Bus shake-up angers Weymouth communities

Bournemouth Echo: STRANDED: Mary Ann Carson and angry  residents in Dorchester Road STRANDED: Mary Ann Carson and angry residents in Dorchester Road

A SHAKE-up of bus services in Weymouth has angered communities.

Residents in Upwey have been ‘left in the lurch’ after the First bus company suddenly re-routed its evening services away from the northern half of Dorchester Road – bypassing their community.

Evening services to Preston and Chickerell have also been slashed apparently without warning, leaving passengers without a late-night connection to and from town during the winter.

The re-routing of service 31 which used to serve Upwey at night means the area no longer has a bus link with Weymouth town or Dorchester after 6.30pm.

Passengers who relied on it for work and leisure are outraged it was changed without consultation.

A meeting is being called by resident Mary Ann Carson to discuss the issue at the Royal Standard pub on Dorchester Road at 1pm on Saturday.

People affected by the cuts are invited to attend to help launch a campaign urging First to think again.

Miss Carson said: “Service 10 to Dorchester comes through Upwey but it stops in the early evening and on Sundays it is even earlier.

“Later in the evening we relied on service 31 to Bridport which diverted through Upwey so we had a few buses in each direction up until 10.55pm.

“Now without a word First has changed the route of the 31 so it now goes up Weymouth relief road and we are missed.

“This is affecting people’s lives.

“It’s good to have the peace and quiet in Upwey now the relief road has been built but we still need to get here. We’ve been left in the lurch.”

County councillor Andy Cooke called on First to look at the ‘social impact’ its decision had on the community, and said locals had been ‘seriously disadvantaged.’ Evening services on routes 8 and 4 to Chickerell and Preston used to be subsidised by the county council but First has decided to run a reduced service in the winter without financial support.

Borough councillor for Preston Ian Bruce called on the firm to reinstate its later services without subsidy ‘in the interests of all’. Coun Bruce said: “We are no longer getting a proper bus service and this changes the quality of life for residents who have been loyal customers.”

Coun Bruce said the cuts would do ‘more harm than good’ because people’s habits would change, leading to a reduction in bus use generally.

County councillor for Preston Brian Ellis said cutting services after the Olympics when people were encouraged to drive less ‘flies in the face of logic’.

He added: “This is a route I campaigned for years ago. First has now negotiated a contract reduction but it appears the public were not informed. I am trying to get answers at County Hall.”

In Chickerell where the village has lost the last two buses in the evening, town, district and county councillor Ian Gardner is gathering information about bus usage and would like to hear from locals affected by the change.

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10:13am Mon 3 Dec 12

ManOnTheSilverMountain says...

In short, they want the best of both worlds.

Happy there is no traffic, but want buses...

I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture... ManOnTheSilverMountain

10:22am Mon 3 Dec 12

Joe_Bloggs says...

Spot the recession.
All businesses are suffering and without subsidy First are unable to sustain these routes.
I regularly use the 4 & 8 services and personally would like to see the last bus reinstated and maybe remove the current 1 from last bus at during 19.00 - 19.40.
At the end of the day First run a business and if they went bankrupt there would be no buses then where would we all be.
I am more surprised that people have not complained about the first bus on a Sunday been withdrawn as now from Chickerell you can't get in to town on a Sunday until after 10.30 which is useless for those who start at 10.00 the early bus at 8.50 allways had 15 or so people on it.
I think First should let passengers know how many people on average a bus needs to carry to make it worth while and then we can all assess the situation and see how close we are in to having the extra buses.
I bet the withdrawn buses reappear during the summer when the foreign exchange students and holiday makers are here as then the routes are profitable.
Spot the recession. All businesses are suffering and without subsidy First are unable to sustain these routes. I regularly use the 4 & 8 services and personally would like to see the last bus reinstated and maybe remove the current 1 from last bus at during 19.00 - 19.40. At the end of the day First run a business and if they went bankrupt there would be no buses then where would we all be. I am more surprised that people have not complained about the first bus on a Sunday been withdrawn as now from Chickerell you can't get in to town on a Sunday until after 10.30 which is useless for those who start at 10.00 the early bus at 8.50 allways had 15 or so people on it. I think First should let passengers know how many people on average a bus needs to carry to make it worth while and then we can all assess the situation and see how close we are in to having the extra buses. I bet the withdrawn buses reappear during the summer when the foreign exchange students and holiday makers are here as then the routes are profitable. Joe_Bloggs

10:41am Mon 3 Dec 12

misterm says...

Aren't you lucky. The last bus from Southill leaves at 17.39 and the last bus from Weymouth at 17.20. No service on Sundays and that means no service on Public Holidays such as last Christmas when we had no bus for 9 days.
Aren't you lucky. The last bus from Southill leaves at 17.39 and the last bus from Weymouth at 17.20. No service on Sundays and that means no service on Public Holidays such as last Christmas when we had no bus for 9 days. misterm

10:55am Mon 3 Dec 12

Micke12 says...

There is one thing and one thing only to blame for these reductions. People using free bus passes, for which the company get peanuts from the government.

If people want to use these services and keep them running, then it must go back to the old days when pensioners and disabled people got a fare reduction, but had to pay say half fare. If the normal half fare is say 55 pence, and the company only gets 17 pence on the free bus pass, you cannot expect the company to run a non profit service.

There are two options.

1. The government increases the allowance bus companies get for taking the bass pass from the measly 17 pence to the standard half fare allowance.

2.. The government remove the free passes and institute a pass giving pensioners and disabled people a reduction of 50% on the standard adult fares.

I am not a bus driver or a bus company employee, but if you are running a service that is costing more to run than the fares you have coming in, you have to reduce or cease totally that service or services. Cost of running each bus is say - £20.00 but the bus only takes £3.00 in fares through normal users and pass users - this results in a £17.00 loss to the company. Calculate just that one journey over the whole year - a loss of £6,205. This means that all the services losing money over the year will bankrupt the company. There is no such thing as free - everything has to be paid for and if the government won't cover it, and the passengers won't at least pay a reasonable fare to reduce the overall loss to the company, then the service must be withdrawn.

I do, however, take issue with the re-routing of service 31 taking it away from Upwey. This can only be for one reason, and it is purely financial. There are no pick-up points along the relief road, so by re-routing the 31 this way, they cut down on the time that the bus takes to get to Weymouth, thereby cutting the cost of the fuel. Buses, like all vehicles, run better when running at a continuous speed, the average being 56 MPH. This is the speed that reduces fuel consumption and other mechanical overheads. By re-routing, the company saves a substantial amount of costs by not having buses wear out so quickly due to the stop and start of the Upwey area. The bus can not usually get more than 30MPH on the old Dorchester Road, and this is not prime speed for a bus or any vehicle. Perhaps the company might consider getting a smaller bus for the evening 31 route. They cannot justify putting a huge great 80 plus seat bus on a route that is never going to have more than 20-25 passengers at any one time. Perhaps they should place a Skipper bus on this route at night.

I open this comment up to replies from the bus company, but I suspect that First will be the same as West Dorset District Council, and refuse to give any form of interview or response to the public.

Go on Mark Williams, prove me wrong. Even Dave Beaman had the balls to reply to comments, but you probably don't.
There is one thing and one thing only to blame for these reductions. People using free bus passes, for which the company get peanuts from the government. If people want to use these services and keep them running, then it must go back to the old days when pensioners and disabled people got a fare reduction, but had to pay say half fare. If the normal half fare is say 55 pence, and the company only gets 17 pence on the free bus pass, you cannot expect the company to run a non profit service. There are two options. 1. The government increases the allowance bus companies get for taking the bass pass from the measly 17 pence to the standard half fare allowance. 2.. The government remove the free passes and institute a pass giving pensioners and disabled people a reduction of 50% on the standard adult fares. I am not a bus driver or a bus company employee, but if you are running a service that is costing more to run than the fares you have coming in, you have to reduce or cease totally that service or services. Cost of running each bus is say - £20.00 but the bus only takes £3.00 in fares through normal users and pass users - this results in a £17.00 loss to the company. Calculate just that one journey over the whole year - a loss of £6,205. This means that all the services losing money over the year will bankrupt the company. There is no such thing as free - everything has to be paid for and if the government won't cover it, and the passengers won't at least pay a reasonable fare to reduce the overall loss to the company, then the service must be withdrawn. I do, however, take issue with the re-routing of service 31 taking it away from Upwey. This can only be for one reason, and it is purely financial. There are no pick-up points along the relief road, so by re-routing the 31 this way, they cut down on the time that the bus takes to get to Weymouth, thereby cutting the cost of the fuel. Buses, like all vehicles, run better when running at a continuous speed, the average being 56 MPH. This is the speed that reduces fuel consumption and other mechanical overheads. By re-routing, the company saves a substantial amount of costs by not having buses wear out so quickly due to the stop and start of the Upwey area. The bus can not usually get more than 30MPH on the old Dorchester Road, and this is not prime speed for a bus or any vehicle. Perhaps the company might consider getting a smaller bus for the evening 31 route. They cannot justify putting a huge great 80 plus seat bus on a route that is never going to have more than 20-25 passengers at any one time. Perhaps they should place a Skipper bus on this route at night. I open this comment up to replies from the bus company, but I suspect that First will be the same as West Dorset District Council, and refuse to give any form of interview or response to the public. Go on Mark Williams, prove me wrong. Even Dave Beaman had the balls to reply to comments, but you probably don't. Micke12

11:13am Mon 3 Dec 12

annotator1 says...

Micke12 wrote:
There is one thing and one thing only to blame for these reductions. People using free bus passes, for which the company get peanuts from the government.

If people want to use these services and keep them running, then it must go back to the old days when pensioners and disabled people got a fare reduction, but had to pay say half fare. If the normal half fare is say 55 pence, and the company only gets 17 pence on the free bus pass, you cannot expect the company to run a non profit service.

There are two options.

1. The government increases the allowance bus companies get for taking the bass pass from the measly 17 pence to the standard half fare allowance.

2.. The government remove the free passes and institute a pass giving pensioners and disabled people a reduction of 50% on the standard adult fares.

I am not a bus driver or a bus company employee, but if you are running a service that is costing more to run than the fares you have coming in, you have to reduce or cease totally that service or services. Cost of running each bus is say - £20.00 but the bus only takes £3.00 in fares through normal users and pass users - this results in a £17.00 loss to the company. Calculate just that one journey over the whole year - a loss of £6,205. This means that all the services losing money over the year will bankrupt the company. There is no such thing as free - everything has to be paid for and if the government won't cover it, and the passengers won't at least pay a reasonable fare to reduce the overall loss to the company, then the service must be withdrawn.

I do, however, take issue with the re-routing of service 31 taking it away from Upwey. This can only be for one reason, and it is purely financial. There are no pick-up points along the relief road, so by re-routing the 31 this way, they cut down on the time that the bus takes to get to Weymouth, thereby cutting the cost of the fuel. Buses, like all vehicles, run better when running at a continuous speed, the average being 56 MPH. This is the speed that reduces fuel consumption and other mechanical overheads. By re-routing, the company saves a substantial amount of costs by not having buses wear out so quickly due to the stop and start of the Upwey area. The bus can not usually get more than 30MPH on the old Dorchester Road, and this is not prime speed for a bus or any vehicle. Perhaps the company might consider getting a smaller bus for the evening 31 route. They cannot justify putting a huge great 80 plus seat bus on a route that is never going to have more than 20-25 passengers at any one time. Perhaps they should place a Skipper bus on this route at night.

I open this comment up to replies from the bus company, but I suspect that First will be the same as West Dorset District Council, and refuse to give any form of interview or response to the public.

Go on Mark Williams, prove me wrong. Even Dave Beaman had the balls to reply to comments, but you probably don't.
I think the "Nail" has been struck, fair and square on its head by these comments.
There is no way a company can stay in business without a reasonable profit being shown. I suppose the bus company could increase fares to cover their losses but if they do that, customers will be reduced and, exactly as what has happened to local public houses will happen. They will be forced to stop trading as price has outstripped demand.

Time to take a walk to Littlemoor Road junction for a plentiful supply of buses possibly.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: There is one thing and one thing only to blame for these reductions. People using free bus passes, for which the company get peanuts from the government. If people want to use these services and keep them running, then it must go back to the old days when pensioners and disabled people got a fare reduction, but had to pay say half fare. If the normal half fare is say 55 pence, and the company only gets 17 pence on the free bus pass, you cannot expect the company to run a non profit service. There are two options. 1. The government increases the allowance bus companies get for taking the bass pass from the measly 17 pence to the standard half fare allowance. 2.. The government remove the free passes and institute a pass giving pensioners and disabled people a reduction of 50% on the standard adult fares. I am not a bus driver or a bus company employee, but if you are running a service that is costing more to run than the fares you have coming in, you have to reduce or cease totally that service or services. Cost of running each bus is say - £20.00 but the bus only takes £3.00 in fares through normal users and pass users - this results in a £17.00 loss to the company. Calculate just that one journey over the whole year - a loss of £6,205. This means that all the services losing money over the year will bankrupt the company. There is no such thing as free - everything has to be paid for and if the government won't cover it, and the passengers won't at least pay a reasonable fare to reduce the overall loss to the company, then the service must be withdrawn. I do, however, take issue with the re-routing of service 31 taking it away from Upwey. This can only be for one reason, and it is purely financial. There are no pick-up points along the relief road, so by re-routing the 31 this way, they cut down on the time that the bus takes to get to Weymouth, thereby cutting the cost of the fuel. Buses, like all vehicles, run better when running at a continuous speed, the average being 56 MPH. This is the speed that reduces fuel consumption and other mechanical overheads. By re-routing, the company saves a substantial amount of costs by not having buses wear out so quickly due to the stop and start of the Upwey area. The bus can not usually get more than 30MPH on the old Dorchester Road, and this is not prime speed for a bus or any vehicle. Perhaps the company might consider getting a smaller bus for the evening 31 route. They cannot justify putting a huge great 80 plus seat bus on a route that is never going to have more than 20-25 passengers at any one time. Perhaps they should place a Skipper bus on this route at night. I open this comment up to replies from the bus company, but I suspect that First will be the same as West Dorset District Council, and refuse to give any form of interview or response to the public. Go on Mark Williams, prove me wrong. Even Dave Beaman had the balls to reply to comments, but you probably don't.[/p][/quote]I think the "Nail" has been struck, fair and square on its head by these comments. There is no way a company can stay in business without a reasonable profit being shown. I suppose the bus company could increase fares to cover their losses but if they do that, customers will be reduced and, exactly as what has happened to local public houses will happen. They will be forced to stop trading as price has outstripped demand. Time to take a walk to Littlemoor Road junction for a plentiful supply of buses possibly. annotator1

11:18am Mon 3 Dec 12

willimac says...

Councillors come to the resuce again - not!

We heard all this before when the No4 service stopped returning to town via Oakbury Drive. Apparently it was because there were no lights when turning out of Melcombe into Preston Road. This could have happened under the slosh of money that was made for the non-sensical improvments recently proposed for Preston Road.

I understand the business need that First need to make a profit. I support an earlier comment to stop the free bus fares for over 60s - many of them do not need it, it should be either means tested or given to those who reach the 'national' retirement age. This might even provide a reduction in fares if everyone was paying (that should).
Councillors come to the resuce again - not! We heard all this before when the No4 service stopped returning to town via Oakbury Drive. Apparently it was because there were no lights when turning out of Melcombe into Preston Road. This could have happened under the slosh of money that was made for the non-sensical improvments recently proposed for Preston Road. I understand the business need that First need to make a profit. I support an earlier comment to stop the free bus fares for over 60s - many of them do not need it, it should be either means tested or given to those who reach the 'national' retirement age. This might even provide a reduction in fares if everyone was paying (that should). willimac

11:40am Mon 3 Dec 12

mrgoo says...

but on the plus side, the Standard will have a full house Saturday lunchtime!!
but on the plus side, the Standard will have a full house Saturday lunchtime!! mrgoo

11:40am Mon 3 Dec 12

Desk24 says...

A lot of the busses suffer damage on the 'dirt track pothole', sorry, I meant Sussex Road.
A lot of the busses suffer damage on the 'dirt track pothole', sorry, I meant Sussex Road. Desk24

11:44am Mon 3 Dec 12

JoeyJo says...

"Time to take a walk to Littlemoor Road junction for a plentiful supply of buses possibly." Possibly is right as the Weymouth Dorchester late buses have also been axed.
"Time to take a walk to Littlemoor Road junction for a plentiful supply of buses possibly." Possibly is right as the Weymouth Dorchester late buses have also been axed. JoeyJo

4:39pm Mon 3 Dec 12

ade123 says...

what a load of twaddle! mickie 12 is 12 your IQ or just your age, where do you get your figures from? your not a driver or employee. as for the comments re free passes ,there not free I worked hard all of my life for this concession (never claimed benefits unlike most of the people around me I usually had more than one job to make ends meet) so I am entitled to my bus pass. BTW I

I seldom use my bus pass as I am fortunate enough to run a car,(due to my previous hard work but other people may not be as fortunate.Thank You
what a load of twaddle! mickie 12 is 12 your IQ or just your age, where do you get your figures from? your not a driver or employee. as for the comments re free passes ,there not free I worked hard all of my life for this concession (never claimed benefits unlike most of the people around me I usually had more than one job to make ends meet) so I am entitled to my bus pass. BTW I I seldom use my bus pass as I am fortunate enough to run a car,(due to my previous hard work but other people may not be as fortunate.Thank You ade123

5:44pm Mon 3 Dec 12

stevieboy says...

Bus passes are cost effective for the government. Without bus passes older people become socially isolated and therefore more likely to have physical or mental problems leading to more hospital admissions which cost the NHS far more than the passes. Bus companies are businesses but removing bus passes won't increase the revenues.
Bus passes are cost effective for the government. Without bus passes older people become socially isolated and therefore more likely to have physical or mental problems leading to more hospital admissions which cost the NHS far more than the passes. Bus companies are businesses but removing bus passes won't increase the revenues. stevieboy

5:47pm Mon 3 Dec 12

scouse stu says...

like any business if you're not making a profit get rid of the deadwood
like any business if you're not making a profit get rid of the deadwood scouse stu

6:01pm Mon 3 Dec 12

malkie says...

With or without bus passes, if buses were available, people would use them. Try getting to work in town for 08-00 from Lanehouse.....Its not possible. The early bus terminates at Southill & is then used for the "school run". Who needs to travel to Southill from lanehouse at 07-30?
With or without bus passes, if buses were available, people would use them. Try getting to work in town for 08-00 from Lanehouse.....Its not possible. The early bus terminates at Southill & is then used for the "school run". Who needs to travel to Southill from lanehouse at 07-30? malkie

6:05pm Mon 3 Dec 12

ade123 says...

thats a scouse comment for you AKA bene-fit
thats a scouse comment for you AKA bene-fit ade123

6:27pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dorset Guy says...

At the end of the day its use it or loose it!
If you want action press your County Councillor
Remember that it is the County Council elections in MAY
They need your vote to get re elected but just remember they vote on party lines so dont expect too much unless ther is a landslide best result would be a hung council
At the end of the day its use it or loose it! If you want action press your County Councillor Remember that it is the County Council elections in MAY They need your vote to get re elected but just remember they vote on party lines so dont expect too much unless ther is a landslide best result would be a hung council Dorset Guy

6:39pm Mon 3 Dec 12

tomsk11h says...

Well either buy a ticket or walk down to Littlemoor road! First are a business, not a charity!
Well either buy a ticket or walk down to Littlemoor road! First are a business, not a charity! tomsk11h

6:41pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Dorset Guy says...

Penny has just dropped - This timetable started on 4th November !
Have they only just noticed?
Penny has just dropped - This timetable started on 4th November ! Have they only just noticed? Dorset Guy

7:54pm Mon 3 Dec 12

bobby1966 says...

SIGNS AND NOTICES WERE POSTED.

posters were put in the bus shelters as i read them. also messages were posted on the first website and on the facebook and twitter as people commented.

its funny all these people suddenly want a bus service in that area but DONT USE IT .

the amount of times i have gone down that road with the 31 after 7 pm and have just sailed straight into town without picking up anybody until the radipole spa.which the number 2 can do.

if your gonna moan about the services and goto the papers then how about you actually use them more than once in a blue moon.

fact of the matter is way more people use the bus in the littlemoor area in the evenings so the company is going to service where it might actually get some revenue.
SIGNS AND NOTICES WERE POSTED. posters were put in the bus shelters as i read them. also messages were posted on the first website and on the facebook and twitter as people commented. its funny all these people suddenly want a bus service in that area but DONT USE IT . the amount of times i have gone down that road with the 31 after 7 pm and have just sailed straight into town without picking up anybody until the radipole spa.which the number 2 can do. if your gonna moan about the services and goto the papers then how about you actually use them more than once in a blue moon. fact of the matter is way more people use the bus in the littlemoor area in the evenings so the company is going to service where it might actually get some revenue. bobby1966

8:59pm Mon 3 Dec 12

bobby1966 says...

just to add re the pension debate im not against pensioners getting free travel. but the reason these free passes were brought in was for local people to get to the shops/doctors not for the whole pension brigade to take their hols with lol.

lets make it local free travel for local people only at all times. any holiday makers with passes should pay half and these people who get free passes for other things like distance and only living in small rural areas should maybe pay a quarter.

it has to stop somewhere the government subsidy is reducing even more in the next few months and its just going to be impossible for things to run.

people have to remember the government sold off their transport sector many years ago so they should not come poking their nose in now.

first are a private company trying to make a profit.

how would weatherspoons feel if mr cameron said in his next budget that all pensioners can eat for free between 1pm and 5pm and the government will pay them 40p per meal ....I THINK NOT
just to add re the pension debate im not against pensioners getting free travel. but the reason these free passes were brought in was for local people to get to the shops/doctors not for the whole pension brigade to take their hols with lol. lets make it local free travel for local people only at all times. any holiday makers with passes should pay half and these people who get free passes for other things like distance and only living in small rural areas should maybe pay a quarter. it has to stop somewhere the government subsidy is reducing even more in the next few months and its just going to be impossible for things to run. people have to remember the government sold off their transport sector many years ago so they should not come poking their nose in now. first are a private company trying to make a profit. how would weatherspoons feel if mr cameron said in his next budget that all pensioners can eat for free between 1pm and 5pm and the government will pay them 40p per meal ....I THINK NOT bobby1966

10:04pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Micke12 says...

ade123 wrote:
what a load of twaddle! mickie 12 is 12 your IQ or just your age, where do you get your figures from? your not a driver or employee. as for the comments re free passes ,there not free I worked hard all of my life for this concession (never claimed benefits unlike most of the people around me I usually had more than one job to make ends meet) so I am entitled to my bus pass. BTW I

I seldom use my bus pass as I am fortunate enough to run a car,(due to my previous hard work but other people may not be as fortunate.Thank You
So, you have a bus pass which you seldom use - ok. But using the car when you have a bus pass is an oxymoron. The whole idea of bus passes is that people who have them use them.

Hear is a little puzzle for you ade123. How do you spell Micke12 - I see that your spelling is a bad as your argument.

I get my figures directly from the drivers of these buses - not out of the air. The other week, an X53 bus from Poole to Exeter took the grand sum of £35.00 cash, yet the bus was full for most of the route. All of the other passengers were pass users, which the bus driver tell me is paid for by the government at the rate of £0.47 per passenger, regardless of whether that passenger goes just 2 stops or all the way from Poole to Exeter, this being a minimum distance on road of 80.8 miles by road. This equates to an income per mile from the each pass used of £0.0049 pence per mile. Tell me if that is fair on the bus company, and whether you think it is right that pensioners or disabled people should get that sort of subsidy.

As for your argument about you having earned the right to the free bus pass, no one, and I mean no one, regardless of the amount they have paid into the state coffers, has the right to anything free. We work, we pay Income Tax and VAT all our working lives, and even when we are working, we have to pay our travel expenses, unless we are an MP or dodgy councillor. Based on your argument, everyone should be allowed to travel free when they hit pension age, but I disagree. Pensioners may or may not have paid into the revenue for all their lives, and they deserve a good pension when they retire - even if the government decide to steal it out from under them. But everyone should pay their way in society with the money they have, pensioners included, but the fares for pensioners and those with disabilities should be reduced to 50% of the normal adult fare, and those children with serious disabilities should pay half the child standard fare.

What you have paid into the state should not be taken as a carte-blanche reason for getting free public transport, whether by bus or train. If someone wants to take a journey on public transport, then they have to be prepared to make a payment for that journey - simples - even for someone who cannot spell properly.

No one has a prime right to expect anything for free, and those who have the facility, but choose instead to pollute the atmosphere even more by using their car are running on a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Seems to me Ade123, this was more about having a side-swipe at people on benefits. People are not so easy getting jobs these days, and whilst I accept that there is a percentage of the benefit population who do not want to work, you will probably find that most want to work, but because of this and previous government policy, the amount of work has shrunk, and employers are not taking on staff due to the recession. So what if you worked hard all your life, good for you, but then based on the fact that you are now of pension age, you started work at a time when you could literally walk out of one job one day and get another the next - it is no longer like that, with some times 200 people going for the one position - time for a reality check old man I think. Times have changed, but the pensioners seem not to notice as they were working in an era when jobs were plentiful and easy to get - until the winter of discontent in 1974 -and then the selling of the country's silver by thatcher the milk snatcher closely followed by a Major crappy government after that. If we had not sold off all the oil and gas reserves, this country would not be in the state it is now, and I challenge you to prove me wrong. What is the cost of a barrel of crude at the moment - over $100 a barrel, whereas, if we still had our own oil and gas, the cost to us would be something like $65 a barrel from our own oil fields - the same with gas. Our own oil and gas fields would mean we don't have to worry about the wholesale price of gas and oil from places like Russia and the Gulf states as we would be self sufficient with no worries about some foreign country cutting the supply from the Ural Mountains in Russia.

Greed, only greed, by previous Conservative and, to a lesser extent, Labour governments have brought us to this position. Lack of control on the ****, - sorry, meant bankers, which meant they were able to make huge losses that crippled this countries finances, but what did we do, we bailed them out, allowing those prats to keep trading at a terrible loss and burden to the tax payer - namely YOU.
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: what a load of twaddle! mickie 12 is 12 your IQ or just your age, where do you get your figures from? your not a driver or employee. as for the comments re free passes ,there not free I worked hard all of my life for this concession (never claimed benefits unlike most of the people around me I usually had more than one job to make ends meet) so I am entitled to my bus pass. BTW I I seldom use my bus pass as I am fortunate enough to run a car,(due to my previous hard work but other people may not be as fortunate.Thank You[/p][/quote]So, you have a bus pass which you seldom use - ok. But using the car when you have a bus pass is an oxymoron. The whole idea of bus passes is that people who have them use them. Hear is a little puzzle for you ade123. How do you spell Micke12 - I see that your spelling is a bad as your argument. I get my figures directly from the drivers of these buses - not out of the air. The other week, an X53 bus from Poole to Exeter took the grand sum of £35.00 cash, yet the bus was full for most of the route. All of the other passengers were pass users, which the bus driver tell me is paid for by the government at the rate of £0.47 per passenger, regardless of whether that passenger goes just 2 stops or all the way from Poole to Exeter, this being a minimum distance on road of 80.8 miles by road. This equates to an income per mile from the each pass used of £0.0049 pence per mile. Tell me if that is fair on the bus company, and whether you think it is right that pensioners or disabled people should get that sort of subsidy. As for your argument about you having earned the right to the free bus pass, no one, and I mean no one, regardless of the amount they have paid into the state coffers, has the right to anything free. We work, we pay Income Tax and VAT all our working lives, and even when we are working, we have to pay our travel expenses, unless we are an MP or dodgy councillor. Based on your argument, everyone should be allowed to travel free when they hit pension age, but I disagree. Pensioners may or may not have paid into the revenue for all their lives, and they deserve a good pension when they retire - even if the government decide to steal it out from under them. But everyone should pay their way in society with the money they have, pensioners included, but the fares for pensioners and those with disabilities should be reduced to 50% of the normal adult fare, and those children with serious disabilities should pay half the child standard fare. What you have paid into the state should not be taken as a carte-blanche reason for getting free public transport, whether by bus or train. If someone wants to take a journey on public transport, then they have to be prepared to make a payment for that journey - simples - even for someone who cannot spell properly. No one has a prime right to expect anything for free, and those who have the facility, but choose instead to pollute the atmosphere even more by using their car are running on a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Seems to me Ade123, this was more about having a side-swipe at people on benefits. People are not so easy getting jobs these days, and whilst I accept that there is a percentage of the benefit population who do not want to work, you will probably find that most want to work, but because of this and previous government policy, the amount of work has shrunk, and employers are not taking on staff due to the recession. So what if you worked hard all your life, good for you, but then based on the fact that you are now of pension age, you started work at a time when you could literally walk out of one job one day and get another the next - it is no longer like that, with some times 200 people going for the one position - time for a reality check old man I think. Times have changed, but the pensioners seem not to notice as they were working in an era when jobs were plentiful and easy to get - until the winter of discontent in 1974 -and then the selling of the country's silver by thatcher the milk snatcher closely followed by a Major crappy government after that. If we had not sold off all the oil and gas reserves, this country would not be in the state it is now, and I challenge you to prove me wrong. What is the cost of a barrel of crude at the moment - over $100 a barrel, whereas, if we still had our own oil and gas, the cost to us would be something like $65 a barrel from our own oil fields - the same with gas. Our own oil and gas fields would mean we don't have to worry about the wholesale price of gas and oil from places like Russia and the Gulf states as we would be self sufficient with no worries about some foreign country cutting the supply from the Ural Mountains in Russia. Greed, only greed, by previous Conservative and, to a lesser extent, Labour governments have brought us to this position. Lack of control on the ****, - sorry, meant bankers, which meant they were able to make huge losses that crippled this countries finances, but what did we do, we bailed them out, allowing those prats to keep trading at a terrible loss and burden to the tax payer - namely YOU. Micke12

12:58pm Tue 4 Dec 12

chaotica2410 says...

ManOnTheSilverMounta
in
wrote:
In short, they want the best of both worlds.

Happy there is no traffic, but want buses...

I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...[/p][/quote]I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!! chaotica2410

1:01pm Tue 4 Dec 12

chaotica2410 says...

Joe_Bloggs wrote:
Spot the recession.
All businesses are suffering and without subsidy First are unable to sustain these routes.
I regularly use the 4 & 8 services and personally would like to see the last bus reinstated and maybe remove the current 1 from last bus at during 19.00 - 19.40.
At the end of the day First run a business and if they went bankrupt there would be no buses then where would we all be.
I am more surprised that people have not complained about the first bus on a Sunday been withdrawn as now from Chickerell you can't get in to town on a Sunday until after 10.30 which is useless for those who start at 10.00 the early bus at 8.50 allways had 15 or so people on it.
I think First should let passengers know how many people on average a bus needs to carry to make it worth while and then we can all assess the situation and see how close we are in to having the extra buses.
I bet the withdrawn buses reappear during the summer when the foreign exchange students and holiday makers are here as then the routes are profitable.
Somehow, i don't think First will go bankrupt....

See any issue of Private Eye for real details of what a bunch of moneygrubbing b******s First really are.
[quote][p][bold]Joe_Bloggs[/bold] wrote: Spot the recession. All businesses are suffering and without subsidy First are unable to sustain these routes. I regularly use the 4 & 8 services and personally would like to see the last bus reinstated and maybe remove the current 1 from last bus at during 19.00 - 19.40. At the end of the day First run a business and if they went bankrupt there would be no buses then where would we all be. I am more surprised that people have not complained about the first bus on a Sunday been withdrawn as now from Chickerell you can't get in to town on a Sunday until after 10.30 which is useless for those who start at 10.00 the early bus at 8.50 allways had 15 or so people on it. I think First should let passengers know how many people on average a bus needs to carry to make it worth while and then we can all assess the situation and see how close we are in to having the extra buses. I bet the withdrawn buses reappear during the summer when the foreign exchange students and holiday makers are here as then the routes are profitable.[/p][/quote]Somehow, i don't think First will go bankrupt.... See any issue of Private Eye for real details of what a bunch of moneygrubbing b******s First really are. chaotica2410

1:09pm Tue 4 Dec 12

stench says...

some services will always have fewer people use it, but it may still be essential!

They make huge profits on many of the services, so First should take a loss or two on the chin and appreciate that there are other companies out there that may be willing to provide a bit more of a service to the town and communities...

Stagecoach?

But of course, this would rely on influence from the council...
some services will always have fewer people use it, but it may still be essential! They make huge profits on many of the services, so First should take a loss or two on the chin and appreciate that there are other companies out there that may be willing to provide a bit more of a service to the town and communities... Stagecoach? But of course, this would rely on influence from the council... stench

3:10pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Simon Nicholas says...

First are in the process of selling under performing parts of their bus operation in a bid to raise 100 million pounds to pay off balance sheet historical debt and to lower borrowings. Unfortunately, despite many of these operations being in traditionally good bus operating areas, there have been little or no interest in them. I have a list of most of these areas (North Devon and parts of Scotland already closed, Wigan and Chester just been sold to Stagecoach - Plymouth, parts of Somerset, most of the West Midlands, and Northampton still up for grabs) although I can`t get a straight answer on Weymouth to be honest. I think its staying unless a very good bid came in. I do have sympathy with them however, the combination of the low reimbursement rate (and its not quite as low as quoted above, but its pretty awful) and the loss of all the Dorset CC school work over a year ago, has made the operation a **** sight more marginal that it once was.

Simon N.
First are in the process of selling under performing parts of their bus operation in a bid to raise 100 million pounds to pay off balance sheet historical debt and to lower borrowings. Unfortunately, despite many of these operations being in traditionally good bus operating areas, there have been little or no interest in them. I have a list of most of these areas (North Devon and parts of Scotland already closed, Wigan and Chester just been sold to Stagecoach - Plymouth, parts of Somerset, most of the West Midlands, and Northampton still up for grabs) although I can`t get a straight answer on Weymouth to be honest. I think its staying unless a very good bid came in. I do have sympathy with them however, the combination of the low reimbursement rate (and its not quite as low as quoted above, but its pretty awful) and the loss of all the Dorset CC school work over a year ago, has made the operation a **** sight more marginal that it once was. Simon N. Simon Nicholas

4:19pm Tue 4 Dec 12

thebrain says...

The bus services in the whole UK are in crisis because of the free bus pass scheme. This scheme is abused, the council hand these passes to every one those that have them traet buses like taxi`s.Get on one stop hop off the next costing the tax payer and the company.
These people want buses write to their MP`s and demand the end of free bus passes pay half fair like the old days. Everyone was happy now the old demand more and offer nil in return many are rude whilst on buses and at times demand seats from the fare paying worker struggling to make ends meet with no help for heating, bus travel etc.
Help yourselves for once demand the end of the free bus travel.
The bus services in the whole UK are in crisis because of the free bus pass scheme. This scheme is abused, the council hand these passes to every one those that have them traet buses like taxi`s.Get on one stop hop off the next costing the tax payer and the company. These people want buses write to their MP`s and demand the end of free bus passes pay half fair like the old days. Everyone was happy now the old demand more and offer nil in return many are rude whilst on buses and at times demand seats from the fare paying worker struggling to make ends meet with no help for heating, bus travel etc. Help yourselves for once demand the end of the free bus travel. thebrain

4:38pm Tue 4 Dec 12

ade123 says...

ide , like to say w----r but not allowed to
you will be old one day
ide , like to say w----r but not allowed to you will be old one day ade123

5:02pm Tue 4 Dec 12

kildare43 says...

Huge losses of bus services in Dorset..........note the deafening silence from Poundbury.

Bus passes for Dorset people only, holidaymakers should pay.

Lay the blame at DCC, they are the real culprits, so whats new !
Huge losses of bus services in Dorset..........note the deafening silence from Poundbury. Bus passes for Dorset people only, holidaymakers should pay. Lay the blame at DCC, they are the real culprits, so whats new ! kildare43

5:22pm Tue 4 Dec 12

Simon Nicholas says...

Welsh and Scottish OAP holidaymakers still have to pay by the way as their bus pass schemes are separately administered. Its only the English ones that Dorset CC have to reimburse!

Simon N.
Welsh and Scottish OAP holidaymakers still have to pay by the way as their bus pass schemes are separately administered. Its only the English ones that Dorset CC have to reimburse! Simon N. Simon Nicholas

8:36am Wed 5 Dec 12

thevoiceuk says...

chaotica2410 wrote:
ManOnTheSilverMounta

in
wrote:
In short, they want the best of both worlds.

Happy there is no traffic, but want buses...

I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!!
Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?
[quote][p][bold]chaotica2410[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...[/p][/quote]I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday? thevoiceuk

9:23am Wed 5 Dec 12

Micke12 says...

thevoiceuk wrote:
chaotica2410 wrote:
ManOnTheSilverMounta


in
wrote:
In short, they want the best of both worlds.

Happy there is no traffic, but want buses...

I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!!
Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?
This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.
[quote][p][bold]thevoiceuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chaotica2410[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...[/p][/quote]I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?[/p][/quote]This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please. Micke12

12:22pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Peter Baylis says...

Haven't the people of Upwey thought of setting up their own community bus service. As for only Dorset people getting free travel, as opposed to holidaymakers, I think you will find that pensioners coming to Nottingham on holiday get free bus travel, and nobody moans about that.
Haven't the people of Upwey thought of setting up their own community bus service. As for only Dorset people getting free travel, as opposed to holidaymakers, I think you will find that pensioners coming to Nottingham on holiday get free bus travel, and nobody moans about that. Peter Baylis

12:38pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Micke12 says...

Micke12 wrote:
thevoiceuk wrote:
chaotica2410 wrote:
ManOnTheSilverMounta



in
wrote:
In short, they want the best of both worlds.

Happy there is no traffic, but want buses...

I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!!
Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?
This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.
Sorry, thevoice. My error, was chaotica2410 wrote about no buses for him to get kids back in town Sunday Afternoons-evenings. My apologies for any errors on my part.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chaotica2410[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...[/p][/quote]I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?[/p][/quote]This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.[/p][/quote]Sorry, thevoice. My error, was chaotica2410 wrote about no buses for him to get kids back in town Sunday Afternoons-evenings. My apologies for any errors on my part. Micke12

1:08pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Monmouthsman says...

Still seems to be plenty of funds to subsidise the Weymouth park and ride buses. Maybe some of that pot could be better used to at least maintain a service untill 11.00pm from town centre to each of the Weymouth and Portland main population centres for as long as the Pavillion is in business.
Still seems to be plenty of funds to subsidise the Weymouth park and ride buses. Maybe some of that pot could be better used to at least maintain a service untill 11.00pm from town centre to each of the Weymouth and Portland main population centres for as long as the Pavillion is in business. Monmouthsman

1:23pm Wed 5 Dec 12

thevoiceuk says...

Micke12 wrote:
Micke12 wrote:
thevoiceuk wrote:
chaotica2410 wrote:
ManOnTheSilverMounta




in
wrote:
In short, they want the best of both worlds.

Happy there is no traffic, but want buses...

I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!!
Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?
This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.
Sorry, thevoice. My error, was chaotica2410 wrote about no buses for him to get kids back in town Sunday Afternoons-evenings. My apologies for any errors on my part.
No worries, just thought I could help, due to my constant studying of bus timetables due to the changes. Oh what an exciting life I lead!
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chaotica2410[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...[/p][/quote]I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?[/p][/quote]This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.[/p][/quote]Sorry, thevoice. My error, was chaotica2410 wrote about no buses for him to get kids back in town Sunday Afternoons-evenings. My apologies for any errors on my part.[/p][/quote]No worries, just thought I could help, due to my constant studying of bus timetables due to the changes. Oh what an exciting life I lead! thevoiceuk

5:10pm Wed 5 Dec 12

bobby1966 says...

Peter Baylis wrote:
Haven't the people of Upwey thought of setting up their own community bus service. As for only Dorset people getting free travel, as opposed to holidaymakers, I think you will find that pensioners coming to Nottingham on holiday get free bus travel, and nobody moans about that.
i think u dont see the point. nottingham is a dump and not a holiday resort ,it also has a larger base with more paying customers.

im afriad the ratio of free passes to paying passengers is far more than you think. the 31 and x53 are basically made up of 70 per cent free passes and in the summer this will go upto about 80 per cent.

lets be honest any other buisness would be shut down by now.

lets take the x53 for example(and these figures are not far off) lets say it has 50 people on it from poole 40 of those will be free passes. they all want to go to weymouth . if these people had to pay full fare like an adult the company would get roughly 232 pound at 5.80 each. due to the passes they now go for free and recieve lets say 70p per pensioner. TOTAL 28 pound. see the difference and this is on one trip only .that 28 pound would just about cover the drivers wages and thats it , no fuel,insurence,wear and tear,tax,etc etc
[quote][p][bold]Peter Baylis[/bold] wrote: Haven't the people of Upwey thought of setting up their own community bus service. As for only Dorset people getting free travel, as opposed to holidaymakers, I think you will find that pensioners coming to Nottingham on holiday get free bus travel, and nobody moans about that.[/p][/quote]i think u dont see the point. nottingham is a dump and not a holiday resort ,it also has a larger base with more paying customers. im afriad the ratio of free passes to paying passengers is far more than you think. the 31 and x53 are basically made up of 70 per cent free passes and in the summer this will go upto about 80 per cent. lets be honest any other buisness would be shut down by now. lets take the x53 for example(and these figures are not far off) lets say it has 50 people on it from poole 40 of those will be free passes. they all want to go to weymouth . if these people had to pay full fare like an adult the company would get roughly 232 pound at 5.80 each. due to the passes they now go for free and recieve lets say 70p per pensioner. TOTAL 28 pound. see the difference and this is on one trip only .that 28 pound would just about cover the drivers wages and thats it , no fuel,insurence,wear and tear,tax,etc etc bobby1966

8:55pm Wed 5 Dec 12

tomsk11h says...

ade123 wrote:
ide , like to say w----r but not allowed to
you will be old one day
Consider your self lucky, i expect when im old there will be no free bus passes for anyone!
[quote][p][bold]ade123[/bold] wrote: ide , like to say w----r but not allowed to you will be old one day[/p][/quote]Consider your self lucky, i expect when im old there will be no free bus passes for anyone! tomsk11h

9:08pm Wed 5 Dec 12

kildare43 says...

Come on Mr. Cameron, abolish the national bus passes and increase the age to 65, maybe then we can have a bus service on a Sunday and Bank Holiday instead of being virtually under house arrest until next Easter (X53). Well you could also give us a cycle/footpath along the coast road so we at least could walk the 2.5.miles into Bridport to connect with the outside world.
Come on Mr. Cameron, abolish the national bus passes and increase the age to 65, maybe then we can have a bus service on a Sunday and Bank Holiday instead of being virtually under house arrest until next Easter (X53). Well you could also give us a cycle/footpath along the coast road so we at least could walk the 2.5.miles into Bridport to connect with the outside world. kildare43

12:41pm Thu 6 Dec 12

Throckape says...

Micke12 wrote:
Micke12 wrote:
thevoiceuk wrote:
chaotica2410 wrote:
ManOnTheSilverMounta in wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...
I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!!
Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?
This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.
Sorry, thevoice. My error, was chaotica2410 wrote about no buses for him to get kids back in town Sunday Afternoons-evenings. My apologies for any errors on my part.
11pm is too early..

I'm a bit out of touch but the last bus to Portland used to depart the Statue just before 10:30. Most evening entertainment has barely got going by then. So you either drive/ride or take a taxi.

I presume it must be like that for other outlying districts.
[quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Micke12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thevoiceuk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chaotica2410[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ManOnTheSilverMounta in[/bold] wrote: In short, they want the best of both worlds. Happy there is no traffic, but want buses... I hope First don't pander to the vocal minority and do what's best for the bigger picture...[/p][/quote]I live near the Spa, so am not exactly in a quiet spot, and rely on public transport to take my kids home on a sunday. Now, in the middle of winter, and with no buses after 4pm, i can either walk my kids to town for the bus, or get 3 hours less with them. Thanks, First. *****!!!![/p][/quote]Where are you travelling to? Surely you can still get a Littlemoor bus to town from the Spar on a Sunday?[/p][/quote]This is not quite true Thevoiceuk. The number 2 route runs pass the Spa on Sundays with at least 2 services per hour after 4.30 pm. Me thinks you are bleating just for the fun of it. you can still see your kids for the same length of time, maybe half an hour less, but to state 3 hours less is an obvious lie, as proven purely by looking at the timetables. It is falsehoods like this that do this forum no good. If you are going to moan, at least make it a moan based on fact please.[/p][/quote]Sorry, thevoice. My error, was chaotica2410 wrote about no buses for him to get kids back in town Sunday Afternoons-evenings. My apologies for any errors on my part.[/p][/quote]11pm is too early.. I'm a bit out of touch but the last bus to Portland used to depart the Statue just before 10:30. Most evening entertainment has barely got going by then. So you either drive/ride or take a taxi. I presume it must be like that for other outlying districts. Throckape

5:51pm Fri 7 Dec 12

bootedsw says...

In theory first could kill off the x53 and start a coach service along the route. A coach service could be exempt from the buss pass scheme.
In theory first could kill off the x53 and start a coach service along the route. A coach service could be exempt from the buss pass scheme. bootedsw

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