Illegal traveller camps in Bournemouth and Poole won’t be transferred to temporary site in Piddlehinton

No transfer for illegal traveller camps in Bournemouth and Poole to temporary site

TAKEN UP RESIDENCE: Travellers at Hatchard’s Field, Poole

The proposed site at Piddlehinton

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MEMBERS of gypsy and traveller communities who set up illegal encampments in Bournemouth and Poole will not be transferred to a temporary site in rural Dorset.

Peter Finney, cabinet member for Community and Public Health at Dorset County Council, said the temporary site at Piddlehinton will not be used to accommodate travellers from unauthorised camps in neighbouring council areas like Bournemouth and Poole.

Speaking about the anticipated arrival of members of the traveller community over the summer months, Cllr Finney said: “It’s always a big concern. That is why councils have to provide temporary facilities to give police the ability to use their powers to move them.

“If you don’t have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like.”

His comments come after two separate illegal traveller sites were established at Baiter and Hatchard’s Field in Poole on Sunday.

Borough of Poole, which is currently seeking a court date to obtain eviction orders for both sites, refused two planning applications for temporary traveller sites in March.

Bournemouth Borough Council has maintained there are no suitable sites to accommodate a permanent traveller site in Bournemouth.

Cllr Finney said the site at Piddlehinton, which became operational in March, will enable Dorset County Council to shut down illegal camps quickly and will deter travellers from the area.

Cllr Finney said: “When we had it for the Olympics we had a marked reduction in the number of unauthorised camps but there was an increase in the number of traveller sites last year.

“It will give us protection over the summer.”

The temporary site, which is operational from March to August, will close after three years. However Dorset County Council hopes to have established a permanent site during this time.

Cllr Finney said: “There aren’t many communities that would welcome travellers with open arms especially at temporary sites but the local residents have been very forbearing. There is 24 hour security and CCTV cameras. We are doing our very best.”

Comments have been opened on this story but please note: any reference to gypsies or any racially offensive term will cause them to be closed and you may find your account suspended. Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are legally recognised as ethnic groups, and protected by the Race Relations Act. Please keep your comments to this particular incident and do not generalise. Thanks for your co-operation.

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6:30am Thu 15 May 14

loftusrod says...

''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify? loftusrod
  • Score: 64

6:57am Thu 15 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
Do they carry some sort of ID stating their status or can anyone just pitch up and choose where they want stay for a while and let the rate payers clear up after them
[quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]Do they carry some sort of ID stating their status or can anyone just pitch up and choose where they want stay for a while and let the rate payers clear up after them kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 53

7:11am Thu 15 May 14

PabloEstrella says...

Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).
Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two). PabloEstrella
  • Score: -31

7:19am Thu 15 May 14

JustForPoole says...

Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!!
Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!! JustForPoole
  • Score: 38

7:52am Thu 15 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Are the caravans inflatable that are inflated when they sneak onto the same sites that they annually invade.or are the traffic cops hiding in the bushes with a speed guns while the travellers slip into town.you get the impression that as long as they stay away from the expensive area's then let them pitch wherever they want.How long would they be allowed to stay in Canford Cliffs
Are the caravans inflatable that are inflated when they sneak onto the same sites that they annually invade.or are the traffic cops hiding in the bushes with a speed guns while the travellers slip into town.you get the impression that as long as they stay away from the expensive area's then let them pitch wherever they want.How long would they be allowed to stay in Canford Cliffs kalebmoledirt
  • Score: 24

8:35am Thu 15 May 14

TheDistrict says...

Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county. TheDistrict
  • Score: 50

8:38am Thu 15 May 14

RM says...

loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
Well, there is a gov.uk petition set up asking for their ethnic minority status to be removed but, despite venting on here & on other articles in the Echo about travellers, the majority of people seem unwilling to sign the petition.

http://epetitions.di
rect.gov.uk/petition
s/61822
[quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]Well, there is a gov.uk petition set up asking for their ethnic minority status to be removed but, despite venting on here & on other articles in the Echo about travellers, the majority of people seem unwilling to sign the petition. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822 RM
  • Score: 15

8:45am Thu 15 May 14

spooki says...

So if I park up on a field, verge or a public car park I won't get moved on?
They're travellers, move them on and get travelling.
So if I park up on a field, verge or a public car park I won't get moved on? They're travellers, move them on and get travelling. spooki
  • Score: 21

8:47am Thu 15 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

PabloEstrella wrote:
Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).
There were NO Nimbys voting against any traveller site. Members of the public were merely invited to comment on the planning application, which many did, along with motorists travelling into Poole from the west and local businesses. The PLANNING COMMITTEE on Poole Council voted against the plans for the two sites, which they decided were not suitable for a variety of reasons. The residents had absolutely NO CONTROL over whether or not the Council went ahead.
......
The local councillors, Burden, Butt and Rampton, kept the residents informed of what was happening as they were elected to do. I would suspect that they are the only current councillors in Poole who can guarantee to be re-elected next year because of the way they represent their residents and because of the shabby treatment of Cllr Butt by Cllr Atkinson.
[quote][p][bold]PabloEstrella[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).[/p][/quote]There were NO Nimbys voting against any traveller site. Members of the public were merely invited to comment on the planning application, which many did, along with motorists travelling into Poole from the west and local businesses. The PLANNING COMMITTEE on Poole Council voted against the plans for the two sites, which they decided were not suitable for a variety of reasons. The residents had absolutely NO CONTROL over whether or not the Council went ahead. ...... The local councillors, Burden, Butt and Rampton, kept the residents informed of what was happening as they were elected to do. I would suspect that they are the only current councillors in Poole who can guarantee to be re-elected next year because of the way they represent their residents and because of the shabby treatment of Cllr Butt by Cllr Atkinson. Carolyn43
  • Score: 4

8:50am Thu 15 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Same old same old....
Same old same old.... BIGTONE
  • Score: 11

8:53am Thu 15 May 14

Minty Fresh says...

Has anyone noticed that the Echo are running scared of actually backing the local people on this issue? You know why? They don't want to get sued by the Gypsy community on some jumped up racist charge.

What we, your readers and the community at large want from this paper is an Editor who will back us. Telling travellers that they are not wanted in our town or in Dorset is not being racist. It's a clear message that we do not want freeloaders turning up on our doorstep, invading our public spaces that are maintained by our taxes, leaving their rubbish everywhere that again costs local tax payers their money to clear up and the inevitable anti-social interactions that occur etc etc.

This paper should earn it's "status" as a market leader and start a campaign for a law change that would see travellers prosecuted in the same way the rest of us would if we acted in the way they do.
Has anyone noticed that the Echo are running scared of actually backing the local people on this issue? You know why? They don't want to get sued by the Gypsy community on some jumped up racist charge. What we, your readers and the community at large want from this paper is an Editor who will back us. Telling travellers that they are not wanted in our town or in Dorset is not being racist. It's a clear message that we do not want freeloaders turning up on our doorstep, invading our public spaces that are maintained by our taxes, leaving their rubbish everywhere that again costs local tax payers their money to clear up and the inevitable anti-social interactions that occur etc etc. This paper should earn it's "status" as a market leader and start a campaign for a law change that would see travellers prosecuted in the same way the rest of us would if we acted in the way they do. Minty Fresh
  • Score: 41

9:00am Thu 15 May 14

Carolyn43 says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so. Carolyn43
  • Score: 9

9:45am Thu 15 May 14

Arjay says...

'The Borough of Poole is currently SEEKING a court date'....I doesn't take much imagination to realise that simply changing that procedure so that the Borough of Poole REQUIRES an IMMEDIATE court hearing would allow for these freeloaders to be moved on within a few hours, rather than waiting days.

How is it wise to than spend thousands on fences and gates, which are just physically destroyed by these people, without any fear of prosecution?
Re-allocate your resources, so that whatever legal requirements are required are always available immediately
Speed up the eviction times to hours rather than days. They'll soon get the message then
'The Borough of Poole is currently SEEKING a court date'....I doesn't take much imagination to realise that simply changing that procedure so that the Borough of Poole REQUIRES an IMMEDIATE court hearing would allow for these freeloaders to be moved on within a few hours, rather than waiting days. How is it wise to than spend thousands on fences and gates, which are just physically destroyed by these people, without any fear of prosecution? Re-allocate your resources, so that whatever legal requirements are required are always available immediately Speed up the eviction times to hours rather than days. They'll soon get the message then Arjay
  • Score: 30

10:27am Thu 15 May 14

TheDistrict says...

RM wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
Well, there is a gov.uk petition set up asking for their ethnic minority status to be removed but, despite venting on here & on other articles in the Echo about travellers, the majority of people seem unwilling to sign the petition.

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/61822
The e-petition number is not registering when accessed online.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]Well, there is a gov.uk petition set up asking for their ethnic minority status to be removed but, despite venting on here & on other articles in the Echo about travellers, the majority of people seem unwilling to sign the petition. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822[/p][/quote]The e-petition number is not registering when accessed online. TheDistrict
  • Score: 5

10:41am Thu 15 May 14

muscliffman says...

loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
It is beginning to appear that our authorities do NOT want to ask too many questions about these travellers true 'ethnic' status because it provides them all with the perfect excuse for their inadequate, systemically liberal and timid responses in these 'traveller' situations.

We already have several reports that the latest 'Irish travellers' to camp illegally in Poole are (not for the first time) speaking in mainland British tongues and driving about in new mainland British registered vehicles. So is anyone in authority properly investigating the authenticity of their 'Irish traveller' ethnic claims?

And does the Echo or anyone know the whereabouts of the PCC's bunker, because so far he has done his usual complete disappearing act at a time of 'traveller' incursion crisis.
[quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]It is beginning to appear that our authorities do NOT want to ask too many questions about these travellers true 'ethnic' status because it provides them all with the perfect excuse for their inadequate, systemically liberal and timid responses in these 'traveller' situations. We already have several reports that the latest 'Irish travellers' to camp illegally in Poole are (not for the first time) speaking in mainland British tongues and driving about in new mainland British registered vehicles. So is anyone in authority properly investigating the authenticity of their 'Irish traveller' ethnic claims? And does the Echo or anyone know the whereabouts of the PCC's bunker, because so far he has done his usual complete disappearing act at a time of 'traveller' incursion crisis. muscliffman
  • Score: 25

11:06am Thu 15 May 14

speedy231278 says...

“If you don’t have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like.”

Unlike the majority of us who pay taxes, obey the laws of the land, and generally get taken for mugs, who would be immediately set upon by the long arm of the law dare we break down barriers and park where the hell we like with complete impunity! This country is a joke, the only people who seem to have no rights are the ones who were born here!
“If you don’t have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like.” Unlike the majority of us who pay taxes, obey the laws of the land, and generally get taken for mugs, who would be immediately set upon by the long arm of the law dare we break down barriers and park where the hell we like with complete impunity! This country is a joke, the only people who seem to have no rights are the ones who were born here! speedy231278
  • Score: 22

1:34pm Thu 15 May 14

angiejones720 says...

It would be a good idea for the council to find the travellers a permanent site, then they can pay their way like the rest of us, and charge them if they destroy the site. That isn't gonna happen is it, they'd much rather charge the tax payer!
It would be a good idea for the council to find the travellers a permanent site, then they can pay their way like the rest of us, and charge them if they destroy the site. That isn't gonna happen is it, they'd much rather charge the tax payer! angiejones720
  • Score: 2

2:50pm Thu 15 May 14

poolebabe says...

An ethnic status ensures they aren't treated less favourably as a result of it, I think people are sick of them being treated more favourably. There is no fairness, and the rest of us have to obey laws and pay premiums to enjoy the freedoms these people have. Ethnic status or not, they should obey the laws of the land and the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for it.
An ethnic status ensures they aren't treated less favourably as a result of it, I think people are sick of them being treated more favourably. There is no fairness, and the rest of us have to obey laws and pay premiums to enjoy the freedoms these people have. Ethnic status or not, they should obey the laws of the land and the rest of us shouldn't have to pay for it. poolebabe
  • Score: 15

2:54pm Thu 15 May 14

RT1066 says...

JustForPoole wrote:
Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!!
You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not!
[quote][p][bold]JustForPoole[/bold] wrote: Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!![/p][/quote]You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not! RT1066
  • Score: 0

3:20pm Thu 15 May 14

TheDistrict says...

Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites. TheDistrict
  • Score: -2

3:39pm Thu 15 May 14

Baysider says...

muscliffman wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
It is beginning to appear that our authorities do NOT want to ask too many questions about these travellers true 'ethnic' status because it provides them all with the perfect excuse for their inadequate, systemically liberal and timid responses in these 'traveller' situations.

We already have several reports that the latest 'Irish travellers' to camp illegally in Poole are (not for the first time) speaking in mainland British tongues and driving about in new mainland British registered vehicles. So is anyone in authority properly investigating the authenticity of their 'Irish traveller' ethnic claims?

And does the Echo or anyone know the whereabouts of the PCC's bunker, because so far he has done his usual complete disappearing act at a time of 'traveller' incursion crisis.
...and how long are these enquiries going to take then Muzzy? And are they going to cooperate with them? Maybe they'll fill in a questionnaire eh? Months will be wasted by which time they will be long gone but presumably you'll be happy because councils have spent precious resources following up on your bright idea. No, thought not.

From what I can see from the Echo reports, they served eviction notices on one group IMMEDIATELY and are keeping a watching brief on the less problematic site so they can get rid if/when problems occur. What more do you practically expect from such timid, liberal, inadequate, blah, blah, blah authorities???
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]It is beginning to appear that our authorities do NOT want to ask too many questions about these travellers true 'ethnic' status because it provides them all with the perfect excuse for their inadequate, systemically liberal and timid responses in these 'traveller' situations. We already have several reports that the latest 'Irish travellers' to camp illegally in Poole are (not for the first time) speaking in mainland British tongues and driving about in new mainland British registered vehicles. So is anyone in authority properly investigating the authenticity of their 'Irish traveller' ethnic claims? And does the Echo or anyone know the whereabouts of the PCC's bunker, because so far he has done his usual complete disappearing act at a time of 'traveller' incursion crisis.[/p][/quote]...and how long are these enquiries going to take then Muzzy? And are they going to cooperate with them? Maybe they'll fill in a questionnaire eh? Months will be wasted by which time they will be long gone but presumably you'll be happy because councils have spent precious resources following up on your bright idea. No, thought not. From what I can see from the Echo reports, they served eviction notices on one group IMMEDIATELY and are keeping a watching brief on the less problematic site so they can get rid if/when problems occur. What more do you practically expect from such timid, liberal, inadequate, blah, blah, blah authorities??? Baysider
  • Score: -6

3:50pm Thu 15 May 14

kangaroo_joey says...

PabloEstrella wrote:
Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).
Are you thick or something, if you bother to take your head out your a**e you'll know that it was the planning commision that turned down these sites as they were wholly innappropriate, but hey dont let the facts get in the way of you spouting utter tripe
[quote][p][bold]PabloEstrella[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).[/p][/quote]Are you thick or something, if you bother to take your head out your a**e you'll know that it was the planning commision that turned down these sites as they were wholly innappropriate, but hey dont let the facts get in the way of you spouting utter tripe kangaroo_joey
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Thu 15 May 14

Baysider says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.[/p][/quote]I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation. Baysider
  • Score: -1

4:07pm Thu 15 May 14

MMM444 says...

angiejones720 wrote:
It would be a good idea for the council to find the travellers a permanent site, then they can pay their way like the rest of us, and charge them if they destroy the site. That isn't gonna happen is it, they'd much rather charge the tax payer!
Well if they joined the caravan club there's thousands of sites here and all over europe, but that aint going to happen, because these freeloading vandals want something for nothing, besides, if you give them a site there only smash it up, give them nothing, infact confiscate everything they own, motorhomes, caravans, trucks, EVERYTHING, and march them on there way, back to homes they have somewhere, which i guarantee they have, travellers my a@se.
[quote][p][bold]angiejones720[/bold] wrote: It would be a good idea for the council to find the travellers a permanent site, then they can pay their way like the rest of us, and charge them if they destroy the site. That isn't gonna happen is it, they'd much rather charge the tax payer![/p][/quote]Well if they joined the caravan club there's thousands of sites here and all over europe, but that aint going to happen, because these freeloading vandals want something for nothing, besides, if you give them a site there only smash it up, give them nothing, infact confiscate everything they own, motorhomes, caravans, trucks, EVERYTHING, and march them on there way, back to homes they have somewhere, which i guarantee they have, travellers my a@se. MMM444
  • Score: 14

4:16pm Thu 15 May 14

mimi55 says...

RT1066 wrote:
JustForPoole wrote:
Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!!
You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not!
Read the criminal justice act - 1994! The police probably do not act, because they know the limp wristed council would leap in to prosecute them for harrassing these 'innocent' travellers. (Also, there would have been only 12
spaces at Creekmoor, and as there are already 14 vans in situ, they could not all have been moved on)
[quote][p][bold]RT1066[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustForPoole[/bold] wrote: Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!![/p][/quote]You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not![/p][/quote]Read the criminal justice act - 1994! The police probably do not act, because they know the limp wristed council would leap in to prosecute them for harrassing these 'innocent' travellers. (Also, there would have been only 12 spaces at Creekmoor, and as there are already 14 vans in situ, they could not all have been moved on) mimi55
  • Score: -1

4:49pm Thu 15 May 14

muscliffman says...

Baysider wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
It is beginning to appear that our authorities do NOT want to ask too many questions about these travellers true 'ethnic' status because it provides them all with the perfect excuse for their inadequate, systemically liberal and timid responses in these 'traveller' situations.

We already have several reports that the latest 'Irish travellers' to camp illegally in Poole are (not for the first time) speaking in mainland British tongues and driving about in new mainland British registered vehicles. So is anyone in authority properly investigating the authenticity of their 'Irish traveller' ethnic claims?

And does the Echo or anyone know the whereabouts of the PCC's bunker, because so far he has done his usual complete disappearing act at a time of 'traveller' incursion crisis.
...and how long are these enquiries going to take then Muzzy? And are they going to cooperate with them? Maybe they'll fill in a questionnaire eh? Months will be wasted by which time they will be long gone but presumably you'll be happy because councils have spent precious resources following up on your bright idea. No, thought not.

From what I can see from the Echo reports, they served eviction notices on one group IMMEDIATELY and are keeping a watching brief on the less problematic site so they can get rid if/when problems occur. What more do you practically expect from such timid, liberal, inadequate, blah, blah, blah authorities???
You ask "and how long are these enquiries going to take then Muzzy?" and then suggest "months"!

These 'Irish(?) travellers' are towing their caravans on our highways with mechanically propelled vehicles, by law these must be currently taxed, registered and insured, whilst the person in charge of them has to have a driving licence (of recognised origin) that is valid in the UK. (This applies to all of us)

So these initial (roadside style) routine enquiries to establish the 'traveller' driver's identity details and find out (at the least) if any motoring rules are being broken should take about five minutes, whilst any refusal to cooperate with such enquires would naturally be an immediate arrestable offence in itself. (This is what would happen to any of us)

Of course this does presume that any of our public servants can be sufficiently courageous and motivated to bother asking these 'travellers' any questions at all....... aside apparently from those ensuring their welfare.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]It is beginning to appear that our authorities do NOT want to ask too many questions about these travellers true 'ethnic' status because it provides them all with the perfect excuse for their inadequate, systemically liberal and timid responses in these 'traveller' situations. We already have several reports that the latest 'Irish travellers' to camp illegally in Poole are (not for the first time) speaking in mainland British tongues and driving about in new mainland British registered vehicles. So is anyone in authority properly investigating the authenticity of their 'Irish traveller' ethnic claims? And does the Echo or anyone know the whereabouts of the PCC's bunker, because so far he has done his usual complete disappearing act at a time of 'traveller' incursion crisis.[/p][/quote]...and how long are these enquiries going to take then Muzzy? And are they going to cooperate with them? Maybe they'll fill in a questionnaire eh? Months will be wasted by which time they will be long gone but presumably you'll be happy because councils have spent precious resources following up on your bright idea. No, thought not. From what I can see from the Echo reports, they served eviction notices on one group IMMEDIATELY and are keeping a watching brief on the less problematic site so they can get rid if/when problems occur. What more do you practically expect from such timid, liberal, inadequate, blah, blah, blah authorities???[/p][/quote]You ask "and how long are these enquiries going to take then Muzzy?" and then suggest "months"! These 'Irish(?) travellers' are towing their caravans on our highways with mechanically propelled vehicles, by law these must be currently taxed, registered and insured, whilst the person in charge of them has to have a driving licence (of recognised origin) that is valid in the UK. (This applies to all of us) So these initial (roadside style) routine enquiries to establish the 'traveller' driver's identity details and find out (at the least) if any motoring rules are being broken should take about five minutes, whilst any refusal to cooperate with such enquires would naturally be an immediate arrestable offence in itself. (This is what would happen to any of us) Of course this does presume that any of our public servants can be sufficiently courageous and motivated to bother asking these 'travellers' any questions at all....... aside apparently from those ensuring their welfare. muscliffman
  • Score: 10

4:58pm Thu 15 May 14

forest-dweller says...

Nice one Echo. Delete posts that say things about those lovely travellers that are the truth but might not paint them in a good light.
Nice one Echo. Delete posts that say things about those lovely travellers that are the truth but might not paint them in a good light. forest-dweller
  • Score: 2

4:59pm Thu 15 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: -46

5:00pm Thu 15 May 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
Even better we could just deport them!
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]Even better we could just deport them! HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 3

5:11pm Thu 15 May 14

Bob49 says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Just when you think they may be some progress up pops this Daily Mail style nonsense.

It is not ethnic rubbish/claptrap, nor is it being allowed to 'overule our nation' as it was an ENGLISH judge in an ENGLISH court that made this ruling. You can hardly squeak about breaking the law when you are claiming that we should ignore the law !

Having repeatedly stated that the real point is what qualifies these people as Travellers (seperate ethnicity), we are still stuck with 25 idiots who are happy to do the dirty work for the Travellers by distracting from that question.

The police and council should be put on the spot to tell us exactly how they decide who is a traveller.... and more importantly who is not. The latter being the real question. because if there is no more qualification than that you own a caravan and camp on public spaces then any person is entitled to do likewise - for free as well.

In the meantime could the 'Daily Mailers' please get somebody to actually point them towards the truth in this matter so forums like this might start to address the REAL cause and how we can stop this activity once and for.

The evidence is out there - go and read that for once !
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Just when you think they may be some progress up pops this Daily Mail style nonsense. It is not ethnic rubbish/claptrap, nor is it being allowed to 'overule our nation' as it was an ENGLISH judge in an ENGLISH court that made this ruling. You can hardly squeak about breaking the law when you are claiming that we should ignore the law ! Having repeatedly stated that the real point is what qualifies these people as Travellers (seperate ethnicity), we are still stuck with 25 idiots who are happy to do the dirty work for the Travellers by distracting from that question. The police and council should be put on the spot to tell us exactly how they decide who is a traveller.... and more importantly who is not. The latter being the real question. because if there is no more qualification than that you own a caravan and camp on public spaces then any person is entitled to do likewise - for free as well. In the meantime could the 'Daily Mailers' please get somebody to actually point them towards the truth in this matter so forums like this might start to address the REAL cause and how we can stop this activity once and for. The evidence is out there - go and read that for once ! Bob49
  • Score: -1

5:22pm Thu 15 May 14

pete woodley says...

I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.
I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor. pete woodley
  • Score: 1

6:05pm Thu 15 May 14

sea poole says...

Can anyone elaborate on how we would be placed if one of the traveller 4x4 cars hit our car and was proven to be their fault? I guess they've no insurance.
Can anyone elaborate on how we would be placed if one of the traveller 4x4 cars hit our car and was proven to be their fault? I guess they've no insurance. sea poole
  • Score: 8

6:05pm Thu 15 May 14

Jo__Go says...

pete woodley wrote:
I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.
...but not in your back yard though, eh?
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.[/p][/quote]...but not in your back yard though, eh? Jo__Go
  • Score: 1

6:14pm Thu 15 May 14

Bob49 says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job. Bob49
  • Score: -3

6:21pm Thu 15 May 14

sunnybournemouth says...

RM wrote:
loftusrod wrote:
''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like''
And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like?
And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?
Well, there is a gov.uk petition set up asking for their ethnic minority status to be removed but, despite venting on here & on other articles in the Echo about travellers, the majority of people seem unwilling to sign the petition.

http://epetitions.di

rect.gov.uk/petition

s/61822
Signed, but still only showing 60 signatures online so not sure if it is working correctly (I did check after email verification).

If their own country doesn't recognize their 'ethnicity' I don't see why we should, I only ever see them bringing problems/costs whenever they visit.
Feel free to correct me if they bring something positive to the area that I don't know about.
I wouldn't have signed it if I didn't see this being unfair to people not in their ethnic group (we have to pay to park, have our rubbish collected and pay for any damage we cause). I am really only signing because the the authorities seem to do very little about these problems.
I feel sorry for the original gypsies/Romanies who get lumped in with these people. The ones I have known in the past have been the most wonderful people you could wish to meet.
[quote][p][bold]RM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loftusrod[/bold] wrote: ''If you don't have a temporary site travellers can almost park up wherever they like'' And what, pray, separates these people from the rest of us who can't park up wherever we like? And before anyone starts on about their ethnic status, how is this defined, and how do we know the groups that have turned up this week qualify?[/p][/quote]Well, there is a gov.uk petition set up asking for their ethnic minority status to be removed but, despite venting on here & on other articles in the Echo about travellers, the majority of people seem unwilling to sign the petition. http://epetitions.di rect.gov.uk/petition s/61822[/p][/quote]Signed, but still only showing 60 signatures online so not sure if it is working correctly (I did check after email verification). If their own country doesn't recognize their 'ethnicity' I don't see why we should, I only ever see them bringing problems/costs whenever they visit. Feel free to correct me if they bring something positive to the area that I don't know about. I wouldn't have signed it if I didn't see this being unfair to people not in their ethnic group (we have to pay to park, have our rubbish collected and pay for any damage we cause). I am really only signing because the the authorities seem to do very little about these problems. I feel sorry for the original gypsies/Romanies who get lumped in with these people. The ones I have known in the past have been the most wonderful people you could wish to meet. sunnybournemouth
  • Score: 4

6:21pm Thu 15 May 14

Jo__Go says...

Baysider wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.
DCC don't have to bear the cost. If the law were to be changed, it would be perfectly feasible for Poole to buy a suitable plot of land outside of its boundaries and manage it as a TSP. Conceivably, Poole, Bournemouth, and Dorset could share the cost and have equal access to the site. Such an arrangement would benefit all, and be a far more effective deterrent/solution than the current situation, where travellers could hop from one authority's patch to another.

LA boundaries are meaningless to travellers, and the current law is an ****; by all means require provision for travellers (though I'm blowed if I see why they should be favoured over local homeless) but get rid of the pointless requirement for the provision to be within the authority's boundary.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.[/p][/quote]I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.[/p][/quote]DCC don't have to bear the cost. If the law were to be changed, it would be perfectly feasible for Poole to buy a suitable plot of land outside of its boundaries and manage it as a TSP. Conceivably, Poole, Bournemouth, and Dorset could share the cost and have equal access to the site. Such an arrangement would benefit all, and be a far more effective deterrent/solution than the current situation, where travellers could hop from one authority's patch to another. LA boundaries are meaningless to travellers, and the current law is an ****; by all means require provision for travellers (though I'm blowed if I see why they should be favoured over local homeless) but get rid of the pointless requirement for the provision to be within the authority's boundary. Jo__Go
  • Score: 3

6:39pm Thu 15 May 14

Bob49 says...

HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
[quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job. Bob49
  • Score: -3

6:51pm Thu 15 May 14

kalebmoledirt says...

Throw the question out to the Electorate.And the Gypsy council.
(Forget the the bunch that we took time out to elect) what exactly does the discerning not tax paying travelling chap want out of life.we know it must be free,have all the facilities of a modern holiday park .lavs .pub, washing facilities.medical and social workers on tap.Not too fussed about the tarmac drive they can sort that for a price.hope the schools is not over subscribed with working class kids( don't want to corrupt the children with socially acceptable values) Just a thought.
Throw the question out to the Electorate.And the Gypsy council. (Forget the the bunch that we took time out to elect) what exactly does the discerning not tax paying travelling chap want out of life.we know it must be free,have all the facilities of a modern holiday park .lavs .pub, washing facilities.medical and social workers on tap.Not too fussed about the tarmac drive they can sort that for a price.hope the schools is not over subscribed with working class kids( don't want to corrupt the children with socially acceptable values) Just a thought. kalebmoledirt
  • Score: -1

6:51pm Thu 15 May 14

JustForPoole says...

RT1066 wrote:
JustForPoole wrote:
Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!!
You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not!
Coming from law enforcement .... I do .... there is a multitude of actions that can be taken for a wide and vast variety of offences .... how many arrests last year? How many charged last year? How many convictions last year? Homework time RT1066
[quote][p][bold]RT1066[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustForPoole[/bold] wrote: Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!![/p][/quote]You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not![/p][/quote]Coming from law enforcement .... I do .... there is a multitude of actions that can be taken for a wide and vast variety of offences .... how many arrests last year? How many charged last year? How many convictions last year? Homework time RT1066 JustForPoole
  • Score: 4

7:03pm Thu 15 May 14

muscliffman says...

Bob49 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work.

Perhaps you have missed that bit!
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.[/p][/quote]UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work. Perhaps you have missed that bit! muscliffman
  • Score: 3

8:07pm Thu 15 May 14

poolebabe says...

Baysider wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.
"Poole's travelers"??? Are they really? They only belong where they pitch up. This is the difference between what's right and what isn't. They decide where they go, everywhere else has to accommodate if/when they decide to drop by, fund the transit sites, clear up after their trespassing and pay to protect from tresspassing. All because of a lifestyle choice that has a ethnic status. It's all if if if. We have to walk on egg shells as not to offend, but it's ok if we are offended or intruded upon. No one has the guts to tackle it. It's not right. Not when we have other, more worthy causes in need of the funding they zap. These aren't poor hard done by people. They certainly aren't vulnerable either, and if anything, they are racist. They don't much like town folk, and struggle to live within our laws, but they are the laws of the land, they should not be exempt!
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.[/p][/quote]I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.[/p][/quote]"Poole's travelers"??? Are they really? They only belong where they pitch up. This is the difference between what's right and what isn't. They decide where they go, everywhere else has to accommodate if/when they decide to drop by, fund the transit sites, clear up after their trespassing and pay to protect from tresspassing. All because of a lifestyle choice that has a ethnic status. It's all if if if. We have to walk on egg shells as not to offend, but it's ok if we are offended or intruded upon. No one has the guts to tackle it. It's not right. Not when we have other, more worthy causes in need of the funding they zap. These aren't poor hard done by people. They certainly aren't vulnerable either, and if anything, they are racist. They don't much like town folk, and struggle to live within our laws, but they are the laws of the land, they should not be exempt! poolebabe
  • Score: 1

8:20pm Thu 15 May 14

cromwell9 says...

PabloEstrella wrote:
Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).
That site was so contaminated at Creekmore,Even if it was built .the travellers said they would not use it .
So before you make anymore silly comments ,I sugest you check your facts first.
[quote][p][bold]PabloEstrella[/bold] wrote: Well done to all the Nimby's who voted against the two official travellers sites in Creekmoor/Poole. If any of them complain about the travellers taking over Baiter then they are the complete hypocrites we believed them to be. (I don't suppose they'll complain until the travellers turn up on Broadstone Rec. in a week or two).[/p][/quote]That site was so contaminated at Creekmore,Even if it was built .the travellers said they would not use it . So before you make anymore silly comments ,I sugest you check your facts first. cromwell9
  • Score: -2

8:23pm Thu 15 May 14

cromwell9 says...

kalebmoledirt wrote:
Are the caravans inflatable that are inflated when they sneak onto the same sites that they annually invade.or are the traffic cops hiding in the bushes with a speed guns while the travellers slip into town.you get the impression that as long as they stay away from the expensive area's then let them pitch wherever they want.How long would they be allowed to stay in Canford Cliffs
There is avery nice LARGE car park in Canford Cliffs .
I bet iff they turned up there .They would be shown the door before they could hang their washing out.
[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote: Are the caravans inflatable that are inflated when they sneak onto the same sites that they annually invade.or are the traffic cops hiding in the bushes with a speed guns while the travellers slip into town.you get the impression that as long as they stay away from the expensive area's then let them pitch wherever they want.How long would they be allowed to stay in Canford Cliffs[/p][/quote]There is avery nice LARGE car park in Canford Cliffs . I bet iff they turned up there .They would be shown the door before they could hang their washing out. cromwell9
  • Score: 1

8:27pm Thu 15 May 14

cromwell9 says...

RT1066 wrote:
JustForPoole wrote:
Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!!
You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not!
Change the law then ,
[quote][p][bold]RT1066[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustForPoole[/bold] wrote: Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!![/p][/quote]You obviously do not understand the law - the police can only move them on if there is a temporary stopping site, if everyone stopped being NIMBY's we could get this sorted once and for all. You cannot expect Police to act outside of the law just because you want them to. people moan if they do something wrong and now moaning because they are not![/p][/quote]Change the law then , cromwell9
  • Score: 0

8:36pm Thu 15 May 14

cromwell9 says...

pete woodley wrote:
I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.
Yes there is .But not for the likes of them .
The land we have at Creekmore is reserved for hard working people,Who pay their taxes ,obay the law ,and bring up their young familys ,in a decent way ,with all the proper values,
So iff any person has any more ideas like Pete Woodley ,They can forget them.
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.[/p][/quote]Yes there is .But not for the likes of them . The land we have at Creekmore is reserved for hard working people,Who pay their taxes ,obay the law ,and bring up their young familys ,in a decent way ,with all the proper values, So iff any person has any more ideas like Pete Woodley ,They can forget them. cromwell9
  • Score: 0

8:39pm Thu 15 May 14

cromwell9 says...

Bob49 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
Hello Bob 49,
We meet again,
Still voting LIB DEM .
OK.
[quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.[/p][/quote]Hello Bob 49, We meet again, Still voting LIB DEM . OK. cromwell9
  • Score: -1

8:41pm Thu 15 May 14

cromwell9 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work.

Perhaps you have missed that bit!
You are having a laugh mate.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.[/p][/quote]UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work. Perhaps you have missed that bit![/p][/quote]You are having a laugh mate. cromwell9
  • Score: -7

9:20pm Thu 15 May 14

muscliffman says...

cromwell9 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work.

Perhaps you have missed that bit!
You are having a laugh mate.
What laugh?

If the UK left the EU, a UKIP objective, there would be no British MEPs, including their own!
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.[/p][/quote]UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work. Perhaps you have missed that bit![/p][/quote]You are having a laugh mate.[/p][/quote]What laugh? If the UK left the EU, a UKIP objective, there would be no British MEPs, including their own! muscliffman
  • Score: 3

9:48pm Thu 15 May 14

BIGTONE says...

pete woodley wrote:
I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.
There is......but...the tide comes in twice a day!
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: I still reckon there is plenty of space at Creekmoor.[/p][/quote]There is......but...the tide comes in twice a day! BIGTONE
  • Score: 3

10:22pm Thu 15 May 14

Bob49 says...

muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work.

Perhaps you have missed that bit!
They are 'out of work' as the lazy parasites don't turn up to work - simply poncing money off the rest of us. Much as the shyster Farage does.

I strongly disagree with these so called 'travellers' pitching their caravans on public land, so I would be hardly ikely to take money from them. Perhaps someone should explain the principle behind that thought to Farage
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.[/p][/quote]UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work. Perhaps you have missed that bit![/p][/quote]They are 'out of work' as the lazy parasites don't turn up to work - simply poncing money off the rest of us. Much as the shyster Farage does. I strongly disagree with these so called 'travellers' pitching their caravans on public land, so I would be hardly ikely to take money from them. Perhaps someone should explain the principle behind that thought to Farage Bob49
  • Score: -3

11:05pm Thu 15 May 14

skippy123 says...

is it just me or have other people noticed the have set up camps next to children play areas. If you tried to do that you would be arrested for being a Paedophile
is it just me or have other people noticed the have set up camps next to children play areas. If you tried to do that you would be arrested for being a Paedophile skippy123
  • Score: 1

10:23am Fri 16 May 14

TheDistrict says...

Baysider wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.
I am not showing my basic ignorance, in fact I am not ignorant to the facts at all. We talk of ethnics, and that we must not place these people in such a category, or talk of them as such, yet we have our rights taken away from us because of their illegal encampments, denying us our rights of use. No one is talking of council tax, my gripe is the fact the DCC are in away blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth to have TSP in place on ground that we do not have. Yet Dorset as a whole has acres, thousands of acres of land unused. Would it really hurt DCC to think along the lines of a Unity site, where all three councils could fund such sites. However, if it means keeping such people out of public areas and denying them their so called right to encamp wherever they like, then I would be happy that part of my council tax would be spent on such a project. Which ever way one looks at it, whether we are a Unity Council, or part of Dorset, Dorset is our county and I beleive we have as much right of what goes on in Dorset as we do in our towns. Lets face it the Parish Councils around the county have their say against DCC.

Bob49; what is your gripe about Daily Mailers. If you know the facts, the so called truth then why not place it here yourself.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.[/p][/quote]I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.[/p][/quote]I am not showing my basic ignorance, in fact I am not ignorant to the facts at all. We talk of ethnics, and that we must not place these people in such a category, or talk of them as such, yet we have our rights taken away from us because of their illegal encampments, denying us our rights of use. No one is talking of council tax, my gripe is the fact the DCC are in away blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth to have TSP in place on ground that we do not have. Yet Dorset as a whole has acres, thousands of acres of land unused. Would it really hurt DCC to think along the lines of a Unity site, where all three councils could fund such sites. However, if it means keeping such people out of public areas and denying them their so called right to encamp wherever they like, then I would be happy that part of my council tax would be spent on such a project. Which ever way one looks at it, whether we are a Unity Council, or part of Dorset, Dorset is our county and I beleive we have as much right of what goes on in Dorset as we do in our towns. Lets face it the Parish Councils around the county have their say against DCC. Bob49; what is your gripe about Daily Mailers. If you know the facts, the so called truth then why not place it here yourself. TheDistrict
  • Score: 0

11:19am Fri 16 May 14

AdelaidePete says...

Where do they go in winter?
Where do they go in winter? AdelaidePete
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Fri 16 May 14

poolebabe says...

TheDistrict wrote:
Baysider wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.
I am not showing my basic ignorance, in fact I am not ignorant to the facts at all. We talk of ethnics, and that we must not place these people in such a category, or talk of them as such, yet we have our rights taken away from us because of their illegal encampments, denying us our rights of use. No one is talking of council tax, my gripe is the fact the DCC are in away blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth to have TSP in place on ground that we do not have. Yet Dorset as a whole has acres, thousands of acres of land unused. Would it really hurt DCC to think along the lines of a Unity site, where all three councils could fund such sites. However, if it means keeping such people out of public areas and denying them their so called right to encamp wherever they like, then I would be happy that part of my council tax would be spent on such a project. Which ever way one looks at it, whether we are a Unity Council, or part of Dorset, Dorset is our county and I beleive we have as much right of what goes on in Dorset as we do in our towns. Lets face it the Parish Councils around the county have their say against DCC.

Bob49; what is your gripe about Daily Mailers. If you know the facts, the so called truth then why not place it here yourself.
Quite agree. These aren't "poole travelers" if there is space in Dorset then why not? Or, the mannings heath site. Why not let their mates park up there? Or why do they have their own site, segregated, when thousands are waiting for housing? The whole thing gets my goat now. Why do they always park up in a place to cause maximum fuss? Why didn't they park up creekmoor? It's empty right now? Oh no. Park in a place that causes the biggest problem that the public want to use but can't. They wonder why they don't have support from the public. It will never be enough for them.
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.[/p][/quote]I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.[/p][/quote]I am not showing my basic ignorance, in fact I am not ignorant to the facts at all. We talk of ethnics, and that we must not place these people in such a category, or talk of them as such, yet we have our rights taken away from us because of their illegal encampments, denying us our rights of use. No one is talking of council tax, my gripe is the fact the DCC are in away blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth to have TSP in place on ground that we do not have. Yet Dorset as a whole has acres, thousands of acres of land unused. Would it really hurt DCC to think along the lines of a Unity site, where all three councils could fund such sites. However, if it means keeping such people out of public areas and denying them their so called right to encamp wherever they like, then I would be happy that part of my council tax would be spent on such a project. Which ever way one looks at it, whether we are a Unity Council, or part of Dorset, Dorset is our county and I beleive we have as much right of what goes on in Dorset as we do in our towns. Lets face it the Parish Councils around the county have their say against DCC. Bob49; what is your gripe about Daily Mailers. If you know the facts, the so called truth then why not place it here yourself.[/p][/quote]Quite agree. These aren't "poole travelers" if there is space in Dorset then why not? Or, the mannings heath site. Why not let their mates park up there? Or why do they have their own site, segregated, when thousands are waiting for housing? The whole thing gets my goat now. Why do they always park up in a place to cause maximum fuss? Why didn't they park up creekmoor? It's empty right now? Oh no. Park in a place that causes the biggest problem that the public want to use but can't. They wonder why they don't have support from the public. It will never be enough for them. poolebabe
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6:29pm Fri 16 May 14

Jo__Go says...

poolebabe wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Baysider wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Carolyn43 wrote:
TheDistrict wrote:
Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine.

Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation.

Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.
Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities.
.....
Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.
I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.
I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.
I am not showing my basic ignorance, in fact I am not ignorant to the facts at all. We talk of ethnics, and that we must not place these people in such a category, or talk of them as such, yet we have our rights taken away from us because of their illegal encampments, denying us our rights of use. No one is talking of council tax, my gripe is the fact the DCC are in away blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth to have TSP in place on ground that we do not have. Yet Dorset as a whole has acres, thousands of acres of land unused. Would it really hurt DCC to think along the lines of a Unity site, where all three councils could fund such sites. However, if it means keeping such people out of public areas and denying them their so called right to encamp wherever they like, then I would be happy that part of my council tax would be spent on such a project. Which ever way one looks at it, whether we are a Unity Council, or part of Dorset, Dorset is our county and I beleive we have as much right of what goes on in Dorset as we do in our towns. Lets face it the Parish Councils around the county have their say against DCC.

Bob49; what is your gripe about Daily Mailers. If you know the facts, the so called truth then why not place it here yourself.
Quite agree. These aren't "poole travelers" if there is space in Dorset then why not? Or, the mannings heath site. Why not let their mates park up there? Or why do they have their own site, segregated, when thousands are waiting for housing? The whole thing gets my goat now. Why do they always park up in a place to cause maximum fuss? Why didn't they park up creekmoor? It's empty right now? Oh no. Park in a place that causes the biggest problem that the public want to use but can't. They wonder why they don't have support from the public. It will never be enough for them.
Creekmoor don't want them either!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]poolebabe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote: Lets drop this ethnic rubbish, these people are no more enthic than I am, yet I am not allowed to park my caravan on Baiter, Whitecliff, Branksome, Kings Park, or anywhere else other than a pay to park caravan camp. Perhaps I should use my human rights and insist that I can holiday for free at any public park I like. A week or ten days before the eviction should be fine. Britain, it is time to get real and stop allowing this ethnic clap trap to overule our nation. Finally, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth Councils into finding a Temp Campsite for Travellers by not allowing two DORSET Towns to transfer illegal camping travellers to the established temporary sites within our county.[/p][/quote]Dorset doesn't have to allow Poole or Bournemouth use their site - we are three separate authorities. ..... Could it be argued, even loosely, that these traveller arrive by road and, as roads are the responsibility of Dorset County Council, therefore travellers are the responsibility of Dorset? No, I didn't think so.[/p][/quote]I do not think I actually said Dorset has to let Poole and Bournemouth use of temp sites. What I said was, is Cllr Finney blackmailing Bournemouth and Poole into getting their own temp sites. The problem then arises, where, where will these sites be. Dorset as a county is bigger than Poole and Bournemouth. Do you honestly think had the Creekmoor sites gone ahead, that Dorset would have left them alone. Of course not. Poole and Bournemouth might be unity councils, but as I said before we are all part of Dorset, Dorset is our county, the Dorset flag is flown from both towns. If we want to rid our towns of such, we can do anything we please because we are an ethnic minority, type people, then Dorset needs to open up and let land go free for such sites.[/p][/quote]I think you are showing your basic ignorance of the situation. Why should Dorset County Council bear the cost of accommodating Poole's travellers? Would you be happy paying your council tax towards providing a site in case they turn up in Weymouth? Years ago there might have been an arrangement in place but it's not going to happen now with the current laws and financial situation.[/p][/quote]I am not showing my basic ignorance, in fact I am not ignorant to the facts at all. We talk of ethnics, and that we must not place these people in such a category, or talk of them as such, yet we have our rights taken away from us because of their illegal encampments, denying us our rights of use. No one is talking of council tax, my gripe is the fact the DCC are in away blackmailing Poole and Bournemouth to have TSP in place on ground that we do not have. Yet Dorset as a whole has acres, thousands of acres of land unused. Would it really hurt DCC to think along the lines of a Unity site, where all three councils could fund such sites. However, if it means keeping such people out of public areas and denying them their so called right to encamp wherever they like, then I would be happy that part of my council tax would be spent on such a project. Which ever way one looks at it, whether we are a Unity Council, or part of Dorset, Dorset is our county and I beleive we have as much right of what goes on in Dorset as we do in our towns. Lets face it the Parish Councils around the county have their say against DCC. Bob49; what is your gripe about Daily Mailers. If you know the facts, the so called truth then why not place it here yourself.[/p][/quote]Quite agree. These aren't "poole travelers" if there is space in Dorset then why not? Or, the mannings heath site. Why not let their mates park up there? Or why do they have their own site, segregated, when thousands are waiting for housing? The whole thing gets my goat now. Why do they always park up in a place to cause maximum fuss? Why didn't they park up creekmoor? It's empty right now? Oh no. Park in a place that causes the biggest problem that the public want to use but can't. They wonder why they don't have support from the public. It will never be enough for them.[/p][/quote]Creekmoor don't want them either!!!!!!!!! Jo__Go
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8:46pm Fri 16 May 14

davecook says...

JustForPoole wrote:
Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!!
Remember Martyn was voted into power in a ridiculous alternative vote system devised by the Lib Dems where everybody voted for their own first choice, and most who voted Lib/Lab/Con put Martyn down as the second choice as obviously nobody would vote for an opposition party. So we ended up with an ex copper representing us as a link with the police. Hopefully the nest time we get a vote, it will be a proper vote and we'll get someone who represents at least some of us, rather than virtually none of us.
[quote][p][bold]JustForPoole[/bold] wrote: Is it time for that totally useless Police Commissioner Martyn Underhill to play hide and seek again ...whilst his spineless Police Force do the sum total of nothing!!![/p][/quote]Remember Martyn was voted into power in a ridiculous alternative vote system devised by the Lib Dems where everybody voted for their own first choice, and most who voted Lib/Lab/Con put Martyn down as the second choice as obviously nobody would vote for an opposition party. So we ended up with an ex copper representing us as a link with the police. Hopefully the nest time we get a vote, it will be a proper vote and we'll get someone who represents at least some of us, rather than virtually none of us. davecook
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11:14am Mon 19 May 14

stevobath says...

muscliffman wrote:
cromwell9 wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
Bob49 wrote:
HRH of Boscombe wrote:
Another good reason to vote UKIP.
.
A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.
But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances.

Money grabbing hypocrites.

We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.
UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work.

Perhaps you have missed that bit!
You are having a laugh mate.
What laugh?

If the UK left the EU, a UKIP objective, there would be no British MEPs, including their own!
The irony is UKIP MEP's don't bother voting in EU Parliament!
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HRH of Boscombe[/bold] wrote: Another good reason to vote UKIP. . A party with some backbone and we will be able to change our laws regarding these menaces.[/p][/quote]But not enough bavckbone to actually turn up to the Parliament, just stuffing their pockets with expenses and allowances. Money grabbing hypocrites. We need to change the law and that won't be done by those who can't be ar sed to turn up when they are paid to do a job.[/p][/quote]UKIP's MEPs are campaigning for what they genuinely believe are the best interests of the UK, if they are successful in their aims they will of course have achieved their own redundancies and all of them will be out of work. Perhaps you have missed that bit![/p][/quote]You are having a laugh mate.[/p][/quote]What laugh? If the UK left the EU, a UKIP objective, there would be no British MEPs, including their own![/p][/quote]The irony is UKIP MEP's don't bother voting in EU Parliament! stevobath
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3:51pm Mon 19 May 14

Dorset Logic says...

skippy123 wrote:
is it just me or have other people noticed the have set up camps next to children play areas. If you tried to do that you would be arrested for being a Paedophile
its just you
[quote][p][bold]skippy123[/bold] wrote: is it just me or have other people noticed the have set up camps next to children play areas. If you tried to do that you would be arrested for being a Paedophile[/p][/quote]its just you Dorset Logic
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