Dorset County Hospital staff angry over new pay proposals

Bournemouth Echo: UNFAIR: DCH employee and Unite member Martin Shepherd plans to ask the Trust to remove itself from the Pay Consortium UNFAIR: DCH employee and Unite member Martin Shepherd plans to ask the Trust to remove itself from the Pay Consortium

STAFF at Dorset County Hospital are said to be feeling ‘anger and resentment’ after proposals to move towards regional pay were revealed.

A leaked document from the newly formed South West Pay Consortium has sparked fears that NHS staff in the South West could work longer hours for less pay if a regional system is introduced to replace the national terms and conditions.

The Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust is one of 16 organisations to join the consortium, which was set up to help trusts ‘modernise’ pay, terms and conditions in the region.

Proposals put forward by the consortium include a reduction in annual leave entitlement, changes to sick pay, performance related pay and a review of enhanced payments for night, weekend and Bank Holiday working. Pharmacist Martin Shepherd, who has worked at the hospital for over 26 years, said employees at the Dorchester hospital were incensed by the proposals.

He said this was particularly because staff had already taken their fair share of hits to terms and conditions during the financial difficulties the hospital had experienced in recent years and had played a key part in getting it back to a sound footing.

Speaking on behalf of the Unite union, Mr Shepherd said: “Over the last couple of years the Trust has been in quite a dire situation and it’s down to the staff’s hard work that it has regained some kind of balance.

“Now we find they are going behind our backs to join a pay cartel that worsens our conditions, the staff are very angry about it. Staff are very aware and there is quite a degree of anger and resentment.”

Mr Shepherd said staff were also angry that the hospital, like the other trusts in the consortium, had paid £10,000 towards it – money that they feel could have been spent on patient care.

He also argued against the whole principle of regional pay, claiming staff in the South West delivered the same standard of care at the same cost as any other trust in the country – something that should be reflected with equal pay.

Mr Shepherd said: “As a hospital if you do a hip replacement in Newcastle or Plymouth you get paid the same so why should staff caring for that patient be paid any different?”

Mr Shepherd said unions were planning to raise a petition asking the Trust to remove itself from the Pay Consortium.

‘No decisions have been made’

The hospital’s director of workforce and human resources Mark Power said the board had agreed to be part of the consortium to look at pay, terms and conditions for non-medical staff.

He added: “We are interested to see whether there is scope for more appropriately and effectively recognising and rewarding staff for the contribution they make. “This is particularly important in light of the challenges we face now, and will continue to face in the future. We have to meet the demand for improved and more efficient services in the face of rising pay and non-pay costs and diminishing income, while also trying to protect and maintain jobs.”

Mr Power said although a number of suggestions had been made by the consortium, no decisions had yet been made and any proposals would be consulted on with unions.

He added: “We will carefully, and independently, consider any proposals that emerge from the consortium’s work before we decide whether we would wish to take them further.

“We reserve the right to withdraw from the consortium at any time.”

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3:12pm Sat 30 Jun 12

CoogarUK.com says...

I was wondering how long it would take this latest piece of sh1t to hit the proverbial fan.
I was wondering how long it would take this latest piece of sh1t to hit the proverbial fan. CoogarUK.com
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5:31pm Sat 30 Jun 12

JamesYoung says...

Asking people to work for less is clearly not motivational. But unless these public spirited folks are prepared to pay the same for a plumber, car repair, theatre ticket, meal, childminder or house than they would be expected to pay in London, then i don't see why they need more than their colleagues in the city. After all, this is how every other profession is treated.
Asking people to work for less is clearly not motivational. But unless these public spirited folks are prepared to pay the same for a plumber, car repair, theatre ticket, meal, childminder or house than they would be expected to pay in London, then i don't see why they need more than their colleagues in the city. After all, this is how every other profession is treated. JamesYoung
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6:47pm Sat 30 Jun 12

oldbrock says...

meanwhile BOB DIAMOND and gang do what they do....and????
meanwhile BOB DIAMOND and gang do what they do....and???? oldbrock
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6:59pm Sat 30 Jun 12

irisred says...

JamesYoung wrote:
Asking people to work for less is clearly not motivational. But unless these public spirited folks are prepared to pay the same for a plumber, car repair, theatre ticket, meal, childminder or house than they would be expected to pay in London, then i don't see why they need more than their colleagues in the city. After all, this is how every other profession is treated.
They don't get the same as their colleagues in London. NHS staff in London still get weighted salaries.

All this will do is bring the salaries of these workers in line with the poor salary rates in the area, which we know are very disparate from local house prices.

Yes, a loaf of bread here, costs close enough to a loaf of bread in London or Cornwall but house prices in the area are phenomenally high and the salaries do not reflect this.

This is not a surprise but it is appalling when there are so many other ways that money could be saved. I don't normally agree with unions or their actions but I might be inclined to agree with them if they kick up a stink about this one!
[quote][p][bold]JamesYoung[/bold] wrote: Asking people to work for less is clearly not motivational. But unless these public spirited folks are prepared to pay the same for a plumber, car repair, theatre ticket, meal, childminder or house than they would be expected to pay in London, then i don't see why they need more than their colleagues in the city. After all, this is how every other profession is treated.[/p][/quote]They don't get the same as their colleagues in London. NHS staff in London still get weighted salaries. All this will do is bring the salaries of these workers in line with the poor salary rates in the area, which we know are very disparate from local house prices. Yes, a loaf of bread here, costs close enough to a loaf of bread in London or Cornwall but house prices in the area are phenomenally high and the salaries do not reflect this. This is not a surprise but it is appalling when there are so many other ways that money could be saved. I don't normally agree with unions or their actions but I might be inclined to agree with them if they kick up a stink about this one! irisred
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11:02pm Sat 30 Jun 12

weymouthfox says...

Dorset County Hospital still has too many direcors, managers and supervisors. Until that highly paid raft of people are thinned out, the hospital will always be in financial trouble.
Dorset County Hospital still has too many direcors, managers and supervisors. Until that highly paid raft of people are thinned out, the hospital will always be in financial trouble. weymouthfox
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9:42am Sun 1 Jul 12

Hodder says...

The document 'South West Pay, Terms and Conditions Consortium Final Draft May 2012' is available on the net. I quote from this document - “The purpose of the Consortium is to assist Trusts across the South West in modernising pay, terms and conditions to ensure that they are 'fit for purpose' going forward.” In the business English of today this means reducing the pay and terms and conditions of the lower paid staff while increasing the pay of the higher paid and 'more important' staff.
'Reward the right behaviour and culture.' - e.g. no whistle blowing if the statistics are being massaged and etc! ( e.g. Gary Walker of the United Lincolnshire Hospitals?)
Mr Shepherd will also note that the £10,000 is just the first installment to be paid – more to come!
The term 'divide and conquer' comes to mind?
The document 'South West Pay, Terms and Conditions Consortium Final Draft May 2012' is available on the net. I quote from this document - “The purpose of the Consortium is to assist Trusts across the South West in modernising pay, terms and conditions to ensure that they are 'fit for purpose' going forward.” In the business English of today this means reducing the pay and terms and conditions of the lower paid staff while increasing the pay of the higher paid and 'more important' staff. 'Reward the right behaviour and culture.' - e.g. no whistle blowing if the statistics are being massaged and etc! ( e.g. Gary Walker of the United Lincolnshire Hospitals?) Mr Shepherd will also note that the £10,000 is just the first installment to be paid – more to come! The term 'divide and conquer' comes to mind? Hodder
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10:09am Sun 1 Jul 12

portlandboy says...

Having spent many weeks in the DCH, I know that the front-line staff are already making the best out of very limited funds. They work extra hours EVERY day just to see that the jobs are finished, they consider costs up to the point that the point that the patient will suffer, they have had their pensions "fiddled" by the government and the terms and conditions that they signed up to have been obliterated since the cutbacks were introduced. EVERY change that has been made to their terms and conditions has been detrimental, so this will be no different. Yes, they are lucky - they do have jobs, they do have pensions, but they also do far more that they need to. Keep hitting them in the pocket and they will stop doing the great job that they currently do, resulting in even more agency staff being employed. And we all know how much more they cost, just look at teh DCC wage bills for outsourced staff pay!!
Why not pay on results? Well simply because the DCH front-liners would all get quite a big pay rise.
Having spent many weeks in the DCH, I know that the front-line staff are already making the best out of very limited funds. They work extra hours EVERY day just to see that the jobs are finished, they consider costs up to the point that the point that the patient will suffer, they have had their pensions "fiddled" by the government and the terms and conditions that they signed up to have been obliterated since the cutbacks were introduced. EVERY change that has been made to their terms and conditions has been detrimental, so this will be no different. Yes, they are lucky - they do have jobs, they do have pensions, but they also do far more that they need to. Keep hitting them in the pocket and they will stop doing the great job that they currently do, resulting in even more agency staff being employed. And we all know how much more they cost, just look at teh DCC wage bills for outsourced staff pay!! Why not pay on results? Well simply because the DCH front-liners would all get quite a big pay rise. portlandboy
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2:31pm Sun 1 Jul 12

grandiose says...

The staff at DCH do work extra hours for no pay "HavenSeaview "
how do you think the hospital has got out of the mess it was in. DCH runs on the good will of it's staff who have been working under extremely difficult conditions whilst DCH has been trying to get back to a better financial position.Portland boy is right, you only have to have been an inpatient to see this. Without this good will and dedication we patients would all be going to Bournemouth for treatment as the hospital would have folded. To say to DCH staff that" they have a job get a grip" is ridiculous. Working in a hospital needs certain skills that takes years to train for, you can't just walk in to a job like that. I appreciate these skills especially when I need them, my family have been well looked after at DCH and I support the DCH staff. If the bosses at DCH do end up taking on this Cartel's proposals then it would be a betrayal of the loyal staff and I am sure if they removed their good will, then we patient's would be the worse off. Employers should not be allowed to expect staff to work under poor conditions just because they should be grateful for a job, at that rate we would be sending our kids down the mines.

Working in a holiday camp nowhere near compares with the work that is done in a hospital that is if you work in Haven "HavenSeaview". Perhaps we should ask Haven their views, that would be interesting
The staff at DCH do work extra hours for no pay "HavenSeaview " how do you think the hospital has got out of the mess it was in. DCH runs on the good will of it's staff who have been working under extremely difficult conditions whilst DCH has been trying to get back to a better financial position.Portland boy is right, you only have to have been an inpatient to see this. Without this good will and dedication we patients would all be going to Bournemouth for treatment as the hospital would have folded. To say to DCH staff that" they have a job get a grip" is ridiculous. Working in a hospital needs certain skills that takes years to train for, you can't just walk in to a job like that. I appreciate these skills especially when I need them, my family have been well looked after at DCH and I support the DCH staff. If the bosses at DCH do end up taking on this Cartel's proposals then it would be a betrayal of the loyal staff and I am sure if they removed their good will, then we patient's would be the worse off. Employers should not be allowed to expect staff to work under poor conditions just because they should be grateful for a job, at that rate we would be sending our kids down the mines. Working in a holiday camp nowhere near compares with the work that is done in a hospital that is if you work in Haven "HavenSeaview". Perhaps we should ask Haven their views, that would be interesting grandiose
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11:32pm Sun 1 Jul 12

clansman59 says...

HavenSeaview wrote:
Realy well i think i have a good insight as i wored for the trust in the finance department, Having signed a disclaimer i can not say too much however you would be suprised at the level of staff on flexi time on full pay. Yes care has improved and the trust is improving . Regarding my username is due to the fact i am the companys finance controller. By all means contact Haven would you like there direct number???
Havenseaview either you are telling fibs or you did work in the finance dept. but your standard of the English is very poor and as popsiebabes asks did you get the sack for your poor spelling. Unlike you I still work for the hospital working with patients & I feel the trust is not getting better and patient care is suffering from the short sightedness of the cost cutting the have implemented over the past year. They have closed a complete medical ward and other beds in the hospital supposedly which is not have to have any effect on patient care. And what is wrong with people working on flexi time on full pay surely flexi time means your work hours are based around you work & home life I am sure there is a lot of companies who have staff working this way. As for shutting up and stop moaning, yes I am grateful I have job that appears to be well paid compared to some other jobs but I have but a lot of effort getting this job and as other people have said there are lot of staff who work over their work hours with out any extra pay. People working in NHS such as nurses & doctors have spent years studying to become qualified and still continue to update the skill and training every year and I sorry if this offends you but all their hard work deserves reward and support and not to be treat as poor relations to those working in bigger towns/cities.
[quote][p][bold]HavenSeaview[/bold] wrote: Realy well i think i have a good insight as i wored for the trust in the finance department, Having signed a disclaimer i can not say too much however you would be suprised at the level of staff on flexi time on full pay. Yes care has improved and the trust is improving . Regarding my username is due to the fact i am the companys finance controller. By all means contact Haven would you like there direct number???[/p][/quote]Havenseaview either you are telling fibs or you did work in the finance dept. but your standard of the English is very poor and as popsiebabes asks did you get the sack for your poor spelling. Unlike you I still work for the hospital working with patients & I feel the trust is not getting better and patient care is suffering from the short sightedness of the cost cutting the have implemented over the past year. They have closed a complete medical ward and other beds in the hospital supposedly which is not have to have any effect on patient care. And what is wrong with people working on flexi time on full pay surely flexi time means your work hours are based around you work & home life I am sure there is a lot of companies who have staff working this way. As for shutting up and stop moaning, yes I am grateful I have job that appears to be well paid compared to some other jobs but I have but a lot of effort getting this job and as other people have said there are lot of staff who work over their work hours with out any extra pay. People working in NHS such as nurses & doctors have spent years studying to become qualified and still continue to update the skill and training every year and I sorry if this offends you but all their hard work deserves reward and support and not to be treat as poor relations to those working in bigger towns/cities. clansman59
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12:16am Mon 2 Jul 12

grandiose says...

Well said clansman59 you do deserve reward and support especially from the public who you serve. I am sure that there are a lot of people out there who feel the same way as me. I am glad you explained flexi time as I always understood it to mean exactly that, you work your contracted hours but the times you work are flexible not the amount of hours. From what I can make out "havenseaview" thinks it means you work less hours but still get paid full pay. This misunderstanding together with the way my comments were answered makes me wonder what qualifications you need to be a financial controller.If this is the standard it explains alot.

Carry on doing the good work and thank you for your loyalty to the NHS. There are a lot of jobs in other countries in their Health Services whose conditions and pay are much better but you continue to stay here.
Well said clansman59 you do deserve reward and support especially from the public who you serve. I am sure that there are a lot of people out there who feel the same way as me. I am glad you explained flexi time as I always understood it to mean exactly that, you work your contracted hours but the times you work are flexible not the amount of hours. From what I can make out "havenseaview" thinks it means you work less hours but still get paid full pay. This misunderstanding together with the way my comments were answered makes me wonder what qualifications you need to be a financial controller.If this is the standard it explains alot. Carry on doing the good work and thank you for your loyalty to the NHS. There are a lot of jobs in other countries in their Health Services whose conditions and pay are much better but you continue to stay here. grandiose
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1:20am Mon 2 Jul 12

clansman59 says...

Thank you very much grandiose for your comment and your thank you and best wishes! It will be interesting to see the reply from "havenseaview"!
Thank you very much grandiose for your comment and your thank you and best wishes! It will be interesting to see the reply from "havenseaview"! clansman59
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1:24am Mon 2 Jul 12

maleficus says...

What a complete disgrace no other profession would stand for it why should health care staff? most nurses work a huge number of hours unpaid each week with no thanks or recognition they need degrees and have student fees to pay yet get paid less than police and fire services and are banned from striking. I cannot afford to spend all that money on training and live in the south west for the end salary is already to low, my advice don't bother go onto job seekers and let the hospital be filled with managers when they've finished closing all the wards they wont need doctors nurses or porters, they will still need cleaners though to clear up the mess they will leave behind.......
What a complete disgrace no other profession would stand for it why should health care staff? most nurses work a huge number of hours unpaid each week with no thanks or recognition they need degrees and have student fees to pay yet get paid less than police and fire services and are banned from striking. I cannot afford to spend all that money on training and live in the south west for the end salary is already to low, my advice don't bother go onto job seekers and let the hospital be filled with managers when they've finished closing all the wards they wont need doctors nurses or porters, they will still need cleaners though to clear up the mess they will leave behind....... maleficus
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9:47am Mon 2 Jul 12

cj07589 says...

I think its disgraceful that the goal posts are being moved, I dont blame the staff one little bit. They manage to find £Billions to throw at third world countries with nuclear weapons and space programs, when the banks want our money they get bailed out yet when it comes to supporting essential staff and services they try this despicable behavior. Will the over paid & under worked fat cats at the top of the NHS be taking paycuts too?? I think we all know the answer to that question, don't we?
I think its disgraceful that the goal posts are being moved, I dont blame the staff one little bit. They manage to find £Billions to throw at third world countries with nuclear weapons and space programs, when the banks want our money they get bailed out yet when it comes to supporting essential staff and services they try this despicable behavior. Will the over paid & under worked fat cats at the top of the NHS be taking paycuts too?? I think we all know the answer to that question, don't we? cj07589
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10:56am Mon 2 Jul 12

portlandboy says...

If each area is going to set their own pay level, what one will the London weighting be based on? If it is based on a low area's pay then the weighting will be non existent, yet how can they base it on the highest area rate if the rates can be changed to suit the local consortia?
If each area is going to set their own pay level, what one will the London weighting be based on? If it is based on a low area's pay then the weighting will be non existent, yet how can they base it on the highest area rate if the rates can be changed to suit the local consortia? portlandboy
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1:03pm Mon 2 Jul 12

hoopeybird says...

Well HavenSeaview,it was down to poor financial control that got us in the mess in tne first place,so yes,maybe you were the financial controller,god help us!,
I work more hours than I am paid
for at DCH and nearly every week we get yet another stab in the back! We rarely get thanks,but once a week we get reports of the hospital spending,with comments on whats been overspent,usually we are made to feel at fault when this happens yet,in my opinion,we should be spending more,not less on patients andless on management .
Among the 'top'staff there is constant back slapping but the hard working frontliners hardly get a mention unless we 'fall short'on some deadline or other.then we are all made to feel guilty!we had to beg for the queens jubilee off but management made us feel like criminals. I say we should get rid of these high earners who sit making decisions on how to waste money. well done Martin for highlighting the issue of pay! I shall be signing for sure!
Well HavenSeaview,it was down to poor financial control that got us in the mess in tne first place,so yes,maybe you were the financial controller,god help us!, I work more hours than I am paid for at DCH and nearly every week we get yet another stab in the back! We rarely get thanks,but once a week we get reports of the hospital spending,with comments on whats been overspent,usually we are made to feel at fault when this happens yet,in my opinion,we should be spending more,not less on patients andless on management . Among the 'top'staff there is constant back slapping but the hard working frontliners hardly get a mention unless we 'fall short'on some deadline or other.then we are all made to feel guilty!we had to beg for the queens jubilee off but management made us feel like criminals. I say we should get rid of these high earners who sit making decisions on how to waste money. well done Martin for highlighting the issue of pay! I shall be signing for sure! hoopeybird
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7:01pm Mon 2 Jul 12

banknote says...

Is the CEO's salary also under review?

I bet it's not!
Is the CEO's salary also under review? I bet it's not! banknote
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4:04pm Tue 3 Jul 12

MaidofDorset says...

Many of us have children who are away training for a career in healthcare.

Sadly many of those children have no intention of returning to Dorset when they are qualified due to the high cost of living.

A three bed home in Scunthorpe is £112K. You'd be lucky to get a 1 bed flat in Dorchester.

Dorset is not a cheap place to live. Slashing staff salaries will encourage staff to migrate to better paying hospitals.
Many of us have children who are away training for a career in healthcare. Sadly many of those children have no intention of returning to Dorset when they are qualified due to the high cost of living. A three bed home in Scunthorpe is £112K. You'd be lucky to get a 1 bed flat in Dorchester. Dorset is not a cheap place to live. Slashing staff salaries will encourage staff to migrate to better paying hospitals. MaidofDorset
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4:34pm Tue 3 Jul 12

portlandboy says...

Is it possible that this cartel might have to INCREASE the DCH salary levels to meet the local cost of living compared, say, to the North of England where a 2 bed house can be bought for £30,000??
Doubt that very much...
Is it possible that this cartel might have to INCREASE the DCH salary levels to meet the local cost of living compared, say, to the North of England where a 2 bed house can be bought for £30,000?? Doubt that very much... portlandboy
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8:10pm Wed 4 Jul 12

Sarum2000 says...

The plans are now in the public domain as they have been published on the Unison website and can be found via this link: http://www.unisonsou
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The plans are now in the public domain as they have been published on the Unison website and can be found via this link: http://www.unisonsou thwest.org.uk/_asset s/images/campaigns/d ocuments/regional%20 pay%20consortium%20- %20pid%20final%20dra ft%20-%20may%202012. pdf Sarum2000
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8:19pm Wed 4 Jul 12

Sarum2000 says...

If you read the plans, they are as bad as feared. The potential change to be imposed are pay cuts, longer working hours, reduced holiday entitlements, and so on. Guess what...the senior management are NOT INCLUDED. Do as I say not as I do. The public need to be aware that the NHS is now under threat! To record your protest, I would suggest all members of local NHS Foundation Trusts resign their membership. Also write to your Trust Governers and urge them to oppose these plans.
If you read the plans, they are as bad as feared. The potential change to be imposed are pay cuts, longer working hours, reduced holiday entitlements, and so on. Guess what...the senior management are NOT INCLUDED. Do as I say not as I do. The public need to be aware that the NHS is now under threat! To record your protest, I would suggest all members of local NHS Foundation Trusts resign their membership. Also write to your Trust Governers and urge them to oppose these plans. Sarum2000
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