

“In addition the premises are not sufficiently different in terms of adding economic vibrancy to the area.”

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Linguist says...
12:20pm Tue 15 Jan 13

So Mrs Withers-Lancashire, do you think the taxi drivers are happy for you to "drag your worst for wear customers" into their taxi's?
Perhaps, a responsible licensee, should not let their customers get into that state in the first place.

I think the licensing committee have made a very good decision, and in light of your comments, keep an eye on your other club.

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The Renegade Master says...
12:33pm Tue 15 Jan 13

There are plenty of other establishments in the Triangle area catering to the gay community. Don't see the need for any more.

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uberbloke says...
12:42pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Redgolfer wrote:
I am pleased that the licence was refused, why is there a need for a gay only club, imagine if any of the other clubs refused ''gays'' it would be wrong and the same would have applied to this one if it had opened.
I suggest you reread the article, it says

"... new members-only club for gay men...",

which is not the same as "a gays only club"

I'm sure that news will cheer you up and you can now submit your membership request and give us a nice review.

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Telscombe Cliffy says...
12:54pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I don't understand this, as your photo above clearly shows the club exists already?

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Pablo23 says...
1:14pm Tue 15 Jan 13

"and would have “club nannies”, men in drag to shepherd the worse for wear into taxis"

Thats an excellent idea.
Please can we have these in all the bars and clubs in central Bournemouth.

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TD61 says...
1:16pm Tue 15 Jan 13

In a way I am glad this club has been refused. Yet another place for people to get drunk and whilst they may have door staff and "nannies" to help with customers *inside* the premises - it is the behaviour *outside* that usually causes the problems - that goes for all bars and clubs, so another drinking hole is surely not needed in the town?

Besides which, if a members only club opened for heterosexual members and refused a gay person on the grounds of their sexuality, there would be uproar, so why do gay people feel the need to discriminate against non-gay people, when they themselves have been the subject of gross and unnecessary discrimination? It beggars belief and surely only promotes anti-gay feelings amongst people?

Live and let live I say. We should all enjoy our lives without compartmentalising ourselves in such a degrading way by encouraging people of different sexuality to only socialise with like minded people.

It's like going back to the 1950's when the gay community had to *hide* in their own secret little clubs. They no longer need to (and never should have had to!), so why do they cling to clubs such as this? The landlord is encouraging discrimination against his proposed customers in my opinion :o/

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pete woodley says...
2:40pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Sensible comments TD61,it is discrimination the other way round.

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Bob49 says...
2:41pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Perhaps we could be told how a customer could get into the state of 'worse for wear' as I thought it was contrary to an establishments alcohol license to serve customers when they are already drunk.

Or perhaps in has other connotations in this case.

Either way it is merely another drinking den, irrespective of who it's clientele are.

And an establishment that expects it's customers to be 'worse for wear'.

I wonder what the reaction would be were the target customer base to be stag parties who would be leaving the premises 'worse for wear'.

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pete woodley says...
2:43pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Sensible comments TD61,it is discrimination the other way round.And to drag the worse for wear into taxis is really taking the P.

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muscliffman says...
3:13pm Tue 15 Jan 13

An interesting decision. For many years this Triangle area has been known for two things.

Firstly, as the long established social centre for our gay brothers and sisters.

Secondly as the quite notable part of the town-centre where there is very little trouble at night. (Thank you Echo Editor 'Opinion' for also recognising this).

So to read arguments against this new Club referring to the "Central Bournemouth Cumulative Impact Area...." does seem rather odd.

If only the rest of Bournemouth would follow the late-night conduct example already well established here!

However I have to agree with other comments that the idea of a members only 'gay mens club' does seem a little quaint, at least to me.

In these far more enlightened times 'friendly' yes, 'exclusive' no thanks.

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Tripod says...
3:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13

While I agree there are already too many establishments selling alcohol in Bournemouth, it makes me wonder what (or who) is realy behind some of these planning decisions, V had little trouble getting permision for a "Super Club" at a time when Bournemouth Borough were taking legal action agains it's owners for non-payment (etc.), but a members only club gets turned-down...

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BmthNewshound says...
3:46pm Tue 15 Jan 13

For years the gay community has been fighting for equality, isn't it somewhat hypocritcal to expect equality but not to practice it ? Can you imagine the uproar if a club opened which banned gay men.
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The choice of language used by the Withers is interesting..... intimate with adult entertainment.... does that translate as a gay lap dancing club ?

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EGHH says...
4:29pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I assume the Police are afraid of Gay bashing? Never known any Gay person to be prone to violence.I am straight but have many Gay and Bi friends of both sexes. They are nicest people I know.

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Redgolfer says...
4:58pm Tue 15 Jan 13

uberbloke wrote:
Redgolfer wrote:
I am pleased that the licence was refused, why is there a need for a gay only club, imagine if any of the other clubs refused ''gays'' it would be wrong and the same would have applied to this one if it had opened.
I suggest you reread the article, it says

"... new members-only club for gay men...",

which is not the same as "a gays only club"

I'm sure that news will cheer you up and you can now submit your membership request and give us a nice review.
Sorry to dissapoint you but I am heterosexual and I thought that it was illegal to have same sex only clubs and like other posters think that some times the gay community do want Equality but sometimes do not practice it, which is a shame!!!

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Tripod says...
5:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13

The more I think about it the more It sound like something out of the 1980's, specialy the club nannies in drag.

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boscombewizard says...
5:45pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I would have thought that the chance of trouble/violence from drunk gay men is very, very remote.

Reminds me of the time that an application for a stall on the pier approach by CND was refused as it was felt others might object. It was ok to have military planes there though.

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s-pb2 says...
6:21pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Im sure the club would have membership for anyone who wishes to apply but the likelihood is the entertainment provided would only appeal to the gay community. Like gay adoption does not mean the only people who can adopt are gay people!

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Bmth99 says...
6:30pm Tue 15 Jan 13

What kind of businesswoman would create a new venue, spend money on refurbishing and kitting out a new place without even having the legal licenses in place to start with..... MASSIVE FAILURE. Lol.

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Bmth99 says...
6:33pm Tue 15 Jan 13

And if I remember correctly, these are the same people that tried to create the Christmas Land in the triangle during Christmas 2011, with a ride that had horses wearing antlers to look like reindeers..... This was also a massive failure!

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GAHmusic says...
6:58pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I dont think being gay is obligatory it is just taylored to that market like any other club is entitled to do it's not in any way discrimatory or being shown any favouritism in law, after all it was refused based on judgements that in no way take into acount any sexuality and applies the issues arising from excesesive alcohol leading to violence equaly to all sections of the community no matter how likely or not they are to offend.

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Hunter1234 says...
7:50pm Tue 15 Jan 13

But if it was Tesco express liecence easy Bournemouth is run by Freemasons & illuminati

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nobbjockie says...
7:58pm Tue 15 Jan 13

“If anyone misbehaves they will have to go home,” she told the committee. Probably not the best line to use in front of the committe...but then again they continue to allow a local late store to sell alcohol having just been caught selling it to young children. That's hypocritical....and I have to agree that to drive things underground create greater issues than control. It is simple discrimination against homosexuality and they should challenge it

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harryonthecoast says...
7:59pm Tue 15 Jan 13

The gay community of Bournemouth cause very little trouble in the Triangle area.Unlike the Horseshoe Common area which is no go and a disgrace to the town.We need more pubs and clubs for our gay visitors, doesn't the Council realise the power of the pink pound.No wonder gays prefer to visit Brighton making the town prosperous.Wake up Bournemouth,you need all the income you can get if we are too survive.

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harryonthecoast says...
8:05pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Tripod wrote:
While I agree there are already too many establishments selling alcohol in Bournemouth, it makes me wonder what (or who) is realy behind some of these planning decisions, V had little trouble getting permision for a "Super Club" at a time when Bournemouth Borough were taking legal action agains it's owners for non-payment (etc.), but a members only club gets turned-down...
Hear hear couldn't have put it better.The pink pound is very strong and Bournemouth will lose out in time as gays thinking of coming here on holiday will bypass us for Brighton when they see the awful selection of bars here for the gay community.No wonder Brighton attracts visitors from all over the world for the vibrant scene there.

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harryonthecoast says...
8:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Hunter1234 wrote:
But if it was Tesco express liecence easy Bournemouth is run by Freemasons & illuminati
Well said!!

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Bournefre says...
8:23pm Tue 15 Jan 13

Linguist wrote:
So Mrs Withers-Lancashire, do you think the taxi drivers are happy for you to "drag your worst for wear customers" into their taxi's?
Perhaps, a responsible licensee, should not let their customers get into that state in the first place.

I think the licensing committee have made a very good decision, and in light of your comments, keep an eye on your other club.
Where does it say Mrs Withers-Lancashire was intending to "drag worst for wear customers" into taxi's?
It says men in drag (that means men dressed as pantomime dames) would "shepherd" the worse for wear into taxis.
I read this to mean the club would be taking responsibility for its customers rather than having to rely on initiatives such as the 'safe bus'.

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missjmc says...
10:46pm Tue 15 Jan 13

For all those commenting about how not letting in straight men is discrimination - the fact is that a good lot of people are homophobic, and if you have a bar that is for gay men only, you are free to act without judgement because of who you are attracted to. If you go to a club where 90% of the men there are straight, a number homophobic, then you're not going to be as comfortable as you are where you know that you're not going to be attacked for flirting with another man.

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ctrewyou says...
10:53pm Tue 15 Jan 13

'Dorset Police told councillors the Central Bournemouth Cumulative Impact Area saw 41 per cent of the borough’s alcohol-related crime and 62 per cent of its night-time public place assaults between January and June last year.'
This area covers the whole town centre from the Triangle to the Lansdowne, and about half of alcolhol related crime is in the town centre? Who'd have thought? So, we can therefore assume that there will be no more new clubs or pubs, or shops (Tesco) selling alcohol, in the town centre, ever again? I'm fine with that myself, but it seems that you can get a club approved if you have the right connections. Backhander, anyone? Masons? Conservative Club membership may help?

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guisselle says...
11:04pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I would love to know more about the
free-masons what are their beliefs?

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guisselle says...
11:07pm Tue 15 Jan 13

I think David Icke is the one to ask!

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corozin says...
7:43am Wed 16 Jan 13

“In addition the premises are not sufficiently different in terms of adding economic vibrancy to the area.”

That's hilarious from a Council which has essentially allowed the centre of Bournemouth to be turned into one bloody great student bar.

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really?? seriously?? says...
10:59am Wed 16 Jan 13

The PINK POUND? do u have yr own currency now? just be gay and stop making yourself sound stupid. Just coz people are gay u dont have to flirt it to the whole world about it, just get on with it.Why do alot of the gay community have to speak in a funny way?? Never understood it????

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The Renegade Master says...
11:43am Wed 16 Jan 13

Hunter1234 wrote:
But if it was Tesco express liecence easy Bournemouth is run by Freemasons & illuminati
Yeah yeah and 9/11 was an inside job, the CIA killed Kennedy, Lady Di was murdered and man never went to the Moon. Thank you for sharing your paranoia with us, now run along back to your therapy group, there's a good chap.

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TerreHaute says...
3:17pm Wed 16 Jan 13

@ really?? Seriously??

The pink pound has long been recognised by society and businesses. It refers to the (assumed) higher disposable income because of the lack of children. I've heard the expression for twenty years or more. More often by businesses that want to exploit it.

@ missjmc

Absolutely... We don't want to be ghetto-ised but at the same time, if gay pubs did not exist, it would be harder to meet gay people (particularly those) you were attracted to - because you would not know who could be approached or whether offence would be caused.
A side effect would also be that straight men and women occasionally received unwelcome advances...

This debate would not exist if it were a drinking club for train-spotters. Non train-spotters wouldn't want to join but they wouldn't go to the effort of commenting on a forum about it!

I do think that the Triangle needs an alternative to "29-30" (and I don't care who owns it).

All of that said, I think it sounds horrendous. Club Nannies?!?! It sounds like a production line of drunkenness and it's hard to think that the planners made the wrong decision...

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Geldon says...
7:02pm Wed 16 Jan 13

As someone who enjoys evenings out at Mrs Withers-Lancashire's current club 29-30 - I have to say she and her staff run it in an exemplary manner. A high profile door and security team are always present and do an excellent job of ensuring a trouble free night of fun is on offer - at the same time as being friendly and personable to the patrons. Many of her employees are long-term which has to say something about her character. I have never witnessed violence or fighting outside the club - which is more than can be said for other parts of the town. Clubbers in the Old Christchurch road area often feature on the Echo's front page after being assaulted and ending up in hospital. 29-30 does not tolerate bad behavior and acts swiftly to deal with it on the rare occasion it may occur. 'G' is a small club/Bar and I do not believe that if it had been allowed a licence it would have resulted in a higher number of visitors to The Triangle area resulting in a negative impact and increased crime. It would have simply been another venue for people to visit and enjoy. If Mrs W-L had been giving the chance to run it in the manner she runs 29-30 - I believe it would have been a positive contribution to the area. 'G' would have offered something different despite councilors views - as it would have been a smaller more intimate bar. Maybe if the entertainment was more than 'occasional' it would be deemed different enough for Mrs W-L to appeal. If I for one owned a club - I would be more than happy for Mrs W-L to run it. The Triangle area has come along greatly with the arrival of fantastic venues such as DYMK, Flirt and the new Monroe's cafe/bar. 29-30 has played a huge part in the regeneration of the area with it's vibrant frontage and not unsubstantial investment in improvements. Its a shame Mrs W-L was not at least given a temporary licence (if such a thing exists) as the club does appear to be ready to run. The Triangle is not the same as the 'super club' roads in town and to deny a licence for this bar seems churlish at best. How did it get a licence in its previous role as The Vodka Bar? Or was it not alcohol they served? Great shame. Would have offered employment and generated taxes. Better that than an empty shell. All they are trying to do after all is provide a venue for people to enjoy.

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gayisapartofmenotmyentirebeing says...
1:57pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Bmth99 wrote:
What kind of businesswoman would create a new venue, spend money on refurbishing and kitting out a new place without even having the legal licenses in place to start with..... MASSIVE FAILURE. Lol.
How recently have you driven down Poole hill and along commercial road?

How much BETTER does the area look having one less derelict venue front - whether this Businesswoman had licences or not - this is a contribution to the area's aesthetics and brings a new vibrancy to the area - along with its neighbouring business Monroe's - it throws a whole new light on the view travelling down Poole Hill.

This businesswoman can only be thanked for her contribution to the local economy and for her creation of diversity and employment in the area.
Her licencing records in her existing venue stand testimony to her management of a licenced venue in the area - and whilst 29-30 has a reputation of being marketed towards the younger end of the Gay Community (and their friends) whereas my interpretation of 'G' is to include all ages and engage those who don't wish to be in a venue with hi levels of music and charged with the typical party atmosphere, in a safe environment, with an element of exclusivity being a members' bar. - By no means is this lady a "MASSIVE FAILURE" as a businesswoman - and is there really any need to use "LOL" ??

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Bmth99 says...
9:23pm Thu 17 Jan 13

By no means a massive failure? - There were bailiffs on the door step to 2930 just last week!

I also believe there was a large fight outside the club a couple of weeks ago that police were called to that Mrs W-L granddaughter was part of.

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TerreHaute says...
10:05pm Fri 18 Jan 13

No answer from Geldon or gayisapartofmenotmye
ntirebeing... What can this mean?

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Geldon says...
10:53pm Fri 18 Jan 13

TerreHaute wrote:
No answer from Geldon or gayisapartofmenotmye

ntirebeing... What can this mean?
I was not aware one was expected from me. I had said my piece in support of another bar and have little interest in the negative comments of others. However since my attention has been caught ..... I will say I thought the subject up for discussion was the refusal of a licence for 'G' on the grounds of concerns of increased crime to the area. I did not read in the article that Mrs W-L's ability as a business woman was in question. By publicly stating Mrs W-L's business activities are a 'massive failure', dismissing her efforts at putting on a 'Christmas Land' event, stating financial troubles (how on earth would anyone happen to know bailiffs had been on the door step?) and then 'suggesting' her granddaughter was 'part of' a fight to which Police were called.. .... Bmth99 is coming across very much as a person who may have a personal axe to grind? Maybe there were no Club Nannies free to escort him/her to a taxi? I am sure Mrs W-L may not take so kindly to some of the public musings here - that are at risk of besmirching her name and character. Let us not forget she is a business woman in the town and such comments could be damaging and seen as malicious. And as a final comment .... who would have thought Mrs W-L had a granddaughter - and one who is old enough to 'allegedly' fight! Please....she does not look a day over 35.

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lisar1973 says...
1:44pm Sat 19 Jan 13

So it is better for the premises to be empty adding another boarded up building to Bournemouth, The premises was licensed before and was surrendered by the last business owner, so there is no reason for it not to have a license now, there are far to many straight aimed places in Bournemouth and not enough places for gay people to go to be safe and enjoy a social life.

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lisar1973 says...
1:54pm Sat 19 Jan 13

Bmth99 wrote:
By no means a massive failure? - There were bailiffs on the door step to 2930 just last week!

I also believe there was a large fight outside the club a couple of weeks ago that police were called to that Mrs W-L granddaughter was part of.
How sad that Bmth99 has to air his vendetta in public like that.

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Ady123 says...
11:47pm Mon 21 Jan 13

Bmth99 sounds like a certain Shaun Mitchall who i've heard does have a personal vendetta against Mrs W-L.
He also runs DYMK.
People should have their own views & not have to be influenced by nasty people like Bmth99 who are determined at all costs to make 2930, G & the owners look bad people.
I am a married straight person & have liked to go clubbing at 2930 for many years & Rubyz before that as you will never have any trouble & we go for that reason, great music, friendly staff & customers.
I would love to see where Bmth99 gets all their information from? Go & get on with your own life you sad person...
Getting back to G Bar, i don't really know what type of bar it is meant to be, but don't we have gentleman clubs in town targeting men only? Spearmint/FYEO & Wiggle. So what is the problem having G as a private members club? Some people need to get a life & stop slating people for doing good things in this town.

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shaun mitchell says...
1:28pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Dear Ady123

Bmth99 is Not me !

I did have a business vendetta with Lynne Withers Lancashire when she conned me to lend her £40k to set up 2930 back in December 2008 and then tried to get out of paying it back.

After many court appearances and county court judgements she finally settled her debt and my legal costs in November 2011 an hour before her bankruptcy hearing.

I have been involved with the bournemouth gay scene for over 20 years.

I love bournemouth so why would i try and damage it ?. i underwrote all the costs of Bourne Free for 2 years to ensure its contiued success and was very involved in the original set up.

I have raised thousands over the years for 'Over the rainbow' The Samaritans and Body Positive.and will continue to do so

I enjoy running DYMK Bar (Bournemouth's Award Winning Bar) which offers the scene a clean, safe venue with great entertainment, quality drinks & cocktails and a great party atmosphere 7 nights a week.

I work very hard to ensure DYMK continues to be successful and offers our customers a great pre club bar

Billy the mananger along with all the bar staff and Dj's offer excellent service to all our customers and I recieve excellent feedback.

I stand on the door most weekends thanking cutomers for joining us and giving directions to 2930 and the Xchange to visitors to the town

If you would like to contact me direct you will find me at DYMK most nights.

You can also contact me via www.dymk-bar.com which also promototes every other gay bar town including 2930 !

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dalewilsomgaycommunitysupporter says...
3:04pm Tue 22 Jan 13

I feel i must say something in defense of 2930 and G bar the above Shaun Mitchell put in two objections to G bar obtaining a licence you can read it on the council licensing board one from police and two from shaun mitchell DYMK. I think that is wrong and unfair as we of the GAY COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE ANOTHER VENUE TO ENJOY APART FROM THE NIGHT CLUB AND BARS ALREADY AVAILIABLE OT US. What ever went on between tMitchell and Withers-Lancashire is between them. I have a membership for G it is tatefully done out with soft back ground music and we could actually speak to one anothe when i was in there. The outside smoking area was in the back garden and not on the road. My membership was checked every time i entered not as in Shaun Mitchell objection letter stated. I frequent all the Gay venues Dymk, Branksome the Xchange and 2930. Why the proprietor of one Gay venue has to object i have no idea.It is seen as personal.I enjoy my night's out in all the venues and have felt safe in them all and all venues are well run including 2930 Mrs L is always on the door and is very welcoming as is her staff an extremely well run venue. So i say to you all please be dignified and do not air dirty linen in public and i hope G bar will get their licence and Shaun Mitchell as a Gay venue owner and supporter of the Gay community as he says he is will drop his mislead and unfair objection and support the opening of another Gay Venue for you all to enjoy

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Ady123 says...
4:03pm Tue 22 Jan 13

shaun mitchell wrote:
Dear Ady123

Bmth99 is Not me !

I did have a business vendetta with Lynne Withers Lancashire when she conned me to lend her £40k to set up 2930 back in December 2008 and then tried to get out of paying it back.

After many court appearances and county court judgements she finally settled her debt and my legal costs in November 2011 an hour before her bankruptcy hearing.

I have been involved with the bournemouth gay scene for over 20 years.

I love bournemouth so why would i try and damage it ?. i underwrote all the costs of Bourne Free for 2 years to ensure its contiued success and was very involved in the original set up.

I have raised thousands over the years for 'Over the rainbow' The Samaritans and Body Positive.and will continue to do so

I enjoy running DYMK Bar (Bournemouth's Award Winning Bar) which offers the scene a clean, safe venue with great entertainment, quality drinks & cocktails and a great party atmosphere 7 nights a week.

I work very hard to ensure DYMK continues to be successful and offers our customers a great pre club bar

Billy the mananger along with all the bar staff and Dj's offer excellent service to all our customers and I recieve excellent feedback.

I stand on the door most weekends thanking cutomers for joining us and giving directions to 2930 and the Xchange to visitors to the town

If you would like to contact me direct you will find me at DYMK most nights.

You can also contact me via www.dymk-bar.com which also promototes every other gay bar town including 2930 !
Just obtained documents from Bournemouth Council.
So Shaun do you still stand by these words saying
" I have been involved with the bournemouth gay scene for over 20 years. I love bournemouth so why would i try and damage it ?"
Or shall i post both objection letters with your name clearly on them?
Hmmm! Seems to me from some of your comments that you think there will be trouble & fights within the gay community by having another gay venue! Sounds like your just out to damage Mrs W L reputation & do not care for the good of the gay community unless it's suits yourself,

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shaun mitchell says...
4:56pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Ady123

You seem to be more concerned about Lynne Withers Lancashires reputaion than the actual debate about the license.

I care passionatly about the triangles reputation. The triangle was a really safe area years ago when customers could go from pub to club with minimal trouble.

I attended many meetings with the police and council to get the area covered by CCTV.

Over the years bars and clubs have opened later and more and more anti social behaviour is being reported.

I believe there are already enough late night venues in the triangle and do not want the area turning into another Old Christchurch Road. The Xchange, 2930, Priva & The Winchester are all open until around 5am and the Branksome licensed til 3am ! DYMK closes at 1am so its clearly no threat or competition to G Bar !

My objection letter was about a late night license not about a person although it would appear you seem to think differently.

The vendetta was over in November 2011. case closed. old news now !

My objection letter actually encouraged the opening of more cafe bars just not open until til 3am !!!!

Why do we need a men only members gay club in 2012 ?? thats like going back 15 years.....talk about discrimination !

If you feel so strongly about licensing in Bournemouth then write to the police and licensing dept or better still apply to sit on the licensing board.

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Ady123 says...
5:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Shaun so was it ok for DYMK to open? According to you there are enough gay venues, but like i said it seems to suit yourself!
Did you object to the licence for Smoking Aces? I doubt it which is why we go back to you having a personal vendetta against Mrs W L.
I must say we have enjoyed many nights at 2930 as you do not get the trouble & hassle you get in the town center, we have also enjoyed going to some of the tea party's on a Sunday. Now you show me proof of all this 'supposed trouble'
As with any drinking establishment, might be a pub in the countryside, if alcohol is served you are at risk from bad behaviour! I have never witnessed trouble or the police at 2930 & we go clubbing there 2 or 3 times a month.
Oh & i see your on here a lot now & not Bmth99

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Ady123 says...
5:47pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Shaun so was it ok for DYMK to open? According to you there are enough gay venues, but like i said it seems to suit yourself!
Did you object to the licence for Smoking Aces? I doubt it which is why we go back to you having a personal vendetta against Mrs W L.
I must say we have enjoyed many nights at 2930 as you do not get the trouble & hassle you get in the town center, we have also enjoyed going to some of the tea party's on a Sunday. Now you show me proof of all this 'supposed trouble'
As with any drinking establishment, might be a pub in the countryside, if alcohol is served you are at risk from bad behaviour! I have never witnessed trouble or the police at 2930 & we go clubbing there 2 or 3 times a month.
Oh & i see your on here a lot now & not Bmth99

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shaun mitchell says...
6:19pm Tue 22 Jan 13

You seem to be very out of touch

Smokin Aces opened with the exsisitng Rubyz license and DYMK opened with the exsisitng Punch and Judy license.

The trouble is more common on the streets outside the bars and clubs NOT inside.

May i suggest you spend an evening watching the towns CCTV system between the hours of 1am - 6am or spend the night at Bournemouth A&E dept or better still Bournemouth Police Cells i'm sure you'll find all the proof you have requested.

The more late night bars and clubs that open in the area then the higher risk of trouble. FACT !

Your own comment above proves my point.......

"i have enjoyed many nights at 2930 as you do not get the trouble & hassle you get in the town centre"

Once again I am not bmth99 unlike you I am not hiding behind a screen name.

My offer of meeting up in person is still and will remain open to you Ady123

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Ady123 says...
9:15pm Tue 22 Jan 13

Yawn yawn yawn, My name is Adrian Nicholls, i work at LV so no i am not hiding behind a screen name.
Why would you want to meet me? I use to come into DYMK with our gay friends before heading to 2930, but will not spend another penny in there & my friends have also said this.
Your still comparing the Triangle to the town center!
Sorry if i didn't know the facts about other places, i work in insurance not the licence trade, so why would i have known this?
Best to leave it there as we obviously have different views

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