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Cherries: Still's embargo comment ill-informed


JOHN Still needs to take a long, hard look at himself. Unprompted, the Dagenham & Redbridge boss became the latest manager to take a petty swipe at Cherries’ financial predicament on Saturday.

The 59-year-old east Londoner has always come across as a personable character and, win, lose or draw, his opinions are generally fair and balanced.

Even in the heat of the moment, Still has managed to retain his dignity, as he did following a touchline spat with Cherries assistant boss Jason Tindall at Dean Court some 16 months ago.

However, and for no apparent reason, humility and respect deserted Still as he fielded questions put by the Daily Echo following Daggers’ victory over Cherries at Victoria Road.

Predictably, his beef – as it had been with Rochdale’s Keith Hill and Accrington’s John Coleman before him – concerned Cherries’ ongoing transfer embargo.

Specifically, Still questioned why the Football League had sanctioned Cherries’ request to draft in Rhoys Wiggins as an emergency loan signing.

Still made no secret of the fact he had also courted the Norwich City defender last month, ruling out the possibility of sour grapes being the cause of his ire.

Even when he was asked for his thoughts on Cherries, Still seemed almost apologetic at raising the emotive subject – but made sure he did.

“Bournemouth are a very strong side and I’m sure they will be working hard to keep in that top group,” he said. “I know they’ve had their problems.

“This isn’t a criticism of Bournemouth, but I find it a bit strange when teams have transfer embargoes for spending too much money and can then bring in loan players.

“We tried to loan the left-back and couldn’t afford it. I find it quite strange that they were allowed to bring in an emergency loan when they are having those problems.

“It’s nothing against the management or the team, it’s against the situation. I find it really strange but I can’t control that.”

For many reasons, his observations were ill informed.

Still is unlikely to know the finer details of the Wiggins deal or whether the player himself would have wanted to link up with the Daggers.

Compromises are often reached on the terms of a loan player’s agreement and it has been known in the past for the parent club to meet 100 per cent of their wages.

To this end, it would suggest Still is merely guessing at figures, particularly as the financial details of the Wiggins deal have not been made public.

Eddie Howe, probably fed up to the back teeth with rival managers poking their noses into Cherries’ business, declined to offer a response.

Three loan signings in a year is hardly exorbitant, as Howe has beaten the odds to keep Cherries competitive rather than gain an unfair advantage.

Wiggins, meanwhile, has already said he jumped at the chance to return to Dean Court having enjoyed a fruitful stay last season.

And if his choice between Cherries and Daggers was purely down to footballing reasons, it is unlikely to have taken him long to make up his mind.

Still took Maidstone United to the Football League in 1989 and repeated the feat with the Daggers in 2007. Having enjoyed a good deal of success in non-league, his footballing philosophy belongs there, especially on the evidence of Saturday’s fare.

Uncompromising if effective, Daggers’ route-one approach was certainly not for the purists. And judging by a paltry attendance of 2,215 – of which more than a third were visiting supporters – it has hardly encapsulated the locals.

The cultured Wiggins, it has to be said, would have been like a fish out of water at Victoria Road – and one with a very sore neck.

Unconfirmed rumours suggested the St John’s Ambulance brigade had been seen giving the match ball the kiss of life at half-time. Spoken in jest, they were, of course, wide of the mark, if indicative of a nondescript opening period.

Cherries defended resolutely as Daggers attacked with bovine predictability, the visitors fashioning the first opportunity of the first half when Brett Pitman caressed a right-foot effort over the crossbar.

A flimsy 39th-minute penalty ultimately did for Cherries, with Mark Arber dispatching emphatically past Shwan Jalal after Steve Fletcher had been deemed to have shoved Peter Gain.

In comparison, the second half was strewn with chances, the majority falling to the hosts. Jalal was Josh Scott’s nemesis on three different occasions, while the underside of the crossbar did well to withstand Paul Benson’s thunderous strike.

In truth, Daggers’ veteran goalkeeper Tony Roberts, 40, could probably play for at least another 10 years if every opponent offered as little in front of goal as Cherries at Victoria Road.

One of his reasons for playing up to the crowd?

“It gets a bit cold standing there doing nothing.”

Comments(24)

daveeleven says...
7:25am Mon 15 Feb 10

It's a bit rich for this 'news'paper to accuse Mr Still of being ill-informed when it can't even produce an article that articulates to their customers exactly why this emabargo is in place, much in the same way they refused to confront Savi and avoid asking Eddie Mitchell or Jeff Mostyn anything of substance.
I hope I'm not the only AFCB fan to see the massive irony in this newspaper accusing people of being ill-informed when they are incapable of doing the one thing they exist for.....informing people.

Middlesex Cherry says...
8:22am Mon 15 Feb 10

Mr Perrett is certainly ill informed. Why refer to the St John's Ambulance when this noble organisation's correct title is St John Ambulance.
Sadly, a mistake that many people make.

lymocherry says...
8:24am Mon 15 Feb 10

It appears there are a few people who are ill infromed when it comes to the Cherries !!

daveeleven says...
8:36am Mon 15 Feb 10

The irony on here this morning is never ending! lol

KENETHOMEROD says...
10:44am Mon 15 Feb 10

Spot on daveeleven . Why have ago at a Managers opinions then stoop so low to knock him and his teams style of play. If that keeps them in the league then good luck to them, they are a small club and deserve credit for being a league club. They beat us fair and square and we move on to Saturdays game so please stop stirring.

In Absentia says...
10:58am Mon 15 Feb 10

A strange article from a journalist who failed to respond to numerous requests on here to seriously investigate the behaviour of Sport 6 when they owned the club.

I don't see a problem with John Still expressing an opinion about the signing of Wiggins. If his team could'nt afford him then he's entitled to question the terms of the deal with us in our precarious financial position. Whether Wiggins wanted to go to D&R is irrelevant.

molbol says...
11:31am Mon 15 Feb 10

KENETHOMEROD wrote:
Spot on daveeleven . Why have ago at a Managers opinions then stoop so low to knock him and his teams style of play. If that keeps them in the league then good luck to them, they are a small club and deserve credit for being a league club. They beat us fair and square and we move on to Saturdays game so please stop stirring.
I never thought this day would come but i 100% agree with you Ken - Knowing John Still from his Maidstone days of over 20 years ago what he has always been good at is getting the best from the hand he's dealt. I think it's a bit low to have a pop at their style of football. No it's not pretty but it smacks of sour grapes to me given our defeat. They deserved their win, end of. We were poor on the day and since the loss of Molesley and Igoe to injury, thus robbing us of a creative midfield we've hardly played like Arsenal have we?
I saw the lads when they got back to the ground on Saturday night and if i was to glean anything from the result it was evident that they were most P***** off and hurting, especially Eddie. They know they let themselves down that's for sure. Watch out Macclesfield and Barnet - The boys are going to make you pay!!
UTCIAD!!

lymocherry says...
12:22pm Mon 15 Feb 10

daveeleven wrote:
The irony on here this morning is never ending! lol
I knew you would bite!!!

djd says...
12:34pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Forget Saturday, look forward to Saturday and Tuesday.

Brock_and_Roll says...
1:23pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Dear Echo,

This article is as out of order as it is ironic.

It you want to do a bit of real journalism, simply find out the answer to these 2 simple questions:

1) How much do we owe and to who?

2) What conditions have the FL laid down in order for the embargo to be lift?

Would I be correct in assuming that your reluctance to ask EM these difficult but essential questions may have something to do with what has happened to your colleagues down the road in Southampton.......sh
ame on you if thats the case!

Brock_and_Roll says...
1:27pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Dear Echo,

This article is as out of order as it is ironic.

It you want to do a bit of real journalism, simply find out the answer to these 2 simple questions:

1) How much do we owe and to who?

2) What conditions have the FL laid down in order for the embargo to be lift?

Would I be correct in assuming that your reluctance to ask EM these difficult but essential questions may have something to do with what has happened to your colleagues down the road in Southampton.......sh
ame on you if thats the case!

djd says...
2:54pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Neil Perrett, best you report the football 'cos that's what we want to read.
Try to keep out of the political pitfalls.
Up The Cherries In All Deprtments.

JasonDart says...
3:27pm Mon 15 Feb 10

whenever I come to the comments all I hear are people whinging.
When have the papers said anything worth printing for one - thats all on that subject.
Secondly the transfer embargo, the football league has no intention of lifting this ban this season unless we go up, then they might.
The debt has been with us some matter of years and will probably be there till the very end.
With regards to other managers having their say is, butt out, your comments are not welcome, it would be like me going up to them and asking there personal financial matters, and I am sure that they would tell me (not).
And as for Wiggins he wanted to come to Bournemouth to play and thats final, any terms of agreement are irrelevant.
So Daggers boss stop whinging, because you have never had our problems our punishments so think yourself extremely lucky.
Eddie Howe you are the best manager in the lower league by miles if you look at the backing you have got, good luck, get the boys promoted and show the football league.

regsue says...
3:27pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Has this reporter, Neil Perrett just landed from outer space or his he just plain ignorant ! Of course John Still has the right to question the Bournemouth situation. Why should they have gained an unfair advantage by buying/paying players they cannot afford. They are now merely paying the price for this situation and although every respect to the current management of the club, they should count themselves lucky they were not entirely 'wound-up' by the High Court and had to start again as a new club in non-league. What an enfantile piece of reporting which brings the Daily Echo no credit whatsoever. I would respectfully suggest this fellow starts to get a clearer understanding of football in the 21st Century. Perhaps he himself should READ papers and gain a clearer understanding what is happenning in the footballing world. Portsmouth just up the road would be a good start before he dare comment on what other clubs do or don't do. As per a previous comment, that is just 'gutter reporting' and has no place in this paper whatsoever. Would he please make a humble apology in the paper for this totally unwarrented attack on a person who is widely accepted as a total gentleman of the game.

JasonDart says...
3:40pm Mon 15 Feb 10

regsue,

Although I agree that the papers, in this case the Echo do not report facts, the beautiful game is the only thing I am interested in, but you cannot honestly say that it is fair despite all our financial problems that we can possibly play the game with just a squad of thirteen players.
Winding up and starting again is still not going to make the difference because we would still only have thirteen players.
With regards to the Portsmouth fiasco that in itself is a joke they say that the club is 60 million pounds in debt, thats 10 times more than our original debt ( presumably) and they are still allowed to purchase players, but that is a different football association completely, so different rules apparently ( hollow laughter)

AFCBade says...
6:40pm Mon 15 Feb 10

Whilst agreeing about the lack of clarity about the emargo, I feel this article gives a useful insight into why the FL overall is taking the hard line on AFCB. There is clearly a feeling amongst clubs that keep their books under control that clubs like AFCB deserve no sympathy!

Julian1966 says...
6:46pm Mon 15 Feb 10

regsue wrote:
Has this reporter, Neil Perrett just landed from outer space or his he just plain ignorant ! Of course John Still has the right to question the Bournemouth situation. Why should they have gained an unfair advantage by buying/paying players they cannot afford. They are now merely paying the price for this situation and although every respect to the current management of the club, they should count themselves lucky they were not entirely 'wound-up' by the High Court and had to start again as a new club in non-league. What an enfantile piece of reporting which brings the Daily Echo no credit whatsoever. I would respectfully suggest this fellow starts to get a clearer understanding of football in the 21st Century. Perhaps he himself should READ papers and gain a clearer understanding what is happenning in the footballing world. Portsmouth just up the road would be a good start before he dare comment on what other clubs do or don't do. As per a previous comment, that is just 'gutter reporting' and has no place in this paper whatsoever. Would he please make a humble apology in the paper for this totally unwarrented attack on a person who is widely accepted as a total gentleman of the game.
A well thought out post regsue.I thought John bought up some excellent points which i thought about but dare not say anything if you know what i mean.

elvispresleysking says...
7:38pm Mon 15 Feb 10

JasonDart wrote:
whenever I come to the comments all I hear are people whinging. When have the papers said anything worth printing for one - thats all on that subject. Secondly the transfer embargo, the football league has no intention of lifting this ban this season unless we go up, then they might. The debt has been with us some matter of years and will probably be there till the very end. With regards to other managers having their say is, butt out, your comments are not welcome, it would be like me going up to them and asking there personal financial matters, and I am sure that they would tell me (not). And as for Wiggins he wanted to come to Bournemouth to play and thats final, any terms of agreement are irrelevant. So Daggers boss stop whinging, because you have never had our problems our punishments so think yourself extremely lucky. Eddie Howe you are the best manager in the lower league by miles if you look at the backing you have got, good luck, get the boys promoted and show the football league.
How can you tell John Still to stop whinging because they've never had AFCB's problems? Maybe because they've always kept within their budget is the very reason they have never had to deal with embargos!

This highlights the fact that there is very little understanding within the football world about the exact reason AFCB still have an embargo in place and only Eddie Mitchell can change that but he won't will he?

elvispresleysking says...
7:47pm Mon 15 Feb 10

JasonDart wrote:
regsue, Although I agree that the papers, in this case the Echo do not report facts, the beautiful game is the only thing I am interested in, but you cannot honestly say that it is fair despite all our financial problems that we can possibly play the game with just a squad of thirteen players. Winding up and starting again is still not going to make the difference because we would still only have thirteen players. With regards to the Portsmouth fiasco that in itself is a joke they say that the club is 60 million pounds in debt, thats 10 times more than our original debt ( presumably) and they are still allowed to purchase players, but that is a different football association completely, so different rules apparently ( hollow laughter)
For someone who is only interested in the beautilful game you don't seem very informed!

If AFCB were wound up and forced to start again as you suggest they wouldn't have an embargo in place and would be able to start with a full squad compliment!

Portsmouth is a different issue as they haven't yet gone into administration. However they face the fact that the HMRC are going to show them as trading insolvently and therefore, if the high court upholds that, they will automatically be wound up rather than being allowed to go into admin.

Yorkie Cherry says...
8:10pm Mon 15 Feb 10

What are the chances now AFCB getting the £10k next month from Notts County bearing in mind their current predicament?

daveeleven says...
10:02pm Mon 15 Feb 10

JasonDart wrote:
whenever I come to the comments all I hear are people whinging. When have the papers said anything worth printing for one - thats all on that subject. Secondly the transfer embargo, the football league has no intention of lifting this ban this season unless we go up, then they might. The debt has been with us some matter of years and will probably be there till the very end. With regards to other managers having their say is, butt out, your comments are not welcome, it would be like me going up to them and asking there personal financial matters, and I am sure that they would tell me (not). And as for Wiggins he wanted to come to Bournemouth to play and thats final, any terms of agreement are irrelevant. So Daggers boss stop whinging, because you have never had our problems our punishments so think yourself extremely lucky. Eddie Howe you are the best manager in the lower league by miles if you look at the backing you have got, good luck, get the boys promoted and show the football league.
So you accuse people of whinging and in the same sentance go on to whinge about how newspapers have never said anything worth printing? Thanks for that, I enjoyed the laugh. Secondly,you advise the Daggers boss to: "stop whinging, because you have never had our problems our punishments so think yourself extremely lucky."
Why should they think themselves lucky, maybe they pat themselves on the back on a financial job well done and cringe every time they see us moaning about an embargo when they know our Chairman needs next years season ticket money now to keep the club alive.
Thirdly, if it's pointed out to this newspaper they're hypocritical in calling anyone ill-informed because they have an extremely poor record of informing anyone of anything, it's not whinging, it's simply fact.

flyingleaper says...
10:34pm Mon 15 Feb 10

STILL SMILING,GET EM GOING EDDIE,,AAAAAAHHHHHHH
HHHHHH

lymocherry says...
7:03am Tue 16 Feb 10

elvispresleysking wrote:
JasonDart wrote:
regsue, Although I agree that the papers, in this case the Echo do not report facts, the beautiful game is the only thing I am interested in, but you cannot honestly say that it is fair despite all our financial problems that we can possibly play the game with just a squad of thirteen players. Winding up and starting again is still not going to make the difference because we would still only have thirteen players. With regards to the Portsmouth fiasco that in itself is a joke they say that the club is 60 million pounds in debt, thats 10 times more than our original debt ( presumably) and they are still allowed to purchase players, but that is a different football association completely, so different rules apparently ( hollow laughter)
For someone who is only interested in the beautilful game you don't seem very informed!

If AFCB were wound up and forced to start again as you suggest they wouldn't have an embargo in place and would be able to start with a full squad compliment!

Portsmouth is a different issue as they haven't yet gone into administration. However they face the fact that the HMRC are going to show them as trading insolvently and therefore, if the high court upholds that, they will automatically be wound up rather than being allowed to go into admin.
If either club are wound up as you say then they would be thrown out of the league, a phoenix club would have to start again in non-league is that what you really want??

daveeleven says...
7:51am Tue 16 Feb 10

Non-league, with the fans as cusdodians of the club along the lines of FC United wouldn't be such a bad thing and if we're borrowing next years season ticket money to pay this months tax bill you'd better get used to the idea.


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