“Disastrous”: Former council leader who had Bournemouth Square pedestrianised hits out at cycling trial

Bournemouth Echo: A cyclist in the Square A cyclist in the Square

THE former council leader who had Bournemouth Square pedestrianised has said allowing cyclists to use it would be “disastrous”.

Bournemouth council has agreed to let cyclists use the Square and Pier Approach for a 12-month trial period.

The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.

Mr Eyre said the pedestrianisation had attracted strong opposition at the time. “Having got it through, I think it’s commonly agreed it was a good decision. Bournemouth would seem to be walking backwards by allowing bikes in the Square,” he said.

“I think it’s absolutely disastrous. Anybody coming down Richmond Hill on a bike, on the pavement approaching the Square, is either going to do one heck of a skid or is going to be doing something fairly dangerous.”

A report by council cycling officer Lucy Marstrand said the proliferation of ‘no cycling’ signs at tourist spots sent an “unwelcoming message” to cyclists.

Mr Eyre said he was an occasional cyclist but the Square was the “wrong place” for riding.

“There had always been problems, before pedestrianisation of the Square, with the town being in two halves. People went to use either the Beales side or the M&S side,” he said.

He agreed with veteran councillor Ron Whittaker, who said cyclists should have to dismount while crossing the busy Square.

“As Ron Whittaker said, is it a great problem to get off and walk across with your bike?” he added.

The council’s cabinet member for transport, Cllr Michael Filer, has said it was important to promote cycling.

He said previously: “In order to show that we’re really serious we’ve been persuaded that for a trial period we’re going to give cyclists the opportunity to go across the Pier Approach and Square.

“We are urging cyclists to take this very easy and to realise that shared space means shared space – we don’t want any accidents.”

He said the permission would be withdrawn before the trial was up if there were major problems.

The starting date for the trial has not yet been settled.

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6:02am Wed 30 Apr 14

EGHH says...

Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix. Cyclists need to be banned from riding in a pedestrian areas.
Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix. Cyclists need to be banned from riding in a pedestrian areas. EGHH
  • Score: 81

6:50am Wed 30 Apr 14

bosco1 says...

I cannot see this working at all, the number of near misses with cyclists at the moment in Bournemouth is bad. Its bad enough trying to walk through the square on a normal day and when the summer season/ Christmas Sheds arrive god help us.!! I Assume alot of local people will consider shopping elsewhere. It will be only a matter of time before a accident/conflict happens.!!
I cannot see this working at all, the number of near misses with cyclists at the moment in Bournemouth is bad. Its bad enough trying to walk through the square on a normal day and when the summer season/ Christmas Sheds arrive god help us.!! I Assume alot of local people will consider shopping elsewhere. It will be only a matter of time before a accident/conflict happens.!! bosco1
  • Score: 68

7:13am Wed 30 Apr 14

artfuld2000 says...

You can cycle all along the south-bank in london - and that gets way busier than bournemouth town centre. Priority is always given to pedestrians in these circumstances and a speed limit set. It works okay on the prom too, so I don't see it being an issue now that the council has successfully emptied the town centre by implementing parking meters everywhere encouraging most people to shop at castlepoint where the parking is free.(ok that's not the only reason but it hasn't helped)
The difficulty - as always - is the few who abuse it and would cycle without conisderation for pedestrians - there's a lack of policing or control. But then, I've been barged out of the way by shopmobility users too.
A clear lane marked across the square would help, rather than a free run over the entire area.
You can cycle all along the south-bank in london - and that gets way busier than bournemouth town centre. Priority is always given to pedestrians in these circumstances and a speed limit set. It works okay on the prom too, so I don't see it being an issue now that the council has successfully emptied the town centre by implementing parking meters everywhere encouraging most people to shop at castlepoint where the parking is free.(ok that's not the only reason but it hasn't helped) The difficulty - as always - is the few who abuse it and would cycle without conisderation for pedestrians - there's a lack of policing or control. But then, I've been barged out of the way by shopmobility users too. A clear lane marked across the square would help, rather than a free run over the entire area. artfuld2000
  • Score: 26

7:15am Wed 30 Apr 14

master plan says...

Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?
Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY? master plan
  • Score: -7

7:29am Wed 30 Apr 14

wonderway says...

if your hit by bike in square just sue councilors who voted it through
they voted it in they should be liable for any injuries
if your hit by bike in square just sue councilors who voted it through they voted it in they should be liable for any injuries wonderway
  • Score: 42

7:35am Wed 30 Apr 14

Lord Spring says...

The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.


I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.
The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996. I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that. Lord Spring
  • Score: 18

7:35am Wed 30 Apr 14

retry69 says...

master plan wrote:
Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?
The answers in your comment :)
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?[/p][/quote]The answers in your comment :) retry69
  • Score: -11

7:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.


I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.
Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996. I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.[/p][/quote]Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :) retry69
  • Score: -15

7:52am Wed 30 Apr 14

MrsT.Jojo says...

Those on bikes going through the square are probably trying to get to work or are trying to get to a decent area to ride. It is not the tour d' France. It is insane that people think a mad slew of cyclists are going to start rushing through pedestrians. We need bike lanes: for safety of all involved, to encourage families to get out and exercise and to decrease the amount of vehicle traffic and parking fines in the area! I have ridden a bike for decades and never hit anyone; however, while walking I have been hit twice by a car.
Those on bikes going through the square are probably trying to get to work or are trying to get to a decent area to ride. It is not the tour d' France. It is insane that people think a mad slew of cyclists are going to start rushing through pedestrians. We need bike lanes: for safety of all involved, to encourage families to get out and exercise and to decrease the amount of vehicle traffic and parking fines in the area! I have ridden a bike for decades and never hit anyone; however, while walking I have been hit twice by a car. MrsT.Jojo
  • Score: -6

7:56am Wed 30 Apr 14

davecook says...

Cycling across the square is a crazy. I always get off my bike and push it across, and will continue to do so. Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix, this is an area where people should be able to wander about without having to look round for cyclists all the time. It will be ridiculous in the holiday times with visitors, and will just irritate people. Reading the comments, it seems like plenty of people are already irritated by the thought of such a stupid, ill thought out idea...........
Cycling across the square is a crazy. I always get off my bike and push it across, and will continue to do so. Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix, this is an area where people should be able to wander about without having to look round for cyclists all the time. It will be ridiculous in the holiday times with visitors, and will just irritate people. Reading the comments, it seems like plenty of people are already irritated by the thought of such a stupid, ill thought out idea........... davecook
  • Score: 53

8:00am Wed 30 Apr 14

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.


I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.
Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)
Not the tap on the shoulder job !. would then have to call you Sir
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996. I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.[/p][/quote]Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)[/p][/quote]Not the tap on the shoulder job !. would then have to call you Sir Lord Spring
  • Score: -8

8:00am Wed 30 Apr 14

rusty james says...

master plan wrote:
Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?
Because of all the old guffers who love to moan. Bournemouth is becoming more of a university town, and that's a good thing.
[quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?[/p][/quote]Because of all the old guffers who love to moan. Bournemouth is becoming more of a university town, and that's a good thing. rusty james
  • Score: -34

8:05am Wed 30 Apr 14

Hessenford says...

Ron Whittaker said, “We are urging cyclists to take this very easy and to realise that shared space means shared space – we don’t want any accidents.” .

Then the risk of an accident shouldn't have been put there in the first place.
Ron Whittaker said, “We are urging cyclists to take this very easy and to realise that shared space means shared space – we don’t want any accidents.” . Then the risk of an accident shouldn't have been put there in the first place. Hessenford
  • Score: 19

8:07am Wed 30 Apr 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Allowing cyclists to use the Square and pier approach would be disastrous? Are we talking of the same sort of epic proportions as that of the ill fated Imax which of course was approved by a council led by Mr Eyre.
Allowing cyclists to use the Square and pier approach would be disastrous? Are we talking of the same sort of epic proportions as that of the ill fated Imax which of course was approved by a council led by Mr Eyre. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 8

8:10am Wed 30 Apr 14

artfuld2000 says...


I wonder what "disaster" is going to be caused by cyclists through the square, perhaps we'll have to invoke the help of the DEC and have global fundraising to deal with the fallout from these "disaster" causing cyclists.
[has said allowing cyclists to use it would be “disastrous”.] I wonder what "disaster" is going to be caused by cyclists through the square, perhaps we'll have to invoke the help of the DEC and have global fundraising to deal with the fallout from these "disaster" causing cyclists. artfuld2000
  • Score: 1

8:13am Wed 30 Apr 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

artfuld2000 wrote:

I wonder what "disaster" is going to be caused by cyclists through the square, perhaps we'll have to invoke the help of the DEC and have global fundraising to deal with the fallout from these "disaster" causing cyclists.
It's been working ok so far, I suspect we won't notice any difference.
[quote][p][bold]artfuld2000[/bold] wrote: [has said allowing cyclists to use it would be “disastrous”.] I wonder what "disaster" is going to be caused by cyclists through the square, perhaps we'll have to invoke the help of the DEC and have global fundraising to deal with the fallout from these "disaster" causing cyclists.[/p][/quote]It's been working ok so far, I suspect we won't notice any difference. The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 7

8:19am Wed 30 Apr 14

master plan says...

retry69 wrote:
master plan wrote:
Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?
The answers in your comment :)
Because of sad people like you?
In 20 odd years of cycling from sandbanks to bmth when cycling is banned on the promenade I've never hit anyone the only time I've come close when security or lifeguards jump out on you!
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]master plan[/bold] wrote: Works elsewhere in the world but bournemouth is a problem WHY?[/p][/quote]The answers in your comment :)[/p][/quote]Because of sad people like you? In 20 odd years of cycling from sandbanks to bmth when cycling is banned on the promenade I've never hit anyone the only time I've come close when security or lifeguards jump out on you! master plan
  • Score: -11

8:25am Wed 30 Apr 14

tangogran says...

I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round.
You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area.
Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.
I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round. You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area. Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path. tangogran
  • Score: 22

8:43am Wed 30 Apr 14

Moro99 says...

wonderway wrote:
if your hit by bike in square just sue councilors who voted it through
they voted it in they should be liable for any injuries
Can the more than 600 cyclists hit by cars in Bournemouth in the last 5 years ( which is the 2nd most dangerous place in the country for cycling) sue the council too?
[quote][p][bold]wonderway[/bold] wrote: if your hit by bike in square just sue councilors who voted it through they voted it in they should be liable for any injuries[/p][/quote]Can the more than 600 cyclists hit by cars in Bournemouth in the last 5 years ( which is the 2nd most dangerous place in the country for cycling) sue the council too? Moro99
  • Score: -1

8:55am Wed 30 Apr 14

mark.s says...

It's not a question of 'allowing' cyclists, fact is they DO use it and have been for donkeys years. The question is how it make it safe for everybody.
It's not a question of 'allowing' cyclists, fact is they DO use it and have been for donkeys years. The question is how it make it safe for everybody. mark.s
  • Score: 18

9:13am Wed 30 Apr 14

attra says...

tangogran wrote:
I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round.
You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area.
Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.
That's because the cycle paths are not clear enough! Look at Baiter. When you get lots of dogs, children, the elderly and extended holiday families walking along deep in conversation and swaying and expanding as they walk, the cycle lanes are suddenly not the clear lanes that they were when the area is quiet. People don't generally, purposefully walk into them to annoy cyclists (even though they DO annoy me when I'm cycling) it just happens through volume of people. Please mark the lanes differently and they would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more good will.
[quote][p][bold]tangogran[/bold] wrote: I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round. You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area. Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.[/p][/quote]That's because the cycle paths are not clear enough! Look at Baiter. When you get lots of dogs, children, the elderly and extended holiday families walking along deep in conversation and swaying and expanding as they walk, the cycle lanes are suddenly not the clear lanes that they were when the area is quiet. People don't generally, purposefully walk into them to annoy cyclists (even though they DO annoy me when I'm cycling) it just happens through volume of people. Please mark the lanes differently and they would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more good will. attra
  • Score: 9

9:24am Wed 30 Apr 14

hamworthygarden says...

I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..
I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix.. hamworthygarden
  • Score: 8

9:27am Wed 30 Apr 14

Baywolf says...

The Bike initiative although welcomed is not working. The money poured into roads being cycle friendly is comprimised by cyclist failing to keep within the lanes and going through red lights. Allowing them to cycle in pedestrianised areas and along the prom ( the summer season? ) is just an A&E waiting list in the making. Cyclists should be made to take the proficiency test as well as reminded they have to obey the Highway Code just like everyone else who use the roads. Pedestrians included. But for the council to allow cycling in the square is just insane..it's mayhem with the busses already..have they no concept of what road safety is?
The Bike initiative although welcomed is not working. The money poured into roads being cycle friendly is comprimised by cyclist failing to keep within the lanes and going through red lights. Allowing them to cycle in pedestrianised areas and along the prom ( the summer season? ) is just an A&E waiting list in the making. Cyclists should be made to take the proficiency test as well as reminded they have to obey the Highway Code just like everyone else who use the roads. Pedestrians included. But for the council to allow cycling in the square is just insane..it's mayhem with the busses already..have they no concept of what road safety is? Baywolf
  • Score: 7

9:29am Wed 30 Apr 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

hamworthygarden wrote:
I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..
It would appear from what you state in your posting that cyclists and pedestrians in fact DO mix?
[quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..[/p][/quote]It would appear from what you state in your posting that cyclists and pedestrians in fact DO mix? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 0

9:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

ebagum says...

The main problem in the square is that the majority of pedestrians are moving between Old Christchurch Rd and the Avenue whilst most cyclists are crossing that flow from Richmond Hill towards the Lower Gardens. Cycling with or against the flow can work.
The main problem in the square is that the majority of pedestrians are moving between Old Christchurch Rd and the Avenue whilst most cyclists are crossing that flow from Richmond Hill towards the Lower Gardens. Cycling with or against the flow can work. ebagum
  • Score: 0

9:40am Wed 30 Apr 14

Andrew.Isaac says...

I think mobility scooters are more dangerous! Some of those drivers are lethal! People are quick to say ALL cyclists are dangerous when that is far from the truth. Most are sensible but like with everything its the minority that ruin it for the majority. Believe it or not cyclists will slow down and be sensible.....afteral
l they too will get hurt if they hit someone so im sure they wont speed or go out there way to harm someone. Think about it guys
I think mobility scooters are more dangerous! Some of those drivers are lethal! People are quick to say ALL cyclists are dangerous when that is far from the truth. Most are sensible but like with everything its the minority that ruin it for the majority. Believe it or not cyclists will slow down and be sensible.....afteral l they too will get hurt if they hit someone so im sure they wont speed or go out there way to harm someone. Think about it guys Andrew.Isaac
  • Score: 15

9:50am Wed 30 Apr 14

Lord Spring says...

retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.


I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.
Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)
Its straight up M27 M3 not via Yeovil Oxford Peterbourgh as you have been known to deviate
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996. I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.[/p][/quote]Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)[/p][/quote]Its straight up M27 M3 not via Yeovil Oxford Peterbourgh as you have been known to deviate Lord Spring
  • Score: -6

9:51am Wed 30 Apr 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

EGHH wrote:
Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix. Cyclists need to be banned from riding in a pedestrian areas.
Yet the evidence suggests that the opposite is true?
[quote][p][bold]EGHH[/bold] wrote: Cyclists and pedestrians do not mix. Cyclists need to be banned from riding in a pedestrian areas.[/p][/quote]Yet the evidence suggests that the opposite is true? The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 14

9:52am Wed 30 Apr 14

chris100 says...

Im suprised they havnt put cycle lanes across the square
Im suprised they havnt put cycle lanes across the square chris100
  • Score: 7

9:59am Wed 30 Apr 14

TheDistrict says...

Will be good for Ride By Bag Snatchers...........
................ :-)
Will be good for Ride By Bag Snatchers........... ................ :-) TheDistrict
  • Score: 10

10:04am Wed 30 Apr 14

Gonetothebeach says...

The fewer signs we have around the place telling us that this and that are not allowed the better. Then people would be more likely to comply with the remaining signs in those places where there is real danger of injuring yourself and others.
However - this does also mean that, whatever our preferred mode of transport, we individually act responsibly and show awareness, respect and tolerance for the other people using that space be they on foot, cycle or mobility scooter.
How about a bright sign welcoming responsible cyclists to the square rather than grudgingly 'allowing' them to use it? Such positive messages tend to reinforce the desired behaviour.
By the way - I am not a cyclist or a motorist.
The fewer signs we have around the place telling us that this and that are not allowed the better. Then people would be more likely to comply with the remaining signs in those places where there is real danger of injuring yourself and others. However - this does also mean that, whatever our preferred mode of transport, we individually act responsibly and show awareness, respect and tolerance for the other people using that space be they on foot, cycle or mobility scooter. How about a bright sign welcoming responsible cyclists to the square rather than grudgingly 'allowing' them to use it? Such positive messages tend to reinforce the desired behaviour. By the way - I am not a cyclist or a motorist. Gonetothebeach
  • Score: 10

10:26am Wed 30 Apr 14

a.g.o.g. says...

So are we to have ``Cycle Lanes`` painted in all different directions across the TC and service paths or will cyclists be allowed to use it ad-lib as a recreational cycling zone???
So are we to have ``Cycle Lanes`` painted in all different directions across the TC and service paths or will cyclists be allowed to use it ad-lib as a recreational cycling zone??? a.g.o.g.
  • Score: 0

10:28am Wed 30 Apr 14

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.


I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.
Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)
Its straight up M27 M3 not via Yeovil Oxford Peterbourgh as you have been known to deviate
I know there some fecking idiots around see master plan has taken my comment the wrong way and jumped on his high horse or bike,it's no wonder cyclists get so much stick lmfao
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996. I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.[/p][/quote]Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)[/p][/quote]Its straight up M27 M3 not via Yeovil Oxford Peterbourgh as you have been known to deviate[/p][/quote]I know there some fecking idiots around see master plan has taken my comment the wrong way and jumped on his high horse or bike,it's no wonder cyclists get so much stick lmfao retry69
  • Score: -9

10:33am Wed 30 Apr 14

retry69 says...

Lord Spring wrote:
retry69 wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996.


I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.
Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)
Not the tap on the shoulder job !. would then have to call you Sir
Wait and see, I will send her your best wishes :)
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: The Square was dominated by a busy roundabout until the council, then led by Liberal Democrat Douglas Eyre, had most of it blocked off to traffic in 1996. I wonder how many of todays councillors knew that.[/p][/quote]Ah there you are,missed you yesterday.Going up to see her majesty over the weekend may have a little surprise for you on Monday :)[/p][/quote]Not the tap on the shoulder job !. would then have to call you Sir[/p][/quote]Wait and see, I will send her your best wishes :) retry69
  • Score: -5

10:36am Wed 30 Apr 14

artfuld2000 says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Will be good for Ride By Bag Snatchers........... ................ :-)
They're hardly going to wait for a cycle restriction to be lifted to strike now are they? Or do they just snatch and grab robberies the old way until cylces are allowed being the law abiding citizens they are?
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Will be good for Ride By Bag Snatchers........... ................ :-)[/p][/quote]They're hardly going to wait for a cycle restriction to be lifted to strike now are they? Or do they just snatch and grab robberies the old way until cylces are allowed being the law abiding citizens they are? artfuld2000
  • Score: 0

10:53am Wed 30 Apr 14

scrumpyjack says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
hamworthygarden wrote:
I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..
It would appear from what you state in your posting that cyclists and pedestrians in fact DO mix?
Quite. Oh the irony.
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..[/p][/quote]It would appear from what you state in your posting that cyclists and pedestrians in fact DO mix?[/p][/quote]Quite. Oh the irony. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 0

10:57am Wed 30 Apr 14

Tig says...

hamworthygarden wrote:
I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..
Why weren't the cyclists supposed to be there? The only time you're not allowed to cycle on the Prom is in July and August, between 10am and 6pm. It's perfectly legal at all other times.
[quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..[/p][/quote]Why weren't the cyclists supposed to be there? The only time you're not allowed to cycle on the Prom is in July and August, between 10am and 6pm. It's perfectly legal at all other times. Tig
  • Score: 10

10:58am Wed 30 Apr 14

scrumpyjack says...

attra wrote:
tangogran wrote:
I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round.
You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area.
Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.
That's because the cycle paths are not clear enough! Look at Baiter. When you get lots of dogs, children, the elderly and extended holiday families walking along deep in conversation and swaying and expanding as they walk, the cycle lanes are suddenly not the clear lanes that they were when the area is quiet. People don't generally, purposefully walk into them to annoy cyclists (even though they DO annoy me when I'm cycling) it just happens through volume of people. Please mark the lanes differently and they would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more good will.
Quite agree, the amount of people who will stop to talk right in the middle across both lanes and then scowl and throw dirty looks as you try to get past.
[quote][p][bold]attra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tangogran[/bold] wrote: I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round. You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area. Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.[/p][/quote]That's because the cycle paths are not clear enough! Look at Baiter. When you get lots of dogs, children, the elderly and extended holiday families walking along deep in conversation and swaying and expanding as they walk, the cycle lanes are suddenly not the clear lanes that they were when the area is quiet. People don't generally, purposefully walk into them to annoy cyclists (even though they DO annoy me when I'm cycling) it just happens through volume of people. Please mark the lanes differently and they would be a lot safer and there would be a lot more good will.[/p][/quote]Quite agree, the amount of people who will stop to talk right in the middle across both lanes and then scowl and throw dirty looks as you try to get past. scrumpyjack
  • Score: -4

11:00am Wed 30 Apr 14

woby_tide says...

'“Disastrous”: Former council leader '

I stopped reading after the first line of the story title - I thought it was an appraisal of his tenure. How disappointing
'“Disastrous”: Former council leader ' I stopped reading after the first line of the story title - I thought it was an appraisal of his tenure. How disappointing woby_tide
  • Score: 3

11:19am Wed 30 Apr 14

Wackerone says...

Why stop at the square? Why don't we open up the Dolphin Centre to cycling as well and any other pedestrian shopping area? Why stop at cycling? Let's have motorbikes, same 2 wheels, just an engine instead of pedals. Just shows how ridiculous the whole idea is.
Why stop at the square? Why don't we open up the Dolphin Centre to cycling as well and any other pedestrian shopping area? Why stop at cycling? Let's have motorbikes, same 2 wheels, just an engine instead of pedals. Just shows how ridiculous the whole idea is. Wackerone
  • Score: -10

11:38am Wed 30 Apr 14

DorsetKnobber says...

The sort of people who would ride dangerously and pose a risk to pedestrians probably took no notice of the no cycling signs to begin with. The cyclists who observed the signs are likely to ride safely through the square now that the restrictions are lifted.
I cycle past pedestrians frequently on the dual use cycle paths and they're generally not fussed; it's genuinely mainly older people who tut and make a huge point of clutching themselves in terror. FYI, I can see you all from MILES away when on my bike and I can easily pass you in a safe and controlled way, elderly people of bournemouth there is really no need to sht yourselves when I pass you.

Next step - remove the July/August restrictions on the prom..
The sort of people who would ride dangerously and pose a risk to pedestrians probably took no notice of the no cycling signs to begin with. The cyclists who observed the signs are likely to ride safely through the square now that the restrictions are lifted. I cycle past pedestrians frequently on the dual use cycle paths and they're generally not fussed; it's genuinely mainly older people who tut and make a huge point of clutching themselves in terror. FYI, I can see you all from MILES away when on my bike and I can easily pass you in a safe and controlled way, elderly people of bournemouth there is really no need to sht yourselves when I pass you. Next step - remove the July/August restrictions on the prom.. DorsetKnobber
  • Score: 8

11:51am Wed 30 Apr 14

liveinpeace says...

Don't relish the sight of foreign students cycling through the Square if they cycle anything like they drive back home! Their attitude/conduct that we see and suffer in bus queues doesn't bode well. If they injure someone they will just disappear without trace.
Don't relish the sight of foreign students cycling through the Square if they cycle anything like they drive back home! Their attitude/conduct that we see and suffer in bus queues doesn't bode well. If they injure someone they will just disappear without trace. liveinpeace
  • Score: 1

12:02pm Wed 30 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

I am sure quite a few Bournemouth residents would consider the former Lib Dem Council Leader's original over the top pedestrianisation of the Square as a 'disaster' - it's has certainly never seemed like the same thriving place since.

So maybe we should take this idea a lot further and return the Square itself and at least Richmond Hill to their previous perfectly safe and usually bustling all traffic layouts.
I am sure quite a few Bournemouth residents would consider the former Lib Dem Council Leader's original over the top pedestrianisation of the Square as a 'disaster' - it's has certainly never seemed like the same thriving place since. So maybe we should take this idea a lot further and return the Square itself and at least Richmond Hill to their previous perfectly safe and usually bustling all traffic layouts. muscliffman
  • Score: 8

12:16pm Wed 30 Apr 14

scrumpyjack says...

DorsetKnobber wrote:
The sort of people who would ride dangerously and pose a risk to pedestrians probably took no notice of the no cycling signs to begin with. The cyclists who observed the signs are likely to ride safely through the square now that the restrictions are lifted.
I cycle past pedestrians frequently on the dual use cycle paths and they're generally not fussed; it's genuinely mainly older people who tut and make a huge point of clutching themselves in terror. FYI, I can see you all from MILES away when on my bike and I can easily pass you in a safe and controlled way, elderly people of bournemouth there is really no need to sht yourselves when I pass you.

Next step - remove the July/August restrictions on the prom..
Totally and utterly agree.

I suspect you also are not 'constantly having near misses' when you are a pedestrian either. Go figure.
[quote][p][bold]DorsetKnobber[/bold] wrote: The sort of people who would ride dangerously and pose a risk to pedestrians probably took no notice of the no cycling signs to begin with. The cyclists who observed the signs are likely to ride safely through the square now that the restrictions are lifted. I cycle past pedestrians frequently on the dual use cycle paths and they're generally not fussed; it's genuinely mainly older people who tut and make a huge point of clutching themselves in terror. FYI, I can see you all from MILES away when on my bike and I can easily pass you in a safe and controlled way, elderly people of bournemouth there is really no need to sht yourselves when I pass you. Next step - remove the July/August restrictions on the prom..[/p][/quote]Totally and utterly agree. I suspect you also are not 'constantly having near misses' when you are a pedestrian either. Go figure. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 7

12:42pm Wed 30 Apr 14

BmthNewshound says...

It seems to me that Bournemouth Council policy on cycling is being driven by a small group of militant and vocal cyclists rather than common sense and what is in the interests of all residents.
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I think Douglas Eyre is being a bit dramatic when he claims that the relaxation of cycling bans will be disastrous but I do think that the Council should have consulted the public before making this decision.
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Whilst it should be possible for cyclists and pedestrians to coexist but unfortunately a lot of cyclists fail to understand the highway code which clearly states that where you have a shared space cyclists should always give way to pedestrians and not the other way around.
It seems to me that Bournemouth Council policy on cycling is being driven by a small group of militant and vocal cyclists rather than common sense and what is in the interests of all residents. . I think Douglas Eyre is being a bit dramatic when he claims that the relaxation of cycling bans will be disastrous but I do think that the Council should have consulted the public before making this decision. . Whilst it should be possible for cyclists and pedestrians to coexist but unfortunately a lot of cyclists fail to understand the highway code which clearly states that where you have a shared space cyclists should always give way to pedestrians and not the other way around. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 5

12:48pm Wed 30 Apr 14

UbelievableJeff says...

Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square!
Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square! UbelievableJeff
  • Score: 8

1:25pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Tom_BH2 says...

hamworthygarden wrote:
I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..
#insight
#profound
#sameolds**t
[quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..[/p][/quote]#insight #profound #sameolds**t Tom_BH2
  • Score: -2

1:28pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Franks Tank says...

UbelievableJeff wrote:
Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square!
Wasn't there a plan to have a giant water slide down Richmond Hill at some point?
[quote][p][bold]UbelievableJeff[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square![/p][/quote]Wasn't there a plan to have a giant water slide down Richmond Hill at some point? Franks Tank
  • Score: 2

1:30pm Wed 30 Apr 14

ProudofBoscombe says...

If pedestrians and cyclists can co-exist, then why not cyclists and joggers/runners? So why not let joggers/runners use the velodrome at Slades Farm?

Oh wait, let me guess - cyclists want somewhere to cycle so they don't have to be constantly on the lookout for people on foot. Well, pedestrians want to be able to walk wihtout being constantly on the lookout for speeding cyclists. Parents want to be able for their kids to play on the Prom without being constantly on alert.

It isn't JUST about the accident statistics, idiots.
If pedestrians and cyclists can co-exist, then why not cyclists and joggers/runners? So why not let joggers/runners use the velodrome at Slades Farm? Oh wait, let me guess - cyclists want somewhere to cycle so they don't have to be constantly on the lookout for people on foot. Well, pedestrians want to be able to walk wihtout being constantly on the lookout for speeding cyclists. Parents want to be able for their kids to play on the Prom without being constantly on alert. It isn't JUST about the accident statistics, idiots. ProudofBoscombe
  • Score: -8

1:35pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Tom_BH2 says...

UbelievableJeff wrote:
Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square!
I'll race you Jeff.
How does 2pm on bank Holiday Monday sound to you? I'm sure the square will be empty.
[quote][p][bold]UbelievableJeff[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square![/p][/quote]I'll race you Jeff. How does 2pm on bank Holiday Monday sound to you? I'm sure the square will be empty. Tom_BH2
  • Score: 4

1:54pm Wed 30 Apr 14

retry69 says...

Franks Tank wrote:
UbelievableJeff wrote:
Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square!
Wasn't there a plan to have a giant water slide down Richmond Hill at some point?
Yes you are right what happened to that idea and will it be open to cyclists?
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UbelievableJeff[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square![/p][/quote]Wasn't there a plan to have a giant water slide down Richmond Hill at some point?[/p][/quote]Yes you are right what happened to that idea and will it be open to cyclists? retry69
  • Score: 1

2:11pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Jonwel says...

Just Can't believe they would allow this
Just Can't believe they would allow this Jonwel
  • Score: 7

2:37pm Wed 30 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

UbelievableJeff wrote:
Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square!
Actually a very serious point, cyclists no doubt could enter the Square pedestrian area straight out of a 90degree blind junction at the base of Richmond Hill doing 20-30mph, quite legally if this proceeds........so what could possibly go wrong?
[quote][p][bold]UbelievableJeff[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square![/p][/quote]Actually a very serious point, cyclists no doubt could enter the Square pedestrian area straight out of a 90degree blind junction at the base of Richmond Hill doing 20-30mph, quite legally if this proceeds........so what could possibly go wrong? muscliffman
  • Score: 1

3:06pm Wed 30 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

tangogran wrote:
I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round.
You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area.
Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.
Mudeford obviously has a better class of pedestrian, or perhaps it's simply that there are fewer? Anyway whilst flying through Mudeford Wood at Mach 3 (measured in free space) on my wheels, man, I've found that a simple "excuse me" followed by a smile, a wave of the hand and a "thank you" works wonders. I've encountered one rude person in maybe 25 years.
[quote][p][bold]tangogran[/bold] wrote: I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round. You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area. Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.[/p][/quote]Mudeford obviously has a better class of pedestrian, or perhaps it's simply that there are fewer? Anyway whilst flying through Mudeford Wood at Mach 3 (measured in free space) on my wheels, man, I've found that a simple "excuse me" followed by a smile, a wave of the hand and a "thank you" works wonders. I've encountered one rude person in maybe 25 years. breamoreboy
  • Score: 3

3:21pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Franks Tank says...

breamoreboy wrote:
tangogran wrote:
I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round.
You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area.
Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.
Mudeford obviously has a better class of pedestrian, or perhaps it's simply that there are fewer? Anyway whilst flying through Mudeford Wood at Mach 3 (measured in free space) on my wheels, man, I've found that a simple "excuse me" followed by a smile, a wave of the hand and a "thank you" works wonders. I've encountered one rude person in maybe 25 years.
I've also always found that a cheery "good morning" or a "do you mind if I nip past" followed by a "thank you" always elicits a much better response than ringing a bell in an insistent manner.
[quote][p][bold]breamoreboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tangogran[/bold] wrote: I am a mature and experienced cyclist who will continue to get off and walk across the Square. Cyclists are in danger of being knocked off by pedestrians far more than the other way round. You have to be alert to any movement to stay alive on today's roads whereas pedestrians should be relaxed in a pedestrianised area. Unfortunately pedestrians also seem to relax when there is segregation and are often abusive when you point out they are walking on the cycle path.[/p][/quote]Mudeford obviously has a better class of pedestrian, or perhaps it's simply that there are fewer? Anyway whilst flying through Mudeford Wood at Mach 3 (measured in free space) on my wheels, man, I've found that a simple "excuse me" followed by a smile, a wave of the hand and a "thank you" works wonders. I've encountered one rude person in maybe 25 years.[/p][/quote]I've also always found that a cheery "good morning" or a "do you mind if I nip past" followed by a "thank you" always elicits a much better response than ringing a bell in an insistent manner. Franks Tank
  • Score: 8

4:16pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Franks Tank says...

retry69 wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
UbelievableJeff wrote:
Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square!
Wasn't there a plan to have a giant water slide down Richmond Hill at some point?
Yes you are right what happened to that idea and will it be open to cyclists?
Here we go:-
http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/news/10
399719.UPDATE__Thous
ands_sign_petition_f
or_slide_on_Richmond
_Hill/?ref=rc
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UbelievableJeff[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to see how fast I can go down Richmond Hill - lookout Square![/p][/quote]Wasn't there a plan to have a giant water slide down Richmond Hill at some point?[/p][/quote]Yes you are right what happened to that idea and will it be open to cyclists?[/p][/quote]Here we go:- http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 399719.UPDATE__Thous ands_sign_petition_f or_slide_on_Richmond _Hill/?ref=rc Franks Tank
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Wed 30 Apr 14

HiGene says...

I agree with Franks Tank:-


Yep, it's tricky for a bike bell to sound friendly. Even when I'm walking on the promenade and a cyclist dings their bell behind me, I feel a bit peeved. When I'm on a bike, I just wait for a gap, or say "Sorry can I squeeze past", then "cheers". I've found with kids, just shouting "bike!" in a non-angry way works better :)
I agree with Franks Tank:- [ I've also always found that a cheery "good morning" or a "do you mind if I nip past" followed by a "thank you" always elicits a much better response than ringing a bell in an insistent manner. ] Yep, it's tricky for a bike bell to sound friendly. Even when I'm walking on the promenade and a cyclist dings their bell behind me, I feel a bit peeved. When I'm on a bike, I just wait for a gap, or say "Sorry can I squeeze past", then "cheers". I've found with kids, just shouting "bike!" in a non-angry way works better :) HiGene
  • Score: 7

5:22pm Wed 30 Apr 14

big white bear says...

why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square
why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square big white bear
  • Score: -1

8:27pm Wed 30 Apr 14

scrumpyjack says...

big white bear wrote:
why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square
Nice concentrated use of clichés!

Why oh why? Tick
Grovel to the minorities? Tick
A few cyclists will clear the town? Tick
Use of the word madness? Tick

All in 4 lines. Classic.
[quote][p][bold]big white bear[/bold] wrote: why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square[/p][/quote]Nice concentrated use of clichés! Why oh why? Tick Grovel to the minorities? Tick A few cyclists will clear the town? Tick Use of the word madness? Tick All in 4 lines. Classic. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 3

10:11pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Hobad1 says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
big white bear wrote:
why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square
Nice concentrated use of clichés!

Why oh why? Tick
Grovel to the minorities? Tick
A few cyclists will clear the town? Tick
Use of the word madness? Tick

All in 4 lines. Classic.
Cyclists are a pain in the ar$e.
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]big white bear[/bold] wrote: why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square[/p][/quote]Nice concentrated use of clichés! Why oh why? Tick Grovel to the minorities? Tick A few cyclists will clear the town? Tick Use of the word madness? Tick All in 4 lines. Classic.[/p][/quote]Cyclists are a pain in the ar$e. Hobad1
  • Score: -3

1:10am Thu 1 May 14

DorsetKnobber says...

big white bear wrote:
why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square
won't somebody stop the madness??
[quote][p][bold]big white bear[/bold] wrote: why oh why do the powers that be, always grovel to the minorities these days there will be far more pedestrians than cyclists, even when most people go elsewhere to shop so for once think of the majority and stop this madness of cyclists in the square[/p][/quote]won't somebody stop the madness?? DorsetKnobber
  • Score: 7

9:00am Thu 1 May 14

Gordon Cann says...

This discussion and 61 comments reminds me of the discussions the medieval theologians are reputed to have had regarding how may angels could sit on the head of a needle ; pretty pointless!

I doubt if many people will change their mind on this issue whatever is said in these comments-we are where we are , but it seems pretty clear to me that cyclist and pedestrians in a busy town centre dont mix well together; one or the other should be banned.

Perhaps in the spirit of David Cameron's much vaunted' localism' there could be a definitive local referendum or vote, but then the idea of localism hardly squares with the way the Coalition Government has destroyed education as a local government service, with power now concentrated in the hands of Mr Gove


In more normal circumstances a decision could be best made by the Council; but circumstances are far from normal in Bournemouth where there are just two Liberal Democrat Councillors and three Labour Councillors , and with the prospect of that situation continuing indefinitely meaning indefinite Conservative rule-quite unrepresentative of the people of Bournemouth as a whole.

Submitted on May Day -( Wunderschonen Mai ) except in Strouden Park and Kinson where even the hanging baskets for flowers have been taken down- and how much did the 'Welcome to Bournemouth' sign cost !!?
This discussion and 61 comments reminds me of the discussions the medieval theologians are reputed to have had regarding how may angels could sit on the head of a needle ; pretty pointless! I doubt if many people will change their mind on this issue whatever is said in these comments-we are where we are , but it seems pretty clear to me that cyclist and pedestrians in a busy town centre dont mix well together; one or the other should be banned. Perhaps in the spirit of David Cameron's much vaunted' localism' there could be a definitive local referendum or vote, but then the idea of localism hardly squares with the way the Coalition Government has destroyed education as a local government service, with power now concentrated in the hands of Mr Gove In more normal circumstances a decision could be best made by the Council; but circumstances are far from normal in Bournemouth where there are just two Liberal Democrat Councillors and three Labour Councillors , and with the prospect of that situation continuing indefinitely meaning indefinite Conservative rule-quite unrepresentative of the people of Bournemouth as a whole. Submitted on May Day -( Wunderschonen Mai ) except in Strouden Park and Kinson where even the hanging baskets for flowers have been taken down- and how much did the 'Welcome to Bournemouth' sign cost !!? Gordon Cann
  • Score: -6

5:41pm Sat 3 May 14

The Archer says...

councillor filer says he will stop the trial if there is a serious accident - SO we have to wait until someone is killed? is he the same imbecile who had the traffic lights changed at the Wimborne Road / Ensbury Park Road junction so that anyone driving from Moordown and wishing to turn right has to turn on the red light unless another motorist gives way, rare as rocking horse poo that is, although some people first in the queue give way and can not understand that the lights are still red the other way. you only have to drive through the streets to find lots of instances of stupidity from the transport dictators, they seem to have very little common sense.
councillor filer says he will stop the trial if there is a serious accident - SO we have to wait until someone is killed? is he the same imbecile who had the traffic lights changed at the Wimborne Road / Ensbury Park Road junction so that anyone driving from Moordown and wishing to turn right has to turn on the red light unless another motorist gives way, rare as rocking horse poo that is, although some people first in the queue give way and can not understand that the lights are still red the other way. you only have to drive through the streets to find lots of instances of stupidity from the transport dictators, they seem to have very little common sense. The Archer
  • Score: 1

5:44pm Sat 3 May 14

The Archer says...

MrsT.Jojo wrote:
Those on bikes going through the square are probably trying to get to work or are trying to get to a decent area to ride. It is not the tour d' France. It is insane that people think a mad slew of cyclists are going to start rushing through pedestrians. We need bike lanes: for safety of all involved, to encourage families to get out and exercise and to decrease the amount of vehicle traffic and parking fines in the area! I have ridden a bike for decades and never hit anyone; however, while walking I have been hit twice by a car.
so cars have been driving on the footpath? or is it more likely that you walked out into the road without looking
[quote][p][bold]MrsT.Jojo[/bold] wrote: Those on bikes going through the square are probably trying to get to work or are trying to get to a decent area to ride. It is not the tour d' France. It is insane that people think a mad slew of cyclists are going to start rushing through pedestrians. We need bike lanes: for safety of all involved, to encourage families to get out and exercise and to decrease the amount of vehicle traffic and parking fines in the area! I have ridden a bike for decades and never hit anyone; however, while walking I have been hit twice by a car.[/p][/quote]so cars have been driving on the footpath? or is it more likely that you walked out into the road without looking The Archer
  • Score: 1

5:50pm Sat 3 May 14

The Archer says...

The-Bleeding-Obvious wrote:
hamworthygarden wrote:
I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..
It would appear from what you state in your posting that cyclists and pedestrians in fact DO mix?
and what warped logic do you have for that observation Mr Obvious
[quote][p][bold]The-Bleeding-Obvious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hamworthygarden[/bold] wrote: I wont be going to B'th again, it will have to be Castlepoint, I am not elderly but I walk with a stick and cannot afford to have an accident/near miss with a bike. They were filming along the prom last week for South Today and the cyclists, who should not have been there, were riding far too fast and in an out of the pedestrians, I am afraid to say cyclists and pedestrians don't mix..[/p][/quote]It would appear from what you state in your posting that cyclists and pedestrians in fact DO mix?[/p][/quote]and what warped logic do you have for that observation Mr Obvious The Archer
  • Score: 0

11:31pm Sun 4 May 14

FNS-man says...

The Archer wrote:
MrsT.Jojo wrote:
Those on bikes going through the square are probably trying to get to work or are trying to get to a decent area to ride. It is not the tour d' France. It is insane that people think a mad slew of cyclists are going to start rushing through pedestrians. We need bike lanes: for safety of all involved, to encourage families to get out and exercise and to decrease the amount of vehicle traffic and parking fines in the area! I have ridden a bike for decades and never hit anyone; however, while walking I have been hit twice by a car.
so cars have been driving on the footpath? or is it more likely that you walked out into the road without looking
About 40 pedestrians are killed on the pavement by cars each year. (Roughly one person every other year is killed anywhere by a cyclist.) So, yes, cars have been driving / crashing on the footpath. And it's cars you need to worry about, not bikes.
[quote][p][bold]The Archer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MrsT.Jojo[/bold] wrote: Those on bikes going through the square are probably trying to get to work or are trying to get to a decent area to ride. It is not the tour d' France. It is insane that people think a mad slew of cyclists are going to start rushing through pedestrians. We need bike lanes: for safety of all involved, to encourage families to get out and exercise and to decrease the amount of vehicle traffic and parking fines in the area! I have ridden a bike for decades and never hit anyone; however, while walking I have been hit twice by a car.[/p][/quote]so cars have been driving on the footpath? or is it more likely that you walked out into the road without looking[/p][/quote]About 40 pedestrians are killed on the pavement by cars each year. (Roughly one person every other year is killed anywhere by a cyclist.) So, yes, cars have been driving / crashing on the footpath. And it's cars you need to worry about, not bikes. FNS-man
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11:52am Tue 6 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

Silly idea,
Some of us still remember the great cycling disaster of 1899 in the square, where someone got a grazed knee. Will someone please think of the begonia's.
Silly idea, Some of us still remember the great cycling disaster of 1899 in the square, where someone got a grazed knee. Will someone please think of the begonia's. Dorset Logic
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6:56pm Tue 6 May 14

robusall says...

Everywhere you go Cyclists simply ignore any signs they don't like. There's no cycling in the Lower, middle and upper gardens. Not that you'd believe that given the number of cyclists who ride their bikes over the No Cycling signs. Likewise in all the chines. Likewise the Pier Approach is also clearly marked No Cycling, but I've yet to see a single cyclist actually dismount there. As for the Promenade during the summer, you'd think it was a race track despite cycling being banned there at times of the day. Why can't the Council enforce the existing regulations?

If the cycling officer wants to encourage cycling in Bournemouth then first she should who that cyclists are law abiding and safe. Right now there's precious little difference between a cyclist and a psychopath.
Everywhere you go Cyclists simply ignore any signs they don't like. There's no cycling in the Lower, middle and upper gardens. Not that you'd believe that given the number of cyclists who ride their bikes over the No Cycling signs. Likewise in all the chines. Likewise the Pier Approach is also clearly marked No Cycling, but I've yet to see a single cyclist actually dismount there. As for the Promenade during the summer, you'd think it was a race track despite cycling being banned there at times of the day. Why can't the Council enforce the existing regulations? If the cycling officer wants to encourage cycling in Bournemouth then first she should who that cyclists are law abiding and safe. Right now there's precious little difference between a cyclist and a psychopath. robusall
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7:18pm Tue 6 May 14

Susiesparkle says...

I have been thrown backwards by a rogue cyclist who, although shouted 'sorry', continued on his way without asking if I had been hurt. I do hope the council has undertaken a risk assessment in their allowing bikes which can reach incredible speeds share the pedestrianised areas in Bournemouth. As cyclists have no insurance, I presume if any injuries are sustained by a pedestrian by a cyclist, the Council will take full responsibility and compensate the injured person. After all, pedestrians have right of way over cyclists and the Council, in agreeing the usage of bikes in erstwhile pedestrian areas, must be held culpable for any accidents.
I have been thrown backwards by a rogue cyclist who, although shouted 'sorry', continued on his way without asking if I had been hurt. I do hope the council has undertaken a risk assessment in their allowing bikes which can reach incredible speeds share the pedestrianised areas in Bournemouth. As cyclists have no insurance, I presume if any injuries are sustained by a pedestrian by a cyclist, the Council will take full responsibility and compensate the injured person. After all, pedestrians have right of way over cyclists and the Council, in agreeing the usage of bikes in erstwhile pedestrian areas, must be held culpable for any accidents. Susiesparkle
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4:49pm Fri 9 May 14

suzigirl says...

Susiesparkle wrote:
I have been thrown backwards by a rogue cyclist who, although shouted 'sorry', continued on his way without asking if I had been hurt. I do hope the council has undertaken a risk assessment in their allowing bikes which can reach incredible speeds share the pedestrianised areas in Bournemouth. As cyclists have no insurance, I presume if any injuries are sustained by a pedestrian by a cyclist, the Council will take full responsibility and compensate the injured person. After all, pedestrians have right of way over cyclists and the Council, in agreeing the usage of bikes in erstwhile pedestrian areas, must be held culpable for any accidents.
Pedestrians have a right of way over cyclists at Whitecliff and it is horrendous walking along there with all the speeding cyclists. A cyclist was lucky not to injure my dog when he braked hard and fell over the handlebars of his bike as he was going too fast and he was a lucky boy not to have hurt my dog I can tell you!

If cyclists showed some respect for pedestrians it might be a different matter but once they have their lycra on strange things happen!
[quote][p][bold]Susiesparkle[/bold] wrote: I have been thrown backwards by a rogue cyclist who, although shouted 'sorry', continued on his way without asking if I had been hurt. I do hope the council has undertaken a risk assessment in their allowing bikes which can reach incredible speeds share the pedestrianised areas in Bournemouth. As cyclists have no insurance, I presume if any injuries are sustained by a pedestrian by a cyclist, the Council will take full responsibility and compensate the injured person. After all, pedestrians have right of way over cyclists and the Council, in agreeing the usage of bikes in erstwhile pedestrian areas, must be held culpable for any accidents.[/p][/quote]Pedestrians have a right of way over cyclists at Whitecliff and it is horrendous walking along there with all the speeding cyclists. A cyclist was lucky not to injure my dog when he braked hard and fell over the handlebars of his bike as he was going too fast and he was a lucky boy not to have hurt my dog I can tell you! If cyclists showed some respect for pedestrians it might be a different matter but once they have their lycra on strange things happen! suzigirl
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