Motorcyclist in Horton Road crash died after ‘misjudging overtake manoeuvre on blind bend’, inquest hears

Bournemouth Echo: ACCIDENT SCENE: Motorcyclist Ivan Tomlinson died in a crash near the Horton Inn ACCIDENT SCENE: Motorcyclist Ivan Tomlinson died in a crash near the Horton Inn

AN EXPERIENCED motorcyclist died after misjudging an overtaking manoeuvre on a blind bend, an inquest heard.

Ivan Gordon Tomlinson, 59, was pronounced dead at the scene on May 21 after a head-on collision with a white delivery van on the B3078 Cranborne Road, near the Horton Inn.

During the inquest at Bournemouth Coroner’s Court, family and witnesses heard that Mr Tomlinson was riding his Suzuki GSX in convoy with his colleague Adam Edds on their way to the weekly bike night at Poole Quay.

Witness Nilofar Vatani told the inquest that she was driving home on the summer’s evening in her purple Ford Ka when she noticed a motorcyclist overtaking her ‘very fast’ just before a blind bend.

She said she shouted ‘Oh my god’ when she realised the motorcyclist had lost control on the corner and was heading towards the grass verge on the opposite side of the road.

She then saw Mr Tomlinson collide head-on with a van approaching from the opposite direction, which resulted in him being thrown from his Suzuki bike.

He landed on the side of the road.

Her boyfriend Joshua Courtney, who was a passenger in her car, told the inquest: “Without warning the motorcycle was trying to overtake us – we both said how mad it seemed.

“It was a crazy manoeuvre at the speed of about 80mph.”

He said that the rider tried to keep control on the bend and that it was ‘horrendous to watch’ and added: “It was an idiotic move by the driver in my opinion.”

Adam Edds, who was riding in convoy behind Mr Tomlinson, said that his friend and colleague was a ‘safe all-round rider’ but that in the moments before his collision he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake.

Mr Tomlinson was a keen biker, carpenter and family man, who lived in Andover.

Pathologist Doctor Al Utayem stated the cause of death was a severe head injury and spinal trauma.

Assistant Coroner for Dorset Richard Middleton recorded a verdict that Mr Tomlinson died as a result of a road traffic collision.

He added: “It was clearly not a sensible manoeuvre and that ill-judged decision set in motion a series of events that Mr Tomlinson was unable to control.”

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7:08am Thu 13 Feb 14

Huey says...

Suicidal biker
Suicidal biker Huey
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7:22am Thu 13 Feb 14

willytee says...

I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance. willytee
  • Score: 36

9:15am Thu 13 Feb 14

Chris the plumber says...

some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist.
If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code . Chris the plumber
  • Score: 42

9:54am Thu 13 Feb 14

Hickery says...

Here we go - let's bash all bikers on the basis of one person's mistake - an error which cost his life and was clearly traumatic for those who witnessed it. I think the outcome of the inquest is plain - it was his own fault. But that doesn't make him suicidal. I doubt very much that he set out to die that day. Bikers are vulnerable and must take even more care on the roads than other users in order to protect themselves. And many, many more bikers ride carefully and safely than the number who are reckless. My condolences to the grieving family and friends who were left behind.
Here we go - let's bash all bikers on the basis of one person's mistake - an error which cost his life and was clearly traumatic for those who witnessed it. I think the outcome of the inquest is plain - it was his own fault. But that doesn't make him suicidal. I doubt very much that he set out to die that day. Bikers are vulnerable and must take even more care on the roads than other users in order to protect themselves. And many, many more bikers ride carefully and safely than the number who are reckless. My condolences to the grieving family and friends who were left behind. Hickery
  • Score: 25

10:07am Thu 13 Feb 14

speedy231278 says...

I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?
I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it? speedy231278
  • Score: -35

10:41am Thu 13 Feb 14

hamworthygirl says...

People in general can make a mistake regardless of being on a bike or car, that split second decision changes lives. Its sad to read and RIP Ivan and thoughts with his family.
People in general can make a mistake regardless of being on a bike or car, that split second decision changes lives. Its sad to read and RIP Ivan and thoughts with his family. hamworthygirl
  • Score: 14

10:53am Thu 13 Feb 14

rayc says...

speedy231278 wrote:
I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?
Perhaps the witness meant that considering the speed and the approaching bend that the last thing he expected to happen was the overtake. Even the other motorcyclist said "he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake".

Picking the witness up on his statement will be no consolation to anybody.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?[/p][/quote]Perhaps the witness meant that considering the speed and the approaching bend that the last thing he expected to happen was the overtake. Even the other motorcyclist said "he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake". Picking the witness up on his statement will be no consolation to anybody. rayc
  • Score: 30

11:09am Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about! suzigirl
  • Score: -43

11:18am Thu 13 Feb 14

In Absentia says...

Suzigirl

This is clearly a tragedy for all involved, but doing 80mph on a 60 mph limit road is hardly 'just over' is it. Most local drivers know how dangerous that stretch of road can be. Sadly, the rider took an extreme gamble and paid the ultimate price for it.
Suzigirl This is clearly a tragedy for all involved, but doing 80mph on a 60 mph limit road is hardly 'just over' is it. Most local drivers know how dangerous that stretch of road can be. Sadly, the rider took an extreme gamble and paid the ultimate price for it. In Absentia
  • Score: 40

11:39am Thu 13 Feb 14

we-shall-see says...

suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet.


This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position.

This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one.

As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of. we-shall-see
  • Score: 29

11:53am Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

we-shall-see wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.
I did not say that a car driver not using a wing mirror had anything to do with this accident but just commenting that a lot of accidents involving motorcyclists overtaking/filtering is due to incompetent motorists....... As I am a BIKER myself (not EX) I know this too well END OF!
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.[/p][/quote]I did not say that a car driver not using a wing mirror had anything to do with this accident but just commenting that a lot of accidents involving motorcyclists overtaking/filtering is due to incompetent motorists....... As I am a BIKER myself (not EX) I know this too well END OF! suzigirl
  • Score: -39

11:55am Thu 13 Feb 14

UZZY says...

As a motorcyclist l plan my next 2 moves before making a manoeuvre so if its a blind corner its a no no ...RIP my friend.
As a motorcyclist l plan my next 2 moves before making a manoeuvre so if its a blind corner its a no no ...RIP my friend. UZZY
  • Score: 21

12:28pm Thu 13 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
Well judging by the fact your always bragging about how fast your husbands 1400cc motorcycle goes, its no surprise you think travelling at over 80 in a 60 is only just over the speed limit?

Its sad for him, his family and those who witnessed it first hand, devastating for all concerned, but your throw away comment about drivers not using their mirrors has nothing to do with it.
If you ride around looking for people to blame all the time rather than ways in which you could ride to avoid an accident in the first place, no matter who's at fault, then chances are you'll still be around to talk about it?

The fact that no one else was injured is more by luck than judgement, a 200kg motorcycle traveling at over 80mph is still a serious hunk of metal and plastic, more so when you consider the fact it can easily become airborne? Further accidents could also occur by vehicles colliding while attempting to avoid the bike and rider?

And yes I do have a motorbike licence and a bike and have done so for over 20yrs, but I choose not to go around bragging about how quick it is as all that does is give motorcycling a bad reputation.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]Well judging by the fact your always bragging about how fast your husbands 1400cc motorcycle goes, its no surprise you think travelling at over 80 in a 60 is only just over the speed limit? Its sad for him, his family and those who witnessed it first hand, devastating for all concerned, but your throw away comment about drivers not using their mirrors has nothing to do with it. If you ride around looking for people to blame all the time rather than ways in which you could ride to avoid an accident in the first place, no matter who's at fault, then chances are you'll still be around to talk about it? The fact that no one else was injured is more by luck than judgement, a 200kg motorcycle traveling at over 80mph is still a serious hunk of metal and plastic, more so when you consider the fact it can easily become airborne? Further accidents could also occur by vehicles colliding while attempting to avoid the bike and rider? And yes I do have a motorbike licence and a bike and have done so for over 20yrs, but I choose not to go around bragging about how quick it is as all that does is give motorcycling a bad reputation. BarrHumbug
  • Score: 21

12:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

Chris the plumber wrote:
some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......
[quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family....... suzigirl
  • Score: -27

12:39pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
Well judging by the fact your always bragging about how fast your husbands 1400cc motorcycle goes, its no surprise you think travelling at over 80 in a 60 is only just over the speed limit? Its sad for him, his family and those who witnessed it first hand, devastating for all concerned, but your throw away comment about drivers not using their mirrors has nothing to do with it. If you ride around looking for people to blame all the time rather than ways in which you could ride to avoid an accident in the first place, no matter who's at fault, then chances are you'll still be around to talk about it? The fact that no one else was injured is more by luck than judgement, a 200kg motorcycle traveling at over 80mph is still a serious hunk of metal and plastic, more so when you consider the fact it can easily become airborne? Further accidents could also occur by vehicles colliding while attempting to avoid the bike and rider? And yes I do have a motorbike licence and a bike and have done so for over 20yrs, but I choose not to go around bragging about how quick it is as all that does is give motorcycling a bad reputation.
For your information my husband competes in quarter of a mile sprints on the 1400 - that is how we know how fast it is - I think there is a class for 125's if you are interested and have the bottle LOL!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]Well judging by the fact your always bragging about how fast your husbands 1400cc motorcycle goes, its no surprise you think travelling at over 80 in a 60 is only just over the speed limit? Its sad for him, his family and those who witnessed it first hand, devastating for all concerned, but your throw away comment about drivers not using their mirrors has nothing to do with it. If you ride around looking for people to blame all the time rather than ways in which you could ride to avoid an accident in the first place, no matter who's at fault, then chances are you'll still be around to talk about it? The fact that no one else was injured is more by luck than judgement, a 200kg motorcycle traveling at over 80mph is still a serious hunk of metal and plastic, more so when you consider the fact it can easily become airborne? Further accidents could also occur by vehicles colliding while attempting to avoid the bike and rider? And yes I do have a motorbike licence and a bike and have done so for over 20yrs, but I choose not to go around bragging about how quick it is as all that does is give motorcycling a bad reputation.[/p][/quote]For your information my husband competes in quarter of a mile sprints on the 1400 - that is how we know how fast it is - I think there is a class for 125's if you are interested and have the bottle LOL! suzigirl
  • Score: -35

12:48pm Thu 13 Feb 14

joeinpoole says...

suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote:
some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......
What a shame that Ivan didn't show some respect to his family and also the speed limit. It's one thing doing 80mph on a motorway in good conditions but on a narrow, busy country road it is simply insane.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......[/p][/quote]What a shame that Ivan didn't show some respect to his family and also the speed limit. It's one thing doing 80mph on a motorway in good conditions but on a narrow, busy country road it is simply insane. joeinpoole
  • Score: 19

1:02pm Thu 13 Feb 14

watford06 says...

with that sort of attitude suzigirl it won't be crying shame if your next then will it
with that sort of attitude suzigirl it won't be crying shame if your next then will it watford06
  • Score: 6

1:10pm Thu 13 Feb 14

we-shall-see says...

suzigirl wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.
I did not say that a car driver not using a wing mirror had anything to do with this accident but just commenting that a lot of accidents involving motorcyclists overtaking/filtering is due to incompetent motorists....... As I am a BIKER myself (not EX) I know this too well END OF!
I fail to see why being a current biker, as opposed to an ex biker has to do with it? I guess it just sums up your silly little "biker chick" mentality ....

For the record, I was a biker (on both big bigs and trikes) for over 30 years between 1969 and 2006 and now I am a grandmother I drive a car so I can take my grandchildren with me - that is my choice - but it DOES NOT make my comments any less relevant - only to those like you who think you own the road and anyone else's opinion does not count :o//
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.[/p][/quote]I did not say that a car driver not using a wing mirror had anything to do with this accident but just commenting that a lot of accidents involving motorcyclists overtaking/filtering is due to incompetent motorists....... As I am a BIKER myself (not EX) I know this too well END OF![/p][/quote]I fail to see why being a current biker, as opposed to an ex biker has to do with it? I guess it just sums up your silly little "biker chick" mentality .... For the record, I was a biker (on both big bigs and trikes) for over 30 years between 1969 and 2006 and now I am a grandmother I drive a car so I can take my grandchildren with me - that is my choice - but it DOES NOT make my comments any less relevant - only to those like you who think you own the road and anyone else's opinion does not count :o// we-shall-see
  • Score: 18

1:11pm Thu 13 Feb 14

speedy231278 says...

I see the anti anything without four wheels and non-functioning mirrors and indicators brigade are out in full force today. No accidents of your own to cause?
I see the anti anything without four wheels and non-functioning mirrors and indicators brigade are out in full force today. No accidents of your own to cause? speedy231278
  • Score: -3

1:13pm Thu 13 Feb 14

speedy231278 says...

rayc wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?
Perhaps the witness meant that considering the speed and the approaching bend that the last thing he expected to happen was the overtake. Even the other motorcyclist said "he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake".

Picking the witness up on his statement will be no consolation to anybody.
He said without warning. Not 'the last thing I expected was'. 'Without warning' clearly implies he expected a warning that an overtaking manouvre was imminent.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?[/p][/quote]Perhaps the witness meant that considering the speed and the approaching bend that the last thing he expected to happen was the overtake. Even the other motorcyclist said "he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake". Picking the witness up on his statement will be no consolation to anybody.[/p][/quote]He said without warning. Not 'the last thing I expected was'. 'Without warning' clearly implies he expected a warning that an overtaking manouvre was imminent. speedy231278
  • Score: -6

1:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Emery says...

A week later on bike night again, I was driving north towards Cranborne and at the exact same spot this accident had happened I was faced with a biker riding at speed overtaking on the blind bend. Luckily for him I was driving below the limit at about 40mph so was able to brake enough to allow him to make the stupid overtake. I'm a biker have been for over 35 years and I'm afraid there are far to many bikers with a bad attitude to their own safety.
If you treat all other road users as blind deaf idiots and ride accordingly you will have far less hassle on the roads. I've been a bike courier for many years and have yet to have any incidents where I have collided with other road users. Is this luck? no you just have to have to right attitude and realize that just because its your right of way doesn't mean its safe, and if they are bigger than you you will come off worse, that's if you survive it. Don't put your safety in the hands of other road users, its all down to YOU what ever you ride or drive.
A week later on bike night again, I was driving north towards Cranborne and at the exact same spot this accident had happened I was faced with a biker riding at speed overtaking on the blind bend. Luckily for him I was driving below the limit at about 40mph so was able to brake enough to allow him to make the stupid overtake. I'm a biker have been for over 35 years and I'm afraid there are far to many bikers with a bad attitude to their own safety. If you treat all other road users as blind deaf idiots and ride accordingly you will have far less hassle on the roads. I've been a bike courier for many years and have yet to have any incidents where I have collided with other road users. Is this luck? no you just have to have to right attitude and realize that just because its your right of way doesn't mean its safe, and if they are bigger than you you will come off worse, that's if you survive it. Don't put your safety in the hands of other road users, its all down to YOU what ever you ride or drive. Emery
  • Score: 21

1:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Mindvor says...

Sad to hear but unfortunately motorbike riders are very very vulnerable and the price of any kind of lapse of judgement, no matter how small or stupid, can be severe (to all involved).
However, lets not forget that the lure of the open road and the exhilaration it can bring is at least some of what biking is all about and its what will continue to bring new riders onto the road. The most we can hope for is that tragic events like this serve as a reminder, to new and old riders alike, that we are not immortal in our leather and fibreglass cocoons.

On a related note...is the comments section of an article about someone's untimely death really the place to be holding a p#ssing contest about the size of what's between you or your husbands legs? No, I thought not..it's comments like this that don't do bikers any favours, so please stop ;)
Sad to hear but unfortunately motorbike riders are very very vulnerable and the price of any kind of lapse of judgement, no matter how small or stupid, can be severe (to all involved). However, lets not forget that the lure of the open road and the exhilaration it can bring is at least some of what biking is all about and its what will continue to bring new riders onto the road. The most we can hope for is that tragic events like this serve as a reminder, to new and old riders alike, that we are not immortal in our leather and fibreglass cocoons. On a related note...is the comments section of an article about someone's untimely death really the place to be holding a p#ssing contest about the size of what's between you or your husbands legs? No, I thought not..it's comments like this that don't do bikers any favours, so please stop ;) Mindvor
  • Score: 17

1:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Mindvor says...

Emery wrote:
A week later on bike night again, I was driving north towards Cranborne and at the exact same spot this accident had happened I was faced with a biker riding at speed overtaking on the blind bend. Luckily for him I was driving below the limit at about 40mph so was able to brake enough to allow him to make the stupid overtake. I'm a biker have been for over 35 years and I'm afraid there are far to many bikers with a bad attitude to their own safety.
If you treat all other road users as blind deaf idiots and ride accordingly you will have far less hassle on the roads. I've been a bike courier for many years and have yet to have any incidents where I have collided with other road users. Is this luck? no you just have to have to right attitude and realize that just because its your right of way doesn't mean its safe, and if they are bigger than you you will come off worse, that's if you survive it. Don't put your safety in the hands of other road users, its all down to YOU what ever you ride or drive.
What he/she said :)
[quote][p][bold]Emery[/bold] wrote: A week later on bike night again, I was driving north towards Cranborne and at the exact same spot this accident had happened I was faced with a biker riding at speed overtaking on the blind bend. Luckily for him I was driving below the limit at about 40mph so was able to brake enough to allow him to make the stupid overtake. I'm a biker have been for over 35 years and I'm afraid there are far to many bikers with a bad attitude to their own safety. If you treat all other road users as blind deaf idiots and ride accordingly you will have far less hassle on the roads. I've been a bike courier for many years and have yet to have any incidents where I have collided with other road users. Is this luck? no you just have to have to right attitude and realize that just because its your right of way doesn't mean its safe, and if they are bigger than you you will come off worse, that's if you survive it. Don't put your safety in the hands of other road users, its all down to YOU what ever you ride or drive.[/p][/quote]What he/she said :) Mindvor
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Poole Pirate says...

suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
Well judging by the fact your always bragging about how fast your husbands 1400cc motorcycle goes, its no surprise you think travelling at over 80 in a 60 is only just over the speed limit? Its sad for him, his family and those who witnessed it first hand, devastating for all concerned, but your throw away comment about drivers not using their mirrors has nothing to do with it. If you ride around looking for people to blame all the time rather than ways in which you could ride to avoid an accident in the first place, no matter who's at fault, then chances are you'll still be around to talk about it? The fact that no one else was injured is more by luck than judgement, a 200kg motorcycle traveling at over 80mph is still a serious hunk of metal and plastic, more so when you consider the fact it can easily become airborne? Further accidents could also occur by vehicles colliding while attempting to avoid the bike and rider? And yes I do have a motorbike licence and a bike and have done so for over 20yrs, but I choose not to go around bragging about how quick it is as all that does is give motorcycling a bad reputation.
For your information my husband competes in quarter of a mile sprints on the 1400 - that is how we know how fast it is - I think there is a class for 125's if you are interested and have the bottle LOL!
Yet again you’re proving to be an embarrassment to the mostly responsible and law-abiding motorcycling community. You just don’t know when to stop digging the massive hole you’re getting in to. Last week you were bragging how police cars couldn’t catch you because they were too slow !. My advice to you would be to take a look at your feedback and exit gracefully.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]Well judging by the fact your always bragging about how fast your husbands 1400cc motorcycle goes, its no surprise you think travelling at over 80 in a 60 is only just over the speed limit? Its sad for him, his family and those who witnessed it first hand, devastating for all concerned, but your throw away comment about drivers not using their mirrors has nothing to do with it. If you ride around looking for people to blame all the time rather than ways in which you could ride to avoid an accident in the first place, no matter who's at fault, then chances are you'll still be around to talk about it? The fact that no one else was injured is more by luck than judgement, a 200kg motorcycle traveling at over 80mph is still a serious hunk of metal and plastic, more so when you consider the fact it can easily become airborne? Further accidents could also occur by vehicles colliding while attempting to avoid the bike and rider? And yes I do have a motorbike licence and a bike and have done so for over 20yrs, but I choose not to go around bragging about how quick it is as all that does is give motorcycling a bad reputation.[/p][/quote]For your information my husband competes in quarter of a mile sprints on the 1400 - that is how we know how fast it is - I think there is a class for 125's if you are interested and have the bottle LOL![/p][/quote]Yet again you’re proving to be an embarrassment to the mostly responsible and law-abiding motorcycling community. You just don’t know when to stop digging the massive hole you’re getting in to. Last week you were bragging how police cars couldn’t catch you because they were too slow !. My advice to you would be to take a look at your feedback and exit gracefully. Poole Pirate
  • Score: 23

1:41pm Thu 13 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude.
You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me!
Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me! BarrHumbug
  • Score: 17

1:46pm Thu 13 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

Mindvor wrote:
Sad to hear but unfortunately motorbike riders are very very vulnerable and the price of any kind of lapse of judgement, no matter how small or stupid, can be severe (to all involved).
However, lets not forget that the lure of the open road and the exhilaration it can bring is at least some of what biking is all about and its what will continue to bring new riders onto the road. The most we can hope for is that tragic events like this serve as a reminder, to new and old riders alike, that we are not immortal in our leather and fibreglass cocoons.

On a related note...is the comments section of an article about someone's untimely death really the place to be holding a p#ssing contest about the size of what's between you or your husbands legs? No, I thought not..it's comments like this that don't do bikers any favours, so please stop ;)
What he/she said
[quote][p][bold]Mindvor[/bold] wrote: Sad to hear but unfortunately motorbike riders are very very vulnerable and the price of any kind of lapse of judgement, no matter how small or stupid, can be severe (to all involved). However, lets not forget that the lure of the open road and the exhilaration it can bring is at least some of what biking is all about and its what will continue to bring new riders onto the road. The most we can hope for is that tragic events like this serve as a reminder, to new and old riders alike, that we are not immortal in our leather and fibreglass cocoons. On a related note...is the comments section of an article about someone's untimely death really the place to be holding a p#ssing contest about the size of what's between you or your husbands legs? No, I thought not..it's comments like this that don't do bikers any favours, so please stop ;)[/p][/quote]What he/she said BarrHumbug
  • Score: 3

2:25pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

we-shall-see wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
we-shall-see wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
willytee wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.
What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........
Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.
Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about!
He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.
I did not say that a car driver not using a wing mirror had anything to do with this accident but just commenting that a lot of accidents involving motorcyclists overtaking/filtering is due to incompetent motorists....... As I am a BIKER myself (not EX) I know this too well END OF!
I fail to see why being a current biker, as opposed to an ex biker has to do with it? I guess it just sums up your silly little "biker chick" mentality .... For the record, I was a biker (on both big bigs and trikes) for over 30 years between 1969 and 2006 and now I am a grandmother I drive a car so I can take my grandchildren with me - that is my choice - but it DOES NOT make my comments any less relevant - only to those like you who think you own the road and anyone else's opinion does not count :o//
Ah Tractors!!!
[quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]we-shall-see[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willytee[/bold] wrote: I wish bikers would learn by others' tragic mistakes, but the 'It'll never happen to me - I a good rider' attitude exists in abundance.[/p][/quote]What rubbish - on a motorbike at speed you only have a split second to decide on a manoeuvre and unfortunately he got it wrong and paid with his life - RIP Ivan........[/p][/quote]Your comment doesn't do anything to defend bike riders i'm afraid Suzi, suggesting that they all race around the roads "at speed" leaving them with only a split second to make a decision would suggest maybe they're travel too fast in the first place? You right about your last line though.[/p][/quote]Any overtaking manoeuvre on a motorbike at whatever speed is a risk usually due to motorists who do not know what a wing mirror is! Ivan was apparently travelling at approx 80 mph which is just over the speed limit - where did I say bike riders all race around the roads? Ivan made an error of judgement and paid with his life - no-one else was injured! I don't suppose motorcars drive at 80 mph? Do you have a motorbike licence? If not then you do not know what you are talking about![/p][/quote]He did indeed pay with his own life - but what you fail to realise is that the road he was on has a 60 mph limit - he was travelling at speed of 80mph - which is a third higher than it should have been for that road - not to mention the blind bend he was approaching. As an experienced rider he should have known how to behave on the road and as he had travelled it many times, he should also have know there was a blind bend approaching. He took a silly chance and paid for it - although the loved ones he left behind are paying more than he is because they are left to suffer the misery of his loss for years to come yet. This is a sad lesson for ALL bikers - no matter how many years you have been riding - do not become complacent about your driving skills and ability, or you too could be in this position. This must have been horrendous for all who witnessed it, quite apart from the family and friends who lost their loved one. As for your comments about car drivers not seeing bikers in the wing mirrors etc - that is entirely irrelevant to this situation. Yes some car/van drivers do not look in their mirrors or make allowances for bikers and as an ex biker myself I know this too well - but in this case the accident was NOT caused by any other vehicle. The bikers took a chance and lost. End of.[/p][/quote]I did not say that a car driver not using a wing mirror had anything to do with this accident but just commenting that a lot of accidents involving motorcyclists overtaking/filtering is due to incompetent motorists....... As I am a BIKER myself (not EX) I know this too well END OF![/p][/quote]I fail to see why being a current biker, as opposed to an ex biker has to do with it? I guess it just sums up your silly little "biker chick" mentality .... For the record, I was a biker (on both big bigs and trikes) for over 30 years between 1969 and 2006 and now I am a grandmother I drive a car so I can take my grandchildren with me - that is my choice - but it DOES NOT make my comments any less relevant - only to those like you who think you own the road and anyone else's opinion does not count :o//[/p][/quote]Ah Tractors!!! suzigirl
  • Score: -12

2:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

Mindvor wrote:
Sad to hear but unfortunately motorbike riders are very very vulnerable and the price of any kind of lapse of judgement, no matter how small or stupid, can be severe (to all involved). However, lets not forget that the lure of the open road and the exhilaration it can bring is at least some of what biking is all about and its what will continue to bring new riders onto the road. The most we can hope for is that tragic events like this serve as a reminder, to new and old riders alike, that we are not immortal in our leather and fibreglass cocoons. On a related note...is the comments section of an article about someone's untimely death really the place to be holding a p#ssing contest about the size of what's between you or your husbands legs? No, I thought not..it's comments like this that don't do bikers any favours, so please stop ;)
That's a bit personal LOL!
[quote][p][bold]Mindvor[/bold] wrote: Sad to hear but unfortunately motorbike riders are very very vulnerable and the price of any kind of lapse of judgement, no matter how small or stupid, can be severe (to all involved). However, lets not forget that the lure of the open road and the exhilaration it can bring is at least some of what biking is all about and its what will continue to bring new riders onto the road. The most we can hope for is that tragic events like this serve as a reminder, to new and old riders alike, that we are not immortal in our leather and fibreglass cocoons. On a related note...is the comments section of an article about someone's untimely death really the place to be holding a p#ssing contest about the size of what's between you or your husbands legs? No, I thought not..it's comments like this that don't do bikers any favours, so please stop ;)[/p][/quote]That's a bit personal LOL! suzigirl
  • Score: -13

2:29pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me!
Barr Humbug - your name says it all! Funnily enough I can guess what kind of "biker" you are!
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me![/p][/quote]Barr Humbug - your name says it all! Funnily enough I can guess what kind of "biker" you are! suzigirl
  • Score: -16

3:42pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Lord Spring says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude.
You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me!
A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me![/p][/quote]A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet Lord Spring
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

Lord Spring wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote: Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me!
A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet
and he said I was making myself look silly LOL pot kettle black.....
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me![/p][/quote]A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet[/p][/quote]and he said I was making myself look silly LOL pot kettle black..... suzigirl
  • Score: -20

4:07pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sc61 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
rayc wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?
Perhaps the witness meant that considering the speed and the approaching bend that the last thing he expected to happen was the overtake. Even the other motorcyclist said "he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake".

Picking the witness up on his statement will be no consolation to anybody.
He said without warning. Not 'the last thing I expected was'. 'Without warning' clearly implies he expected a warning that an overtaking manouvre was imminent.
Oh for pity's sake....it's a figure of speech, not to be taken literally. Substitute "all of a sudden" or some such phrase.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: I love the way the witness says the motorcyclist 'overtook without warning'. I don't recall the HIghway Code stating you need to seek permission of the vehicle infront to pass it?[/p][/quote]Perhaps the witness meant that considering the speed and the approaching bend that the last thing he expected to happen was the overtake. Even the other motorcyclist said "he couldn’t understand why he needed to overtake". Picking the witness up on his statement will be no consolation to anybody.[/p][/quote]He said without warning. Not 'the last thing I expected was'. 'Without warning' clearly implies he expected a warning that an overtaking manouvre was imminent.[/p][/quote]Oh for pity's sake....it's a figure of speech, not to be taken literally. Substitute "all of a sudden" or some such phrase. sc61
  • Score: 8

4:17pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Chris the plumber says...

suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote:
some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......
ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving
where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking...
And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......[/p][/quote]ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal. Chris the plumber
  • Score: 8

4:19pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Desperado says...

Now now children .
My thought go out to the family .
RIP.
Now now children . My thought go out to the family . RIP. Desperado
  • Score: 2

4:33pm Thu 13 Feb 14

SeafaringMan says...

For all the commenters here who are bandying about a speed of 80mph as thought it were an established fact, the only mention of this speed is by a passenger in a car that was overtaken. Hardly definitive.
For all the commenters here who are bandying about a speed of 80mph as thought it were an established fact, the only mention of this speed is by a passenger in a car that was overtaken. Hardly definitive. SeafaringMan
  • Score: 1

4:41pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Chris the plumber says...

SeafaringMan wrote:
For all the commenters here who are bandying about a speed of 80mph as thought it were an established fact, the only mention of this speed is by a passenger in a car that was overtaken. Hardly definitive.
ok point taken ..... it could have been 90 or higher from my observations of a lot of bikers.. specialy on tuesday evening in summer.
[quote][p][bold]SeafaringMan[/bold] wrote: For all the commenters here who are bandying about a speed of 80mph as thought it were an established fact, the only mention of this speed is by a passenger in a car that was overtaken. Hardly definitive.[/p][/quote]ok point taken ..... it could have been 90 or higher from my observations of a lot of bikers.. specialy on tuesday evening in summer. Chris the plumber
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Thu 13 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

Chris the plumber wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......
ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.
AND YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPECT TO IVAN'S FAMILY!
[quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......[/p][/quote]ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.[/p][/quote]AND YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPECT TO IVAN'S FAMILY! suzigirl
  • Score: -18

5:42pm Thu 13 Feb 14

BarrHumbug says...

Lord Spring wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude.
You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me!
A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet
OK fine a typhoon then FFS. Who are you, her husband?
[quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me![/p][/quote]A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet[/p][/quote]OK fine a typhoon then FFS. Who are you, her husband? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 7

5:55pm Thu 13 Feb 14

winton50 says...

Some of you people need to get a grip and show a bit of respect for the victim's family.

Having your personal slanging matches on here might make you feel good about yourself but may be causing extra grief for his completely innocent family and friends
Some of you people need to get a grip and show a bit of respect for the victim's family. Having your personal slanging matches on here might make you feel good about yourself but may be causing extra grief for his completely innocent family and friends winton50
  • Score: 6

7:39pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Chris the plumber says...

I am sure the family of any victim of a road death could be reading this.
the opinions offered on her are valid, the good, the bad and the ugly
I would like to suggest any comment on here will have already been thought
by the family and like all online content there is the option of the off button.
I am sure the family of any victim of a road death could be reading this. the opinions offered on her are valid, the good, the bad and the ugly I would like to suggest any comment on here will have already been thought by the family and like all online content there is the option of the off button. Chris the plumber
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Thu 13 Feb 14

winton50 says...

Chris the plumber wrote:
I am sure the family of any victim of a road death could be reading this.
the opinions offered on her are valid, the good, the bad and the ugly
I would like to suggest any comment on here will have already been thought
by the family and like all online content there is the option of the off button.
What an excellent way of justifying vile behaviour

Feel better now?
[quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: I am sure the family of any victim of a road death could be reading this. the opinions offered on her are valid, the good, the bad and the ugly I would like to suggest any comment on here will have already been thought by the family and like all online content there is the option of the off button.[/p][/quote]What an excellent way of justifying vile behaviour Feel better now? winton50
  • Score: -2

9:25pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Lord Spring says...

BarrHumbug wrote:
Lord Spring wrote:
BarrHumbug wrote:
Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude.
You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me!
A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet
OK fine a typhoon then FFS. Who are you, her husband?
Do you mean a Hawker Typhoon.
[quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Spring[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BarrHumbug[/bold] wrote: Suzigirl, just leave it. Your just making yourself look silly and typifying the bad elements that biking has with your "my husbands got more bottle than you" attitude. You don't even know me, you don't know my riding history or how fast or slow I choose to ride or whether i've got the bottle to pin a bike flat out in a straight line, but I know this, i've never piloted a plane before but i'll bet you I could sit in the cockpit of a hawk jet and hold the stick steady at over 700mph but that doesn't qualify me to tell the Red Arrow pilots they don't have any bottle, anymore than it qualifies you to say the same to me![/p][/quote]A Hawk jet at 700mph !!!!!!!! I think you would lose that bet[/p][/quote]OK fine a typhoon then FFS. Who are you, her husband?[/p][/quote]Do you mean a Hawker Typhoon. Lord Spring
  • Score: -1

9:52pm Thu 13 Feb 14

scrumpyjack says...

Chris the plumber wrote:
SeafaringMan wrote:
For all the commenters here who are bandying about a speed of 80mph as thought it were an established fact, the only mention of this speed is by a passenger in a car that was overtaken. Hardly definitive.
ok point taken ..... it could have been 90 or higher from my observations of a lot of bikers.. specialy on tuesday evening in summer.
Still being a dick then?

Always sad to hear of a life lost.
[quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SeafaringMan[/bold] wrote: For all the commenters here who are bandying about a speed of 80mph as thought it were an established fact, the only mention of this speed is by a passenger in a car that was overtaken. Hardly definitive.[/p][/quote]ok point taken ..... it could have been 90 or higher from my observations of a lot of bikers.. specialy on tuesday evening in summer.[/p][/quote]Still being a dick then? Always sad to hear of a life lost. scrumpyjack
  • Score: -1

9:56pm Thu 13 Feb 14

scrumpyjack says...

suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......
ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.
AND YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPECT TO IVAN'S FAMILY!
And you have?

And you had the gall to say this in capitals?

Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......[/p][/quote]ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.[/p][/quote]AND YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPECT TO IVAN'S FAMILY![/p][/quote]And you have? And you had the gall to say this in capitals? Oh dear. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 4

8:00am Fri 14 Feb 14

Anonytom says...

I'm part of Ivan's family and have been on his bike as pillion. He was a safe rider, I wouldn't have got on the bike otherwise.

He made a mistake, an error of judgement that he paid for. He was only human after all. How many people have done similar whether on a bike or in a car? I know I have once or twice.

He loved his family and we missed him very much and are grateful that no-one else was hurt.
I'm part of Ivan's family and have been on his bike as pillion. He was a safe rider, I wouldn't have got on the bike otherwise. He made a mistake, an error of judgement that he paid for. He was only human after all. How many people have done similar whether on a bike or in a car? I know I have once or twice. He loved his family and we missed him very much and are grateful that no-one else was hurt. Anonytom
  • Score: 6

8:44am Fri 14 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

scrumpyjack wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote:
suzigirl wrote:
Chris the plumber wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......
ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.
AND YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPECT TO IVAN'S FAMILY!
And you have? And you had the gall to say this in capitals? Oh dear.
I have made no disparaging remarks about Ivan just making my views known to some "rogue" commenters saying that he deserved to die! I will also not be bullied by anybody! I know what it is like to ride around the roads of Dorset - do you?
[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]I don't suppose you have ever made a mistake while cycling/driving - of course you haven't! Show some respect to Ivan's family.......[/p][/quote]ye i have made a mistake ,, but to drive at 80 mph in a 60 limit with big "SLOW" signs on the road is not a mistake it is wanton law breaking .. of the worst kind.. It about time we treated speeding like we do Drink Driving where it is not only law breaking but I need to become unsociable. and the public need to do something about it in the same way as a lot of driver are reported to the police if they suspect them of drinking... And you Suzi need to show some respect for the road using public.. to say 80 is a little over the speed limit is criminal.[/p][/quote]AND YOU NEED TO SHOW SOME RESPECT TO IVAN'S FAMILY![/p][/quote]And you have? And you had the gall to say this in capitals? Oh dear.[/p][/quote]I have made no disparaging remarks about Ivan just making my views known to some "rogue" commenters saying that he deserved to die! I will also not be bullied by anybody! I know what it is like to ride around the roads of Dorset - do you? suzigirl
  • Score: -10

8:52am Fri 14 Feb 14

suzigirl says...

Anonytom wrote:
I'm part of Ivan's family and have been on his bike as pillion. He was a safe rider, I wouldn't have got on the bike otherwise. He made a mistake, an error of judgement that he paid for. He was only human after all. How many people have done similar whether on a bike or in a car? I know I have once or twice. He loved his family and we missed him very much and are grateful that no-one else was hurt.
Well said! My thoughts are with you and Ivan's family and just ignore the vile comments that have been made about him. I am a regular at the bike nights and I might even have met Ivan! I know I should not react to the rubbish and hurtful comments and will try and keep my fingers away from the keyboard for the rest of the day!
[quote][p][bold]Anonytom[/bold] wrote: I'm part of Ivan's family and have been on his bike as pillion. He was a safe rider, I wouldn't have got on the bike otherwise. He made a mistake, an error of judgement that he paid for. He was only human after all. How many people have done similar whether on a bike or in a car? I know I have once or twice. He loved his family and we missed him very much and are grateful that no-one else was hurt.[/p][/quote]Well said! My thoughts are with you and Ivan's family and just ignore the vile comments that have been made about him. I am a regular at the bike nights and I might even have met Ivan! I know I should not react to the rubbish and hurtful comments and will try and keep my fingers away from the keyboard for the rest of the day! suzigirl
  • Score: -10

5:51pm Fri 14 Feb 14

sundaydriver says...

Just new the people that believe only motorcycles ever have crashes would be typing away madly on this one. Just as many if not more car drivers make mistakes and have/cause crashes and none do it deliberately - stones and glass houses people and of course condolences to his family.
Just new the people that believe only motorcycles ever have crashes would be typing away madly on this one. Just as many if not more car drivers make mistakes and have/cause crashes and none do it deliberately - stones and glass houses people and of course condolences to his family. sundaydriver
  • Score: 0

1:33pm Sat 15 Feb 14

ekimnoslen says...

Chris the plumber wrote:
some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist.
If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .
Sadly two wheels, motor of pedal powered, seems to mean that adherence to road regulations is unnecessary. On occasions this leads to accidents, injury or death.
Inevitable really!
[quote][p][bold]Chris the plumber[/bold] wrote: some motorcycle riders do think they are above the law and think little about other road user.. Lucky for us that it was a big white van, bad enough for the driver but it could have been a small car or cyclist. If you are a motor bike rider stick to the speed limit and if you don't know what it is buy a highway code .[/p][/quote]Sadly two wheels, motor of pedal powered, seems to mean that adherence to road regulations is unnecessary. On occasions this leads to accidents, injury or death. Inevitable really! ekimnoslen
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Sat 15 Feb 14

sundaydriver says...

Actually Bikers think 'more' about other road users to ensure less fatalities
Actually Bikers think 'more' about other road users to ensure less fatalities sundaydriver
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