Bournemouth EchoSchool loses more than £1million in 'huge fraud' (From Bournemouth Echo)

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St Aldhelm's Academy in Poole loses £1million in fraud 'linked to eastern Europe'

Bournemouth Echo: St Aldhelm's Academy during build St Aldhelm's Academy during build

A POOLE secondary school has lost more than £1million after falling victim to a huge fraud.

St Aldhelm’s Academy was targeted in a scam believed to have been part of wider organised crime linked to eastern Europe.

The Daily Echo understands that the fraudsters, posing as bank staff in an email, tricked school finance chiefs into passing on codes relating to the school’s account.

They then withdrew £1.1m, which was part of the money for the school’s recent £9.8m rebuilding programme was carried out by developers Kier.

It is understood that the money came from the Education Funding Agency, an arm of the Department of Education and that Whitehall demanding it back at the rate of around £75,000 a month.

A source close to the school branded the fraud “a disaster”.

Police are still investigating the fraud, which was perpetrated last summer.

Officers from Dorset have been involved with national crime agencies and other forces, including the Met and Action Fraud, as part of a wider enquiry.

Other institutions in the UK have also been targeted.

It is another blow to the school, which posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012.

In a statement, headteacher Cheryl Heron said: “St Aldhelm’s was subject to an external fraud in July last year.

“The academy acted swiftly, referred the matter immediately to the police and the case is still being investigated.

“The fraud has not impacted on the day-to-day running of the academy or our recent building work, which was completed on schedule.

“It would be inappropriate to comment further while police investigations are ongoing.”

Bournemouth West MP, Conor Burns, who has worked closely with the school, told the Daily Echo: “This appalling fraud is a very sad and serious event for the school.

“I have been aware of it for some time and working with ministers to try to support the school as much as possible.

“The key priority for me and them is to ensure that as the school seeks to recover from this blow and that the focus remains firmly on giving the young people who learn there the best possible start in life.

“Having worked very closely with the school and knowing how involved ministers and senior officials are, I am confident that we will soon have positive developments for St Aldhelm’s.”

Kier declined to comment.

A Department for Education spokesperson added: “St Aldhelm’s has been the victim of a sophisticated serious fraud by a third party.

“The matter was immediately referred to the police and Action Fraud by the academy trust and to the EFA. The matter continues to be investigated by the police.”

  • WHEN the school re- launched as St Aldhelm’s in 2010, it was announced that it would embark upon a major rebuilding programme.

Part of that was a new £9.8million building, the topping-out ceremony for which was held in May 2013.

Other buildings were also refurbished and the school said that it planned to hold an official opening a year later, in May this year.

Re-launch

THE school, formerly known as Rossmore Community College and relaunched as Poole’s first academy in 2010, is a Church of England Academy and has 504 students aged 11-19.

Its sponsors are Bournemouth University and the Diocese of Salisbury.

Academies are state-maintained schools directly funded by central government and independent of their local education authority.

They are self governing.

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7:56am Mon 7 Apr 14

billy bumble says...

Seems a strange thing to happen - most people especially in the financial profession are scam savvy these days

More to this than meets the eye perhaps?
Seems a strange thing to happen - most people especially in the financial profession are scam savvy these days More to this than meets the eye perhaps? billy bumble
  • Score: 76

7:58am Mon 7 Apr 14

whataboutthat says...

Yes, look at the insiders would be my first port of call.
Yes, look at the insiders would be my first port of call. whataboutthat
  • Score: 64

8:11am Mon 7 Apr 14

justsayithowitis says...

You get an email allegedly from your bank asking for details for your bank account. You give them the details. Really. Who would do that. Staff need sacking at the very least
You get an email allegedly from your bank asking for details for your bank account. You give them the details. Really. Who would do that. Staff need sacking at the very least justsayithowitis
  • Score: 125

8:18am Mon 7 Apr 14

Tripod says...

I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.
I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away. Tripod
  • Score: 143

8:24am Mon 7 Apr 14

boyerboy says...

What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ? boyerboy
  • Score: 74

8:34am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Tripod wrote:
I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.
Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%.

There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.[/p][/quote]Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%. There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest.. JackJohnson
  • Score: 47

8:42am Mon 7 Apr 14

trolley says...

And these are meant to be intelligent people.unbelievable stupidity doesn't cover it.
And these are meant to be intelligent people.unbelievable stupidity doesn't cover it. trolley
  • Score: 54

8:44am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous' JackJohnson
  • Score: 37

8:49am Mon 7 Apr 14

twynham says...

If the teaching staff are as thick as school finance chiefs it's no wonder they posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012.

"Sophisticated fraud" my rse, it's the oldest trick in the internet book.
If the teaching staff are as thick as school finance chiefs it's no wonder they posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012. "Sophisticated fraud" my rse, it's the oldest trick in the internet book. twynham
  • Score: 69

8:50am Mon 7 Apr 14

RM says...

If this happened last summer why has it been kept so quiet until now? S**t about to hit the fan? Seems very strange - Echo, please do some 'digging'.
If this happened last summer why has it been kept so quiet until now? S**t about to hit the fan? Seems very strange - Echo, please do some 'digging'. RM
  • Score: 50

9:00am Mon 7 Apr 14

BIGTONE says...

How can you withdraw 1.1 Million without bank confirmation,checks etc?

Is it any wonder these crime syndicates target us.

They would have been laughing all the way to the bank.
How can you withdraw 1.1 Million without bank confirmation,checks etc? Is it any wonder these crime syndicates target us. They would have been laughing all the way to the bank. BIGTONE
  • Score: 43

9:02am Mon 7 Apr 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

The biggest fraud is that school failing it's pupils and residents for years.
I live in Upper Parkstone and the catchment zone for that school is very large. The only way to ensure my son does not go to that school is to ensure he is a genius and goes to Grammar or find God so he goes to St Edwards.
Thus I will be forced to move out of Parkstone and a more expensive area to escape the clutches of that life-condemning school.
It's a disgrace. It always has been and I don't see a new 9m pounds building changing that any time soon.
The biggest fraud is that school failing it's pupils and residents for years. I live in Upper Parkstone and the catchment zone for that school is very large. The only way to ensure my son does not go to that school is to ensure he is a genius and goes to Grammar or find God so he goes to St Edwards. Thus I will be forced to move out of Parkstone and a more expensive area to escape the clutches of that life-condemning school. It's a disgrace. It always has been and I don't see a new 9m pounds building changing that any time soon. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 74

9:18am Mon 7 Apr 14

Bournemouth87 says...

Well this explains why the school has the worst GCSE results if the teachers and staff are that incompitent. Unlucky if your child goes to that school. I would be taking mine out asap. Home education would be better.
Well this explains why the school has the worst GCSE results if the teachers and staff are that incompitent. Unlucky if your child goes to that school. I would be taking mine out asap. Home education would be better. Bournemouth87
  • Score: 37

9:24am Mon 7 Apr 14

skydriver says...

Who in their right mind gives bank details out from an email request or indeed over the phone , and this is the head were talking about, and she in charge of teaching our children right and wrong, well she sadly needs to return to school for some teaching . Now I ask myself if this phone call/ email was to do with her personal bank account would she have been so keen to do as she has done. Doubtful !!
This person is not fit for purpose.
Who in their right mind gives bank details out from an email request or indeed over the phone , and this is the head were talking about, and she in charge of teaching our children right and wrong, well she sadly needs to return to school for some teaching . Now I ask myself if this phone call/ email was to do with her personal bank account would she have been so keen to do as she has done. Doubtful !! This person is not fit for purpose. skydriver
  • Score: 36

9:24am Mon 7 Apr 14

we-shall-see says...

I am absolutely speechless! These scams are well known and have been pretty much since the internet was invented. How could the staff have been caught by it?!?!!

Sheer stupidity at best and down right incompetence in my opinion. I hope they sack the people involved and hold them to account!
I am absolutely speechless! These scams are well known and have been pretty much since the internet was invented. How could the staff have been caught by it?!?!! Sheer stupidity at best and down right incompetence in my opinion. I hope they sack the people involved and hold them to account! we-shall-see
  • Score: 35

9:26am Mon 7 Apr 14

contric says...

the headmistress forget to say the same old tripe we take fraud seriously
the headmistress forget to say the same old tripe we take fraud seriously contric
  • Score: 25

9:31am Mon 7 Apr 14

Tripod says...

JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
Call it St Trinians, that should clean-up it's image ;-)
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]Call it St Trinians, that should clean-up it's image ;-) Tripod
  • Score: 16

9:34am Mon 7 Apr 14

Huey says...

Sack the idiot who has cost us taxpayers £1m.
Sack the idiot who has cost us taxpayers £1m. Huey
  • Score: 32

9:35am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy.

Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.
Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy. Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible. JackJohnson
  • Score: 28

9:37am Mon 7 Apr 14

sea poole says...

Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...? sea poole
  • Score: -39

9:38am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Tripod wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
Call it St Trinians, that should clean-up it's image ;-)
No. Definitely St Credulous'

He's the patron saint for the gullible.
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]Call it St Trinians, that should clean-up it's image ;-)[/p][/quote]No. Definitely St Credulous' He's the patron saint for the gullible. JackJohnson
  • Score: 20

9:46am Mon 7 Apr 14

billy bumble says...

sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
While I tend to agree with you in broad principle this is a VERY different kettle of fish and has something seriously wrong written all over it

We are MORE than entitled to be cynical and critical
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]While I tend to agree with you in broad principle this is a VERY different kettle of fish and has something seriously wrong written all over it We are MORE than entitled to be cynical and critical billy bumble
  • Score: 31

9:46am Mon 7 Apr 14

Baysider says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy.

Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.
Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy. Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.[/p][/quote]Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works? Baysider
  • Score: -1

9:52am Mon 7 Apr 14

fartycat says...

The sheer folly of removing local authority control (and with it years of experience of running the finance of schools) and instead placing it in the hands of a "business manager" which most schools seem to employ nowadays!
The sheer folly of removing local authority control (and with it years of experience of running the finance of schools) and instead placing it in the hands of a "business manager" which most schools seem to employ nowadays! fartycat
  • Score: 40

10:00am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Baysider wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy.

Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.
Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?
As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security.

These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot.

Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy. Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.[/p][/quote]Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?[/p][/quote]As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security. These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot. Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it. JackJohnson
  • Score: 20

10:10am Mon 7 Apr 14

Baysider says...

fartycat wrote:
The sheer folly of removing local authority control (and with it years of experience of running the finance of schools) and instead placing it in the hands of a "business manager" which most schools seem to employ nowadays!
Ahh...well there's the nub of the issue isn't it. The simple fact is that the systems in place in a local authority run establishment would (probably) have picked this up at a very early stage and prevented this but instead it's clear that whatever this academy had in place wasn't good enough.

But before the Echo lynch mob get on their horses let's not be too quick to blame an individual when there are millions falling victim to scams every year losing billions of pounds.
[quote][p][bold]fartycat[/bold] wrote: The sheer folly of removing local authority control (and with it years of experience of running the finance of schools) and instead placing it in the hands of a "business manager" which most schools seem to employ nowadays![/p][/quote]Ahh...well there's the nub of the issue isn't it. The simple fact is that the systems in place in a local authority run establishment would (probably) have picked this up at a very early stage and prevented this but instead it's clear that whatever this academy had in place wasn't good enough. But before the Echo lynch mob get on their horses let's not be too quick to blame an individual when there are millions falling victim to scams every year losing billions of pounds. Baysider
  • Score: 5

10:13am Mon 7 Apr 14

Teddy 1 says...

Dreadful school. I unfortunately had dealings with the school as a member of the public. The staff in the front desk were arrogant and rude to me. My issue raised wasnt taken seriously...it was the next day the I received a call from another member of staff who seemed embarrased but not surprised by the less than professional treatment I received. Staff on the front desk you may be less well paid but if you are reading this and work in that role at the school...your attitude and manner reflects the school to those attending (staff and pupils) and outside members of the public...which could also be employers. If you dont like the job then leavve or get a better attitude!!

Very slap-dash school. Very low opinion of the head of the school.

Has the finance person been sacked due to total lavk of common sense. ...very strange that account details were given out...in a time we are constantly reminded not to!!!

Shame.
Dreadful school. I unfortunately had dealings with the school as a member of the public. The staff in the front desk were arrogant and rude to me. My issue raised wasnt taken seriously...it was the next day the I received a call from another member of staff who seemed embarrased but not surprised by the less than professional treatment I received. Staff on the front desk you may be less well paid but if you are reading this and work in that role at the school...your attitude and manner reflects the school to those attending (staff and pupils) and outside members of the public...which could also be employers. If you dont like the job then leavve or get a better attitude!! Very slap-dash school. Very low opinion of the head of the school. Has the finance person been sacked due to total lavk of common sense. ...very strange that account details were given out...in a time we are constantly reminded not to!!! Shame. Teddy 1
  • Score: 29

10:16am Mon 7 Apr 14

roguetrader666 says...

And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.
And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world. roguetrader666
  • Score: 10

10:17am Mon 7 Apr 14

susie a says...

How could so called "finance officers " have been so stupid! I run a company and get targeted every week by attempted scam e-mails. Most of them are so blatantly suspicious - I find it incredible that a finance officer employed by the school would be so stupid and reckless as to fall for this and waste public money. Sadly this school has disaster written all over it - 9 million plus of public money and numerous changes of name - you can change the name, building etc but you cant change the clientele!!
How could so called "finance officers " have been so stupid! I run a company and get targeted every week by attempted scam e-mails. Most of them are so blatantly suspicious - I find it incredible that a finance officer employed by the school would be so stupid and reckless as to fall for this and waste public money. Sadly this school has disaster written all over it - 9 million plus of public money and numerous changes of name - you can change the name, building etc but you cant change the clientele!! susie a
  • Score: 30

10:18am Mon 7 Apr 14

TheDistrict says...

It is a well known fact that banks will not telephone and ask for your security details, passwords, codes etc. A Grade Z to those responsible.
It is a well known fact that banks will not telephone and ask for your security details, passwords, codes etc. A Grade Z to those responsible. TheDistrict
  • Score: 26

10:20am Mon 7 Apr 14

Baysider says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Baysider wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy.

Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.
Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?
As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security.

These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot.

Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's a couple of years old but the link below gives you an idea of the cost of fraud to the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/news/cost-
of-fraud-revealed-in
-new-report

There are big, big numbers there right across the private/public sector so your theory that it's due to a few gullible individuals or inside jobs just doesn't stand up to logic.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy. Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.[/p][/quote]Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?[/p][/quote]As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security. These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot. Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's a couple of years old but the link below gives you an idea of the cost of fraud to the UK. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/cost- of-fraud-revealed-in -new-report There are big, big numbers there right across the private/public sector so your theory that it's due to a few gullible individuals or inside jobs just doesn't stand up to logic. Baysider
  • Score: -9

10:21am Mon 7 Apr 14

504gld says...

Are we sure this school isn't run by Amber Spottiswood?
Are we sure this school isn't run by Amber Spottiswood? 504gld
  • Score: 8

10:23am Mon 7 Apr 14

canfordcherry says...

Sounds to easy to be true.
I think the kids should give the directors 'internet safety' lessons as this should never have happened.
Heads need to roll if they haven't done the honourable thing and left already, whom ever is responsible has let down these pupils big time.
Sounds to easy to be true. I think the kids should give the directors 'internet safety' lessons as this should never have happened. Heads need to roll if they haven't done the honourable thing and left already, whom ever is responsible has let down these pupils big time. canfordcherry
  • Score: 13

10:25am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
You get an email allegedly from your bank asking for details for your bank account. You give them the details. Really. Who would do that. Staff need sacking at the very least
LOL.

If anyone on the 'phone ever claims they're your bank and asks for your bank account details just tell them they've already got them.

If it's an email just delete it. Don't reply as your email address will become more valuable, as they now know it's active. They'll sell it on to other scammers/spammers and the number of spam/scam emails you receive will increase.

Don't trust any Microsoft email clients - especially older versions. They're not good at security. Use Thunderbird and set it so it doesn't display images or execute any code. A unique image, if it's displayed, in 'your' email can tell the sender that your email address is active and you have displayed the email they sent you. A 'unique' image can even be a single transparent pixel, so you would never know it's there unless you look for it in the code.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: You get an email allegedly from your bank asking for details for your bank account. You give them the details. Really. Who would do that. Staff need sacking at the very least[/p][/quote]LOL. If anyone on the 'phone ever claims they're your bank and asks for your bank account details just tell them they've already got them. If it's an email just delete it. Don't reply as your email address will become more valuable, as they now know it's active. They'll sell it on to other scammers/spammers and the number of spam/scam emails you receive will increase. Don't trust any Microsoft email clients - especially older versions. They're not good at security. Use Thunderbird and set it so it doesn't display images or execute any code. A unique image, if it's displayed, in 'your' email can tell the sender that your email address is active and you have displayed the email they sent you. A 'unique' image can even be a single transparent pixel, so you would never know it's there unless you look for it in the code. JackJohnson
  • Score: 13

10:29am Mon 7 Apr 14

vicarinatutu says...

Here's how it works:
The Principal - in this case one whose qualification is a teacher of P.E., and a group of lay governors - members of the church, the university, concerned parents- appoint a finance director. None of the appointees has experience or knowledge in the apparent area of expertise of the appointed.
The finance director apparently makes an error which results in a million pounds being lost. The finance director loses his/her job presumably and the principal and governors proclaim themselves innocent victims of a fraud. The tax payers pick up the tab.
It is a system which lacks the design to prevent problems such as these. The academy system is to blame here.
Here's how it works: The Principal - in this case one whose qualification is a teacher of P.E., and a group of lay governors - members of the church, the university, concerned parents- appoint a finance director. None of the appointees has experience or knowledge in the apparent area of expertise of the appointed. The finance director apparently makes an error which results in a million pounds being lost. The finance director loses his/her job presumably and the principal and governors proclaim themselves innocent victims of a fraud. The tax payers pick up the tab. It is a system which lacks the design to prevent problems such as these. The academy system is to blame here. vicarinatutu
  • Score: 27

10:33am Mon 7 Apr 14

BH1 loyal says...

sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Do you think people should be happy that these dangerous people have just been made 1million pounds richer ? And Kemp Welch having a huge rise in GCSE results HA April the 1st was the other day.
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Do you think people should be happy that these dangerous people have just been made 1million pounds richer ? And Kemp Welch having a huge rise in GCSE results HA April the 1st was the other day. BH1 loyal
  • Score: 9

10:37am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Baysider wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Baysider wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy.

Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.
Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?
As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security.

These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot.

Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's a couple of years old but the link below gives you an idea of the cost of fraud to the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/news/cost-

of-fraud-revealed-in

-new-report

There are big, big numbers there right across the private/public sector so your theory that it's due to a few gullible individuals or inside jobs just doesn't stand up to logic.
True that the amounts are quite astonishing. How can people let themselves fall for something so widely known and is so easy to avoid?

Doesn't change the fact, though, that there is still the possibility of an inside job. A possibility that should be thoroughly investigated.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy. Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.[/p][/quote]Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?[/p][/quote]As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security. These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot. Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's a couple of years old but the link below gives you an idea of the cost of fraud to the UK. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/cost- of-fraud-revealed-in -new-report There are big, big numbers there right across the private/public sector so your theory that it's due to a few gullible individuals or inside jobs just doesn't stand up to logic.[/p][/quote]True that the amounts are quite astonishing. How can people let themselves fall for something so widely known and is so easy to avoid? Doesn't change the fact, though, that there is still the possibility of an inside job. A possibility that should be thoroughly investigated. JackJohnson
  • Score: 20

10:42am Mon 7 Apr 14

Teddy 1 says...

vicarinatutu wrote:
Here's how it works:
The Principal - in this case one whose qualification is a teacher of P.E., and a group of lay governors - members of the church, the university, concerned parents- appoint a finance director. None of the appointees has experience or knowledge in the apparent area of expertise of the appointed.
The finance director apparently makes an error which results in a million pounds being lost. The finance director loses his/her job presumably and the principal and governors proclaim themselves innocent victims of a fraud. The tax payers pick up the tab.
It is a system which lacks the design to prevent problems such as these. The academy system is to blame here.
This academy thing is such a worry. As you say the schools are 'run' by teachers with often no idea of business. Soon all poole schools will be academies paying teachers (good and bad) higher salaries as the market rate will increase. Who will lose out...oh yes, tge children with less money in the pot for their education. Whereas I dont really rate the council ed dept...they are better the devil we know than those on governing bodies who are often old and out of touch or too pally with the head to be objective and maintain a professional objectiveness..or just looking for cv points !!
[quote][p][bold]vicarinatutu[/bold] wrote: Here's how it works: The Principal - in this case one whose qualification is a teacher of P.E., and a group of lay governors - members of the church, the university, concerned parents- appoint a finance director. None of the appointees has experience or knowledge in the apparent area of expertise of the appointed. The finance director apparently makes an error which results in a million pounds being lost. The finance director loses his/her job presumably and the principal and governors proclaim themselves innocent victims of a fraud. The tax payers pick up the tab. It is a system which lacks the design to prevent problems such as these. The academy system is to blame here.[/p][/quote]This academy thing is such a worry. As you say the schools are 'run' by teachers with often no idea of business. Soon all poole schools will be academies paying teachers (good and bad) higher salaries as the market rate will increase. Who will lose out...oh yes, tge children with less money in the pot for their education. Whereas I dont really rate the council ed dept...they are better the devil we know than those on governing bodies who are often old and out of touch or too pally with the head to be objective and maintain a professional objectiveness..or just looking for cv points !! Teddy 1
  • Score: 18

10:48am Mon 7 Apr 14

susi.m says...

How thick are some school staff.
Buck stops with the Head Im afraid - she appointed these thick people.
Anyway she cant be too bright herself - if she was that good she would be Head of a decent school.
How thick are some school staff. Buck stops with the Head Im afraid - she appointed these thick people. Anyway she cant be too bright herself - if she was that good she would be Head of a decent school. susi.m
  • Score: 16

10:56am Mon 7 Apr 14

fartycat says...

roguetrader666 wrote:
And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.
Not sure how to tell you this roguetrader666 but when a school converts from LEA control to an Academy it sort of acts like it's in the private sector, it;s independent of the council, with lots of freedoms to appoint it's own finance office and business managers. Sorry to burst your anti public sector bubble!
[quote][p][bold]roguetrader666[/bold] wrote: And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.[/p][/quote]Not sure how to tell you this roguetrader666 but when a school converts from LEA control to an Academy it sort of acts like it's in the private sector, it;s independent of the council, with lots of freedoms to appoint it's own finance office and business managers. Sorry to burst your anti public sector bubble! fartycat
  • Score: 26

11:04am Mon 7 Apr 14

BmthNewshound says...

This is nothing short of gross incompetence on the part of school staff. Only a complete idiot would respond to an email requesting sensitive information about a bank account without first telephoning the bank for confirmation. All banks constantly make customers aware that they will never request information relating to PIN numbers and passwords by email.
.
If this fraud happened last summer why has it taken so long for this to be made public ?. This is taxpayers money and the real victims in this fraud are hardworking taxpayers. What the article doesn't state is whether the person responsible for this act of gross incompetence has been disciplined.
This is nothing short of gross incompetence on the part of school staff. Only a complete idiot would respond to an email requesting sensitive information about a bank account without first telephoning the bank for confirmation. All banks constantly make customers aware that they will never request information relating to PIN numbers and passwords by email. . If this fraud happened last summer why has it taken so long for this to be made public ?. This is taxpayers money and the real victims in this fraud are hardworking taxpayers. What the article doesn't state is whether the person responsible for this act of gross incompetence has been disciplined. BmthNewshound
  • Score: 21

11:05am Mon 7 Apr 14

BubbaJay says...

"the school....posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012."

Hardly surprising when the idiots who are running the school are so stupid that they would give out enough confidential information about the school's bank account that a third party can withdraw money from it !
The pupils don't stand much of a chance when they're being lead by such incompetent people.
"the school....posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012." Hardly surprising when the idiots who are running the school are so stupid that they would give out enough confidential information about the school's bank account that a third party can withdraw money from it ! The pupils don't stand much of a chance when they're being lead by such incompetent people. BubbaJay
  • Score: 9

11:18am Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
This is nothing short of gross incompetence on the part of school staff. Only a complete idiot would respond to an email requesting sensitive information about a bank account without first telephoning the bank for confirmation. All banks constantly make customers aware that they will never request information relating to PIN numbers and passwords by email.
.
If this fraud happened last summer why has it taken so long for this to be made public ?. This is taxpayers money and the real victims in this fraud are hardworking taxpayers. What the article doesn't state is whether the person responsible for this act of gross incompetence has been disciplined.
I get the impression that the money seems to be the 'loose change' from a grant for a modernisation programme. Whithall requested it back at £75,000 a month. Perhaps it was in an idle account that no-one was checking and balancing.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: This is nothing short of gross incompetence on the part of school staff. Only a complete idiot would respond to an email requesting sensitive information about a bank account without first telephoning the bank for confirmation. All banks constantly make customers aware that they will never request information relating to PIN numbers and passwords by email. . If this fraud happened last summer why has it taken so long for this to be made public ?. This is taxpayers money and the real victims in this fraud are hardworking taxpayers. What the article doesn't state is whether the person responsible for this act of gross incompetence has been disciplined.[/p][/quote]I get the impression that the money seems to be the 'loose change' from a grant for a modernisation programme. Whithall requested it back at £75,000 a month. Perhaps it was in an idle account that no-one was checking and balancing. JackJohnson
  • Score: 6

11:23am Mon 7 Apr 14

PokesdownMark says...

I would like to know more about the specific nature of the fraud before making judgement. I think it unlikely to be of the simplest email type. An initial email may have first been involved. But I would think it was telephone based social engineering after that and we can all fall victim to that type of activity.

If you don't know what social engineering fraud is, it is very well worth spending some time with google or reading online extracts of Kevin Mitnicks books on the topic. Pretty essential as a life skill these days.
I would like to know more about the specific nature of the fraud before making judgement. I think it unlikely to be of the simplest email type. An initial email may have first been involved. But I would think it was telephone based social engineering after that and we can all fall victim to that type of activity. If you don't know what social engineering fraud is, it is very well worth spending some time with google or reading online extracts of Kevin Mitnicks books on the topic. Pretty essential as a life skill these days. PokesdownMark
  • Score: 3

11:31am Mon 7 Apr 14

speedy231278 says...

Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.
Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked. speedy231278
  • Score: 5

11:35am Mon 7 Apr 14

Tonytolle says...

What we need are closer ties with our European neighbours.
What we need are closer ties with our European neighbours. Tonytolle
  • Score: 1

11:47am Mon 7 Apr 14

Reds14 says...

What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it?

I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line.

And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there??

Give the school a chance people!
What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it? I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line. And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there?? Give the school a chance people! Reds14
  • Score: -4

12:11pm Mon 7 Apr 14

ekimnoslen says...

billy bumble wrote:
Seems a strange thing to happen - most people especially in the financial profession are scam savvy these days

More to this than meets the eye perhaps?
Staggering incompetence. We all know never to give financial details over the phone or on email, except apparently these professionals.
They should repay personally .
[quote][p][bold]billy bumble[/bold] wrote: Seems a strange thing to happen - most people especially in the financial profession are scam savvy these days More to this than meets the eye perhaps?[/p][/quote]Staggering incompetence. We all know never to give financial details over the phone or on email, except apparently these professionals. They should repay personally . ekimnoslen
  • Score: 4

12:19pm Mon 7 Apr 14

arti273 says...

This was a monument c**k up, but I doubt that this was a case of someone clicking on a link in a "Dear Customer" email saying their "Internet Banking Access had been declined".

These gangs invest time and money (you can see why), doing a lot of research into names of staff (easy to find), bank and bank details (could be online for receiving payments) to personalise emails.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them for one minute it was still stupid to had over security codes. Maybe they would have thought twice if it was their own money in the account.
This was a monument c**k up, but I doubt that this was a case of someone clicking on a link in a "Dear Customer" email saying their "Internet Banking Access had been declined". These gangs invest time and money (you can see why), doing a lot of research into names of staff (easy to find), bank and bank details (could be online for receiving payments) to personalise emails. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them for one minute it was still stupid to had over security codes. Maybe they would have thought twice if it was their own money in the account. arti273
  • Score: 9

12:28pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Marty Caine UKIP says...

Reds14 wrote:
What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it?

I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line.

And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there??

Give the school a chance people!
Considering it had the lowest results in the UK in 2012 I would say the line should be it used to be good but not anymore, I actually went to Kemp Welch, which is what it used to be called and it had a far higher standard of education then than it does now, as two of my sons who actually attended St Aldhelm's Academy are clear evidence of, their writing and arithmetic skills are nowhere near to what mine was when I left. Though this is the case right across the country today.

But £1.1 million of taxpayers money has been stolen and I sincerely hope that the police manage to find out not only who stole this money but also who allowed this to happen, someone within the school is certainly at fault here.
[quote][p][bold]Reds14[/bold] wrote: What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it? I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line. And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there?? Give the school a chance people![/p][/quote]Considering it had the lowest results in the UK in 2012 I would say the line should be it used to be good but not anymore, I actually went to Kemp Welch, which is what it used to be called and it had a far higher standard of education then than it does now, as two of my sons who actually attended St Aldhelm's Academy are clear evidence of, their writing and arithmetic skills are nowhere near to what mine was when I left. Though this is the case right across the country today. But £1.1 million of taxpayers money has been stolen and I sincerely hope that the police manage to find out not only who stole this money but also who allowed this to happen, someone within the school is certainly at fault here. Marty Caine UKIP
  • Score: 10

1:11pm Mon 7 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door.

And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity.

Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?
As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door. And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity. Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle? muscliffman
  • Score: 16

1:17pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
[quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world. Tony Trent
  • Score: -1

1:20pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

muscliffman wrote:
As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door.

And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity.

Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?
It wouldn't surprise me if it was kept quiet while it was investigated. Alternatively, if it was an idle account nobody was checking it's not impossible that the account was cleared out during the summer. If Whitehall asked for the balance back in instalments (possibly during the 2014-2015 financial year) it might not be discovered until early 2014.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door. And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity. Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't surprise me if it was kept quiet while it was investigated. Alternatively, if it was an idle account nobody was checking it's not impossible that the account was cleared out during the summer. If Whitehall asked for the balance back in instalments (possibly during the 2014-2015 financial year) it might not be discovered until early 2014. JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Mon 7 Apr 14

pete woodley says...

Too many statements on here before we know the whole story.
Too many statements on here before we know the whole story. pete woodley
  • Score: 7

1:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

SimonJB says...

The whole things stinks of someone on the inside helping someone scam the education authority. WHY when 99% of the UK know about these scams, the "You need to re-set your account" and the "Your account has seen unusual activity" to name but two that have been doing the rounds for the last 4 years, does someone give a bunch of crooks access to the account? Maybe they left a student in-charge of the accounts...No I'm thinking someone has something to hide and not just the "Eastern Block" hacker!!
The whole things stinks of someone on the inside helping someone scam the education authority. WHY when 99% of the UK know about these scams, the "You need to re-set your account" and the "Your account has seen unusual activity" to name but two that have been doing the rounds for the last 4 years, does someone give a bunch of crooks access to the account? Maybe they left a student in-charge of the accounts...No I'm thinking someone has something to hide and not just the "Eastern Block" hacker!! SimonJB
  • Score: 9

1:37pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

Reds14 wrote:
What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it?

I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line.

And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there??

Give the school a chance people!
You are so right. One of the problems they have to face is the literacy of some of the youngsters they take in, and the extra work needed to bring them up to a standard to sit exams. This is not the school's fault but greatly affects the results at the other end. There is no reason why the more able youngsters can't do just as well here as at any other local school. I went to Kemp Welch many years ago and fared OK, but would have fared better in this day and age with the more imaginative forms of teaching, and less pigeonholing you get nowadays. What is lacking in a few cases is responsible parenting. There are some homes where you will not find anything for the children to read - just a lot of gadgets and gizmos that "keep them quiet" but don't help them with the basic needed to learn.
[quote][p][bold]Reds14[/bold] wrote: What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it? I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line. And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there?? Give the school a chance people![/p][/quote]You are so right. One of the problems they have to face is the literacy of some of the youngsters they take in, and the extra work needed to bring them up to a standard to sit exams. This is not the school's fault but greatly affects the results at the other end. There is no reason why the more able youngsters can't do just as well here as at any other local school. I went to Kemp Welch many years ago and fared OK, but would have fared better in this day and age with the more imaginative forms of teaching, and less pigeonholing you get nowadays. What is lacking in a few cases is responsible parenting. There are some homes where you will not find anything for the children to read - just a lot of gadgets and gizmos that "keep them quiet" but don't help them with the basic needed to learn. Tony Trent
  • Score: 13

1:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

fartycat wrote:
The sheer folly of removing local authority control (and with it years of experience of running the finance of schools) and instead placing it in the hands of a "business manager" which most schools seem to employ nowadays!
Blame the last two Governments for that. They created an environment where schools had to opt out to get new buildings or the freedom to educate outside the narrow rules. Local Authorities should have been allowed to manage schools without the level of interference they were getting from Govt. and allowed to get the grants and do the building themselves. We have had centralist control from this, the last, and previous Governments and are now finding out that there is no miracle cure. Schools need help and investment, and people themselves need to share in their children's upbringing too!
[quote][p][bold]fartycat[/bold] wrote: The sheer folly of removing local authority control (and with it years of experience of running the finance of schools) and instead placing it in the hands of a "business manager" which most schools seem to employ nowadays![/p][/quote]Blame the last two Governments for that. They created an environment where schools had to opt out to get new buildings or the freedom to educate outside the narrow rules. Local Authorities should have been allowed to manage schools without the level of interference they were getting from Govt. and allowed to get the grants and do the building themselves. We have had centralist control from this, the last, and previous Governments and are now finding out that there is no miracle cure. Schools need help and investment, and people themselves need to share in their children's upbringing too! Tony Trent
  • Score: 1

1:48pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

pete woodley wrote:
Too many statements on here before we know the whole story.
What hope do the schools have for the kids they're supposed to try to turn out as genii if the input to the process often isn't even toilet trained?
[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote: Too many statements on here before we know the whole story.[/p][/quote]What hope do the schools have for the kids they're supposed to try to turn out as genii if the input to the process often isn't even toilet trained? JackJohnson
  • Score: -1

1:58pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Molecatcher says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Tripod wrote:
I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.
Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%.

There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..
I wonder if that's the same Mr Undogo that sent me an email. I was delighted. I wrote back to him and asked him to send me a cheque for the 10 Mil... I told him that he could trust me and that as soon as the cheque clears, I would transfer the money he requires into his account. I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm sure the cheque is on its way...
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.[/p][/quote]Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%. There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's the same Mr Undogo that sent me an email. I was delighted. I wrote back to him and asked him to send me a cheque for the 10 Mil... I told him that he could trust me and that as soon as the cheque clears, I would transfer the money he requires into his account. I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm sure the cheque is on its way... Molecatcher
  • Score: 5

2:01pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Northstand_dan says...

What I find strange is that whilst everyone is saying how people should be sacked and such what strikes me is that if you are a school which is operating like/as a business then you should have a set of policies and procedures to work from which for most part are common sense and based on best practices and every day operational standards which would prevent something as basic as this happening. Employ people qualified to do these things properly and leave the teachers to to do the jobs they're paid to do.
What I find strange is that whilst everyone is saying how people should be sacked and such what strikes me is that if you are a school which is operating like/as a business then you should have a set of policies and procedures to work from which for most part are common sense and based on best practices and every day operational standards which would prevent something as basic as this happening. Employ people qualified to do these things properly and leave the teachers to to do the jobs they're paid to do. Northstand_dan
  • Score: 3

2:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Molecatcher wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Tripod wrote:
I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.
Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%.

There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..
I wonder if that's the same Mr Undogo that sent me an email. I was delighted. I wrote back to him and asked him to send me a cheque for the 10 Mil... I told him that he could trust me and that as soon as the cheque clears, I would transfer the money he requires into his account. I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm sure the cheque is on its way...
No! You've got to transfer money to him first, via Western Union. When he's got his money he mails you the cheque which you can then pay in to your bank.
[quote][p][bold]Molecatcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.[/p][/quote]Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%. There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's the same Mr Undogo that sent me an email. I was delighted. I wrote back to him and asked him to send me a cheque for the 10 Mil... I told him that he could trust me and that as soon as the cheque clears, I would transfer the money he requires into his account. I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm sure the cheque is on its way...[/p][/quote]No! You've got to transfer money to him first, via Western Union. When he's got his money he mails you the cheque which you can then pay in to your bank. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

2:05pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Molecatcher says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.
No. They should be in front of the beak.
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.[/p][/quote]No. They should be in front of the beak. Molecatcher
  • Score: 3

2:17pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Molecatcher says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Molecatcher wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Tripod wrote:
I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.
Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%.

There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..
I wonder if that's the same Mr Undogo that sent me an email. I was delighted. I wrote back to him and asked him to send me a cheque for the 10 Mil... I told him that he could trust me and that as soon as the cheque clears, I would transfer the money he requires into his account. I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm sure the cheque is on its way...
No! You've got to transfer money to him first, via Western Union. When he's got his money he mails you the cheque which you can then pay in to your bank.
Well, I could do that I suppose... He is a Prince after all... Well, why not. I mean, you hear so many bad things about people in Nigeria and Eastern Europe trying to con people out of money. I'm sure this can't be a scam though... He is a Prince, and as you say, wouldn't be so dishonest. Especially since I am only trying to help him sort out his 10 Mil. The amount he wants is easily covered by the "commission" he has promised. What's the worst that could happen?...
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Molecatcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.[/p][/quote]Isn't he a Nigerian prince? The government there have been trying to get their hands on his money for years. Now he wants to get it out of the country to keep it safe. He asked for my bank details about a year ago. He plans to transfer it into my bank account, then I have to transfer it into another account for him, taking my 10%. There's nothing been paid in yet, but some ******** has taken a shedload of money out. Can't have been him, though - a prince wouln't be so dishonest..[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's the same Mr Undogo that sent me an email. I was delighted. I wrote back to him and asked him to send me a cheque for the 10 Mil... I told him that he could trust me and that as soon as the cheque clears, I would transfer the money he requires into his account. I haven't heard back from him yet, but I'm sure the cheque is on its way...[/p][/quote]No! You've got to transfer money to him first, via Western Union. When he's got his money he mails you the cheque which you can then pay in to your bank.[/p][/quote]Well, I could do that I suppose... He is a Prince after all... Well, why not. I mean, you hear so many bad things about people in Nigeria and Eastern Europe trying to con people out of money. I'm sure this can't be a scam though... He is a Prince, and as you say, wouldn't be so dishonest. Especially since I am only trying to help him sort out his 10 Mil. The amount he wants is easily covered by the "commission" he has promised. What's the worst that could happen?... Molecatcher
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Mon 7 Apr 14

muscliffman says...

JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door.

And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity.

Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?
It wouldn't surprise me if it was kept quiet while it was investigated. Alternatively, if it was an idle account nobody was checking it's not impossible that the account was cleared out during the summer. If Whitehall asked for the balance back in instalments (possibly during the 2014-2015 financial year) it might not be discovered until early 2014.
I cannot agree that it would have been appropriate or competent for any Bank Account with over £1million of public money in it to be left unmonitored by school officials. Especially so that (as you say) it could be "cleared out during the summer", because if any of us had the good fortune to have £1Million in a Bank Account I suspect we would be keeping a very close eye on it.

In the circumstances it also seems a little odd that there is no mention of any senior staff suspensions (without prejudice) during these formal inquiries, perhaps as others have said we must await more facts.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door. And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity. Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't surprise me if it was kept quiet while it was investigated. Alternatively, if it was an idle account nobody was checking it's not impossible that the account was cleared out during the summer. If Whitehall asked for the balance back in instalments (possibly during the 2014-2015 financial year) it might not be discovered until early 2014.[/p][/quote]I cannot agree that it would have been appropriate or competent for any Bank Account with over £1million of public money in it to be left unmonitored by school officials. Especially so that (as you say) it could be "cleared out during the summer", because if any of us had the good fortune to have £1Million in a Bank Account I suspect we would be keeping a very close eye on it. In the circumstances it also seems a little odd that there is no mention of any senior staff suspensions (without prejudice) during these formal inquiries, perhaps as others have said we must await more facts. muscliffman
  • Score: 7

2:21pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Baysider says...

Baysider wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Baysider wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy.

Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.
Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?
As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security.

These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot.

Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's a couple of years old but the link below gives you an idea of the cost of fraud to the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/news/cost-

of-fraud-revealed-in

-new-report

There are big, big numbers there right across the private/public sector so your theory that it's due to a few gullible individuals or inside jobs just doesn't stand up to logic.
Interesting that my post setting out some FACTS about the extent of scams in the country, their cost and how many people fall for them is getting thumbs down but not those seeking to find an individual to crucify for doing what millions of others do every year.

Nice work people.
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: Should have entrusted the finances to a first year. They'd have been more Internet/email savvy. Not that I really think, for a minute, this was just a naive mistake. I think there's a very low probability that anybody could be /that/ gullible.[/p][/quote]Well then you would be wrong then. Fraudster target millions of people and businesses every single day. Why do you think they do that if everyone is as clued up as you think you are? Are they doing it for fun or because it works?[/p][/quote]As I said, a very /low/ /probability/. Key words are 'low' = extremely unlikely, and 'probability' = chances of it happening. Awareness of this type of fraud is now high. Anybody with a financial background should be fully aware of account security. These scammers send out millions of emails (usually using hijacked computers) and get a very low hit rate. If this was a genuine mistake, the scammers really did hit the jackpot. Without a doubt, if it was up to me I would be seriously investigating whoever 'fell' for it.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but you are wrong. It's a couple of years old but the link below gives you an idea of the cost of fraud to the UK. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/cost- of-fraud-revealed-in -new-report There are big, big numbers there right across the private/public sector so your theory that it's due to a few gullible individuals or inside jobs just doesn't stand up to logic.[/p][/quote]Interesting that my post setting out some FACTS about the extent of scams in the country, their cost and how many people fall for them is getting thumbs down but not those seeking to find an individual to crucify for doing what millions of others do every year. Nice work people. Baysider
  • Score: -2

2:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

fireflier says...

Another aspect of just what happens when polychickens mess about with education and, 'all in the name of apparent progress' set about to dismantle systems which have operated well for years.

All these schools thought they were so clever when the lept to become Academies....but this one finds the folks in charge ain't as clever as they thought they were .... AND...... they have no-where to pass the buck!

Get yer piggy banks out folks! Someone will have to cover this loss!
Another aspect of just what happens when polychickens mess about with education and, 'all in the name of apparent progress' set about to dismantle systems which have operated well for years. All these schools thought they were so clever when the lept to become Academies....but this one finds the folks in charge ain't as clever as they thought they were .... AND...... they have no-where to pass the buck! Get yer piggy banks out folks! Someone will have to cover this loss! fireflier
  • Score: 7

2:43pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

Reds14 wrote:
What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it?

I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line.

And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there??

Give the school a chance people!
They've gone up 30 percent!

Whoopee do!

30 percent of 30 percent (30 percent of pupils from my recollection passed 5 GCSE's at Grade A to C) is 9 making a total of 39 percent.

Still the worst in Poole I would hazard a guess.

Definitely still a poor school.

That school has has loads of chances. They renamed it Rossmore Community College before it changed to St Aldhelms.

Give your kids a chance there is you want, I'm not with mine.
[quote][p][bold]Reds14[/bold] wrote: What a shame that members of the public have used this to yet again attack the school!! This has nothing to do with teaching or results so why has this even come into it? I presume that all these negative people have visited the school and looked round before writing how bad it is! You can't just go on the 'it used to be rubbish so still is' line. And just for info exams results have gone up nearly 30 percent the last two years.... Oh hang on .... No press release about that is there?? Give the school a chance people![/p][/quote]They've gone up 30 percent! Whoopee do! 30 percent of 30 percent (30 percent of pupils from my recollection passed 5 GCSE's at Grade A to C) is 9 making a total of 39 percent. Still the worst in Poole I would hazard a guess. Definitely still a poor school. That school has has loads of chances. They renamed it Rossmore Community College before it changed to St Aldhelms. Give your kids a chance there is you want, I'm not with mine. Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Victor_Meldrew_Lives! says...

And for the pedants - 2nd sentence from end should be 'has HAD loads' whilst the last sentence should be 'there IF you want'.

The place's low standards are rubbing off on me :-(
And for the pedants - 2nd sentence from end should be 'has HAD loads' whilst the last sentence should be 'there IF you want'. The place's low standards are rubbing off on me :-( Victor_Meldrew_Lives!
  • Score: 2

2:56pm Mon 7 Apr 14

justsayithowitis says...

Tony Trent wrote:
sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.[/p][/quote]You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes justsayithowitis
  • Score: -1

2:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

muscliffman wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
muscliffman wrote:
As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door.

And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity.

Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?
It wouldn't surprise me if it was kept quiet while it was investigated. Alternatively, if it was an idle account nobody was checking it's not impossible that the account was cleared out during the summer. If Whitehall asked for the balance back in instalments (possibly during the 2014-2015 financial year) it might not be discovered until early 2014.
I cannot agree that it would have been appropriate or competent for any Bank Account with over £1million of public money in it to be left unmonitored by school officials. Especially so that (as you say) it could be "cleared out during the summer", because if any of us had the good fortune to have £1Million in a Bank Account I suspect we would be keeping a very close eye on it.

In the circumstances it also seems a little odd that there is no mention of any senior staff suspensions (without prejudice) during these formal inquiries, perhaps as others have said we must await more facts.
Await more facts? I wouldn't hold my breath. I hope not, but I think the school may prefer to try to keep this quiet.

It's easy, with 20-20 hindsight, to say how things should be run, what checks and balances should be in place, who should (or should not) be responsible for handling budgets at various levels etc.

A junior clerk should not have access to such a large account. Someone so naive should not be promoted to a position where they are trusted with such an account. They shouldn't even be aware of the account numbers and sort codes, let alone passwords and PINs, for anything other than the stationery account (or whatever) they are allowed to handle.

I would expect any bank to want confirmation from a very senior member of staff for any single payment of that much. For that reason I would think this money was withdrawn in many small increments. If it was just 1 transfer, or even a few large increments, the bank should have been raising alarm bells. If it was many small increments why wasn't it noticed, by the school staff, before a significant amount had gone? Handling a large account of that size requires a jobsworth who will do everything they can to ensure that it is secure, and frequently checked and balanced even if no payments are thought to have been made out of it.

No matter how I look at it - admittedly, with the little that's been reported - the worse it smells.

Certainly, the school needs to look at its administrative staff and those responsible for handling its finances. I expect the board of governors (if there is one) will have some very difficult questions to ask, if they haven't already asked them.
[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote: As an establishment this 'School' by one name or another has been soaking up taxpayers money for years and miserably failing to produce properly educated children. At least with this £million loss they have left out the middle-man (the kids) and are now just blowing our money straight out the door. And how ever some folk are trying to dress this up for their own political beliefs, this IS a stupendous failure (or worse) caused by inept publicly paid employees. St Aldhelms as an Academy is not a private sector profit or loss organisation - doubtless also meaning that those responsible will typically never be held to account for their own grotesque stupidity. Lots of question remain, not least why if this happened last summer and some people were evidently aware of it (including the MP), have the public only just learnt about it - did someone blow a whistle?[/p][/quote]It wouldn't surprise me if it was kept quiet while it was investigated. Alternatively, if it was an idle account nobody was checking it's not impossible that the account was cleared out during the summer. If Whitehall asked for the balance back in instalments (possibly during the 2014-2015 financial year) it might not be discovered until early 2014.[/p][/quote]I cannot agree that it would have been appropriate or competent for any Bank Account with over £1million of public money in it to be left unmonitored by school officials. Especially so that (as you say) it could be "cleared out during the summer", because if any of us had the good fortune to have £1Million in a Bank Account I suspect we would be keeping a very close eye on it. In the circumstances it also seems a little odd that there is no mention of any senior staff suspensions (without prejudice) during these formal inquiries, perhaps as others have said we must await more facts.[/p][/quote]Await more facts? I wouldn't hold my breath. I hope not, but I think the school may prefer to try to keep this quiet. It's easy, with 20-20 hindsight, to say how things should be run, what checks and balances should be in place, who should (or should not) be responsible for handling budgets at various levels etc. A junior clerk should not have access to such a large account. Someone so naive should not be promoted to a position where they are trusted with such an account. They shouldn't even be aware of the account numbers and sort codes, let alone passwords and PINs, for anything other than the stationery account (or whatever) they are allowed to handle. I would expect any bank to want confirmation from a very senior member of staff for any single payment of that much. For that reason I would think this money was withdrawn in many small increments. If it was just 1 transfer, or even a few large increments, the bank should have been raising alarm bells. If it was many small increments why wasn't it noticed, by the school staff, before a significant amount had gone? Handling a large account of that size requires a jobsworth who will do everything they can to ensure that it is secure, and frequently checked and balanced even if no payments are thought to have been made out of it. No matter how I look at it - admittedly, with the little that's been reported - the worse it smells. Certainly, the school needs to look at its administrative staff and those responsible for handling its finances. I expect the board of governors (if there is one) will have some very difficult questions to ask, if they haven't already asked them. JackJohnson
  • Score: 5

3:30pm Mon 7 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

Tripod wrote:
I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.
I see you only go for peanuts. I've had several very pleasant gentlemen offering me 20 million dollars. Presumably the economy of Burkina Faso is stronger than that of Nigeria?
[quote][p][bold]Tripod[/bold] wrote: I have an email from a nice Mr. Undogo from Nigeria, He has 10 Million Dollar to give away,I'll happily forward it to the school's financial directors, then they could replace the money they have just given-away.[/p][/quote]I see you only go for peanuts. I've had several very pleasant gentlemen offering me 20 million dollars. Presumably the economy of Burkina Faso is stronger than that of Nigeria? breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

3:31pm Mon 7 Apr 14

O'Reilly says...

I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.
I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam. O'Reilly
  • Score: -1

3:51pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Wageslave says...

skydriver wrote:
Who in their right mind gives bank details out from an email request or indeed over the phone , and this is the head were talking about, and she in charge of teaching our children right and wrong, well she sadly needs to return to school for some teaching . Now I ask myself if this phone call/ email was to do with her personal bank account would she have been so keen to do as she has done. Doubtful !!
This person is not fit for purpose.
They need to take regular 'Fraud Awareness' tests as people in the finance industry have to.
[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote: Who in their right mind gives bank details out from an email request or indeed over the phone , and this is the head were talking about, and she in charge of teaching our children right and wrong, well she sadly needs to return to school for some teaching . Now I ask myself if this phone call/ email was to do with her personal bank account would she have been so keen to do as she has done. Doubtful !! This person is not fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]They need to take regular 'Fraud Awareness' tests as people in the finance industry have to. Wageslave
  • Score: 2

3:55pm Mon 7 Apr 14

John T says...

JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional. John T
  • Score: 6

4:03pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Wageslave says...

arti273 wrote:
This was a monument c**k up, but I doubt that this was a case of someone clicking on a link in a "Dear Customer" email saying their "Internet Banking Access had been declined".

These gangs invest time and money (you can see why), doing a lot of research into names of staff (easy to find), bank and bank details (could be online for receiving payments) to personalise emails.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them for one minute it was still stupid to had over security codes. Maybe they would have thought twice if it was their own money in the account.
Did this money go out in one lump sum ? Does no=one check their bank statements, let alone reconcile them each day/ month.
[quote][p][bold]arti273[/bold] wrote: This was a monument c**k up, but I doubt that this was a case of someone clicking on a link in a "Dear Customer" email saying their "Internet Banking Access had been declined". These gangs invest time and money (you can see why), doing a lot of research into names of staff (easy to find), bank and bank details (could be online for receiving payments) to personalise emails. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending them for one minute it was still stupid to had over security codes. Maybe they would have thought twice if it was their own money in the account.[/p][/quote]Did this money go out in one lump sum ? Does no=one check their bank statements, let alone reconcile them each day/ month. Wageslave
  • Score: 4

4:14pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Pawnstrar says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.
This area of Poole is not rubbish. the catchment area for this school is very big compared to some.There are a lot of hard working normal folk who live there. Yes the school isn't up to much, but don't run all of Branksome down
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.[/p][/quote]This area of Poole is not rubbish. the catchment area for this school is very big compared to some.There are a lot of hard working normal folk who live there. Yes the school isn't up to much, but don't run all of Branksome down Pawnstrar
  • Score: 6

4:19pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

John T wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.
I thought that was where future MPs were trained.
[quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.[/p][/quote]I thought that was where future MPs were trained. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

4:33pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Molecatcher says...

Pawnstrar wrote:
speedy231278 wrote:
Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.
This area of Poole is not rubbish. the catchment area for this school is very big compared to some.There are a lot of hard working normal folk who live there. Yes the school isn't up to much, but don't run all of Branksome down
The area may not be rubbish, but the gene pool leaves a lot to be desired.
[quote][p][bold]Pawnstrar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.[/p][/quote]This area of Poole is not rubbish. the catchment area for this school is very big compared to some.There are a lot of hard working normal folk who live there. Yes the school isn't up to much, but don't run all of Branksome down[/p][/quote]The area may not be rubbish, but the gene pool leaves a lot to be desired. Molecatcher
  • Score: -3

4:36pm Mon 7 Apr 14

drJones says...

looks like lessons were not learnt, get it ?!
looks like lessons were not learnt, get it ?! drJones
  • Score: 3

4:48pm Mon 7 Apr 14

boyerboy says...

Tony Trent wrote:
sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
A few more votes you have lost now?
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.[/p][/quote]A few more votes you have lost now? boyerboy
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Mon 7 Apr 14

themummy says...

These people are in charge of teaching your children!! worried.com
These people are in charge of teaching your children!! worried.com themummy
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Mindvor says...

O'Reilly wrote:
I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.
Hmmm, if your first and last line of defence is software then you're just as culpable. Name me a spam filter that a guarantees 100% stop rate? Common sense isn't replaced by 1s and 0s.
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, if your first and last line of defence is software then you're just as culpable. Name me a spam filter that a guarantees 100% stop rate? Common sense isn't replaced by 1s and 0s. Mindvor
  • Score: 4

5:23pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes
I initiated regular meetings with the school, which some other local Councillors attend, and raise issues of concern with the school when they are raised with me by constituents, and chase facts. This particular issue in the paper was not shared, though it does explain a few things. What I DON'T do is sit on the sidelines and snipe. I think it's important to support the local school and engage with them, sometimes as a critical friend, as I believe it's important to have a school in the area rather than see children bussed (or driven) half way accross Poole to another school. The under-acheiving children would still be underachieving, but somewhere else, and the road miles would just keep mounting up. As for the last line, whilst I refuse to become complacent as some do, the past results at elections do indicate I must be doing something right - though I certainly don't stop learning. What I won't stop doing (perhaps I should and become faceless) is to correct some of the nonsense I read on these forums.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.[/p][/quote]You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes[/p][/quote]I initiated regular meetings with the school, which some other local Councillors attend, and raise issues of concern with the school when they are raised with me by constituents, and chase facts. This particular issue in the paper was not shared, though it does explain a few things. What I DON'T do is sit on the sidelines and snipe. I think it's important to support the local school and engage with them, sometimes as a critical friend, as I believe it's important to have a school in the area rather than see children bussed (or driven) half way accross Poole to another school. The under-acheiving children would still be underachieving, but somewhere else, and the road miles would just keep mounting up. As for the last line, whilst I refuse to become complacent as some do, the past results at elections do indicate I must be doing something right - though I certainly don't stop learning. What I won't stop doing (perhaps I should and become faceless) is to correct some of the nonsense I read on these forums. Tony Trent
  • Score: -1

5:24pm Mon 7 Apr 14

John T says...

JackJohnson wrote:
John T wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.
I thought that was where future MPs were trained.
I think you will find that most of those people are now applying for the Maria Miller Finishing School for Miscreants, now that the School for Scoundrels has been discredited!
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.[/p][/quote]I thought that was where future MPs were trained.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that most of those people are now applying for the Maria Miller Finishing School for Miscreants, now that the School for Scoundrels has been discredited! John T
  • Score: 6

5:40pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

boyerboy wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
A few more votes you have lost now?
Oh, I suspect the individual who 'fell' for it was long gone before it was discovered.
[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.[/p][/quote]A few more votes you have lost now?[/p][/quote]Oh, I suspect the individual who 'fell' for it was long gone before it was discovered. JackJohnson
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Mon 7 Apr 14

CriticalFriend1 says...

What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.
What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable. CriticalFriend1
  • Score: 0

5:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

CriticalFriend1 wrote:
What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.
That's probably why they seem to have ended up about £1M under budget.
[quote][p][bold]CriticalFriend1[/bold] wrote: What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.[/p][/quote]That's probably why they seem to have ended up about £1M under budget. JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Greatstuff says...

BmthNewshound wrote:
This is nothing short of gross incompetence on the part of school staff. Only a complete idiot would respond to an email requesting sensitive information about a bank account without first telephoning the bank for confirmation. All banks constantly make customers aware that they will never request information relating to PIN numbers and passwords by email.
.
If this fraud happened last summer why has it taken so long for this to be made public ?. This is taxpayers money and the real victims in this fraud are hardworking taxpayers. What the article doesn't state is whether the person responsible for this act of gross incompetence has been disciplined.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]BmthNewshound[/bold] wrote: This is nothing short of gross incompetence on the part of school staff. Only a complete idiot would respond to an email requesting sensitive information about a bank account without first telephoning the bank for confirmation. All banks constantly make customers aware that they will never request information relating to PIN numbers and passwords by email. . If this fraud happened last summer why has it taken so long for this to be made public ?. This is taxpayers money and the real victims in this fraud are hardworking taxpayers. What the article doesn't state is whether the person responsible for this act of gross incompetence has been disciplined.[/p][/quote]Well said. Greatstuff
  • Score: 1

6:18pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

If the administration cannot produce even fair exam results, and the administration can be conned in the most simple ways by online fraudsters, then why is the administration still in positions of authority?

It GAVE the info. It was not 'stolen'. Who is covering the 1.1 million loss? The Diocese of Salisbury? Gove?
If the administration cannot produce even fair exam results, and the administration can be conned in the most simple ways by online fraudsters, then why is the administration still in positions of authority? It GAVE the info. It was not 'stolen'. Who is covering the 1.1 million loss? The Diocese of Salisbury? Gove? Yankee1
  • Score: 1

6:20pm Mon 7 Apr 14

carrrob says...

Unbelievable incompetence of the highest order there has been enough publicity about these scam emails over the years !
Unbelievable incompetence of the highest order there has been enough publicity about these scam emails over the years ! carrrob
  • Score: 3

6:22pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
St INcredulous.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]St INcredulous. Yankee1
  • Score: 0

6:25pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Yankee1 wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
St INcredulous.
Nope St Credulous is entirely appropriate. He's the patron saint of the gullible.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]St INcredulous.[/p][/quote]Nope St Credulous is entirely appropriate. He's the patron saint of the gullible. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
St INcredulous.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]St INcredulous. Yankee1
  • Score: 1

6:32pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Yankee1 says...

I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes.

Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington.

Any Poole defenders here?
I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes. Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington. Any Poole defenders here? Yankee1
  • Score: 1

6:40pm Mon 7 Apr 14

M0Z says...

I’ve seen a few co-workers in finance roles go to prison for fraud. This smells a lot like an inside job – I think most of you are being far too generous with the incompetence / gullibility arguments.

I say this because of the basics of how business bank accounts work. Each authorised member of the finance team will have a unique user ID and their own password. They will also have a challenge-response system of some kind – usually a hardware device that generates a unique code for each transaction (to thwart malware and keyloggers). So, that’s three things - one of which can’t be used a second time. Certain transactions will require one person to set them up, plus a second person to release them – this is typical for payment batches or setting up new payees. It’s also common to set high value payment thresholds so that additional approval is required.

Every business person and every finance person knows this. Whilst it is possible to set a payments workflow that switches these controls off, unless it’s your own business the only plausible reason for doing so is to exploit the system later. This has all the hallmarks of an inside job, possibly involving multiple staff. I think it very unlikely that an email scam could explain a £1.1m bank theft. The official explanation that this was a “sophisticated serious fraud by a third party” is just laughable.
I’ve seen a few co-workers in finance roles go to prison for fraud. This smells a lot like an inside job – I think most of you are being far too generous with the incompetence / gullibility arguments. I say this because of the basics of how business bank accounts work. Each authorised member of the finance team will have a unique user ID and their own password. They will also have a challenge-response system of some kind – usually a hardware device that generates a unique code for each transaction (to thwart malware and keyloggers). So, that’s three things - one of which can’t be used a second time. Certain transactions will require one person to set them up, plus a second person to release them – this is typical for payment batches or setting up new payees. It’s also common to set high value payment thresholds so that additional approval is required. Every business person and every finance person knows this. Whilst it is possible to set a payments workflow that switches these controls off, unless it’s your own business the only plausible reason for doing so is to exploit the system later. This has all the hallmarks of an inside job, possibly involving multiple staff. I think it very unlikely that an email scam could explain a £1.1m bank theft. The official explanation that this was a “sophisticated serious fraud by a third party” is just laughable. M0Z
  • Score: 7

6:42pm Mon 7 Apr 14

justsayithowitis says...

Tony Trent wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes
I initiated regular meetings with the school, which some other local Councillors attend, and raise issues of concern with the school when they are raised with me by constituents, and chase facts. This particular issue in the paper was not shared, though it does explain a few things. What I DON'T do is sit on the sidelines and snipe. I think it's important to support the local school and engage with them, sometimes as a critical friend, as I believe it's important to have a school in the area rather than see children bussed (or driven) half way accross Poole to another school. The under-acheiving children would still be underachieving, but somewhere else, and the road miles would just keep mounting up. As for the last line, whilst I refuse to become complacent as some do, the past results at elections do indicate I must be doing something right - though I certainly don't stop learning. What I won't stop doing (perhaps I should and become faceless) is to correct some of the nonsense I read on these forums.
It would be important to support the local school if the local school was worth supporting. How many years has this school been failing. How many name changes. How much money. It would be better to close it and bus the children to other schools where they might stand a better chance of getting an education as there wouldn't be as many children with parents who don't care about such things as education and discipline in one place. Not all the parents are like that but a very high percentage unfortunately are. There are far to many children who are only here for the money they bring in. Hopefully that will change with the benefit cuts but it will take many years to sort out these problems
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.[/p][/quote]You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes[/p][/quote]I initiated regular meetings with the school, which some other local Councillors attend, and raise issues of concern with the school when they are raised with me by constituents, and chase facts. This particular issue in the paper was not shared, though it does explain a few things. What I DON'T do is sit on the sidelines and snipe. I think it's important to support the local school and engage with them, sometimes as a critical friend, as I believe it's important to have a school in the area rather than see children bussed (or driven) half way accross Poole to another school. The under-acheiving children would still be underachieving, but somewhere else, and the road miles would just keep mounting up. As for the last line, whilst I refuse to become complacent as some do, the past results at elections do indicate I must be doing something right - though I certainly don't stop learning. What I won't stop doing (perhaps I should and become faceless) is to correct some of the nonsense I read on these forums.[/p][/quote]It would be important to support the local school if the local school was worth supporting. How many years has this school been failing. How many name changes. How much money. It would be better to close it and bus the children to other schools where they might stand a better chance of getting an education as there wouldn't be as many children with parents who don't care about such things as education and discipline in one place. Not all the parents are like that but a very high percentage unfortunately are. There are far to many children who are only here for the money they bring in. Hopefully that will change with the benefit cuts but it will take many years to sort out these problems justsayithowitis
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Reds14 says...

Bus them to where exactly?? I think you will find that the other schools in Poole aside from St Eds are much the same.... Some even have lower ofsted reports than St Aldhelms and have also had to undergo name changes.... Food for thought!!
Bus them to where exactly?? I think you will find that the other schools in Poole aside from St Eds are much the same.... Some even have lower ofsted reports than St Aldhelms and have also had to undergo name changes.... Food for thought!! Reds14
  • Score: 4

7:11pm Mon 7 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Yankee1 wrote:
I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes.

Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington.

Any Poole defenders here?
Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes. Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington. Any Poole defenders here?[/p][/quote]Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all. JackJohnson
  • Score: -2

7:59pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Avengerboy says...

If 'Sophisticated' is used as an excuse buzz word for the perpetrators then moron would be for those pressing 'send'.
If 'Sophisticated' is used as an excuse buzz word for the perpetrators then moron would be for those pressing 'send'. Avengerboy
  • Score: 2

8:53pm Mon 7 Apr 14

fireflier says...

Yankee1 wrote:
I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes.

Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington.

Any Poole defenders here?
Does this area of Poole definitely breed the Yea.. .but....No...but...t
hicko and proud of it sub humans.
[quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes. Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington. Any Poole defenders here?[/p][/quote]Does this area of Poole definitely breed the Yea.. .but....No...but...t hicko and proud of it sub humans. fireflier
  • Score: 1

9:09pm Mon 7 Apr 14

O'Reilly says...

Mindvor wrote:
O'Reilly wrote:
I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.
Hmmm, if your first and last line of defence is software then you're just as culpable. Name me a spam filter that a guarantees 100% stop rate? Common sense isn't replaced by 1s and 0s.
If it entered my e-mail inbox then I would certainly give it short shift......it is what I was brought up to know as 'using your loaf'.
[quote][p][bold]Mindvor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.[/p][/quote]Hmmm, if your first and last line of defence is software then you're just as culpable. Name me a spam filter that a guarantees 100% stop rate? Common sense isn't replaced by 1s and 0s.[/p][/quote]If it entered my e-mail inbox then I would certainly give it short shift......it is what I was brought up to know as 'using your loaf'. O'Reilly
  • Score: 1

10:43pm Mon 7 Apr 14

freddieeddy says...

twynham wrote:
If the teaching staff are as thick as school finance chiefs it's no wonder they posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012.

"Sophisticated fraud" my rse, it's the oldest trick in the internet book.
How can you blame the teachers, what do they have to do with the finance of the school? I would say it is you that is thick. All staff at that school work extremely hard under immense pressure to help those kids.
Its about time the powers that be realise that this school will never reach the high league tables no matter how good the teaching is. They should let them get on with the vocational courses which benefit them.
[quote][p][bold]twynham[/bold] wrote: If the teaching staff are as thick as school finance chiefs it's no wonder they posted the worst GCSE results in the country in 2012. "Sophisticated fraud" my rse, it's the oldest trick in the internet book.[/p][/quote]How can you blame the teachers, what do they have to do with the finance of the school? I would say it is you that is thick. All staff at that school work extremely hard under immense pressure to help those kids. Its about time the powers that be realise that this school will never reach the high league tables no matter how good the teaching is. They should let them get on with the vocational courses which benefit them. freddieeddy
  • Score: 5

11:09pm Mon 7 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
John T wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
boyerboy wrote:
What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems.

Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment.

Hello ?
I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'
I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.
I thought that was where future MPs were trained.
That's St Eton's Academy you silly.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote: What this school needs is a fresh identity- to remove the stigma of past mistakes and pupil problems. Now , I can offer them a solution for a consultancy fee of around £1,000,000. Firstly we will come up with a new uniform, new school name( Kemp Welch sounds nice ) and then collect a second £1,000,000 instalment. Hello ?[/p][/quote]I recommend changing the name to St. Credulous'[/p][/quote]I think changing the name to St. Allinittogether Academy sounds so much more credible and professional.[/p][/quote]I thought that was where future MPs were trained.[/p][/quote]That's St Eton's Academy you silly. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

11:12pm Mon 7 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

O'Reilly wrote:
I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.
Erm, an email client will have a spam/junk filter, not the computer itself.
[quote][p][bold]O'Reilly[/bold] wrote: I would have thought the computer's SPAM facility would have picked up on this scam.[/p][/quote]Erm, an email client will have a spam/junk filter, not the computer itself. breamoreboy
  • Score: 2

2:05am Tue 8 Apr 14

HRH of Boscombe says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
You get an email allegedly from your bank asking for details for your bank account. You give them the details. Really. Who would do that. Staff need sacking at the very least
This is just phishing!
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Disgusting but very foolish on the schools part.
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: You get an email allegedly from your bank asking for details for your bank account. You give them the details. Really. Who would do that. Staff need sacking at the very least[/p][/quote]This is just phishing! . Disgusting but very foolish on the schools part. HRH of Boscombe
  • Score: 0

7:10am Tue 8 Apr 14

Baysider says...

I see the Echo villagers are still going with the flaming torches and hunting down the individual approach then.

I did provide a link to some facts about how prevalent this type of thing is but readers would prefer to ignore the possibility it was a well thought through and professional crime and focus their criticism on the victim (who has probably lost their job). Apparently there are more details available too as it's now a fact it was a junior clerk responding to a simple phishing email replied to as well as clearly being some that would never happen in the private sector.

Posters on here never fail to disappoint.
I see the Echo villagers are still going with the flaming torches and hunting down the individual approach then. I did provide a link to some facts about how prevalent this type of thing is but readers would prefer to ignore the possibility it was a well thought through and professional crime and focus their criticism on the victim (who has probably lost their job). Apparently there are more details available too as it's now a fact it was a junior clerk responding to a simple phishing email replied to as well as clearly being some that would never happen in the private sector. Posters on here never fail to disappoint. Baysider
  • Score: 1

9:26am Tue 8 Apr 14

Deltiologist says...

Teddy 1 wrote:
vicarinatutu wrote:
Here's how it works:
The Principal - in this case one whose qualification is a teacher of P.E., and a group of lay governors - members of the church, the university, concerned parents- appoint a finance director. None of the appointees has experience or knowledge in the apparent area of expertise of the appointed.
The finance director apparently makes an error which results in a million pounds being lost. The finance director loses his/her job presumably and the principal and governors proclaim themselves innocent victims of a fraud. The tax payers pick up the tab.
It is a system which lacks the design to prevent problems such as these. The academy system is to blame here.
This academy thing is such a worry. As you say the schools are 'run' by teachers with often no idea of business. Soon all poole schools will be academies paying teachers (good and bad) higher salaries as the market rate will increase. Who will lose out...oh yes, tge children with less money in the pot for their education. Whereas I dont really rate the council ed dept...they are better the devil we know than those on governing bodies who are often old and out of touch or too pally with the head to be objective and maintain a professional objectiveness..or just looking for cv points !!
Yes, Teddy1, you are correct in saying "This academy thing is such a worry." but incorrect in saying that the schools are run by teachers. This academy is sponsored/run by Bournemouth University and the Church of England. The school's teachers are almost completely removed from its decision making body, the governors. But you are most incorrect in saying that the academies will be "paying teachers (good and bad) higher salaries". The whole academy programme is designed to make profit for shareholders out of the huge education budget - and the best way to make profit is to reduce overheads, i.e. salaries. Why were teachers striking last month? The main reason is that Michael Gove's deregulation of teachers' pay and conditions is part of a school-eat-school competitive marketplace in education - one in which I'm sure he would ultimately like to see schools run for profit. This would be a disaster for any vision of a decent education system in which all teachers work together for the benefit of young people. His changes mean the real value of teachers pay has been cut by 16 percent in the last four years, and will continue to fall if he has his way. This is why he sees no problem with allowing unqualified staff to teach our children - unqualified staff are not paid at the same rate as qualified staff. His government has seen teachers working hours soar, and he wants to force them to work until 68. You can't have a high quality education system with committed teachers on this basis. That's why 4 in 10 teachers quit in the first five years after qualifying and that's what is the hidden cost of the academies programme.

The St. Aldhelm's fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to the fraud being committed by the current government's academy programme in which they are 'scamming' the taxpayers by promising a better system which is not better, it's merely a means whereby the Tory wealthy can line their pockets from the profit paid for by our taxes. Our children should be the ones to profit from our education system in which they are taught by well motivated teachers who seek to improve their pupils' life chances, not the profit of the academy's sponsors. This fraud is one of a multitude of examples why the academy programme is wrong. It basically is a theft on a grand scale - OUR education service being privatised (like the Post Office) for the benefit of the wealthy. Don't be fooled into thinking it's better, please.

Yes, Teddy1 you are so correct when you say the children will lose out with less money in the pot for their education. In the weeks to come we will see more examples of why this privatised education service is very bad for our children and our country.
[quote][p][bold]Teddy 1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vicarinatutu[/bold] wrote: Here's how it works: The Principal - in this case one whose qualification is a teacher of P.E., and a group of lay governors - members of the church, the university, concerned parents- appoint a finance director. None of the appointees has experience or knowledge in the apparent area of expertise of the appointed. The finance director apparently makes an error which results in a million pounds being lost. The finance director loses his/her job presumably and the principal and governors proclaim themselves innocent victims of a fraud. The tax payers pick up the tab. It is a system which lacks the design to prevent problems such as these. The academy system is to blame here.[/p][/quote]This academy thing is such a worry. As you say the schools are 'run' by teachers with often no idea of business. Soon all poole schools will be academies paying teachers (good and bad) higher salaries as the market rate will increase. Who will lose out...oh yes, tge children with less money in the pot for their education. Whereas I dont really rate the council ed dept...they are better the devil we know than those on governing bodies who are often old and out of touch or too pally with the head to be objective and maintain a professional objectiveness..or just looking for cv points !![/p][/quote]Yes, Teddy1, you are correct in saying "This academy thing is such a worry." but incorrect in saying that the schools are run by teachers. This academy is sponsored/run by Bournemouth University and the Church of England. The school's teachers are almost completely removed from its decision making body, the governors. But you are most incorrect in saying that the academies will be "paying teachers (good and bad) higher salaries". The whole academy programme is designed to make profit for shareholders out of the huge education budget - and the best way to make profit is to reduce overheads, i.e. salaries. Why were teachers striking last month? The main reason is that Michael Gove's deregulation of teachers' pay and conditions is part of a school-eat-school competitive marketplace in education - one in which I'm sure he would ultimately like to see schools run for profit. This would be a disaster for any vision of a decent education system in which all teachers work together for the benefit of young people. His changes mean the real value of teachers pay has been cut by 16 percent in the last four years, and will continue to fall if he has his way. This is why he sees no problem with allowing unqualified staff to teach our children - unqualified staff are not paid at the same rate as qualified staff. His government has seen teachers working hours soar, and he wants to force them to work until 68. You can't have a high quality education system with committed teachers on this basis. That's why 4 in 10 teachers quit in the first five years after qualifying and that's what is the hidden cost of the academies programme. The St. Aldhelm's fraud is a drop in the ocean compared to the fraud being committed by the current government's academy programme in which they are 'scamming' the taxpayers by promising a better system which is not better, it's merely a means whereby the Tory wealthy can line their pockets from the profit paid for by our taxes. Our children should be the ones to profit from our education system in which they are taught by well motivated teachers who seek to improve their pupils' life chances, not the profit of the academy's sponsors. This fraud is one of a multitude of examples why the academy programme is wrong. It basically is a theft on a grand scale - OUR education service being privatised (like the Post Office) for the benefit of the wealthy. Don't be fooled into thinking it's better, please. Yes, Teddy1 you are so correct when you say the children will lose out with less money in the pot for their education. In the weeks to come we will see more examples of why this privatised education service is very bad for our children and our country. Deltiologist
  • Score: 3

10:45am Tue 8 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

You are half right Deltiologist about the "privatisation" of schools but for one fact. St. Aldhelms Academy was a Labour era "privatisation". The new building was conditional upon the school becoming an Academy. Unfortunately both this and at least the last two Governments, including the 13 year Labour Government, are so obsessed with the public sector balance sheet that they offload things to the private sector. Apparrently this has more to do with our UK civil service than anything. Many European countries operate their civil service differently and have huge state owned multinationals - especially France. That and the belief that somehow things will work better if there are shareholders involved means that companies that are temporarily nationalised like the East Coast Main Line, that is doing quite well as it is, is heading back to the private sector. Just to be pedantic, the Academy is run by Bournemouth University and the Diosese of Salisbury - so not quite in the hands of shareholders. As to what the future holds, who knows, but there is no return to Local Education Authority owned schools on the cards from anyone - but it is the local and national taxpayer that still has to stump up for new build.
You are half right Deltiologist about the "privatisation" of schools but for one fact. St. Aldhelms Academy was a Labour era "privatisation". The new building was conditional upon the school becoming an Academy. Unfortunately both this and at least the last two Governments, including the 13 year Labour Government, are so obsessed with the public sector balance sheet that they offload things to the private sector. Apparrently this has more to do with our UK civil service than anything. Many European countries operate their civil service differently and have huge state owned multinationals - especially France. That and the belief that somehow things will work better if there are shareholders involved means that companies that are temporarily nationalised like the East Coast Main Line, that is doing quite well as it is, is heading back to the private sector. Just to be pedantic, the Academy is run by Bournemouth University and the Diosese of Salisbury - so not quite in the hands of shareholders. As to what the future holds, who knows, but there is no return to Local Education Authority owned schools on the cards from anyone - but it is the local and national taxpayer that still has to stump up for new build. Tony Trent
  • Score: 0

10:53am Tue 8 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

Baysider wrote:
I see the Echo villagers are still going with the flaming torches and hunting down the individual approach then.

I did provide a link to some facts about how prevalent this type of thing is but readers would prefer to ignore the possibility it was a well thought through and professional crime and focus their criticism on the victim (who has probably lost their job). Apparently there are more details available too as it's now a fact it was a junior clerk responding to a simple phishing email replied to as well as clearly being some that would never happen in the private sector.

Posters on here never fail to disappoint.
The thing is that the trolls on this forum are perfect individuals that never make mistakes, always make the right calls, and of course weigh up all the evidence carefully before posting. The fact that they don't make decisions or judgements at such a high level means no-one will find out how perfect they are :-)
[quote][p][bold]Baysider[/bold] wrote: I see the Echo villagers are still going with the flaming torches and hunting down the individual approach then. I did provide a link to some facts about how prevalent this type of thing is but readers would prefer to ignore the possibility it was a well thought through and professional crime and focus their criticism on the victim (who has probably lost their job). Apparently there are more details available too as it's now a fact it was a junior clerk responding to a simple phishing email replied to as well as clearly being some that would never happen in the private sector. Posters on here never fail to disappoint.[/p][/quote]The thing is that the trolls on this forum are perfect individuals that never make mistakes, always make the right calls, and of course weigh up all the evidence carefully before posting. The fact that they don't make decisions or judgements at such a high level means no-one will find out how perfect they are :-) Tony Trent
  • Score: 1

10:57am Tue 8 Apr 14

Tony Trent says...

CriticalFriend1 wrote:
What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.
Get your facts straight. A visit to the school to see how it all works would be a good starting point.
[quote][p][bold]CriticalFriend1[/bold] wrote: What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.[/p][/quote]Get your facts straight. A visit to the school to see how it all works would be a good starting point. Tony Trent
  • Score: 5

11:31am Tue 8 Apr 14

poolemaninscotland says...

I cannot believe some of the troll posts on this subject. I live in this catchment area and I am a very successful businessman. My 13yr old Daughter also go's to St Aldhelm's and she has come on so well with this school that she is sitting 2 GCSE exams in November of this year which is 2 and a half years early. All the muppets who have trolled this post are interested in is slagging the school off. For everyones information the 2012 results where the results from before it became an academy. That is because it was a failing school under local authority. St Aldhelm's has become an excellent school for my daughter and unless you trolls have seen the school and seen how well the children are educated then you have know right to post the drivel that you have.
I cannot believe some of the troll posts on this subject. I live in this catchment area and I am a very successful businessman. My 13yr old Daughter also go's to St Aldhelm's and she has come on so well with this school that she is sitting 2 GCSE exams in November of this year which is 2 and a half years early. All the muppets who have trolled this post are interested in is slagging the school off. For everyones information the 2012 results where the results from before it became an academy. That is because it was a failing school under local authority. St Aldhelm's has become an excellent school for my daughter and unless you trolls have seen the school and seen how well the children are educated then you have know right to post the drivel that you have. poolemaninscotland
  • Score: 3

12:01pm Tue 8 Apr 14

MrEdge says...

trolley wrote:
And these are meant to be intelligent people.unbelievable stupidity doesn't cover it.
Who said they are meant to be intelligent people? They do work for a school you know!
[quote][p][bold]trolley[/bold] wrote: And these are meant to be intelligent people.unbelievable stupidity doesn't cover it.[/p][/quote]Who said they are meant to be intelligent people? They do work for a school you know! MrEdge
  • Score: -3

12:25pm Tue 8 Apr 14

wac967 says...

roguetrader666 wrote:
And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.
wtf are u on about twit its no longer in the public sector moron after many years of council abuse so shut up and get ure facts right duh
[quote][p][bold]roguetrader666[/bold] wrote: And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.[/p][/quote]wtf are u on about twit its no longer in the public sector moron after many years of council abuse so shut up and get ure facts right duh wac967
  • Score: -1

12:28pm Tue 8 Apr 14

wac967 says...

roguetrader666 wrote:
And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.
wtf are u on about u twit the school is no longer in the public sector u moron get ure facts right bet u dont even live in the area so what would u know of how that school has been abused for years by the local rubbish council mr bloody wonderful
[quote][p][bold]roguetrader666[/bold] wrote: And here lies the difference between public sector and private sector workers. Clueless to how things work in the big, bad world.[/p][/quote]wtf are u on about u twit the school is no longer in the public sector u moron get ure facts right bet u dont even live in the area so what would u know of how that school has been abused for years by the local rubbish council mr bloody wonderful wac967
  • Score: 1

12:34pm Tue 8 Apr 14

wac967 says...

speedy231278 wrote:
Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.
you are a complete imbecile i suppose the area in which u reside is so bloody wonderful due to the council throwing our money ure way for improvements why not come see me face to face to discuss my area m8 im sure u will soon change u sad little hitler attitude people like you with stupid comments like this are exactly whats wrong with this country
[quote][p][bold]speedy231278[/bold] wrote: Rubbish school, rubbish area, and clearly rubbish staff! Whoever gave away these details should be sacked.[/p][/quote]you are a complete imbecile i suppose the area in which u reside is so bloody wonderful due to the council throwing our money ure way for improvements why not come see me face to face to discuss my area m8 im sure u will soon change u sad little hitler attitude people like you with stupid comments like this are exactly whats wrong with this country wac967
  • Score: 2

12:43pm Tue 8 Apr 14

wac967 says...

Tony Trent wrote:
You are half right Deltiologist about the "privatisation" of schools but for one fact. St. Aldhelms Academy was a Labour era "privatisation". The new building was conditional upon the school becoming an Academy. Unfortunately both this and at least the last two Governments, including the 13 year Labour Government, are so obsessed with the public sector balance sheet that they offload things to the private sector. Apparrently this has more to do with our UK civil service than anything. Many European countries operate their civil service differently and have huge state owned multinationals - especially France. That and the belief that somehow things will work better if there are shareholders involved means that companies that are temporarily nationalised like the East Coast Main Line, that is doing quite well as it is, is heading back to the private sector. Just to be pedantic, the Academy is run by Bournemouth University and the Diosese of Salisbury - so not quite in the hands of shareholders. As to what the future holds, who knows, but there is no return to Local Education Authority owned schools on the cards from anyone - but it is the local and national taxpayer that still has to stump up for new build.
sorry tony but tory and lib dem councils have let parkstone rot for years i went to that school in the 80`s when it was a tory government and i can safely say it was the worst experience of my educational life ,run down neglected and left to die as this area has been for years you and your rose tinted glasses just refuse to see further than the window from the civic centre yes is know you are a councillor so don`t try bringing politics into a simple case of fraud very sad move as if it wasn`t for labour our schools would still be 50 years out of date that schools rebuild was down to labour, not this current waste of space government who stopped the refurb of schools as soon as it got in ..end of
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: You are half right Deltiologist about the "privatisation" of schools but for one fact. St. Aldhelms Academy was a Labour era "privatisation". The new building was conditional upon the school becoming an Academy. Unfortunately both this and at least the last two Governments, including the 13 year Labour Government, are so obsessed with the public sector balance sheet that they offload things to the private sector. Apparrently this has more to do with our UK civil service than anything. Many European countries operate their civil service differently and have huge state owned multinationals - especially France. That and the belief that somehow things will work better if there are shareholders involved means that companies that are temporarily nationalised like the East Coast Main Line, that is doing quite well as it is, is heading back to the private sector. Just to be pedantic, the Academy is run by Bournemouth University and the Diosese of Salisbury - so not quite in the hands of shareholders. As to what the future holds, who knows, but there is no return to Local Education Authority owned schools on the cards from anyone - but it is the local and national taxpayer that still has to stump up for new build.[/p][/quote]sorry tony but tory and lib dem councils have let parkstone rot for years i went to that school in the 80`s when it was a tory government and i can safely say it was the worst experience of my educational life ,run down neglected and left to die as this area has been for years you and your rose tinted glasses just refuse to see further than the window from the civic centre yes is know you are a councillor so don`t try bringing politics into a simple case of fraud very sad move as if it wasn`t for labour our schools would still be 50 years out of date that schools rebuild was down to labour, not this current waste of space government who stopped the refurb of schools as soon as it got in ..end of wac967
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12:50pm Tue 8 Apr 14

wac967 says...

justsayithowitis wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
justsayithowitis wrote:
Tony Trent wrote:
sea poole wrote:
Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?
Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.
You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes
I initiated regular meetings with the school, which some other local Councillors attend, and raise issues of concern with the school when they are raised with me by constituents, and chase facts. This particular issue in the paper was not shared, though it does explain a few things. What I DON'T do is sit on the sidelines and snipe. I think it's important to support the local school and engage with them, sometimes as a critical friend, as I believe it's important to have a school in the area rather than see children bussed (or driven) half way accross Poole to another school. The under-acheiving children would still be underachieving, but somewhere else, and the road miles would just keep mounting up. As for the last line, whilst I refuse to become complacent as some do, the past results at elections do indicate I must be doing something right - though I certainly don't stop learning. What I won't stop doing (perhaps I should and become faceless) is to correct some of the nonsense I read on these forums.
It would be important to support the local school if the local school was worth supporting. How many years has this school been failing. How many name changes. How much money. It would be better to close it and bus the children to other schools where they might stand a better chance of getting an education as there wouldn't be as many children with parents who don't care about such things as education and discipline in one place. Not all the parents are like that but a very high percentage unfortunately are. There are far to many children who are only here for the money they bring in. Hopefully that will change with the benefit cuts but it will take many years to sort out these problems
absolute bile and poppycock

"It would be better to close it and bus the children to other schools where they might stand a better chance of getting an education as there wouldn't be as many children with parents who don't care about such things as education and discipline in one place. Not all the parents are like that but a very high percentage unfortunately are. There are far to many children who are only here for the money they bring in."

how can you write such tripe sad excuse for a human being
[quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justsayithowitis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sea poole[/bold] wrote: Strange, aren't we. As soon as something serious and negative hits the headlines, posters are all over spewing cynicism and bile. IF the school had posted anything positive eg huge rise in GCSE results, do we think we'd get the same responses of congratulations...?[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Most posters here have probably not bothered to check out the school on one of the community open days, and seen how it's changing. As for the fraud, I suspect the person who fell for it has since left. They have got one hell of a problem to sort as a result, but in the meantime there are young people at the school that are doing well, and there's no reason why a well supported youngster cannot acheive well there also. They also have lots of opportunities for young people who are not accedemically gifted to get good quality help - but that doesn't show up in results tables. The moral of this is less empty headed condemnation and more finding out the facts. I shall now see how many thumbs down I get compared to the quoted input. It seems that the bile wins out in our world.[/p][/quote]You always stick up for this failing school which has cost millions and millions of taxpayers money and still hasn't produced results which are anywhere near good enough. No wonder you are not thought very highly of as a councillor when you just keep spouting the same rubbish year after year. Learn from your mistakes[/p][/quote]I initiated regular meetings with the school, which some other local Councillors attend, and raise issues of concern with the school when they are raised with me by constituents, and chase facts. This particular issue in the paper was not shared, though it does explain a few things. What I DON'T do is sit on the sidelines and snipe. I think it's important to support the local school and engage with them, sometimes as a critical friend, as I believe it's important to have a school in the area rather than see children bussed (or driven) half way accross Poole to another school. The under-acheiving children would still be underachieving, but somewhere else, and the road miles would just keep mounting up. As for the last line, whilst I refuse to become complacent as some do, the past results at elections do indicate I must be doing something right - though I certainly don't stop learning. What I won't stop doing (perhaps I should and become faceless) is to correct some of the nonsense I read on these forums.[/p][/quote]It would be important to support the local school if the local school was worth supporting. How many years has this school been failing. How many name changes. How much money. It would be better to close it and bus the children to other schools where they might stand a better chance of getting an education as there wouldn't be as many children with parents who don't care about such things as education and discipline in one place. Not all the parents are like that but a very high percentage unfortunately are. There are far to many children who are only here for the money they bring in. Hopefully that will change with the benefit cuts but it will take many years to sort out these problems[/p][/quote]absolute bile and poppycock "It would be better to close it and bus the children to other schools where they might stand a better chance of getting an education as there wouldn't be as many children with parents who don't care about such things as education and discipline in one place. Not all the parents are like that but a very high percentage unfortunately are. There are far to many children who are only here for the money they bring in." how can you write such tripe sad excuse for a human being wac967
  • Score: -2

1:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

wac967 says...

poolemaninscotland wrote:
I cannot believe some of the troll posts on this subject. I live in this catchment area and I am a very successful businessman. My 13yr old Daughter also go's to St Aldhelm's and she has come on so well with this school that she is sitting 2 GCSE exams in November of this year which is 2 and a half years early. All the muppets who have trolled this post are interested in is slagging the school off. For everyones information the 2012 results where the results from before it became an academy. That is because it was a failing school under local authority. St Aldhelm's has become an excellent school for my daughter and unless you trolls have seen the school and seen how well the children are educated then you have know right to post the drivel that you have.
totally agree..... well written and correct ... my son goes there and is doing brilliant thanks to the staff and teachers and the decent parents that take pride in their kids ..people who troll are simple uneducated loads of spare time on their hands low life human beings and have no place in society
[quote][p][bold]poolemaninscotland[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe some of the troll posts on this subject. I live in this catchment area and I am a very successful businessman. My 13yr old Daughter also go's to St Aldhelm's and she has come on so well with this school that she is sitting 2 GCSE exams in November of this year which is 2 and a half years early. All the muppets who have trolled this post are interested in is slagging the school off. For everyones information the 2012 results where the results from before it became an academy. That is because it was a failing school under local authority. St Aldhelm's has become an excellent school for my daughter and unless you trolls have seen the school and seen how well the children are educated then you have know right to post the drivel that you have.[/p][/quote]totally agree..... well written and correct ... my son goes there and is doing brilliant thanks to the staff and teachers and the decent parents that take pride in their kids ..people who troll are simple uneducated loads of spare time on their hands low life human beings and have no place in society wac967
  • Score: 5

6:55pm Tue 8 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

I don't see much (if any) trolling in this discussion What I do see is that a lot of commenters don't appear to understand that the quality of teaching has very little, if anything, to do with the quality of admin. The two are entirely separate.

However you look at it, it cannot be disputed that the quality of admin leaves more than a little to be desired...
I don't see much (if any) trolling in this discussion What I do see is that a lot of commenters don't appear to understand that the quality of teaching has very little, if anything, to do with the quality of admin. The two are entirely separate. However you look at it, it cannot be disputed that the quality of admin leaves more than a little to be desired... JackJohnson
  • Score: 2

7:47am Wed 9 Apr 14

poolemaninscotland says...

Tony Trent wrote:
CriticalFriend1 wrote:
What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.
Get your facts straight. A visit to the school to see how it all works would be a good starting point.
What absolute nonsense and I would love to know where you get this information from. yes it is open plan but the space is partitioned off into separate classes which has proven so far to be an excellent system that is producing excellent results. As I have stated previously in a separate comment, my 13 year old daughter goes to the Academy and she is sitting GCSE's in November which is nearly 3 years early. The system must be really bad. I have seen the school in full flow and it is superb with a fully dedicated team of staff and I personally sat down with Mrs Heron when my daughter started at the Academy and she is fully committed to improving the whole place. Why people on this post are attacking the teachers is beyond me. The Academy has my full support and have done wonders for my daughters education. Might be worth going to see the school for yourselves as a large majority of people posting on here have seriously got no idea.
[quote][p][bold]Tony Trent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CriticalFriend1[/bold] wrote: What I find shocking is that they spent 10 million pounds on a building that is not fit for purpose. The children are taught in classrooms of 100 kids, and they can't even hear the teachers because its all open plan! The children are even expected to work on the floor. Its unbelievable.[/p][/quote]Get your facts straight. A visit to the school to see how it all works would be a good starting point.[/p][/quote]What absolute nonsense and I would love to know where you get this information from. yes it is open plan but the space is partitioned off into separate classes which has proven so far to be an excellent system that is producing excellent results. As I have stated previously in a separate comment, my 13 year old daughter goes to the Academy and she is sitting GCSE's in November which is nearly 3 years early. The system must be really bad. I have seen the school in full flow and it is superb with a fully dedicated team of staff and I personally sat down with Mrs Heron when my daughter started at the Academy and she is fully committed to improving the whole place. Why people on this post are attacking the teachers is beyond me. The Academy has my full support and have done wonders for my daughters education. Might be worth going to see the school for yourselves as a large majority of people posting on here have seriously got no idea. poolemaninscotland
  • Score: 2

4:35pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Phixer says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes.

Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington.

Any Poole defenders here?
Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.
To suggest that the children of Easington had nothing more to look forward to in life than spending their whole life down a coal pit does those children a very sad disservice. The point of education is to move on and up to improve on the life that our parents had.

And - lets not let facts get in the way of a good socialist hypocritical rant - Wilson & Callaghan closed many more pits than did Margaret Thatcher. The pits had been in a bad way for a long time and never were all going to remain open.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes. Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington. Any Poole defenders here?[/p][/quote]Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.[/p][/quote]To suggest that the children of Easington had nothing more to look forward to in life than spending their whole life down a coal pit does those children a very sad disservice. The point of education is to move on and up to improve on the life that our parents had. And - lets not let facts get in the way of a good socialist hypocritical rant - Wilson & Callaghan closed many more pits than did Margaret Thatcher. The pits had been in a bad way for a long time and never were all going to remain open. Phixer
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Cookiem1982 says...

It is sad to see that this school has been the victim of a simple but high level fraud. I do not understand how it was able to happen. Is there no independent oversight of payments at the school?

I feel sorry for the person who was at the heart of this at the school but they were human and got conned. The blame should be in the fact that no one stopped to say is this normal?
It is sad to see that this school has been the victim of a simple but high level fraud. I do not understand how it was able to happen. Is there no independent oversight of payments at the school? I feel sorry for the person who was at the heart of this at the school but they were human and got conned. The blame should be in the fact that no one stopped to say is this normal? Cookiem1982
  • Score: -1

4:47pm Thu 10 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

Phixer wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes.

Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington.

Any Poole defenders here?
Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.
To suggest that the children of Easington had nothing more to look forward to in life than spending their whole life down a coal pit does those children a very sad disservice. The point of education is to move on and up to improve on the life that our parents had.

And - lets not let facts get in the way of a good socialist hypocritical rant - Wilson & Callaghan closed many more pits than did Margaret Thatcher. The pits had been in a bad way for a long time and never were all going to remain open.
Were you there from 1961 to about 1980? With the exception of a very few small employers the major employers were the collieries. The shipyards in Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland and Tesside were already dead or dying.

What Thatcher did wrong was that she killed mining, but made no attempt to replace it with anything else to keep people in gainful employment. She put a knife in the heart of communities that had grown over more than a hundred years. Not just in the North East.

When she finally died she should never have been given a state funeral. She should have been lobbed into the sea alongside Osama bin Laden. They'd have made a good couple.
[quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes. Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington. Any Poole defenders here?[/p][/quote]Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.[/p][/quote]To suggest that the children of Easington had nothing more to look forward to in life than spending their whole life down a coal pit does those children a very sad disservice. The point of education is to move on and up to improve on the life that our parents had. And - lets not let facts get in the way of a good socialist hypocritical rant - Wilson & Callaghan closed many more pits than did Margaret Thatcher. The pits had been in a bad way for a long time and never were all going to remain open.[/p][/quote]Were you there from 1961 to about 1980? With the exception of a very few small employers the major employers were the collieries. The shipyards in Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland and Tesside were already dead or dying. What Thatcher did wrong was that she killed mining, but made no attempt to replace it with anything else to keep people in gainful employment. She put a knife in the heart of communities that had grown over more than a hundred years. Not just in the North East. When she finally died she should never have been given a state funeral. She should have been lobbed into the sea alongside Osama bin Laden. They'd have made a good couple. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

11:48pm Fri 11 Apr 14

breamoreboy says...

JackJohnson wrote:
Phixer wrote:
JackJohnson wrote:
Yankee1 wrote:
I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes.

Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington.

Any Poole defenders here?
Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.
To suggest that the children of Easington had nothing more to look forward to in life than spending their whole life down a coal pit does those children a very sad disservice. The point of education is to move on and up to improve on the life that our parents had.

And - lets not let facts get in the way of a good socialist hypocritical rant - Wilson & Callaghan closed many more pits than did Margaret Thatcher. The pits had been in a bad way for a long time and never were all going to remain open.
Were you there from 1961 to about 1980? With the exception of a very few small employers the major employers were the collieries. The shipyards in Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland and Tesside were already dead or dying.

What Thatcher did wrong was that she killed mining, but made no attempt to replace it with anything else to keep people in gainful employment. She put a knife in the heart of communities that had grown over more than a hundred years. Not just in the North East.

When she finally died she should never have been given a state funeral. She should have been lobbed into the sea alongside Osama bin Laden. They'd have made a good couple.
I believe I detect a bad loser.
[quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Phixer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JackJohnson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yankee1[/bold] wrote: I have taught in Cromer and Easington (home of mine closures and 'Billy Elliot") and the GCSE results were higher. Signioficantly. And the kids were from very challenged homes. Is that part of Poole the armpit of the UK? I do not see the lack of opportunities, or jobs, that I saw in Cromer...or Easington. Any Poole defenders here?[/p][/quote]Were you in Easington before, or after, that terrorist Margaret Thatcher did her worst? If before, most of them had the coal mines to look forward to. If after, they had a few call centres - but that's about all.[/p][/quote]To suggest that the children of Easington had nothing more to look forward to in life than spending their whole life down a coal pit does those children a very sad disservice. The point of education is to move on and up to improve on the life that our parents had. And - lets not let facts get in the way of a good socialist hypocritical rant - Wilson & Callaghan closed many more pits than did Margaret Thatcher. The pits had been in a bad way for a long time and never were all going to remain open.[/p][/quote]Were you there from 1961 to about 1980? With the exception of a very few small employers the major employers were the collieries. The shipyards in Newcastle, Gateshead, Sunderland and Tesside were already dead or dying. What Thatcher did wrong was that she killed mining, but made no attempt to replace it with anything else to keep people in gainful employment. She put a knife in the heart of communities that had grown over more than a hundred years. Not just in the North East. When she finally died she should never have been given a state funeral. She should have been lobbed into the sea alongside Osama bin Laden. They'd have made a good couple.[/p][/quote]I believe I detect a bad loser. breamoreboy
  • Score: -1

7:11pm Sat 12 Apr 14

JackJohnson says...

No, just strong opinions about what Thatcher did and how it's carcass should have been disposed of when it finally died.
No, just strong opinions about what Thatcher did and how it's carcass should have been disposed of when it finally died. JackJohnson
  • Score: 1

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