200 people at bus stop protest voice anger over cuts to Weymouth community

SAVE OUR ROUTE: David Harris with demonstrators at the Southill bus protest

SAVE OUR ROUTE: David Harris with demonstrators at the Southill bus protest

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ALMOST 200 people joined a bus stop protest to voice their anger against a decision to cut off a Weymouth community.

There is dismay in Southill after bus firm First announced it was pulling out of the estate.

People are angry the operator is axing service 5 before consulting and investigating alternatives.

Elderly people who travel for free said they would be prepared to pay towards the fare than lose the bus altogether.

They fear they will be stranded without a link to town.

Demonstration organiser, county councillor David Harris, had called for people to assemble at a bus stop in Southill to show the strength of feeling.

Householders were joined by representatives from businesses, residents of local sheltered housing complexes and users of the day centre, all of whom will be affected.

First is making timetable changes from March 24.

Coun Harris told the crowd he wanted to meet with the regional director for First to thrash out issues, would press Dorset County Council for subsidy, and investigate whether Damory Coaches wanted to run a service.

He said later: “It was a great turnout and shows the feeling about trying to rescue the Southill bus.

“There’s many people who rely on the bus but they’re not using it every day which is why our solution would be to divert some buses through here that run regularly elsewhere such as Hereford Road and Littlemoor services.

“There was a threat to Southill service a few years ago and we campaigned against it. The result was we were given a bus which ran to Lanehouse which was not well thought out.”

Coun Harris said he was aware First was struggling to maintain a route which carried many concessionary pass holders. Many elderly people he had spoken too are prepared to pay a contribution.

Among the demonstrators was Doreen Symonds, 78, who lives in sheltered accommodation.

She said: “I would be left isolated without a bus. I’m entitled to free bus travel but I’d rather pay the full fare than be without the bus and have to get a taxi which is seven pounds each way.”

Her friend Sylvia Baker, 62, said: “It’s disgusting the way the bus company is behaving. They should look at extending other routes before cutting us off.”

Sharath Karanth, from Angel Pharmacy, said elderly people relied on the bus for medical appointments and would probably resort to calling an ambulance if they were stranded and panicked about medication.

“Getting out and about also improves their mood, it’s a social thing,” he said.

It’s like the ‘third world’

OTHER demonstrators included Brian Edwards, 77, pictured, who said the area had a ‘third world bus service’.

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He said: “There’s nothing after six o’clock in the evening, nothing on Sun-days or bank holidays.

“There’s a square mile of people here with a third rate bus service.”

Users of Southill day centre which caters for adults with learning disabilities made a placard reading: ‘Keep Southill alive, save our number five’.

Day service officer Dee Spalding said there were 19 out of 30 users who wouldn’t be able to attend if the bus was axed.

Borough councillor Ryan Hope said Southill’s elderly population would suffer. His Lib Dem colleague Christine James said in a bid to establish viable routes, managers should ‘start with a blank canvas’ and ask people where they would like to see a service.

Nothing we can do, says First

A FIRST spokesman said: “We understand why those involved arranged this and why they are frustrated. We respect their right to protest peacefully but we regret that there is nothing we can do.

“Service 5/5A, which we operate on a commercial basis, has performed poorly over a number of years and while efforts have been made to make it more financially viable these have not been successful.

“We deeply regret the impact that the decision to withdraw this route may have on local people, however in the current economic climate it can no longer sustain this loss-making route and thus has no choice but to withdraw it.

“We believe that the best long term solution for residents now would be to contact their local councillors to see if a bus service for the area could be supported by the local authority.

“The route as it stands is not commercially viable, the council has within its gift the power to contract a service if it believes that one is socially necessary.”

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10:26am Wed 13 Feb 13

not too distant says...

Don't waste your time talking to First. The level of uselessness observed in the drivers is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the managers, with a coefficient of proportionality seemingly approaching infinity. Or to put it another way, sometimes even a yoghurt can find a job.
Don't waste your time talking to First. The level of uselessness observed in the drivers is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the managers, with a coefficient of proportionality seemingly approaching infinity. Or to put it another way, sometimes even a yoghurt can find a job. not too distant
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12:02pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Mrjon1 says...

Wonder how many of them actually pay for their ticket?!
Wonder how many of them actually pay for their ticket?! Mrjon1
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1:05pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Chav_Scum says...

Mrjon1 wrote:
Wonder how many of them actually pay for their ticket?!
Exactly. I can only spot one person in that large crowd that is definately not of bus-pass age. Probably less than 10% of the bus passengers at Southill are fare paying.
Would these protesters be willing to pay for their ticket? I'm not stating that they SHOULD pay, but I think First are making it very clear recently that there are only 2 choices now on loss making routes - it has to cover it's costs or it WILL go.
[quote][p][bold]Mrjon1[/bold] wrote: Wonder how many of them actually pay for their ticket?![/p][/quote]Exactly. I can only spot one person in that large crowd that is definately not of bus-pass age. Probably less than 10% of the bus passengers at Southill are fare paying. Would these protesters be willing to pay for their ticket? I'm not stating that they SHOULD pay, but I think First are making it very clear recently that there are only 2 choices now on loss making routes - it has to cover it's costs or it WILL go. Chav_Scum
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3:35pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Simon 1965 says...

Apparently some of the people at the meeting indicated that they would be happy to pay something towards their travel.

Unfortunately (and through no fault of First) the current legislation does not allow for this option.

Simon N.
Apparently some of the people at the meeting indicated that they would be happy to pay something towards their travel. Unfortunately (and through no fault of First) the current legislation does not allow for this option. Simon N. Simon 1965
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5:17pm Wed 13 Feb 13

biggestoaf says...

Sadly this is fairly typical Lib Dem local politics. Set up a petition or call a meeting or organise a protest and, most importantly, get your picture in the paper. But how often do they actually DO anything that makes a difference? In this particular case I suspect they know there's little or nothing that can be done about the bus service, but they can't actually be honest about it. David Harris is brilliant at organising meetings and protests, but does anything actually change as a result? Very little as far as I can see.
Sadly this is fairly typical Lib Dem local politics. Set up a petition or call a meeting or organise a protest and, most importantly, get your picture in the paper. But how often do they actually DO anything that makes a difference? In this particular case I suspect they know there's little or nothing that can be done about the bus service, but they can't actually be honest about it. David Harris is brilliant at organising meetings and protests, but does anything actually change as a result? Very little as far as I can see. biggestoaf
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8:23pm Wed 13 Feb 13

scouse stu says...

Simon 1965 wrote:
Apparently some of the people at the meeting indicated that they would be happy to pay something towards their travel.

Unfortunately (and through no fault of First) the current legislation does not allow for this option.

Simon N.
there is nothing stopping any pass holder putting their pass back in their pocket and saying bugger it today i'm going to pay my bus fares like other non pass holders
[quote][p][bold]Simon 1965[/bold] wrote: Apparently some of the people at the meeting indicated that they would be happy to pay something towards their travel. Unfortunately (and through no fault of First) the current legislation does not allow for this option. Simon N.[/p][/quote]there is nothing stopping any pass holder putting their pass back in their pocket and saying bugger it today i'm going to pay my bus fares like other non pass holders scouse stu
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9:00pm Wed 13 Feb 13

JACKC says...

'biggestoaf' (name says it all really), at least David Harris DOES something about what the locals need/want, which is more than anyone else in local politics. Don't think I've EVER seen any of the others, except to sneak a bit of literature through the letter box at election time, and sneak off before anyone can ask them anything! Actually he works very hard for this constituency. Perhaps it's a cynical way of reducing the aging population, I mean it they have to walk to town, the idiots drivers will wipe them out on the roundabout (aka racetrack) as they try to cross the road. Good on you David, you put the others to shame!
'biggestoaf' (name says it all really), at least David Harris DOES something about what the locals need/want, which is more than anyone else in local politics. Don't think I've EVER seen any of the others, except to sneak a bit of literature through the letter box at election time, and sneak off before anyone can ask them anything! Actually he works very hard for this constituency. Perhaps it's a cynical way of reducing the aging population, I mean it they have to walk to town, the idiots drivers will wipe them out on the roundabout (aka racetrack) as they try to cross the road. Good on you David, you put the others to shame! JACKC
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9:34pm Wed 13 Feb 13

railwaychickenboy6 says...

wheres twiggy he always gets the last bus
wheres twiggy he always gets the last bus railwaychickenboy6
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10:49pm Wed 13 Feb 13

biggestoaf says...

JACKC wrote:
'biggestoaf' (name says it all really), at least David Harris DOES something about what the locals need/want, which is more than anyone else in local politics. Don't think I've EVER seen any of the others, except to sneak a bit of literature through the letter box at election time, and sneak off before anyone can ask them anything! Actually he works very hard for this constituency. Perhaps it's a cynical way of reducing the aging population, I mean it they have to walk to town, the idiots drivers will wipe them out on the roundabout (aka racetrack) as they try to cross the road. Good on you David, you put the others to shame!
But the problem is, what is it that he actually DOES? He organises a protest but he doesn't actually make anything change. And, what's worse, in this case I think he KNOWS he can't bring about any change so he's actually misleading people. It's all very well to say "It's terrible that the buses are being cut" and "I'm on your side" so that it looks as though he's doing things but in reality he and his fellow Lib Dems make a lot of noise but achieve nothing because their prime concern is to be seen making a lot of noise rather than getting anything done.
[quote][p][bold]JACKC[/bold] wrote: 'biggestoaf' (name says it all really), at least David Harris DOES something about what the locals need/want, which is more than anyone else in local politics. Don't think I've EVER seen any of the others, except to sneak a bit of literature through the letter box at election time, and sneak off before anyone can ask them anything! Actually he works very hard for this constituency. Perhaps it's a cynical way of reducing the aging population, I mean it they have to walk to town, the idiots drivers will wipe them out on the roundabout (aka racetrack) as they try to cross the road. Good on you David, you put the others to shame![/p][/quote]But the problem is, what is it that he actually DOES? He organises a protest but he doesn't actually make anything change. And, what's worse, in this case I think he KNOWS he can't bring about any change so he's actually misleading people. It's all very well to say "It's terrible that the buses are being cut" and "I'm on your side" so that it looks as though he's doing things but in reality he and his fellow Lib Dems make a lot of noise but achieve nothing because their prime concern is to be seen making a lot of noise rather than getting anything done. biggestoaf
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12:18am Thu 14 Feb 13

bobby1966 says...

not too distant wrote:
Don't waste your time talking to First. The level of uselessness observed in the drivers is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the managers, with a coefficient of proportionality seemingly approaching infinity. Or to put it another way, sometimes even a yoghurt can find a job.
WHAT A STUPID COMMENT

its not the drivers fault the route is being axed.what do you honestly expect first to do operate this bus at a loss of thousands a month.get fed up of people saying stagecoach would do this or damory would do that.ill tell you one thing ,better the devil you know. it does not matter what the name is on the side of a bus it is not going to run its buisness at a loss. you want to lay the blame then lets take a closer look to home.
1. THE COUNCIL GIVE THE SUBSIDIES AND ALLOCATE MONIES THEY SEEN THIS COMING BUT STILL DECIDED TO BLOW POINTLESS MONEY ON LASERS AND ROCKS.

2. THE GOVERNMENT GAVE ALL COMPANIES A VERY GOOD RATE TO GET THEM TO AGREE TO THE FREE PASS SCHEME YEARS AGO THEN THEY HAVE BASICALLY BENT THEM OVER WITH REDUCED PAYMENTS THE LAST FEW YEARS TO A RATE THAT IS JUST NOT VIABLE TO OPERATE CERTAIN SERVICES AT A PROFIT.

3. heres an idea lets scrap the free travel and let the government use the money it pays instead and add it on to a pensioner/disabled heating allowence in the winter im sure they would appriciate this more then they pay half fare for travel like the old days.

4. heres another suggestion put the 5/5a back in service but add on another 50p to fare paying passengers tickets to make the loss up


YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYONE
[quote][p][bold]not too distant[/bold] wrote: Don't waste your time talking to First. The level of uselessness observed in the drivers is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the managers, with a coefficient of proportionality seemingly approaching infinity. Or to put it another way, sometimes even a yoghurt can find a job.[/p][/quote]WHAT A STUPID COMMENT its not the drivers fault the route is being axed.what do you honestly expect first to do operate this bus at a loss of thousands a month.get fed up of people saying stagecoach would do this or damory would do that.ill tell you one thing ,better the devil you know. it does not matter what the name is on the side of a bus it is not going to run its buisness at a loss. you want to lay the blame then lets take a closer look to home. 1. THE COUNCIL GIVE THE SUBSIDIES AND ALLOCATE MONIES THEY SEEN THIS COMING BUT STILL DECIDED TO BLOW POINTLESS MONEY ON LASERS AND ROCKS. 2. THE GOVERNMENT GAVE ALL COMPANIES A VERY GOOD RATE TO GET THEM TO AGREE TO THE FREE PASS SCHEME YEARS AGO THEN THEY HAVE BASICALLY BENT THEM OVER WITH REDUCED PAYMENTS THE LAST FEW YEARS TO A RATE THAT IS JUST NOT VIABLE TO OPERATE CERTAIN SERVICES AT A PROFIT. 3. heres an idea lets scrap the free travel and let the government use the money it pays instead and add it on to a pensioner/disabled heating allowence in the winter im sure they would appriciate this more then they pay half fare for travel like the old days. 4. heres another suggestion put the 5/5a back in service but add on another 50p to fare paying passengers tickets to make the loss up YOU CANT PLEASE EVERYONE bobby1966
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11:58am Thu 14 Feb 13

p.stant says...

I solved the problem, I bought a thing called a car. Can't afford public transport!

Now I put £20 per MONTH of petrol in the little banger car that lasts me all month or about 137 miles of stop start around town Portland to Weymouth driving (app 40mpg) The equivalent on a bus would be considerably more cost and not go where I want it too or when, pollute far more per person carried than a modern car and hold up traffic.
I solved the problem, I bought a thing called a car. Can't afford public transport! Now I put £20 per MONTH of petrol in the little banger car that lasts me all month or about 137 miles of stop start around town Portland to Weymouth driving (app 40mpg) The equivalent on a bus would be considerably more cost and not go where I want it too or when, pollute far more per person carried than a modern car and hold up traffic. p.stant
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7:08pm Thu 14 Feb 13

niceonecyril says...

p.stant wrote:
I solved the problem, I bought a thing called a car. Can't afford public transport!

Now I put £20 per MONTH of petrol in the little banger car that lasts me all month or about 137 miles of stop start around town Portland to Weymouth driving (app 40mpg) The equivalent on a bus would be considerably more cost and not go where I want it too or when, pollute far more per person carried than a modern car and hold up traffic.
Wow £20 a month, I take it you don't pay road tax or insurance then ! Also due to stringent laws, modern busses emit less pollution than any new car.
[quote][p][bold]p.stant[/bold] wrote: I solved the problem, I bought a thing called a car. Can't afford public transport! Now I put £20 per MONTH of petrol in the little banger car that lasts me all month or about 137 miles of stop start around town Portland to Weymouth driving (app 40mpg) The equivalent on a bus would be considerably more cost and not go where I want it too or when, pollute far more per person carried than a modern car and hold up traffic.[/p][/quote]Wow £20 a month, I take it you don't pay road tax or insurance then ! Also due to stringent laws, modern busses emit less pollution than any new car. niceonecyril
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8:51pm Thu 14 Feb 13

p.stant says...

niceonecyril wrote:
p.stant wrote:
I solved the problem, I bought a thing called a car. Can't afford public transport!

Now I put £20 per MONTH of petrol in the little banger car that lasts me all month or about 137 miles of stop start around town Portland to Weymouth driving (app 40mpg) The equivalent on a bus would be considerably more cost and not go where I want it too or when, pollute far more per person carried than a modern car and hold up traffic.
Wow £20 a month, I take it you don't pay road tax or insurance then ! Also due to stringent laws, modern busses emit less pollution than any new car.
Yes but with a perfect record and low emission car, tax can be as low as 20-30 pounds a year, it still works out better value then public transport.

Also I don't have to share it with handfuls of coughing, **** sneezing disease carriers.
[quote][p][bold]niceonecyril[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]p.stant[/bold] wrote: I solved the problem, I bought a thing called a car. Can't afford public transport! Now I put £20 per MONTH of petrol in the little banger car that lasts me all month or about 137 miles of stop start around town Portland to Weymouth driving (app 40mpg) The equivalent on a bus would be considerably more cost and not go where I want it too or when, pollute far more per person carried than a modern car and hold up traffic.[/p][/quote]Wow £20 a month, I take it you don't pay road tax or insurance then ! Also due to stringent laws, modern busses emit less pollution than any new car.[/p][/quote]Yes but with a perfect record and low emission car, tax can be as low as 20-30 pounds a year, it still works out better value then public transport. Also I don't have to share it with handfuls of coughing, **** sneezing disease carriers. p.stant
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10:49pm Fri 15 Feb 13

EtaoinShrdlu says...

Why do you think houses are cheap in Southill? Because they are miles from anywhere. The bus service has always been crap so why be so surprised? Do you want chauffered limos provided by the government (taxpayer) to ferry you around? Get a life.
Why do you think houses are cheap in Southill? Because they are miles from anywhere. The bus service has always been crap so why be so surprised? Do you want chauffered limos provided by the government (taxpayer) to ferry you around? Get a life. EtaoinShrdlu
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1:11pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Tactical says...

Look at the photo at the top of the page OLD PEOPLE ! fed up of there moaning all the time, thinking they can change the world. WW2 has long since vanished.
Look at the photo at the top of the page OLD PEOPLE ! fed up of there moaning all the time, thinking they can change the world. WW2 has long since vanished. Tactical
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1:22pm Mon 18 Feb 13

greenglasses says...

I got the number 6 this morning and picked up a new timetable booklet from the display... shame it was for the number 2 route... come on First if you are changing my service please give me the information I need.
I got the number 6 this morning and picked up a new timetable booklet from the display... shame it was for the number 2 route... come on First if you are changing my service please give me the information I need. greenglasses
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10:03pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Simon Nicholas says...

Full timetables for the forthcoming service changes are available on their website.
Full timetables for the forthcoming service changes are available on their website. Simon Nicholas
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11:49am Tue 19 Feb 13

sandman223 says...

I completely agree with "Tactical" s comments... Its the older generation always moaning about ANYTHING. What would you have done if the motor had never been invented?? Find something to do old people and stop moaning, i suggest walking.
I completely agree with "Tactical" s comments... Its the older generation always moaning about ANYTHING. What would you have done if the motor had never been invented?? Find something to do old people and stop moaning, i suggest walking. sandman223
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1:26pm Tue 19 Feb 13

greenglasses says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
Full timetables for the forthcoming service changes are available on their website.
but why is the number 6 carrying a timetable for the number 2 bus....
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: Full timetables for the forthcoming service changes are available on their website.[/p][/quote]but why is the number 6 carrying a timetable for the number 2 bus.... greenglasses
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1:26pm Tue 19 Feb 13

greenglasses says...

Simon Nicholas wrote:
Full timetables for the forthcoming service changes are available on their website.
but why is the number 6 carrying a timetable for the number 2 bus....
[quote][p][bold]Simon Nicholas[/bold] wrote: Full timetables for the forthcoming service changes are available on their website.[/p][/quote]but why is the number 6 carrying a timetable for the number 2 bus.... greenglasses
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10:12pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Micke12 says...

As I have said on a number of occasions, there is no such thing as a free bus or a free lunch.

This route, which has very few customers at most times, usually carries 90% or more of old age pensioners, all using their free passes. The company gets a minimal amount from the government, yet they are expected to maintain a loss making service just for these pensioners.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that older people, most of whom have given years of loyal service to this country, either through industry or war, should receive discounted travel costs, but the clue is in the word 'discounted'

Free travel is not discounted travel. If these people want to try and get their bus service back, then they must approach the Department of Transport and ask them to get the law changed so that we get back to the old system where these Senior Citizens' and disabled people pay a 50% share of the fare, or, as someone said earlier, maybe they should just put away their bus passes and pay the full fare every third journey they make on the bus.

You cannot have it both ways, you either pay for it or lose it - Simples.

There is another idea that someone might like to consider - starting a local mini-bus service that covers all the current stops that the 5/5A uses now. This service, being private, would not be hard to set up, as long as you can show the traffic commissioner that is wanted and viable. If you supplied the same number of journeys per day that the current First route do, then you could make some good money, but this would rely on decent drivers, having a PSV licence and a reliable service operating. As a private initiative, you would not have to accept free passes, and could say charge £2.50 for an all day ticket. You would not be restricted to the number of journeys you can operate, within a reasonable amount and there would be real cash coming into the journeys, not the pittance that the government gives the companies at the moment for the free pass journeys. I ask you, is it fair to give the bus company an allowance of less than £3.00 for someone to do a journey from Poole to Exeter.

If you want the service back from First, then you will have to petition the government to increase the allowances given on your passes, or pay the full fare.

I hear these pensioners, day in, day out, moaning that they have worked for this country for 45 or more years, and therefore they are entitled, yes, ENTITLED, to free bus travel. Well, I have news for you, no one, and I mean, no one, is entitled to anything free, no matter how long they have served Queen and country - you want to be provided with a service, then bloody well pay for it like the rest of us have to - you are nothing special or a special case, you are just a lot older than us mere mortals, but it seems not so much wiser.

Final word to pensioners and disabled - Shut up and pay, or lose it because of your own greed. If you don't want to be bothered to protest to the government for the bus pass to be withdrawn and 50% fares to be paid, then pay the whole fair. The good old taxpayer is getting fed up with you all moaning and whinging about what you should and should not get free. You want it, you pay for it.
As I have said on a number of occasions, there is no such thing as a free bus or a free lunch. This route, which has very few customers at most times, usually carries 90% or more of old age pensioners, all using their free passes. The company gets a minimal amount from the government, yet they are expected to maintain a loss making service just for these pensioners. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that older people, most of whom have given years of loyal service to this country, either through industry or war, should receive discounted travel costs, but the clue is in the word 'discounted' Free travel is not discounted travel. If these people want to try and get their bus service back, then they must approach the Department of Transport and ask them to get the law changed so that we get back to the old system where these Senior Citizens' and disabled people pay a 50% share of the fare, or, as someone said earlier, maybe they should just put away their bus passes and pay the full fare every third journey they make on the bus. You cannot have it both ways, you either pay for it or lose it - Simples. There is another idea that someone might like to consider - starting a local mini-bus service that covers all the current stops that the 5/5A uses now. This service, being private, would not be hard to set up, as long as you can show the traffic commissioner that is wanted and viable. If you supplied the same number of journeys per day that the current First route do, then you could make some good money, but this would rely on decent drivers, having a PSV licence and a reliable service operating. As a private initiative, you would not have to accept free passes, and could say charge £2.50 for an all day ticket. You would not be restricted to the number of journeys you can operate, within a reasonable amount and there would be real cash coming into the journeys, not the pittance that the government gives the companies at the moment for the free pass journeys. I ask you, is it fair to give the bus company an allowance of less than £3.00 for someone to do a journey from Poole to Exeter. If you want the service back from First, then you will have to petition the government to increase the allowances given on your passes, or pay the full fare. I hear these pensioners, day in, day out, moaning that they have worked for this country for 45 or more years, and therefore they are entitled, yes, ENTITLED, to free bus travel. Well, I have news for you, no one, and I mean, no one, is entitled to anything free, no matter how long they have served Queen and country - you want to be provided with a service, then bloody well pay for it like the rest of us have to - you are nothing special or a special case, you are just a lot older than us mere mortals, but it seems not so much wiser. Final word to pensioners and disabled - Shut up and pay, or lose it because of your own greed. If you don't want to be bothered to protest to the government for the bus pass to be withdrawn and 50% fares to be paid, then pay the whole fair. The good old taxpayer is getting fed up with you all moaning and whinging about what you should and should not get free. You want it, you pay for it. Micke12
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11:14pm Tue 19 Feb 13

EtaoinShrdlu says...

Better bring in euthenasia then.
Better bring in euthenasia then. EtaoinShrdlu
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