Judgement day for £11m RNLI scheme in Poole

BIG SPENDERS: The RNLI hopes to gain approval from planners for the new £11.2m development

PLAN: The proposed location showing the existing RNLI buildings in yellow

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AN £11.2million development that will allow the RNLI to build its own life-saving boats at Poole is due to go before planners today.

Officers are recommending that Borough of Poole’s planning committee gives approval to the scheme at the Lifeboat Maintenance Depot in West Quay Road.

It includes demolishing existing buildings and constructing two large buildings on the site, massive enough to build the lifesaving charity’s biggest lifeboats, which are 17m in length and weigh 40 tonnes.

There are currently seven lifeboat maintenance buildings, workshops and offices on the site which would be demolished and 115 new jobs would be created.

It is estimated that by bringing its all-weather lifeboat production and maintenance in house it would save the charity £3.7million a year once it was up and running.

Site levels would be raised by approximately 1.4m for flood protection measures and a new quay wall would be built.

However on the existing sea wall and pontoons there is evidence of rare sponge colonies, says the report by planning case office Clare Spiller, which is due to go before councillors.

“The proposed development will require the construction of a new sea wall which will result in the loss of the rare sponge colonies.

“However to encourage re-colonisation, the choice of building material and structural design will be important in encouraging the future re-colonisation and growth of the sponges.”

Concern has also been raised by Natural England about a possible disturbance to nesting birds in Poole Harbour, which includes international and nationally recognised conservation sites.

The aim is to incorporate the boat building and maintenance from five sites, both RNLI facilities and private contractors.

Angus Watson, head of construction and refit at the RNLI, said the project would generate big efficiencies and improve quality as well as protecting skills in the declining boatbuilding industry.

“It has huge potential,” he said. “We are very excited about what we can deliver.”

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6:16pm Wed 9 Jan 13

BIGTONE says...

Where are the details of the height of the proposed development?
I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.
Where are the details of the height of the proposed development? I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT. BIGTONE
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7:46pm Wed 9 Jan 13

pete woodley says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Where are the details of the height of the proposed development?
I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.
Very good question.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Where are the details of the height of the proposed development? I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.[/p][/quote]Very good question. pete woodley
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7:48pm Wed 9 Jan 13

pete woodley says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Where are the details of the height of the proposed development?
I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.
Very good question,it could effect the views of a lot of swanage people,and we must not upset them.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Where are the details of the height of the proposed development? I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.[/p][/quote]Very good question,it could effect the views of a lot of swanage people,and we must not upset them. pete woodley
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8:33pm Wed 9 Jan 13

daily reporter says...

no doubt the council will **** something up when a big company like the rnli want to get more jobs in the area.
no doubt the council will **** something up when a big company like the rnli want to get more jobs in the area. daily reporter
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9:00pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Shaftsbury says...

"BIG SPENDERS: The RNLI hopes to gain approval from planners for the new £11.2m development". Do remember that the £11.2m money is money donated by 'jo public'. Surely in times such as these when there are redundancies and businesses closing up and down the country, now is not the time for one of the UK's top five wealthiest national charities to be seen spending such money as they may not get donations like they have had in the past, in the future. The charity states it will create 115 new jobs but there have been redundancies in quite large numbers for the past two years already within the charity.
"BIG SPENDERS: The RNLI hopes to gain approval from planners for the new £11.2m development". Do remember that the £11.2m money is money donated by 'jo public'. Surely in times such as these when there are redundancies and businesses closing up and down the country, now is not the time for one of the UK's top five wealthiest national charities to be seen spending such money as they may not get donations like they have had in the past, in the future. The charity states it will create 115 new jobs but there have been redundancies in quite large numbers for the past two years already within the charity. Shaftsbury
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9:20pm Wed 9 Jan 13

darren_55 says...

How can it be creating 115 jobs? These services were carried out somewhere else before, and therefore 115 jobs will be lost at the previous supplier.

Bit like the usual new supermarket creating jobs lies. It's somewhere different to buy the same bread and milk you bought last week. New shelfstacking jobs in one store, less shelfstackers needed in the old one.
How can it be creating 115 jobs? These services were carried out somewhere else before, and therefore 115 jobs will be lost at the previous supplier. Bit like the usual new supermarket creating jobs lies. It's somewhere different to buy the same bread and milk you bought last week. New shelfstacking jobs in one store, less shelfstackers needed in the old one. darren_55
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10:03pm Wed 9 Jan 13

benjamin says...

This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water. benjamin
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11:40pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Shaftsbury says...

benjamin wrote:
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.
I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer.

I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.
[quote][p][bold]benjamin[/bold] wrote: This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.[/p][/quote]I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer. I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on. Shaftsbury
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8:17am Thu 10 Jan 13

Glashen says...

Shaftsbury wrote:
benjamin wrote:
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.
I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer.

I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.
This is an investment that the RNLI believes it needs to produce the best results from the donations they receive. As "Shaftsbury" says the RNLI is one of Britain's largest charities and has an excellent record in funding itself from public donations without having to take Government money to provide rescue services unlike most of the comparable services in other countries. The volunteer crews who risk their lives in rescues, deserve the best equipment the RNLI can provide and if this new facility aids in that provision I for one wholeheartedly support it. It is exactly the sort of forward thinking investment that makes me continue giving to the RNLI. It is also good news for Poole that the RNLI continue to build their presence in the town.
[quote][p][bold]Shaftsbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benjamin[/bold] wrote: This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.[/p][/quote]I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer. I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.[/p][/quote]This is an investment that the RNLI believes it needs to produce the best results from the donations they receive. As "Shaftsbury" says the RNLI is one of Britain's largest charities and has an excellent record in funding itself from public donations without having to take Government money to provide rescue services unlike most of the comparable services in other countries. The volunteer crews who risk their lives in rescues, deserve the best equipment the RNLI can provide and if this new facility aids in that provision I for one wholeheartedly support it. It is exactly the sort of forward thinking investment that makes me continue giving to the RNLI. It is also good news for Poole that the RNLI continue to build their presence in the town. Glashen
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8:39am Thu 10 Jan 13

dorset68 says...

Shaftsbury wrote:
benjamin wrote:
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.
I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer.

I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.
Those of you saying this is a waste of money - did you miss this part?:

"It is estimated that by bringing its all-weather lifeboat production and maintenance in house it would save the charity £3.7million a year once it was up and running."
[quote][p][bold]Shaftsbury[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benjamin[/bold] wrote: This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.[/p][/quote]I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer. I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.[/p][/quote]Those of you saying this is a waste of money - did you miss this part?: "It is estimated that by bringing its all-weather lifeboat production and maintenance in house it would save the charity £3.7million a year once it was up and running." dorset68
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9:28am Thu 10 Jan 13

speedy231278 says...

So, you lot saying a charity can't spend money because everyone is skint... what are they supposed to do with it? Invest it in an Icelandic bank like the Cats Protection League and lose what was it, £12M? No, they want to invest in the local area, and their scheme will be a net profit in 3 years if their figures add up, plus some local jobs will be created. It doesn't stand to reason that every new job is a lost job elsewhere, although there may be a certain number of casualties as a result. But, you don't know if perhaps some of those may come to this new scheme.

Surely it's a better use of millions of quid in Poole than a bridge that hardly ever works?
So, you lot saying a charity can't spend money because everyone is skint... what are they supposed to do with it? Invest it in an Icelandic bank like the Cats Protection League and lose what was it, £12M? No, they want to invest in the local area, and their scheme will be a net profit in 3 years if their figures add up, plus some local jobs will be created. It doesn't stand to reason that every new job is a lost job elsewhere, although there may be a certain number of casualties as a result. But, you don't know if perhaps some of those may come to this new scheme. Surely it's a better use of millions of quid in Poole than a bridge that hardly ever works? speedy231278
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10:58am Thu 10 Jan 13

ABCD1 says...

I'm quite sure alot of the moaners are those that don't even donate to this very worthy cause, so why are you even commenting on how the money is spent.

Clearly if they can save such significant amounts of money per year then the period of time it takes to see a return on their investment won't be too long.

As always they are doing what is best for the charity and after all this charity saves alot of lives each and every year. So let them carry on and lets enjoy the jobs that it brings to the area.

The moaners won't be moaning if their son / daughter / grandson / grandaughter benefit from a job when they leave school. I know I won't be.

Good luck RNLI
I'm quite sure alot of the moaners are those that don't even donate to this very worthy cause, so why are you even commenting on how the money is spent. Clearly if they can save such significant amounts of money per year then the period of time it takes to see a return on their investment won't be too long. As always they are doing what is best for the charity and after all this charity saves alot of lives each and every year. So let them carry on and lets enjoy the jobs that it brings to the area. The moaners won't be moaning if their son / daughter / grandson / grandaughter benefit from a job when they leave school. I know I won't be. Good luck RNLI ABCD1
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11:11am Thu 10 Jan 13

peterlucas says...

Some of these council officials really need to get their priorities right. This will help a very important charity that provides a vital public service to be more efficient and provide new jobs. And they are worried about rare sponges. Really quite bizzare.

As to the comments about cost, this will save the charity almost £4 million a year. Sometimes you have to spend money to save money. The business case here for the development is obvious in that it will improve their long term viability.
Some of these council officials really need to get their priorities right. This will help a very important charity that provides a vital public service to be more efficient and provide new jobs. And they are worried about rare sponges. Really quite bizzare. As to the comments about cost, this will save the charity almost £4 million a year. Sometimes you have to spend money to save money. The business case here for the development is obvious in that it will improve their long term viability. peterlucas
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11:20am Thu 10 Jan 13

Shaftsbury says...

I am sure Poole's planning dept will give permission for this and I am sure that the charity will spend the money - however that doesn't mean all their supporters agree with it (take note ABCD1 in that I am a supporter of the charity).

I still believe they should not be spending such a huge amount of money in this current climate, as the supporters of today may not be around to continue to support in the future.

If this is the sort of money they have to spend like this now, perhaps they need to re-**** where there future funds will come from.

I for one, will be having a re-think. Though dont get me wrong, the lifeboat crews are amazing people who do amazing jobs and I appreciate they need the best equipment to keep them safe, which they have.

This money is for the demolition and new build of buildings - big enough to build their largest vessels.

Again, as I said, not what I donate my funds for when there are buildings currently doing the job well enough. Perhaps when the economic climate improves, it wouldnt be such a noticeable spend but I just dont think now is the time - for a charity anyway.
I am sure Poole's planning dept will give permission for this and I am sure that the charity will spend the money - however that doesn't mean all their supporters agree with it (take note ABCD1 in that I am a supporter of the charity). I still believe they should not be spending such a huge amount of money in this current climate, as the supporters of today may not be around to continue to support in the future. If this is the sort of money they have to spend like this now, perhaps they need to re-**** where there future funds will come from. I for one, will be having a re-think. Though dont get me wrong, the lifeboat crews are amazing people who do amazing jobs and I appreciate they need the best equipment to keep them safe, which they have. This money is for the demolition and new build of buildings - big enough to build their largest vessels. Again, as I said, not what I donate my funds for when there are buildings currently doing the job well enough. Perhaps when the economic climate improves, it wouldnt be such a noticeable spend but I just dont think now is the time - for a charity anyway. Shaftsbury
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12:37pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

The planners would have to be absolutely crazy to block this application, what with the work it will provide for the local area and the fantastic work that the RNLI do around the ENTIRE COAST OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND. Good Luck RNLI, and all who sail in you.
The planners would have to be absolutely crazy to block this application, what with the work it will provide for the local area and the fantastic work that the RNLI do around the ENTIRE COAST OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND. Good Luck RNLI, and all who sail in you. Letcommonsenseprevail
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1:31pm Thu 10 Jan 13

woby_tide says...

Shaftsbury wrote:
I am sure Poole's planning dept will give permission for this and I am sure that the charity will spend the money - however that doesn't mean all their supporters agree with it (take note ABCD1 in that I am a supporter of the charity).

I still believe they should not be spending such a huge amount of money in this current climate, as the supporters of today may not be around to continue to support in the future.

If this is the sort of money they have to spend like this now, perhaps they need to re-**** where there future funds will come from.

I for one, will be having a re-think. Though dont get me wrong, the lifeboat crews are amazing people who do amazing jobs and I appreciate they need the best equipment to keep them safe, which they have.

This money is for the demolition and new build of buildings - big enough to build their largest vessels.

Again, as I said, not what I donate my funds for when there are buildings currently doing the job well enough. Perhaps when the economic climate improves, it wouldnt be such a noticeable spend but I just dont think now is the time - for a charity anyway.
Honestly? So you think a better strategy is spending £3.7m every year in perpetuity whilst running facilities into the ground until they are no longer deemed fit for use is a better long term that strategy than an £11.2m layout that will build state of the art new facilities for their long term maintenance needs that will be paid off by the savings made within 3 years?

So instead you want to stop donating to them. Unbelievable. If the trustees started taking that view I'd withdraw funding on the grounds that they aren't running the Charity with it's long term interests in mind. Given they have reserves and set aside capital to fund these projects it's a mere drop in the ocean to them and probably already funded through previous years donations.

You come across as petty if you will withdraw donations because they have looked at the long term future of the Charity. Read the accounts, they are efficient and spend less than they receive through donations. if it was in reverse you may have some argument not to outlay but this appears to be a prudent and well thought out decision. Good luck to them in the planning decision
[quote][p][bold]Shaftsbury[/bold] wrote: I am sure Poole's planning dept will give permission for this and I am sure that the charity will spend the money - however that doesn't mean all their supporters agree with it (take note ABCD1 in that I am a supporter of the charity). I still believe they should not be spending such a huge amount of money in this current climate, as the supporters of today may not be around to continue to support in the future. If this is the sort of money they have to spend like this now, perhaps they need to re-**** where there future funds will come from. I for one, will be having a re-think. Though dont get me wrong, the lifeboat crews are amazing people who do amazing jobs and I appreciate they need the best equipment to keep them safe, which they have. This money is for the demolition and new build of buildings - big enough to build their largest vessels. Again, as I said, not what I donate my funds for when there are buildings currently doing the job well enough. Perhaps when the economic climate improves, it wouldnt be such a noticeable spend but I just dont think now is the time - for a charity anyway.[/p][/quote]Honestly? So you think a better strategy is spending £3.7m every year in perpetuity whilst running facilities into the ground until they are no longer deemed fit for use is a better long term that strategy than an £11.2m layout that will build state of the art new facilities for their long term maintenance needs that will be paid off by the savings made within 3 years? So instead you want to stop donating to them. Unbelievable. If the trustees started taking that view I'd withdraw funding on the grounds that they aren't running the Charity with it's long term interests in mind. Given they have reserves and set aside capital to fund these projects it's a mere drop in the ocean to them and probably already funded through previous years donations. You come across as petty if you will withdraw donations because they have looked at the long term future of the Charity. Read the accounts, they are efficient and spend less than they receive through donations. if it was in reverse you may have some argument not to outlay but this appears to be a prudent and well thought out decision. Good luck to them in the planning decision woby_tide
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2:31pm Thu 10 Jan 13

benjamin says...

peterlucas wrote:
Some of these council officials really need to get their priorities right. This will help a very important charity that provides a vital public service to be more efficient and provide new jobs. And they are worried about rare sponges. Really quite bizzare.

As to the comments about cost, this will save the charity almost £4 million a year. Sometimes you have to spend money to save money. The business case here for the development is obvious in that it will improve their long term viability.
Hi Peter.
[quote][p][bold]peterlucas[/bold] wrote: Some of these council officials really need to get their priorities right. This will help a very important charity that provides a vital public service to be more efficient and provide new jobs. And they are worried about rare sponges. Really quite bizzare. As to the comments about cost, this will save the charity almost £4 million a year. Sometimes you have to spend money to save money. The business case here for the development is obvious in that it will improve their long term viability.[/p][/quote]Hi Peter. benjamin
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