Jailed: drug-dealer who sparked raid on St Michael's hotel

Jailed: drug-dealer who sparked raid on St Michael's hotel

Jailed: drug-dealer who sparked raid on St Michael's hotel

Daniel Smedley

First published in News

A DRUG dealer who sparked an armed raid at a Bournemouth hotel last month has been jailed for five and a half years.

Bournemouth Crown Court heard how armed police officers had swooped on St Michael's hotel on the resort's West Cliff on the afternoon of Saturday, October 20.

Daniel Smedley, 30, admitted possessing a firearm and possessing prohibited ammunition. He also pleaded guilty to possessing cocaine and amphetamines, with intent to supply the class A and B drugs. A not guilty plea to a money laundering charge was accepted.

The raid brought St Michael's Road to a halt, with dozens of onlookers watching the drama unfold. At the height of the incident, which began at about 2 pm, around half a dozen police cars, armed officers and police dogs were on the scene. An ambulance crew was also on standby as the police helicopter circled overhead.

Armed police remained on guard for several hours outside St Mick's Bar which forms part of the St Michael's Hotel building. Scientific officers focused their attention on a first floor hotel room as camera flashes could be seen from outside.

A member of staff told the Daily Echo that a gun and ammunition had been found on a bed in the hotel and a search had been launched for two male suspects.

Residents of the hotel were allowed to come and go and police later told the Daily Echo an investigation was under way after a handgun, drugs and money had been recovered from the hotel. Smedley of Milnow Road, Sheffield, was sentenced by Judge Peter Johnson.

Speaking after the case, DC James Lees said: “This was a great example of diligent policing and working together with the community. As a result a dangerous offender was swiftly brought to justice.

“I hope this sentence serves as a reminder that we will not tolerate such criminal behaviour and I would like to thank the community for their support.”

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2:55pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Mike Oxbig says...

What a waste of time. He will have already been replaced in the pyramid. Legalise drugs with controlled distribution channels and do away with these criminals.
What a waste of time. He will have already been replaced in the pyramid. Legalise drugs with controlled distribution channels and do away with these criminals. Mike Oxbig
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6:22pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Lord gungedin of Ferndown says...

Why do Police Officers quoted in the press anywhere have to utter the same old b*****ks about the "community" and "we will not tolerate" bla bla bla. I long for a quote from some Policeman such as " we've taken out this scum".
To all Police Officers everywhere, please treat us like adults!
Why do Police Officers quoted in the press anywhere have to utter the same old b*****ks about the "community" and "we will not tolerate" bla bla bla. I long for a quote from some Policeman such as " we've taken out this scum". To all Police Officers everywhere, please treat us like adults! Lord gungedin of Ferndown
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6:39pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Capricorn 1 says...

Mike Oxbig wrote:
What a waste of time. He will have already been replaced in the pyramid. Legalise drugs with controlled distribution channels and do away with these criminals.
That's exactly what I keep banging on about Mike.

The police are doing what they can do but all this is just tinkering around the edges.

No government has the guts to face the real issues.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Oxbig[/bold] wrote: What a waste of time. He will have already been replaced in the pyramid. Legalise drugs with controlled distribution channels and do away with these criminals.[/p][/quote]That's exactly what I keep banging on about Mike. The police are doing what they can do but all this is just tinkering around the edges. No government has the guts to face the real issues. Capricorn 1
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6:54pm Thu 8 Nov 12

jill M says...

Lord gungedin of Ferndown wrote:
Why do Police Officers quoted in the press anywhere have to utter the same old b*****ks about the "community" and "we will not tolerate" bla bla bla. I long for a quote from some Policeman such as " we've taken out this scum".
To all Police Officers everywhere, please treat us like adults!
Can you honestly imagine that the police would be allowed to make statements like that, even if they might be thinking them, they have guidelines they have to follow. Well done to the police for apprehending this criminal, and at least the court has backed them by sending him to jail. The police s job is made ever more difficult as their numbers dwindle, and I for one are grateful for what they do.
[quote][p][bold]Lord gungedin of Ferndown[/bold] wrote: Why do Police Officers quoted in the press anywhere have to utter the same old b*****ks about the "community" and "we will not tolerate" bla bla bla. I long for a quote from some Policeman such as " we've taken out this scum". To all Police Officers everywhere, please treat us like adults![/p][/quote]Can you honestly imagine that the police would be allowed to make statements like that, even if they might be thinking them, they have guidelines they have to follow. Well done to the police for apprehending this criminal, and at least the court has backed them by sending him to jail. The police s job is made ever more difficult as their numbers dwindle, and I for one are grateful for what they do. jill M
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9:31pm Thu 8 Nov 12

ella1978 says...

One less gun & one less dealer on our streets! Its good to see the courts give someone what they deserve for a change.

The comment about legalising drugs is ridiculous. Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?
One less gun & one less dealer on our streets! Its good to see the courts give someone what they deserve for a change. The comment about legalising drugs is ridiculous. Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight? ella1978
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10:21pm Thu 8 Nov 12

GAHmusic says...

How did this story go from "gun found in hotel, two suspects sought" to "man found guilty"? Did I miss the bit inbetween, when did they catch him and what about the other bloke?
How did this story go from "gun found in hotel, two suspects sought" to "man found guilty"? Did I miss the bit inbetween, when did they catch him and what about the other bloke? GAHmusic
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10:53pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

"Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?”

What an exceedingly stupid post !

The above acts are offenses against other people, and have been so since the year dot.

Taking drugs have not and have been subject to the vagaries of business. Queen Victoria regularly took cannabis, opiates have been routinely issued and taken by servicemen as have amphetemines.

These are chemicals that people chose to take. No one chooses to be raped, burgled or robbed.

The present system does not stop anyone from accessing drugs that are deemed illegal. All it does is make their cost so excessive that the business of trading in them is seen as financially worth the risks involved.

Try making tobacco illegal and see what happens. See if those using tobacco will simply stop their use if the access to tobacco was only through illegal means. They won't.

The present system is clearly failing badly. Posters like Ella1978 may wish this destructive and costly activity to continue - most sane people however recognise that there has to be a more grown up debate on this matter.

Sooner rather than later.
"Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?” What an exceedingly stupid post ! The above acts are offenses against other people, and have been so since the year dot. Taking drugs have not and have been subject to the vagaries of business. Queen Victoria regularly took cannabis, opiates have been routinely issued and taken by servicemen as have amphetemines. These are chemicals that people chose to take. No one chooses to be raped, burgled or robbed. The present system does not stop anyone from accessing drugs that are deemed illegal. All it does is make their cost so excessive that the business of trading in them is seen as financially worth the risks involved. Try making tobacco illegal and see what happens. See if those using tobacco will simply stop their use if the access to tobacco was only through illegal means. They won't. The present system is clearly failing badly. Posters like Ella1978 may wish this destructive and costly activity to continue - most sane people however recognise that there has to be a more grown up debate on this matter. Sooner rather than later. Bob49
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11:58pm Thu 8 Nov 12

grazzer says...

Well it is nice to be able to compliment the Police for once especially after all the snide remarks which appeared on here after the original story.Readers assumed that the Police were incompetent and doing nothing when they were obviously very much "on the case" and have come up with a great result
Well it is nice to be able to compliment the Police for once especially after all the snide remarks which appeared on here after the original story.Readers assumed that the Police were incompetent and doing nothing when they were obviously very much "on the case" and have come up with a great result grazzer
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3:53am Fri 9 Nov 12

Mike Pickering says...

If you need a laugh for 45 minutes or so then I heartily suggest going to tripadvisor.co.uk and reading the reviews for the St.Michael's hotel, a few suspiciously good, and most hilariously dreadful. The reviews taken together paint such a vivid picture it couldn't be any better communicated in a play, novel or documentary as little by little the various rooms and members of staff and the unfixed problems that infuriate guest after guest become apparent, each in a little more detail. It's almost a Joycian exercise, a thousand tiny shafts of light illuminating the same grotty subject from all angles.
http://bit.ly/PIcadO
If you need a laugh for 45 minutes or so then I heartily suggest going to tripadvisor.co.uk and reading the reviews for the St.Michael's hotel, a few suspiciously good, and most hilariously dreadful. The reviews taken together paint such a vivid picture it couldn't be any better communicated in a play, novel or documentary as little by little the various rooms and members of staff and the unfixed problems that infuriate guest after guest become apparent, each in a little more detail. It's almost a Joycian exercise, a thousand tiny shafts of light illuminating the same grotty subject from all angles. http://bit.ly/PIcadO Mike Pickering
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8:02am Fri 9 Nov 12

dswilliams says...

You must remember that people do not join the police because they are tired splitting the atom..hence the dvd style over-reaction...just planks.....2 'normal' city coppers could have nicked him with a truncheon.. ...no need for the seaside bobbies and the expensive toys we pay for....just a farce...typical waste of manpower with people with nothing much to police.
You must remember that people do not join the police because they are tired splitting the atom..hence the dvd style over-reaction...just planks.....2 'normal' city coppers could have nicked him with a truncheon.. ...no need for the seaside bobbies and the expensive toys we pay for....just a farce...typical waste of manpower with people with nothing much to police. dswilliams
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8:24am Fri 9 Nov 12

scrumpyjack says...

grazzer wrote:
Well it is nice to be able to compliment the Police for once especially after all the snide remarks which appeared on here after the original story.Readers assumed that the Police were incompetent and doing nothing when they were obviously very much "on the case" and have come up with a great result
Completely agree. Just couldn't be bothered to write saying so. So thanks.
[quote][p][bold]grazzer[/bold] wrote: Well it is nice to be able to compliment the Police for once especially after all the snide remarks which appeared on here after the original story.Readers assumed that the Police were incompetent and doing nothing when they were obviously very much "on the case" and have come up with a great result[/p][/quote]Completely agree. Just couldn't be bothered to write saying so. So thanks. scrumpyjack
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11:07am Fri 9 Nov 12

HRH of Boscombe says...

This is exactly why gun crime is on the increase.
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I thought it was a mandatory 5yr sentence for having just the gun.
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If that's to run concurrent with any other sentence why wouldn't a criminal have a gun if you're not going to do any extra time?
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Some say the law isn't fit for purpose. It is but just never applied properly.
This is exactly why gun crime is on the increase. . I thought it was a mandatory 5yr sentence for having just the gun. . If that's to run concurrent with any other sentence why wouldn't a criminal have a gun if you're not going to do any extra time? . Some say the law isn't fit for purpose. It is but just never applied properly. HRH of Boscombe
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11:09am Fri 9 Nov 12

Wilkie says...

Take drugs do you Bob?
Take drugs do you Bob? Wilkie
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11:27am Fri 9 Nov 12

stevobath says...

ella1978 wrote:
One less gun & one less dealer on our streets! Its good to see the courts give someone what they deserve for a change.

The comment about legalising drugs is ridiculous. Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?
Why is the comment ridiculous?

So the current costly & wholly ineffectual 'War On Drugs' clearly is'nt working.

So what do you suggest clever clogs?
What have you got to suggest?
Keep the sale of drugs in the hands of criminals & gangsters?
Where there have been pilot schemes in the North West of England & certain controlled drugs supplied by Dr's, crime has dropped off by around 90%.These ideas may be unpalatable to the Moral Majority, but they work & more & more senior police officers are backing these type of schemes.
In the South, Brighton have an enlightened head of police & working with Drs & other experts crime from addicts has dropped significantly.
You'll never stop drugsflooding the country.The amount of drugs around now has skyrocketed since the early 80s due to the current expensive 'War On Drugs' not working.
[quote][p][bold]ella1978[/bold] wrote: One less gun & one less dealer on our streets! Its good to see the courts give someone what they deserve for a change. The comment about legalising drugs is ridiculous. Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?[/p][/quote]Why is the comment ridiculous? So the current costly & wholly ineffectual 'War On Drugs' clearly is'nt working. So what do you suggest clever clogs? What have you got to suggest? Keep the sale of drugs in the hands of criminals & gangsters? Where there have been pilot schemes in the North West of England & certain controlled drugs supplied by Dr's, crime has dropped off by around 90%.These ideas may be unpalatable to the Moral Majority, but they work & more & more senior police officers are backing these type of schemes. In the South, Brighton have an enlightened head of police & working with Drs & other experts crime from addicts has dropped significantly. You'll never stop drugsflooding the country.The amount of drugs around now has skyrocketed since the early 80s due to the current expensive 'War On Drugs' not working. stevobath
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11:33am Fri 9 Nov 12

stevobath says...

Wilkie wrote:
Take drugs do you Bob?
Because someone comes out with a comment that is true & makes sense, he has to be taking drugs?

What a pathetic reply.

What do you suggest then?

Another person who probably watched too many Govt Adverts on the dangers of drugs, from the 80s.
Too much mis information from Govt.
[quote][p][bold]Wilkie[/bold] wrote: Take drugs do you Bob?[/p][/quote]Because someone comes out with a comment that is true & makes sense, he has to be taking drugs? What a pathetic reply. What do you suggest then? Another person who probably watched too many Govt Adverts on the dangers of drugs, from the 80s. Too much mis information from Govt. stevobath
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11:47am Fri 9 Nov 12

HRH of Boscombe says...

ella1978 wrote:
One less gun & one less dealer on our streets! Its good to see the courts give someone what they deserve for a change. The comment about legalising drugs is ridiculous. Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?
Ridiculous?! Burglary, robbery and rape target innocent victims.
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Innocent victims in the drug industry only exist because of the black market it operates in.
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I hope 1978 isn't your DOB. You really haven't learnt much of the real world in your time.
[quote][p][bold]ella1978[/bold] wrote: One less gun & one less dealer on our streets! Its good to see the courts give someone what they deserve for a change. The comment about legalising drugs is ridiculous. Why don’t we just legalise burglary, robbery and rape whilst we at it – that way we’ll cut crime overnight?[/p][/quote]Ridiculous?! Burglary, robbery and rape target innocent victims. . Innocent victims in the drug industry only exist because of the black market it operates in. . I hope 1978 isn't your DOB. You really haven't learnt much of the real world in your time. HRH of Boscombe
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3:38pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Mike Pickering says...

Drugs aren't the cause of the problems that we as a society experience as a whole - addiction is.
Some people use some drugs recreationally and do not impinge on the rights of others, but some have had the scourge of addiction take over their sensibilities and decision-making processes and, absent of any legitimate way to fund their consumption, conspire to rob, burglarize and defraud.
The only substance to which I have been addicted is nicotine; luckily the relatively low cost and availability meant that the most I would ever impact other people would be to naggingly try to obtain the drug from fellow smokers when I had run out. It affected my decisions about taking care of my health in a striking way; whilst reading information about how cigarette smoking causes cancer, and knowing this fully, I would still elect to smoke another cigarette when the cravings within me occurred.
Those cravings affected the way I thought and simulated the illusion of choice, and so I would smoke again. Knowing it was damaging my health.
I was fortunate enough to be able to get outside help and change what I did to free me from the cycle of smoking and cravings - essentially every smoker only smokes to stop themselves wanting to smoke.
Legalisation of any of the substances to which people become addicted won't change the mechanics of the addiction process - there will still be heroin addicts self-medicating emotion pain, but the rest of us will be free from their endless blind acquisitions of our property and wealth that they funnel into the bottomless pit of criminal enterprise. At that point their addiction is limited in its scope to a medical issue that requires treatment, with the same moral footing as treating anyone with an unforeseen injury.
Whilst there are entire industries devoted to fighting the problem as a crime, there will be little progress; many people, besides their counterparts in the criminal world, are making a very tidy living from this endless spiral of misery, and that's not something they'll be willing to give up easily.
Drugs aren't the cause of the problems that we as a society experience as a whole - addiction is. Some people use some drugs recreationally and do not impinge on the rights of others, but some have had the scourge of addiction take over their sensibilities and decision-making processes and, absent of any legitimate way to fund their consumption, conspire to rob, burglarize and defraud. The only substance to which I have been addicted is nicotine; luckily the relatively low cost and availability meant that the most I would ever impact other people would be to naggingly try to obtain the drug from fellow smokers when I had run out. It affected my decisions about taking care of my health in a striking way; whilst reading information about how cigarette smoking causes cancer, and knowing this fully, I would still elect to smoke another cigarette when the cravings within me occurred. Those cravings affected the way I thought and simulated the illusion of choice, and so I would smoke again. Knowing it was damaging my health. I was fortunate enough to be able to get outside help and change what I did to free me from the cycle of smoking and cravings - essentially every smoker only smokes to stop themselves wanting to smoke. Legalisation of any of the substances to which people become addicted won't change the mechanics of the addiction process - there will still be heroin addicts self-medicating emotion pain, but the rest of us will be free from their endless blind acquisitions of our property and wealth that they funnel into the bottomless pit of criminal enterprise. At that point their addiction is limited in its scope to a medical issue that requires treatment, with the same moral footing as treating anyone with an unforeseen injury. Whilst there are entire industries devoted to fighting the problem as a crime, there will be little progress; many people, besides their counterparts in the criminal world, are making a very tidy living from this endless spiral of misery, and that's not something they'll be willing to give up easily. Mike Pickering
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4:57pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Gary Sherborne says...

Dorset Police, crimes reported and solved, just less than 30%, thought I would leave that here. Apart from that, Im in with Bob49
Dorset Police, crimes reported and solved, just less than 30%, thought I would leave that here. Apart from that, Im in with Bob49 Gary Sherborne
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5:07pm Fri 9 Nov 12

slymo cherrie says...

OMG that is so sad
cant believe that
I think I would sooner rob a jewelers than lock my self in a bed sit, chain smoking 24/7.
OMG that is so sad cant believe that I think I would sooner rob a jewelers than lock my self in a bed sit, chain smoking 24/7. slymo cherrie
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5:39pm Fri 9 Nov 12

GAHmusic says...

I think you need to look at the ciggarette related crime figures if you need to understand that adiction is not the cause of crime but the black market and desperation created by draconian laws and methods.
I think you need to look at the ciggarette related crime figures if you need to understand that adiction is not the cause of crime but the black market and desperation created by draconian laws and methods. GAHmusic
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6:22pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

Wilkie wrote:
Take drugs do you Bob?
No

Nor was I black when I thought that apartheid was wrong
[quote][p][bold]Wilkie[/bold] wrote: Take drugs do you Bob?[/p][/quote]No Nor was I black when I thought that apartheid was wrong Bob49
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6:56pm Fri 9 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse.

Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not.

Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of.

Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently.

Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase
Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse. Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not. Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of. Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently. Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase s-pb2
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9:24pm Fri 9 Nov 12

manana says...

s-pb2 wrote:
Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse.

Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not.

Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of.

Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently.

Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase
Quite agree...Im sorry but I have no sympathy for drug addicts...its a lifestyle choice. You did not have to take them in the first place and if you take drugs whilst having children then you have no right to those kids. The NHS should not be there wasting their money, of which there is not much, on drug addicts...
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse. Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not. Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of. Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently. Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase[/p][/quote]Quite agree...Im sorry but I have no sympathy for drug addicts...its a lifestyle choice. You did not have to take them in the first place and if you take drugs whilst having children then you have no right to those kids. The NHS should not be there wasting their money, of which there is not much, on drug addicts... manana
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9:36pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Mike Pickering says...

You don't have to have sympathy or agree with their moral position of being encumbered with an addiction from taking part in something they knew was risky and from which addiction was a foreseeable danger - what you have to be is pragmatic and realise that money spent treating addiction stops addicts from stealing the rest of our stuff and handing over the money to international crime syndicates who spread misery, despair and death wherever they decide to operate and expand their empires.
How great it would be to be absolved of the responsibility of doing what's in everyone's best interest for the luxury of being able to judge and finger wag at people who've done something you don't agree with that has caused you to have to make this decision about what to do with our collective resources.
There are drug addicts, it's too late to tut at them, they're already busting into our houses and cars and robbing us - pay for them to stop and we'll all be better off.
Sorry if that's a choice between a bad thing and a terrible thing but that's life.
You don't have to have sympathy or agree with their moral position of being encumbered with an addiction from taking part in something they knew was risky and from which addiction was a foreseeable danger - what you have to be is pragmatic and realise that money spent treating addiction stops addicts from stealing the rest of our stuff and handing over the money to international crime syndicates who spread misery, despair and death wherever they decide to operate and expand their empires. How great it would be to be absolved of the responsibility of doing what's in everyone's best interest for the luxury of being able to judge and finger wag at people who've done something you don't agree with that has caused you to have to make this decision about what to do with our collective resources. There are drug addicts, it's too late to tut at them, they're already busting into our houses and cars and robbing us - pay for them to stop and we'll all be better off. Sorry if that's a choice between a bad thing and a terrible thing but that's life. Mike Pickering
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11:18pm Fri 9 Nov 12

Bob49 says...

"The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money."


So why are not both alcohol and tobacco not illegal ?



"Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not"

As they still do with bootleggers who continue to make 'hooch' long after prohibition was repealed ?


"Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase”

Absolute nonsense, based on scaremongering. Why not ask how much is paid in jailing drug dealers. How much is paid in insurance costs ?

Much of the disruption in class A drug users is caused in finding the absurd sums of money to buy the drugs.

If you are concerned about costs to the NHS check out how many in A&E are alcohol related. How many in cardiac treatment are alcohol and tobacco related ?

The cost to society as a whole is now too heavy for us to continue to hide behind some Enid Blyton concept of the world.
"The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money." So why are not both alcohol and tobacco not illegal ? "Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not" As they still do with bootleggers who continue to make 'hooch' long after prohibition was repealed ? "Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase” Absolute nonsense, based on scaremongering. Why not ask how much is paid in jailing drug dealers. How much is paid in insurance costs ? Much of the disruption in class A drug users is caused in finding the absurd sums of money to buy the drugs. If you are concerned about costs to the NHS check out how many in A&E are alcohol related. How many in cardiac treatment are alcohol and tobacco related ? The cost to society as a whole is now too heavy for us to continue to hide behind some Enid Blyton concept of the world. Bob49
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12:58am Sat 10 Nov 12

HRH of Boscombe says...

manana wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse.

Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not.

Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of.

Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently.

Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase
Quite agree...Im sorry but I have no sympathy for drug addicts...its a lifestyle choice. You did not have to take them in the first place and if you take drugs whilst having children then you have no right to those kids. The NHS should not be there wasting their money, of which there is not much, on drug addicts...
If you don't give a toss about the addicts that's fine. The problem is the criminal empires control and fight over the market. Not to mention the terrorists who profit from the drugs trade.
[quote][p][bold]manana[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse. Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not. Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of. Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently. Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase[/p][/quote]Quite agree...Im sorry but I have no sympathy for drug addicts...its a lifestyle choice. You did not have to take them in the first place and if you take drugs whilst having children then you have no right to those kids. The NHS should not be there wasting their money, of which there is not much, on drug addicts...[/p][/quote]If you don't give a toss about the addicts that's fine. The problem is the criminal empires control and fight over the market. Not to mention the terrorists who profit from the drugs trade. HRH of Boscombe
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8:41am Sat 10 Nov 12

slymo cherrie says...

After reading these comments its obvious a lot of brain damage has been done,
especially the chain smokers.
After reading these comments its obvious a lot of brain damage has been done, especially the chain smokers. slymo cherrie
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9:54am Sat 10 Nov 12

s-pb2 says...

Bob49 wrote:
"The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money."


So why are not both alcohol and tobacco not illegal ?



"Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not"

As they still do with bootleggers who continue to make 'hooch' long after prohibition was repealed ?


"Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase”

Absolute nonsense, based on scaremongering. Why not ask how much is paid in jailing drug dealers. How much is paid in insurance costs ?

Much of the disruption in class A drug users is caused in finding the absurd sums of money to buy the drugs.

If you are concerned about costs to the NHS check out how many in A&E are alcohol related. How many in cardiac treatment are alcohol and tobacco related ?

The cost to society as a whole is now too heavy for us to continue to hide behind some Enid Blyton concept of the world.
I agree alcohol has the same effect on society and in particular the family unit as drugs does and should be banned as well.

Scaremongering? No. The costs of placing children into care with the associated add ons like facilities, health issues, specialist accommodation and education and therapy is higher then sending criminals to jail.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: "The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money." So why are not both alcohol and tobacco not illegal ? "Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not" As they still do with bootleggers who continue to make 'hooch' long after prohibition was repealed ? "Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase” Absolute nonsense, based on scaremongering. Why not ask how much is paid in jailing drug dealers. How much is paid in insurance costs ? Much of the disruption in class A drug users is caused in finding the absurd sums of money to buy the drugs. If you are concerned about costs to the NHS check out how many in A&E are alcohol related. How many in cardiac treatment are alcohol and tobacco related ? The cost to society as a whole is now too heavy for us to continue to hide behind some Enid Blyton concept of the world.[/p][/quote]I agree alcohol has the same effect on society and in particular the family unit as drugs does and should be banned as well. Scaremongering? No. The costs of placing children into care with the associated add ons like facilities, health issues, specialist accommodation and education and therapy is higher then sending criminals to jail. s-pb2
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11:04am Sat 10 Nov 12

Tom 'Boscombe' Jones says...

A 2007 report in Bournemouth showed 26million pounds being spent on crack cocaine in a year by users. All that money goes to drug dealers. The same report stated the cost of raising this cash in terms of crime was 100 million. How many crack dealers went to prison in 2007, not many. The usage and crime figures will be much higher now. Are we winning this expensive war on drugs? Time for a new way I think.
A 2007 report in Bournemouth showed 26million pounds being spent on crack cocaine in a year by users. All that money goes to drug dealers. The same report stated the cost of raising this cash in terms of crime was 100 million. How many crack dealers went to prison in 2007, not many. The usage and crime figures will be much higher now. Are we winning this expensive war on drugs? Time for a new way I think. Tom 'Boscombe' Jones
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12:21pm Sat 10 Nov 12

stevobath says...

s-pb2 wrote:
Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse.

Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not.

Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of.

Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently.

Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase
At the moment more is spent on 'War On Drugs' than treatment of addicts.So you're wrong there.

Addicts are likely to be SUFFERING mental health problems BEFORE they start taking drugs.Hence 'Self Medicating'.People do not get the correct help thats needed BEFORE getting into drugs.

Heroin is very inexpensive.CLEAN MEDICINAL HEROIN is extremely pure...you wouldnt be able to sell 'stronger heroin'.So theres another 'hole' in your theory.

How do you corelate the rehab centres(there are only a few.Most are 'Half Way Houses',there is a difference) with more kids being taken in care? Addicts come to the area on there own.Theres no Creche for Addicted mothers Children! If you can provide figures with regard to addicts kids being taken into care,then I will concede on that one.(i cant find ANY figures).

I could go on & on but lastly,more is spent on the 'War On Drugs' than treatment.Health problems caused by adulterated heroin would stop.Taking CLEAN heroin causes NO DAMAGE to the body.It causes addiction.

You are mis informed & should try doing a bit of research before leaving such naive comments.Has youre Mum & Dad allowed you on the PC to comment on adult articles?
[quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse. Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not. Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of. Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently. Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase[/p][/quote]At the moment more is spent on 'War On Drugs' than treatment of addicts.So you're wrong there. Addicts are likely to be SUFFERING mental health problems BEFORE they start taking drugs.Hence 'Self Medicating'.People do not get the correct help thats needed BEFORE getting into drugs. Heroin is very inexpensive.CLEAN MEDICINAL HEROIN is extremely pure...you wouldnt be able to sell 'stronger heroin'.So theres another 'hole' in your theory. How do you corelate the rehab centres(there are only a few.Most are 'Half Way Houses',there is a difference) with more kids being taken in care? Addicts come to the area on there own.Theres no Creche for Addicted mothers Children! If you can provide figures with regard to addicts kids being taken into care,then I will concede on that one.(i cant find ANY figures). I could go on & on but lastly,more is spent on the 'War On Drugs' than treatment.Health problems caused by adulterated heroin would stop.Taking CLEAN heroin causes NO DAMAGE to the body.It causes addiction. You are mis informed & should try doing a bit of research before leaving such naive comments.Has youre Mum & Dad allowed you on the PC to comment on adult articles? stevobath
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1:04pm Sat 10 Nov 12

stevobath says...

stevobath wrote:
s-pb2 wrote:
Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse.

Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not.

Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of.

Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently.

Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase
At the moment more is spent on 'War On Drugs' than treatment of addicts.So you're wrong there.

Addicts are likely to be SUFFERING mental health problems BEFORE they start taking drugs.Hence 'Self Medicating'.People do not get the correct help thats needed BEFORE getting into drugs.

Heroin is very inexpensive.CLEAN MEDICINAL HEROIN is extremely pure...you wouldnt be able to sell 'stronger heroin'.So theres another 'hole' in your theory.

How do you corelate the rehab centres(there are only a few.Most are 'Half Way Houses',there is a difference) with more kids being taken in care? Addicts come to the area on there own.Theres no Creche for Addicted mothers Children! If you can provide figures with regard to addicts kids being taken into care,then I will concede on that one.(i cant find ANY figures).

I could go on & on but lastly,more is spent on the 'War On Drugs' than treatment.Health problems caused by adulterated heroin would stop.Taking CLEAN heroin causes NO DAMAGE to the body.It causes addiction.

You are mis informed & should try doing a bit of research before leaving such naive comments.Has youre Mum & Dad allowed you on the PC to comment on adult articles?
Found figures for adoption & kids being taken into care.Bournemouth is BELOW national average where there has been a 12% INCREASE on average throughout UK, so SP-B2 your figures are obviously based on assumption & vagueries,possibly gleaned from articles the ECHO has published along with the paragon of 'Morals' that is the Daily Mail? LOL
[quote][p][bold]stevobath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s-pb2[/bold] wrote: Legalise drugs? Definitely not! To suggest legalising drugs will get rid of problems is utterly naive and lacks a basic understanding of the effects of drug abuse. Do you really think dealers and gangs would just pack their bags and shrug their shoulders and say 'oh well it was fun while it lasted', of course not. Whatever any state sponsored drug supply would be available there will always be a stronger version. Addicts are addicts and whatever the state allowed people for some it wont be enough. So there will always be a need for police to deal with drug gangs if drugs were made legal or not. Then there is the cost on the NHS. The NHS will still need to deal with helping those with drug addiction and that alone costs billions upon billions of taxpayers money. That will only increase if drugs are easier to get hold of. Then there is the effect of drug addiction itself not only on the addict but also on those around them. Addicts are more likely to suffer mental health problems. The effect on children is devastating. Children of addicts suffer from neglect and are often witness to violence. It is no coincidence that the huge increase of children coming into care in Bournemouth, which is against the national trend, has coincided with the huge increase of so-called 'rehab' centres in the area. Many of these children are then removed and taken into care permanently. Legalising drugs may save the police money, but ultimately the cost to the NHS and to social services which is paid through your income tax and council tax would dramatically increase[/p][/quote]At the moment more is spent on 'War On Drugs' than treatment of addicts.So you're wrong there. Addicts are likely to be SUFFERING mental health problems BEFORE they start taking drugs.Hence 'Self Medicating'.People do not get the correct help thats needed BEFORE getting into drugs. Heroin is very inexpensive.CLEAN MEDICINAL HEROIN is extremely pure...you wouldnt be able to sell 'stronger heroin'.So theres another 'hole' in your theory. How do you corelate the rehab centres(there are only a few.Most are 'Half Way Houses',there is a difference) with more kids being taken in care? Addicts come to the area on there own.Theres no Creche for Addicted mothers Children! If you can provide figures with regard to addicts kids being taken into care,then I will concede on that one.(i cant find ANY figures). I could go on & on but lastly,more is spent on the 'War On Drugs' than treatment.Health problems caused by adulterated heroin would stop.Taking CLEAN heroin causes NO DAMAGE to the body.It causes addiction. You are mis informed & should try doing a bit of research before leaving such naive comments.Has youre Mum & Dad allowed you on the PC to comment on adult articles?[/p][/quote]Found figures for adoption & kids being taken into care.Bournemouth is BELOW national average where there has been a 12% INCREASE on average throughout UK, so SP-B2 your figures are obviously based on assumption & vagueries,possibly gleaned from articles the ECHO has published along with the paragon of 'Morals' that is the Daily Mail? LOL stevobath
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