Poole Port could benefit after Condor Ferries give 'no guarantees' over Weymouth sailings

Poole Port could benefit after Condor Ferries give 'no guarantees' over Weymouth sailings

TIGHT-LIPPED: Condor chief executive James Fulford

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POOLE Port could benefit from more Condor Ferries’ cross Channel sailings, after the firm refused to guarantee it will continue operating from Weymouth.

Speaking for the first time since it emerged the firm’s future in Weymouth was uncertain due to new infrastructure demands, Condor Ferries’ boss James Fulford stayed tight-lipped about the future.

However, the company switched sailings to Poole for 17 months, last year, to allow repair works to proceed at Weymouth Harbour.

It has been revealed that the firm would have to stay away for two years in Weymouth rather than one if Weymouth and Portland Borough Council undertook £10m worth of works to upgrade berth 1.

This is because there would have to be a harbour revision order which could end up going to a public inquiry.

Mr Fulford, chief executive of Condor Ferries, said the firm valued its relationship with Weymouth, but avoided questions about whether sailings would continue from the resort if it purchased a new super ferry.

It has emerged the council may have to fork out an estimated £10m to accommodate the larger ship which Condor is thinking of buying. The high speed trimaran could only dock at berth 1, which will need a substantial upgrade.

Condor has rejected using berth 3, which the council spent more than £4m on refurbishing last year.

Mr Fulford said: “Condor Ferries is committed to investing in a safe and efficient fleet which will enable us to provide a full service of sailings, keeping the Channel Islands connected and supplied.

“One of the options we are currently considering is investing in a new ship. However, this investment relies upon us achieving the certainty of a new licence to operate to the islands.

“Introducing any new ship involves a range of legislative and infrastructure considerations and, as you would expect, we are working closely with all the interested parties, including Weymouth and Portland Borough Council, other harbour authorities and the States of Jersey and Guernsey.”

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8:58am Tue 13 May 14

BIGTONE says...

Let's see how good PHC management are if they can secure the new business.
Let's see how good PHC management are if they can secure the new business. BIGTONE
  • Score: 11

9:06am Tue 13 May 14

KLH says...

Would enjoy seeing the trimaran in Poole, will almost certainly take a trip!
Would enjoy seeing the trimaran in Poole, will almost certainly take a trip! KLH
  • Score: 11

9:50am Tue 13 May 14

BarrHumbug says...

I can only see the loss of Condor from Weymouth as being their own fault? How can a port have the luxury 3 berths and yet when No.3 needed repair work, not be able to offer an alternative berth?
If they had invested in ongoing maintenance and upgrading then there would have been no need for Condor to move to Poole last year or for them to move permanently in the future?
I can only see the loss of Condor from Weymouth as being their own fault? How can a port have the luxury 3 berths and yet when No.3 needed repair work, not be able to offer an alternative berth? If they had invested in ongoing maintenance and upgrading then there would have been no need for Condor to move to Poole last year or for them to move permanently in the future? BarrHumbug
  • Score: 11

11:32am Tue 13 May 14

KLH says...

If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran"

Beautiful looking vessel.
If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran" Beautiful looking vessel. KLH
  • Score: 3

11:34am Tue 13 May 14

KLH says...

KLH wrote:
If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran"

Beautiful looking vessel.
Meant to be "Austal Trimaran". Sorry, typo there, couldn't edit!
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran" Beautiful looking vessel.[/p][/quote]Meant to be "Austal Trimaran". Sorry, typo there, couldn't edit! KLH
  • Score: 0

11:52am Tue 13 May 14

504gld says...

If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamworthy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it!
If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamworthy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it! 504gld
  • Score: 9

11:56am Tue 13 May 14

The-Bleeding-Obvious says...

Brilliant if it means the return of the 'long' day trips to Guernsey out of, and back into Poole!
Brilliant if it means the return of the 'long' day trips to Guernsey out of, and back into Poole! The-Bleeding-Obvious
  • Score: 8

12:40pm Tue 13 May 14

Huey says...

KLH wrote:
If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran"

Beautiful looking vessel.
Very impressive
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran" Beautiful looking vessel.[/p][/quote]Very impressive Huey
  • Score: 5

1:38pm Tue 13 May 14

Letcommonsenseprevail says...

504gld wrote:
If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamwor
thy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it!
Have you not noticed the work going on then................
.................?
[quote][p][bold]504gld[/bold] wrote: If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamwor thy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it![/p][/quote]Have you not noticed the work going on then................ .................? Letcommonsenseprevail
  • Score: 0

2:16pm Tue 13 May 14

Rustynails says...

I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...
I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed... Rustynails
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Tue 13 May 14

SeafaringMan says...

Huey wrote:
KLH wrote:
If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran"

Beautiful looking vessel.
Very impressive
As I went to sea some fifty years ago in ship shaped ships I agree that it is impressive - but not that it is a beautiful looking vesel!
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: If anyone wants to see a pic of the new trimaran, or know about it, do a google image search of "Austal Triamaran" Beautiful looking vessel.[/p][/quote]Very impressive[/p][/quote]As I went to sea some fifty years ago in ship shaped ships I agree that it is impressive - but not that it is a beautiful looking vesel! SeafaringMan
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Tue 13 May 14

Yankee1 says...

In terms of pure location/ease of access, Poole wins hands down.

So it is up to the PHC to undercut Weymouth. This business is not a charity, nor is it government funded.

It is PHC's choice to lose.
In terms of pure location/ease of access, Poole wins hands down. So it is up to the PHC to undercut Weymouth. This business is not a charity, nor is it government funded. It is PHC's choice to lose. Yankee1
  • Score: -1

12:21am Wed 14 May 14

Chris12 says...

Rustynails wrote:
I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...
Port of call is easier than a base - just berth, turf a bunch of people out on waiting coaches then disappear a few hours later. Weymouth has plenty of hotels for the early or late departing passengers but with different sailing times Poole would probably be a better base with a larger potential market. Its a little closer to the motorway network, has more frequent trains and if the simple fact is that Weymouth is not big enough to take the suggested new vessel, why would Condor wait for Portland to create something from nothing? Would it be worth the expenditure for Portland which appears to be developing as a repair location?
[quote][p][bold]Rustynails[/bold] wrote: I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...[/p][/quote]Port of call is easier than a base - just berth, turf a bunch of people out on waiting coaches then disappear a few hours later. Weymouth has plenty of hotels for the early or late departing passengers but with different sailing times Poole would probably be a better base with a larger potential market. Its a little closer to the motorway network, has more frequent trains and if the simple fact is that Weymouth is not big enough to take the suggested new vessel, why would Condor wait for Portland to create something from nothing? Would it be worth the expenditure for Portland which appears to be developing as a repair location? Chris12
  • Score: 0

7:22am Wed 14 May 14

Rustynails says...

Chris12 wrote:
Rustynails wrote:
I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...
Port of call is easier than a base - just berth, turf a bunch of people out on waiting coaches then disappear a few hours later. Weymouth has plenty of hotels for the early or late departing passengers but with different sailing times Poole would probably be a better base with a larger potential market. Its a little closer to the motorway network, has more frequent trains and if the simple fact is that Weymouth is not big enough to take the suggested new vessel, why would Condor wait for Portland to create something from nothing? Would it be worth the expenditure for Portland which appears to be developing as a repair location?
There are pluses & minuses to your comment, Poole is currently having to juggle its 3 main Channel ferries on & off the one & only RORO that can accommodate them, if one is late arriving it throws the Port into Chaos & the problem is it has no capacity to expand, it will receive this year just 4 visits from a very small cruise ship (800 Pax), it has no real on site Car Park, the departure lounge whilst adequate is nothing to write home about, the road system to the Port can become congested without even trying & if the New Twin Sails Bridge packs up, which it does with alarming regularity, it becomes gridlocked, the rail station is a good walk from the Port & as far as I am aware there is no Bus Service, so its a Taxi.. Yes there are 4 decent sized hotels in the Town .. Whereas Portland is a ready made decent sized up & running Port with capacity to spare, this year it is expecting to receive 20 large Cruise ships & its expected that this will generate £6 million pounds or so for the local community, with that sort of money coming in a million or so to develop a RORO will be chicken feed, but I do accept your point about the infrastructure, road, rail & Hotels also need investment.
[quote][p][bold]Chris12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rustynails[/bold] wrote: I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...[/p][/quote]Port of call is easier than a base - just berth, turf a bunch of people out on waiting coaches then disappear a few hours later. Weymouth has plenty of hotels for the early or late departing passengers but with different sailing times Poole would probably be a better base with a larger potential market. Its a little closer to the motorway network, has more frequent trains and if the simple fact is that Weymouth is not big enough to take the suggested new vessel, why would Condor wait for Portland to create something from nothing? Would it be worth the expenditure for Portland which appears to be developing as a repair location?[/p][/quote]There are pluses & minuses to your comment, Poole is currently having to juggle its 3 main Channel ferries on & off the one & only RORO that can accommodate them, if one is late arriving it throws the Port into Chaos & the problem is it has no capacity to expand, it will receive this year just 4 visits from a very small cruise ship (800 Pax), it has no real on site Car Park, the departure lounge whilst adequate is nothing to write home about, the road system to the Port can become congested without even trying & if the New Twin Sails Bridge packs up, which it does with alarming regularity, it becomes gridlocked, the rail station is a good walk from the Port & as far as I am aware there is no Bus Service, so its a Taxi.. Yes there are 4 decent sized hotels in the Town .. Whereas Portland is a ready made decent sized up & running Port with capacity to spare, this year it is expecting to receive 20 large Cruise ships & its expected that this will generate £6 million pounds or so for the local community, with that sort of money coming in a million or so to develop a RORO will be chicken feed, but I do accept your point about the infrastructure, road, rail & Hotels also need investment. Rustynails
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Wed 14 May 14

MJD says...

Letcommonsenseprevai
l
wrote:
504gld wrote:
If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamwor

thy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it!
Have you not noticed the work going on then................

.................?
It will never happen. PHC cant see that far to have
a rail link.
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]504gld[/bold] wrote: If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamwor thy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it![/p][/quote]Have you not noticed the work going on then................ .................?[/p][/quote]It will never happen. PHC cant see that far to have a rail link. MJD
  • Score: 0

10:41pm Wed 14 May 14

Chris12 says...

MJD wrote:
Letcommonsenseprevai

l
wrote:
504gld wrote:
If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamwor


thy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it!
Have you not noticed the work going on then................


.................?
It will never happen. PHC cant see that far to have
a rail link.
PHC have to pay for the connection to the mainline. The mainline has to be maintained by Network Rail. Without traffic running over these lines paying access charges, there is no income. It's either assumed by the borough for some light rail option or it sits there financially unviable. Simple choice.
[quote][p][bold]MJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]504gld[/bold] wrote: If Poole really wanted to clinch this one they would secure the passenger rail link back in to Hamworthy before the whole lot is lost to decay. A Channel Island's Boat train from London or further north, not to mention a local service linking a loop say Lymington->Hamwor thy Port of Poole would link up commuters too. But alas they would dither over it for years then make a right hash up of it![/p][/quote]Have you not noticed the work going on then................ .................?[/p][/quote]It will never happen. PHC cant see that far to have a rail link.[/p][/quote]PHC have to pay for the connection to the mainline. The mainline has to be maintained by Network Rail. Without traffic running over these lines paying access charges, there is no income. It's either assumed by the borough for some light rail option or it sits there financially unviable. Simple choice. Chris12
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Thu 15 May 14

Barfy92 says...

Rustynails wrote:
Chris12 wrote:
Rustynails wrote:
I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...
Port of call is easier than a base - just berth, turf a bunch of people out on waiting coaches then disappear a few hours later. Weymouth has plenty of hotels for the early or late departing passengers but with different sailing times Poole would probably be a better base with a larger potential market. Its a little closer to the motorway network, has more frequent trains and if the simple fact is that Weymouth is not big enough to take the suggested new vessel, why would Condor wait for Portland to create something from nothing? Would it be worth the expenditure for Portland which appears to be developing as a repair location?
There are pluses & minuses to your comment, Poole is currently having to juggle its 3 main Channel ferries on & off the one & only RORO that can accommodate them, if one is late arriving it throws the Port into Chaos & the problem is it has no capacity to expand, it will receive this year just 4 visits from a very small cruise ship (800 Pax), it has no real on site Car Park, the departure lounge whilst adequate is nothing to write home about, the road system to the Port can become congested without even trying & if the New Twin Sails Bridge packs up, which it does with alarming regularity, it becomes gridlocked, the rail station is a good walk from the Port & as far as I am aware there is no Bus Service, so its a Taxi.. Yes there are 4 decent sized hotels in the Town .. Whereas Portland is a ready made decent sized up & running Port with capacity to spare, this year it is expecting to receive 20 large Cruise ships & its expected that this will generate £6 million pounds or so for the local community, with that sort of money coming in a million or so to develop a RORO will be chicken feed, but I do accept your point about the infrastructure, road, rail & Hotels also need investment.
Poole has 3 ferries operating from 2 RoRo beths at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]Rustynails[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Chris12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rustynails[/bold] wrote: I would not bank on the Port of Poole getting this new vessel.. The Port of Portland Is currently attracting some of the big Cruise ships as a port of call, its has the capacity but possibly not the RORO facilities, but this could be developed...[/p][/quote]Port of call is easier than a base - just berth, turf a bunch of people out on waiting coaches then disappear a few hours later. Weymouth has plenty of hotels for the early or late departing passengers but with different sailing times Poole would probably be a better base with a larger potential market. Its a little closer to the motorway network, has more frequent trains and if the simple fact is that Weymouth is not big enough to take the suggested new vessel, why would Condor wait for Portland to create something from nothing? Would it be worth the expenditure for Portland which appears to be developing as a repair location?[/p][/quote]There are pluses & minuses to your comment, Poole is currently having to juggle its 3 main Channel ferries on & off the one & only RORO that can accommodate them, if one is late arriving it throws the Port into Chaos & the problem is it has no capacity to expand, it will receive this year just 4 visits from a very small cruise ship (800 Pax), it has no real on site Car Park, the departure lounge whilst adequate is nothing to write home about, the road system to the Port can become congested without even trying & if the New Twin Sails Bridge packs up, which it does with alarming regularity, it becomes gridlocked, the rail station is a good walk from the Port & as far as I am aware there is no Bus Service, so its a Taxi.. Yes there are 4 decent sized hotels in the Town .. Whereas Portland is a ready made decent sized up & running Port with capacity to spare, this year it is expecting to receive 20 large Cruise ships & its expected that this will generate £6 million pounds or so for the local community, with that sort of money coming in a million or so to develop a RORO will be chicken feed, but I do accept your point about the infrastructure, road, rail & Hotels also need investment.[/p][/quote]Poole has 3 ferries operating from 2 RoRo beths at the moment. Barfy92
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