We've lost everything: family's lucky escape from fire

We've lost everything: family's lucky escape from fire

LUCKY ESCAPE: The blackened living room after a fire at Kay Gisbourne’s flat in Anstey Close, Kinson left her and her children Megan, 12, Toby, 6 months, homeless overnight

SHOCKED: Kay Gisbourne and her children Megan, 12 and Toby, six months

First published in News by

DESPITE watching her home going up in smoke, single mum Kay Gisbourne was counting her blessings yesterday after her precious children escaped with their lives.

Fighting back tears, she said: “I’d bought their Christmas presents; they have all gone but the main thing is that we will be together for Christmas. Our possessions are destroyed but they can be replaced; we could have died in our sleep.”

Now Kay, 32, her daughter Megan, whose 12th birthday was yesterday, and six-month-old Toby face the bleak prospect of spending the festive season in bed and breakfast accommodation.

Yesterday they were being comforted by close friends Shereen and Pete Lewis who gave them their bed for the night after a fire gutted the first-floor council flat in Anstey Close, Kinson.

Speaking just hours after the blaze on Thursday night, thought to have been caused by a faulty fridge, Kay said: “Thankfully the children got out but three of our four cats perished.

“We were in bed when the fire alarm sounded at around 10.15pm.

“We’d been at Shereen and Pete’s house earlier and come home laden with presents. I woke to see smoke in the kitchen and grabbed the children; I went back for the cats but only one survived.

“Three other families in the block also managed to escape. We were in our pyjamas, luckily one neighbour has a car and we put the children there to keep warm until fire crews and the Red Cross arrived.

“I’d been in the flat for around seven years so all my possessions were in there, including the Christmas presents and Megan’s birthday presents. The timing couldn’t have been worse and we aren’t even insured. It’s heartbreaking but the main thing is that the children are safe and nobody else was hurt.”

Fire investigation officer Mike Cox said the family had “a really lucky escape,” adding: “The flat suffered severe fire and smoke damage. Their smoke alarms activated and alerted them, giving them time to escape before the fire produced lots of thick, acrid, black smoke. Unfortunately three cats were not so lucky.

“Just before Christmas it is even more important to ensure your smoke alarm is working. With all the extra decorations, distractions and people at home it is easy to forget the extra fire risk.”

A Bournemouth council spokeswoman, surveying the charred remains of Kay’s flat, said: “The family will be offered a temporary home; probably in a bed and breakfast accommodation, until their flat is repaired. It could take a couple of months.”

Pete said: “They’ve lost everything; their Christmas has been ruined, but people are being very kind and offers of help are already coming in.”

If you can help the Gisbourne family ring Pete on 01202 570754 or 07534 407208.

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8:55am Sat 22 Dec 12

BIGTONE says...

Glad they are all safe and well.

It is a worrying situation when a tenant cannot afford any kind of home insurance. What happens if your home fire destroys another home etc?
Insurance for cars are compulsory the same should apply to all tenants and homeowners.
Maybe the council should offer discounted rates of insurance in their properties.private landlords too.
Glad they are all safe and well. It is a worrying situation when a tenant cannot afford any kind of home insurance. What happens if your home fire destroys another home etc? Insurance for cars are compulsory the same should apply to all tenants and homeowners. Maybe the council should offer discounted rates of insurance in their properties.private landlords too. BIGTONE
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9:21am Sat 22 Dec 12

l'anglais says...

Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family?
Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf.
For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.
Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family? Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf. For Pete's sake, what has this country come to. l'anglais
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9:35am Sat 22 Dec 12

Lucy28 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
Glad they are all safe and well.

It is a worrying situation when a tenant cannot afford any kind of home insurance. What happens if your home fire destroys another home etc?
Insurance for cars are compulsory the same should apply to all tenants and homeowners.
Maybe the council should offer discounted rates of insurance in their properties.private landlords too.
I actually agree with this, having home insurance should be a condition of your tenancy. I am glad obviously that they are all safe and well and it goes to show the importance of having working smoke alarms
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Glad they are all safe and well. It is a worrying situation when a tenant cannot afford any kind of home insurance. What happens if your home fire destroys another home etc? Insurance for cars are compulsory the same should apply to all tenants and homeowners. Maybe the council should offer discounted rates of insurance in their properties.private landlords too.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with this, having home insurance should be a condition of your tenancy. I am glad obviously that they are all safe and well and it goes to show the importance of having working smoke alarms Lucy28
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9:40am Sat 22 Dec 12

hamworthygirl says...

Lucy28 wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
Glad they are all safe and well.

It is a worrying situation when a tenant cannot afford any kind of home insurance. What happens if your home fire destroys another home etc?
Insurance for cars are compulsory the same should apply to all tenants and homeowners.
Maybe the council should offer discounted rates of insurance in their properties.private landlords too.
I actually agree with this, having home insurance should be a condition of your tenancy. I am glad obviously that they are all safe and well and it goes to show the importance of having working smoke alarms
I have to agree with both comments house insurance is a must. It maybe that the council can help with discounted insurance perhaps in with the rent. I am glad that all are safe such a bad time for them but at least they are alive.
[quote][p][bold]Lucy28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: Glad they are all safe and well. It is a worrying situation when a tenant cannot afford any kind of home insurance. What happens if your home fire destroys another home etc? Insurance for cars are compulsory the same should apply to all tenants and homeowners. Maybe the council should offer discounted rates of insurance in their properties.private landlords too.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with this, having home insurance should be a condition of your tenancy. I am glad obviously that they are all safe and well and it goes to show the importance of having working smoke alarms[/p][/quote]I have to agree with both comments house insurance is a must. It maybe that the council can help with discounted insurance perhaps in with the rent. I am glad that all are safe such a bad time for them but at least they are alive. hamworthygirl
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10:02am Sat 22 Dec 12

MJD says...

l'anglais wrote:
Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family?
Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf.
For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.
Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family? Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf. For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.[/p][/quote]Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind. MJD
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10:04am Sat 22 Dec 12

power_ranger says...

I can barely afford to put food on the table, and have to choose very carefully when to turn the heating on or off due to the fuel prices.
I'm on an £18k income with a degree and working in the industry I trained for at uni, and live alone in a 1 bed flat. Home insurance would be a luxury purchase. This woman also has children to pay for. I feel for her. Compulsory home insurance would add 20-30% to the cost of renting. Who are you expecting to pay for this?
I can barely afford to put food on the table, and have to choose very carefully when to turn the heating on or off due to the fuel prices. I'm on an £18k income with a degree and working in the industry I trained for at uni, and live alone in a 1 bed flat. Home insurance would be a luxury purchase. This woman also has children to pay for. I feel for her. Compulsory home insurance would add 20-30% to the cost of renting. Who are you expecting to pay for this? power_ranger
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10:07am Sat 22 Dec 12

southbourne lover says...

I cannot understand why people do not have insurance. A decent amount of contents cover can be had for around £6 a month.
I cannot understand why people do not have insurance. A decent amount of contents cover can be had for around £6 a month. southbourne lover
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10:23am Sat 22 Dec 12

l'anglais says...

MJD wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family?
Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf.
For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.
Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.
My point was that compassion should come from society as a whole not one benevolent individual.
As for insurance companies, they should be nationalised and non profit making.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family? Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf. For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.[/p][/quote]Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.[/p][/quote]My point was that compassion should come from society as a whole not one benevolent individual. As for insurance companies, they should be nationalised and non profit making. l'anglais
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10:24am Sat 22 Dec 12

abc100 says...

Pitch inspection at Gresty Rd at 11am
Pitch inspection at Gresty Rd at 11am abc100
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10:26am Sat 22 Dec 12

abc100 says...

abc100 wrote:
Pitch inspection at Gresty Rd at 11am
My apologies, wrong page
[quote][p][bold]abc100[/bold] wrote: Pitch inspection at Gresty Rd at 11am[/p][/quote]My apologies, wrong page abc100
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10:26am Sat 22 Dec 12

gileto says...

Council tenants over in Poole are signposted towards tenants contents insurance for well under the £6 a month quoted and are often reminded of the importance of spending what amounts to half a packet of fags/pint of beer on protecting their belongings. Sadly, it doesn't always sink in thou as naturally, some people think it won't happen to them - even those that smoke inside the property.
Council tenants over in Poole are signposted towards tenants contents insurance for well under the £6 a month quoted and are often reminded of the importance of spending what amounts to half a packet of fags/pint of beer on protecting their belongings. Sadly, it doesn't always sink in thou as naturally, some people think it won't happen to them - even those that smoke inside the property. gileto
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10:48am Sat 22 Dec 12

jemima36 says...

even if they had had insurance they wouldnt have been able to sort it out in time for christmas, have a heart people x
even if they had had insurance they wouldnt have been able to sort it out in time for christmas, have a heart people x jemima36
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10:51am Sat 22 Dec 12

MJD says...

gileto wrote:
Council tenants over in Poole are signposted towards tenants contents insurance for well under the £6 a month quoted and are often reminded of the importance of spending what amounts to half a packet of fags/pint of beer on protecting their belongings. Sadly, it doesn't always sink in thou as naturally, some people think it won't happen to them - even those that smoke inside the property.
£6 a month. That's £72 a year and that's for full content cover. Pull the other one. It probably full of get out clauses and restrictions it not worth the paper its written on..
[quote][p][bold]gileto[/bold] wrote: Council tenants over in Poole are signposted towards tenants contents insurance for well under the £6 a month quoted and are often reminded of the importance of spending what amounts to half a packet of fags/pint of beer on protecting their belongings. Sadly, it doesn't always sink in thou as naturally, some people think it won't happen to them - even those that smoke inside the property.[/p][/quote]£6 a month. That's £72 a year and that's for full content cover. Pull the other one. It probably full of get out clauses and restrictions it not worth the paper its written on.. MJD
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11:07am Sat 22 Dec 12

Drew_Peacock says...

There seems to be an increase in the number of fires attributed to fridges lately. It would be worth knowing more details of the exact cause so that others can take any necessary precautions, ie is the cause actually a faulty appliance, or the use of extension leads/multi way plug adaptors, or a big build up of fluff etc around the motor, or damaged/jointed flexes, or a combination of these things?. Can Dorset fire & rescue give us more details?.
There seems to be an increase in the number of fires attributed to fridges lately. It would be worth knowing more details of the exact cause so that others can take any necessary precautions, ie is the cause actually a faulty appliance, or the use of extension leads/multi way plug adaptors, or a big build up of fluff etc around the motor, or damaged/jointed flexes, or a combination of these things?. Can Dorset fire & rescue give us more details?. Drew_Peacock
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11:19am Sat 22 Dec 12

Arthur Maureen says...

l'anglais wrote:
MJD wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family?
Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf.
For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.
Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.
My point was that compassion should come from society as a whole not one benevolent individual.
As for insurance companies, they should be nationalised and non profit making.
L'anglais, you are truly a miserable knob. Agree with other posts regarding compulsory contents cover for tenants though, a decent policy would have avoided all this heartachen for this family.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family? Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf. For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.[/p][/quote]Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.[/p][/quote]My point was that compassion should come from society as a whole not one benevolent individual. As for insurance companies, they should be nationalised and non profit making.[/p][/quote]L'anglais, you are truly a miserable knob. Agree with other posts regarding compulsory contents cover for tenants though, a decent policy would have avoided all this heartachen for this family. Arthur Maureen
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12:01pm Sat 22 Dec 12

ScoobyVic says...

There was also a fire at a flat over Portsmouth way yesterday where a child was pulled out by someone as mum had left him and gone shopping. They have also lost everything and also the cats died, I really feel for both families losing everything and so close to Christmas too although if the woman in Portsmouth hadn't left her 9yr old on his own she would have probably spotted the fire. Not sure how that one started.
There was also a fire at a flat over Portsmouth way yesterday where a child was pulled out by someone as mum had left him and gone shopping. They have also lost everything and also the cats died, I really feel for both families losing everything and so close to Christmas too although if the woman in Portsmouth hadn't left her 9yr old on his own she would have probably spotted the fire. Not sure how that one started. ScoobyVic
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12:06pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Lucy28 says...

power_ranger wrote:
I can barely afford to put food on the table, and have to choose very carefully when to turn the heating on or off due to the fuel prices.
I'm on an £18k income with a degree and working in the industry I trained for at uni, and live alone in a 1 bed flat. Home insurance would be a luxury purchase. This woman also has children to pay for. I feel for her. Compulsory home insurance would add 20-30% to the cost of renting. Who are you expecting to pay for this?
My income actually is less than yours I have kids to feed and clothe too, I rent i pay full rent in receipt of no benefits I pay £65 a year for home contents my landlord carries the building insurance I don't consider it a luxury purchase I consider it a necessary exspence of living. I would however if we are going to be picky about it consider having 4 cats as a luxury.

I do have a heart I can't imagine what it's like for them and I hope that they get some help. Its a horrible thing to happen to anyone especially this time of year
[quote][p][bold]power_ranger[/bold] wrote: I can barely afford to put food on the table, and have to choose very carefully when to turn the heating on or off due to the fuel prices. I'm on an £18k income with a degree and working in the industry I trained for at uni, and live alone in a 1 bed flat. Home insurance would be a luxury purchase. This woman also has children to pay for. I feel for her. Compulsory home insurance would add 20-30% to the cost of renting. Who are you expecting to pay for this?[/p][/quote]My income actually is less than yours I have kids to feed and clothe too, I rent i pay full rent in receipt of no benefits I pay £65 a year for home contents my landlord carries the building insurance I don't consider it a luxury purchase I consider it a necessary exspence of living. I would however if we are going to be picky about it consider having 4 cats as a luxury. I do have a heart I can't imagine what it's like for them and I hope that they get some help. Its a horrible thing to happen to anyone especially this time of year Lucy28
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12:10pm Sat 22 Dec 12

big_afcb_fan says...

Big society... We must help the government tell us too ;)
Big society... We must help the government tell us too ;) big_afcb_fan
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12:12pm Sat 22 Dec 12

djd says...

There are some miserable people commenting on this story.
This family has lost everything and all some can do is moan.
A bit of Christmas spirit wouldn't go amiss, go and buy an extra toy and give it to these children, it's not their faults.
Search out some clothing for them.
Happy Christmas everyone.
There are some miserable people commenting on this story. This family has lost everything and all some can do is moan. A bit of Christmas spirit wouldn't go amiss, go and buy an extra toy and give it to these children, it's not their faults. Search out some clothing for them. Happy Christmas everyone. djd
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12:52pm Sat 22 Dec 12

j7brooks says...

Fault of serial killer of her own kin sons, forced Kay to want to pee all the time by attacking her bladder, kills, rapes and assaults cats and talks to fridges. Tracey Mordecai.
Fault of serial killer of her own kin sons, forced Kay to want to pee all the time by attacking her bladder, kills, rapes and assaults cats and talks to fridges. Tracey Mordecai. j7brooks
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2:40pm Sat 22 Dec 12

southbourne lover says...

j7brooks wrote:
Fault of serial killer of her own kin sons, forced Kay to want to pee all the time by attacking her bladder, kills, rapes and assaults cats and talks to fridges. Tracey Mordecai.
Please explain!
[quote][p][bold]j7brooks[/bold] wrote: Fault of serial killer of her own kin sons, forced Kay to want to pee all the time by attacking her bladder, kills, rapes and assaults cats and talks to fridges. Tracey Mordecai.[/p][/quote]Please explain! southbourne lover
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2:55pm Sat 22 Dec 12

BIGTONE says...

southbourne lover wrote:
j7brooks wrote:
Fault of serial killer of her own kin sons, forced Kay to want to pee all the time by attacking her bladder, kills, rapes and assaults cats and talks to fridges. Tracey Mordecai.
Please explain!
Crack Cocaine.
[quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j7brooks[/bold] wrote: Fault of serial killer of her own kin sons, forced Kay to want to pee all the time by attacking her bladder, kills, rapes and assaults cats and talks to fridges. Tracey Mordecai.[/p][/quote]Please explain![/p][/quote]Crack Cocaine. BIGTONE
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2:58pm Sat 22 Dec 12

steve518 says...

Food & vets bills for four cats, yet can't afford content insurance. Glad you are all ok, sorry you have lost three cats, but please get your priorities in order.
Food & vets bills for four cats, yet can't afford content insurance. Glad you are all ok, sorry you have lost three cats, but please get your priorities in order. steve518
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3:20pm Sat 22 Dec 12

ctrewyou says...

l'anglais wrote:
Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family?
Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf.
For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.
Good to read a post from a fellow socialist. Good on you, I agree absolutely.
[quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family? Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf. For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.[/p][/quote]Good to read a post from a fellow socialist. Good on you, I agree absolutely. ctrewyou
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4:01pm Sat 22 Dec 12

l'anglais says...

Arthur Maureen wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
MJD wrote:
l'anglais wrote:
Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family?
Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf.
For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.
Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.
My point was that compassion should come from society as a whole not one benevolent individual.
As for insurance companies, they should be nationalised and non profit making.
L'anglais, you are truly a miserable knob. Agree with other posts regarding compulsory contents cover for tenants though, a decent policy would have avoided all this heartachen for this family.
Oh go on rub it in why don't you.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Oh by the way............humbu
g
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]l'anglais[/bold] wrote: Why do I have to contact Pete to help this family? Having paid income, council and business tax for many years why aren't society's elected guardians (The Government and Local Council) providing assistance on my behalf. For Pete's sake, what has this country come to.[/p][/quote]Why contact Pete. I would have though that was obvious. This families Christmas has been destroyed, it supposed to be a joyous happy time of thanksgiving and forgiveness. Instead they are now shoved in a B&B no clothes or shoes no Christmas presents and possibly no Christmas dinner. Have you no compassion for fellow mankind.[/p][/quote]My point was that compassion should come from society as a whole not one benevolent individual. As for insurance companies, they should be nationalised and non profit making.[/p][/quote]L'anglais, you are truly a miserable knob. Agree with other posts regarding compulsory contents cover for tenants though, a decent policy would have avoided all this heartachen for this family.[/p][/quote]Oh go on rub it in why don't you. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Oh by the way............humbu g l'anglais
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4:29pm Sat 22 Dec 12

spooki says...

power_ranger wrote:
I can barely afford to put food on the table, and have to choose very carefully when to turn the heating on or off due to the fuel prices.
I'm on an £18k income with a degree and working in the industry I trained for at uni, and live alone in a 1 bed flat. Home insurance would be a luxury purchase. This woman also has children to pay for. I feel for her. Compulsory home insurance would add 20-30% to the cost of renting. Who are you expecting to pay for this?
You're getting £18,000 a year and you're whining about not being able to afford insurance? When I worked full time I was lucky to bring home £12,000 and that was a responsible, hard working, 'everyday' retail job. We are now on a low income but still manage to pay £7 a month for home insurance.
However, I feel very sorry for this family. It's a horrible thing to happen to anyone at anytime, but at Christmas time everything seems worse.
Oh and I hope Megan had a nice birthday. I have a Christmas birthday too, it's nice when everything is all sparkly and festive. Best wishes.
[quote][p][bold]power_ranger[/bold] wrote: I can barely afford to put food on the table, and have to choose very carefully when to turn the heating on or off due to the fuel prices. I'm on an £18k income with a degree and working in the industry I trained for at uni, and live alone in a 1 bed flat. Home insurance would be a luxury purchase. This woman also has children to pay for. I feel for her. Compulsory home insurance would add 20-30% to the cost of renting. Who are you expecting to pay for this?[/p][/quote]You're getting £18,000 a year and you're whining about not being able to afford insurance? When I worked full time I was lucky to bring home £12,000 and that was a responsible, hard working, 'everyday' retail job. We are now on a low income but still manage to pay £7 a month for home insurance. However, I feel very sorry for this family. It's a horrible thing to happen to anyone at anytime, but at Christmas time everything seems worse. Oh and I hope Megan had a nice birthday. I have a Christmas birthday too, it's nice when everything is all sparkly and festive. Best wishes. spooki
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5:08pm Sat 22 Dec 12

alasdair1967 says...

Maybe they should find a car to sleep and move into the borough of Poole would not be in bed and breakfast if anything this family are more deserving than the two featured earlier this week !
Maybe they should find a car to sleep and move into the borough of Poole would not be in bed and breakfast if anything this family are more deserving than the two featured earlier this week ! alasdair1967
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5:14pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Crimbo says...

As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure.
Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...
As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure. Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will... Crimbo
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5:29pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Kiki1973 says...

It's illegal not to have insurance on a property you own but not on one you rent, though most landlords make it a condition of the lease these days. As for contents cover being a luxury, I have £21,000 cover for about £6.50 per month which is hardly breaking the bank.
It's illegal not to have insurance on a property you own but not on one you rent, though most landlords make it a condition of the lease these days. As for contents cover being a luxury, I have £21,000 cover for about £6.50 per month which is hardly breaking the bank. Kiki1973
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5:47pm Sat 22 Dec 12

MJD says...

Crimbo wrote:
As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure.
Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...
I would have expected better from an Ex fireman. Heath and safety comes to mind ???
[quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure. Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...[/p][/quote]I would have expected better from an Ex fireman. Heath and safety comes to mind ??? MJD
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7:55pm Sat 22 Dec 12

A Lofty says...

I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.
I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now. A Lofty
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8:28pm Sat 22 Dec 12

traceyannconnor says...

Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know! traceyannconnor
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8:38pm Sat 22 Dec 12

ctrewyou says...

A Lofty wrote:
I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.
You may not consider yourself to be without compassion, but, actually, you are completely without compassion, or only feel compassion for people you feel deserve your compassion.
She's on her own with a 6 month baby. Perhaps the baby's father is dead, perhaps he left her her, perhaps, actually, it's completely irrelevant to this story. Why is the paternity of her baby relevant to a story about a fire in her flat?
You are not being asked for anything so you can go back to working really hard and being compassionate towards people who actually desrve it, not like this family, obviously. She made a choice between insurance and cat food, and now realises this was a mistake. So what? Lot's of people do that, you do not need to be so rude and judgemental towards her. A baby, insurance, and cats, why so much f***ing, ###**ing, and bl***$$£??? It's not the most controversial story of the year.
Especially at this time of year, you could do worse than ask 'what would Jesus do?' I'm not personally religious, but I do know that Jesus was compassionate towards everyone he came across, whether they were 'deserving' or not. In this apparently Christian country, it's worth reflecting on.
[quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.[/p][/quote]You may not consider yourself to be without compassion, but, actually, you are completely without compassion, or only feel compassion for people you feel deserve your compassion. She's on her own with a 6 month baby. Perhaps the baby's father is dead, perhaps he left her her, perhaps, actually, it's completely irrelevant to this story. Why is the paternity of her baby relevant to a story about a fire in her flat? You are not being asked for anything so you can go back to working really hard and being compassionate towards people who actually desrve it, not like this family, obviously. She made a choice between insurance and cat food, and now realises this was a mistake. So what? Lot's of people do that, you do not need to be so rude and judgemental towards her. A baby, insurance, and cats, why so much f***ing, ###**ing, and bl***$$£??? It's not the most controversial story of the year. Especially at this time of year, you could do worse than ask 'what would Jesus do?' I'm not personally religious, but I do know that Jesus was compassionate towards everyone he came across, whether they were 'deserving' or not. In this apparently Christian country, it's worth reflecting on. ctrewyou
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8:52pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Anniez18 says...

I agree with Crimbo, there looks to be a certain amount of their possessions which will be OK after a bit of a clean up. I do feel for her yes, but for goodness sake buckle down with the soap and water.
I agree with Crimbo, there looks to be a certain amount of their possessions which will be OK after a bit of a clean up. I do feel for her yes, but for goodness sake buckle down with the soap and water. Anniez18
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9:00pm Sat 22 Dec 12

Joefraser says...

Kiki1973 wrote:
It's illegal not to have insurance on a property you own but not on one you rent, though most landlords make it a condition of the lease these days. As for contents cover being a luxury, I have £21,000 cover for about £6.50 per month which is hardly breaking the bank.
Is that true? I thought you had to have house insurance while you were paying the mortgage ( and therefore didn't own it ) but when the house was yours it was up to you.
[quote][p][bold]Kiki1973[/bold] wrote: It's illegal not to have insurance on a property you own but not on one you rent, though most landlords make it a condition of the lease these days. As for contents cover being a luxury, I have £21,000 cover for about £6.50 per month which is hardly breaking the bank.[/p][/quote]Is that true? I thought you had to have house insurance while you were paying the mortgage ( and therefore didn't own it ) but when the house was yours it was up to you. Joefraser
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9:07pm Sat 22 Dec 12

stormhuntr says...

I can't believe half the comments on this, where has humanity gone... or the pure basis of if you can't say nothing nice, don't say nothing atall (was always a fan of bambi) .. it's christmas and the kids have been through a horrible horrible experience and have lost alot of things, I know these people have seen them a few time, theyre not druggies or alchies and the kids werent left alone when the fire started they were just a small familly looking forward to christmas.. and on the daughters birthday too.. have a hear,t ok if you don't want to donate items then fine but no need to acuse them or insult them. I have run round collecting things for them and many of my friends have all stepped up and helped out.. I'm glad my friends are more supportive than some of these comments I am reading. disgusting really.
I can't believe half the comments on this, where has humanity gone... or the pure basis of if you can't say nothing nice, don't say nothing atall (was always a fan of bambi) .. it's christmas and the kids have been through a horrible horrible experience and have lost alot of things, I know these people have seen them a few time, theyre not druggies or alchies and the kids werent left alone when the fire started they were just a small familly looking forward to christmas.. and on the daughters birthday too.. have a hear,t ok if you don't want to donate items then fine but no need to acuse them or insult them. I have run round collecting things for them and many of my friends have all stepped up and helped out.. I'm glad my friends are more supportive than some of these comments I am reading. disgusting really. stormhuntr
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9:20pm Sat 22 Dec 12

RageAgainstTheMachine says...

traceyannconnor wrote:
Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!!
Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
[quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law. RageAgainstTheMachine
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9:23pm Sat 22 Dec 12

donna2 says...

I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said!
I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said! donna2
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9:41pm Sat 22 Dec 12

stormhuntr says...

RageAgainstTheMachin
e
wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote:
Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!!
Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
they didnt say well done for having an alarm learn to read they said thanks to the alarm and well done to the people helping out .. I hate trolls who put comments just to be nasty go elsewhere and troll
[quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]they didnt say well done for having an alarm learn to read they said thanks to the alarm and well done to the people helping out .. I hate trolls who put comments just to be nasty go elsewhere and troll stormhuntr
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9:49pm Sat 22 Dec 12

sturman says...

donna2 wrote:
I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said!
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]donna2[/bold] wrote: I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said![/p][/quote]Well said! sturman
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9:51pm Sat 22 Dec 12

southbourne lover says...

RageAgainstTheMachin
e
wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote:
Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!!
Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
[quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one. southbourne lover
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9:53pm Sat 22 Dec 12

The Timelord says...

Two interesting observations on this thread:
(1) Those that claim poverty and unable to afford home insurance etc can still afford a computer and a monthly broadband contract - where are their priorities?
(2) Are those so judgemental characters actually got their own houses in order and given consideration that they could be in a position to offer help to this family rather than have the knives out for them?
Two interesting observations on this thread: (1) Those that claim poverty and unable to afford home insurance etc can still afford a computer and a monthly broadband contract - where are their priorities? (2) Are those so judgemental characters actually got their own houses in order and given consideration that they could be in a position to offer help to this family rather than have the knives out for them? The Timelord
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12:41am Sun 23 Dec 12

madman2011 says...

i feel sorry for this woman, nobody deserves to have this happen to them so close to christmas. everyone is asking where is the father etc. what about her parents i know they live around the Boscombe area. why couldnt they put her up till everything is sorted out .....
i feel sorry for this woman, nobody deserves to have this happen to them so close to christmas. everyone is asking where is the father etc. what about her parents i know they live around the Boscombe area. why couldnt they put her up till everything is sorted out ..... madman2011
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1:41am Sun 23 Dec 12

mungobean says...

donna2 wrote:
I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said!
well actually she's not doing that great a job because she didnt have insurance to cover their belongings and now they've 'lost everything' well a few things but hey lets go to the echo with a sob story because its christmas and hopefully the nice kind, responsible people will feel sorry for us and donate loads of stuff to us that was better than i originally had !! I agree with the other posts, get in there with some sugar soap and be thankful you still have a roof over your head, some people dont have that, and its them who deserve our kindness and sympathy, not someone who's irresponsible !!
[quote][p][bold]donna2[/bold] wrote: I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said![/p][/quote]well actually she's not doing that great a job because she didnt have insurance to cover their belongings and now they've 'lost everything' well a few things but hey lets go to the echo with a sob story because its christmas and hopefully the nice kind, responsible people will feel sorry for us and donate loads of stuff to us that was better than i originally had !! I agree with the other posts, get in there with some sugar soap and be thankful you still have a roof over your head, some people dont have that, and its them who deserve our kindness and sympathy, not someone who's irresponsible !! mungobean
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3:23am Sun 23 Dec 12

MrPitiful says...

It's a bit sad that all the comments around the rights or wrongs of having no insurance etc. are seemingly over-shadowing the fact that there are tow kids involved in this who are going to have a fairly bleak Christmas this year.

Not just because of the damage to their presents or loss of thepets but because of the situation overall. In the middle of a grey, wet winter they've lost the one thing which is central to all kid's lives - the security of their home. The place where the 12 yr old girl comes home from school & the place where the little baby woke up in the morning.

Rights & wrongs of the situation aside, this is the sad thing, especially for the older child - the little baby will be too young to remember it however it will stay with an ooder child much longer.

I sincerely hope this gets sorted out properly for them all sooner rather than later.

I would strongly suggest that there is the cash within Bournemouth council to do something more than a temporary B&B solution.
It's a bit sad that all the comments around the rights or wrongs of having no insurance etc. are seemingly over-shadowing the fact that there are tow kids involved in this who are going to have a fairly bleak Christmas this year. Not just because of the damage to their presents or loss of thepets but because of the situation overall. In the middle of a grey, wet winter they've lost the one thing which is central to all kid's lives - the security of their home. The place where the 12 yr old girl comes home from school & the place where the little baby woke up in the morning. Rights & wrongs of the situation aside, this is the sad thing, especially for the older child - the little baby will be too young to remember it however it will stay with an ooder child much longer. I sincerely hope this gets sorted out properly for them all sooner rather than later. I would strongly suggest that there is the cash within Bournemouth council to do something more than a temporary B&B solution. MrPitiful
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7:11am Sun 23 Dec 12

stormhuntr says...

MrPitiful wrote:
It's a bit sad that all the comments around the rights or wrongs of having no insurance etc. are seemingly over-shadowing the fact that there are tow kids involved in this who are going to have a fairly bleak Christmas this year.

Not just because of the damage to their presents or loss of thepets but because of the situation overall. In the middle of a grey, wet winter they've lost the one thing which is central to all kid's lives - the security of their home. The place where the 12 yr old girl comes home from school & the place where the little baby woke up in the morning.

Rights & wrongs of the situation aside, this is the sad thing, especially for the older child - the little baby will be too young to remember it however it will stay with an ooder child much longer.

I sincerely hope this gets sorted out properly for them all sooner rather than later.

I would strongly suggest that there is the cash within Bournemouth council to do something more than a temporary B&B solution.
well said x
[quote][p][bold]MrPitiful[/bold] wrote: It's a bit sad that all the comments around the rights or wrongs of having no insurance etc. are seemingly over-shadowing the fact that there are tow kids involved in this who are going to have a fairly bleak Christmas this year. Not just because of the damage to their presents or loss of thepets but because of the situation overall. In the middle of a grey, wet winter they've lost the one thing which is central to all kid's lives - the security of their home. The place where the 12 yr old girl comes home from school & the place where the little baby woke up in the morning. Rights & wrongs of the situation aside, this is the sad thing, especially for the older child - the little baby will be too young to remember it however it will stay with an ooder child much longer. I sincerely hope this gets sorted out properly for them all sooner rather than later. I would strongly suggest that there is the cash within Bournemouth council to do something more than a temporary B&B solution.[/p][/quote]well said x stormhuntr
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7:59am Sun 23 Dec 12

hamworthygirl says...

djd wrote:
There are some miserable people commenting on this story.
This family has lost everything and all some can do is moan.
A bit of Christmas spirit wouldn't go amiss, go and buy an extra toy and give it to these children, it's not their faults.
Search out some clothing for them.
Happy Christmas everyone.
I have offered help already im sure people do have lots of sympathy with the family its just that insurance would cover her costs for replacements in the new year and the comments are valid.
[quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: There are some miserable people commenting on this story. This family has lost everything and all some can do is moan. A bit of Christmas spirit wouldn't go amiss, go and buy an extra toy and give it to these children, it's not their faults. Search out some clothing for them. Happy Christmas everyone.[/p][/quote]I have offered help already im sure people do have lots of sympathy with the family its just that insurance would cover her costs for replacements in the new year and the comments are valid. hamworthygirl
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9:34am Sun 23 Dec 12

BIGTONE says...

hamworthygirl wrote:
djd wrote:
There are some miserable people commenting on this story.
This family has lost everything and all some can do is moan.
A bit of Christmas spirit wouldn't go amiss, go and buy an extra toy and give it to these children, it's not their faults.
Search out some clothing for them.
Happy Christmas everyone.
I have offered help already im sure people do have lots of sympathy with the family its just that insurance would cover her costs for replacements in the new year and the comments are valid.
When I made the first quote I was hoping peeps would see the deeper picture.
If you are a responsible person you would be thinking of your neighbours too in the event of a fire etc in your property.I have been to lots of flats where the person upstairs has left a bath running and flooded downstairs property. Yes you guessed it....they had no insurance. So not have they only damaged their own flat,they have severely damaged another.
How would this lady feel if her fire had destroyed other neighbours properties? Or God forbid,killed other people. That is the point of insurance. It will cover you and others for most unfortunate situations.
[quote][p][bold]hamworthygirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djd[/bold] wrote: There are some miserable people commenting on this story. This family has lost everything and all some can do is moan. A bit of Christmas spirit wouldn't go amiss, go and buy an extra toy and give it to these children, it's not their faults. Search out some clothing for them. Happy Christmas everyone.[/p][/quote]I have offered help already im sure people do have lots of sympathy with the family its just that insurance would cover her costs for replacements in the new year and the comments are valid.[/p][/quote]When I made the first quote I was hoping peeps would see the deeper picture. If you are a responsible person you would be thinking of your neighbours too in the event of a fire etc in your property.I have been to lots of flats where the person upstairs has left a bath running and flooded downstairs property. Yes you guessed it....they had no insurance. So not have they only damaged their own flat,they have severely damaged another. How would this lady feel if her fire had destroyed other neighbours properties? Or God forbid,killed other people. That is the point of insurance. It will cover you and others for most unfortunate situations. BIGTONE
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12:40pm Sun 23 Dec 12

stevobath says...

Crimbo wrote:
As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure.
Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...
Bet you were a great Fireman?

Miserable, & obviously got to follow the 'sheeple' with your nasty comments.
[quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure. Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...[/p][/quote]Bet you were a great Fireman? Miserable, & obviously got to follow the 'sheeple' with your nasty comments. stevobath
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12:59pm Sun 23 Dec 12

Crimbo says...

stevobath wrote:
Crimbo wrote:
As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure.
Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...
Bet you were a great Fireman?

Miserable, & obviously got to follow the 'sheeple' with your nasty comments.
Well I was a reasonably senior Fire Investigation Officer in the Fire Prevention Department so have a lot of experience in dealing with both people and property following a fire.
I'm more than happy to roll my sleeves up and help her and her family to clean up the flat. What I'm not prepared to do is to cry crocodile tears or throw money at someone unless they're willing to help themselves too. Parents have responsibilities (and personally I put Contents Insurance very high on that list of responsibilities - far higher than buying food for four cats!)
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure. Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...[/p][/quote]Bet you were a great Fireman? Miserable, & obviously got to follow the 'sheeple' with your nasty comments.[/p][/quote]Well I was a reasonably senior Fire Investigation Officer in the Fire Prevention Department so have a lot of experience in dealing with both people and property following a fire. I'm more than happy to roll my sleeves up and help her and her family to clean up the flat. What I'm not prepared to do is to cry crocodile tears or throw money at someone unless they're willing to help themselves too. Parents have responsibilities (and personally I put Contents Insurance very high on that list of responsibilities - far higher than buying food for four cats!) Crimbo
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5:07pm Sun 23 Dec 12

scrumpyjack says...

MJD wrote:
gileto wrote: Council tenants over in Poole are signposted towards tenants contents insurance for well under the £6 a month quoted and are often reminded of the importance of spending what amounts to half a packet of fags/pint of beer on protecting their belongings. Sadly, it doesn't always sink in thou as naturally, some people think it won't happen to them - even those that smoke inside the property.
£6 a month. That's £72 a year and that's for full content cover. Pull the other one. It probably full of get out clauses and restrictions it not worth the paper its written on..
You know not what of you speak.

Mine is about £7 for contents and is perfectly adequate.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gileto[/bold] wrote: Council tenants over in Poole are signposted towards tenants contents insurance for well under the £6 a month quoted and are often reminded of the importance of spending what amounts to half a packet of fags/pint of beer on protecting their belongings. Sadly, it doesn't always sink in thou as naturally, some people think it won't happen to them - even those that smoke inside the property.[/p][/quote]£6 a month. That's £72 a year and that's for full content cover. Pull the other one. It probably full of get out clauses and restrictions it not worth the paper its written on..[/p][/quote]You know not what of you speak. Mine is about £7 for contents and is perfectly adequate. scrumpyjack
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5:21pm Sun 23 Dec 12

MJD says...

Crimbo wrote:
stevobath wrote:
Crimbo wrote:
As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure.
Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...
Bet you were a great Fireman?

Miserable, & obviously got to follow the 'sheeple' with your nasty comments.
Well I was a reasonably senior Fire Investigation Officer in the Fire Prevention Department so have a lot of experience in dealing with both people and property following a fire.
I'm more than happy to roll my sleeves up and help her and her family to clean up the flat. What I'm not prepared to do is to cry crocodile tears or throw money at someone unless they're willing to help themselves too. Parents have responsibilities (and personally I put Contents Insurance very high on that list of responsibilities - far higher than buying food for four cats!)
What you going to do it with cold water. There is no power on the premises and it needs a rewire. As i have previous said Heath and Safety. You should know the rules with Council properties maybe not being Ex firerman. No one is asking for money. Just hand me down clothes shoes that are not wanted.or second had baby cloths See Facebook.
No im not family..
[quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure. Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...[/p][/quote]Bet you were a great Fireman? Miserable, & obviously got to follow the 'sheeple' with your nasty comments.[/p][/quote]Well I was a reasonably senior Fire Investigation Officer in the Fire Prevention Department so have a lot of experience in dealing with both people and property following a fire. I'm more than happy to roll my sleeves up and help her and her family to clean up the flat. What I'm not prepared to do is to cry crocodile tears or throw money at someone unless they're willing to help themselves too. Parents have responsibilities (and personally I put Contents Insurance very high on that list of responsibilities - far higher than buying food for four cats!)[/p][/quote]What you going to do it with cold water. There is no power on the premises and it needs a rewire. As i have previous said Heath and Safety. You should know the rules with Council properties maybe not being Ex firerman. No one is asking for money. Just hand me down clothes shoes that are not wanted.or second had baby cloths See Facebook. No im not family.. MJD
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5:41pm Sun 23 Dec 12

scrumpyjack says...

stormhuntr wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin

e
wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote:
Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!!
Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
they didnt say well done for having an alarm learn to read they said thanks to the alarm and well done to the people helping out .. I hate trolls who put comments just to be nasty go elsewhere and troll
Err yes they did. I quote "Well done for having a smoke alarm".

The other gem they came out with was
"Insurance is debatable, save instead".

Truly jaw dropping intelligence.
[quote][p][bold]stormhuntr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]they didnt say well done for having an alarm learn to read they said thanks to the alarm and well done to the people helping out .. I hate trolls who put comments just to be nasty go elsewhere and troll[/p][/quote]Err yes they did. I quote "Well done for having a smoke alarm". The other gem they came out with was "Insurance is debatable, save instead". Truly jaw dropping intelligence. scrumpyjack
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5:43pm Sun 23 Dec 12

scrumpyjack says...

southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin

e
wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote:
Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!!
Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything.

If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
[quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it. scrumpyjack
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8:14pm Sun 23 Dec 12

southbourne lover says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin


e
wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote:
Sad news and sad comments too!
Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats.
I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances.
Insurance is debatable, save instead.
Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm.
Well done to those supporting this family.
Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!!
Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything.

If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary. southbourne lover
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10:24pm Sun 23 Dec 12

groveswhitnall says...

Tenants are not responsible for buildings insurance but are for contents, most housing associations offer it very cheap, wont cover the luxuries but will the necessities.
Tenants are not responsible for buildings insurance but are for contents, most housing associations offer it very cheap, wont cover the luxuries but will the necessities. groveswhitnall
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11:07pm Sun 23 Dec 12

baylin says...

Why are people so keen to have their picture in the paper in a case like this no insurance its a council flat so her rent is paid as is her rates all she had to do was get some contents insurance which is offered to council tenant at
£6.00 a month they have a quartly magazine from the council offering it from a couple of companies you think she would be ashamed, she will get hand outs and probably takes home more than a lot of single working people and as for four cats in a one bedroom first floor flat with 3 people i was going to say four but there doesn't seem to be a father for the kids around i think it tells you a lot about this women i feel sorry for the kids.but no doubt she will be back in a new council flat decorated and furnished while she goes out and looks for some more cats and perhaps a few chickens.and what the hell a pot bellied pig and a and of course a staffie.
Why are people so keen to have their picture in the paper in a case like this no insurance its a council flat so her rent is paid as is her rates all she had to do was get some contents insurance which is offered to council tenant at £6.00 a month they have a quartly magazine from the council offering it from a couple of companies you think she would be ashamed, she will get hand outs and probably takes home more than a lot of single working people and as for four cats in a one bedroom first floor flat with 3 people i was going to say four but there doesn't seem to be a father for the kids around i think it tells you a lot about this women i feel sorry for the kids.but no doubt she will be back in a new council flat decorated and furnished while she goes out and looks for some more cats and perhaps a few chickens.and what the hell a pot bellied pig and a and of course a staffie. baylin
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11:30pm Sun 23 Dec 12

scrumpyjack says...

southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin e wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted."

Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted.

Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.
[quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.[/p][/quote]"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted." Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted. Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age. scrumpyjack
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9:27am Mon 24 Dec 12

southbourne lover says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin e wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted."

Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted.

Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.
Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.[/p][/quote]"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted." Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted. Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.[/p][/quote]Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm. southbourne lover
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9:43am Mon 24 Dec 12

scrumpyjack says...

That's because it has nothing to do with you. I am a landlord and have to provide evidence before they will pay HB tenants.

Letting agencies also have not agreed to take on the property unless there is one.
That's because it has nothing to do with you. I am a landlord and have to provide evidence before they will pay HB tenants. Letting agencies also have not agreed to take on the property unless there is one. scrumpyjack
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10:06am Mon 24 Dec 12

beachcomber1 says...

i would have contents insurance if i could find a policy with an amount low enough. but minimum amounts are usually around £20k and i refuse to pay £5 a month for £20k of cover when my contents are worth only 1/10th of that.
i would have contents insurance if i could find a policy with an amount low enough. but minimum amounts are usually around £20k and i refuse to pay £5 a month for £20k of cover when my contents are worth only 1/10th of that. beachcomber1
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10:15am Mon 24 Dec 12

baylin says...

A Lofty wrote:
I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.
I so agree .
[quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.[/p][/quote]I so agree . baylin
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10:20am Mon 24 Dec 12

pete woodley says...

baylin wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.
I so agree .
Also agree about the fact keeping 4 cats costs more than the cost of insurance.
[quote][p][bold]baylin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.[/p][/quote]I so agree .[/p][/quote]Also agree about the fact keeping 4 cats costs more than the cost of insurance. pete woodley
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10:21am Mon 24 Dec 12

baylin says...

donna2 wrote:
I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said!
you call living in a 1 bedroom flat with 4 cats with no insurance doing an amazing job you are a very silly womenjust grow up.
[quote][p][bold]donna2[/bold] wrote: I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said![/p][/quote]you call living in a 1 bedroom flat with 4 cats with no insurance doing an amazing job you are a very silly womenjust grow up. baylin
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10:25am Mon 24 Dec 12

Marcus James says...

I'm not sure what the worse part of this story is?
Is it that she has lived in a Council Flat for 7 years?
Is it that Tax payers and Council Tax payers have funded her for 7 years?
Is it that she can’t afford insurance yet she has 4 cats?
Is it that the council allow tenants to have cats in their properties?
Is it that she can’t afford insurance or a flat / house of her own yet 6 months ago she had another child?
Of course we have to remember that it is not the children’s fault and they are the ones that will ultimately suffer here, as they won’t be at home this Christmas.
We have a system that helps people who can’t be bothered to help themselves and who rely on / abuse the state and what it provides.
I sincerely wish these children a happy Christmas, fortunately the 6 month old will be non the wiser, the older child will no doubt be affected. Hopefully the father or fathers of these children will help as will the parents of the mum.
I'm not sure what the worse part of this story is? Is it that she has lived in a Council Flat for 7 years? Is it that Tax payers and Council Tax payers have funded her for 7 years? Is it that she can’t afford insurance yet she has 4 cats? Is it that the council allow tenants to have cats in their properties? Is it that she can’t afford insurance or a flat / house of her own yet 6 months ago she had another child? Of course we have to remember that it is not the children’s fault and they are the ones that will ultimately suffer here, as they won’t be at home this Christmas. We have a system that helps people who can’t be bothered to help themselves and who rely on / abuse the state and what it provides. I sincerely wish these children a happy Christmas, fortunately the 6 month old will be non the wiser, the older child will no doubt be affected. Hopefully the father or fathers of these children will help as will the parents of the mum. Marcus James
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2:36pm Mon 24 Dec 12

portia6 says...

If you have a good husband you are
lucky! They should teach children
about how to find a good one!
If you have a good husband you are lucky! They should teach children about how to find a good one! portia6
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4:46pm Mon 24 Dec 12

baylin says...

southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin e wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted."

Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted.

Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.
Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.
Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy.
[quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.[/p][/quote]"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted." Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted. Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.[/p][/quote]Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.[/p][/quote]Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy. baylin
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4:46pm Mon 24 Dec 12

baylin says...

southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin e wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted."

Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted.

Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.
Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.
Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy.
[quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.[/p][/quote]"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted." Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted. Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.[/p][/quote]Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.[/p][/quote]Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy. baylin
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4:46pm Mon 24 Dec 12

baylin says...

southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin e wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted."

Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted.

Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.
Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.
Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy.
[quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.[/p][/quote]"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted." Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted. Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.[/p][/quote]Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.[/p][/quote]Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy. baylin
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4:53pm Mon 24 Dec 12

baylin says...

ctrewyou wrote:
A Lofty wrote:
I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.
You may not consider yourself to be without compassion, but, actually, you are completely without compassion, or only feel compassion for people you feel deserve your compassion.
She's on her own with a 6 month baby. Perhaps the baby's father is dead, perhaps he left her her, perhaps, actually, it's completely irrelevant to this story. Why is the paternity of her baby relevant to a story about a fire in her flat?
You are not being asked for anything so you can go back to working really hard and being compassionate towards people who actually desrve it, not like this family, obviously. She made a choice between insurance and cat food, and now realises this was a mistake. So what? Lot's of people do that, you do not need to be so rude and judgemental towards her. A baby, insurance, and cats, why so much f***ing, ###**ing, and bl***$$£??? It's not the most controversial story of the year.
Especially at this time of year, you could do worse than ask 'what would Jesus do?' I'm not personally religious, but I do know that Jesus was compassionate towards everyone he came across, whether they were 'deserving' or not. In this apparently Christian country, it's worth reflecting on.
Leave Jesus out of this this stupid women should have her children fostered for their own protection.
[quote][p][bold]ctrewyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.[/p][/quote]You may not consider yourself to be without compassion, but, actually, you are completely without compassion, or only feel compassion for people you feel deserve your compassion. She's on her own with a 6 month baby. Perhaps the baby's father is dead, perhaps he left her her, perhaps, actually, it's completely irrelevant to this story. Why is the paternity of her baby relevant to a story about a fire in her flat? You are not being asked for anything so you can go back to working really hard and being compassionate towards people who actually desrve it, not like this family, obviously. She made a choice between insurance and cat food, and now realises this was a mistake. So what? Lot's of people do that, you do not need to be so rude and judgemental towards her. A baby, insurance, and cats, why so much f***ing, ###**ing, and bl***$$£??? It's not the most controversial story of the year. Especially at this time of year, you could do worse than ask 'what would Jesus do?' I'm not personally religious, but I do know that Jesus was compassionate towards everyone he came across, whether they were 'deserving' or not. In this apparently Christian country, it's worth reflecting on.[/p][/quote]Leave Jesus out of this this stupid women should have her children fostered for their own protection. baylin
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10:52am Tue 25 Dec 12

stevobath says...

baylin wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
scrumpyjack wrote:
southbourne lover wrote:
RageAgainstTheMachin e wrote:
traceyannconnor wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know!
Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.
I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.
Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.
The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.
"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted."

Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted.

Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.
Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.
Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy.
What a nasty piece of judgemental work you are.
[quote][p][bold]baylin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southbourne lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RageAgainstTheMachin e[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]traceyannconnor[/bold] wrote: Sad news and sad comments too! Have a heart.. Well done for having a smoke alarm and proving it saved lives, sad news about the cats. I won't judge you, don't know yOur personal circumstances. Insurance is debatable, save instead. Soooo pleased the children are safe thanks to the alarm. Well done to those supporting this family. Go on Gumtree many items under "free" you never know![/p][/quote]Well done for having a smoke alarm!!!!!! Er give them a NVQ/another qualification.All rented private or council properties have to have smoke alarms by law.[/p][/quote]I think you may find that only fairly new properties are required by law to have smoke alarms. I have lived in several older flats and have always had to install one.[/p][/quote]Bluddy people on here. No nothing say everything. If you are a landlord you have to have mains run smoke detectors on your rental property. Age of the property has nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]The 1991 smoke detector act requires that all houses built after 1992 must, by law have a smoke detector installed. If a landlord or agent installs a detector in a house built before 1992 they must make clear to the tenant who is responsible for checking it and replacing the batteries as necessary.[/p][/quote]"it is generally considered the common law "duty of care" meaning that the landlord could be held liable should a fire cause injury where no smoke detectors are fitted." Meaning if there is a fire the landlord would be held accountable for any injury / loss if there was no alarm fitted. Councils will not pay Housing Benefit to any property that does not have a mains run smoke alarm, Irrespective of age.[/p][/quote]Sorry to contradict you, but I claim housing benefit, as do others that I know of and have never, ever been asked if my rented flat has a smoke alarm.[/p][/quote]Council properties are all fitted with a mains electricity smoke alarm which is tested once a year she can count herself lucky for that, if it had been down to this pathetic women doubtless she would have had a smoke alarm with dead batteries and then there would have been a real tragedy.[/p][/quote]What a nasty piece of judgemental work you are. stevobath
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2:03pm Wed 26 Dec 12

stevobath says...

baylin wrote:
donna2 wrote:
I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said!
you call living in a 1 bedroom flat with 4 cats with no insurance doing an amazing job you are a very silly womenjust grow up.
Who are YOU to judge? Quite oftenm those that write nasty comments are the biggest hypocrites.Cant write anything nice then why bother?
[quote][p][bold]baylin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]donna2[/bold] wrote: I went to school with Kay, andI'm truly disgusted with some of your comments! Even if she hasn't lost everything in that fire, its a few days before xmas, have some bloody compasion for this family...if not then keep your stupid mouths shut. And her family status is absolutely nothing to do with this fire, and it's truly sickening to hear some of you slate her for this...yes she's a single mother...so what???!! She is still doing an amazing job of raising her kids.....lets hope and pray your never in that situation and in need of a little help or moral support!!! This family will not go without this xmas because there is SOME decent, kind people in this world. Enough said![/p][/quote]you call living in a 1 bedroom flat with 4 cats with no insurance doing an amazing job you are a very silly womenjust grow up.[/p][/quote]Who are YOU to judge? Quite oftenm those that write nasty comments are the biggest hypocrites.Cant write anything nice then why bother? stevobath
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8:07am Fri 28 Dec 12

Lord Spring says...

MJD wrote:
Crimbo wrote:
As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure.
Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...
I would have expected better from an Ex fireman. Heath and safety comes to mind ???
I also have encounterd far worse than this, would not the photographer have taken images of the actual fire damage.
The council insure their flats but not their house for buildings cover.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crimbo[/bold] wrote: As an ex Fireman I don't see where the flat is "gutted" or where they've "lost all their possessions". Sure the kitchen may be fire damaged and the rest of the flat smoke damaged, but nothing that a good clean won't cure. Sitting around moaning about their fate and waiting for the council, etc to give them free handouts won't help - getting in the flat with some hot water, bicarbonate of soda, and sugar soap will...[/p][/quote]I would have expected better from an Ex fireman. Heath and safety comes to mind ???[/p][/quote]I also have encounterd far worse than this, would not the photographer have taken images of the actual fire damage. The council insure their flats but not their house for buildings cover. Lord Spring
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5:08pm Thu 3 Jan 13

sgelsmls says...

A Lofty wrote:
I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.
This is my sister and many of these comments have made my blood boil. The babies father buggered off within 2 months of his son being born my sister did not ask or plan to be on her own. Megan's dad now lives in Spain and has been very supportive of his daughter not that its any of your business. Her cats were given to Megan as a gift so you try explaining to a child why she shouldn't have cats, one was given to Megan when my sister has a still birth in 2010, which she later found out was pregnant when given to her, but i'm sure some one will use that against her too. It happened on Megan's birthday she will never forget this horrible event and to the ex fireman who said to get in there and clean it up the council wont allow her to re enter until they deem the flat as safe. And yes my Dad does live in Boscombe so the smart arse who said why doesn't he help he has and is, but how is Megan meant to get to school when neither of them drive or own a car. If don't want to help her don't but don't go bad mouthing her when you don't know all the facts.
[quote][p][bold]A Lofty[/bold] wrote: I feel very sorry for these people but agree with a number of the comments made. I do not consider myself to be without compassion and I really hope that these folk are sorted out quickly, but there are certain things that do need to be addressed here. So let's cut through all the politically correct **** and get straight to the point. One of her kids is 6 months old. My basic maths tells me that she was inseminated less than a year and a half ago; who and where is the father? I am sick of working my proverbials off to fund people like this. Second point; not only can she afford insurance, but she cannot afford NOT to have insurance. I have to pay through the nose for this every year and I see no difference. Stop having kids you can't afford, unless of course the 'daddy' is willing to contribute or, I don't know, even stick around! If you cannot afford insurance you certainly cannot afford four f##king moggies!! Start taking responsibility for your own life and acting like a grown up. It will be interesting to know whether this person takes out insurance now.[/p][/quote]This is my sister and many of these comments have made my blood boil. The babies father buggered off within 2 months of his son being born my sister did not ask or plan to be on her own. Megan's dad now lives in Spain and has been very supportive of his daughter not that its any of your business. Her cats were given to Megan as a gift so you try explaining to a child why she shouldn't have cats, one was given to Megan when my sister has a still birth in 2010, which she later found out was pregnant when given to her, but i'm sure some one will use that against her too. It happened on Megan's birthday she will never forget this horrible event and to the ex fireman who said to get in there and clean it up the council wont allow her to re enter until they deem the flat as safe. And yes my Dad does live in Boscombe so the smart arse who said why doesn't he help he has and is, but how is Megan meant to get to school when neither of them drive or own a car. If don't want to help her don't but don't go bad mouthing her when you don't know all the facts. sgelsmls
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