Crime commissioner blasts police after A31 bike crash horror left hundreds of motorists stranded for hours

Crime commissioner blasts police after A31 bike crash horror left hundreds of motorists stranded for hours

Crime commissioner blasts police after A31 bike crash horror left hundreds of motorists stranded for hours

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“I WANT answers”.

Those are the words of Hampshire's police and crime commissioner, Simon Hayes, who is seeking urgent talks with the chief constable over the A31 fiasco that left stranded motorists fuming.

Mr Hayes accused the police of ignoring the personal welfare of drivers who were marooned in their cars for almost seven hours.

He also called for an investigation into ways of restoring gaps in the central reservation, enabling police to release traffic trapped in massive jams when a carriageway has to be closed after fatal accident.

Several cross-over points were shut years ago after a driver was killed - but the nightmare endured by hundreds of motorists on Wednesday night has sparked calls for them to be re-opened.

Mr Hayes, a former leader of New Forest District Council, said: “Tragically someone was killed and the accident had to be investigated thoroughly.

“I can understand why the road was closed but I also recognise that hundreds of drivers had their journeys disrupted for a number of hours and I'm concerned that their personal welfare was not considered at that time.

“I'll be challenging the chief constable on what could or should have been done to support people stuck in the jam and will be looking for answers.

“It would appear that no lessons were learned after the M27 had to be closed at Hedge End last year but we need to learn lessons this time.

“People were stuck on the A31 for several hours with no food or water and no access to toilets.

“Their personal welfare does not appear to have been considered. I don't know who could or should have addressed that but I'm concerned at the apparent lack of interest in the welfare of the public.”

Mr Hayes also criticised the lack of information given to commuters, many of whom texted their wives at home in the hope of finding out what was going on.

He said: “It would be unfair to expect police to give an exact time in terms of re-opening a road but we need to put some sort of mechanism in place to ensure that motorists know what's happening in situations like this, when they can't move for hours.”

Mr Hayes said experts should look at ways of providing drivers on the A31 with an escape route if a carriageway has to be closed.

“Removing some of the barriers to enable traffic to turn around would appear to be a common sense solution but I don't know if that would be possible. The grass on the central reservation might be too soft to drive over - it's something we need to look into.”

The accident and resulting chaos has fuelled the campaign for major improvements to the A31.

Mr Hayes added: “It's an extremely dangerous road for a number o0f reasons, including the fact that drivers come straight off a motorway on to a dual carriageway that is narrow.

“It's a road that needs an enormous amount of attention and re-engineering.”

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6:40am Fri 24 Jan 14

Cosmic Crusader says...

It used to be that a road would only be closed long enough as necessary for the medics to do their job and the scene to be cleared of debris. We now have the common situation where there is prolonged disruption whilst the police forensic teams carry out their investigation and search for evidence. Is this really effective in gaining an increase in successful criminal prosecutions following incidents or are we looking at another example of "political correctness" forced upon the emergency services by bureaucratic pen pushers?
It used to be that a road would only be closed long enough as necessary for the medics to do their job and the scene to be cleared of debris. We now have the common situation where there is prolonged disruption whilst the police forensic teams carry out their investigation and search for evidence. Is this really effective in gaining an increase in successful criminal prosecutions following incidents or are we looking at another example of "political correctness" forced upon the emergency services by bureaucratic pen pushers? Cosmic Crusader
  • Score: 60

6:49am Fri 24 Jan 14

wool525 says...

does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ? wool525
  • Score: -24

7:10am Fri 24 Jan 14

afcb-mark says...

I understand this was was a very unusual accident as it involved a horse but how many more deaths and serious injuries are there going to be on this road before something is done to make it safer for motorists.
I understand this was was a very unusual accident as it involved a horse but how many more deaths and serious injuries are there going to be on this road before something is done to make it safer for motorists. afcb-mark
  • Score: 14

7:26am Fri 24 Jan 14

Old Colonial says...

Mr Hayes, a former leader of New Forest District Council. So Mr PCC how much effort did you put in to making the road safer when you were playing that role?
Mr Hayes, a former leader of New Forest District Council. So Mr PCC how much effort did you put in to making the road safer when you were playing that role? Old Colonial
  • Score: 43

7:58am Fri 24 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch
ildren etc etc.
I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.
[quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch ildren etc etc. I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long. BIGTONE
  • Score: 29

8:11am Fri 24 Jan 14

David_Ross says...

Congratulations! Just what I hoped PCCs would start doing and just what they are there for
Congratulations! Just what I hoped PCCs would start doing and just what they are there for David_Ross
  • Score: 24

8:16am Fri 24 Jan 14

MCAME1989 says...

If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too... MCAME1989
  • Score: 36

8:22am Fri 24 Jan 14

yourbard says...

BIGTONE wrote:
wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch

ildren etc etc.
I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.
I partly agree with Big Tone here, although the logistics of getting a mobile snack bar and toilets to a big accident scene would be a problem.
What I'd like to suggest is, once the traffic police have made the site secure by bringing traffic to a halt to ensure the ambulance and fire crews reach the scene as quickly as possible, they walk back through the traffic at regular intervals explaining the situation and checking if there is anyone needing attention.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch ildren etc etc. I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.[/p][/quote]I partly agree with Big Tone here, although the logistics of getting a mobile snack bar and toilets to a big accident scene would be a problem. What I'd like to suggest is, once the traffic police have made the site secure by bringing traffic to a halt to ensure the ambulance and fire crews reach the scene as quickly as possible, they walk back through the traffic at regular intervals explaining the situation and checking if there is anyone needing attention. yourbard
  • Score: 15

8:41am Fri 24 Jan 14

TheDistrict says...

Every time the Police and Emergency Services do their job to the full, they are always criticised by those who have no patients. No one brings in and blames the Highways Commission and others involved in closing and opening carriage ways and motorways. The PCC now steps in, on an issue he should have addressed when part of the NFDC as a Councillor. Typical Councillor, blame it on some one else. If the Police had authorised the opening of the barriers and set up a contra flow, it would have taken a similar amount of time to get it organised. Highway Maintainers bringing out cutting equipment, etc. Well done to the Emergency services and to the Police. They stopped the traffic to try and rescue the horse, had the motor cyclists stopped with the traffic, would the follow on accident been avoided. Justy a thought.
Every time the Police and Emergency Services do their job to the full, they are always criticised by those who have no patients. No one brings in and blames the Highways Commission and others involved in closing and opening carriage ways and motorways. The PCC now steps in, on an issue he should have addressed when part of the NFDC as a Councillor. Typical Councillor, blame it on some one else. If the Police had authorised the opening of the barriers and set up a contra flow, it would have taken a similar amount of time to get it organised. Highway Maintainers bringing out cutting equipment, etc. Well done to the Emergency services and to the Police. They stopped the traffic to try and rescue the horse, had the motor cyclists stopped with the traffic, would the follow on accident been avoided. Justy a thought. TheDistrict
  • Score: 15

8:43am Fri 24 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

yourbard wrote:
BIGTONE wrote:
wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch


ildren etc etc.
I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.
I partly agree with Big Tone here, although the logistics of getting a mobile snack bar and toilets to a big accident scene would be a problem.
What I'd like to suggest is, once the traffic police have made the site secure by bringing traffic to a halt to ensure the ambulance and fire crews reach the scene as quickly as possible, they walk back through the traffic at regular intervals explaining the situation and checking if there is anyone needing attention.
You have answered your question..".although the logistics of getting a mobile snack bar and toilets to a big accident scene would be a problem"
once the traffic police have made the site secure by bringing traffic to a halt to ensure the ambulance and fire crews reach the scene as quickly as possible.....

If they can get the emergency vehicles through they can get a low loader and a snack bar through.

If the police walk back at regular intervals what do they do if several people needed the toilet?
[quote][p][bold]yourbard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch ildren etc etc. I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.[/p][/quote]I partly agree with Big Tone here, although the logistics of getting a mobile snack bar and toilets to a big accident scene would be a problem. What I'd like to suggest is, once the traffic police have made the site secure by bringing traffic to a halt to ensure the ambulance and fire crews reach the scene as quickly as possible, they walk back through the traffic at regular intervals explaining the situation and checking if there is anyone needing attention.[/p][/quote]You have answered your question..".although the logistics of getting a mobile snack bar and toilets to a big accident scene would be a problem" once the traffic police have made the site secure by bringing traffic to a halt to ensure the ambulance and fire crews reach the scene as quickly as possible..... If they can get the emergency vehicles through they can get a low loader and a snack bar through. If the police walk back at regular intervals what do they do if several people needed the toilet? BIGTONE
  • Score: -7

8:53am Fri 24 Jan 14

smhinto says...

Typical of local authorities who could not organise a F..t in their own backsides.
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They should be placed under house arrest when important desicions need to be made.
Typical of local authorities who could not organise a F..t in their own backsides. . They should be placed under house arrest when important desicions need to be made. smhinto
  • Score: -15

8:56am Fri 24 Jan 14

speedy231278 says...

The solution on a dual carriageway seems pretty simple. When it is known that there is a major incident requiring the road to be kept closed for many hours such as this, traffic travelling on the side affected should be diverted off at the most sensible location rearward of the scene to provide a sensible alternative route. Any entrances to the dual carriageway between that point and the accident to be shut, at which point the cars trapped behind the accident can be turned without the risk of meeting oncoming traffic. It is not unreasonable to expect to delay people for an hour or two. However, being stuck for what is reported at four, five, six or more hours in the dark, with little or no information is an absolute joke. Serious accidents need investigation, however it is utterly ridiculous that people should be caught up in the aftermath for so long. It is bad enough that someone was killed, but what if that was added to by someone being taken ill during the resulting jam, or someone with a medically controlled illness had run out of medication? There are an awful lot of lessons to be learned. Why, for example, were the crash barriers completely closed in certain locations 'for safety', when they could have been made solid, yet with removable sections to allow traffic to be turned in exceptional circumstances such as this?
The solution on a dual carriageway seems pretty simple. When it is known that there is a major incident requiring the road to be kept closed for many hours such as this, traffic travelling on the side affected should be diverted off at the most sensible location rearward of the scene to provide a sensible alternative route. Any entrances to the dual carriageway between that point and the accident to be shut, at which point the cars trapped behind the accident can be turned without the risk of meeting oncoming traffic. It is not unreasonable to expect to delay people for an hour or two. However, being stuck for what is reported at four, five, six or more hours in the dark, with little or no information is an absolute joke. Serious accidents need investigation, however it is utterly ridiculous that people should be caught up in the aftermath for so long. It is bad enough that someone was killed, but what if that was added to by someone being taken ill during the resulting jam, or someone with a medically controlled illness had run out of medication? There are an awful lot of lessons to be learned. Why, for example, were the crash barriers completely closed in certain locations 'for safety', when they could have been made solid, yet with removable sections to allow traffic to be turned in exceptional circumstances such as this? speedy231278
  • Score: 43

9:04am Fri 24 Jan 14

rayc says...

"Mr Hayes accused the police of ignoring the personal welfare of drivers who were marooned in their cars for almost seven hours."
This is what I wrote on another topic of this accident. Mr Hayes should reflect on what he would have done if he had been a Police Officer on the scene. Events unfold and it is unrealistic to talk of mobile toilets and burger bars in early stages of what initially could be a short hold up.

"I have sympathy for the Police Officers who attended. It must have been very difficult in the dark with hundreds of car lights to dazzle and reports of a horse on the carriageway. They were dammed if they shut the whole road until it was either captured or left the road and now will be damned for allowing the traffic to move with caution where it appears this tragedy took place.
Not everything in life is black and white and there does not have to be somebody to blame in every incident that happens. It is easy to write this on a keyboard in a nice warm room and it would have been much harder to control events out on the road yesterday evening."
"Mr Hayes accused the police of ignoring the personal welfare of drivers who were marooned in their cars for almost seven hours." This is what I wrote on another topic of this accident. Mr Hayes should reflect on what he would have done if he had been a Police Officer on the scene. Events unfold and it is unrealistic to talk of mobile toilets and burger bars in early stages of what initially could be a short hold up. "I have sympathy for the Police Officers who attended. It must have been very difficult in the dark with hundreds of car lights to dazzle and reports of a horse on the carriageway. They were dammed if they shut the whole road until it was either captured or left the road and now will be damned for allowing the traffic to move with caution where it appears this tragedy took place. Not everything in life is black and white and there does not have to be somebody to blame in every incident that happens. It is easy to write this on a keyboard in a nice warm room and it would have been much harder to control events out on the road yesterday evening." rayc
  • Score: 26

9:07am Fri 24 Jan 14

frarog says...

Cosmic Crusader wrote:
It used to be that a road would only be closed long enough as necessary for the medics to do their job and the scene to be cleared of debris. We now have the common situation where there is prolonged disruption whilst the police forensic teams carry out their investigation and search for evidence. Is this really effective in gaining an increase in successful criminal prosecutions following incidents or are we looking at another example of "political correctness" forced upon the emergency services by bureaucratic pen pushers?
Quite - one European country (and I cannot remember which) has rules where the local authorities are fined if a road is not re-opened within 1 hour. Accidents are accidents and why should thousands of people and businesses suffer? It could cost them a fortune!
[quote][p][bold]Cosmic Crusader[/bold] wrote: It used to be that a road would only be closed long enough as necessary for the medics to do their job and the scene to be cleared of debris. We now have the common situation where there is prolonged disruption whilst the police forensic teams carry out their investigation and search for evidence. Is this really effective in gaining an increase in successful criminal prosecutions following incidents or are we looking at another example of "political correctness" forced upon the emergency services by bureaucratic pen pushers?[/p][/quote]Quite - one European country (and I cannot remember which) has rules where the local authorities are fined if a road is not re-opened within 1 hour. Accidents are accidents and why should thousands of people and businesses suffer? It could cost them a fortune! frarog
  • Score: 6

9:13am Fri 24 Jan 14

budgetvelo says...

Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did
Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did budgetvelo
  • Score: 49

9:18am Fri 24 Jan 14

Hickery says...

"Mr Hayes also criticised the lack of information given to commuters, many of whom texted their wives at home in the hope of finding out what was going on."

This reads as though the only type of people stuck in the traffic were married, working men! Thought we were back in the 60s for a moment there!
"Mr Hayes also criticised the lack of information given to commuters, many of whom texted their wives at home in the hope of finding out what was going on." This reads as though the only type of people stuck in the traffic were married, working men! Thought we were back in the 60s for a moment there! Hickery
  • Score: 21

9:19am Fri 24 Jan 14

PokesdownMark says...

wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
That's not really a helpful way to think about it.

There are questions that are sensible to answer because they can help in future. Were the radio traffic announcements good enough - or has the way commercial stations have been merged into nationally organised bodies compromised their traffic news services? Could a helicopter with infrared have been used to quickly locate the horse - or give better assurance it was no longer a danger? Was information processed quickly enough by the police and highways agencies control centers? Do the control centres exchange information well enough? That sort of thing.

It is good to see Simon Hayes pick these matter up because it is exactly how his role can add value and improve the service in future.
[quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]That's not really a helpful way to think about it. There are questions that are sensible to answer because they can help in future. Were the radio traffic announcements good enough - or has the way commercial stations have been merged into nationally organised bodies compromised their traffic news services? Could a helicopter with infrared have been used to quickly locate the horse - or give better assurance it was no longer a danger? Was information processed quickly enough by the police and highways agencies control centers? Do the control centres exchange information well enough? That sort of thing. It is good to see Simon Hayes pick these matter up because it is exactly how his role can add value and improve the service in future. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 19

9:26am Fri 24 Jan 14

uberbloke says...

>Mr Hayes also criticised the lack of information given to commuters, many of whom texted their wives at home in the hope of finding out what was going on.

That's right, well done those little women, dutifully waiting at home for their husbands... cars are far to big and expensive and important to allow females in the driving seat and we all know that all commuters belong to the most important gender.
>Mr Hayes also criticised the lack of information given to commuters, many of whom texted their wives at home in the hope of finding out what was going on. That's right, well done those little women, dutifully waiting at home for their husbands... cars are far to big and expensive and important to allow females in the driving seat and we all know that all commuters belong to the most important gender. uberbloke
  • Score: 1

9:27am Fri 24 Jan 14

budgetvelo says...

Would you like cheese on your burger and chips? Don't mind that fella lying down over there he's just fighting for his life
Would you like cheese on your burger and chips? Don't mind that fella lying down over there he's just fighting for his life budgetvelo
  • Score: 13

9:34am Fri 24 Jan 14

Rally says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I understand this was was a very unusual accident as it involved a horse but how many more deaths and serious injuries are there going to be on this road before something is done to make it safer for motorists.
As with every road, this road itself is not dangerous; it is the comparatively small number of careless, reckless, dangerous and incompetent drivers that use it that make it so.
Witness the over-whelming majority of motorists who use frequently this stretch of highway in all kinds of conditions without causing any problems.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I understand this was was a very unusual accident as it involved a horse but how many more deaths and serious injuries are there going to be on this road before something is done to make it safer for motorists.[/p][/quote]As with every road, this road itself is not dangerous; it is the comparatively small number of careless, reckless, dangerous and incompetent drivers that use it that make it so. Witness the over-whelming majority of motorists who use frequently this stretch of highway in all kinds of conditions without causing any problems. Rally
  • Score: 29

9:36am Fri 24 Jan 14

rayc says...

PokesdownMark wrote:
wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
That's not really a helpful way to think about it.

There are questions that are sensible to answer because they can help in future. Were the radio traffic announcements good enough - or has the way commercial stations have been merged into nationally organised bodies compromised their traffic news services? Could a helicopter with infrared have been used to quickly locate the horse - or give better assurance it was no longer a danger? Was information processed quickly enough by the police and highways agencies control centers? Do the control centres exchange information well enough? That sort of thing.

It is good to see Simon Hayes pick these matter up because it is exactly how his role can add value and improve the service in future.
Then if the headline "Crime commissioner blasts police after A31 bike crash horror left hundreds of motorists stranded for hours" is true then it is hardly the way to go about it.
If there are lessons to be learnt and recommendations to be made then emotive headlines and Mr Hayes reported "I want answers" is not the way to go about it.
The Echo should refrain from any more of these emotive headlines and report facts as and when they are verified.
[quote][p][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]That's not really a helpful way to think about it. There are questions that are sensible to answer because they can help in future. Were the radio traffic announcements good enough - or has the way commercial stations have been merged into nationally organised bodies compromised their traffic news services? Could a helicopter with infrared have been used to quickly locate the horse - or give better assurance it was no longer a danger? Was information processed quickly enough by the police and highways agencies control centers? Do the control centres exchange information well enough? That sort of thing. It is good to see Simon Hayes pick these matter up because it is exactly how his role can add value and improve the service in future.[/p][/quote]Then if the headline "Crime commissioner blasts police after A31 bike crash horror left hundreds of motorists stranded for hours" is true then it is hardly the way to go about it. If there are lessons to be learnt and recommendations to be made then emotive headlines and Mr Hayes reported "I want answers" is not the way to go about it. The Echo should refrain from any more of these emotive headlines and report facts as and when they are verified. rayc
  • Score: 0

9:36am Fri 24 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

'many commuters texted their wives' - so most of the people stuck were married men? What a strange thing to say!!
'many commuters texted their wives' - so most of the people stuck were married men? What a strange thing to say!! Dorset Outsider
  • Score: 20

9:52am Fri 24 Jan 14

Dorset Outsider says...

budgetvelo wrote:
Would you like cheese on your burger and chips? Don't mind that fella lying down over there he's just fighting for his life
But why should they get priority when eastenders starts on tv in 20mins and i have been,at work all day? - now that put things into perspective. The highways agency are more to blame than the police, surely?
[quote][p][bold]budgetvelo[/bold] wrote: Would you like cheese on your burger and chips? Don't mind that fella lying down over there he's just fighting for his life[/p][/quote]But why should they get priority when eastenders starts on tv in 20mins and i have been,at work all day? - now that put things into perspective. The highways agency are more to blame than the police, surely? Dorset Outsider
  • Score: 4

9:58am Fri 24 Jan 14

saynomore says...

From the reports it sounds like the traffic was stopped as the horse was in the road then the two motorcyclists drove past the stationary traffic and hit the horse,not sure if that is right it is a bit confusing,still does not explain why the road was not opened after such a long time.Another sad death of a motorcyclist it is so dangerous on a bike these days.
From the reports it sounds like the traffic was stopped as the horse was in the road then the two motorcyclists drove past the stationary traffic and hit the horse,not sure if that is right it is a bit confusing,still does not explain why the road was not opened after such a long time.Another sad death of a motorcyclist it is so dangerous on a bike these days. saynomore
  • Score: 4

9:59am Fri 24 Jan 14

Branksome snail says...

I understand why their would be some long closures, however in this instance the poor chaps had been taken away (and the sad fatality happened in hospital, not at the road) and no body is going to charge the horse with a criminal activity (and that had also sadly died). Most of the story would unfold from eye witnesses, so why did everyone else have to stay for seven hours?! I was one of them by the way. I slowed for the initial escaped horse traffic, just past Emery Down. That was at 5:30ish. I didnt move again until about 9. Incedentaly, of the person on here ranting about dangerous U turns, and who wasnt even their, nobody did that. The road was stationary, and it was all under police escort.

The problem with the A31 (really really more so with the A338 from Ringwood to bmth) is the marking and the lighting. The A31 is slightly better. More often than not their are NO outside lane white lines. Usually no inside white lines, and the cats eyes are non existent. This is really really dengerous on the A338. The road is not straight and slowly drifts left and right. It is VERY easy to over correct oneself. Most people blame speed for everything. The councils or highways agency just blame the government for not solving their problem for them, by asking them to reduce speed limits for them. However the lines and cats eyes and general risk avoidance are not the governments responsibility. Use the A338 or A31 at 6:30 in the morning or 7pm at night, in the dark, bit of a rain or spray, and just see if you can clearly see the edge of the road. I know how hard it is. I use it every day.
I understand why their would be some long closures, however in this instance the poor chaps had been taken away (and the sad fatality happened in hospital, not at the road) and no body is going to charge the horse with a criminal activity (and that had also sadly died). Most of the story would unfold from eye witnesses, so why did everyone else have to stay for seven hours?! I was one of them by the way. I slowed for the initial escaped horse traffic, just past Emery Down. That was at 5:30ish. I didnt move again until about 9. Incedentaly, of the person on here ranting about dangerous U turns, and who wasnt even their, nobody did that. The road was stationary, and it was all under police escort. The problem with the A31 (really really more so with the A338 from Ringwood to bmth) is the marking and the lighting. The A31 is slightly better. More often than not their are NO outside lane white lines. Usually no inside white lines, and the cats eyes are non existent. This is really really dengerous on the A338. The road is not straight and slowly drifts left and right. It is VERY easy to over correct oneself. Most people blame speed for everything. The councils or highways agency just blame the government for not solving their problem for them, by asking them to reduce speed limits for them. However the lines and cats eyes and general risk avoidance are not the governments responsibility. Use the A338 or A31 at 6:30 in the morning or 7pm at night, in the dark, bit of a rain or spray, and just see if you can clearly see the edge of the road. I know how hard it is. I use it every day. Branksome snail
  • Score: 22

10:10am Fri 24 Jan 14

rayc says...

saynomore wrote:
From the reports it sounds like the traffic was stopped as the horse was in the road then the two motorcyclists drove past the stationary traffic and hit the horse,not sure if that is right it is a bit confusing,still does not explain why the road was not opened after such a long time.Another sad death of a motorcyclist it is so dangerous on a bike these days.
It is reported that the Police initially stopped all traffic and then let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution. It was in this phase that the motorcyclists collided with the horse. it is this aspect of the Police handling of the incident that has been refereed to the IPCC.
[quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: From the reports it sounds like the traffic was stopped as the horse was in the road then the two motorcyclists drove past the stationary traffic and hit the horse,not sure if that is right it is a bit confusing,still does not explain why the road was not opened after such a long time.Another sad death of a motorcyclist it is so dangerous on a bike these days.[/p][/quote]It is reported that the Police initially stopped all traffic and then let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution. It was in this phase that the motorcyclists collided with the horse. it is this aspect of the Police handling of the incident that has been refereed to the IPCC. rayc
  • Score: 16

10:14am Fri 24 Jan 14

News Fanatic says...

afcb-mark wrote:
I understand this was was a very unusual accident as it involved a horse but how many more deaths and serious injuries are there going to be on this road before something is done to make it safer for motorists.
As someone who has used this road many times, I think it is perfectly safe. What is dangerous are the minority of drivers who tailgate when going down Poulner Hill. They have driven at high speed for many miles and are not aware of the need to slow down there..

Also, the direction signs in the on the Ringwood flyover and slightly beyond it are poor, resulting in dangerous lane changes at the last minute. I understand that the signs are due to be improved soon.
[quote][p][bold]afcb-mark[/bold] wrote: I understand this was was a very unusual accident as it involved a horse but how many more deaths and serious injuries are there going to be on this road before something is done to make it safer for motorists.[/p][/quote]As someone who has used this road many times, I think it is perfectly safe. What is dangerous are the minority of drivers who tailgate when going down Poulner Hill. They have driven at high speed for many miles and are not aware of the need to slow down there.. Also, the direction signs in the on the Ringwood flyover and slightly beyond it are poor, resulting in dangerous lane changes at the last minute. I understand that the signs are due to be improved soon. News Fanatic
  • Score: 11

10:15am Fri 24 Jan 14

madras says...

Firstly, my sincere condolences to those affected by this accident

But why don't police simply supervise people turning round from the back of the queue to leave at the next exit back?
Firstly, my sincere condolences to those affected by this accident But why don't police simply supervise people turning round from the back of the queue to leave at the next exit back? madras
  • Score: 10

10:19am Fri 24 Jan 14

Alantrom says...

Deepest sympathy for the friends and relatives of the poor chap who died and hope the other chap recovers OK.
That said, Iknow i have said it before,and no doubt will say it again, roads are not dangerous. Some are difficult and therfore rely on drivers to exercise greater care and this is where it goes wrong. There are too many drivers who think they own the road and that they must be in the right.
In this sad case it seems that a stray animal caused an initial hold up. This poor creature, probably running amok due to fear, was then tragically in collision with the biker. This could happen on any road, anywhere, if an animal is on the road. This is why the A31 and the A35 were fenced to reduce this risk.
Thought - was this a forest pony and was the gate left open at the cattle grid at the Burley turning, or a horse from one of the fields by the service station?
Deepest sympathy for the friends and relatives of the poor chap who died and hope the other chap recovers OK. That said, Iknow i have said it before,and no doubt will say it again, roads are not dangerous. Some are difficult and therfore rely on drivers to exercise greater care and this is where it goes wrong. There are too many drivers who think they own the road and that they must be in the right. In this sad case it seems that a stray animal caused an initial hold up. This poor creature, probably running amok due to fear, was then tragically in collision with the biker. This could happen on any road, anywhere, if an animal is on the road. This is why the A31 and the A35 were fenced to reduce this risk. Thought - was this a forest pony and was the gate left open at the cattle grid at the Burley turning, or a horse from one of the fields by the service station? Alantrom
  • Score: 10

10:21am Fri 24 Jan 14

DiggerRuss says...

i recall the police raving about the new technology they have for providing a complete laser scan of an accident site. they specifically stated how much it would speed up the process of opening roads in situations such as this.

in fact here is the link as published in the echo http://www.dorsetech
o.co.uk/news/9446887
.print/

are they not using their new toys?
i recall the police raving about the new technology they have for providing a complete laser scan of an accident site. they specifically stated how much it would speed up the process of opening roads in situations such as this. in fact here is the link as published in the echo http://www.dorsetech o.co.uk/news/9446887 .print/ are they not using their new toys? DiggerRuss
  • Score: 8

10:25am Fri 24 Jan 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

budgetvelo wrote:
Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did
Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.
[quote][p][bold]budgetvelo[/bold] wrote: Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did[/p][/quote]Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care. Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: -8

10:27am Fri 24 Jan 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

As can't edit on this site, remove the word 'it' from last post
As can't edit on this site, remove the word 'it' from last post Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 0

10:29am Fri 24 Jan 14

markymark3 says...

What this PCC and most members of the public don't realise is that when the Police or anyone else closes a road, after 20 minutes responsibility for the road closure, diversions, sorting jams out, etc, rests with the local authority, who have the equipment, signs, access to matrix boards etc, but it rarely happens.
As this PCC used to be a councillor, then he should know that, and if he wants to challenge somebody, he needs to look in the mirror.
What this PCC and most members of the public don't realise is that when the Police or anyone else closes a road, after 20 minutes responsibility for the road closure, diversions, sorting jams out, etc, rests with the local authority, who have the equipment, signs, access to matrix boards etc, but it rarely happens. As this PCC used to be a councillor, then he should know that, and if he wants to challenge somebody, he needs to look in the mirror. markymark3
  • Score: 11

10:37am Fri 24 Jan 14

JemBmth says...

wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
It is sad that a person was killed and I feel for the family. However, it does not call for the rest of us, not involved, to suffer. I suspect some people had young children in their cars or had to get home to them. It is the fault of the authorities, nobody else's. There must be countless reasons why people did not want to be sitting in their cars for hours without basic necessities, food, water, prescription pills, portaloos etc.
[quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]It is sad that a person was killed and I feel for the family. However, it does not call for the rest of us, not involved, to suffer. I suspect some people had young children in their cars or had to get home to them. It is the fault of the authorities, nobody else's. There must be countless reasons why people did not want to be sitting in their cars for hours without basic necessities, food, water, prescription pills, portaloos etc. JemBmth
  • Score: 3

10:44am Fri 24 Jan 14

Telscombe Cliffy says...

Perhaps Police control of the A31 section through the forest should be under the control of Dorset police. I think there is a headquarters in Ferndown, Nearer than Winchester where I assume the control for all this happens from now? How about a special patrol /response unit based near Ringwood to just look after the road from Ferndown to Cadnam only? At the end of the day, I assume some officers in a control room somewhere made the overall decisions about this incident, not the police at the scene? Assume the buck stops with the high ranking officer who was in charge that evening.(In Winchester/Southampt
on or on the scene?)
Perhaps Police control of the A31 section through the forest should be under the control of Dorset police. I think there is a headquarters in Ferndown, Nearer than Winchester where I assume the control for all this happens from now? How about a special patrol /response unit based near Ringwood to just look after the road from Ferndown to Cadnam only? At the end of the day, I assume some officers in a control room somewhere made the overall decisions about this incident, not the police at the scene? Assume the buck stops with the high ranking officer who was in charge that evening.(In Winchester/Southampt on or on the scene?) Telscombe Cliffy
  • Score: 4

10:45am Fri 24 Jan 14

High Treason says...

Stop moaning. At least you got home safe to your families, 2 men did not and the accident will live with the families for years to come.
Stop moaning. At least you got home safe to your families, 2 men did not and the accident will live with the families for years to come. High Treason
  • Score: 6

10:46am Fri 24 Jan 14

Wackerone says...

rayc wrote:
saynomore wrote:
From the reports it sounds like the traffic was stopped as the horse was in the road then the two motorcyclists drove past the stationary traffic and hit the horse,not sure if that is right it is a bit confusing,still does not explain why the road was not opened after such a long time.Another sad death of a motorcyclist it is so dangerous on a bike these days.
It is reported that the Police initially stopped all traffic and then let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution. It was in this phase that the motorcyclists collided with the horse. it is this aspect of the Police handling of the incident that has been refereed to the IPCC.
Proceeding with caution to me would mean to ride at a sensible speed whereby you could stop to avoid any obstruction that was highly probable to be in the road. In this case, sadly, not a lot of notice was taken. When the police shut the roads it is wrong, when they try and use a bit of common sense as in this case, they are also wrong. They cannot win.
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saynomore[/bold] wrote: From the reports it sounds like the traffic was stopped as the horse was in the road then the two motorcyclists drove past the stationary traffic and hit the horse,not sure if that is right it is a bit confusing,still does not explain why the road was not opened after such a long time.Another sad death of a motorcyclist it is so dangerous on a bike these days.[/p][/quote]It is reported that the Police initially stopped all traffic and then let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution. It was in this phase that the motorcyclists collided with the horse. it is this aspect of the Police handling of the incident that has been refereed to the IPCC.[/p][/quote]Proceeding with caution to me would mean to ride at a sensible speed whereby you could stop to avoid any obstruction that was highly probable to be in the road. In this case, sadly, not a lot of notice was taken. When the police shut the roads it is wrong, when they try and use a bit of common sense as in this case, they are also wrong. They cannot win. Wackerone
  • Score: 12

10:50am Fri 24 Jan 14

MCAME1989 says...

If the police had made the road safe before and not let drivers go through knowing there was an animal on the road, then it would never had happened!
If the police had made the road safe before and not let drivers go through knowing there was an animal on the road, then it would never had happened! MCAME1989
  • Score: -17

11:02am Fri 24 Jan 14

rayc says...

MCAME1989 wrote:
If the police had made the road safe before and not let drivers go through knowing there was an animal on the road, then it would never had happened!
Perhaps then the road would not have been reopened until a daylight search had taken place the next day. There are plenty of places for a horse to remain unseen in the dark.
[quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If the police had made the road safe before and not let drivers go through knowing there was an animal on the road, then it would never had happened![/p][/quote]Perhaps then the road would not have been reopened until a daylight search had taken place the next day. There are plenty of places for a horse to remain unseen in the dark. rayc
  • Score: 5

11:14am Fri 24 Jan 14

seakayaker says...

9am jury's in full swing then.
9am jury's in full swing then. seakayaker
  • Score: 6

11:23am Fri 24 Jan 14

sonja6920 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch

ildren etc etc.
I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.
And at a time when Police numbers are at their lowest and still cuts being made who would fund this?!
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch ildren etc etc. I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.[/p][/quote]And at a time when Police numbers are at their lowest and still cuts being made who would fund this?! sonja6920
  • Score: 4

11:31am Fri 24 Jan 14

sonja6920 says...

BIGTONE wrote:
wool525 wrote:
does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?
Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch

ildren etc etc.
I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.
Really?? At a time when police numbers have been cut to their lowest ever, who would staff and fund this?! This was a tragic accident not a tourist attraction!! I'm sure the police did the best they could and their main focus were saving the lives of the people involved not the people sat in their warm cars in the queue. In hindsight I'm sure things could have been done differently, but slating our police is not going to help.

My heart goes out to the family and friends of the bikers involved.
[quote][p][bold]BIGTONE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wool525[/bold] wrote: does it really mater how long you're sat in traffic when a person has died and another injured ?[/p][/quote]Yes it does. How many people that were stuck needed the toilet after 6 hours? Not to mention medication such as diabetes injections,babies,ch ildren etc etc. I think the Police of any authority should have on standby, porta loo's,mobile snack bar and welfare liaison officers when the road is shut for that long.[/p][/quote]Really?? At a time when police numbers have been cut to their lowest ever, who would staff and fund this?! This was a tragic accident not a tourist attraction!! I'm sure the police did the best they could and their main focus were saving the lives of the people involved not the people sat in their warm cars in the queue. In hindsight I'm sure things could have been done differently, but slating our police is not going to help. My heart goes out to the family and friends of the bikers involved. sonja6920
  • Score: 7

11:40am Fri 24 Jan 14

Lucy Lastick says...

MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
[quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it? Lucy Lastick
  • Score: 1

11:42am Fri 24 Jan 14

Hessenford says...

Lucy Lastick wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
Course it is, its not a motorway.
[quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?[/p][/quote]Course it is, its not a motorway. Hessenford
  • Score: -4

11:42am Fri 24 Jan 14

Lucy Lastick says...

Lucy Lastick wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
Sorry, 'carriageway'.
[quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?[/p][/quote]Sorry, 'carriageway'. Lucy Lastick
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Fri 24 Jan 14

mikeymagic says...

Lucy Lastick wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
Sorry, 'carriageway'.
What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you!
[quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?[/p][/quote]Sorry, 'carriageway'.[/p][/quote]What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you! mikeymagic
  • Score: -4

12:28pm Fri 24 Jan 14

nospinnaker says...

The suggestion that the police " let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution" wasn't the experience of my wife who was actively looking for similar warnings when she left the head of the first queue.

The police cars parked up on the left had their signs reading 'Keep Right' which was all anyone could do anyway because the bollards directed the traffic into the right hand lane. Then nothing, just a clear road.

No warnings. No advice. She drove for a very short time until the next hold-up, which was the tragic accident itself. She was a few cars back from the scene itself.

RIP to the poor motorcyclist who lost his life, thoughts are with your family and best wishes for a speedy and complete to the other motorcyclist.
The suggestion that the police " let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution" wasn't the experience of my wife who was actively looking for similar warnings when she left the head of the first queue. The police cars parked up on the left had their signs reading 'Keep Right' which was all anyone could do anyway because the bollards directed the traffic into the right hand lane. Then nothing, just a clear road. No warnings. No advice. She drove for a very short time until the next hold-up, which was the tragic accident itself. She was a few cars back from the scene itself. RIP to the poor motorcyclist who lost his life, thoughts are with your family and best wishes for a speedy and complete to the other motorcyclist. nospinnaker
  • Score: 4

12:49pm Fri 24 Jan 14

rayc says...

nospinnaker wrote:
The suggestion that the police " let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution" wasn't the experience of my wife who was actively looking for similar warnings when she left the head of the first queue.

The police cars parked up on the left had their signs reading 'Keep Right' which was all anyone could do anyway because the bollards directed the traffic into the right hand lane. Then nothing, just a clear road.

No warnings. No advice. She drove for a very short time until the next hold-up, which was the tragic accident itself. She was a few cars back from the scene itself.

RIP to the poor motorcyclist who lost his life, thoughts are with your family and best wishes for a speedy and complete to the other motorcyclist.
Perhaps your wife could pass her experience to the IPCC? The more information they get from people involved the better.
[quote][p][bold]nospinnaker[/bold] wrote: The suggestion that the police " let drivers proceed after warning them of the possibility of loose horses on the road and to drive with caution" wasn't the experience of my wife who was actively looking for similar warnings when she left the head of the first queue. The police cars parked up on the left had their signs reading 'Keep Right' which was all anyone could do anyway because the bollards directed the traffic into the right hand lane. Then nothing, just a clear road. No warnings. No advice. She drove for a very short time until the next hold-up, which was the tragic accident itself. She was a few cars back from the scene itself. RIP to the poor motorcyclist who lost his life, thoughts are with your family and best wishes for a speedy and complete to the other motorcyclist.[/p][/quote]Perhaps your wife could pass her experience to the IPCC? The more information they get from people involved the better. rayc
  • Score: 7

1:09pm Fri 24 Jan 14

reallypig says...

Should have just turned the traffic around and re-directed it. People just want to get to the end of the journey.
Should have just turned the traffic around and re-directed it. People just want to get to the end of the journey. reallypig
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Fri 24 Jan 14

brad68 says...

Firstly condolences to the family and friends of the dead motorcyclist and all best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured motorcyclist.

I was in the traffic jam on the A31 from 5.50pm to 12.30 am on Wednesday night. Whilst I agree with the crime commissioners comments and support his claims, it adds insult to injury that he commented that commuters had to phone thier wives to find out what was going on. Some of us are female communters who had to phone our husbands to find out what was going on.
Firstly condolences to the family and friends of the dead motorcyclist and all best wishes for a speedy recovery to the injured motorcyclist. I was in the traffic jam on the A31 from 5.50pm to 12.30 am on Wednesday night. Whilst I agree with the crime commissioners comments and support his claims, it adds insult to injury that he commented that commuters had to phone thier wives to find out what was going on. Some of us are female communters who had to phone our husbands to find out what was going on. brad68
  • Score: 7

1:21pm Fri 24 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

Perhaps some people are becoming a little over excited on this matter. It is a question of priorities and I am sure nobody disagrees the first one is the welfare of those involved in the accident/incident, so no arguments on that part.

But afterwards it becomes more complicated, although I am also sure nobody would disagree that things have lately changed. Because we used to follow the order still upheld in much of Europe and America where the reopening of a road is secondary only to the first priority when an accident occurs, in fact immense pride was once taken by the Police in getting things speedily 'back to normal' - and for many good safety reasons.

Now in the UK we certainly do experience ever more extended and frequent periods of road closure as soon as the Police become involved in most traffic accidents. The useful purpose of these huge delays is unclear to most of us and even when reluctantly explained it is usually in purely bureaucratic and sometimes very hollow PC terms - and the answer/s provided certainly do not satisfactorily justify the enormous disruption and the secondary dangers to the public which these procedures cause.

This Hampshire PCC has a valid point (how refreshing for a PCC), it is time to review the reasons for this current approach to RTAs by the Police and others, there has to be a better way to do it - like there used to be!
Perhaps some people are becoming a little over excited on this matter. It is a question of priorities and I am sure nobody disagrees the first one is the welfare of those involved in the accident/incident, so no arguments on that part. But afterwards it becomes more complicated, although I am also sure nobody would disagree that things have lately changed. Because we used to follow the order still upheld in much of Europe and America where the reopening of a road is secondary only to the first priority when an accident occurs, in fact immense pride was once taken by the Police in getting things speedily 'back to normal' - and for many good safety reasons. Now in the UK we certainly do experience ever more extended and frequent periods of road closure as soon as the Police become involved in most traffic accidents. The useful purpose of these huge delays is unclear to most of us and even when reluctantly explained it is usually in purely bureaucratic and sometimes very hollow PC terms - and the answer/s provided certainly do not satisfactorily justify the enormous disruption and the secondary dangers to the public which these procedures cause. This Hampshire PCC has a valid point (how refreshing for a PCC), it is time to review the reasons for this current approach to RTAs by the Police and others, there has to be a better way to do it - like there used to be! muscliffman
  • Score: 8

1:44pm Fri 24 Jan 14

emsielou83 says...

I believe general members of the public are under the illusion that the Police of England and Wales are awash with Officers. Unfortunately they are wrong due to the Government forcing Chief Constables to reduce numbers on the front line. Therefore co-ordinating the investigation, welfare of the public, traffic control whilst also dealing with various other incidents across the region is very challenging and a great demand of resources. I'm not saying there aren't lessons to be learnt but the Police can't be blamed for the poor state of the road and to a degree the traffic tailbacks as the highway agency are there to relieve the pressures put on the Police so they should have been there to assist the traffic. The gaps in barriers were horrendous you may think you are a fantastic driver however not everyone is, and these would use the gaps and travel into lane 2/3 of a fast flowing carriageway and cause another collision. Something needs to be put into place but rash stupid ideas aren't the way to go. In reference to the info provided to us all with an update would be passed to the media for them to update via the car radio or internet so if updates weren't there then there is a breakdown in the chain. A inconvenience for us is for a few hours and the family of the riders is a lifetime.
I believe general members of the public are under the illusion that the Police of England and Wales are awash with Officers. Unfortunately they are wrong due to the Government forcing Chief Constables to reduce numbers on the front line. Therefore co-ordinating the investigation, welfare of the public, traffic control whilst also dealing with various other incidents across the region is very challenging and a great demand of resources. I'm not saying there aren't lessons to be learnt but the Police can't be blamed for the poor state of the road and to a degree the traffic tailbacks as the highway agency are there to relieve the pressures put on the Police so they should have been there to assist the traffic. The gaps in barriers were horrendous you may think you are a fantastic driver however not everyone is, and these would use the gaps and travel into lane 2/3 of a fast flowing carriageway and cause another collision. Something needs to be put into place but rash stupid ideas aren't the way to go. In reference to the info provided to us all with an update would be passed to the media for them to update via the car radio or internet so if updates weren't there then there is a breakdown in the chain. A inconvenience for us is for a few hours and the family of the riders is a lifetime. emsielou83
  • Score: 1

1:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

live-and-let-live says...

French police can close a road for a maximum of two hours. thats enough to see and take notes of what happened.
French police can close a road for a maximum of two hours. thats enough to see and take notes of what happened. live-and-let-live
  • Score: 1

2:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

shh I am at work says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
budgetvelo wrote:
Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did
Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.
So how many food outlets and loos would they need and where would you put them in this traffic?

Where would the ones for Hampshire be stored? How do you keep the food and staff ready and available, how long to get them ready and once again how long and how do you get them to site?

Just a few issues!
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]budgetvelo[/bold] wrote: Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did[/p][/quote]Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.[/p][/quote]So how many food outlets and loos would they need and where would you put them in this traffic? Where would the ones for Hampshire be stored? How do you keep the food and staff ready and available, how long to get them ready and once again how long and how do you get them to site? Just a few issues! shh I am at work
  • Score: 5

2:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

MCAME1989 says...

mikeymagic wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
Sorry, 'carriageway'.
What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you!
Well a dual carriageway is two lanes of fast moving traffic!!
There is a sign after coming off a slipway that does say 'dual carriageway!"
Why does it matter what it's called!!
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?[/p][/quote]Sorry, 'carriageway'.[/p][/quote]What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you![/p][/quote]Well a dual carriageway is two lanes of fast moving traffic!! There is a sign after coming off a slipway that does say 'dual carriageway!" Why does it matter what it's called!! MCAME1989
  • Score: -1

2:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

MCAME1989 says...

rayc wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If the police had made the road safe before and not let drivers go through knowing there was an animal on the road, then it would never had happened!
Perhaps then the road would not have been reopened until a daylight search had taken place the next day. There are plenty of places for a horse to remain unseen in the dark.
Possibly what they could use the helicopter for!

Instead someone lost their life and another is injured!
[quote][p][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If the police had made the road safe before and not let drivers go through knowing there was an animal on the road, then it would never had happened![/p][/quote]Perhaps then the road would not have been reopened until a daylight search had taken place the next day. There are plenty of places for a horse to remain unseen in the dark.[/p][/quote]Possibly what they could use the helicopter for! Instead someone lost their life and another is injured! MCAME1989
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Fri 24 Jan 14

shh I am at work says...

Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
budgetvelo wrote:
Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did
Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.
So how many food outlets and loos would they need and where would you put them in this traffic?

Where would the ones for Hampshire be stored? How do you keep the food and staff ready and available, how long to get them ready and once again how long and how do you get them to site?

Just a few issues!
[quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]budgetvelo[/bold] wrote: Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did[/p][/quote]Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.[/p][/quote]So how many food outlets and loos would they need and where would you put them in this traffic? Where would the ones for Hampshire be stored? How do you keep the food and staff ready and available, how long to get them ready and once again how long and how do you get them to site? Just a few issues! shh I am at work
  • Score: 3

3:42pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Captain Dun says...

Lessons need to be learnt from both halves of the incident.

(1) When the traffic was released after the first horse search, maybe a police car could have led them slowly as a rolling roadblock for the first few miles, enforcing the need to drive with caution? This works really well for slowing traffic gently when there are incidents on the motorway; it could work equally well for accelerating stopped traffic gently?

(2) When the tragedy had occurred and the victims attended to - top priority - surely there is some economical way to release trapped cars without using massive amounts of police resource?
Lessons need to be learnt from both halves of the incident. (1) When the traffic was released after the first horse search, maybe a police car could have led them slowly as a rolling roadblock for the first few miles, enforcing the need to drive with caution? This works really well for slowing traffic gently when there are incidents on the motorway; it could work equally well for accelerating stopped traffic gently? (2) When the tragedy had occurred and the victims attended to - top priority - surely there is some economical way to release trapped cars without using massive amounts of police resource? Captain Dun
  • Score: 5

4:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

BIGTONE says...

shh I am at work wrote:
Telscombe Cliffy wrote:
budgetvelo wrote:
Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did
Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.
So how many food outlets and loos would they need and where would you put them in this traffic?

Where would the ones for Hampshire be stored? How do you keep the food and staff ready and available, how long to get them ready and once again how long and how do you get them to site?

Just a few issues!
No issues at all.1 mobile van like those they have visiting all industrial estates offering tea/coffee sandwiches. The water is heated quickly and I'm sure a contractor would love an opportunity like that.
2 porta loos. One near the front and one near the rear...haaaaa.
They only require a 6 foot square piece of ground as long as it's level.
As for storing the porta loos The petrol stations at picket post. Easily sorted logistics.
[quote][p][bold]shh I am at work[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Telscombe Cliffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]budgetvelo[/bold] wrote: Mobile snack bar and portable toilets? Are you kidding me? What are you, 8 years old? This is the scene of a very tragic and horrific accident. Not a music festival. I suspect you'd like light entertainment put on so you don't get bored as well. This is a joke. Yes the road should've been re-opened sooner but for gods sake put things into perspective a little. One man didn't come home that night. You did[/p][/quote]Poor comment. He is talking about facilities for the many hundreds stuck in the middle of nowhere in the dark. My I point out that the ladies of the WVS used to go to scenes of bombing with tea and supplies in the blitz to help all people affected. So its not a new idea, this generation have just forgotten about it general care.[/p][/quote]So how many food outlets and loos would they need and where would you put them in this traffic? Where would the ones for Hampshire be stored? How do you keep the food and staff ready and available, how long to get them ready and once again how long and how do you get them to site? Just a few issues![/p][/quote]No issues at all.1 mobile van like those they have visiting all industrial estates offering tea/coffee sandwiches. The water is heated quickly and I'm sure a contractor would love an opportunity like that. 2 porta loos. One near the front and one near the rear...haaaaa. They only require a 6 foot square piece of ground as long as it's level. As for storing the porta loos The petrol stations at picket post. Easily sorted logistics. BIGTONE
  • Score: -5

4:41pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Dave2207 says...

Mr. Plod is very aptly named as such! A few years ago, I was in the Boscombe barber's chair - half-way through a haircut - when he arrogantly marched into the barber's shop and demanded immediate attention, whilst I was left, half-cut (so to speak) in the chair, for many minutes. Obviously, Mr. Plod's enquiries were more important than my paid-for haircut (NOT)! Would I have been arrested for obstruction had I insisted on the completion of my haircut prior to his interviewing the barber? Luckily, I did not call him a 'pleb.'
Mr. Plod is very aptly named as such! A few years ago, I was in the Boscombe barber's chair - half-way through a haircut - when he arrogantly marched into the barber's shop and demanded immediate attention, whilst I was left, half-cut (so to speak) in the chair, for many minutes. Obviously, Mr. Plod's enquiries were more important than my paid-for haircut (NOT)! Would I have been arrested for obstruction had I insisted on the completion of my haircut prior to his interviewing the barber? Luckily, I did not call him a 'pleb.' Dave2207
  • Score: -2

4:45pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Black Pirate says...

Mr Hayes.....another crime commissioner more interested in traffic queues than the injury and loss of life! Vote grabbing !
Mr Hayes.....another crime commissioner more interested in traffic queues than the injury and loss of life! Vote grabbing ! Black Pirate
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Fri 24 Jan 14

spooki says...

Only problem with having open sections in a central reservation is that some **** will decide to use it to do a u-turn in the dual carriageway,
Only problem with having open sections in a central reservation is that some **** will decide to use it to do a u-turn in the dual carriageway, spooki
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Fri 24 Jan 14

the_voice_of_reason says...

mikeymagic wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
Sorry, 'carriageway'.
What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you!
Suggest you go and check on a map what part of the A35 is the Dorchester bypass! - and the highway code!! It IS A SINGLE CARRIAGEWAY road. The dual carriageway from Dorchester to Bere Regis is NOT part of the Dorchester bypass.
[quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?[/p][/quote]Sorry, 'carriageway'.[/p][/quote]What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you![/p][/quote]Suggest you go and check on a map what part of the A35 is the Dorchester bypass! - and the highway code!! It IS A SINGLE CARRIAGEWAY road. The dual carriageway from Dorchester to Bere Regis is NOT part of the Dorchester bypass. the_voice_of_reason
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Fri 24 Jan 14

pirateecho says...

"police were advising motorists to proceed carefully"
could anyone at the scene shed a light on if this happened and how?
"police were advising motorists to proceed carefully" could anyone at the scene shed a light on if this happened and how? pirateecho
  • Score: 3

5:44pm Fri 24 Jan 14

manyogie says...

I,m sure I,d be happy as Larry if my Boss publicly condemned me in such a public arena!
Nice try at 'distancing' yourself, though, you have just shown all your true colours!
Next election is?
I,m sure I,d be happy as Larry if my Boss publicly condemned me in such a public arena! Nice try at 'distancing' yourself, though, you have just shown all your true colours! Next election is? manyogie
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Zero101z says...

I was stuck. Finally arrived home at 1.40am. Total time held up 6.5 hrs. Could anyone explain to me why just a single lane could not have been cleared through the scene to free the stranded once the casualties had been moved to hospital? The police could then have carried on for as long as needed to complete their procedures. Surely this could have been done after perhaps an hour or two?
I was stuck. Finally arrived home at 1.40am. Total time held up 6.5 hrs. Could anyone explain to me why just a single lane could not have been cleared through the scene to free the stranded once the casualties had been moved to hospital? The police could then have carried on for as long as needed to complete their procedures. Surely this could have been done after perhaps an hour or two? Zero101z
  • Score: 4

6:24pm Fri 24 Jan 14

carrrob says...

Instead of blaming the road etc why not look at some if the idiotic driving that occours on it on a daily basis get some proper police patrol cars to police it a bit more regularly !
Instead of blaming the road etc why not look at some if the idiotic driving that occours on it on a daily basis get some proper police patrol cars to police it a bit more regularly ! carrrob
  • Score: 3

6:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

MCAME1989 says...

the_voice_of_reason wrote:
mikeymagic wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
Lucy Lastick wrote:
MCAME1989 wrote:
If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long!
Dorchester bypass hav them too...
Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?
Sorry, 'carriageway'.
What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you!
Suggest you go and check on a map what part of the A35 is the Dorchester bypass! - and the highway code!! It IS A SINGLE CARRIAGEWAY road. The dual carriageway from Dorchester to Bere Regis is NOT part of the Dorchester bypass.
Ok so ....the long road from Dorchester to bere Regis.....
Has opening central reservations!!!
This is the road I am talking about!
No need to get smart defying dual carriageway or not!
I wouldn't suggest I so anything
[quote][p][bold]the_voice_of_reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeymagic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lucy Lastick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MCAME1989[/bold] wrote: If they had the opening central reservations as do the motorways..people wouldn't be stuck for so long! Dorchester bypass hav them too...[/p][/quote]Dorchester bypass isn't a dual acrriageway. Is it?[/p][/quote]Sorry, 'carriageway'.[/p][/quote]What would you say it is then? Back to the highway code for you![/p][/quote]Suggest you go and check on a map what part of the A35 is the Dorchester bypass! - and the highway code!! It IS A SINGLE CARRIAGEWAY road. The dual carriageway from Dorchester to Bere Regis is NOT part of the Dorchester bypass.[/p][/quote]Ok so ....the long road from Dorchester to bere Regis..... Has opening central reservations!!! This is the road I am talking about! No need to get smart defying dual carriageway or not! I wouldn't suggest I so anything MCAME1989
  • Score: 1

9:23pm Fri 24 Jan 14

muscliffman says...

spooki wrote:
Only problem with having open sections in a central reservation is that some **** will decide to use it to do a u-turn in the dual carriageway,
Which is precisely why those on the A31 (at least along this stretch) were all blocked and most grassed over several years ago, those of us with longer memories can still see where they were.
[quote][p][bold]spooki[/bold] wrote: Only problem with having open sections in a central reservation is that some **** will decide to use it to do a u-turn in the dual carriageway,[/p][/quote]Which is precisely why those on the A31 (at least along this stretch) were all blocked and most grassed over several years ago, those of us with longer memories can still see where they were. muscliffman
  • Score: 1

10:29pm Fri 24 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

Zero101z wrote:
I was stuck. Finally arrived home at 1.40am. Total time held up 6.5 hrs. Could anyone explain to me why just a single lane could not have been cleared through the scene to free the stranded once the casualties had been moved to hospital? The police could then have carried on for as long as needed to complete their procedures. Surely this could have been done after perhaps an hour or two?
I so agree.

Especially as this was a animal running across a road.

How much can be investigated about this?

I get it when there is a potential hit and run or an unexplained death but a bike (sadly) hitting a horse in the dark?

Genuinely, what can they expect to find in hours and hours of forensic study (and if this is not what they were doing then what prevented a lane being opened for the poor sods sat there in the dark?),
[quote][p][bold]Zero101z[/bold] wrote: I was stuck. Finally arrived home at 1.40am. Total time held up 6.5 hrs. Could anyone explain to me why just a single lane could not have been cleared through the scene to free the stranded once the casualties had been moved to hospital? The police could then have carried on for as long as needed to complete their procedures. Surely this could have been done after perhaps an hour or two?[/p][/quote]I so agree. Especially as this was a animal running across a road. How much can be investigated about this? I get it when there is a potential hit and run or an unexplained death but a bike (sadly) hitting a horse in the dark? Genuinely, what can they expect to find in hours and hours of forensic study (and if this is not what they were doing then what prevented a lane being opened for the poor sods sat there in the dark?), scrumpyjack
  • Score: 1

10:54pm Fri 24 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

muscliffman wrote:
Perhaps some people are becoming a little over excited on this matter. It is a question of priorities and I am sure nobody disagrees the first one is the welfare of those involved in the accident/incident, so no arguments on that part.

But afterwards it becomes more complicated, although I am also sure nobody would disagree that things have lately changed. Because we used to follow the order still upheld in much of Europe and America where the reopening of a road is secondary only to the first priority when an accident occurs, in fact immense pride was once taken by the Police in getting things speedily 'back to normal' - and for many good safety reasons.

Now in the UK we certainly do experience ever more extended and frequent periods of road closure as soon as the Police become involved in most traffic accidents. The useful purpose of these huge delays is unclear to most of us and even when reluctantly explained it is usually in purely bureaucratic and sometimes very hollow PC terms - and the answer/s provided certainly do not satisfactorily justify the enormous disruption and the secondary dangers to the public which these procedures cause.

This Hampshire PCC has a valid point (how refreshing for a PCC), it is time to review the reasons for this current approach to RTAs by the Police and others, there has to be a better way to do it - like there used to be!
Blimey where did that brilliant eloquence come from?

Bye the bye, well said,
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: Perhaps some people are becoming a little over excited on this matter. It is a question of priorities and I am sure nobody disagrees the first one is the welfare of those involved in the accident/incident, so no arguments on that part. But afterwards it becomes more complicated, although I am also sure nobody would disagree that things have lately changed. Because we used to follow the order still upheld in much of Europe and America where the reopening of a road is secondary only to the first priority when an accident occurs, in fact immense pride was once taken by the Police in getting things speedily 'back to normal' - and for many good safety reasons. Now in the UK we certainly do experience ever more extended and frequent periods of road closure as soon as the Police become involved in most traffic accidents. The useful purpose of these huge delays is unclear to most of us and even when reluctantly explained it is usually in purely bureaucratic and sometimes very hollow PC terms - and the answer/s provided certainly do not satisfactorily justify the enormous disruption and the secondary dangers to the public which these procedures cause. This Hampshire PCC has a valid point (how refreshing for a PCC), it is time to review the reasons for this current approach to RTAs by the Police and others, there has to be a better way to do it - like there used to be![/p][/quote]Blimey where did that brilliant eloquence come from? Bye the bye, well said, scrumpyjack
  • Score: 2

11:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

scrumpyjack says...

Dave2207 wrote:
Mr. Plod is very aptly named as such! A few years ago, I was in the Boscombe barber's chair - half-way through a haircut - when he arrogantly marched into the barber's shop and demanded immediate attention, whilst I was left, half-cut (so to speak) in the chair, for many minutes. Obviously, Mr. Plod's enquiries were more important than my paid-for haircut (NOT)! Would I have been arrested for obstruction had I insisted on the completion of my haircut prior to his interviewing the barber? Luckily, I did not call him a 'pleb.'
No balls then?
[quote][p][bold]Dave2207[/bold] wrote: Mr. Plod is very aptly named as such! A few years ago, I was in the Boscombe barber's chair - half-way through a haircut - when he arrogantly marched into the barber's shop and demanded immediate attention, whilst I was left, half-cut (so to speak) in the chair, for many minutes. Obviously, Mr. Plod's enquiries were more important than my paid-for haircut (NOT)! Would I have been arrested for obstruction had I insisted on the completion of my haircut prior to his interviewing the barber? Luckily, I did not call him a 'pleb.'[/p][/quote]No balls then? scrumpyjack
  • Score: 0

9:54am Sat 25 Jan 14

KTMRC8 says...

Firstly my condolences to the family of the motorcyclist and a speedy recovery to the second man.Secondy if you weren't there don't comment on riding abilities etc as you are not in a position to apportion the blame .Thirdly I don't believe the road is dangerous ,no more than any other road ,just the people using it ,the incident was hopefully a one of where a horse escaped from the forest and could happen on any road.As was mentioned above the police should have used their helicopter with it's thermal imaging camera as it is a very busy road at night in the rush hour ,an hours flying time would surely outweigh the costa of an RTA the services involved and subsequent medical care.That being said hindsight is a marvellous thing .Very sad for all involved
Firstly my condolences to the family of the motorcyclist and a speedy recovery to the second man.Secondy if you weren't there don't comment on riding abilities etc as you are not in a position to apportion the blame .Thirdly I don't believe the road is dangerous ,no more than any other road ,just the people using it ,the incident was hopefully a one of where a horse escaped from the forest and could happen on any road.As was mentioned above the police should have used their helicopter with it's thermal imaging camera as it is a very busy road at night in the rush hour ,an hours flying time would surely outweigh the costa of an RTA the services involved and subsequent medical care.That being said hindsight is a marvellous thing .Very sad for all involved KTMRC8
  • Score: 1

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