Canford Cliff residents call for more support from Poole council over stag and hen ‘party houses’

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WORRIED residents packed out a meeting to voice concerns about the so-called ‘party houses’ in Poole’s Canford Cliffs.

The ongoing issue, highlighted in Parliament by Poole MP Robert Syms earlier this month, has left some local residents at loggerheads with Borough of Poole officials.

Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes, in one of Poole’s most expensive postcode areas, are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties.

Complaints include loud music all night, sex workers arriving at mansions in the early hours, blow up sex toys being paraded in the daytime and other anti-social behaviour.

Canford Cliffs resident Terence Stewart said around 100 people attended Saturday’s neighbour-hood association meeting .

He added: “Dorset Crime Commissioner Martyn Underhill and Robert Syms attended and we feel they are being very supportive. But we’re not getting the support we need, right now, from our local council.”

According to Mr Stewart, residents feel one way to combat the issue – as there is nothing illegal about privately renting out homes on a short term basis – could be through local planning regulations, particularly those concerning change of use.

He also said an impending Parliamentary Act, regarding anti-social behaviour, could help – but it is not due to come into force until October.

“This leaves many residents facing the prospect of having the whole of this summer totally disrupted every weekend,” he explained.

Borough of Poole’s cabinet holder for the environment, Cllr Xena Dion, has held meetings of service heads and neighbourhood police on the issue.

But, she explained: “The letting agent is acting legally, the people coming to the houses are acting legally. We are sympathetic to the affected neighbours but there is a limit to what our powers are.”

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6:51am Wed 30 Apr 14

Phixer says...

"Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties."

If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.
"Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties." If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party. Phixer
  • Score: 12

6:58am Wed 30 Apr 14

ashleycross says...

Phixer wrote:
"Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties."

If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.
Quite-any lawyer who has said that there is nothing illegal about this type of activity should be named and shamed.
They shouldn't be taxed but prosecuted and fined.
The residents should be complaining to the parliamentary ombudsman for local government over the lack of prosecution for the use of these houses as commercial premises.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties." If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.[/p][/quote]Quite-any lawyer who has said that there is nothing illegal about this type of activity should be named and shamed. They shouldn't be taxed but prosecuted and fined. The residents should be complaining to the parliamentary ombudsman for local government over the lack of prosecution for the use of these houses as commercial premises. ashleycross
  • Score: 8

8:52am Wed 30 Apr 14

Franks Tank says...

Robert Syms gets his name in the paper - must be an election soon.
Robert Syms gets his name in the paper - must be an election soon. Franks Tank
  • Score: 10

9:10am Wed 30 Apr 14

Townee says...

What makes these people any different to the residents of Winton and Charminster? who have had to put up with late night parties and anti social behaviour for over 10 years. They have had to put up with students from the University in privately rented houses, many are 3 or 4 bed but have many more living in them.
The answer to my question is THEY HAVE MONEY AND MONEY TALKS.
We have lost hundreds of family home to the greedy landlords who take advantage of students looking for places to live. They will only let to students because they make more money than if they let to a family.
SOME OF THESE GREEDY LANDLORD LIVE IN CANFORD CLIFFS, so suck it up as we have to.
What makes these people any different to the residents of Winton and Charminster? who have had to put up with late night parties and anti social behaviour for over 10 years. They have had to put up with students from the University in privately rented houses, many are 3 or 4 bed but have many more living in them. The answer to my question is THEY HAVE MONEY AND MONEY TALKS. We have lost hundreds of family home to the greedy landlords who take advantage of students looking for places to live. They will only let to students because they make more money than if they let to a family. SOME OF THESE GREEDY LANDLORD LIVE IN CANFORD CLIFFS, so suck it up as we have to. Townee
  • Score: 6

9:14am Wed 30 Apr 14

SuperKamiGuru says...

At the end of the day it is true there is nothing illegal there, and its not every weekend, after a freedom of information request I have found that complaints to Poole council were very few and very far between and most of them occurring outside the summer months. Just because its a nice area, partys still happen, you are located near the beach, if you cant cope with holidaymakers or others wishing to visit, leave, simple.
At the end of the day it is true there is nothing illegal there, and its not every weekend, after a freedom of information request I have found that complaints to Poole council were very few and very far between and most of them occurring outside the summer months. Just because its a nice area, partys still happen, you are located near the beach, if you cant cope with holidaymakers or others wishing to visit, leave, simple. SuperKamiGuru
  • Score: 2

9:34am Wed 30 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

According to Mr Stewart, residents feel one way to combat the issue – as there is nothing illegal about privately renting out homes on a short term basis – could be through local planning regulations, particularly those concerning change of use.


An easy way round that is rent to a member of your family. The rest of them are his/her friends. End of!
According to Mr Stewart, residents feel one way to combat the issue – as there is nothing illegal about privately renting out homes on a short term basis – could be through local planning regulations, particularly those concerning change of use. An easy way round that is rent to a member of your family. The rest of them are his/her friends. End of! BIGTONE
  • Score: 3

10:45am Wed 30 Apr 14

attra says...

Phixer wrote:
"Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties."

If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.
I can give you 100% confirmation that this IS true! I live next one of these houses in a quiet residential road and every weekend we have 15-20 party goers + those they invite + average 6 cars coming and going in the driveway all weekend + regular pick ups/drop offs by a mini bus + a novelty guest appearance by a choice of: large catering truck/naked chef/salsa dancing teacher/cocktail maker (and we are only starting High Season) We are sick of the Council telling us that it is 'legal' / that the party goers are 'legal'. We are not stupid - we understand. As a keen gardener there is plenty of 'legal' noise I could make with garden equipment all weekend long if I wished, but it would make my neighbours lives miserable in the process and I wouldn't dream of being so anti-social.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties." If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.[/p][/quote]I can give you 100% confirmation that this IS true! I live next one of these houses in a quiet residential road and every weekend we have 15-20 party goers + those they invite + average 6 cars coming and going in the driveway all weekend + regular pick ups/drop offs by a mini bus + a novelty guest appearance by a choice of: large catering truck/naked chef/salsa dancing teacher/cocktail maker (and we are only starting High Season) We are sick of the Council telling us that it is 'legal' / that the party goers are 'legal'. We are not stupid - we understand. As a keen gardener there is plenty of 'legal' noise I could make with garden equipment all weekend long if I wished, but it would make my neighbours lives miserable in the process and I wouldn't dream of being so anti-social. attra
  • Score: 9

10:56am Wed 30 Apr 14

liveinpeace says...

Townee wrote:
What makes these people any different to the residents of Winton and Charminster? who have had to put up with late night parties and anti social behaviour for over 10 years. They have had to put up with students from the University in privately rented houses, many are 3 or 4 bed but have many more living in them.
The answer to my question is THEY HAVE MONEY AND MONEY TALKS.
We have lost hundreds of family home to the greedy landlords who take advantage of students looking for places to live. They will only let to students because they make more money than if they let to a family.
SOME OF THESE GREEDY LANDLORD LIVE IN CANFORD CLIFFS, so suck it up as we have to.
One difference is that the people living down there have shown a 'can do' attitude rather that a 'can moan' one!
[quote][p][bold]Townee[/bold] wrote: What makes these people any different to the residents of Winton and Charminster? who have had to put up with late night parties and anti social behaviour for over 10 years. They have had to put up with students from the University in privately rented houses, many are 3 or 4 bed but have many more living in them. The answer to my question is THEY HAVE MONEY AND MONEY TALKS. We have lost hundreds of family home to the greedy landlords who take advantage of students looking for places to live. They will only let to students because they make more money than if they let to a family. SOME OF THESE GREEDY LANDLORD LIVE IN CANFORD CLIFFS, so suck it up as we have to.[/p][/quote]One difference is that the people living down there have shown a 'can do' attitude rather that a 'can moan' one! liveinpeace
  • Score: 8

11:37am Wed 30 Apr 14

Plumber64 says...

This is a problem that has occurred all over the UK ,lets hope that some good comes of this . It not fair on family across the country .
Let hope it gets sorted .
This is a problem that has occurred all over the UK ,lets hope that some good comes of this . It not fair on family across the country . Let hope it gets sorted . Plumber64
  • Score: 9

2:59pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Mad Karew says...

Mr Stewart commented that he wasn't getting the support he needed from the local council. Not too surprising now that the Council leader has decided to scrap public engagement after sacking the portfolioholder Judy Butt who was making it work successfully.

Good strategy to not talk to the electors with a local election impending.
Mr Stewart commented that he wasn't getting the support he needed from the local council. Not too surprising now that the Council leader has decided to scrap public engagement after sacking the portfolioholder Judy Butt who was making it work successfully. Good strategy to not talk to the electors with a local election impending. Mad Karew
  • Score: 6

4:07pm Wed 30 Apr 14

fairandsquared says...

Poor whining Canford Cliffs , people living around Ashley cross get this every night, it's called normal noise. If Terry Stewart is involved it is just an excuse for him to get some attention. Is anyone doing anything wrong here or is it really just a neighbour dispute. I get more noise from my neighbours screaming children night and day I wonder if I can get them banned?
Poor whining Canford Cliffs , people living around Ashley cross get this every night, it's called normal noise. If Terry Stewart is involved it is just an excuse for him to get some attention. Is anyone doing anything wrong here or is it really just a neighbour dispute. I get more noise from my neighbours screaming children night and day I wonder if I can get them banned? fairandsquared
  • Score: -5

5:00pm Wed 30 Apr 14

Sir Beachy Head says...

WORRIED residents packed out a meeting to voice concerns about the so-called ‘party houses’ in Poole’s Canford Cliffs

..........

Oh well. It at least gave the neighbours a chance to say hello to each other for the first time ever.
WORRIED residents packed out a meeting to voice concerns about the so-called ‘party houses’ in Poole’s Canford Cliffs .......... Oh well. It at least gave the neighbours a chance to say hello to each other for the first time ever. Sir Beachy Head
  • Score: -2

5:02pm Wed 30 Apr 14

apm1954 says...

must be awful living in such an area, welcome to the real world.
must be awful living in such an area, welcome to the real world. apm1954
  • Score: -5

9:49pm Wed 30 Apr 14

ashleycross says...

attra wrote:
Phixer wrote:
"Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties."

If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.
I can give you 100% confirmation that this IS true! I live next one of these houses in a quiet residential road and every weekend we have 15-20 party goers + those they invite + average 6 cars coming and going in the driveway all weekend + regular pick ups/drop offs by a mini bus + a novelty guest appearance by a choice of: large catering truck/naked chef/salsa dancing teacher/cocktail maker (and we are only starting High Season) We are sick of the Council telling us that it is 'legal' / that the party goers are 'legal'. We are not stupid - we understand. As a keen gardener there is plenty of 'legal' noise I could make with garden equipment all weekend long if I wished, but it would make my neighbours lives miserable in the process and I wouldn't dream of being so anti-social.
I hope that you will complain to the parliamentary ombudsman for local government for the lack of prosecution for breach of planning laws.
[quote][p][bold]attra[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: "Neighbours describe a situation where privately-rented homes ... are being offered on short-term leases for the purpose of raves, stag and hen parties." If that is true, that is a commercial business in a residential area. Slap business taxes and council tax on them and let them prove that there wasn't any financial reward for hosting a party.[/p][/quote]I can give you 100% confirmation that this IS true! I live next one of these houses in a quiet residential road and every weekend we have 15-20 party goers + those they invite + average 6 cars coming and going in the driveway all weekend + regular pick ups/drop offs by a mini bus + a novelty guest appearance by a choice of: large catering truck/naked chef/salsa dancing teacher/cocktail maker (and we are only starting High Season) We are sick of the Council telling us that it is 'legal' / that the party goers are 'legal'. We are not stupid - we understand. As a keen gardener there is plenty of 'legal' noise I could make with garden equipment all weekend long if I wished, but it would make my neighbours lives miserable in the process and I wouldn't dream of being so anti-social.[/p][/quote]I hope that you will complain to the parliamentary ombudsman for local government for the lack of prosecution for breach of planning laws. ashleycross
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Wed 30 Apr 14

ashleycross says...

fairandsquared wrote:
Poor whining Canford Cliffs , people living around Ashley cross get this every night, it's called normal noise. If Terry Stewart is involved it is just an excuse for him to get some attention. Is anyone doing anything wrong here or is it really just a neighbour dispute. I get more noise from my neighbours screaming children night and day I wonder if I can get them banned?
Can't do anything about the children I'm afraid, but if you're getting loud music from a pub or bar you can get the music making equipment plugged into a sound limiter. I'm trying to get the door staff working on Ashley Cross to set a good example to customers by keeping their own voices down.
[quote][p][bold]fairandsquared[/bold] wrote: Poor whining Canford Cliffs , people living around Ashley cross get this every night, it's called normal noise. If Terry Stewart is involved it is just an excuse for him to get some attention. Is anyone doing anything wrong here or is it really just a neighbour dispute. I get more noise from my neighbours screaming children night and day I wonder if I can get them banned?[/p][/quote]Can't do anything about the children I'm afraid, but if you're getting loud music from a pub or bar you can get the music making equipment plugged into a sound limiter. I'm trying to get the door staff working on Ashley Cross to set a good example to customers by keeping their own voices down. ashleycross
  • Score: 1

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