Bournemouth council's cycle initiative turned down for government funding

Bournemouth's £1m scheme to cut casualties and promote cycling that the government won't fund

Bournemouth's £1m scheme to cut casualties and promote cycling that the government won't fund

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A £1.2m scheme to promote safer cycling and other alternatives to the car in Bournemouth has failed to attract government money.

Bournemouth Borough Council had applied for £820,000 from the Department for Transport towards its BESMArTER initiative, which was intended to build upon plans already being implemented.

Measures to reduce casualties among vulnerable road users would have included training for young pedestrians and for adult cyclists and motorcyclists.

There would also have been a media campaign to encourage road users to "respect each other‟s needs".

See the full bid here

The package also proposed marketing campaigns, work with employers on producing travel plans, a workplace cycle challenge, cycling festivals and a car club.

The "Boris bike" cycle loan scheme running at Bournemouth University would have been expanded to other locations and there would also have been accessibility improvements such as new crossings and improved links on key commuter routes.

The council's original BESMArT campaign had already attracted millions in funding to develop a cycle highway and new bus routes and build a velodrome at Slades Farm.

Ian Kalra, transportation services manager at the council, said the news was “very disappointing” but the council had already done well to secure £20m from government towards sustainable travel.

“We remain committed to improving road safety and will continue to implement various measures in order to make travel easier, safer and more attractive across the town,” he added.

Cllr Michael Filer, Bournemouth's cabinet member for transport, said: “The town is undergoing enormous changes in roads, junctions, cycle lanes and general moves to allow safer, quicker and more sustainable transport throughout the area. The evidence is on the ground at the moment, particularly in Castle Lane West.”

He said it was important to encourage cycling, especially as a route to school. “If we can get 500 students cycling to school, it will save 2,000 car journeys by parents collecting and delivering,” he said.

Jason Falconer, from the Bournemouth Cycling Forum, welcomed the work the council was already doing but said it was disappointing the latest package had failed to win support.

He said the amounts spent on cycling were “peanuts” compared with road-building schemes. “Our well-meaning local councillors are playing by the rules that the national government's imposed,” he said.

The rejection came at the same time as the government refused £1.1m towards the latest phase of the Three Towns Travel Choices plan proposed by Bournemouth, Poole and Dorset councils.

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5:57am Fri 18 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

He said the amounts spent on cycling were “peanuts” compared with road-building schemes. “Our well-meaning local councillors are playing by the rules that the national government's imposed,” ...... and the amount being spent on roads is peanuts compared with the £44 billion raised by the combination of taxes paid by motorists!
He said the amounts spent on cycling were “peanuts” compared with road-building schemes. “Our well-meaning local councillors are playing by the rules that the national government's imposed,” ...... and the amount being spent on roads is peanuts compared with the £44 billion raised by the combination of taxes paid by motorists! fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: -8

6:05am Fri 18 Jul 14

fedupwithjobsworths says...

Ian Kalra, transportation services manager at the council, said the news was “very disappointing” but the council had already done well to secure £20m from government towards sustainable travel. ..............



Instead of gridlocking the town with various roadworks perhaps this money could have been used to make public transport free.
Ian Kalra, transportation services manager at the council, said the news was “very disappointing” but the council had already done well to secure £20m from government towards sustainable travel. .............. Instead of gridlocking the town with various roadworks perhaps this money could have been used to make public transport free. fedupwithjobsworths
  • Score: 14

8:06am Fri 18 Jul 14

BIGTONE says...

Why would the Government fund it when the local councils have £15 million plus in reserves.

I guess we have a stupid Government but they are not that stupid.
Why would the Government fund it when the local councils have £15 million plus in reserves. I guess we have a stupid Government but they are not that stupid. BIGTONE
  • Score: 14

8:20am Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
Ian Kalra, transportation services manager at the council, said the news was “very disappointing” but the council had already done well to secure £20m from government towards sustainable travel. ..............



Instead of gridlocking the town with various roadworks perhaps this money could have been used to make public transport free.
Or if not free substantially cheaper.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: Ian Kalra, transportation services manager at the council, said the news was “very disappointing” but the council had already done well to secure £20m from government towards sustainable travel. .............. Instead of gridlocking the town with various roadworks perhaps this money could have been used to make public transport free.[/p][/quote]Or if not free substantially cheaper. Hessenford
  • Score: 11

9:41am Fri 18 Jul 14

Branksome snail says...

Hopefully now that they will get no further funding we will see the end of the ridiculous purge on cycle lanes popping up everywhere that are no safer than the roads they are painted on.
Im not pro-cycle or pro-car. Im just in favor of getting from A to B.
Hopefully now that they will get no further funding we will see the end of the ridiculous purge on cycle lanes popping up everywhere that are no safer than the roads they are painted on. Im not pro-cycle or pro-car. Im just in favor of getting from A to B. Branksome snail
  • Score: 18

9:59am Fri 18 Jul 14

blackdog1 says...

Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look! blackdog1
  • Score: 18

10:19am Fri 18 Jul 14

Controversial But True says...

Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers?? Controversial But True
  • Score: 9

10:21am Fri 18 Jul 14

loftusrod says...

blackdog1 wrote:
Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
Quite.
I cycle about 2,000 miles a year on the local roads but the money would be better spent repairing the roads we already have before starting new schemes.
The potholes and drain covers we all have to swerve to avoid are just dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look![/p][/quote]Quite. I cycle about 2,000 miles a year on the local roads but the money would be better spent repairing the roads we already have before starting new schemes. The potholes and drain covers we all have to swerve to avoid are just dangerous. loftusrod
  • Score: 28

10:25am Fri 18 Jul 14

Lesleycherry says...

blackdog1 wrote:
Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.
[quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look![/p][/quote]I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to. Lesleycherry
  • Score: 2

10:28am Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me. speedy231278
  • Score: 3

10:54am Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me. Hessenford
  • Score: -6

10:59am Fri 18 Jul 14

Teddy 1 says...

Poorly thought out campaigns by people who dont have a clue. Cllr filer...ask yourself why casualties have increased over the last few years....whats changed where have you diverted funding from I wonder? I believe you have a transport team and dedicated cycle initiative staff...what are they doing during the day are they really busy, do you sit to find out what they do and find out if you get value for money? Why not outsource, set targets and get real. Stop this nonsense with cycling as money is tight, work smarter - the square is quite frankly a dangerous place now with pedestirans and cycling as they dont mix. Get smart with the cash you have, start managing, question, analyse.
Poorly thought out campaigns by people who dont have a clue. Cllr filer...ask yourself why casualties have increased over the last few years....whats changed where have you diverted funding from I wonder? I believe you have a transport team and dedicated cycle initiative staff...what are they doing during the day are they really busy, do you sit to find out what they do and find out if you get value for money? Why not outsource, set targets and get real. Stop this nonsense with cycling as money is tight, work smarter - the square is quite frankly a dangerous place now with pedestirans and cycling as they dont mix. Get smart with the cash you have, start managing, question, analyse. Teddy 1
  • Score: 1

11:13am Fri 18 Jul 14

yvonne33 says...

instead of using car club spaces for cars make it boris style rent a bike what an ill thought out the car club scheme is lets reduce cars on roads and hire bikes
instead of using car club spaces for cars make it boris style rent a bike what an ill thought out the car club scheme is lets reduce cars on roads and hire bikes yvonne33
  • Score: -3

11:16am Fri 18 Jul 14

nosuchluck54 says...

Hessenford wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me.
I see some schools have broken up already .
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me.[/p][/quote]I see some schools have broken up already . nosuchluck54
  • Score: 7

11:44am Fri 18 Jul 14

Hessenford says...

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me.
I see some schools have broken up already .
And yours has too, good for you.
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me.[/p][/quote]I see some schools have broken up already .[/p][/quote]And yours has too, good for you. Hessenford
  • Score: -7

1:02pm Fri 18 Jul 14

born2bongo says...

The councillors are not well-meaning. They are idle and led by the nose, by the council officers. The council officers are in their jobs either because they are unemployable elsewhere or because the unbridled power they have over us compensates for lack of opportunity in this sector. Their particular pleasure is to be as obstructive as possible towards the people who pay their wages. Public servants they are NOT. If they wanted to be a bit more green they could switch off all the unnecessary traffic lights in the town - particularly those that go red in all directions. There are some horrifying statistics around the extra carbon generated by cars that are needlessly caused to slow down and stop.
The councillors are not well-meaning. They are idle and led by the nose, by the council officers. The council officers are in their jobs either because they are unemployable elsewhere or because the unbridled power they have over us compensates for lack of opportunity in this sector. Their particular pleasure is to be as obstructive as possible towards the people who pay their wages. Public servants they are NOT. If they wanted to be a bit more green they could switch off all the unnecessary traffic lights in the town - particularly those that go red in all directions. There are some horrifying statistics around the extra carbon generated by cars that are needlessly caused to slow down and stop. born2bongo
  • Score: 6

1:04pm Fri 18 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

In a word GOOD!

Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.
In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015. muscliffman
  • Score: -15

1:11pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Repo says...

Lesleycherry wrote:
blackdog1 wrote:
Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.
How much does it set you back waiting to overtake? 10 seconds?
[quote][p][bold]Lesleycherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look![/p][/quote]I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.[/p][/quote]How much does it set you back waiting to overtake? 10 seconds? Repo
  • Score: 17

1:54pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Top_Gear says...

muscliffman wrote:
In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.
Have you ever considered a lot of people drive AND cycle?

Furious? Haha, yeah you perhaps. You need to calm down a bit. Try a relaxing pastime, like cycling.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered a lot of people drive AND cycle? Furious? Haha, yeah you perhaps. You need to calm down a bit. Try a relaxing pastime, like cycling. Top_Gear
  • Score: 11

1:57pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Top_Gear says...

Repo wrote:
Lesleycherry wrote:
blackdog1 wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.
How much does it set you back waiting to overtake? 10 seconds?
But, those 10 seconds are important! More important than considering the safety of another human being. Lesley needs to get home in time to watch the complete ad-break before Coronation street starts.

How do you not understand the importance of this!?
[quote][p][bold]Repo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lesleycherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look![/p][/quote]I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.[/p][/quote]How much does it set you back waiting to overtake? 10 seconds?[/p][/quote]But, those 10 seconds are important! More important than considering the safety of another human being. Lesley needs to get home in time to watch the complete ad-break before Coronation street starts. How do you not understand the importance of this!? Top_Gear
  • Score: 10

2:26pm Fri 18 Jul 14

speedy231278 says...

Why is the council going cap in hand to the govt. for all these daft schemes anyway? I thought they had £15M in the bank for a rainy day!
Why is the council going cap in hand to the govt. for all these daft schemes anyway? I thought they had £15M in the bank for a rainy day! speedy231278
  • Score: 1

2:42pm Fri 18 Jul 14

scrumpyjack says...

Hessenford wrote:
nosuchluck54 wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me.
I see some schools have broken up already .
And yours has too, good for you.
Nice come back Mr Wilde.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me.[/p][/quote]I see some schools have broken up already .[/p][/quote]And yours has too, good for you.[/p][/quote]Nice come back Mr Wilde. scrumpyjack
  • Score: 0

2:52pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Tictock says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me! Cyclists would get more respect if they obeyed the Highway Code and cycle where they should in a responsible manner. It seems the Highway code is at best advisory to cyclists!
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me! Cyclists would get more respect if they obeyed the Highway Code and cycle where they should in a responsible manner. It seems the Highway code is at best advisory to cyclists! Tictock
  • Score: -8

3:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

chrisii1991 says...

Maybe they should try obeying the law for a change by not cycling on the pavement. I'm tired of hearing oh the road is too dangerous. if they are too scared to ride on the road maybe they shouldn't be cycling!!
Maybe they should try obeying the law for a change by not cycling on the pavement. I'm tired of hearing oh the road is too dangerous. if they are too scared to ride on the road maybe they shouldn't be cycling!! chrisii1991
  • Score: -7

3:22pm Fri 18 Jul 14

M0Z says...

Hessenford wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me.
And me. Not even anything from before the points system was introduced. I did once get a parking ticket though, in 1985, so I’m not completely squeaky clean. Keen cyclist when younger. These days I prefer a sporty car. The focus should be on bad driving rather than speed, but that would be hard for the authorities to automate and monetise. It’s been decades since I cycled around Bournemouth – but the lack of cycle lanes wasn’t a problem. It seems to be a bit of a mess now though.
[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me.[/p][/quote]And me. Not even anything from before the points system was introduced. I did once get a parking ticket though, in 1985, so I’m not completely squeaky clean. Keen cyclist when younger. These days I prefer a sporty car. The focus should be on bad driving rather than speed, but that would be hard for the authorities to automate and monetise. It’s been decades since I cycled around Bournemouth – but the lack of cycle lanes wasn’t a problem. It seems to be a bit of a mess now though. M0Z
  • Score: 1

4:13pm Fri 18 Jul 14

LeGrove says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks. LeGrove
  • Score: -2

4:13pm Fri 18 Jul 14

LeGrove says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks. LeGrove
  • Score: -2

4:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

simong says...

Good. The money being spent on cycle lanes that seem to pop up out of nowhere and dissappear in the same way is a ridiculous waste.
Good. The money being spent on cycle lanes that seem to pop up out of nowhere and dissappear in the same way is a ridiculous waste. simong
  • Score: 5

4:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

muscliffman says...

Top_Gear wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.
Have you ever considered a lot of people drive AND cycle?

Furious? Haha, yeah you perhaps. You need to calm down a bit. Try a relaxing pastime, like cycling.
Doh! No it never occurred to me that people including myself might cycle AND drive...............
...!

However what many of us can see are influential political people who have no intention whatsoever of leaving their own expenses paid motor cars trying to push the rest of the population out of their own cars and onto bikes or public transport under what they very mistakenly believe is a vote winning 'green' agenda - I regret some of us are simply not buying it.

The relatively small pro-cycling lobby and their political allies can be as vocal as they like - and goodness knows they are deafening at present, but they won't be heard at all in the polling stations which most voters will have reached........ in a car!
[quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered a lot of people drive AND cycle? Furious? Haha, yeah you perhaps. You need to calm down a bit. Try a relaxing pastime, like cycling.[/p][/quote]Doh! No it never occurred to me that people including myself might cycle AND drive............... ...! However what many of us can see are influential political people who have no intention whatsoever of leaving their own expenses paid motor cars trying to push the rest of the population out of their own cars and onto bikes or public transport under what they very mistakenly believe is a vote winning 'green' agenda - I regret some of us are simply not buying it. The relatively small pro-cycling lobby and their political allies can be as vocal as they like - and goodness knows they are deafening at present, but they won't be heard at all in the polling stations which most voters will have reached........ in a car! muscliffman
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Fri 18 Jul 14

cromwell9 says...

born2bongo wrote:
The councillors are not well-meaning. They are idle and led by the nose, by the council officers. The council officers are in their jobs either because they are unemployable elsewhere or because the unbridled power they have over us compensates for lack of opportunity in this sector. Their particular pleasure is to be as obstructive as possible towards the people who pay their wages. Public servants they are NOT. If they wanted to be a bit more green they could switch off all the unnecessary traffic lights in the town - particularly those that go red in all directions. There are some horrifying statistics around the extra carbon generated by cars that are needlessly caused to slow down and stop.
You can thank the LIB DEMS for that.
They messed up the whole area back in the 1990s ,when they were in local government,The area has not recovered since .
They were also responsable for the IMAX fiasco,GOD help us
[quote][p][bold]born2bongo[/bold] wrote: The councillors are not well-meaning. They are idle and led by the nose, by the council officers. The council officers are in their jobs either because they are unemployable elsewhere or because the unbridled power they have over us compensates for lack of opportunity in this sector. Their particular pleasure is to be as obstructive as possible towards the people who pay their wages. Public servants they are NOT. If they wanted to be a bit more green they could switch off all the unnecessary traffic lights in the town - particularly those that go red in all directions. There are some horrifying statistics around the extra carbon generated by cars that are needlessly caused to slow down and stop.[/p][/quote]You can thank the LIB DEMS for that. They messed up the whole area back in the 1990s ,when they were in local government,The area has not recovered since . They were also responsable for the IMAX fiasco,GOD help us cromwell9
  • Score: 4

5:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

FNS-man says...

muscliffman wrote:
Top_Gear wrote:
muscliffman wrote: In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.
Have you ever considered a lot of people drive AND cycle? Furious? Haha, yeah you perhaps. You need to calm down a bit. Try a relaxing pastime, like cycling.
Doh! No it never occurred to me that people including myself might cycle AND drive............... ...! However what many of us can see are influential political people who have no intention whatsoever of leaving their own expenses paid motor cars trying to push the rest of the population out of their own cars and onto bikes or public transport under what they very mistakenly believe is a vote winning 'green' agenda - I regret some of us are simply not buying it. The relatively small pro-cycling lobby and their political allies can be as vocal as they like - and goodness knows they are deafening at present, but they won't be heard at all in the polling stations which most voters will have reached........ in a car!
But the point is that almost everyone could be cycling if it was safer and easier. Pretty much every school child from the age of 8 could cycle to school on their own if there were safe and direct routes off the roads. That would massively reduce the amount of traffic on the roads, and help everyone. But those routes aren't there and parents won't allow their kids to cycle as it's too dangerous.

It's not a green agenda to want to increase cycling, it's just common sense.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Top_Gear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.[/p][/quote]Have you ever considered a lot of people drive AND cycle? Furious? Haha, yeah you perhaps. You need to calm down a bit. Try a relaxing pastime, like cycling.[/p][/quote]Doh! No it never occurred to me that people including myself might cycle AND drive............... ...! However what many of us can see are influential political people who have no intention whatsoever of leaving their own expenses paid motor cars trying to push the rest of the population out of their own cars and onto bikes or public transport under what they very mistakenly believe is a vote winning 'green' agenda - I regret some of us are simply not buying it. The relatively small pro-cycling lobby and their political allies can be as vocal as they like - and goodness knows they are deafening at present, but they won't be heard at all in the polling stations which most voters will have reached........ in a car![/p][/quote]But the point is that almost everyone could be cycling if it was safer and easier. Pretty much every school child from the age of 8 could cycle to school on their own if there were safe and direct routes off the roads. That would massively reduce the amount of traffic on the roads, and help everyone. But those routes aren't there and parents won't allow their kids to cycle as it's too dangerous. It's not a green agenda to want to increase cycling, it's just common sense. FNS-man
  • Score: -1

5:42pm Fri 18 Jul 14

joetheman says...

quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society, joetheman
  • Score: -5

5:46pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

Controversial But True says...speeding which is probably one of the biggest killers

That is utter rubbish.

Now if you had said INAPPROPRIATE speed is probably one of the biggest killers I might have agreed with you, but speeding as in exceeding the designated speed limit is not a problem per se.
Controversial But True says...speeding which is probably one of the biggest killers That is utter rubbish. Now if you had said INAPPROPRIATE speed is probably one of the biggest killers I might have agreed with you, but speeding as in exceeding the designated speed limit is not a problem per se. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

joetheman wrote:
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability.

Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax?

You don't pay Road Fund Licence. You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere.
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,[/p][/quote]The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability. Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax? You don't pay Road Fund Licence. You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere. Ragwin
  • Score: 5

6:19pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

joetheman wrote:
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
Cyclists should be banned from the pavements. What am I saying...they are banned from the pavements...but the law needs to be forced with the maximum legal fine of £800 if necessary.

Cycle routes are not needed because they already exist...they are the roads. Cyclists should be using the roads. Motorists and cyclists should then be ensuring they don't collide with each other.
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,[/p][/quote]Cyclists should be banned from the pavements. What am I saying...they are banned from the pavements...but the law needs to be forced with the maximum legal fine of £800 if necessary. Cycle routes are not needed because they already exist...they are the roads. Cyclists should be using the roads. Motorists and cyclists should then be ensuring they don't collide with each other. Ragwin
  • Score: 8

6:48pm Fri 18 Jul 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

I don't remember Boris asking Bmth to help pay for his Cycle Super Highway in London. He got a sponsor. Barclays.
.
BBC has no gumption whatsoever! They just put their hand out and grunt 'Cinema' from time to time.
I don't remember Boris asking Bmth to help pay for his Cycle Super Highway in London. He got a sponsor. Barclays. . BBC has no gumption whatsoever! They just put their hand out and grunt 'Cinema' from time to time. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Fri 18 Jul 14

joetheman says...

Ragwin wrote:
joetheman wrote:
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability.

Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax?

You don't pay Road Fund Licence. You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere.
18 years and never had a claim on my insurance,and have no fines for any motoring offence. and i still have to pay insurance. in fact the nearest i have have come to an accident was when a idiot cyclist rode through a red light but due to my quick reactions i avoided the collision, they do nothing pay nothing and expect everything,and your comments convince me you are a tXat
[quote][p][bold]Ragwin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,[/p][/quote]The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability. Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax? You don't pay Road Fund Licence. You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere.[/p][/quote]18 years and never had a claim on my insurance,and have no fines for any motoring offence. and i still have to pay insurance. in fact the nearest i have have come to an accident was when a idiot cyclist rode through a red light but due to my quick reactions i avoided the collision, they do nothing pay nothing and expect everything,and your comments convince me you are a tXat joetheman
  • Score: -5

7:41pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Ragwin says...

joetheman wrote:
Ragwin wrote:
joetheman wrote:
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability.

Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax?

You don't pay Road Fund Licence. You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere.
18 years and never had a claim on my insurance,and have no fines for any motoring offence. and i still have to pay insurance. in fact the nearest i have have come to an accident was when a idiot cyclist rode through a red light but due to my quick reactions i avoided the collision, they do nothing pay nothing and expect everything,and your comments convince me you are a tXat
Obviously, nobody else has any faith in your driving ability. If they did, they wouldn't demand that you have to have 3rd party insurance. You are just another idiot on the road to other road users.
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ragwin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,[/p][/quote]The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability. Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax? You don't pay Road Fund Licence. You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere.[/p][/quote]18 years and never had a claim on my insurance,and have no fines for any motoring offence. and i still have to pay insurance. in fact the nearest i have have come to an accident was when a idiot cyclist rode through a red light but due to my quick reactions i avoided the collision, they do nothing pay nothing and expect everything,and your comments convince me you are a tXat[/p][/quote]Obviously, nobody else has any faith in your driving ability. If they did, they wouldn't demand that you have to have 3rd party insurance. You are just another idiot on the road to other road users. Ragwin
  • Score: -2

7:58pm Fri 18 Jul 14

joetheman says...

i dont know why i bother to reply to your childish reply,by law i have to have insurance, in case an cyclist who contributes nothing decides to crash into me, now toddle off to bed before mummy catches you on the pc and gives you the smacking you deserve,when you do grow up you will realise how silly your arguement makes you look
i dont know why i bother to reply to your childish reply,by law i have to have insurance, in case an cyclist who contributes nothing decides to crash into me, now toddle off to bed before mummy catches you on the pc and gives you the smacking you deserve,when you do grow up you will realise how silly your arguement makes you look joetheman
  • Score: 0

8:42pm Fri 18 Jul 14

Repo says...

Ragwin wrote:
joetheman wrote:
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
Cyclists should be banned from the pavements. What am I saying...they are banned from the pavements...but the law needs to be forced with the maximum legal fine of £800 if necessary.

Cycle routes are not needed because they already exist...they are the roads. Cyclists should be using the roads. Motorists and cyclists should then be ensuring they don't collide with each other.
I see more cars on the pavement than bikes.
[quote][p][bold]Ragwin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,[/p][/quote]Cyclists should be banned from the pavements. What am I saying...they are banned from the pavements...but the law needs to be forced with the maximum legal fine of £800 if necessary. Cycle routes are not needed because they already exist...they are the roads. Cyclists should be using the roads. Motorists and cyclists should then be ensuring they don't collide with each other.[/p][/quote]I see more cars on the pavement than bikes. Repo
  • Score: 4

9:39pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

Ragwin says...The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability.

WRONG: Technically motor insurance is actually not a legal requirement provided a sufficiently large amount of money is placed on deposit and is available to cover any claims, however in practical terms that sum of money is so large, everybody has a motor insurance. The fact that accident cover is needed is because a moving vehicle can cause serious damage. Driving ability is not a qualifying factor in needing motor insurance and only comes into play when the insurance company may, at their own discretion offer a discount for a proven clean driving record.

Ragwin says...Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax?

WRONG: It isn't a petrol tax, it's a fuel duty mixed with Value Added Tax.

Ragwin says...You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere.

WRONG: V.E.D. is the acronym for Vehicle Excise Duty, the actual amount paid is loosely linked to the vehicle's emissions.
Ragwin says...The fact you need insurance is down to your lack of driving ability. WRONG: Technically motor insurance is actually not a legal requirement provided a sufficiently large amount of money is placed on deposit and is available to cover any claims, however in practical terms that sum of money is so large, everybody has a motor insurance. The fact that accident cover is needed is because a moving vehicle can cause serious damage. Driving ability is not a qualifying factor in needing motor insurance and only comes into play when the insurance company may, at their own discretion offer a discount for a proven clean driving record. Ragwin says...Cyclists don't use petrol so why should they pay a petrol tax? WRONG: It isn't a petrol tax, it's a fuel duty mixed with Value Added Tax. Ragwin says...You pay Vehicle Emissions Duty towards the medical costs created by the highly toxic fumes your car emits into the atmosphere. WRONG: V.E.D. is the acronym for Vehicle Excise Duty, the actual amount paid is loosely linked to the vehicle's emissions. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 2

9:51pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth says...

Repo says...I see more cars on the pavement than bikes.

I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, try walking along the pavement of a shopping street.

Whilst I wouldn't wish to defend cars on the pavement, there is of course a basic difference, a car semi-parked pavement / road is at least stationary, whereas a bicycle being pedalled along the pavement is moving, sometimes very quickly.

The road where I live is very narrow, if cars do not park a bit on the pavement the road can be easily blocked for larger vehicles such as ambulances and fire appliances.
Repo says...I see more cars on the pavement than bikes. I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, try walking along the pavement of a shopping street. Whilst I wouldn't wish to defend cars on the pavement, there is of course a basic difference, a car semi-parked pavement / road is at least stationary, whereas a bicycle being pedalled along the pavement is moving, sometimes very quickly. The road where I live is very narrow, if cars do not park a bit on the pavement the road can be easily blocked for larger vehicles such as ambulances and fire appliances. BigAlfromsunnyBournemouth
  • Score: 3

10:39pm Fri 18 Jul 14

BackOfTheNet says...

joetheman wrote:
i dont know why i bother to reply to your childish reply,by law i have to have insurance, in case an cyclist who contributes nothing decides to crash into me, now toddle off to bed before mummy catches you on the pc and gives you the smacking you deserve,when you do grow up you will realise how silly your arguement makes you look
Cyclists pay no taxes? Quite funny that.

Do you drive a big car perchance?

*wiggles little finger*
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: i dont know why i bother to reply to your childish reply,by law i have to have insurance, in case an cyclist who contributes nothing decides to crash into me, now toddle off to bed before mummy catches you on the pc and gives you the smacking you deserve,when you do grow up you will realise how silly your arguement makes you look[/p][/quote]Cyclists pay no taxes? Quite funny that. Do you drive a big car perchance? *wiggles little finger* BackOfTheNet
  • Score: 4

12:37am Sat 19 Jul 14

codfather2k says...

blackdog1 wrote:
Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
Indeed. Cyclists would benefit far more from being able to get from A to B without worrying if they will have to swerve into traffic to avoid potholes or worse, end up over the handlebars. Also, less traffic lights mean less effort required and smother roads mean you will see more cyclists on the roads which means fewer cars.
Far too much money is spent on schemes that do very little to combat the real reasons that people just don't feel comfortable getting on their bike.
[quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look![/p][/quote]Indeed. Cyclists would benefit far more from being able to get from A to B without worrying if they will have to swerve into traffic to avoid potholes or worse, end up over the handlebars. Also, less traffic lights mean less effort required and smother roads mean you will see more cyclists on the roads which means fewer cars. Far too much money is spent on schemes that do very little to combat the real reasons that people just don't feel comfortable getting on their bike. codfather2k
  • Score: 5

12:40am Sat 19 Jul 14

codfather2k says...

Lesleycherry wrote:
blackdog1 wrote:
Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look!
I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.
The cycle lane is completely impractical, having to stop, cross the road and start up again every time there's a roundabout. Muchbetter to spend the money widening and resurfacing the road.
Also, having cycle lanes where pedestrians walk is just crazy. Cyclist at circa 18-20mph, pedestrian at 2mph...
[quote][p][bold]Lesleycherry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackdog1[/bold] wrote: Good!......try spending money on fixing the potholes,removing traffic lights on roundabouts and getting traffic moving again instead of this obsession with money being spent on daft cycle schemes everywhere you look![/p][/quote]I wouldn't feel so angry about the proliferation of cycle schemes if the cyclists used them!! The number of times I have crawled along Canford Heath Road, unable to overtake cyclists due to oncoming traffic, with the cycle lane totally empty!! I have nothing against cyclists per se, it's the waste of my council tax money on these schemes that I object to.[/p][/quote]The cycle lane is completely impractical, having to stop, cross the road and start up again every time there's a roundabout. Muchbetter to spend the money widening and resurfacing the road. Also, having cycle lanes where pedestrians walk is just crazy. Cyclist at circa 18-20mph, pedestrian at 2mph... codfather2k
  • Score: 5

12:43am Sat 19 Jul 14

codfather2k says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
Poorly thought out campaigns by people who dont have a clue. Cllr filer...ask yourself why casualties have increased over the last few years....whats changed where have you diverted funding from I wonder? I believe you have a transport team and dedicated cycle initiative staff...what are they doing during the day are they really busy, do you sit to find out what they do and find out if you get value for money? Why not outsource, set targets and get real. Stop this nonsense with cycling as money is tight, work smarter - the square is quite frankly a dangerous place now with pedestirans and cycling as they dont mix. Get smart with the cash you have, start managing, question, analyse.
Bournemouth square, of course, is supposed to be cycle-free. As a cyclist I'm shocked that most don't even slow down, let alone get off their bike. Mad. Couldn't agree more that cycling and pedestrians don't mix and cyclists are very often safer on the pot-hole-strewn roads
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: Poorly thought out campaigns by people who dont have a clue. Cllr filer...ask yourself why casualties have increased over the last few years....whats changed where have you diverted funding from I wonder? I believe you have a transport team and dedicated cycle initiative staff...what are they doing during the day are they really busy, do you sit to find out what they do and find out if you get value for money? Why not outsource, set targets and get real. Stop this nonsense with cycling as money is tight, work smarter - the square is quite frankly a dangerous place now with pedestirans and cycling as they dont mix. Get smart with the cash you have, start managing, question, analyse.[/p][/quote]Bournemouth square, of course, is supposed to be cycle-free. As a cyclist I'm shocked that most don't even slow down, let alone get off their bike. Mad. Couldn't agree more that cycling and pedestrians don't mix and cyclists are very often safer on the pot-hole-strewn roads codfather2k
  • Score: 3

12:48am Sat 19 Jul 14

codfather2k says...

muscliffman wrote:
In a word GOOD!

Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.
Instead of boring everyone to death with your motorist vs cyclist rant, perhaps you might like to note that the majority of cyclists on most forums actually dislike most of the cycle schemes supposedly carried out for their benefit, but actually doing more to feed to endless bureaucracy - a true case of 'nanny knows best'. Better roads for all and a bit of consideration both ways between motorists and cyclists is ctually all that's needed.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: In a word GOOD! Existing Councillors would do well to consider that there are many more motorist voters than cycling voters in town and at the moment that majority number is furious about their obsession with these left of centre 'green' EU driven pro-cycling schemes. Do remember voters in Bournemouth will have a popular new common sense alternative in 2015.[/p][/quote]Instead of boring everyone to death with your motorist vs cyclist rant, perhaps you might like to note that the majority of cyclists on most forums actually dislike most of the cycle schemes supposedly carried out for their benefit, but actually doing more to feed to endless bureaucracy - a true case of 'nanny knows best'. Better roads for all and a bit of consideration both ways between motorists and cyclists is ctually all that's needed. codfather2k
  • Score: 3

12:49am Sat 19 Jul 14

wadjit says...

I cant ride my bike in a straight line due to swerving around potholes and sunken drains. The roads are in such poor condition its an embarrassment. If you ever wonder why a cyclist is in the middle of the road its because its the only piece of smooth surface to ride on. the roads get swept so infrequently now that all debris and glass etc. has also moved its way towards the curb, making it even more impossible to ride next to it. These are the primary concerns to address.
I cant ride my bike in a straight line due to swerving around potholes and sunken drains. The roads are in such poor condition its an embarrassment. If you ever wonder why a cyclist is in the middle of the road its because its the only piece of smooth surface to ride on. the roads get swept so infrequently now that all debris and glass etc. has also moved its way towards the curb, making it even more impossible to ride next to it. These are the primary concerns to address. wadjit
  • Score: 1

8:27am Sat 19 Jul 14

mimi55 says...

LeGrove wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks.
Been driving for 40 years, and never had any points for anything. Most dangerous people I have encountered on the roads are the 'bad' motor cyclists. Used to cycle when I was younger, but honestly think the roads
in this country are becoming too congested for safe cycling. Worst 'safety' initivative I have seen was in Ferndown, where a very short cycle lane at a traffic light, installed at great expense, had to be removed due to the chaos it caused. Worst non use of cycle lane, the bridge into Wimborne, a cycle lane put in at great expense and inconvenience, routinely ignored by cyclists, who still prefer to hold up traffic on the bridge.
[quote][p][bold]LeGrove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks.[/p][/quote]Been driving for 40 years, and never had any points for anything. Most dangerous people I have encountered on the roads are the 'bad' motor cyclists. Used to cycle when I was younger, but honestly think the roads in this country are becoming too congested for safe cycling. Worst 'safety' initivative I have seen was in Ferndown, where a very short cycle lane at a traffic light, installed at great expense, had to be removed due to the chaos it caused. Worst non use of cycle lane, the bridge into Wimborne, a cycle lane put in at great expense and inconvenience, routinely ignored by cyclists, who still prefer to hold up traffic on the bridge. mimi55
  • Score: 0

8:53am Sat 19 Jul 14

carrrob says...

LeGrove wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks.
And me stop generalising !
[quote][p][bold]LeGrove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me. And I drive a modified performance car. SO, don't pigeon-hole people. Thanks.[/p][/quote]And me stop generalising ! carrrob
  • Score: 0

9:00am Sat 19 Jul 14

bobsworthforever says...

Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Absolute garbage the standard of cycling is just as bad as driving texting on their bikes listening to head banging music jumping red lights cycling on the pavement dressing up in skintight lycra mind you surely that's not done to impress agree with earlier comments lets have more subsidised Public Transport.
[quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Absolute garbage the standard of cycling is just as bad as driving texting on their bikes listening to head banging music jumping red lights cycling on the pavement dressing up in skintight lycra mind you surely that's not done to impress agree with earlier comments lets have more subsidised Public Transport. bobsworthforever
  • Score: -3

12:05pm Sat 19 Jul 14

Repo says...

BigAlfromsunnyBourne
mouth
wrote:
Repo says...I see more cars on the pavement than bikes.

I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, try walking along the pavement of a shopping street.

Whilst I wouldn't wish to defend cars on the pavement, there is of course a basic difference, a car semi-parked pavement / road is at least stationary, whereas a bicycle being pedalled along the pavement is moving, sometimes very quickly.

The road where I live is very narrow, if cars do not park a bit on the pavement the road can be easily blocked for larger vehicles such as ambulances and fire appliances.
A car parked on the pavement is stationary? How did it get there? I would suggest that a vehicle driving onto a pavement at 5mph could quite easily kill a pedestrian if it ran them over, not to mention forcing wheelchairs and pushchairs to move onto the road to pass. And it's still illegal isn't it? According to the anti-cycling brigade: laws should be black and white, so there is no room for common sense of maybe cycling on a deserted pavement, or crossing a red light if it's clear, or parking a car on a pavement!
[quote][p][bold]BigAlfromsunnyBourne mouth[/bold] wrote: Repo says...I see more cars on the pavement than bikes. I would suggest you are seeing what you want to see, try walking along the pavement of a shopping street. Whilst I wouldn't wish to defend cars on the pavement, there is of course a basic difference, a car semi-parked pavement / road is at least stationary, whereas a bicycle being pedalled along the pavement is moving, sometimes very quickly. The road where I live is very narrow, if cars do not park a bit on the pavement the road can be easily blocked for larger vehicles such as ambulances and fire appliances.[/p][/quote]A car parked on the pavement is stationary? How did it get there? I would suggest that a vehicle driving onto a pavement at 5mph could quite easily kill a pedestrian if it ran them over, not to mention forcing wheelchairs and pushchairs to move onto the road to pass. And it's still illegal isn't it? According to the anti-cycling brigade: laws should be black and white, so there is no room for common sense of maybe cycling on a deserted pavement, or crossing a red light if it's clear, or parking a car on a pavement! Repo
  • Score: 6

9:18am Mon 21 Jul 14

Franks Tank says...

joetheman wrote:
quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,
Still plenty of room on "the stupid step".
[quote][p][bold]joetheman[/bold] wrote: quite honestly all cyclists should be banned from our roads,they contribute nothing and just hinder drivers who pay insurance ,petrol tax and road fund licence,they are like travellers a burden on society,[/p][/quote]Still plenty of room on "the stupid step". Franks Tank
  • Score: 2

5:16pm Wed 23 Jul 14

Rally says...

M0Z wrote:
Hessenford wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Controversial But True wrote:
Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones!

Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??
Me.
And me.
And me. Not even anything from before the points system was introduced. I did once get a parking ticket though, in 1985, so I’m not completely squeaky clean. Keen cyclist when younger. These days I prefer a sporty car. The focus should be on bad driving rather than speed, but that would be hard for the authorities to automate and monetise. It’s been decades since I cycled around Bournemouth – but the lack of cycle lanes wasn’t a problem. It seems to be a bit of a mess now though.
"but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??"
"The focus should be on bad driving rather than speed,"

1) Exceeding the speed limit is not the 'biggest killer'; inappropriate speed is a far greater cause of accidents.
2) Exceeding the posted speed limit is an example of bad driving.
[quote][p][bold]M0Z[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Controversial But True[/bold] wrote: Cycling, like driving is safe, if YOU ride or drive safely, but unfortunately, those idiots on their mobiles or behind the wheel with a can of Stella, or have the bravado of speeding to impress their friends in Golf GTi's and Corsas with spoilers and alloys, simply spoil it for the safe ones! Lets get real. Everyone blames cyclists, but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??[/p][/quote]Me.[/p][/quote]And me.[/p][/quote]And me. Not even anything from before the points system was introduced. I did once get a parking ticket though, in 1985, so I’m not completely squeaky clean. Keen cyclist when younger. These days I prefer a sporty car. The focus should be on bad driving rather than speed, but that would be hard for the authorities to automate and monetise. It’s been decades since I cycled around Bournemouth – but the lack of cycle lanes wasn’t a problem. It seems to be a bit of a mess now though.[/p][/quote]"but who out there can honestly say that the've never had points for speeding, which is probably one of the biggest killers??" "The focus should be on bad driving rather than speed," 1) Exceeding the speed limit is not the 'biggest killer'; inappropriate speed is a far greater cause of accidents. 2) Exceeding the posted speed limit is an example of bad driving. Rally
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Wed 23 Jul 14

corozin says...

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
He said the amounts spent on cycling were “peanuts” compared with road-building schemes. “Our well-meaning local councillors are playing by the rules that the national government's imposed,” ...... and the amount being spent on roads is peanuts compared with the £44 billion raised by the combination of taxes paid by motorists!
The cyling bod is bending the truth unbelievably there. Aside from basic maintenance where is this magic sea of money which is being spent in this county on road-building schemes?

And don't bring up the mess at Stapehill because we never asked for that - that was the idea of some cretin in Westminster....
[quote][p][bold]fedupwithjobsworths[/bold] wrote: He said the amounts spent on cycling were “peanuts” compared with road-building schemes. “Our well-meaning local councillors are playing by the rules that the national government's imposed,” ...... and the amount being spent on roads is peanuts compared with the £44 billion raised by the combination of taxes paid by motorists![/p][/quote]The cyling bod is bending the truth unbelievably there. Aside from basic maintenance where is this magic sea of money which is being spent in this county on road-building schemes? And don't bring up the mess at Stapehill because we never asked for that - that was the idea of some cretin in Westminster.... corozin
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